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Sweet. I'm rooting for Super Sonic.

Huh?

Why aren't my chose's for enhanced Meta there? I thought you approved them?

Originally posted by King Kandy
Huh?

Why aren't my chose's for enhanced Meta there? I thought you approved them?

Post your team here. We'll discuss anything I missed or may have disapproved of.

Herald:

Quasar

Enhanced:

Mimic (Exiles)

Guardian

Meta:

Marvel Boy

M (Monet St. Croix)

Street Level:

Hawkeye

Ultimate Hawkeye
___________________________

No one can stand before the might of ...... TWO HAWKEYES!!!!!

Super Sonic
http://www.summerofsonic.com/articles/29/

Aquaman
http://www.comixfan.com/xfan/forums/showthread.php?t=27035

Sand
http://www.mykey3000.com/cosmicteams/profiles/sandman.html

Cloak
http://marveldirectory.com/individuals/c/cloak.htm

Dagger
http://marveldirectory.com/individuals/d/dagger.htm

Ultimate Captain America

http://www.answers.com/topic/captain-america

Ultimate Spiderman

http://www.answers.com/topic/spiderman

Originally posted by B dot Rob
Super Sonic
http://www.summerofsonic.com/articles/29/

Aquaman
http://www.comixfan.com/xfan/forums/showthread.php?t=27035

Sand
http://www.mykey3000.com/cosmicteams/profiles/sandman.html

Cloak
http://marveldirectory.com/individuals/c/cloak.htm

Dagger
http://marveldirectory.com/individuals/d/dagger.htm

Ultimate Captain America

http://www.answers.com/topic/captain-america

Ultimate Spiderman

http://www.answers.com/topic/spiderman


Ultimate or no Ultimate I don't consider spiderman street at all. The highest strengh level for this category is Batman/Black Panther/ Captain America. "Peak Human". But I'll let you have ultimate captain america because I feel he's just a variation of the 616 character.

-Morg
http://www.classicmarvel.com/cast/morg.htm


-War Machine (Parnell Jacobs)
http://www.classicmarvel.com/cast/war_machine3.htm
-Emma Frost (White Queen)
http://www.classicmarvel.com/cast/emma_frost.htm


-Carnage
http://www.marvel.com/universe/Carnage_%28Cletus_Kasady%29
-Agent X
http://www.marvel.com/universe/Agent_X_%28Nijo%29


-Classic Deathstroke the Terminator (before becoming immortal)
http://www.titanstower.com/source/whoswho/deathstroke.html
-Boba Fett
http://members.shaw.ca/david.p.z.888/star_wars/boba_fett.html

Okay

Iron Fist

http://marveldirectory.com/individuals/i/ironfist.htm

Originally posted by B dot Rob
Okay

Iron Fist

http://marveldirectory.com/individuals/i/ironfist.htm

take a look at roldz team, i was going to choose iron fist as well.

Well there is several different incarnations:

James Hudson:
1) Classic, no cybernetic upgrades
2) Cyborg
3) In AF vol.2 Mac had a 19 year old clone that was created by Department H.

Heather Hudson
1) Classic, used a varation of Mac's old suit

Herald Level:

Protege http://www.imagecomics.com/messageboard/viewtopic.php?p=29371#29371

Enhanced-Meta Level:

The Super-Skrull http://www.marvel.com/universe/Super-Skrull

Temugin http://www.leaderslair.com/marvelvillains/temugin.html

Meta Level:

Fixer http://www.geocities.com/marvel_terror/fixer/fixer.html

Ecstasy http://www.marveldirectory.com/individuals/e/ecstasy.htm

Street Level:.

Deadshot http://www.angelfire.com/ar/hellUSA/Deadshot.htm

Ra's al Ghul http://www.legionsofgotham.org/BIOSrasalghul.html

Ok ... I'll switch out Guardian ... as everyone seems to be agreed that he pushes the limits a tad too far

Oh snap son

Lady Shiva

http://www.legionsofgotham.org/BIOSladyshiva.html


btw

Everyone's fears has been confirmed

Sonic Adventure 2 is canon to the archie universe

Here's a complete power/abilities for Guardian:

http://alphanex.alphaflight.net/index.php/Guardian_I

Originally posted by King_Mungi
Well there is several different incarnations:

James Hudson:
1) Classic, no cybernetic upgrades
2) Cyborg
3) In AF vol.2 Mac had a 19 year old clone that was created by Department H.

