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Scoobless

Herald:
Quasar - http://www.marvel.com/universe/Quasar_%28Wendell_Vaughn%29

Enhanced:
Mimic (Exiles) - http://www.marvel.com/universe/Mimic_%28Earth-12%29
Psylocke - http://www.marvel.com/universe/Psylocke

Meta:
Marvel Boy - http://www.marvel.com/universe/Marvel_Boy_%28Noh-Varr%29
Wolverine - http://www.marvel.com/universe/Wolverine_%28James_Howlett%29

Street Level:
Hawkeye - http://www.marvel.com/universe/Hawkeye_%28Clint_Barton%29
Ultimate Hawkeye - http://www.marvel.com/universe/Hawkeye_%28Ultimate%29

vs

Loot

Silver Surfer – http://www.marveldirectory.com/individuals/s/silversurfer.htm

Spawn – http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spawn_%28comics%29; http://www.classicmarvel.com/cast/spawn.htm
Invisible Woman – http://www.marveldirectory.com/individuals/i/invisiblewoman.htm


Nightcrawler (aoa style with blades) – http://www.marveldirectory.com/individuals/n/nightcrawleraoa.htm

Banshee - http://www.marveldatabase.com/Banshee_%28Sean_Cassidy%29

Taskmaster – http://www.classicmarvel.com/cast/taskmaster.htm
Shang Shi - http://www.marveldatabase.com/Shang-Chi




Scoobless Write-Up




Maximum character limit reached. Posting Loot's write-up next.

Why didnīt you post my strategy i send it today?

Loot's Write-Up

Wow.

Announcement:

This goes out to all tournament participants in upcoming matches. Anyone who submits a write-up, must have it in written words only. I'm not going to post scans. That's your job.

-Evangel

Originally posted by Evangel94
Loot's Write-Up

Do Sues shields block TP ? Sounds a little fishy to me....

Originally posted by grey fox
Do Sues shields block TP ? Sounds a little fishy to me....

its not fishy they do, i will try to search for scans if you need proves, but iīm certain more people in KMC knows about this.

she has protected herself against Psycho-man, but thereīs more

Loot wins.

iīm not finding any scans, but i do know she has fought psi-lord to a standstil, really IW force field can block just about anything, and mental attacks are nothing to her.

Invisible Woman cannot block TP

Originally posted by Scoobless
Invisible Woman cannot block TP



yes she can, she has done it before against psi lord.
And even if she couldnīt, you still didnīt find a way of taking out spawn, wolverine taking out nightcrawler is not going to happen, expecially if heīs protected by a force field.
and spawn can copy every power mimic has and not only at 50%, and not only mutant powers

edit: Invisible Woman shield has proven to negate Jean greyīs attacks both telepathic and telekinetic, this is shwon when Avengers and FF found her in the incubator and when she went offensive, none of the members could stop her, except Invisible woman

Originally posted by Loot
yes she can, she has done it before against psi lord.
And even if she couldnīt, you still didnīt find a way of taking out spawn, wolverine taking out nightcrawler is not going to happen, expecially if heīs protected by a force field.
and spawn can copy every power mimic has and not only at 50%, and not only mutant powers

edit: Invisible Woman shield has proven to negate Jean greyīs attacks both telepathic and telekinetic, this is shwon when Avengers and FF found her in the incubator and when she went offensive, none of the members could stop her, except Invisible woman

I've read that as well ... Jean didn't use TP on IW ... all she "negated" was a TK attack.

If Spawn can copy all powers at full strength then he should not be in E-Meta class ... 616 Mimic wasn't allowed in that class at modern power levels because it was above the caps.

Just so it's clear, Invisible woman cannot block telepathy.

Originally posted by Scoobless

If Spawn can copy all powers at full strength then he should not be in E-Meta class ... 616 Mimic wasn't allowed in that class at modern power levels because it was above the caps.

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i didnīt said that, he wonīt, i just said if mimic copies an enhance meta power it will be at 50%, if spawn does the same it eill be at enhanced meta 100%

Her shields protected her from telepathy, as proven when Psycho-Man had to use the device on her when her shield was down.
Telepathy can pass trough her shield however if its incredibly powerful say like omega level, galactus has done so.

Your are basing your victory in psylock telepathy, but you canīt make a mental shutdown, of course against telepathy its even more dificult to beat you, but you will not be able to pass trough invisible womans shields, only mimic has a chance, and he will loose to spawn, magic attacks will beat him. and spawn has showed telepathy has well, so its complicated to say what would happen, iīm imagining psylock entering spawnīs mind and he then showing her the pain of hell, that would mess psyīs head so bad.

In Fantastic Four #286 Jean was disoriented from her hibernation due to phoenix and went against the Fantastic Four and the Avengers.
She was able to levitate everyone except Invisible Woman who remained unaffected trough a force field.
When Jean attacked her, Invisible Woman created another force field around Jean negating her powers and thus putting the avengers and FF in the ground.
Jean tried to react from inside the force field, but it was completely ineffective and she lost

Levitation means TK

Originally posted by Blair Wind
Levitation means TK

i was taling about the fight just that.

altough i have no idea if she tried telepathy when attacking from inside the force field.
still i think i exagerated on the omega thing, xavier could probably use his telepathy on her.

and i know this wonÂīt caount for anything but in a marvel RPG card it was stated that her shield provides her immunity for physical and mental attacks.

and we all know her power is psionic

and i said already, my strategy doesnÂīt depend only of this, my team could still pull a victory like iÂīve stated above

Invisible Woman failing to protect against telepathy:

http://img272.imageshack.us/img272/9173/xmenfantasticfour012005teamdcppg15pa4.th.jpg

I did a little research, Psycho Man does not use telepathy, he uses an element (Element L) that produces "waves" which effect the emotional state of his victims allowing him some degree of control ... It is nothing like telepathy.
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Psylocke attacks Sue, her concentration dissapears, her shields drop, her team is visible, she is easily KOd.

Originally posted by Loot
In Fantastic Four #286 Jean was disoriented from her hibernation due to phoenix and went against the Fantastic Four and the Avengers.
She was able to levitate everyone except Invisible Woman who remained unaffected trough a force field.
When Jean attacked her, Invisible Woman created another force field around Jean negating her powers and thus putting the avengers and FF in the ground.
Jean tried to react from inside the force field, but it was completely ineffective and she lost

Jean's telepathic powers were dormant at that point, and remained so through much of the original X-Factor run.

Mind you, I'm not taking a position in the debate over weather Sue's forcefield blocks telepathy. I'm merely pointing out that the example of FF#286 doesn't address that question one way another.

I do find it interesting that Jean was unable to levitate her behind her shield though.

Originally posted by Scoobless
Invisible Woman failing to protect against telepathy:

http://img272.imageshack.us/img272/9173/xmenfantasticfour012005teamdcppg15pa4.th.jpg


Psylocke attacks Sue, her concentration dissapears, her shields drop, her team is visible, she is easily KOd.

thats assuming a lot. iīve been reading a lot right now thereīs a huge discussion about this (wheres wynndar when we need him), many people say she has TP many people says she hasnīt. She has proven that she has it, and in your scan it seems she doesnīt (happens all the time in comics), and in the scan we donīt know if its a closed force field could be simply a wall, but like i said in a comics different writers put different things sometimes

Still sur storm has a resistant mind to TP and saying her force field would go down right a way is exagerating, still your not talking about spawn, why would spawn let psyclock toy with anyone? i actually would like taht psy would try to enter in spawnīs mind, she would be petrefied, and like you said, she doensīt know him. and he can take her and mimic without a force field

sue has defended herself against attacks from galactus and many os his heralds. Almost successfully defended against Doom with the power of a watcher enhanced by his own technology, Occulus, Hyperstorm, Annihilus, Terminus. almost, not saying she can beat this guys no way, of course not, but she will not loose to psylock.

http://img293.imageshack.us/my.php?image=sue2020011yo1.jpg

and sue is not the only team member i have, you are even forgeting surfer, after he beats quasar, he will help the team is necessary, i really donÂīt see quasar beating surfer, giving him a hell of a trouble? yes of course

Originally posted by Laminator_X
Jean's telepathic powers were dormant at that point, and remained so through much of the original X-Factor run.

Mind you, I'm not taking a position in the debate over weather Sue's forcefield blocks telepathy. I'm merely pointing out that the example of FF#286 doesn't address that question one way another.

I do find it interesting that Jean was unable to levitate her behind her shield though.

she did stop a mental power, its all conected her powers are psionic as well. wasnÂīt magneto stated has being able to protect his mind from some TP attacks

Originally posted by Loot
Your are basing your victory in psylock telepathy, but you canīt make a mental shutdown, of course against telepathy its even more dificult to beat you, but you will not be able to pass trough invisible womans shields

I don't need a mental shut down, Sue's shields are kept up through concentration, with her under constant telepathic attack her concentration will collapse.

http://img272.imageshack.us/img272/9173/xmenfantasticfour012005teamdcppg15pa4.th.jpg

None of your team will be shielded by her.

None of your team will be invisible.

If by some fluke, her shields aren't completely down after this they will definitely be severely weakened. Invisible Woman gets feedback when her shields are burst ... she has even been knocked out by it, one blasst from Quasar onto a weakened shield and she'll be out like a light.

