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Illidan from World of Warcraft

http://www.worldofwarcraft.com/burningcrusade/images/wallpapers/illidan/illidan-1280x.jpg

http://www.wowwiki.com/Illidan

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wqpz2WOjtBE


VS

Sephiroth from FF

http://www.rpgland.com/fanart/parsons/sephiroth.jpg

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sephiroth_%28Final_Fantasy_VII%29

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WRBUtvyCbFc

all powers and abilities known.......this is a live battle, so there may be difficulty judging certain sephiroth attacks due to the fact FF games are Turn-based

both are extremely powerful, skilled melee, powerful Magic, speed and strength...let the battle begin

if mana burn can kill sephiroth, illidan would be the all day draining mana, and would win, but i think sephiroth is going to win

hmm ime not so sure, Illidans weapons are far more powerful than Sephiroths, i mean the Masamune as far as i know has no truly special enchants, ive heard combined with his speed and strength and the swords metal it can cut through most things but it cannot possibly match a pair of Demon glaives enchanted with dark power

also Illidan is faster, and although he doesnt have many magics he has proven to be able to call lightning to strike, send forth dark magic from his hands and burst into flames, engulfing his enemies if they get too close

i think Sephiroth is a little outmatched

Sephiroth is a little stronger now (because of remake of FF7 for PS3)
i think that Square Enix is going to make some new spells for him,

so its going to be EQUAL

ROUND 1
1=1
(Both Die)

ROUND 2
1=1
(Both Die Again)

ROUND 3
1=1
(ok that was final round its a tie)

hmm possibly Equel, but i still think Illidan has a bit more chance, i mean Sephiroth cannot clear the distance between the ground and above the clouds in 3 seconds like illidan can when he flies.....

also Illidan has glowing tattoes, he has to win

i thought this was quite a good matchup...ok rules changed, Only melee skills allowed, now that is a good matchup, i think illidan will win but with difficulty, since he dont know his spells both cant do spells now

ok let battle commence


(or dont we have many with a love for WoW)

seph wins, what have illidan ever done?

Sephiroth is the superior combat artist, he wins with reletive ease

what do you mean what has Illidan ever done, on a number of occasions hes nearly blown up the world, summoned forth armies to destroy the world and has faced off against beings that would chew up Sephiroth, the only weakness Illidan has in this fight are perhaps he needs some of his magic abilites and his weapons are not made for dueling, their made for mass killing


However i still say illidan wins, what makes you so sure that Sephiroth is superior, so hes a genetically engineered soldier? big deal.....Illidan has lived tens of thousands of years.....in that long life, even while trapped and blind under ground his battle skill in his mind would be thought, he can move much faster than sephiroth, Sephiroth is a slow flier indeed....Illidan can move at extreme speed....Illidans power and strength were already great as an elf, then increased by the power of the magic water added on by the SKull of Guldan that gave him incredible power, i think you two are greatly underesmating illidan

all Sephiroth has to show is feats of magic, his sword skills leave much to be desired, his best skills are his magic ones, his sword although a very powerful and lengthly sword bears no enchantments from what ive heard, comepared to the combined power of shadow and flame from illidans Demonic blades

Maybe you don't know I'm a long time Warcraft follower, not someone swept up by WoW.

And i know in combat alone sephiroth wins

He nearly blew up the world? when was that? The only thing remotely like that is when he used the Eye of Sargeras to attempt to shatter the Frozen Throne, but your talking earthquakes at best there...... i know nothing about blowing up the world

Originally posted by Mesirus
Maybe you don't know I'm a long time Warcraft follower, not someone swept up by WoW.

And i know in combat alone sephiroth wins

He nearly blew up the world? when was that? The only thing remotely like that is when he used the Eye of Sargeras to attempt to shatter the Frozen Throne, but your talking earthquakes at best there...... i know nothing about blowing up the world


maybe you dont know, i am also a long time Warcraft follower and i know in combat alone illidan wins

you have no proof that would tell this.....night elf, magical, Demon >>>>>>> bio enginerred soldier who gets pwned by Cloud many times and Cloud isnt much better, how is Sephiroth going to hit the far faster illidan, and how is he going to best Illidans furious assault?

what fighting skills has illadin shown besides getting his ass handed to him by arthras and getting captured by that night elf band, while seph destroyed armies by himself. Arthras/Illidin's fighting skills were really weak compared to those seen in AC

using a device to blow up a planet and being able to command an army wont help, unless you mean including all those against him. The only one who can destroy planets was seph, if you count that annoying spell as a final boss.

if he flew he can just strike him down with lightning bolts.