Heather Hudson
1) Classic, used a varation of Mac's old suit

wow you really know guardian

Originally posted by Loot
wow you really know guardian

Of course, I made the respect thread for him

Guardian: http://www.killermovies.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=422871&perpage=20&pagenumber=1

A couple of the teams still have no female members.

Hmm I think I'm going to switch out

Dagger

for

Swift

http://www.fortunecity.com/tatooine/spielberg/97/character.html

seeing that Dagger's likely to get in the way of Lady Shiva, Captain A, Aquaman, and Super Sonic from using more brutal tactics

Originally posted by Evangel94
But I'll let you have ultimate captain america because I feel he's just a variation of the 616 character.

His fights against Ult Hulk and Ult Giant-Man suggest otherwise.

Originally posted by King_Mungi
Well there is several different incarnations:

James Hudson:
1) Classic, no cybernetic upgrades
2) Cyborg
3) In AF vol.2 Mac had a 19 year old clone that was created by Department H.

Heather Hudson
1) Classic, used a varation of Mac's old suit

Either option 1 (Mac or Heather) Should be OK.

Cap could trash Ult Giantman just like how Ult Cap did, any decent MA could. And what a kick to the balls is supposed to make him Meta now? A kick in the nuts is a kick in the nuts, not even Superman would shrug one of those off :P.

You make it seem like 616 Cap hasn't fought Ult Hulk level foes like that before

Wait

616 Cap beat the piss out of Spiderman

oh snap 616 Cap = Meta

Originally posted by Scoobless
___________________________

No one can stand before the might of ...... TWO HAWKEYES!!!!!




... 1 squirrel girl equals 2 hawkeyes beaten to death by squirrels.

It's not like there's a shortage of Cap's out there. How about Protocyde, or Red Gaurdian, or one of the Bradleys?

OMG stop bitching

Herald level: Apocalypse http://www.marvel.com/universe/Apoc...En_Sabah_Nur%29

Enhanced Meta level: Violator & Omega Red (W/e Carbonadium synthesizer) http://www.internationalhero.co.uk/v/violator.htm
http://www.marveldirectory.com/indi.../o/omegared.htm

Meta: Death Gambit (Horseman version) & Venom (Mac Gargan).
http://www.marvel.com/universe/Venom
http://www.marvel.com/universe/Gambit

Street level picks: Crossbones & Prometheus (DC comics character, not Marvel one).

http://www.marvel.com/universe/Crossbones
http://www.answers.com/topic/prometheus-comics

Originally posted by TricksterPriest
Herald level: Apocalypse http://www.marvel.com/universe/Apoc...En_Sabah_Nur%29

Enhanced Meta level: Violator & Omega Red (W/e Carbonadium synthesizer) http://www.internationalhero.co.uk/v/violator.htm
http://www.marveldirectory.com/indi.../o/omegared.htm

Meta: Death Gambit (Horseman version) & Venom (Mac Gargan).
http://www.marvel.com/universe/Venom
http://www.marvel.com/universe/Gambit

Street level picks: Crossbones & Prometheus (DC comics character, not Marvel one).

http://www.marvel.com/universe/Crossbones
http://www.answers.com/topic/prometheus-comics

You need a female character.

Originally posted by TricksterPriest

Omega Red (W/e Carbonadium synthesizer)
http://www.marveldirectory.com/indivuduals/o/omegared.htm



This should work.

My team is

Black Bolt

Sasqautch

Colossus

Mr. Fantastic

Madam Medusa

Captain America

and if I don't get Black Panther then

Puck

I'll have the links later.

I thought about it. And I came up with She-Venom. Venom's powers, female body. http://www.answers.com/topic/she-venom



Here's a better link for Omega Red. http://www.answers.com/topic/omega-red The carbonadium synthesizer is a device Omega Red needs so he doesn't have to constantly drain people to stay alive. It allows him to synthesize carbonadium and stabilize his powers. Without it, the poisoning effects of the carbonadium force him to periodically drain people to stay alive. Years ago, Wolverine, Sabertooth, and Maverick stole the device and hid it somewhere. Now Omega Red is looking for it, which is why he keeps coming after Wolverine, Maverick and Sabertooth. And currently, he's tracked down Maverick (A.K.A. Agent Zero) because only Maverick knows where the device is.

Puck is not street level

Well if you go by peak human levels, than classic Puck is fine.

Is it just me or does Quicksilver seem like he should be in a class above Spider-Man?