Originally posted by Loot
thats assuming a lot. eīve been reading a lot right now thereīs a huge discussion about this

Assuming?... looking and reading actually.

http://img272.imageshack.us/img272/9173/xmenfantasticfour012005teamdcppg15pa4.th.jpg

There's a huge discussion about whether TP effects her even though you can see it right there?

Sue is affected by telepathy ... everyone can see it for themselves right there.
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Originally posted by Loot
she did stop a mental power, its all conected her powers are psionic as well. wasnÂīt magneto stated has being able to protect his mind from some TP attacks

What has Magneto got to do with anything?

Originally posted by Scoobless
I don't need a mental shut down, Sue's shields are kept up through concentration, with her under constant telepathic attack her concentration will collapse.

http://img272.imageshack.us/img272/9173/xmenfantasticfour012005teamdcppg15pa4.th.jpg

None of your team will be shielded by her.

None of your team will be invisible.

If by some fluke, her shields aren't completely down after this they will definitely be severely weakened. Invisible Woman gets feedback when her shields are burst ... she has even been knocked out by it, one blasst from Quasar onto a weakened shield and she'll be out like a light.



Assuming?... looking and reading actually.

http://img272.imageshack.us/img272/9173/xmenfantasticfour012005teamdcppg15pa4.th.jpg

There's a huge discussion about whether TP effects her even though you can see it right there?

Sue is affected by telepathy ... everyone can see it for themselves right there.
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What has Magneto got to do with anything?

In the scan we donīt know if its a closed force field could be simply a wall, but like i said in a comics different writers put different things sometimes.

just saying that Magneto was stated sometimes having psionic powers that can protect him against telepathy like sue. its the same way that all psychics are invulnerable to pyschics of lesser power, it would have to take someone of amazing power to bypass her force field.

still you are only after IW, saying that without force fields i would loose.
Spawn can create a force field if he wants, he can use telepathy on psylock enter inside her mind and freak her out, he can use magic against your force fields. no one in your team can catch nightcrawler, and how marvel can catch banshee in air? and this is all assuming iīm without force fields. because do you really think a woman that has stood up against the likes of incredible powerful beings, will have a problem with psylocke?

http://img205.imageshack.us/my.php?image=sue2020019mn3.jpg

(sue beating rogue, havoc, dazzler and longshot)

and can someone confirm to me that sound waves can pass trough force fields? or this is completly wrong, because i really have the idea this has happen before, do not underestimate the rest of my team.
and after surfer beats quasar or spawn destroys your force fields, where my team has a chance without force fields yourīs donīt.

Originally posted by Loot
and sue is not the only team member i have, you are even forgeting surfer, after he beats quasar, he will help the team is necessary, i really donÂīt see quasar beating surfer, giving him a hell of a trouble? yes of course

Of course Quasar can beat Surfer... hell, Surfer was fighting for the life of the entire Universe and he couldn't take Quasar down and this time Quasar's armour will be ten times stronger than it was then.

Surfer will be getting drained constantly while his attacks get him nowhere against the quantum armour and Quasar keeps knocking the crap out of him.

http://img277.imageshack.us/img277/1325/quasar050336qc.th.jpg http://img277.imageshack.us/img277/4175/quasar050343zo.th.jpg http://img277.imageshack.us/img277/2900/quasar050387iq.th.jpg

Quasar threw that armour on in an instant, the longer he takes over constructs the stronger they become and he's spent quite a while on his armour this time.

Originally posted by Scoobless
Of course Quasar can beat Surfer... hell, Surfer was fighting for the life of the entire Universe and he couldn't take Quasar down and this time Quasar's armour will be ten times stronger than it was then.

Surfer will be getting drained constantly while his attacks get him nowhere against the quantum armour and Quasar keeps knocking the crap out of him.

http://img277.imageshack.us/img277/1325/quasar050336qc.th.jpg http://img277.imageshack.us/img277/4175/quasar050343zo.th.jpg http://img277.imageshack.us/img277/2900/quasar050387iq.th.jpg

Quasar threw that armour on in an instant, the longer he takes over constructs the stronger they become and he's spent quite a while on his armour this time.

yep 2 hours, that doensīt mean it will be 10 times stronger, that doensīt mean he can take the surfer. in terms of manipulating power? Surfer is power. its thanks to your force fields that this fight will take a lot of time, but eventually with the abbility surfer has of absorbing and manipulating energy, and being physically superior, expecially in terms of speed

you are saying in that fight surfer was fighting for the life of the universe, do you know why his fighting now? the rules make the characters fight for the most important thing for them. Surfer owen quasar in that fight, because your cionstructs have 2 hours of time, iīm not saying he would owe him, just that he would win

Originally posted by Loot
do you really think a woman that has stood up against the likes of incredible powerful beings, will have a problem with psylocke?

http://img205.imageshack.us/my.php?image=sue2020019mn3.jpg

(sue beating rogue, havoc, dazzler and longshot)

and can someone confirm to me that sound waves can pass trough force fields? or this is completly wrong, because i really have the idea this has happen before, do not underestimate the rest of my team.
and after surfer beats quasar or spawn destroys your force fields, where my team has a chance without force fields yourīs donīt.

Yes, because Sue has no defence against telepathy.

She didn't "beat" anyone in that scan, she just redirected Rogue into a car.... the fight later gets broken up.

All force fields are different, Sue's let through Sonic attacks but that doesn't mean other people's will.
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Banshee is never getting through Quasar's shields ... Q would just absorb his energy.

http://img480.imageshack.us/img480/8203/quasar38137pe.th.jpg

There's why Banshee isn't getting through.

Here's why Surfer isn't getting through:

http://img263.imageshack.us/img263/7806/fantasticfour522080ao.th.jpg

http://img263.imageshack.us/img263/2442/fantasticfour522126em.th.jpg

If you're going to rely on energy attacks against Quasar then you have no chance of beating him.

And invisible or not he can detect the exact location of Sue through her power signature.

He only needs an instant (which he can gain by blasting the Surfer off of his board as previously shown) to perform a feat like this:

http://img321.imageshack.us/img321/9435/quasaravengersinfinity0vc8.th.jpg http://img334.imageshack.us/img334/4277/quasaravengersinfinity0mk1.th.jpg

Those things gave Thor a hard fight

Sue's weakened shields couldn't handle that, Spawn would be badly hurt and your street guys would be dead.

Originally posted by Scoobless
Yes, because Sue has no defence against telepathy.

She didn't "beat" anyone in that scan, she just redirected Rogue into a car.... the fight later gets broken up.

All force fields are different, Sue's let through Sonic attacks but that doesn't mean other people's will.
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Banshee is never getting through Quasar's shields ... Q would just absorb his energy.

http://img480.imageshack.us/img480/8203/quasar38137pe.th.jpg

There's why Banshee isn't getting through.

Here's why Surfer isn't getting through:

http://img263.imageshack.us/img263/7806/fantasticfour522080ao.th.jpg

http://img263.imageshack.us/img263/2442/fantasticfour522126em.th.jpg

If you're going to rely on energy attacks against Quasar then you have no chance of beating him.

And invisible or not he can detect the exact location of Sue through her power signature.

He only needs an instant (which he can gain by blasting the Surfer off of his board as previously shown) to perform a feat like this:

http://img321.imageshack.us/img321/9435/quasaravengersinfinity0vc8.th.jpg http://img334.imageshack.us/img334/4277/quasaravengersinfinity0mk1.th.jpg

Those things gave Thor a hard fight

Sue's weakened shields couldn't handle that, Spawn would be badly hurt and your street guys would be dead.

of course but thats because quasar is your herald level, saying he would distract surfer and destroy my team is something surfer can do as well, would your team last against surfer? do i need to find scans of silver surfer feats?

and where does your scan show that sound powers are nothing to quasar shield. and where did it show more impresive feats then surfer? it didnīt (but you maybe correct on banshee since i never saw someone trying this, i was just asking ans saying its a possibility) but something that it is true is that magic can affect quasar constructs, and spwan uses magic.

sue can beat people more powerful then psylock or that scan that i posted
http://img376.imageshack.us/my.php?image=ff22190vp.jpg
http://img376.imageshack.us/my.php?image=ff22204gy.jpg
http://img376.imageshack.us/my.php?image=ff22215tk.jpg
http://img288.imageshack.us/my.php?image=ff22224of.jpg

Originally posted by Loot
yep 2 hours, that doensīt mean it will be 10 times stronger, that doensīt mean he can take the surfer. in terms of manipulating power? Surfer is power. its thanks to your force fields that this fight will take a lot of time, but eventually with the abbility surfer has of absorbing and manipulating energy, and being physically superior, expecially in terms of speed

10 times is just an approximation .. it'll be a hell of a lot tougher than before though.

Surfer is power? ... Quasar is the best power absorber/manipulator in the herald - skyfather weight class.

Surfer isn't faster than Quasar.

Originally posted by Loot
you are saying in that fight surfer was fighting for the life of the universe, do you know why his fighting now? the rules make the characters fight for the most important thing for them. Surfer owen quasar in that fight, because your cionstructs have 2 hours of time, iīm not saying he would owe him, just that he would win

You do realise that fighting for the universe he couldn't beat Quasar in that fight... did you read the text?

