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Putting decorations on the Christmas tree this year I began thinking. My views on life have drastically changed in the past few years. I used to be a Christian in the truest sense of the word. I accepted the teaching of the Catholic Church, did good deeds whenever I could in the name of Christ, prayed, went to church on a regular basis, etc. Approaching the end of high school, however, my views began to change, making me more of what I like to call an Ethical Hedonist.

Anyway, the point of this thread. What has Christmas become? Has it become so secular and commercialized that someone who used to be a Christian but has complete rejected everything that he was taught can still enjoy the holiday?

Has Christ simply been "X"ed out of the holiday?

What religion/set of values do you follow and do you celebrate Christmas?

I'm a bit of an agnostic and I still celebrate the birth of Christ. I have to celebrate Hanukkah on the fifteenth and then Christmas on the twenty-fourth.

I celebrate christmas because of tradition. But I can't help but feel sorry for those people who have their birthday on nearly the same day. It must be aweful for them to get birthday presents and christmas presents.

It depends on whether Christ is "X"ed out of the holiday. Everyone who celebrates the holiday has heard of Christ and knows of Christ, they associated christmas with Christ and so on. So I say no, he hasn't been "X"ed out of the holiday. He's just not the main theme.

Originally posted by Marxman
Putting decorations on the Christmas tree this year I began thinking. My views on life have drastically changed in the past few years. I used to be a Christian in the truest sense of the word. I accepted the teaching of the Catholic Church, did good deeds whenever I could in the name of Christ, prayed, went to church on a regular basis, etc. Approaching the end of high school, however, my views began to change, making me more of what I like to call an Ethical Hedonist.

Anyway, the point of this thread. What has Christmas become? Has it become so secular and commercialized that someone who used to be a Christian but has complete rejected everything that he was taught can still enjoy the holiday?

Has Christ simply been "X"ed out of the holiday?

What religion/set of values do you follow and do you celebrate Christmas?

Christmas in the West has become commercianalised. That is because West has a Capitalist consumer orientated culture, which demands that urge to consume must be exploited to its fullest.

You have two options - you can celebrate Christmas as a tradition, holiday, and admire its sagnificance to the people today and the ancients (before and after Christ), or you can buy into the consumer shite, spend the money you saved all year on Christmas presents, eat and drink yourself stupid and treat it as a day off.

There is no wrong answer. It is just how you feel like spending Christmas.

At the end of the day - we made Christmas what it is today.

Originally posted by lil bitchiness
Christmas in the West has become commercianalised. That is because West has a Capitalist consumer orientated culture, which demands that urge to consume must be exploited to its fullest.

You have two options - you can celebrate Christmas as a tradition, holiday, and admire its sagnificance to the people today and the ancients (before and after Christ), or you can buy into the consumer shite, spend the money you saved all year on Christmas presents, eat and drink yourself stupid and treat it as a day off.

There is no wrong answer. It is just how you feel like spending Christmas.

At the end of the day - we made Christmas what it is today.

Haha, one can read some bias in that post. Cute.

Christmas for me is a time to enjoy the people you care about, spend time with them and enjoy the good things in your life, whatever that may be.

Originally posted by Bardock42
Haha, one can read some bias in that post. Cute.


I celebrate New Year's Eve and that is the time Santa (my mom) buys me presents. While it is the most important eve in December for ME, I tend not to get myself ridiculously drunk, fall all over the place then blame consumerism for my incompetence.

I don't celebrate Christmas - 25th is the best day to earn money I so desperately need for my tuition fees, and i particularly despise binge drinking morons, who take any opportunity to get drunk then justify it by saying how ''it is Christmas'' which was somehow supposed to excuse their behaviour.

That is the same low class group who saves money all year around to buy unnecessary shite for ''Chrstmas'' and spent the leftovers on alcohol.
Classy!

So yeah, im bias !

Originally posted by BackFire
Christmas for me is a time to enjoy the people you care about, spend time with them and enjoy the good things in your life, whatever that may be.

Same. I think of it as a ceremony of rejoice. It started with the rejoice of Christ.

Originally posted by BackFire
Christmas for me is a time to enjoy the people you care about, spend time with them and enjoy the good things in your life, whatever that may be.

I love you. <3

Originally posted by Dusty
Same. I think of it as a ceremony of rejoice. It started with the rejoice of Christ.