Originally posted by lightness
what fighting skills has illadin shown besides getting his ass handed to him by arthras and getting captured by that night elf band, while seph destroyed armies by himself. Arthras/Illidin's fighting skills were really weak compared to those seen in AC

using a device to blow up a planet and being able to command an army wont help, unless you mean including all those against him. The only one who can destroy planets was seph, if you count that annoying spell as a final boss.

if he flew he can just strike him down with lightning bolts.

the only reason the fighting skill seemed poor is because its a game...using relitively dated game graphics compared to those used in recent FF games and the AC film...if you watch the Video at the end of the link i gave for illidan you can clearly see he is far faster than sephiroth, he moved from the ground to above the clouds wthin about 3 seconds, sephiroth is not capable of such an act, he is far slower which imediatley suggest that Illidan speeding at him like a bulet bearing two Demonic enchanted glaive blades would not be easy for sephiroth to overcome

Sephiroth sword would probably end up getting smashed by illidans blade, and Illidan was going to blow open the roof of the world with the eye of sergerus, it wasnt a simple earthquake, he was attempting to blow it to pieces which would probably undoubtably unless magic forces intervene knock a world off its orbit or such with an explosion like that

Originally posted by Burning thought
maybe you dont know, i am also a long time Warcraft follower and i know in combat alone illidan wins well that proves to me you hopped on the Warcracft band wagon at WoW and assume so much.

Originally posted by Burning thought
you have no proof that would tell this.....night elf, magical, Demon >>>>>>> bio enginerred soldier who gets pwned by Cloud many times and Cloud isnt much better, how is Sephiroth going to hit the far faster illidan, and how is he going to best Illidans furious assault? ok my points:

1) I know the warcraft universe, and Sephiorth in combat would take illidan without much difficulty

2) Sephiroth kicks Clouds ass until he lets Clouds break limit come through

3) What you saw in AC wasn't the real Sephiroth. The Real one is way more powerful, that was just a lava, a fragment if you will, of the true power.

4) Sephiroth is faster than Illidan. AC where they fought in the building chunks with fallings, cloud had 2 weapons also, sephiroth was keeping up with ease

5) Backup your points with more than opinion please

the Fact illidan is faster is not opinion, Sephiroth CANNOT clear the space between the ground and the top of the clouds, he merely floats around, his sword skills are fast indeed, but Illidans weapons are far better at defence than a single sword, that has no true encahntments....

and wtf is all this about WoW bandwagon, ive played all the games, all i havnt done is read ALL the books, it seems you assume too much yourself, what the hell about the Warcraft universe that you know would imediatley make illidan seem weaker or slower than Sephiroth, theres nothing

the facts are layed clearly in front of you

Illidan= Faster, Demon Lord, consumer of the skull of Guldan who was a greatly feared and powerful Warlock who was corrupted by the power of sergerus as well as the demons which increased Illidans power consderably, he bears a pair of powerful Demonic blades used by a Doom Guard commander called Azzinoth, he is over about 10,000 years old, since for 10,000 years he was imprisoned, when he fights he is constantly in a blood lusted and angry state and never lets arrogance overcome like Sephiroth may do

Sephiroth= bio engineered human, injected with jenova cells increasing his speed and strength considerably, almost becoming a near god through the life stream, wields an unenchanted (unless proven otherwise) Masurmane blade (not good at spelling ) which has considerable length, the soldier has considerable fightings skill as well and knows how to use his sword

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ye0dJhSH_LU

Originally posted by Cloud_VII
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ye0dJhSH_LU

thats no argument....where does that blast come from, if its a supernova then he needs a sun in the battle to be able to do it, which there is none, its just a open battle in pitch black since i did not create any layout...so no supernova

also it takes a while to cast, in that time Illidan will just beam straight into him and slice him to peaces.....OR burn his magic away so he cant cast any spells...easily stopped

Sephiroth can cast wall for defense or he could inflict petrification. Also, Sin Heartless Angel is an instant kill move. Here's the list to all of Sephiroth's moves; They're half way of the page. Though for some reason it won't show unless you press enter twice in the address bar. http://db.gamefaqs.com/console/psx/file/final_fantasy_vii_boss.txt.