Originally posted by Loot
Surfer owen quasar in that fight

I assume that either means "owned" or "won" ... either way it's wrong.

http://img277.imageshack.us/img277/2900/quasar050387iq.th.jpg

Quasar lets the Surfer beat on him so that Order wins and the Universe can be saved.

Notice also that he deliberately drops his quantum armour to do so because with it on the Surfer isn't hurting him much at all.

Originally posted by Scoobless
10 times is just an approximation .. it'll be a hell of a lot tougher than before though.

Surfer is power? ... Quasar is the best power absorber/manipulator in the herald - skyfather weight class.

Surfer isn't faster than Quasar.



You do realise that fighting for the universe he couldn't beat Quasar in that fight... did you read the text?



I assume that either means "owned" or "won" ... either way it's wrong.

http://img277.imageshack.us/img277/2900/quasar050387iq.th.jpg

Quasar lets the Surfer beat on him so that Order wins and the Universe can be saved.

Notice also that he deliberately drops his quantum armour to do so because with it on the Surfer isn't hurting him much at all.

i was confusing this with another fight, didnīt surfer owned quasar in one fight? or maybe iīm confusing things, but yes in this fight quasar lost, it still doensīt mean he can beat surfer. best absorber/manipulator? i donīt think so

and beside that scan where i donīt even know if its only a wall of force field, you havenīt proved that she doensīt have telepathy, but you could say the same of me, iīm just remembering the jean grey fight (she did stop a mental attack even if it was TK) and psy-lord.
But her feats against the like of galactus, celestials (just an example dinīt need to explain why she could break a celestials armor i know), annihulus. sheīs not in her leagues, sheīs mucki more qeak then them, ans she stood up against some of theyīre attacks, and did you see her beating all those guys in the scans, psylocke is not going to be a problem, expecially with spawn in my team.

spawn can create everything he wans, even if it is at enhanced meta is impressive and a way lot better then 50%

http://img204.imageshack.us/my.php?image=spawnbook40961xj.jpg

Invisible woman can open incredibly powerful force fields (and spawn magic will break quasar constructs):

http://img235.imageshack.us/my.php?image=13083realf14bp2.jpg

sue has more impressive feats then psyloce, and remember that this fight is not just sue vs psylocke.

your team is not as fast as mine, even without force fields you will have trouble catching nightcrawler, spawn, invisible woman, even banshee, your team is not exactly composed of people who can fly. And spawn is also a teleporter, i mean spawn is everything he wants.

shang shi and taskmaster are better fighters then anyone on your team.

surfer is faster then quasar and can and will beat quasar, even without the help of others i think he can pull this one on solo. but if comes down tho both of them i think the rest of my team will prevail and help him.

This is going to take a long time to read over, ill post my vote later this evening.

Originally posted by Scoobless
Invisible Woman failing to protect against telepathy:

http://img272.imageshack.us/img272/9173/xmenfantasticfour012005teamdcppg15pa4.th.jpg

I did a little research, Psycho Man does not use telepathy, he uses an element (Element L) that produces "waves" which effect the emotional state of his victims allowing him some degree of control ... It is nothing like telepathy.
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Psylocke attacks Sue, her concentration dissapears, her shields drop, her team is visible, she is easily KOd.


she did however resisted to psycho man psychic attack.
And then i talked about psy-lord who franklin richard had become and he can have telepathy. iīm not saying sheīs completely immune, but highly resistant to it, it qould had to take a more powerful telepath then psylocke to beat her, or at least that fast.

Originally posted by Loot
spawn can create everything he wans, even if it is at enhanced meta is impressive and a way lot better then 50%

http://img204.imageshack.us/my.php?image=spawnbook40961xj.jpg

Invisible woman can open incredibly powerful force fields (and spawn magic will break quasar constructs):

http://img235.imageshack.us/my.php?image=13083realf14bp2.jpg

sue has more impressive feats then psyloce, and remember that this fight is not just sue vs psylocke.

your team is not as fast as mine, even without force fields you will have trouble catching nightcrawler, spawn, invisible woman, even banshee, your team is not exactly composed of people who can fly. And spawn is also a teleporter, i mean spawn is everything he wants.

shang shi and taskmaster are better fighters then anyone on your team.

You just posted another scan where Sue is under mental control ...

I didn't choose my whole team to be fighters, Hawkeye(s) can easily keep Taskmaster/Shang Chi at a distance through a variety of different trick arrows.

Faster?
Wolverine's reflexes >> Nightcrawler's reflexes
Noh-Varr >>>>> Banshee, Nightcrawler, Taskmaster and Shang Chi
Mimic >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> everyone except Surfer

Noh-Varr is faster on the ground than anyone else in this match and stronger than everyone else in the Meta group:

http://img392.imageshack.us/img392/9726/speedstrength1sz7.th.jpg http://img392.imageshack.us/img392/1593/speedstrength2di4.th.jpg http://img480.imageshack.us/img480/8724/speedstrength3fg6.th.jpg http://img392.imageshack.us/img392/9970/speedstrength4aq8.th.jpg

And that's without using his energy weapons.... these things can knock hurt (though not badly hurt) Thing level characters:

http://img367.imageshack.us/img367/430/guns3ol3.th.jpg http://img367.imageshack.us/img367/6563/guns4lt1.th.jpg

Banshee wont know what has hit him ... and as soon as he's shot Banshee down he can easily solo your street guys.

Originally posted by Loot
and beside that scan where i donÂīt even know if its only a wall of force field

http://img313.imageshack.us/img313/5957/inisiblewomantelepathy1ys4.th.jpg

She's gesturing upward and creating a circular field.... it seems like a bubble.... either way, the TP went through no problem.

Originally posted by StarsNeverFall7
This is going to take a long time to read over, ill post my vote later this evening.

Sorry about that ... at least it's only going to last one day.

Originally posted by Scoobless
You just posted another scan where Sue is under mental control ...

I didn't choose my whole team to be fighters, Hawkeye(s) can easily keep Taskmaster/Shang Chi at a distance through a variety of different trick arrows.

Faster?
Wolverine's reflexes >> Nightcrawler's reflexes
Noh-Varr >>>>> Banshee, Nightcrawler, Taskmaster and Shang Chi
Mimic >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> everyone except Surfer

Noh-Varr is faster on the ground than anyone else in this match and stronger than everyone else in the Meta group:

http://img392.imageshack.us/img392/9726/speedstrength1sz7.th.jpg http://img392.imageshack.us/img392/1593/speedstrength2di4.th.jpg http://img480.imageshack.us/img480/8724/speedstrength3fg6.th.jpg http://img392.imageshack.us/img392/9970/speedstrength4aq8.th.jpg

And that's without using his energy weapons.... these things can knock hurt (though not badly hurt) Thing level characters:

http://img367.imageshack.us/img367/430/guns3ol3.th.jpg http://img367.imageshack.us/img367/6563/guns4lt1.th.jpg

Banshee wont know what has hit him ... and as soon as he's shot Banshee down he can easily solo your street guys.

i never said she coulnīt be mind controlled, i said her shield could block telepathy, of course not telepathy from the phoenix or nate grey.

finnaly you talked about marvel, i couldnīt say much about him i donīt know him, but your underestimating banshee, he can fly, marvel canīt, he can shield himself with his powers, he can affect marvel equilibrium putting him down. but i realise marvel is excelent it may take more of my people to take him down, both spawn and sue can do it, and banshee with the help of kurt has a better chance, still iīm hust saying banshee has a good chance of doing it alone, donīt underestimate him.


Wolverine's reflexes are not faster then Nightcrawler's reflexes, and the teleportation kinda gives night the advantage

you said mimic was faster then everyone except surfer, but your wrong, spawn can become faster then mimic.

Forgot to add this part:

Originally posted by Loot
sue can beat people more powerful then psylock or that scan that i posted
http://img376.imageshack.us/my.php?image=ff22190vp.jpg
http://img376.imageshack.us/my.php?image=ff22204gy.jpg
http://img376.imageshack.us/my.php?image=ff22215tk.jpg
http://img288.imageshack.us/my.php?image=ff22224of.jpg



Gotta love the off panel comedy fights ... reminds me of those old cartoons where the character would run off the page, there'd be a loud clatter, then he'd walk back on with a burst drumkit round his neck



Psylocke is our long range character, she isn't getting physically involved (as her powers don't require her to) ... she's staying hidden a few miles from the main battlesite. Sue will never know where she is.

Originally posted by Scoobless

Psylocke is our long range character, she isn't getting physically involved (as her powers don't require her to) ... she's staying hidden a few miles from the main battlesite. Sue will never know where she is.

but surfer and spawn will.

didnīt i mention surfer has telepathy as well?

Originally posted by Loot
you said mimic was faster then everyone except surfer, but your wrong, spawn can become faster then mimic.

Can become? ... maybe ... but does he have a couple years experience fighting at that speed?

There are a few different levels of power for Spawn ... if he can gain any power he wants and create anything he wants as you've said a couple of times it seems like you're using a higher level Spawn to the one you drafted.

No-one else in the Enhanced Meta category can manipulate matter, give themselves any power, become faster/stronger/more durable/whatever just because they feel like it.

