EVANGEL94's 2nd SLUGFEST SHOWDOWN TOURNAMENT: Scoobless vs Loot (Vote Now!)

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Evangel94

Loot

Evangel94
Loot's Write-Up

Laminator_X
Wow.

Evangel94
Announcement:

This goes out to all tournament participants in upcoming matches. Anyone who submits a write-up, must have it in written words only. I'm not going to post scans. That's your job.

-Evangel

grey fox
Originally posted by Evangel94
Loot's Write-Up

Do Sues shields block TP ? Sounds a little fishy to me....

Loot

hulk10
Loot wins.

Loot

Scoobless
Invisible Woman cannot block TP

erm

Loot

Scoobless

Loot

Loot
In Fantastic Four #286 Jean was disoriented from her hibernation due to phoenix and went against the Fantastic Four and the Avengers.
She was able to levitate everyone except Invisible Woman who remained unaffected trough a force field.
When Jean attacked her, Invisible Woman created another force field around Jean negating her powers and thus putting the avengers and FF in the ground.
Jean tried to react from inside the force field, but it was completely ineffective and she lost

Blair Wind
Levitation means TK no expression

Loot
Originally posted by Blair Wind
Levitation means TK no expression

i was taling about the fight just that.

altough i have no idea if she tried telepathy when attacking from inside the force field.
still i think i exagerated on the omega thing, xavier could probably use his telepathy on her.

and i know this won´t caount for anything but in a marvel RPG card it was stated that her shield provides her immunity for physical and mental attacks.

and we all know her power is psionic

and i said already, my strategy doesn´t depend only of this, my team could still pull a victory like i´ve stated above

Scoobless
Invisible Woman failing to protect against telepathy:

http://img272.imageshack.us/img272/9173/xmenfantasticfour012005teamdcppg15pa4.th.jpg

I did a little research, Psycho Man does not use telepathy, he uses an element (Element L) that produces "waves" which effect the emotional state of his victims allowing him some degree of control ... It is nothing like telepathy.
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Psylocke attacks Sue, her concentration dissapears, her shields drop, her team is visible, she is easily KOd.

Laminator_X
Originally posted by Loot
In Fantastic Four #286 Jean was disoriented from her hibernation due to phoenix and went against the Fantastic Four and the Avengers.
She was able to levitate everyone except Invisible Woman who remained unaffected trough a force field.
When Jean attacked her, Invisible Woman created another force field around Jean negating her powers and thus putting the avengers and FF in the ground.
Jean tried to react from inside the force field, but it was completely ineffective and she lost

Jean's telepathic powers were dormant at that point, and remained so through much of the original X-Factor run.

Mind you, I'm not taking a position in the debate over weather Sue's forcefield blocks telepathy. I'm merely pointing out that the example of FF#286 doesn't address that question one way another.

I do find it interesting that Jean was unable to levitate her behind her shield though.

Loot

Loot
sue has defended herself against attacks from galactus and many os his heralds. Almost successfully defended against Doom with the power of a watcher enhanced by his own technology, Occulus, Hyperstorm, Annihilus, Terminus. almost, not saying she can beat this guys no way, of course not, but she will not loose to psylock.

http://img293.imageshack.us/my.php?image=sue2020011yo1.jpg

and sue is not the only team member i have, you are even forgeting surfer, after he beats quasar, he will help the team is necessary, i really don´t see quasar beating surfer, giving him a hell of a trouble? yes of course

Loot
Originally posted by Laminator_X
Jean's telepathic powers were dormant at that point, and remained so through much of the original X-Factor run.

Mind you, I'm not taking a position in the debate over weather Sue's forcefield blocks telepathy. I'm merely pointing out that the example of FF#286 doesn't address that question one way another.

I do find it interesting that Jean was unable to levitate her behind her shield though.

she did stop a mental power, its all conected her powers are psionic as well. wasn´t magneto stated has being able to protect his mind from some TP attacks

Scoobless

Loot

Scoobless
Originally posted by Loot
and sue is not the only team member i have, you are even forgeting surfer, after he beats quasar, he will help the team is necessary, i really don´t see quasar beating surfer, giving him a hell of a trouble? yes of course

Of course Quasar can beat Surfer... hell, Surfer was fighting for the life of the entire Universe and he couldn't take Quasar down and this time Quasar's armour will be ten times stronger than it was then.

Surfer will be getting drained constantly while his attacks get him nowhere against the quantum armour and Quasar keeps knocking the crap out of him.

http://img277.imageshack.us/img277/1325/quasar050336qc.th.jpg http://img277.imageshack.us/img277/4175/quasar050343zo.th.jpg http://img277.imageshack.us/img277/2900/quasar050387iq.th.jpg

Quasar threw that armour on in an instant, the longer he takes over constructs the stronger they become and he's spent quite a while on his armour this time.