It's just you.

Quicksilver would own Spider-Man .... he's in the wrong group

Yeah sure

It's She-venom now, damn feminist affirmative action..... and Evangel switched the cap for Meta to Venom instead of Spidey. So tough shit.

Originally posted by TricksterPriest
It's She-venom now, damn feminist affirmative action..... and Evangel switched the cap for Meta to Venom instead of Spidey. So tough shit.

you have she-venom instead of whom?

Venom. Scoobless pointed out that I needed a chick, so I picked up She-Venom instead of regular Venom. Basically the same character, just different gender. Though, I may switch back to regular venom if my Death Gambit gets nixed.

Cloak bores me


this team needs more

Elijah Snow

http://home.earthlink.net/~rkkman/frames/charpage/ChrSnow.htm

who given the lack of OHK's should be well within limits

what are his powers?

StarsNeverFall7
-Thor
-Cable (with TO virus)
-Iceman
-Spiderman
-Deadpool
-Batman
-Batgirl

I think im pretty set on my choosing here. Don't see much reason to change.

Originally posted by Loot
what are his powers?

Heat subtraction

Originally posted by StarsNeverFall7
StarsNeverFall7
-Thor
-Cable (with TO virus)
-Iceman
-Spiderman
-Deadpool
-Batman
-Batgirl

I think im pretty set on my choosing here. Don't see much reason to change.

if your battlefield is in antarctida, your going to have a huge advantage, it happend to me once

Originally posted by B dot Rob
Not really, I just know how his powers work a lot better and am trying to put together a team that'll kill and when I think of a character with Sand's powerset that'll kill he's gone too.

Terra #1

Terra #1 doesn't have the invulnerablity to physical damage that Sand has.

Herald

The Fallen One

Enhanced

Iron Man (pre-extremis) http://marvel.com/universe/Iron_Man_%28Anthony_Stark%29

Atlas http://marvel.com/universe/Atlas_%28Erik_Josten%29

Meta

Luke Cage (New Avengers) http://marvel.com/universe/Cage%2C_Luke

Black Panther (Current) http://marvel.com/universe/Black_Panther_%28T%27Challa%29

Street

Baron Zemo (Helmut) http://marvel.com/universe/Baron_Zemo_%28Helmut_Zemo%29

Black Widow (Ultimate) http://marvel.com/universe/Black_Widow_%28Ultimate%29

dude, is this Zemo, with, or without the moonstones? Moonstones put him almost on Meta, maybe slightly above Meta.

Originally posted by TricksterPriest
dude, is this Zemo, with, or without the moonstones? Moonstones put him almost on Meta, maybe slightly above Meta.

You kidding? with 2 Moonstones he's easily in Herald territory

That high? Damn dude. Well, current version has him stranded in the middle ages minus the stones. I had to ask about the stones, just to be sure.

Originally posted by Scoobless
Herald:

Quasar

Enhanced:

Mimic (Exiles)

Guardian

Meta:

Marvel Boy

M (Monet St. Croix)

Street Level:

Hawkeye

Ultimate Hawkeye


Switch Guardian for Pulsar (Captain Marvel)

After all the fuss people made about Death Gambit being an OHK, nobody's going to object? Well, I'm grateful. It also seems Apoc gets to stay. Oh yeah, I'm rocking now.

Crap. I read up on the Venom Respect threads. Now I have a dilemma. I want to switch back to regular Venom again, but I still need a female. DAMN AFFIRMATIVE ACTION! incidently, I heard Eddie Brock had access to other powers that the other venom hosts didn't get, like the ability to project the symbiote as a shield to stop bullets, etc. is that true?

I think Jubilee is still up for grabs ...

Talked to Howard Jones. And decided that I want Eddie Brock Venom. As for my female pick, Do I have to?

Originally posted by TricksterPriest
Talked to Howard Jones. And decided that I want Eddie Brock Venom. As for my female pick, Do I have to?

Yes.

So should we just make a list of the characters we feel may be overly powered for the class that they are in or something?

Originally posted by Scoobless
So should we just make a list of the characters we feel may be overly powered for the class that they are in or something?

Only for the characters that are currently chosen by people, and list a reason why next to each name.

After much consideration, I'm replacing Crossbones with Domino.
http://marvel.com/universe/Domino_%28Neena_Thurman%29

Originally posted by Evangel94
Only for the characters that are currently chosen by people, and list a reason why next to each name.