I wouldn't mind some clarification on the limits of E-Meta version Spawn ... or possibly a ruling from Evangel as to what he is and is not permitted to do here.

Originally posted by Loot
but surfer and spawn will.

didnīt i mention surfer has telepathy as well?

Since when is Surfer a telepath?

I have scans showing Surfer being telepathically controlled.

Originally posted by Scoobless
Since when is Surfer a telepath?

I have scans showing Surfer being telepathically controlled.



err psylocke is a telepath, she was mind controled before .
Being a telepath doensīt mean you canīt be mind controled (by the way in your scans is it his mind or soul being controlled?)

and yes surfer is a telepath, thats the way he knows how to comunicate with all the life forms in the universe, and the way he send messages trough space, he once send one to some persons in earth, i can scan it if you want?

he donīt use his telepathy to attack, donīt even know if he can, but iīm just saying je can comunicate trough telepathy (that i can prove) and he can find psylocke and tell the others about her.

Here's a trick Banshee and Nightcrawler will hate. As soon as he gets within range Noh-Varr can pull out his Pocket Battlefield:

http://img513.imageshack.us/img513/8002/pocketbattlefield1eh2.th.jpg http://img513.imageshack.us/img513/9161/pocketbattlefield2is0.th.jpg

Physics is so messed up in there that those guys freaked out just because there senses went a little funny, those shields are/were adamantium by the way, brittle as thin ice in the PB .... as an enhanced Kree Super Soldier with genius level intellect Noh-Varr can handle those situations ... try teleporting or using a sonic scream when you have no idea what the result will be.



Hmm ... if adamantium cracks like dry pasta in there I wonder what would happen to a supposedly indestructible Surfer.... or his energy blasts.

Originally posted by Scoobless
Can become? ... maybe ... but does he have a couple years experience fighting at that speed?

There are a few different levels of power for Spawn ... if he can gain any power he wants and create anything he wants as you've said a couple of times it seems like you're using a higher level Spawn to the one you drafted.

No-one else in the Enhanced Meta category can manipulate matter, give themselves any power, become faster/stronger/more durable/whatever just because they feel like it.

I wouldn't mind some clarification on the limits of E-Meta version Spawn ... or possibly a ruling from Evangel as to what he is and is not permitted to do here.



its early spawn, he can create things but not at herald level power, no wear near. like mimic he can use the powers he wants at enhanced meta level, iīm not manipulating annybodyīs with him.
iīm just saying spawn uses magic, mimic not, mimic can copy powers so can spawn, if mimic copies a power of a meta level it will be at 50% of the meta character and spawn can copy it at 100% meta level, its just that.

I think we should try to keep posts as short as possible from now on ... no-ne is going to want to trudge through page after page of us just going back and forth....

Or maybe they will ... shrug

Originally posted by Scoobless
Here's a trick Banshee and Nightcrawler will hate. As soon as he gets within range Noh-Varr can pull out his Pocket Battlefield:

http://img513.imageshack.us/img513/8002/pocketbattlefield1eh2.th.jpg http://img513.imageshack.us/img513/9161/pocketbattlefield2is0.th.jpg

Physics is so messed up in there that those guys freaked out just because there senses went a little funny, those shields are/were adamantium by the way, brittle as thin ice in the PB .... as an enhanced Kree Super Soldier with genius level intellect Noh-Varr can handle those situations ... try teleporting or using a sonic scream when you have no idea what the result will be.



Hmm ... if adamantium cracks like dry pasta in there I wonder what would happen to a supposedly indestructible Surfer.... or his energy blasts.



and you were talking about spawn, you canīt use all Noh-Varr technology, that may put him above meta.

Originally posted by Scoobless
I think we should try to keep posts as short as possible from now on ... no-ne is going to want to trudge through page after page of us just going back and forth....

Or maybe they will ... shrug

your probably right. but i have to go now, need to get some sleep tomorrow is a busy day, donīt know if i can come here tomorrow, but i will try.

you are a tough one scoob, iīll have to post my special strategy that i was saving.
Picture this, taskmaster since heīs the least moral one, would say to spawn that if he won this battle he could have her wife back. And then he would say to surfer that quasar had rapped Shalla-Bal.
After this surfer and spawn would be unstoppable.

Originally posted by Loot
and you were talking about spawn, you canīt use all Noh-Varr technology, that may put him above meta.

I know ... and I'm leaving out his more powerful weapons (as I didn't know he had them when I drafted him)

The PB isn't really a weapon though ... it's weird.... I'm not fully sure how it works myself.

I only threw it out there cos it could be funny if Nightcrawler tried to teleport and, instead, blew himself to pieces or something.

Originally posted by Loot
Picture this, taskmaster since heīs the least moral one, would say to spawn that if he won this battle he could have her wife back. And then he would say to surfer that quasar had rapped Shalla-Bal.
After this surfer and spawn would be unstoppable.

That's cheating.



(and rape is almost never funny)

One last thing for the moment ... all Noh-Varr needs to do is spit on people and they start to hallucinate (because of the nanites in his system)

http://img513.imageshack.us/img513/1762/spit1sc9.th.jpg http://img510.imageshack.us/img510/7443/spit2fingernailgo4.th.jpg

Cool Fingernail trick as well... oh yeah ... I forgot that he doesn't feel pain like normal people.

Loot simply doesn't seem like he could win this...

His arguments about TP not being able to penetrate forcefields isn't compelling at all, and he simply hasn't done much to counter Scoobs Strategy.

voting scoobs

Scoobless has presented a stronger case IMO. The Invisible Womens' forcefields let telepathy through...the panel art clearly depicts a bubble...and Mimics speed will pose a problem. Spawn creating powers out of thin air i.e. Super Speed etc of his own...seems a bit iffy I thought the tourney was trying to prevent this type of tactic?...In the end I think this fight(Like the previous two) come down to the Heralds...and Scoobs just presents his case better and has backed everything up with scans.(i.e. Quasars' Construct Shield, Telepathy/Forcefield etc)

Vote goes to Scoobs.

Originally posted by Scoobless
That's cheating.



(and rape is almost never funny)



Unless you're raping a clown.

And, my vote goes to Scoob.

Loot there are ways to win, but ill let you figure that out, otherwise my vote also goes to scoobless.

Originally posted by ExodusCloak
Scoobless has presented a stronger case IMO. The Invisible Womens' forcefields let telepathy through...the panel art clearly depicts a bubble...and Mimics speed will pose a problem. Spawn creating powers out of thin air i.e. Super Speed etc of his own...seems a bit iffy I thought the tourney was trying to prevent this type of tactic?...In the end I think this fight(Like the previous two) come down to the Heralds...and Scoobs just presents his case better and has backed everything up with scans.(i.e. Quasars' Construct Shield, Telepathy/Forcefield etc)

Vote goes to Scoobs.



Let's be honest Sue can create different strength, sized, thicknesses, and shaped force fields. Just because "MAYBE" per that writer the TP got through that particular field...whose to say that Sue was using a real strong or thick version of it. I know that I've seen Sue block TP and TK in many occasions with her fields.


At this point and time my vote is for Loot... The SS and Spawn and Sue grouping is too tough for scoobs team IMO.

I'm voting for Loot for now. Not sure about Sue's force fields, but I don't think Quasar can beat Surfer. Also, AoA 'crawler's a beast.

Scoobs for now presenting quite a better argument, lets see what Loot comes up tommorrow.. His got quite a bit of option at his disposal..

As of now, Scoobs has my vote. He has laid out a better attack plan, and I also know what Quasar is capable of. Things Silver Surfer failed to do.

Okay, Scoob has my straight out vote.

Am I the only one that has found this battle a pain in the ass to follow? Im leaning towards Scoobless, mainly because he has presented a much clearer and more understandable case. I personally feel Surfer is above Quasar, but in this Tournament, what we think or feel isn't the case.

Ill post my vote after I get done trying to figure out some of the posts thus far and come to a better conclusion.

I'm extending the match time of this thread to saturday.

Sue Kill Just about everyone besides Quasar instantly...who loses to Silver Surfer anyways

She gives everyone brain and heart anuerism's and suffocates wolverine

Originally posted by Evangel94
I'm extending the match time of this thread to saturday.

What? ... why? .. dammit ... I wouldn't have posted so much in a row if this was going to get drawn out.

Originally posted by Tony Stark
Sue can create different strength, sized, thicknesses, and shaped force fields. Just because "MAYBE" per that writer the TP got through that particular field...whose to say that Sue was using a real strong or thick version of it. I know that I've seen Sue block TP and TK in many occasions with her fields.

Thickness is irrelevant, sound, light and telepathic attacks have no problem going through Sue's fields.

Sue cannot block TP.

Why is it that everyone who "knows they've seen Sue block tp" can't remember where or when?

Maybe because it's never happened?

Originally posted by King KAM
Sue Kill Just about everyone besides Quasar instantly...who loses to Silver Surfer anyways

She gives everyone brain and heart anuerism's and suffocates wolverine

One hit kill tactics such as opening fields inside people's brains/hearts were banned from the start.

A few of you seem to "feel" that Surfer beats Quasar regardless of what has actually transpired in the comics.

I put this down to Surfer's over-hyped rep on KMC.