Indeed. It should be fun and happy. Whatever it started as, it has held its tradition (or tried to). Which is great!

I do not like people who use celebrations like this to be stupid.

Originally posted by lil bitchiness
I celebrate New Year's Eve and that is the time Santa (my mom) buys me presents. While it is the most important eve in December for ME, I tend not to get myself ridiculously drunk, fall all over the place then blame consumerism for my incompetence.

I don't celebrate Christmas - 25th is the best day to earn money I so desperately need for my tuition fees, and i particularly despise binge drinking morons, who take any opportunity to get drunk then justify it by saying how ''it is Christmas'' which was somehow supposed to excuse their behaviour.

That is the same low class group who saves money all year around to buy unnecessary shite for ''Chrstmas'' and spent the leftovers on alcohol.
Classy!

So yeah, im bias !

And rightfully so.

Originally posted by lil bitchiness
I love you. <3

Then get naked! Like I said, tis the season to enjoy things I love, and I love few things more than a naked lil.

Bardock, keep your german pole in those devil pants, you monster, you.

I totally agree except me and my family drink a lot. I have Irish blood so we tend to drink when the family gets together. However, my family hardly buys into the commercialism of the holiday. We have a kid grab bag to make sure every child in the family gets a gift. We buy presents and all that like everyone else but since most of my family is working class we don't spend too much.

Although I'd rather smoke a jay than drink a beer why is it "moronic" to drink during the holidays?

Originally posted by BackFire
Then get naked! Like I said, tis the season to enjoy things I love, and I love few things more than a naked lil.

Bardock, keep your german pole in those devil pants, you monster, you.

But she is so tempting weep

Okay, since it's also the season to share, you can have sloppy seconds.

Originally posted by BackFire
Okay, since it's also the season to share, you can have sloppy seconds.

Awesome.

You know...The Punisher was an excellent movie.

I enjoyed it. I'm looking forward to the sequel.

Originally posted by Marxman
Has Christ simply been "X"ed out of the holiday?


Yep.


Originally posted by Marxman
What religion/set of values do you follow and do you celebrate Christmas?


I try to follow Christian ones - but I must admit I've gotten pretty caught up with the whole commercialized process as much as any other.
Still - I did explain to my child that the holiday was really about the birth of Jesus - and that Santa Claus was a good man who tried to follow God's will. And he definitely knows that those gifts are comming from me(and Christ) - not Santa(After all I work hard for my money..and God worked hard to get me my job so I can make the money..He..He..)

Originally posted by BackFire
I enjoyed it. I'm looking forward to the sequel.

Me, too, one of the better Comic movies.

Anyways, Christmas. Well, I like presents. That I get them on the 24th is of no matter to me.

My family still celebrates, so I do with them. Its not really religous though...its about food and family. Which I like.

Honestly, December should just be global party month to celebrate the New Year.

how really really well put BF, excellent work buddy

wewt! my first topic made 2 pages!

*happy tears*

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Originally posted by Alliance
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Originally posted by Marxman
Putting decorations on the Christmas tree this year I began thinking. My views on life have drastically changed in the past few years. I used to be a Christian in the truest sense of the word. I accepted the teaching of the Catholic Church, did good deeds whenever I could in the name of Christ, prayed, went to church on a regular basis, etc. Approaching the end of high school, however, my views began to change, making me more of what I like to call an Ethical Hedonist.

Anyway, the point of this thread. What has Christmas become? Has it become so secular and commercialized that someone who used to be a Christian but has complete rejected everything that he was taught can still enjoy the holiday?

Has Christ simply been "X"ed out of the holiday?

What religion/set of values do you follow and do you celebrate Christmas? Well Christ was simply "X"ed in to this holiday in the first place. It is not a christian holiday. But, I like the lights, and the snow and the lights and the lights. And it's good to see people that I don't get to see much. We have a great time.

One year I sent out Hanukkah cards just for the fun of it..
One year I sent out Black/people of color..what ever...cards and I'm not black..
I only wish I could find Mitrha cards............

I don't like celebrating christmas, in fact it's on of my laest favourite holidays. The only things I would celebrate is Anniversaries (no, I don't mean marriage anniversaries, anniversaries in general inc. Birthdays), New Years Day, End Of School/Work, Celtic Holidays (Salstas and Equinoxes rtc.) and Saturday Night is something to celebrate, (End Of The Week).