Originally posted by Cloud_VII
Sephiroth can cast wall for defense or he could inflict petrification. Also, Sin Heartless Angel is an instant kill move. Here's the list to all of Sephiroth's moves; They're half way of the page. Though for some reason it won't show unless you press enter twice in the address bar. http://db.gamefaqs.com/console/psx/file/final_fantasy_vii_boss.txt.

instant kill......only in game mechanics m8, you cant expect that just because it can instantly kill cloud that it can instantly kill illidan, Segerus, God?

and all his spell have cast times and mana costs wheras Illidan can drain away his magic power and is fast enough to clear the space between him and sephiroth and slice him to pieces

Originally posted by Burning thought
instant kill......only in game mechanics m8, you cant expect that just because it can instantly kill cloud that it can instantly kill illidan, Segerus, God?

and all his spell have cast times and mana costs wheras Illidan can drain away his magic power and is fast enough to clear the space between him and sephiroth and slice him to pieces
How can he drain his magic power? Also, it's not like Sephiroth will be standing there. Like I said, he could petrify Illidian and turn him into stone. Also, Pale Horse inflicts every status ailment known in the FF7 universe. It takes time? Either way Sephiroth doesn't worry about that since he's casted Wall which stops Illidian from attacking him. Sin Heartless Angel puts a halo on a character so what do you think it will do to him? Illidian isn't God, God isn't a living being so how could he be killed? Also, Sephiroth can cast Doom, which is pretty much the same as SHA only it kills the opponent after a few moments, in which Sephiroth is invulnerable because of his defensive barrier.

Illidan can use mana burn which is one of his attacks, Illidan swallows Sephiroths power away into himself with this attack so he wont be able to cast anything, and i dont think ANY of Sephiroths attacks are instant wheras Illidans Mana burn is instant, can be cast from range and doesnt need to hit, it instantly targets

but as said, heartless Angel cannot simply be considered an instant kill just because its able to kill the party that fights sephiroth or a character, and with the magic steal, Illidan will make Sephiroths magic attacks usless and so he will have to fight Illidan hand to hand....which will be difficult, Illidan is fast, has the strength of both Demon and Magic enchanted elf combined with the blades of Azzinoth

Originally posted by Burning thought
Illidan can use mana burn which is one of his attacks, Illidan swallows Sephiroths power away into himself with this attack so he wont be able to cast anything, and i dont think ANY of Sephiroths attacks are instant wheras Illidans Mana burn is instant, can be cast from range and doesnt need to hit, it instantly targets

go in editor and you'll see mana burn cast time is 0.1 seconds

Are you telling me that you click mana burn and it happens? last time i played you press mana burn, then select your target

Originally posted by Burning thought
but as said, heartless Angel cannot simply be considered an instant kill just because its able to kill the party that fights sephiroth or a character, and with the magic steal, Illidan will make Sephiroths magic attacks usless and so he will have to fight Illidan hand to hand....which will be difficult, Illidan is fast, has the strength of both Demon and Magic enchanted elf combined with the blades of Azzinoth You lose me when you say he is a demon lord, this is incorrect. He was made part demon due to the demonic energies that the skull of gul'dan contained. The title "Illidan Stormrage the Demon Lord" is infact a ruse, he is a demon lord because he is part-demon and is a Lord over armies.

You vastly overestimate his combat abilities, Illidan compared to FFVII is about as fast as Kadaj and as strong as Loz. Sephiroth suprasses each of these, thus it stands to reason He surpasses Illidan

well this stands as a draw until the burning crusade comes out, ime certain 100% that when it comes out Illidan can be proven to be a far superior fighter than Sephiroth, since as it stands, the only proof of anythng about illidan is storyline, an RTS game and a few video clips showing his incredible speed

and m8 this isnt an RTS is it, were not clicking on illiden, clicking mana burn and then clicking on a little RTS sephiroth, this is a real fight

from what we see, Illidan has age of experiance on his side, the power to drain away Sephiroths magic powers so he has to use hand to hand, and the fact that illidan can clear a space of about 20 miles in 3 seconds at the same time as wielding a pair of demonic blades i dont see how Sephiroth can easily dispatch this guy

I'm gonig to be blunt, i need alot of answers to accept what you're saying, please provide

Originally posted by Burning thought
well this stands as a draw until the burning crusade comes out, ime certain 100% No, WoW is none canon because in story line Illidan will not be killed by a group or hordeor alliance in the way that he will soon.