Yeah, that's what I meant..... here goes (prepares himself to be pelted with rocks from the other participants)



Enhanced:

Temugin - Mandarin's rings have always kept him well above Iron Man in terms of power ... has a ring that disintegrates matter and one that can manipulate matter

Violator - seems to be completely invulnerable

Meta:

Vixen - Far outweighs Spider-Man in powerset .... Spider-Man's powers are only a fraction of her overall abilities

Quicksilver - would pound Spider-Man into pulp inside 20 seconds

Omega Red - can drain life force

Mr Fantastic - virtually invulnerable ... should be in Enhanced Meta class

Street:

Prometheus - fine if we trim off the Superboy owning weaponry

Gambit (Death) - OHK with that poison thing

Classic Deathstroke - If the same as current is too strong for street level/immortal

Baron Zemo - he's fine if he doesn't have the moonstones

Gamora - Beyond Captain America level strength/durability

Ultimate Spider-Man - way too powerful for street

Ultimate Captain America - most KMCers agree that he's far stronger/more durable than regular Cap (has caught a large tree before)




waits for the backlash.....

whistling

Lol. I have 3 of these guys on my team. Let's start with the ugly one, Violator. All you have to do is rip him apart enough and blast the remains, and he goes back to hell. If you're not going to ban Spawn, you're sure as hell not going to mess with Violator. Yes, he's ****ing tough and damn hard to kill. But so's Spawn, who is a hell of a lot worse. So lay off the clown.

Omega Red is a pretty tough customer, but there are tougher guys who got picked for enhanced meta, and you should be more concerned with my giving him the carbonadium synthesizer. I don't see a problem, he's beatable and he has been beaten.

Prometheus, ok, that one is somewhat reasonable. Nerf some of his shit, but let him keep the 30+ martial artist's battle data. I'd like to have a chance of winning this.

Death Gambit is meta, first off. And there are ways to use him without OHKing people.


No, the question you should be asking is, WHY THE **** DO I HAVE DOMINO?! WHAT IS WRONG WITH YOU PEOPLE?! Am I the only one in shock that no one has contested that? IT'S ****ING DOMINO! That ***** can pretty guarantee my winning this tournament. Incidently, if no one is objecting, I'm taking AOA version of her. Gotta make sure she takes orders from Apoc.

Re:Temugin
I stipulated up front when I drafted him that certain uses of the rings would be prohibited by the rules. As far as being "above" Iron-Man, I'd argue that he's not. He whupped IM good in their first fight, but I'd call that a clear case of PIS/Jobbing. IM forgot half his powers and got creamed for it. They were a more even match the second time around.

Originally posted by TricksterPriest
No, the question you should be asking is, WHY THE **** DO I HAVE DOMINO?! WHAT IS WRONG WITH YOU PEOPLE?! Am I the only one in shock that no one has contested that? IT'S ****ING DOMINO! That ***** can pretty guarantee my winning this tournament. Incidently, if no one is objecting, I'm taking AOA version of her. Gotta make sure she takes orders from Apoc.

You posted that while I was working on my list



Yeah .... Domino should be banned ... the only reason I didn't pick Longshot is that I presumed Luck powers wouldn't be allowed as there is really no way to account for them on either side of a tourney debate.

Finally, someone gets it. I looked over the list and saw the loophole. With Domino or Longshot on your side, you can't lose with good planning. It's almost as bad as having Franklin Richards.

Black Bolt (http://www.marveldirectory.com/individuals/b/blackbolt.htm)

Colossus (http://www.marveldirectory.com/individuals/c/colossus.htm)

Sasqautch (http://www.marveldirectory.com/individuals/s/sasquatch.htm)

Mr. Fantastic (http://www.marveldirectory.com/individuals/m/mrfantastic.htm)

Madam Medusa (http://www.marveldirectory.com/individuals/m/medusa.htm)

Puck (http://www.marvel.com/universe/Puck_(Eugene_Judd) )

Captain America (http://www.marveldirectory.com/individuals/c/captainamerica.htm)

My enhanced Meta Characters are

Erica:http://www.geocities.com/jhaeman/Comics/spellbo.html
Mar-Vell:http://www.marvel.com/universe/Captain_Marvel_(Mar-Vell)

Originally posted by King Kandy
My enhanced Meta Characters are

Erica:http://www.geocities.com/jhaeman/Comics/spellbo.html
Mar-Vell:http://www.marvel.com/universe/Captain_Marvel_(Mar-Vell)

Do us a favour and post your whole team at the same time ... makes this part a lot easier.