Loot

Scoobless

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Loot

Loot
spawn can create everything he wans, even if it is at enhanced meta is impressive and a way lot better then 50%

http://img204.imageshack.us/my.php?image=spawnbook40961xj.jpg

Invisible woman can open incredibly powerful force fields (and spawn magic will break quasar constructs):

http://img235.imageshack.us/my.php?image=13083realf14bp2.jpg

sue has more impressive feats then psyloce, and remember that this fight is not just sue vs psylocke.

your team is not as fast as mine, even without force fields you will have trouble catching nightcrawler, spawn, invisible woman, even banshee, your team is not exactly composed of people who can fly. And spawn is also a teleporter, i mean spawn is everything he wants.

shang shi and taskmaster are better fighters then anyone on your team.

surfer is faster then quasar and can and will beat quasar, even without the help of others i think he can pull this one on solo. but if comes down tho both of them i think the rest of my team will prevail and help him.

StarsNeverFall7
This is going to take a long time to read over, ill post my vote later this evening.

Loot

Scoobless
Originally posted by Loot
spawn can create everything he wans, even if it is at enhanced meta is impressive and a way lot better then 50%

http://img204.imageshack.us/my.php?image=spawnbook40961xj.jpg

Invisible woman can open incredibly powerful force fields (and spawn magic will break quasar constructs):

http://img235.imageshack.us/my.php?image=13083realf14bp2.jpg

sue has more impressive feats then psyloce, and remember that this fight is not just sue vs psylocke.

your team is not as fast as mine, even without force fields you will have trouble catching nightcrawler, spawn, invisible woman, even banshee, your team is not exactly composed of people who can fly. And spawn is also a teleporter, i mean spawn is everything he wants.

shang shi and taskmaster are better fighters then anyone on your team.

You just posted another scan where Sue is under mental control ... smile

I didn't choose my whole team to be fighters, Hawkeye(s) can easily keep Taskmaster/Shang Chi at a distance through a variety of different trick arrows.

Faster?
Wolverine's reflexes >> Nightcrawler's reflexes
Noh-Varr >>>>> Banshee, Nightcrawler, Taskmaster and Shang Chi
Mimic >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> everyone except Surfer

Noh-Varr is faster on the ground than anyone else in this match and stronger than everyone else in the Meta group:

http://img392.imageshack.us/img392/9726/speedstrength1sz7.th.jpg http://img392.imageshack.us/img392/1593/speedstrength2di4.th.jpg http://img480.imageshack.us/img480/8724/speedstrength3fg6.th.jpg http://img392.imageshack.us/img392/9970/speedstrength4aq8.th.jpg

And that's without using his energy weapons.... these things can knock hurt (though not badly hurt) Thing level characters:

http://img367.imageshack.us/img367/430/guns3ol3.th.jpg http://img367.imageshack.us/img367/6563/guns4lt1.th.jpg

Banshee wont know what has hit him ... and as soon as he's shot Banshee down he can easily solo your street guys.

Scoobless
Originally posted by Loot
and beside that scan where i don´t even know if its only a wall of force field

http://img313.imageshack.us/img313/5957/inisiblewomantelepathy1ys4.th.jpg

She's gesturing upward and creating a circular field.... it seems like a bubble.... either way, the TP went through no problem.

Originally posted by StarsNeverFall7
This is going to take a long time to read over, ill post my vote later this evening.

Sorry about that ... at least it's only going to last one day.

stick out tongue

Loot

Scoobless
Forgot to add this part:

Originally posted by Loot
sue can beat people more powerful then psylock or that scan that i posted
http://img376.imageshack.us/my.php?image=ff22190vp.jpg
http://img376.imageshack.us/my.php?image=ff22204gy.jpg
http://img376.imageshack.us/my.php?image=ff22215tk.jpg
http://img288.imageshack.us/my.php?image=ff22224of.jpg

laughing out loud

Gotta love the off panel comedy fights ... reminds me of those old cartoons where the character would run off the page, there'd be a loud clatter, then he'd walk back on with a burst drumkit round his neck

smile

Psylocke is our long range character, she isn't getting physically involved (as her powers don't require her to) ... she's staying hidden a few miles from the main battlesite. Sue will never know where she is.

Loot

Scoobless
Originally posted by Loot
you said mimic was faster then everyone except surfer, but your wrong, spawn can become faster then mimic.

Can become? ... maybe ... but does he have a couple years experience fighting at that speed?

There are a few different levels of power for Spawn ... if he can gain any power he wants and create anything he wants as you've said a couple of times it seems like you're using a higher level Spawn to the one you drafted.

No-one else in the Enhanced Meta category can manipulate matter, give themselves any power, become faster/stronger/more durable/whatever just because they feel like it.