Originally posted by Burning thought
that when it comes out Illidan can be proven to be a far superior fighter than Sephiroth It's time based attacks, none shows any skill on WoW

Originally posted by Burning thought
since as it stands, the only proof of anythng about illidan is storyline, an RTS game and a few video clips showing his incredible speed What video clip is this?? Link if possible.

Originally posted by Burning thought
and m8 this isnt an RTS is it, were not clicking on illiden, clicking mana burn and then clicking on a little RTS sephiroth, this is a real fight Well that its standsto reason Sephiroth has to target either, because its not a time based RPG

Originally posted by Burning thought
from what we see, Illidan has age of experiance on his side I could hardly call 10,000 years sitting in a prison experience. The prison was magic binding and his blades were not in there with him.

Originally posted by Burning thought
the power to drain away Sephiroths magic powers so he has to use hand to hand Well like i say Mana burn has a cast time and limited range, so, Sephiroth has time to cast reflect, whuch would seriously screw Illidan

Originally posted by Burning thought
and the fact that illidan can clear a space of about 20 miles in 3 seconds at the same time as wielding a pair of demonic blades ..... really?? when was this? if that were true you really think he'd have to worry about using the eye of Sargeras to destroy the Frozen Throne?!

Originally posted by Burning thought
on a number of occasions hes nearly blown up the world tell me when, all occasions please.

Originally posted by Burning thought
summoned forth armies to destroy the world again, info on this would be usuful.

Originally posted by Burning thought and has faced off against beings that would chew up Sephiroth who was this?

Originally posted by Mesirus
I'm gonig to be blunt, i need alot of answers to accept what you're saying, please provide

No, WoW is none canon because in story line Illidan will not be killed by a group or hordeor alliance in the way that he will soon.

It's time based attacks, none shows any skill on WoW

What video clip is this?? Link if possible.

Well that its standsto reason Sephiroth has to target either, because its not a time based RPG

I could hardly call 10,000 years sitting in a prison experience. The prison was magic binding and his blades were not in there with him.

Well like i say Mana burn has a cast time and limited range, so, Sephiroth has time to cast reflect, whuch would seriously screw Illidan

..... really?? when was this? if that were true you really think he'd have to worry about using the eye of Sargeras to destroy the Frozen Throne?!

tell me when, all occasions please.

again, info on this would be usuful.

who was this?

Well the armies he summoned were the Naga, he summoend them from the watery depths to destory the world, however he didnt succeed, but its quite a feet to command such things

and the Video clip i have already linked, at the end of the Trailer, Illidan effortlessly Covers the space between the ground and above the clouds in 3 seconds, the space between clouds and ground is about 10 miles at least, above the clouds

and he attempted to destory the frozen throne but probably would of smashed the world, however thats just physics on Earth, i mean if a Earthquake as big as the north pole started making explosions everywhere the Earth would wreck...

and the person who i suspect could pwn anyone in FF is the new Lich king, but i was referring to Arthas who ofcourse beat Illidan so i suppose that is not a good point against Illidan

and we cant call this fight until AFTER we have seen Illidan in TBC, Illidan is not killed in TBC, according to Blizzard staff he simple fights them as they get in his way and then leaves after theyve shown him some pain..or until hes pwned us and hell prob leave behind a chest, but that Raid will show us his Abilites, and his abilities ARE canon in WoW

Originally posted by Burning thought
Well the armies he summoned were the Naga, he summoend them from the watery depths to destory the world, however he didnt succeed, but its quite a feet to command such things

and the Video clip i have already linked, at the end of the Trailer, Illidan effortlessly Covers the space between the ground and above the clouds in 3 seconds, the space between clouds and ground is about 10 miles at least, above the clouds

and he attempted to destory the frozen throne but probably would of smashed the world, however thats just physics on Earth, i mean if a Earthquake as big as the north pole started making explosions everywhere the Earth would wreck...