I've got no problem with Quicksilver or Mr. Fantastic in Meta. Pietro should maybe be held back to his pre-90's levels. (Did any mutants escape the 90's without a stupid powerup? Remember when Cyclops's beam was weaker with his visor off? :sigh

Domino has powers? Shows ya what I know.

Is Vixen more powerful than Spidey, or just more versatile? Also, she gets her powers from an item doesn't she? Could that be taken away from her?

Ult Cap, Ult Spidey, and 70's Gamora are all definitely above Street.

Spawn can do things that break the rules, but is we simply say "He's not allowed to do that." He should be OK. He could have just as easily been a herald pick, but as he's an E-meta pick, his powers need to be within that range (Which, if fairness, they have been at some points in his career).

Herald Choice

Basic Genis-Vell:http://marvelite.prohosting.com/surfer/cmarvel/genis-vell.html

Enhance Meta Choices

Erica:http://www.geocities.com/jhaeman/Comics/spellbo.html
Mar-Vell:http://www.marvel.com/universe/Captain_Marvel_(Mar-Vell)

Meta Choices

Beast:http://www.uncannyxmen.net/db/spotlight/showquestion.asp?faq=10&fldAuto=57
Titania:http://www.geocities.com/Hollywood/2855/titania.html

Street Leveler

Daredevil:http://www.marveldirectory.com/individuals/d/daredevil.htm
Rorshach:http://stripteasecomic.com/stuff/specials/watchmen3.htm

Titania is stronger than She Hulk ... she's easily an enhanced meta level character

Originally posted by Scoobless
Titania is stronger than She Hulk ... she's easily an enhanced meta level character
For one, She-Hulk is Class 100, Titania is class 90...

Two, a criteria for Meta was that "Spider-Man could beat them". And he can most certainly beat Titania.

Originally posted by King Kandy
For one, She-Hulk is Class 100, Titania is class 90...

Two, a criteria for Meta was that "Spider-Man could beat them". And he can most certainly beat Titania.

Spider-Man has fought and beaten people way out of his power league.... go back and see why we aren't allowed to draft Firelord ... same thing here.

And Titania is on a par with She Hulk (used to be stronger but She Hulk's strength has increased since then)

http://img149.imageshack.us/img149/7335/thunderstrike1608wz2.th.jpg http://img166.imageshack.us/img166/805/thunderstrike1615vq9.th.jpg

Spider-Man vs. Firelord wasn't just PIS, it was so PISy that it has a category all it's own. SMvFL.

Spider-Man vs. Titania is neither of those things.

I'm with Kandy. Titania is tough, but not the best fighter in the marvel-verse, and she is beatable by Spidey, mainly because he can just wear her down and dodge her attacks.

lightbulb I finally came up with someone to fulfill the female requirement, Nyssa Raatko. Also known as Nyssa Al Ghul, daughter and successor of Ra's Al Ghul.

http://www.search.com/reference/Nyssa_Raatko

You're seroiusly trying to put someone stronger than Iron Man in the Spider-Man power class

SPider-Man was able to beat her...

She only beat She-Hulk with assistence from something like five other villains.

True. Titania is far too high level to be near Spidey's class. But dude, Titania's power is lowered to Meta levels according to Evangel's rules. So let him cheat if he wants, the rules will come back to bite him in the ass.

Btw, someone give me props for pulling out an all villain team. And for remembering Nyssa Al Ghul and finding her in less than 5 minutes of looking for a female villain at street level who wasn't taken.

King, Evangel said Erica the Spellbinder was herald level (though admittedly inexperienced) the first time you brought her up.

I am impressed though that somebody besides myself remembers that comic. It was good.

Thinking more about this, ive come to the conclusion im going to get owned in this tournament, should atleast be fun though...

Originally posted by StarsNeverFall7
Thinking more about this, ive come to the conclusion im going to get owned in this tournament, should atleast be fun though...

with thor iceman and cable? even if you loose you will certainly not be own

Originally posted by Laminator_X
King, Evangel said Erica the Spellbinder was herald level (though admittedly inexperienced) the first time you brought her up.

I am impressed though that somebody besides myself remembers that comic. It was good.
All of her highest feats use the conversion rings.

In this ternament, she would be functioning purely under her own power.

Originally posted by TricksterPriest
But dude, Titania's power is lowered to Meta levels according to Evangel's rules. So let him cheat if he wants, the rules will come back to bite him in the ass.