Quasar has showings that are equally as good as anything Surfer has pulled out and even better in a lot of cases (especially if those cases involve people who heavily rely on energy based abilities... such as Heralds)

Very early in his career Quasar handled Firelord with no problems (while tired) and he has only gotten better since then:

http://img363.imageshack.us/img363/7799/quasarvsfl1ot0.th.jpg http://img363.imageshack.us/img363/316/quasarvsfl2rh8.th.jpg

Surfer is a cosmic battery, sure ... but Quasar has an entire universe of energy to draw on... he has no limits on how much he can absorb simply because it doesn't get stored in his body, the Quantum bands shunt it into the quantum universe/dimension... surfer, on the other hand, can be overloaded.

Quasar succeeds where Surfer fails:

http://img16.imageshack.us/img16/3060/maximumsecurity3265qp.th.jpg http://img16.imageshack.us/img16/6610/maximumsecurity3270yf.th.jpg http://img16.imageshack.us/img16/9394/maximumsecurity3291nq.th.jpg http://img512.imageshack.us/img512/710/maximumsecurity3352jq.th.jpg

Loot seems to have the stronger team, Scoobless seems to be attempting a better strategy, but both are about hard as hell to follow to me anyways.

Does more adaptive Quantam Bands really mean more powerful?

Originally posted by StarsNeverFall7
Does more adaptive Quantam Bands really mean more powerful?

Not necessarily ... but they have much more options and are equally powerful when it comes to energy discharges (but I don't think Q can manipulate matter .... which doesn't really matter in this tourney)

I knew it would be an uphill struggle arguing against the Surfer from the start just because of the way people on KMC view him ... there are so many threads like "Surfer Vs The Entire Justice League" or "Surfer Vs DC Earth".



A problem with a lot of those threads are that they are argued on by reputation only... I doubt half the participants have read anything featuring Surfer outside the Infinity Gauntlet stories.

And even less people seem to have a decent working knowledge of Quasar (which is why I have to post all the scans).



I just hope this entire tourney isn't pre-decided just because someone got to the Herald draft thread first and got Surfer before the next person could.

Nah, scans show alot, but in something like this it really doesn't come down to that, at least to me anyway. Its character potential and how well you can work that potential to your favor, which Quasar and SS have alot of potential and often arn't written that way.

So far it seems to be a pretty even fight, Im just having a hell of a time following some of the posts and debates.

I donīt have scans only the ones i can find in KMC, i donīt have the comic when sue portects against psy lord, and donīt know the number because in here its more difficult to get some comics.

you are proving sue canīt protect of TP in one scan, a scan where she is separating thing from wolverine, sheīs not prepared to fight a telepath, really in a comic fight no way sue gets beaten by psylocke. And i proved that she stopped a mental attack with her shield, it was TK but a mental attack jean couldnīt use it inside sueīs shield. Still psylocke canīt put her uselless trough TP its only allowed a degree of TP attack, sue would still be able to knock her out. She canīt pur a shield inside her head, but she can put it outside, i would like to see psylock trying to use TP at the same time she is having problems with breathing

you are basing your victory in psylocke TP, but surfer can destroy her easily.
Or spawn can simply teleport besides psylocke and kill her, magic attacks can affect quasar shields.

And if this doenīs work then i have to do something i didnīt want, i have to sacrifice nightcrawler, he would teleport into psylockeīs body, if you donīt have telepathic attacs, your team goes down fast.

and donīt say quasar can beat surfer based in information that you donīt have, you cannot prove that, you are just saying most people thinks he would win and are wrong, no they arenīt, we donīt have a real fight between them, surfer has the same or more impressive feats then quasar. you are saying heīs underrated, no sue storm is the one underrated here.
ANd we canīt use matter manipulation in the characters to turn them in something else, it doensīt mean surfer canīt use his matter manipulation powers in the scenario.

Originally posted by StarsNeverFall7
which Quasar and SS have alot of potential and often arn't written that way.


exactly,
but in here its surfer not holding back, we all know that if he gives everything in a fight he is one of the best, see his fight against morg.

Not to mention the abbility he has to seek the weak points of adversaries, he has done so many times, example: in annihialation (before the upgrade) when he beats ravenous and his boys.

Originally posted by Tony Stark
Let's be honest Sue can create different strength, sized, thicknesses, and shaped force fields. Just because "MAYBE" per that writer the TP got through that particular field...whose to say that Sue was using a real strong or thick version of it. I know that I've seen Sue block TP and TK in many occasions with her fields.


At this point and time my vote is for Loot... The SS and Spawn and Sue grouping is too tough for scoobs team IMO.

Assuming much aren't we? Honest? Do you have a scan or issue number of her blocking telepathy? I have yet to this...even when KMC had this Sue/TP epidemic going on...no one could prove that she could. That scan clearly shows her encased in a bubble and being effected by telepathy.

BTW Telepathy and Telekinesis do not work by the same concept...especially since it works over light years(Lilandra and X still communicate via telepathy) and is inter dimensional.(Jean and Mikhails people)

My vote still stands..

Originally posted by Loot
sue would still be able to knock her out. She canīt pur a shield inside her head, but she can put it outside, i would like to see psylock trying to use TP at the same time she is having problems with breathing

Sue needs to know were someone is to use a field, she does not know where Psylocke is in this battle.

Originally posted by Loot
you are basing your victory in psylocke TP

No, I'm not, I'm only using TP to confuse/restrain Sue (at the moment) via telepathic "bolts" and illusions.

Originally posted by Loot
And if this doenīs work then i have to do something i didnīt want, i have to sacrifice nightcrawler, he would teleport into psylockeīs body

Illegal move, One hit kills like that are banned (Which you knew when you posted that Sue can't create fields inside of heads)

Originally posted by Loot
and donīt say quasar can beat surfer based in information that you donīt have, you cannot prove that

I didn't say I "proved" it, I just said they fought before with no prep and Surfer never managed to beat Quasar.

I'm debating that, with prep, Quasar creates a much more formidable protective armour and makes it far, far harder for the Surfer than it ever could have been before in any comic.

Which means that Quasar doesn't need to worry much about defence during the actual fight and can focus most of his energy on taking Surfer down.

Originally posted by Loot
you are just saying most people thinks he would win and are wrong

I'm saying that a lot of people are predicting a Surfer win solely based on his KMC reputation (which is over rated and under researched)
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Originally posted by Loot
in here its surfer not holding back, we all know that if he gives everything in a fight he is one of the best, see his fight against morg.

That fight I posted was also of Surfer "not holding back" ... and it still didn't get him a win against an unprepared Quasar.

Originally posted by Scoobless



Illegal move, One hit kills like that are banned (Which you knew when you posted that Sue can't create fields inside of heads)

.

its not illegal because my character dies too, if i blast someone in the heart he will die with one hit is that ilegal? iīm not ripping her head with nightcrawlers power, iīm scacrificing the live of one of my teammates to kill another one of your team.

iīve just remembered, that silver surfer can fight against quasar and send his surfboard to help his team mates, some hits of the board in psylocke and she gets konocked out .

Surferīs board power:

surferīs board power (continuation)

How long is this fight staying up til? Its going to take a bit more to get a solid vote in..

Iīve been trying to find some scans of surfer found him beating ronan:
http://www.silver-surfer.us/Original_Art/Original_Art_Gallery/ss_25_page_29.jpg

healing (quasar canīt heal anyone)

http://www.silver-surfer.us/Original_Art/Original_Art_Gallery/cpu4-31_h66pony.jpg

ways that he can use his molecular powers int his fight:

phasing
http://www.killermovies.com/forums/attachment.php?s=&postid=5397090

and in battlefield:

How do i post more then one image that iīve saved in my computer?

in here surfer is fighting a guy that had Gladiator energy + years of absorbing powers(he absorb countless) + Uni power and surfer beats him while he was trying to absorb his power

i know your shields will be stronger, but normal quasar shield doensīt seem to do much to surfer:
http://photobucket.com/albums/b305/surfistaprateado/CosmicPowersUnlimited05-10.jpg

it will take more time but he can take this fight

If invisible woman canīt use her force fields to protect my team, surf will do it, can you beat them now?

http://photobucket.com/albums/b305/surfistaprateado/Silver_Surfer_1997_125_26.jpg

if you need proves that surfer has telepathy:

Telepathic skills

Access telepathically the memories of a living ship
http://photobucket.com/albums/b305/.../MCP-069-32.jpg

Resists a Telepathic bolt form Moondragon (Infinity crusade #3)
http://photobucket.com/albums/b305/...rusade03-34.jpg

Talks to Nova across the Universe
http://photobucket.com/albums/b305/...teado/SS_14.jpg

Read the thoughts of an old woman and make holograms of it
http://photobucket.com/albums/b305/...r_v3_134p15.jpg

i donīt know if its allowed for surfer to heal his team members, probably not

Healing

Heals Thor
http://photobucket.com/albums/b305/...s_v2_012_38.jpg

Heals Alicia Masters
http://photobucket.com/albums/b305/...vourer6-36a.jpg

gets attacked by a intergalactic force and doensīt seems concerned at all
http://photobucket.com/albums/b305/...sters_2_009.jpg



More ways of using his rearraging molecules power that are allowed by the rules:
Changing matter to energy
http://img198.imageshack.us/img198/...erenergy3gb.jpg

Resizes Metropolis
http://photobucket.com/albums/b305/...1997_001_45.jpg

Silver Surfer Phasing again
http://marvelite.prohosting.com/sur...ssue1/gal5s.jpg

Tells the Thing that he can see past, present and Future (in the prep time he could see the future to see how he copuld win the fight lolol, sorry i couldnīt resist)

http://photobucket.com/albums/b305/...r_v3_138_06.jpg


Sorry to all for the multiple posts, iīm not at home and iīm having problems with this computer, and some doubts about the correct way of doing this, once again sorry for the inconvinient.