I wouldn't mind some clarification on the limits of E-Meta version Spawn ... or possibly a ruling from Evangel as to what he is and is not permitted to do here.

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Scoobless

Loot

Scoobless
Here's a trick Banshee and Nightcrawler will hate. As soon as he gets within range Noh-Varr can pull out his Pocket Battlefield:

http://img513.imageshack.us/img513/8002/pocketbattlefield1eh2.th.jpg http://img513.imageshack.us/img513/9161/pocketbattlefield2is0.th.jpg

Physics is so messed up in there that those guys freaked out just because there senses went a little funny, those shields are/were adamantium by the way, brittle as thin ice in the PB .... as an enhanced Kree Super Soldier with genius level intellect Noh-Varr can handle those situations ... try teleporting or using a sonic scream when you have no idea what the result will be.

evil face

Hmm ... if adamantium cracks like dry pasta in there I wonder what would happen to a supposedly indestructible Surfer.... or his energy blasts.

evil face evil face evil face

Loot

Scoobless
I think we should try to keep posts as short as possible from now on ... no-ne is going to want to trudge through page after page of us just going back and forth....

Or maybe they will ... shrug

Loot

Loot

Scoobless

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Scoobless
One last thing for the moment ... all Noh-Varr needs to do is spit on people and they start to hallucinate (because of the nanites in his system)

http://img513.imageshack.us/img513/1762/spit1sc9.th.jpg http://img510.imageshack.us/img510/7443/spit2fingernailgo4.th.jpg

Cool Fingernail trick as well... oh yeah ... I forgot that he doesn't feel pain like normal people.

big grin

King Kandy
Loot simply doesn't seem like he could win this...

His arguments about TP not being able to penetrate forcefields isn't compelling at all, and he simply hasn't done much to counter Scoobs Strategy.

Blair Wind
voting scoobs

ExodusCloak
Scoobless has presented a stronger case IMO. The Invisible Womens' forcefields let telepathy through...the panel art clearly depicts a bubble...and Mimics speed will pose a problem. Spawn creating powers out of thin air i.e. Super Speed etc of his own...seems a bit iffy I thought the tourney was trying to prevent this type of tactic?...In the end I think this fight(Like the previous two) come down to the Heralds...and Scoobs just presents his case better and has backed everything up with scans.(i.e. Quasars' Construct Shield, Telepathy/Forcefield etc)

Vote goes to Scoobs.

Soljer
Originally posted by Scoobless
That's cheating.

laughing out loud

(and rape is almost never funny)

no expression

Unless you're raping a clown.

And, my vote goes to Scoob.

Maestro
Loot there are ways to win, but ill let you figure that out, otherwise my vote also goes to scoobless.

Tony Stark
Originally posted by ExodusCloak
Scoobless has presented a stronger case IMO. The Invisible Womens' forcefields let telepathy through...the panel art clearly depicts a bubble...and Mimics speed will pose a problem. Spawn creating powers out of thin air i.e. Super Speed etc of his own...seems a bit iffy I thought the tourney was trying to prevent this type of tactic?...In the end I think this fight(Like the previous two) come down to the Heralds...and Scoobs just presents his case better and has backed everything up with scans.(i.e. Quasars' Construct Shield, Telepathy/Forcefield etc)

Vote goes to Scoobs.



Let's be honest Sue can create different strength, sized, thicknesses, and shaped force fields. Just because "MAYBE" per that writer the TP got through that particular field...whose to say that Sue was using a real strong or thick version of it. I know that I've seen Sue block TP and TK in many occasions with her fields.


At this point and time my vote is for Loot... The SS and Spawn and Sue grouping is too tough for scoobs team IMO.

Typhus
I'm voting for Loot for now. Not sure about Sue's force fields, but I don't think Quasar can beat Surfer. Also, AoA 'crawler's a beast.

Roldz
Scoobs for now presenting quite a better argument, lets see what Loot comes up tommorrow.. His got quite a bit of option at his disposal..

King_Mungi
As of now, Scoobs has my vote. He has laid out a better attack plan, and I also know what Quasar is capable of. Things Silver Surfer failed to do.

King Kandy
Okay, Scoob has my straight out vote.

StarsNeverFall7
Am I the only one that has found this battle a pain in the ass to follow? Im leaning towards Scoobless, mainly because he has presented a much clearer and more understandable case. I personally feel Surfer is above Quasar, but in this Tournament, what we think or feel isn't the case.

Ill post my vote after I get done trying to figure out some of the posts thus far and come to a better conclusion.

Evangel94
I'm extending the match time of this thread to saturday.

King KAM
Sue Kill Just about everyone besides Quasar instantly...who loses to Silver Surfer anyways

She gives everyone brain and heart anuerism's and suffocates wolverine

Scoobless
Originally posted by Evangel94
I'm extending the match time of this thread to saturday.