It's not cheating, it's "Playing the system"

And I'm not evil, I'm "Morally Challenged"

You know King, your team could work like this:

Herald: Erica Fortune-Spellbinder
E-Meta: Mar and Genis-Vell (Genis at his Nicieza series/Legacy power level)
Meta: Beast, Man-killer (essentially a weaker Titannia)
Street: Daredevil, Rorshach

Though if it were me, I'd sub the Question for Rorshach. R may be cooler, ? is a way better fighter (in addition to being the original).

Why am I helping you? Because if you hadn't put up that Erica link, I'd never have known how her story ended all these years later.

oh no scoob...you very well know that Pulsar is easily Herald Level. There's no way that you can have Quasar and Pulsar on the same team.

Here's a question: Does anything persist between fights? Ammo? Healing? Knowledge?

Do Taskmaster, Batgirl, and Protege get to retain things they've "learned?" I think you should all want the answer to be "No" here, else you'd best hope I get knocked out in round one, and that's what I'm expecting it to be. I just wanted to throw it out there on the table, since it hadn't been specifically addressed.

Originally posted by Laminator_X
You know King, your team could work like this:

Herald: Erica Fortune-Spellbinder
E-Meta: Mar and Genis-Vell (Genis at his Nicieza series/Legacy power level)
Meta: Beast, Man-killer (essentially a weaker Titannia)
Street: Daredevil, Rorshach

Though if it were me, I'd sub the Question for Rorshach. R may be cooler, ? is a way better fighter (in addition to being the original).

Why am I helping you? Because if you hadn't put up that Erica link, I'd never have known how her story ended all these years later.
You know, I agree.

I'll switch my herald and E-Meta class like you suggested.

I'll check out question.

But I'm still persisting in my view that Titania can go in Meta-Class.

Herald: Pulsar
http://www.marvel.com/universe/Rambeau,_Monica

E.Meta: Mimic, and Prysm
http://www.uncannyxmen.net/db/chara...asp?fldAuto=712
http://www.titanstower.com/source/whoswho/prysm.html

Meta:Vixen, Meltdown
http://www.uncannyxmen.net/db/characters/showquestion.asp?fldAuto=698
http://www.answers.com/topic/vixen-comics

Street:Echo, Ravenger
http://www.marvel.com/universe/Echo_(Maya_Lopez)
http://www.titanstower.com/source/whoswho/rose.html

So you're using the Legacy version of Genis now?

Originally posted by stormfront13
Herald: Pulsar
http://www.marvel.com/universe/Rambeau,_Monica

E.Meta: Mimic, and Prysm
http://www.uncannyxmen.net/db/chara...asp?fldAuto=712
http://www.titanstower.com/source/whoswho/prysm.html

Meta:Vixen, Meltdown
http://www.uncannyxmen.net/db/characters/showquestion.asp?fldAuto=698
http://www.answers.com/topic/vixen-comics

Street:Echo, Ravenger
http://www.marvel.com/universe/Echo_(Maya_Lopez)
http://www.titanstower.com/source/whoswho/rose.html

You can't use Pulsar when she's still officially on my team.



And how strong is this Ravenger chick?

Originally posted by Scoobless
You can't use Pulsar when she's still officially on my team.



And how strong is this Ravenger chick?

c'mon, we both know her being on the enhanced meta level will never fly with anyone participating in the tourney

Hmmm. Good question. This question of continuity needs to be addressed post-haste.

Does anybody know how strong Ravenger is?

Originally posted by Scoobless
Does anybody know how strong Ravenger is?

she's just a little under the 1 ton range

Frankly, I'm not quite sure. Potentially, she's pretty damn good, but she seems too green to be going against some of the other street leverers.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rose_Wilson

Though that precognitive shit should be disallowed. Too much room to plan from that.

why is she such a big deal? many of the characters here have some sort of precognative ability, letting them predict a persons next move/know their next move

Yeah, but not astral projection and the ability to read the future of other people. I think it's an unfair advantage.

Originally posted by TricksterPriest
Yeah, but not astral projection and the ability to read the future of other people. I think it's an unfair advantage.

Where do you get astral Projectrion from?

http://www.titanstower.com/source/whoswho/rose.html

Read the section on her powers.

Originally posted by TricksterPriest
http://www.titanstower.com/source/whoswho/rose.html

Read the section on her powers.