I've figured out whats making this so hard to judge, its a feat war now, or so it seems.

Originally posted by Loot
iīve just remembered, that silver surfer can fight against quasar and send his surfboard to help his team mates, some hits of the board in psylocke and she gets konocked out

Surfer without board = sitting target ... very bad move.



Originally posted by Loot
Iīve been trying to find some scans of surfer found him beating ronan:
http://www.silver-surfer.us/Original_Art/Original_Art_Gallery/ss_25_page_29.jpg

healing (quasar canīt heal anyone)

http://www.silver-surfer.us/Original_Art/Original_Art_Gallery/cpu4-31_h66pony.jpg

ways that he can use his molecular powers int his fight:

phasing
http://www.killermovies.com/forums/attachment.php?s=&postid=5397090

Ronan is so far below Herald level that that "feat" means nothing.

He wont have time to heal anyone as Quasar will be kicking the crap out of him



That isn't phasing, he's rearranging the molecules in front of him to let him through.

Originally posted by Loot
If invisible woman canīt use her force fields to protect my team, surf will do it, can you beat them now?

http://photobucket.com/albums/b305/surfistaprateado/Silver_Surfer_1997_125_26.jpg

http://photobucket.com/albums/b305/.../MCP-069-32.jpg

http://photobucket.com/albums/b305/...rusade03-34.jpg

http://photobucket.com/albums/b305/...teado/SS_14.jpg

http://photobucket.com/albums/b305/...r_v3_134p15.jpg

http://photobucket.com/albums/b305/...s_v2_012_38.jpg

http://photobucket.com/albums/b305/...vourer6-36a.jpg

http://photobucket.com/albums/b305/...sters_2_009.jpg

http://img198.imageshack.us/img198/...erenergy3gb.jpg

http://marvelite.prohosting.com/sur...ssue1/gal5s.jpg

http://photobucket.com/albums/b305/...r_v3_138_06.jpg


Most of your scans aren't working (mainly the Photobucket ones)

Surfer wont be holding shields over anyone when he's fighting someone himself... his fields require his constant energy input to stay up ... unlike Quasar's.

Originally posted by StarsNeverFall7
I've figured out whats making this so hard to judge, its a feat war now, or so it seems.

I used a few scans at the start in order to illistrate that Quasar would be doing much better than he has in the past.

All these healing/matter manip scans have nothing to do with anything though.

Nah scoobs, wasn't really referring to you in that one. You're atleast attempting to place strategy with the scans listed instead of just posting them wildly of feats.

I'm assuming these fights are more on strategy and less on just posting scans. In which case I vote Scoobs, as he's made a good effort to put forward a solid strategy.

And I'm of the opinion Sue Storm's forcefields do not block telepathy, considering the only instance in which she has is incredibly specious, in the same issue she somehow uses telepathy -- which makes no sense.

Originally posted by StarsNeverFall7
Nah scoobs, wasn't really referring to you in that one. You're atleast attempting to place strategy with the scans listed instead of just posting them wildly of feats.

it was meant to show what the characters can do since it seems necessary to prove everything we say about characters, but point taken

Originally posted by Scoobless
Surfer without board = sitting target ... very bad move.





Ronan is so far below Herald level that that "feat" means nothing.

He wont have time to heal anyone as Quasar will be kicking the crap out of him



That isn't phasing, he's rearranging the molecules in front of him to let him through.



Most of your scans aren't working (mainly the Photobucket ones)

Surfer wont be holding shields over anyone when he's fighting someone himself... his fields require his constant energy input to stay up ... unlike Quasar's.

strange they were working just fine. but your right some arenīt working indeed

Iīve posted surfer breaking a quasar shield with no effort at all, like i said your shields will be more powerful, but still breaking them like they were nothing means a lot.
http://photobucket.com/albums/b305/...imited05-10.jpg

You are all talking about strategy, i said nightcrwaler could teleport himself into psylocke they would both die, its a kamikaze strategy that is allowed by the rules, without psylocke your team goes down faster.

iīve showed scans with what surfer can do with his board, while he keeps quasar busy., his board would beat psylocke.
you said surfer was nothing without his board? your wrong surfer can use his cosmic power to fly, the board his part of surfer, and he probably can built 2 surfboards, or do i have to find a scan where someone breaks surfer board and he builds another one in 5 seconds?

And you still didnīt make a decent strategy to take out spawn a guy that can teleport and use his magic to KO mimic, pyslocke, marvel etc. Of course mimic will be tough, both attacking each other both regenerating, but at the end spawn can beat mimic like iīve explained before.
Not to mention when your teamīs shields dissapear banshee scream will mess your team bad, and this is because i donīt have proof that sonics can enter trough your shield, like iīve said it was a possibility i have no idea if it could happen. i know it happened before but not with quasar, still qith was a tough

My vote goes to Scoobs.

Loot, it is up to you to prove that somehow your team can block telepathic attacks. Until then, you're screwed, because according to the scans Scoobs posted, Sue can't. It's up to you to prove otherwise.

Apart from that, the teams are pretty equal, except from Spawn (who, however, as far as I know, is vulnerable to telepathic attacks as well - he's still got a human brain). The Spawn I know is the early Spawn, and he's a monster. His only weakness (apart from telepathic attacks, which you have to disprove, Loot) was that he only had a finite amount of power. But as long as he stayed within that reserve, he could do just about anything he could think of. His methods were crude, but effective, like his teleportation.

Therefore, if you, Loot, can prove somehow that your team is invulnerable to telepathic attacks by Psylocke, you will win my vote, because I think Spawn will swing the battle in your favour. Scoobs himself said his team don't know much about Spawn, and will depend on Psylocke to get that information for them.

Quasar with shields is at least Surfer's equal, Scoobs has proved. And both teams have shields. I really think the battle depends on the telepathic attack/defence issues first, and on Spawn second.

But Scoobs's team with the telepathic assault so far has the edge.

Just my opinion, of course.

Originally posted by Dreampanther
My vote goes to Scoobs.

Loot, it is up to you to prove that somehow your team can block telepathic attacks. Until then, you're screwed, because according to the scans Scoobs posted, Sue can't. It's up to you to prove otherwise.

Apart from that, the teams are pretty equal, except from Spawn (who, however, as far as I know, is vulnerable to telepathic attacks as well - he's still got a human brain). The Spawn I know is the early Spawn, and he's a monster. His only weakness (apart from telepathic attacks, which you have to disprove, Loot) was that he only had a finite amount of power. But as long as he stayed within that reserve, he could do just about anything he could think of. His methods were crude, but effective, like his teleportation.

Therefore, if you, Loot, can prove somehow that your team is invulnerable to telepathic attacks by Psylocke, you will win my vote, because I think Spawn will swing the battle in your favour. Scoobs himself said his team don't know much about Spawn, and will depend on Psylocke to get that information for them.

Quasar with shields is at least Surfer's equal, Scoobs has proved. And both teams have shields. I really think the battle depends on the telepathic attack/defence issues first, and on Spawn second.

But Scoobs's team with the telepathic assault so far has the edge.

Just my opinion, of course.

its going to be difficult to prove that since its much more dificult to get comics here, i mean if you want to buy a F4 comic book you have to go to a store that imports comics from the US, and thereīs only one or two in a city near by, where i live the access to comics is limited, still that is my problem.

Iīve stated more plans to kill psyloke, like nightcrawler teleporting to where she is killing her and himself as well.
but if you still think that i will loose, its ok, altough i still think sue is so much more powerful then psylocke

Does anyone have the comic book where invisible woman as malice i think fought psy-lord aka franklin richards?

Originally posted by Dreampanther
My vote goes to Scoobs.

Loot, it is up to you to prove that somehow your team can block telepathic attacks. Until then, you're screwed, because according to the scans Scoobs posted, Sue can't. It's up to you to prove otherwise.

Apart from that, the teams are pretty equal, except from Spawn (who, however, as far as I know, is vulnerable to telepathic attacks as well - he's still got a human brain). The Spawn I know is the early Spawn, and he's a monster. His only weakness (apart from telepathic attacks, which you have to disprove, Loot) was that he only had a finite amount of power. But as long as he stayed within that reserve, he could do just about anything he could think of. His methods were crude, but effective, like his teleportation.

Therefore, if you, Loot, can prove somehow that your team is invulnerable to telepathic attacks by Psylocke, you will win my vote, because I think Spawn will swing the battle in your favour. Scoobs himself said his team don't know much about Spawn, and will depend on Psylocke to get that information for them.

Quasar with shields is at least Surfer's equal, Scoobs has proved. And both teams have shields. I really think the battle depends on the telepathic attack/defence issues first, and on Spawn second.