What? ... why? .. dammit ... I wouldn't have posted so much in a row if this was going to get drawn out.

Scoobless
Originally posted by Tony Stark
Sue can create different strength, sized, thicknesses, and shaped force fields. Just because "MAYBE" per that writer the TP got through that particular field...whose to say that Sue was using a real strong or thick version of it. I know that I've seen Sue block TP and TK in many occasions with her fields.

Thickness is irrelevant, sound, light and telepathic attacks have no problem going through Sue's fields.

Sue cannot block TP.

Why is it that everyone who "knows they've seen Sue block tp" can't remember where or when?

Maybe because it's never happened?

Originally posted by King KAM
Sue Kill Just about everyone besides Quasar instantly...who loses to Silver Surfer anyways

She gives everyone brain and heart anuerism's and suffocates wolverine

One hit kill tactics such as opening fields inside people's brains/hearts were banned from the start.

A few of you seem to "feel" that Surfer beats Quasar regardless of what has actually transpired in the comics.

I put this down to Surfer's over-hyped rep on KMC.

Quasar has showings that are equally as good as anything Surfer has pulled out and even better in a lot of cases (especially if those cases involve people who heavily rely on energy based abilities... such as Heralds)

Very early in his career Quasar handled Firelord with no problems (while tired) and he has only gotten better since then:

http://img363.imageshack.us/img363/7799/quasarvsfl1ot0.th.jpg http://img363.imageshack.us/img363/316/quasarvsfl2rh8.th.jpg

Surfer is a cosmic battery, sure ... but Quasar has an entire universe of energy to draw on... he has no limits on how much he can absorb simply because it doesn't get stored in his body, the Quantum bands shunt it into the quantum universe/dimension... surfer, on the other hand, can be overloaded.

Quasar succeeds where Surfer fails:

http://img16.imageshack.us/img16/3060/maximumsecurity3265qp.th.jpg http://img16.imageshack.us/img16/6610/maximumsecurity3270yf.th.jpg http://img16.imageshack.us/img16/9394/maximumsecurity3291nq.th.jpg http://img512.imageshack.us/img512/710/maximumsecurity3352jq.th.jpg

StarsNeverFall7
Loot seems to have the stronger team, Scoobless seems to be attempting a better strategy, but both are about hard as hell to follow to me anyways.

Does more adaptive Quantam Bands really mean more powerful?

Scoobless
Originally posted by StarsNeverFall7
Does more adaptive Quantam Bands really mean more powerful?

Not necessarily ... but they have much more options and are equally powerful when it comes to energy discharges (but I don't think Q can manipulate matter .... which doesn't really matter in this tourney)

I knew it would be an uphill struggle arguing against the Surfer from the start just because of the way people on KMC view him ... there are so many threads like "Surfer Vs The Entire Justice League" or "Surfer Vs DC Earth".

no expression

A problem with a lot of those threads are that they are argued on by reputation only... I doubt half the participants have read anything featuring Surfer outside the Infinity Gauntlet stories.

And even less people seem to have a decent working knowledge of Quasar (which is why I have to post all the scans).

sad

I just hope this entire tourney isn't pre-decided just because someone got to the Herald draft thread first and got Surfer before the next person could.

erm

StarsNeverFall7
Nah, scans show alot, but in something like this it really doesn't come down to that, at least to me anyway. Its character potential and how well you can work that potential to your favor, which Quasar and SS have alot of potential and often arn't written that way.

So far it seems to be a pretty even fight, Im just having a hell of a time following some of the posts and debates.

Loot

Loot
Originally posted by StarsNeverFall7
which Quasar and SS have alot of potential and often arn't written that way.


exactly,
but in here its surfer not holding back, we all know that if he gives everything in a fight he is one of the best, see his fight against morg.

Not to mention the abbility he has to seek the weak points of adversaries, he has done so many times, example: in annihialation (before the upgrade) when he beats ravenous and his boys.

ExodusCloak
Originally posted by Tony Stark
Let's be honest Sue can create different strength, sized, thicknesses, and shaped force fields. Just because "MAYBE" per that writer the TP got through that particular field...whose to say that Sue was using a real strong or thick version of it. I know that I've seen Sue block TP and TK in many occasions with her fields.


At this point and time my vote is for Loot... The SS and Spawn and Sue grouping is too tough for scoobs team IMO.

Assuming much aren't we? Honest? Do you have a scan or issue number of her blocking telepathy? I have yet to this...even when KMC had this Sue/TP epidemic going on...no one could prove that she could. That scan clearly shows her encased in a bubble and being effected by telepathy.