Yeah on one occasion

Tony Stark's FINAL TEAM



Herald

The SENTRY http://marvel.com/universe/Sentry_%28Robert_Reynolds%29

Enhanced

Iron Man (pre-extremis) http://marvel.com/universe/Iron_Man_%28Anthony_Stark%29

Atlas http://marvel.com/universe/Atlas_%28Erik_Josten%29

Meta

Luke Cage (New Avengers) http://marvel.com/universe/Cage%2C_Luke

Black Panther (Current) http://marvel.com/universe/Black_Pa...28T%27Challa%29

Street

Baron Zemo (Helmut) http://marvel.com/universe/Baron_Zemo_%28Helmut_Zemo%29

Black Widow (Ultimate) http://marvel.com/universe/Black_Widow_%28Ultimate%29

Originally posted by Scoobless
Does anybody know how strong Ravenger is?

She gave Cassie (sp?) Cane a run for her money, and has alot of potential with her power set.

Originally posted by SpunkySmurph
She gave Cassie (sp?) Cane a run for her money, and has alot of potential with her power set.

So she's not street level then ... ?

Originally posted by Tony Stark
The SENTRY http://marvel.com/universe/Sentry_%28Robert_Reynolds%29


Sentry does not have enough feats for a tourney ... his power limits have never been tested and he, apparently, stalemated Galactus.

Originally posted by Scoobless
So she's not street level then ... ?

no, she's street Level, she's just like Cap America with the ability to know a persons next move

Sentry is somewhat bullshit, because you potentially also get the powers of his void personality.

yeah, sentry is too undefined

Originally posted by stormfront13
no, she's street Level, she's just like Cap America with the ability to know a persons next move

That means she's not street.

Originally posted by Scoobless
That means she's not street.

Because...?

Because she has superpowers

Originally posted by Scoobless
Because she has superpowers

and? there are multiple others who also do

Like who?

Originally posted by Scoobless
Like who?

batgirl, karnak, Taskmaster to name a few. they all have the same ability as Ravanger, except hers is just a bit more precise. Ev never said that there were absolutley no powers to be a street leveler

Originally posted by stormfront13
batgirl, karnak, Taskmaster to name a few. they all have the same ability as Ravanger, except hers is just a bit more precise. Ev never said that there were absolutley no powers to be a street leveler

Taskmaster has no powers, Karnak sort of does ... don't know much about Batgirl.... neither Taskmaster nor Karnak can see the future though.

Originally posted by Scoobless
Sentry does not have enough feats for a tourney ... his power limits have never been tested and he, apparently, stalemated Galactus.





I disagree he has more in comic feats than many on others lists and per his info http://marvel.com/universe/Sentry_%28Robert_Reynolds%29 MARVEL says he's in SS's class which is why he's perfect for the Herald level. The Galactus thing is at this time is just talk and unproven... But btw so did Dazzler.

Originally posted by Scoobless
Taskmaster has no powers, Karnak sort of does ... don't know much about Batgirl.... neither Taskmaster nor Karnak can see the future though

taskmaster has that whole predict your opponents moves, and duplicate them, as does Batgirl. Ravangers just happens to be a little bit more precise than theirs. that in no way puts her above Street Level. also, roses's precognative isn't super powerful, she mainly uses it to see her oponnents next move

Originally posted by Tony Stark
The Galactus thing is at this time is just talk and unproven... But btw so did Dazzler.




um...actually your wrong. Dazzler never even fought Galactus, he was just impressed with her powers and powered her up to become a herald, and look for his missing ones.

Originally posted by stormfront13
taskmaster has that whole predict your opponents moves, and duplicate them, as does Batgirl. Ravangers just happens to be a little bit more precise than theirs. that in no way puts her above Street Level. also, roses's precognative isn't super powerful, she mainly uses it to see her oponnents next move

Taskmaster has no powers, he's just very skilled and uses his perfect memory to work out what the opponent is most likely to do.

Originally posted by Tony Stark
I disagree he has more in comic feats than many on others lists and per his info http://marvel.com/universe/Sentry_%28Robert_Reynolds%29 MARVEL says he's in SS's class which is why he's perfect for the Herald level.