But Scoobs's team with the telepathic assault so far has the edge.

Just my opinion, of course.

For the tournament both Spawn and Vindicator had their abilities limied ... it was decided that they could be taken down if enough damage was sustained and that they weren't completely invulnerable to earthly weapons.

So basically I sicced Mimic on him in full battle mode while Psylocke does her thing far from the battlefield.

I meant Violator.

yeah but mimic is still not man enought to beat spawn, and psylocke isnīt going to take down spawn either. if spawns enters inside psylockes mind sheīs finished.

idk who to vote for, but i think scoobs team has the better team though...so my vote goes to him. but loot, your doin a hell of a job

Originally posted by Maestro
Loot there are ways to win, but ill let you figure that out, otherwise my vote also goes to scoobless.

you got to tell me this at the end then

Originally posted by Scoobless
I meant Violator.



You got Alpha Flight on your mind

Originally posted by King_Mungi
You got Alpha Flight on your mind

Doesn't everyone?

Hmmmm .... AAAAlpha Flight

droolio

Still having a hell of a time leaning one way or the other, hopefully theres some really good points that get brought up this evening.

Originally posted by Scoobless
Doesn't everyone?

Hmmmm .... AAAAlpha Flight

droolio

their dead...you sick freak

Originally posted by StarsNeverFall7
Still having a hell of a time leaning one way or the other, hopefully theres some really good points that get brought up this evening.

I thought we were winding it down a notch now ....

I may post something later... but I'll keep it as brief as possible.

Nah its not that, detail is always good. Its more of alot of this is so close on the teams and such it makes it really hard to say one way or the other. Hoping for some good points to come up to get that extra edge.

Originally posted by Scoobless
Thickness is irrelevant, sound, light and telepathic attacks have no problem going through Sue's fields.

Sue cannot block TP.

Why is it that everyone who "knows they've seen Sue block tp" can't remember where or when?

Maybe because it's never happened?



One hit kill tactics such as opening fields inside people's brains/hearts were banned from the start.

A few of you seem to "feel" that Surfer beats Quasar regardless of what has actually transpired in the comics.

I put this down to Surfer's over-hyped rep on KMC.

Quasar has showings that are equally as good as anything Surfer has pulled out and even better in a lot of cases (especially if those cases involve people who heavily rely on energy based abilities... such as Heralds)

Very early in his career Quasar handled Firelord with no problems (while tired) and he has only gotten better since then:

http://img363.imageshack.us/img363/7799/quasarvsfl1ot0.th.jpg http://img363.imageshack.us/img363/316/quasarvsfl2rh8.th.jpg

Surfer is a cosmic battery, sure ... but Quasar has an entire universe of energy to draw on... he has no limits on how much he can absorb simply because it doesn't get stored in his body, the Quantum bands shunt it into the quantum universe/dimension... surfer, on the other hand, can be overloaded.

Quasar succeeds where Surfer fails:

http://img16.imageshack.us/img16/3060/maximumsecurity3265qp.th.jpg http://img16.imageshack.us/img16/6610/maximumsecurity3270yf.th.jpg http://img16.imageshack.us/img16/9394/maximumsecurity3291nq.th.jpg http://img512.imageshack.us/img512/710/maximumsecurity3352jq.th.jpg well what if sue suffocates everyone is that still one hit kill?? i mean, technically they would have time to scramble around, and if she busted all there appendixes it wouldnt kill them....just make them roll on the ground in pain

Originally posted by King KAM
well what if sue suffocates everyone is that still one hit kill?? i mean, technically they would have time to scramble around, and if she busted all there appendixes it wouldnt kill them....just make them roll on the ground in pain

Sue isn't standing around doing whatever she wants, she is under a constant telepathic assault and having illusions forced into her head.... she wouldn't be capable of any decent attack and what little she could manage would be aimed at false images.

marvel says psylocke lost her TP

Originally posted by King KAM
marvel says psylocke lost her TP

This is classic Psylocke.

Originally posted by Scoobless
I put this down to Surfer's over-hyped rep on KMC.

Best statement of the entire match.

Why is KAM suddenly arguing against Scoob? If you wanted to debate, you should've entered. Leave this between Scoob and Loot.

Originally posted by DigiMark007
Why is KAM suddenly arguing against Scoob? If you wanted to debate, you should've entered. Leave this between Scoob and Loot.

Because he has a boner for Sue.

Originally posted by DigiMark007
Why is KAM suddenly arguing against Scoob? If you wanted to debate, you should've entered. Leave this between Scoob and Loot. shaddup, i do what i wishOriginally posted by batdude123
Because he has a boner for Sue. not as much as i got one for mary jane...

your saying that psylocke would put everybody useless using her TP, thats exaggerating, knowing there are limits in the rules about TP. She cannot put my entire team useless and nightcrawler would teleport "inside" her killing each other, but enough with this strategy, it seem nobody thinks it can work. but i still believe sue storm is highly resistant to telepathy.


Quasar shields can block telepathy, so spawn would copy his shield (your team his using them he would mimic those shields) and put one protecting invisible woman, if Sheīs protected against TP now, She can create force fields for my entire team, and destroy psylocke once and for all. She can put force bubbles in everybody's mouth, she can create weapons to kill them etc. and i still have spawn, nightcrawaler from aoa heīs used to war, banshee, shang shi, and taskmaster while surfer his fighting quasar and probably beating him.
And this is all assuming invisible woman needs help dealing with psylocke, because She wouldnīt

Originally posted by ExodusCloak
Assuming much aren't we? Honest? Do you have a scan or issue number of her blocking telepathy? I have yet to this...even when KMC had this Sue/TP epidemic going on...no one could prove that she could. That scan clearly shows her encased in a bubble and being effected by telepathy.

BTW Telepathy and Telekinesis do not work by the same concept...especially since it works over light years(Lilandra and X still communicate via telepathy) and is inter dimensional.(Jean and Mikhails people)

My vote still stands..



Even if her fields couldn't block it which she has shown that they can...Her normal costume has them built in already from her husband...You may have heard of him Reed Richards the smartest hero ever and the guy who built a machine to travel to HEAVEN and back.

Or maybe the picture shows that the others are encased in the field and that she is between them and it looks as if she's in it when she is actually not and she's in the middle...?

Originally posted by Loot
your saying that psylocke would put everybody useless using her TP

nightcrawler would teleport "inside" her killing each other

Quasar shields can block telepathy, so spawn would copy his shield

I said Psylocke would attack the Invisible Woman, no one else.

Nightcrawler has no idea where she is and teleporting into someone is against the rules.

If Spawn can copy Quasar's abilities then he definitely is not E-Meta and you have drafted an illegal character.

Originally posted by Tony Stark
Or maybe the picture shows that the others are encased in the field and that she is between them and it looks as if she's in it when she is actually not and she's in the middle...?

Nope.

http://img313.imageshack.us/img313/5957/inisiblewomantelepathy1ys4.th.jpg

Originally posted by Scoobless
Nope.

http://img313.imageshack.us/img313/5957/inisiblewomantelepathy1ys4.th.jpg


Per that crappy writer and YES he was crappy... That whole series sucked donkey balls.

It's common knowledge that after the Onslaught saga that Reed installed both TK and TP blocks into the groups suits as did Tony to his suits in fact they calibrated on them.

Tony why are you debating? It's between Scoobless and Loot.

Loot you need those scans of Sue blocking Psi-Lords TP really badly to sway the votes, even then I know a counter-argument to those scans so you hope scoob doesn't find out.

Originally posted by Scoobless
I said Psylocke would attack the Invisible Woman, no one else.

Nightcrawler has no idea where she is and teleporting into someone is against the rules.

If Spawn can copy Quasar's abilities then he definitely is not E-Meta and you have drafted an illegal character. how does psylocke find invisible woman so easily????

My vote goes to Scoob

My vote goes to scoob. Hes kept consistant and has done his best to bring valid points. Very hard choice though might I add.

Originally posted by Tony Stark
Even if her fields couldn't block it which she has shown that they can...Her normal costume has them built in already from her husband...You may have heard of him Reed Richards the smartest hero ever and the guy who built a machine to travel to HEAVEN and back.

Or maybe the picture shows that the others are encased in the field and that she is between them and it looks as if she's in it when she is actually not and she's in the middle...?

Oh yes....but considering....Emma bypassed IronMans Psi-defences in Civl War #3 and O.N.E's Telepathic Blockers in Deadly Genesis #2 I wouldn't start pointing fingers at crappy writers If I were you.
Hah...look at the panel art again.

Fact is...Scoobs has shown proof...Loot hasn't.

If it's common knowledge, then you wouldn't have a hard time finding a scan where it says this.

One...more thing...I didn't vote based on that anyway...this match came down to the Heralds. And Scoobs used his prep time better...one side had a better strategy.

Vote still stands.

Originally posted by Scoobless
I said Psylocke would attack the Invisible Woman, no one else.

Nightcrawler has no idea where she is and teleporting into someone is against the rules.

If Spawn can copy Quasar's abilities then he definitely is not E-Meta and you have drafted an illegal character.

show me the teleport thing is against the rules? since iīm killing my character as well?

spawn would create a force field capable of preotecting telepathy, if he use this in all the team members he would loose energy and mimic would crush him, he would just protect sue form it, thing that she didnīt need.