CHRISTMAS ROCKS MY SOCKS ! Atleast JESUS is useful for something besides sex droolio

Modern Christmas celebrations have little or nothing to do with Jesus.

I normally say X-Mas...not so much to take Christ out, but to acknowledge that the traditions surrounding Christmas are from a lot more sources than just Christianity, and that someone like Horus (Egyptian son of Osiris and a mortal woman) was celebrating his B-day in late December long before Jesus was (when the sun reaches its lowest point in that area of the world for 3 days, then is "re-born" as it rises...similar to Easter tradition). And that rites like the Christmas Tree, the manger birth (also from Horus' tale) and others borrow from other traditions just as liberally.

It's honestly a little funny though. If you aren't religious, there's not much reason to celebrate Christmas except for sheer mindless materialism. But it's enough of a social convention (and my family's Christian) that I doubt I'll ever break myself of the habit.

Originally posted by Marxman
Has Christ simply been "X"ed out of the holiday?

The word Christ and its compounds have been abbreviated long before the modern Xmas was commonly used.

Originally posted by Storm
The word Christ and its compounds have been abbreviated long before the modern Xmas was commonly used.

That was more of a play on words than actually asking if people say Xmas to X Christ out. I doubt it would have been popularized in a Christian society like America if that was actually the case.

If people really want to take Christ out of Christmas then they simply shouldn' t speak of Xmas, since the Greek letter Chi X stood for Christ. Whether they like it or not, X is linked to and refers to Christ.

Xmas was made for Commercialism.

To me, this is common knowledge acquired at school, so I took it for granted that this was known.

Originally posted by Storm
To me, this is common knowledge acquired at school, so I took it for granted that this was known.

Must be a pretty good school.

Most of the population thinks the "X" desanctifies the holiday and refers simply to the commercial phenomenon that is Christmas.

Originally posted by Marxman
Putting decorations on the Christmas tree this year I began thinking. My views on life have drastically changed in the past few years. I used to be a Christian in the truest sense of the word. I accepted the teaching of the Catholic Church, did good deeds whenever I could in the name of Christ, prayed, went to church on a regular basis, etc. Approaching the end of high school, however, my views began to change, making me more of what I like to call an Ethical Hedonist.

Anyway, the point of this thread. What has Christmas become? Has it become so secular and commercialized that someone who used to be a Christian but has complete rejected everything that he was taught can still enjoy the holiday?

Has Christ simply been "X"ed out of the holiday?

What religion/set of values do you follow and do you celebrate Christmas? Actually X is similar to the greek letter chi which was an abreviation for christ.

I always thought x-mas was a description for people who are ex-mass-goers.

Once again, I know that Xmas is an abbreviation for Christmas. I was making a play on words by saying Christ was being "X"ed out because, to be honest, that is what's happening in the secular world today.

First of all. Christ is already a "non"-issue in the secualr world, buecause tis already secular.

Second of all. Christianity is not gong anwhere for a long long time. I'm surprised you buy into conservative propoganda about how liberals eat baby Jesus etc.

I worded that wrong. I don't necessarily believe that liberals want to eat the baby Jesus. Not all of them anyway.

But you're right. Christ is SO not a big topic. Religion isn't brought up wherever you go. That's why it has its own section on these forums and that's why most of the topic are related to Christ or Christianity in some way. That's why its so easy for comedians to make fun of Religious Rightists...because they're never at abortion clinics calling women sinner and whores or at the funerals of soldiers with signs saying "Thank God for 9/11!" That's why candidates promise things like passing legislation against gay marriage because the religious community's vote isn't a factor in any election.

Religion is such a dead subject.

Originally posted by Marxman
I worded that wrong. I don't necessarily believe that liberals want to eat the baby Jesus. Not all of them anyway.

But you're right. Christ is SO not a big topic. Religion isn't brought up wherever you go. That's why it has its own section on these forums and that's why most of the topic are related to Christ or Christianity in some way. That's why its so easy for comedians to make fun of Religious Rightists...because they're never at abortion clinics calling women sinner and whores or at the funerals of soldiers with signs saying "Thank God for 9/11!" That's why candidates promise things like passing legislation against gay marriage because the religious community's vote isn't a factor in any election.

Religion is such a dead subject.

I think you will find it is opposite. Religion is very much alive.
Maybe so in America, since you live there, and Western Europe but as for the rest of the world, such is not the case by any stretch of the imagination.