BTW Telepathy and Telekinesis do not work by the same concept...especially since it works over light years(Lilandra and X still communicate via telepathy) and is inter dimensional.(Jean and Mikhails people)

My vote still stands..

Scoobless

Loot

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StarsNeverFall7
How long is this fight staying up til? Its going to take a bit more to get a solid vote in..

Loot

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StarsNeverFall7
I've figured out whats making this so hard to judge, its a feat war now, or so it seems.

Scoobless

Scoobless
Originally posted by StarsNeverFall7
I've figured out whats making this so hard to judge, its a feat war now, or so it seems.

I used a few scans at the start in order to illistrate that Quasar would be doing much better than he has in the past.

All these healing/matter manip scans have nothing to do with anything though.

StarsNeverFall7
Nah scoobs, wasn't really referring to you in that one. You're atleast attempting to place strategy with the scans listed instead of just posting them wildly of feats.

xmarksthespot
I'm assuming these fights are more on strategy and less on just posting scans. In which case I vote Scoobs, as he's made a good effort to put forward a solid strategy.

And I'm of the opinion Sue Storm's forcefields do not block telepathy, considering the only instance in which she has is incredibly specious, in the same issue she somehow uses telepathy -- which makes no sense.

Loot
Originally posted by StarsNeverFall7
Nah scoobs, wasn't really referring to you in that one. You're atleast attempting to place strategy with the scans listed instead of just posting them wildly of feats.

it was meant to show what the characters can do since it seems necessary to prove everything we say about characters, but point taken

Loot

Dreampanther
My vote goes to Scoobs.

Loot, it is up to you to prove that somehow your team can block telepathic attacks. Until then, you're screwed, because according to the scans Scoobs posted, Sue can't. It's up to you to prove otherwise.

Apart from that, the teams are pretty equal, except from Spawn (who, however, as far as I know, is vulnerable to telepathic attacks as well - he's still got a human brain). The Spawn I know is the early Spawn, and he's a monster. His only weakness (apart from telepathic attacks, which you have to disprove, Loot) was that he only had a finite amount of power. But as long as he stayed within that reserve, he could do just about anything he could think of. His methods were crude, but effective, like his teleportation. laughing out loud

Therefore, if you, Loot, can prove somehow that your team is invulnerable to telepathic attacks by Psylocke, you will win my vote, because I think Spawn will swing the battle in your favour. Scoobs himself said his team don't know much about Spawn, and will depend on Psylocke to get that information for them.

Quasar with shields is at least Surfer's equal, Scoobs has proved. And both teams have shields. I really think the battle depends on the telepathic attack/defence issues first, and on Spawn second.

But Scoobs's team with the telepathic assault so far has the edge.

Just my opinion, of course. cool

Loot

Loot
Does anyone have the comic book where invisible woman as malice i think fought psy-lord aka franklin richards?

Scoobless
Originally posted by Dreampanther
My vote goes to Scoobs.

Loot, it is up to you to prove that somehow your team can block telepathic attacks. Until then, you're screwed, because according to the scans Scoobs posted, Sue can't. It's up to you to prove otherwise.

Apart from that, the teams are pretty equal, except from Spawn (who, however, as far as I know, is vulnerable to telepathic attacks as well - he's still got a human brain). The Spawn I know is the early Spawn, and he's a monster. His only weakness (apart from telepathic attacks, which you have to disprove, Loot) was that he only had a finite amount of power. But as long as he stayed within that reserve, he could do just about anything he could think of. His methods were crude, but effective, like his teleportation. laughing out loud

Therefore, if you, Loot, can prove somehow that your team is invulnerable to telepathic attacks by Psylocke, you will win my vote, because I think Spawn will swing the battle in your favour. Scoobs himself said his team don't know much about Spawn, and will depend on Psylocke to get that information for them.

Quasar with shields is at least Surfer's equal, Scoobs has proved. And both teams have shields. I really think the battle depends on the telepathic attack/defence issues first, and on Spawn second.

But Scoobs's team with the telepathic assault so far has the edge.

Just my opinion, of course. cool

For the tournament both Spawn and Vindicator had their abilities limied ... it was decided that they could be taken down if enough damage was sustained and that they weren't completely invulnerable to earthly weapons.

So basically I sicced Mimic on him in full battle mode while Psylocke does her thing far from the battlefield.

Scoobless
I meant Violator.

embarrasment

Loot

stormfront13
idk who to vote for, but i think scoobs team has the better team though...so my vote goes to him. but loot, your doin a hell of a job

Loot
Originally posted by Maestro
Loot there are ways to win, but ill let you figure that out, otherwise my vote also goes to scoobless.

you got to tell me this at the end then

King_Mungi
Originally posted by Scoobless
I meant Violator.

embarrasment

You got Alpha Flight on your mind cool

Scoobless
Originally posted by King_Mungi
You got Alpha Flight on your mind cool

Doesn't everyone?