Originally posted by Tony Stark
Per that crappy writer and YES he was crappy... That whole series sucked donkey balls.

It's common knowledge that after the Onslaught saga that Reed installed both TK and TP blocks into the groups suits as did Tony to his suits in fact they calibrated on them.

exactly, do i need to post spiderman beating firelord, some guy remembered to make that story, and now i will loose.

Originally posted by Maestro
Loot you need those scans of Sue blocking Psi-Lords TP really badly to sway the votes, even then I know a counter-argument to those scans so you hope scoob doesn't find out.

i donīt have to hope, because i donīt have the scans, and iīm anot able to find them, do you know some website that has scans of the FF4?
I didnīt knew it was necessary so bad the using of scans, because the only ones i have is some i find in KMC.


Originally posted by Scoobless
Nightcrawler has no idea where she is


i already said that: silver surfer has cosmic awarenss he would know where she is, and he would tell nightcralwer this, he has telepathy.

Originally posted by ExodusCloak
One...more thing...I didn't vote based on that anyway...this match came down to the Heralds. And Scoobs used his prep time better...one side had a better strategy.

Vote still stands.

iīm not criticizing your choice, but it is obvious that if quasar contructs are stronger with time he will use his prep time for that.
about that i only found one scan that iīve already posted, its surfer destroying instantly a quasar shield, like iīve said it would be more difficult to destroy the 2 hours contruct time but thet eventually he would (can he build the 7 shields at the same time by the way, donīt know if all the shileds have 2 hours of prep).

Surfer breaking quasar
http://photobucket.com/albums/b305/surfistaprateado/CosmicPowersUnlimited05-10.jpghttp://photobucket.com/albums/b305/surfistaprateado/CosmicPowersUnlimited05-10.jpg

it seems some links iīve posted werenīt working so iīm trying different approaches.

Scoob said that surfer wasnīt faster then quasar, i donīt know where did you get this, but if scans are necessary to prove that surfer is indeed faster then quasar. here it is:

Sorry again about the multiple posts, i was just remembering surfer vs morg fight, the energies released from that battle were destroying a planet, if surfer and quasar did that, the battlefield would be destroyed.

I was searching for some scans and iīve found surfer vs vs Lord Ghaur one of the Deviants. This was the first book iīve red of silver surfer, i was a kid and was so impressed with is manifestation of power. I know Ghaur is not on scoobs team but i had to show this one. When silver surfer is mad heīs almost unstoppable.

My vote goes to Scoob, class prep time work.

Originally posted by King_Mungi
Tony why are you debating? It's between Scoobless and Loot. Originally posted by batdude123
Because he has a boner for Sue.

Originally posted by xmarksthespot




There have been many posts by people within the 3 fights so far that haven't been the actual combatants but are correcting false info... and I was one of those many.



And BTW I no longer have a boner for Sue...

I'll vote scoob

Originally posted by Loot
show me the teleport thing is against the rules? since iīm killing my character as well?

spawn would create a force field capable of preotecting telepathy, if he use this in all the team members he would loose energy and mimic would crush him, he would just protect sue form it, thing that she didnīt need.

So far you have Spawn giving himself super speed, creating force fields, copying Quasar's constructs, using telepathy, protecting people from telepathy, fighting and firing energy at various force fields ...... and he's only going to lose power if he decides to use his power for one other thing? (all at the same time might I add)

sounds like BS or illegal draft to me.

Originally posted by Loot
iīm not criticizing your choice, but it is obvious that if quasar contructs are stronger with time he will use his prep time for that.
about that i only found one scan that iīve already posted, its surfer destroying instantly a quasar shield, like iīve said it would be more difficult to destroy the 2 hours contruct time but thet eventually he would (can he build the 7 shields at the same time by the way, donīt know if all the shileds have 2 hours of prep).


Instant bubbles are nothing like quantum armour or actual shields.

He can build 7 shields at the same time if he wants to ... though I never once suggested he would be doing that.

I said he had one large field over the group at the start..... and that was only there long enough for Psylocke to do a quick probe.

Originally posted by Tony Stark
There have been many posts by people within the 3 fights so far that haven't been the actual combatants but are correcting false info... and I was one of those many.



And BTW I no longer have a boner for Sue...






So, you have a sentry boner?

Originally posted by Ichigo66666
So, you have a sentry boner?






Ahhhh...


In a way...


It does have the power of a million exploding suns...


Or so I've told.

Originally posted by Tony Stark



Ahhhh...


In a way...


It does have the power of a million exploding suns...


Or so I've told.




Haha!

Anyway, i vote Scoobless. The prep work did it for me.

Loot has a point, though. Surfer is faster then Quasar...

Originally posted by King Kandy
Loot has a point, though. Surfer is faster then Quasar...

i already had said that in the begining of the fights but i didnīt had a scan to prove it so nobody paid attention.

Originally posted by King Kandy
Okay, Scoob has my straight out vote.

There's no need to restate your vote twice.

Originally posted by Evangel94
There's no need to restate your vote twice.
I only did it once.

The first time I just said I thought Scoob was doing a better job, but didn't vote.

Originally posted by King Kandy
I only did it once.

The first time I just said I thought Scoob was doing a better job, but didn't vote.

It's pretty obvious when you said "there's no way loot could win this" that your voting for scoobless verbally. You're not going to turn around and go against what you just said.

I was mentally prepaired for the possibility that oot could pull off one helluva comeback.

He didn't.

Im voting kandy...

Originally posted by King Kandy
I was mentally prepaired for the possibility that oot could pull off one helluva comeback.

He didn't.

Well there's still an hour left in the match...come back is always possible but unlikely.

Btw do you mind on recapping why your voting for scoobless again? Just out of curiosity.

Originally posted by trolly_crouchjr
Im voting kandy...

Wow ... just ..... wow.

Originally posted by trolly_crouchjr
Im voting kandy...

King Kandy is not in this match.

This match is between "Scoobless" and "Loot".

Not to mention, you don't have the 800 minimum posts to vote.

Originally posted by Evangel94
Well there's still an hour left in the match...come back is always possible but unlikely.

Btw do you mind on recapping why your voting for scoobless again? Just out of curiosity.
He seems to present his case that TP could hurt Invisible woman, that Spawn's not all that, and that Quasar is more then capable of defending any shortcomins of the rest of his team and beating Surfer.

And he, in my mind, demonstrated the truth of those things beyond a doubt. Loot hasn't put up much of a fight contrary to those claims.

Originally posted by Evangel94
King Kandy is not in this match.

This match is between "Scoobless" and "Loot".

Not to mention, you don't have the 800 minimum posts to vote.
He's joking, I'm guessing.

He's my partner in Batdudes tournament, so there might be some conflict of interest anyway.

Originally posted by ExodusCloak
Oh yes....but considering....Emma bypassed IronMans Psi-defences in Civl War #3


Man.... do I hate lies.

Tony wasn't even WEARING the Iron Man armor when he was paying her a visit in Civil War #3. Tony and Emma were sitting down having Tea when she started telepathically projecting images.

Originally posted by Evangel94
Man.... do I hate lies.

Tony wasn't even WEARING the Iron Man armor when he was paying her a visit in Civil War #3. Tony and Emma were sitting down having Tea when she started telepathically projecting images.



...that's gotta be up there on the BS scale for things I've seen recently. Way to call him on it though Evang.

Originally posted by DigiMark007


...that's gotta be up there on the BS scale for things I've seen recently. Way to call him on it though Evang.

I know! Un-be-lie-va-ble bs..!

Here's the scene in question where "Emma bypasses Iron Man's Psi-defenses". Gee I didn't know Tony built such weak psi-defenses in his casual wear.

http://img69.imageshack.us/img69/4655/scan0006ns2.th.jpg

http://img156.imageshack.us/img156/9964/scan0007cm2.th.jpg

http://img90.imageshack.us/img90/4725/scan0008sv6.th.jpg

Match Over!

The results are in!

hulk10 - Loot
Tony Stark - Loot
Typhus - Loot
King KAM - Loot

King Kandy - Scoobless
Blair Wind - Scoobless
Exodus Cloak - Scoobless
Soljier - Scoobless
Maestro - Scoobless
Roldz - Scoobless
King Mungi - Scoobless
xmarksthespot - Scoobless
Dreampanther - Scoobless
Stormfront13 - Scoobless
SpunkySmurph - Scoobless
StarsNeverFall7 - Scoobless
V - Scoobless
LaminatorX - Scoobless
Ichigo66666 - Scoobless

Scoobless defeats Loot in a 15 to 4 massacre.

Winner: Scoobless

Congrats Scoob!

Originally posted by Evangel94
I know! Un-be-lie-va-ble bs..!

Here's the scene in question where "Emma bypasses Iron Man's Psi-defenses". Gee I didn't know Tony built such weak psi-defenses in his casual wear.

http://img69.imageshack.us/img69/4655/scan0006ns2.th.jpg

http://img156.imageshack.us/img156/9964/scan0007cm2.th.jpg

http://img90.imageshack.us/img90/4725/scan0008sv6.th.jpg


*cough* Lies? *cough* Umm isn't Tony's suit fused into him now?


If I was actually lying I wouldn't have listed the issue..that would have been a no no...