Even some WEstern countries such as Italy - people are extremely religious there. Churches in Naples are FULL. All the time. Every Sunday, as far as my granddad says and as far as i have seen it myself.

Same goes for Spain. The percentage of people who are religious is very very high.

Christmas or X mas ?




Who gives a f*ck....as long as I get presents, that all that matters !

Originally posted by lil bitchiness
I think you will find it is opposite. Religion is very much alive.
Maybe so in America, since you live there, and Western Europe but as for the rest of the world, such is not the case by any stretch of the imagination.

Even some WEstern countries such as Italy - people are extremely religious there. Churches in Naples are FULL. All the time. Every Sunday, as far as my granddad says and as far as i have seen it myself.

Same goes for Spain. The percentage of people who are religious is very very high.

I think you will find that his post was made in sarcastic mind..meaning he meant the opposite. Rather evident too.

Originally posted by Lord Urizen
Christmas or X mas ?




Who gives a f*ck....as long as I get presents, that all that matters !

But you are not a Christian; you can't have presents.

Originally posted by Shakyamunison
But you are not a Christian; you can't have presents.



Or can I

Originally posted by Lord Urizen
Or can I No you can't.

Originally posted by Bardock42
No you can't.

Originally posted by Lord Urizen

No, really. You are an atheist and gay. You can't have any presents. End of story.

Originally posted by Bardock42
No, really. You are an atheist and gay. You can't have any presents. End of story.



I am Agnostic and Bisexual, so I can have HALF the presents a Straight Christian can have !

Originally posted by Bardock42
No, really. You are an atheist and gay. You can't have any presents. End of story.

His boy friend will get him something, but he will have to work for it.

Originally posted by Shakyamunison
His boy friend will get him something, but he will have to work for it.


droolio OH BABY ! DONT EVEN GET ME STARTED !

Originally posted by Lord Urizen
droolio OH BABY ! DONT EVEN GET ME STARTED !

That was your Xmas present, did you like it?

Originally posted by Shakyamunison
That was your Xmas present, did you like it?


droolio


What do you think ?

Originally posted by Lord Urizen
droolio


What do you think ?

That does not tell me anything other then I'm talking to Lord Urizen.

Originally posted by Shakyamunison
That does not tell me anything other then I'm talking to Lord Urizen.


droolio

Originally posted by Lord Urizen
droolio

See, that is just your normal condition of life.

offtopic

Originally posted by Storm
offtopic


Yes, but notice how I am not the one who brought up the issue of homosexuality or atheism....Bardock did

I am a Christian so I do celebrate it as the birth of my Saviour. I am saddened by the lack of Christ in Christmas. Heck, in alot of places...such as schools or workplaces...you can't even say "Merry Christmas" anymore. It has to be "Happy Holidays".

Even in my own home it feels like we forget the real reason for the celebrations. It is sad. Gifts and decorations and food all overtake ones mind and we go insane.

Originally posted by marcu
I am a Christian so I do celebrate it as the birth of my Saviour. I am saddened by the lack of Christ in Christmas. Heck, in alot of places...such as schools or workplaces...you can't even say "Merry Christmas" anymore. It has to be "Happy Holidays".

Even in my own home it feels like we forget the real reason for the celebrations. It is sad. Gifts and decorations and food all overtake ones mind and we go insane. Well first of all, I've never said "Happy Holidays" it's always been "Merry Christmas" even though I don't usually say things like that; I'm Atheist by the way.

The real purpose of Christmas in the celtic celebration of the winter salstas, which was originally 21st December, but the christians from the middle east decided that the holiday should be about Christ. Even though it's completely irrelivant.

So what you said is that Christmas really is about Christ. Arguing that we are celebrating the winter solstice is weak because that is not the purpose of these holidays. If it was we would not get a holiday. Christianity making a holiday on the same day as a pagan holiday does not make it the same holiday.

Originally posted by Nellinator
So what you said is that Christmas really is about Christ. Arguing that we are celebrating the winter solstice is weak because that is not the purpose of these holidays. If it was we would not get a holiday. Christianity making a holiday on the same day as a pagan holiday does not make it the same holiday.

Jesus was born in the summer. That is why the sheep were out in the fields. So, why did they pick the wrong time of year to celebrate the birth of Jesus?