Hmmmm .... AAAAlpha Flight

droolio

StarsNeverFall7
Still having a hell of a time leaning one way or the other, hopefully theres some really good points that get brought up this evening.

King_Mungi
Originally posted by Scoobless
Doesn't everyone?

Hmmmm .... AAAAlpha Flight

droolio

their dead...you sick freak mad

Scoobless
Originally posted by StarsNeverFall7
Still having a hell of a time leaning one way or the other, hopefully theres some really good points that get brought up this evening.

I thought we were winding it down a notch now .... no expression

I may post something later... but I'll keep it as brief as possible.

StarsNeverFall7
Nah its not that, detail is always good. Its more of alot of this is so close on the teams and such it makes it really hard to say one way or the other. Hoping for some good points to come up to get that extra edge.

King KAM
Originally posted by Scoobless
Thickness is irrelevant, sound, light and telepathic attacks have no problem going through Sue's fields.

Sue cannot block TP.

Why is it that everyone who "knows they've seen Sue block tp" can't remember where or when?

Maybe because it's never happened?



One hit kill tactics such as opening fields inside people's brains/hearts were banned from the start.

A few of you seem to "feel" that Surfer beats Quasar regardless of what has actually transpired in the comics.

I put this down to Surfer's over-hyped rep on KMC.

Quasar has showings that are equally as good as anything Surfer has pulled out and even better in a lot of cases (especially if those cases involve people who heavily rely on energy based abilities... such as Heralds)

Very early in his career Quasar handled Firelord with no problems (while tired) and he has only gotten better since then:

http://img363.imageshack.us/img363/7799/quasarvsfl1ot0.th.jpg http://img363.imageshack.us/img363/316/quasarvsfl2rh8.th.jpg

Surfer is a cosmic battery, sure ... but Quasar has an entire universe of energy to draw on... he has no limits on how much he can absorb simply because it doesn't get stored in his body, the Quantum bands shunt it into the quantum universe/dimension... surfer, on the other hand, can be overloaded.

Quasar succeeds where Surfer fails:

http://img16.imageshack.us/img16/3060/maximumsecurity3265qp.th.jpg http://img16.imageshack.us/img16/6610/maximumsecurity3270yf.th.jpg http://img16.imageshack.us/img16/9394/maximumsecurity3291nq.th.jpg http://img512.imageshack.us/img512/710/maximumsecurity3352jq.th.jpg well what if sue suffocates everyone is that still one hit kill?? i mean, technically they would have time to scramble around, and if she busted all there appendixes it wouldnt kill them....just make them roll on the ground in pain

Scoobless
Originally posted by King KAM
well what if sue suffocates everyone is that still one hit kill?? i mean, technically they would have time to scramble around, and if she busted all there appendixes it wouldnt kill them....just make them roll on the ground in pain

Sue isn't standing around doing whatever she wants, she is under a constant telepathic assault and having illusions forced into her head.... she wouldn't be capable of any decent attack and what little she could manage would be aimed at false images.

King KAM
marvel says psylocke lost her TP

Scoobless
Originally posted by King KAM
marvel says psylocke lost her TP

This is classic Psylocke.

batdude123
Originally posted by Scoobless
I put this down to Surfer's over-hyped rep on KMC.

Best statement of the entire match. thumb up

DigiMark007
Why is KAM suddenly arguing against Scoob? If you wanted to debate, you should've entered. Leave this between Scoob and Loot.

batdude123
Originally posted by DigiMark007
Why is KAM suddenly arguing against Scoob? If you wanted to debate, you should've entered. Leave this between Scoob and Loot.

Because he has a boner for Sue.

King KAM
Originally posted by DigiMark007
Why is KAM suddenly arguing against Scoob? If you wanted to debate, you should've entered. Leave this between Scoob and Loot. shaddup, i do what i wishOriginally posted by batdude123
Because he has a boner for Sue. not as much as i got one for mary jane...

Loot

Tony Stark
Originally posted by ExodusCloak
Assuming much aren't we? Honest? Do you have a scan or issue number of her blocking telepathy? I have yet to this...even when KMC had this Sue/TP epidemic going on...no one could prove that she could. That scan clearly shows her encased in a bubble and being effected by telepathy.

BTW Telepathy and Telekinesis do not work by the same concept...especially since it works over light years(Lilandra and X still communicate via telepathy) and is inter dimensional.(Jean and Mikhails people)

My vote still stands..



Even if her fields couldn't block it which she has shown that they can...Her normal costume has them built in already from her husband...You may have heard of him Reed Richards the smartest hero ever and the guy who built a machine to travel to HEAVEN and back.

Or maybe the picture shows that the others are encased in the field and that she is between them and it looks as if she's in it when she is actually not and she's in the middle...?