"it is nonetheless conceivable that Sentry's powers are limitless, and may even rival those of the Silver Surfer's and Phoenix's. In effect, the Sentry's powers are seemingly limitless"

"Conceivable" "may" "seemingly" ... it's all guesswork ... the guy is very possibly above Herald level

STORM, THAT'S PHOTOGRAPHIC REFLEXES FOR TASKMASTER, NOT SUPER POWERS! Cassandra Cain (Batgirl) has been taught from birth to be able to read people's body language and anticipate their movements based on her martial arts training and observations. AGAIN, NOT A SUPER POWER. Rose has a precognitive ability to anticipate attacks not based on any movements but on actual prescience and seeing the future. This is an actual super power. Thus, Ravager must either be nerfed, or kicked. I rest my case.

Originally posted by Scoobless
Taskmaster has no powers, he's just very skilled and uses his perfect memory to work out what the opponent is most likely to do.

and? that is what Ravanger does, except she has powers that do it for her

Originally posted by TricksterPriest
STORM, THAT'S PHOTOGRAPHIC REFLEXES FOR TASKMASTER, NOT SUPER POWERS! Cassandra Cain (Batgirl) has been taught from birth to be able to read people's body language and anticipate their movements based on her martial arts training and observations. AGAIN, NOT A SUPER POWER. Rose has a precognitive ability to anticipate attacks not based on any movements but on actual prescience and seeing the future. This is an actual super power. Thus, Ravager must either be nerfed, or kicked. I rest my case.

your missing the point, they all do the same thing, except Ravanger just happens to have a power to do the work for her.

Originally posted by stormfront13
your missing the point, they all do the same thing, except Ravanger just happens to have a power to do the work for her.

No, you're missing the point, they don't have super powers, she does = she is not street level

No, you missed the point, and you just shot yourself in the foot. You admitted her powers give her preternatural advantage. Thus a superpower. Street is defined as no or limited super powers.


Edit: Damn it scoob. You beat me to it.

Originally posted by Scoobless
No, you're missing the point, they don't have super powers, she does = she is not street level

so you want her banned because everyone does what she does, except she just has a super power to do it? that is unfair and ridiclous

Originally posted by TricksterPriest
No, you missed the point, and you just shot yourself in the foot. You admitted her powers give her preternatural advantage. Thus a superpower. Street is defined as no or limited super powers.


Edit: Damn it scoob. You beat me to it.

1) it's not an advamntage if everyone else can do it

2) they are limited super powers, hence by your reasoning, street level

Originally posted by stormfront13
so you want her banned because everyone does what she does, except she just has a super power to do it? that is unfair and ridiclous

I want her moved into the correct catagory.

You wanting super powered people in the non-super powered persons catagory is unfair and ridiculous.

Originally posted by Scoobless
I want her moved into the correct catagory.

You wanting super powered people in the non-super powered persons catagory is unfair and ridiculous.

1) She's in the correct Category

2) Street doesn't mean absolutley no powers

neway, i'm out for the night, but i'm going to leave saying this. there are powered people in the Street Tourney, and Roses's powers give her no advantage over people, so what's all the complaining about?

The "street tourney" was for people up to Venom ... which is Meta in this tourney.

In this tourney "street" = no powers

It's really not a difficult concept to grasp.

you have two choices storm. you can either drop her, or keep her in street minus her precognitive power. You're gonna have to fight everyone in this tournament, because we're not gonna let you cheat by trying to sneak a meta level character in as a street level character.

The complaining is about the advantages her power gives her, and if your mind is too limited to think of why her abilities are meta level, then that's your problem. The rest of us see it quite clearly.

Originally posted by Scoobless
Taskmaster has no powers, he's just very skilled and uses his perfect memory to work out what the opponent is most likely to do.



"it is nonetheless conceivable that Sentry's powers are limitless, and may even rival those of the Silver Surfer's and Phoenix's. In effect, the Sentry's powers are seemingly limitless"

"Conceivable" "may" "seemingly" ... it's all guesswork ... the guy is very possibly above Herald level






He hasn't been shown to be above a herald level so far... And who knows "maybe" Kitty Pride in 2007 will be explained to be the Beyonder's twin sister and that she also shares all of his vast power. Who knows "possibly".

I guess having your own comic...Being a member of The New Avengers... Along with fighting along the side of the FF, X-Men, The HULK...etc. Doesn't garner you enough legitimacy for this tourney.

Here's my Pick;
Herald level
Superman Red/Blue

Enhanced Meta Level
Dane
Grail

Meta
Backlash
Havok

Street
Iron Fist
Zealot

Sorta off topic, but Typhus made Boba Fett a pick as street level. But he's more likely meta due to his technology. Can we get a ruling on that?