Originally posted by Nellinator
So what you said is that Christmas really is about Christ. How did I say that?
Originally posted by Nellinator
Arguing that we are celebrating the winter solstice is weak because that is not the purpose of these holidays. ...
Originally posted by Nellinator
If it was we would not get a holiday. Christianity making a holiday on the same day as a pagan holiday does not make it the same holiday. Ow, my common sense and general knowledge.

No good reason. However, I think that arguing that we aren't actually celebrating Christmas is pretty weak and lame. We can choose to celebrate Jesus whenever we want. Just because it is custom to do it on a pagan holiday, it does not mean that we are celebrating a pagan holiday. Like Christmas, I could celebrate Easter anytime of the year, it doesn't really matter what the date is, as long as the the whole purpose (remembrance and thanksgiving) is served.

Originally posted by Marxman
Putting decorations on the Christmas tree this year I began thinking. My views on life have drastically changed in the past few years. I used to be a Christian in the truest sense of the word. I accepted the teaching of the Catholic Church, did good deeds whenever I could in the name of Christ, prayed, went to church on a regular basis, etc. Approaching the end of high school, however, my views began to change, making me more of what I like to call an Ethical Hedonist.

Anyway, the point of this thread. What has Christmas become? Has it become so secular and commercialized that someone who used to be a Christian but has complete rejected everything that he was taught can still enjoy the holiday?

Has Christ simply been "X"ed out of the holiday?

What religion/set of values do you follow and do you celebrate Christmas?

All xmas will ever be to me is just an abbreviation of the word christmas...

i was born catholic, i dont support the bible, but i do believe in a higher power, and yes, i celebrate christmas...

Originally posted by BackFire
Christmas for me is a time to enjoy the people you care about, spend time with them and enjoy the good things in your life, whatever that may be.

Originally posted by Nellinator
No good reason. However, I think that arguing that we aren't actually celebrating Christmas is pretty weak and lame. We can choose to celebrate Jesus whenever we want. Just because it is custom to do it on a pagan holiday, it does not mean that we are celebrating a pagan holiday. Like Christmas, I could celebrate Easter anytime of the year, it doesn't really matter what the date is, as long as the the whole purpose (remembrance and thanksgiving) is served.

Then why celebrate Christmas at all, especially on a pagan holiday, in a pagan way?

Originally posted by Nellinator
No good reason. However, I think that arguing that we aren't actually celebrating Christmas is pretty weak and lame. We can choose to celebrate Jesus whenever we want. Just because it is custom to do it on a pagan holiday, it does not mean that we are celebrating a pagan holiday. Like Christmas, I could celebrate Easter anytime of the year, it doesn't really matter what the date is, as long as the the whole purpose (remembrance and thanksgiving) is served. But we're not celebrating christmas, we're giving eachother presents, singing hymms and eating turkey, what the **** has that got to do with christ?

Originally posted by lord xyz
But we're not celebrating christmas, we're giving eachother presents, singing hymms and eating turkey, what the **** has that got to do with christ?

You forgot about Christmas trees. What does that have to do with Jesus?
Decorating a tree is a pagan thing.

The way I see it, Christmas is like everyone's birthday, because everyone gets presents like it's their birthday. But I would celebrate it on New Years Day. Oh, and I love Easter, droolio oh the chocolate.

Originally posted by Shakyamunison
You forgot about Christmas trees. What does that have to do with Jesus?
Decorating a tree is a pagan thing. You are right!

So is sending people cards and presents.

Originally posted by Shakyamunison
Then why celebrate Christmas at all, especially on a pagan holiday, in a pagan way?
Tradition makes it convenient. If it was changed, I wouldn't object of course. Usually, my family celebrate Christmas on the 23rd because of work and time constraints. It doesn't really matter what the day is.

Originally posted by lord xyz
You are right!

So is sending people cards and presents. I think the presents on Christmas thing was started by Saint Nicholas in Germany. So it actually is a Christian tradition. I could be wrong though as I am not well educated in the origins of Christmas tradition.

Originally posted by Bardock42
I think you will find that his post was made in sarcastic mind..meaning he meant the opposite. Rather evident too.

At least somebody gets me here

Originally posted by Marxman
At least somebody gets me here

I got you, tried to return you, but could not get a return authorization.