Scoobless
Originally posted by Loot
your saying that psylocke would put everybody useless using her TP

nightcrawler would teleport "inside" her killing each other

Quasar shields can block telepathy, so spawn would copy his shield

I said Psylocke would attack the Invisible Woman, no one else.

Nightcrawler has no idea where she is and teleporting into someone is against the rules.

If Spawn can copy Quasar's abilities then he definitely is not E-Meta and you have drafted an illegal character.

Scoobless
Originally posted by Tony Stark
Or maybe the picture shows that the others are encased in the field and that she is between them and it looks as if she's in it when she is actually not and she's in the middle...?

Nope.

http://img313.imageshack.us/img313/5957/inisiblewomantelepathy1ys4.th.jpg

Tony Stark
Originally posted by Scoobless
Nope.

http://img313.imageshack.us/img313/5957/inisiblewomantelepathy1ys4.th.jpg


Per that crappy writer and YES he was crappy... That whole series sucked donkey balls.

It's common knowledge that after the Onslaught saga that Reed installed both TK and TP blocks into the groups suits as did Tony to his suits in fact they calibrated on them.

King_Mungi
Tony why are you debating? It's between Scoobless and Loot.

Maestro
Loot you need those scans of Sue blocking Psi-Lords TP really badly to sway the votes, even then I know a counter-argument to those scans so you hope scoob doesn't find out.

King KAM
Originally posted by Scoobless
I said Psylocke would attack the Invisible Woman, no one else.

Nightcrawler has no idea where she is and teleporting into someone is against the rules.

If Spawn can copy Quasar's abilities then he definitely is not E-Meta and you have drafted an illegal character. how does psylocke find invisible woman so easily????

SpunkySmurph
My vote goes to Scoob

StarsNeverFall7
My vote goes to scoob. Hes kept consistant and has done his best to bring valid points. Very hard choice though might I add.

ExodusCloak
Originally posted by Tony Stark
Even if her fields couldn't block it which she has shown that they can...Her normal costume has them built in already from her husband...You may have heard of him Reed Richards the smartest hero ever and the guy who built a machine to travel to HEAVEN and back.

Or maybe the picture shows that the others are encased in the field and that she is between them and it looks as if she's in it when she is actually not and she's in the middle...?

Oh yes....but considering....Emma bypassed IronMans Psi-defences in Civl War #3 and O.N.E's Telepathic Blockers in Deadly Genesis #2 I wouldn't start pointing fingers at crappy writers If I were you.
Hah...look at the panel art again.

Fact is...Scoobs has shown proof...Loot hasn't.

If it's common knowledge, then you wouldn't have a hard time finding a scan where it says this.

ExodusCloak
One...more thing...I didn't vote based on that anyway...this match came down to the Heralds. And Scoobs used his prep time better...one side had a better strategy.

Vote still stands.

Loot

Loot
Originally posted by Tony Stark
Per that crappy writer and YES he was crappy... That whole series sucked donkey balls.

It's common knowledge that after the Onslaught saga that Reed installed both TK and TP blocks into the groups suits as did Tony to his suits in fact they calibrated on them.

exactly, do i need to post spiderman beating firelord, some guy remembered to make that story, and now i will loose.

Loot

Loot

Loot

Loot

"V"
My vote goes to Scoob, class prep time work.

xmarksthespot
Originally posted by King_Mungi
Tony why are you debating? It's between Scoobless and Loot. Originally posted by batdude123
Because he has a boner for Sue.

Tony Stark
Originally posted by xmarksthespot




There have been many posts by people within the 3 fights so far that haven't been the actual combatants but are correcting false info... and I was one of those many.



And BTW I no longer have a boner for Sue...




wink

Laminator_X
I'll vote scoob

Scoobless

Ichigo66666
Originally posted by Tony Stark
There have been many posts by people within the 3 fights so far that haven't been the actual combatants but are correcting false info... and I was one of those many.



And BTW I no longer have a boner for Sue...




wink

So, you have a sentry boner?

Tony Stark
Originally posted by Ichigo66666
So, you have a sentry boner?



cool


Ahhhh... laughing


In a way...


It does have the power of a million exploding suns...


Or so I've told.


Happy Dance

Ichigo66666
Originally posted by Tony Stark
cool


Ahhhh... laughing


In a way...


It does have the power of a million exploding suns...


Or so I've told.


Happy Dance

Haha! rolling on floor laughing laughing out loud laughing

Anyway, i vote Scoobless. The prep work did it for me.

King Kandy
Loot has a point, though. Surfer is faster then Quasar...

Loot

Evangel94
Originally posted by King Kandy
Okay, Scoob has my straight out vote.

There's no need to restate your vote twice.