Originally posted by Nellinator
So what you said is that Christmas really is about Christ. Arguing that we are celebrating the winter solstice is weak because that is not the purpose of these holidays. If it was we would not get a holiday. Christianity making a holiday on the same day as a pagan holiday does not make it the same holiday.

Wow. You completely misread his post didn't you?

Originally posted by Shakyamunison
You forgot about Christmas trees. What does that have to do with Jesus?
Decorating a tree is a pagan thing. True, the tree is very much pagan as in the ornaments we put on them....As with Jesus, as the story in the bible goes, he was probably about 3 years old when visited my the magi and they were only following the stars....the stars were seen as a science (Astronomy....Oooo my fav. song by BOC, (want me to post it?.........*gets CD out*......... and by Astrology, also a science)........the OT was full of Astrology and astronomy..........Hey, what were we talking about again????...

*goes back to look*........Noooo I wasn't smokin no doob.

Ok back.........I do say "merry Christmas" to those that say it to me...Other wise I say "Happy Holidays"...........I would say "Happy Mithra", but................lol

Also for someone who mentioned....celebrating birthdays are also pagan.....In the bible it was the "death of a person" that was celebrated.....

Listen now to Blue Oyster Cult!! Thanks for reminding me......

Originally posted by lord xyz
But we're not celebrating christmas, we're giving eachother presents, singing hymms and eating turkey, what the **** has that got to do with christ?

We have roast beef!

Originally posted by Alliance
We have roast beef! TURKEY!!

Just long as it is MOIST turkey.

I have pernil

Originally posted by office jesus
Wow. You completely misread his post didn't you? Thank you.

Originally posted by Alliance
We have roast beef! Well, so do I. Actually, one or two of the following:

Beef
Turkey
Duck (droolio)
Lamb
Chicken

I've never had goose but some people here do.

Oh, who gives a sh*t...as long as I get presents, that's all that matters. Christmas is worthless without presents and without spending time with those you love

Originally posted by Lord Urizen
Oh, who gives a sh*t...as long as I get presents, that's all that matters. Christmas is worthless without presents and without spending time with those you love Then why celebrate it on the 25th? I'd celebrate it on the 01/01 if it's okay with you.

Originally posted by lord xyz
Then why celebrate it on the 25th? I'd celebrate it on the 01/01 if it's okay with you.


Why settle for just one DAY ?????




LETS MAKE IT CHRISTMAS 365 DAYS A YEAR !!!!



BLISSS !!! OH BLISSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS

Originally posted by Lord Urizen
Why settle for just one DAY ?????




LETS MAKE IT CHRISTMAS 365 DAYS A YEAR !!!!



BLISSS !!! OH BLISSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS Retarded.

Originally posted by lord xyz
Retarded.

droolio

droolio

Originally posted by Lord Urizen
droolio Originally posted by FeceMan
droolio Originally posted by lord xyz
Retarded.

Originally posted by lord xyz
Thank you.

Well, so do I. Actually, one or two of the following:

Beef
Turkey
Duck (droolio)
Lamb
Chicken

I've never had goose but some people here do.

Never pork? Gotta have the swine!

Originally posted by Marxman
Never pork? Gotta have the swine! Eww, no thanks.

Originally posted by Marxman
Never pork? Gotta have the swine! I don't eat germans.

Originally posted by debbiejo
I don't eat germans.

oh snap!

Gonna but one over the holiday and smoke it.......................

In a smoker that is............lol

not a German................I mean pork tenderloin........................and I never ever hardly eat pork........know why?

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Originally posted by aldisyoyo
christ rules!

Originally posted by debbiejo
Gonna but one over the holiday and smoke it.......................

In a smoker that is............lol

not a German................I mean pork tenderloin........................and I never ever hardly eat pork........know why?

Why?

And you smoke pig?! How high does that get you?

I never ever really eat pork, nor meat, though I do love it too the max...........but on special occasions.................and with this said............ have a smoker and me thinks this will be good, more than good..........see, I am mostly a veggie person.............

Originally posted by Marxman

Has Christ simply been "X"ed out of the holiday?

What religion/set of values do you follow and do you celebrate Christmas?

If it brings family and friends together, and they drink, eat, and be merry... Then that's all that matters. Titles are meaningless.

How about murder...

That was after Christmas.

I was thinking more pre Christmas cheer........

You have to get the meat somehow.

Originally posted by debbiejo
How about murder...

Relatives at xmas dinner? Sure, i'm all for it.