King Kandy
Originally posted by Evangel94
There's no need to restate your vote twice.
I only did it once.

The first time I just said I thought Scoob was doing a better job, but didn't vote.

Evangel94
Originally posted by King Kandy
I only did it once.

The first time I just said I thought Scoob was doing a better job, but didn't vote.

It's pretty obvious when you said "there's no way loot could win this" that your voting for scoobless verbally. You're not going to turn around and go against what you just said.

King Kandy
I was mentally prepaired for the possibility that oot could pull off one helluva comeback.

He didn't.

trolly_crouchjr
Im voting kandy...

Evangel94
Originally posted by King Kandy
I was mentally prepaired for the possibility that oot could pull off one helluva comeback.

He didn't.

Well there's still an hour left in the match...come back is always possible but unlikely.

Btw do you mind on recapping why your voting for scoobless again? Just out of curiosity.

Scoobless
Originally posted by trolly_crouchjr
Im voting kandy...

Wow ... just ..... wow.

no expression

Evangel94
Originally posted by trolly_crouchjr
Im voting kandy...

King Kandy is not in this match.

This match is between "Scoobless" and "Loot".

Not to mention, you don't have the 800 minimum posts to vote.

King Kandy
Originally posted by Evangel94
Well there's still an hour left in the match...come back is always possible but unlikely.

Btw do you mind on recapping why your voting for scoobless again? Just out of curiosity.
He seems to present his case that TP could hurt Invisible woman, that Spawn's not all that, and that Quasar is more then capable of defending any shortcomins of the rest of his team and beating Surfer.

And he, in my mind, demonstrated the truth of those things beyond a doubt. Loot hasn't put up much of a fight contrary to those claims.

King Kandy
Originally posted by Evangel94
King Kandy is not in this match.

This match is between "Scoobless" and "Loot".

Not to mention, you don't have the 800 minimum posts to vote.
He's joking, I'm guessing.

He's my partner in Batdudes tournament, so there might be some conflict of interest anyway.

Evangel94
Originally posted by ExodusCloak
Oh yes....but considering....Emma bypassed IronMans Psi-defences in Civl War #3


Man.... do I hate lies. roll eyes (sarcastic)

Tony wasn't even WEARING the Iron Man armor when he was paying her a visit in Civil War #3. Tony and Emma were sitting down having Tea when she started telepathically projecting images.

DigiMark007
Originally posted by Evangel94
Man.... do I hate lies. roll eyes (sarcastic)

Tony wasn't even WEARING the Iron Man armor when he was paying her a visit in Civil War #3. Tony and Emma were sitting down having Tea when she started telepathically projecting images.

laughing out loud

...that's gotta be up there on the BS scale for things I've seen recently. Way to call him on it though Evang.

Evangel94
Originally posted by DigiMark007
laughing out loud

...that's gotta be up there on the BS scale for things I've seen recently. Way to call him on it though Evang.

I know! Un-be-lie-va-ble bs..!

Here's the scene in question where "Emma bypasses Iron Man's Psi-defenses". Gee I didn't know Tony built such weak psi-defenses in his casual wear. laughing out loud

http://img69.imageshack.us/img69/4655/scan0006ns2.th.jpg

http://img156.imageshack.us/img156/9964/scan0007cm2.th.jpg

http://img90.imageshack.us/img90/4725/scan0008sv6.th.jpg

Evangel94
Match Over!

The results are in!

hulk10 - Loot
Tony Stark - Loot
Typhus - Loot
King KAM - Loot

King Kandy - Scoobless
Blair Wind - Scoobless
Exodus Cloak - Scoobless
Soljier - Scoobless
Maestro - Scoobless
Roldz - Scoobless
King Mungi - Scoobless
xmarksthespot - Scoobless
Dreampanther - Scoobless
Stormfront13 - Scoobless
SpunkySmurph - Scoobless
StarsNeverFall7 - Scoobless
V - Scoobless
LaminatorX - Scoobless
Ichigo66666 - Scoobless

Scoobless defeats Loot in a 15 to 4 massacre.

Winner: Scoobless

"V"
Congrats Scoob! smile

ExodusCloak
Originally posted by Evangel94
I know! Un-be-lie-va-ble bs..!

Here's the scene in question where "Emma bypasses Iron Man's Psi-defenses". Gee I didn't know Tony built such weak psi-defenses in his casual wear. laughing out loud

http://img69.imageshack.us/img69/4655/scan0006ns2.th.jpg

http://img156.imageshack.us/img156/9964/scan0007cm2.th.jpg

http://img90.imageshack.us/img90/4725/scan0008sv6.th.jpg


*cough* Lies? confused *cough* Umm isn't Tony's suit fused into him now?


If I was actually lying I wouldn't have listed the issue..that would have been a no no...

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