and the person who i suspect could pwn anyone in FF is the new Lich king, but i was referring to Arthas who ofcourse beat Illidan so i suppose that is not a good point against Illidan

and we cant call this fight until AFTER we have seen Illidan in TBC, Illidan is not killed in TBC, according to Blizzard staff he simple fights them as they get in his way and then leaves after theyve shown him some pain..or until hes pwned us and hell prob leave behind a chest, but that Raid will show us his Abilites, and his abilities ARE canon in WoW

Summoned? no, he called to them, and they accepted his calls. They are not bound to him, but they share his hatred of the night elves

He was standing on a mountain, there was like 15 meters between itself and the clouds

no it wouldn't, don't bring pyshics into a game with magic, just don't

Arthas (Deathknight) is an near equal to Illidan, New Lich would defeat Illidan with utter ease. Although it has been argued FrostMourne is way more powerful than Illidans Blades

Nothing, no dungeon or whatever in WoW is canon. Simply because every fraction leadrer has been killed, Kel'thuzard has been killed... the list goes on and on. Thus powers etc in WoW are infact none canon. Lana tells me they are then they are, but for now i am to assume they are not

Originally posted by Mesirus
Summoned? no, he called to them, and they accepted his calls. They are not bound to him, but they share his hatred of the night elves

He was standing on a mountain, there was like 15 meters between itself and the clouds

no it wouldn't, don't bring pyshics into a game with magic, just don't

Arthas (Deathknight) is an near equal to Illidan, New Lich would defeat Illidan with utter ease. Although it has been argued FrostMourne is way more powerful than Illidans Blades

Nothing, no dungeon or whatever in WoW is canon. Simply because every fraction leadrer has been killed, Kel'thuzard has been killed... the list goes on and on. Thus powers etc in WoW are infact none canon. Lana tells me they are then they are, but for now i am to assume they are not

summoned is also called....for example "summon the servants", "summon the buttler" in real world, you dont cast a spell and the buttler is under your will in real life do you

and since when do you have the right to call off physics, everything has physics until there is pin-point proof there is a way Azeroth has a diffrent gravity or properties than Earth to allow it to survive this assault

and what makes you think hes standing on a mountain, the clouds are clearly not directly above him, their miles up and hes standing on a battlefield of defeated foes which he has seemingly single handadly destroyed, why would a more or less flat battlefield be on a mountain?

and ofcourse you can have your own opinion of what is, is not canon and what is allowed as canon in this forum is up to lana ofcourse......but in my opinion, if Blizzard create something to do with the same story line, such as powers, abilites, events, then it has to be canon...ofcourse killing Kelthuzard is not (although he doesnt die, do you know anything about World of warcraft?) but his powers are certified as real...but you can assume what you want

as it still stands Sephiroth has no grounds or proof behind him, your only argument so far is that hes from FF and everything from FF seems to be far faster and stronger than Warcraft so sephiroth wins.....sorry but Bull**** to that m8, no proof for any of this = no debate until proven Illidan wins, ive provided a lot of proof

Originally posted by Burning thought
Illidan can use mana burn which is one of his attacks, Illidan swallows Sephiroths power away into himself with this attack so he wont be able to cast anything, and i dont think ANY of Sephiroths attacks are instant wheras Illidans Mana burn is instant, can be cast from range and doesnt need to hit, it instantly targets

but as said, heartless Angel cannot simply be considered an instant kill just because its able to kill the party that fights sephiroth or a character, and with the magic steal, Illidan will make Sephiroths magic attacks usless and so he will have to fight Illidan hand to hand....which will be difficult, Illidan is fast, has the strength of both Demon and Magic enchanted elf combined with the blades of Azzinoth
You're being biased. You're saying Sin Heartless Angel isn't quick enough and so Illidian would take Sephiroth's magic away before it kills him? For starters, I don't see where you proved he could do that and second, you haven't proved SHA wouldn't kill Illidian...since like I said it puts a halo on opponents and takes their life. Like it or not, it's going to kill him.

Also, I don't see how mana burn would work because of Wall like I mentioned earlier. It's a barrier so any attack wouldn't do anything unless you have a spell such as debarrier which could take it down.

You also forgot stone, which would petrify Illidian unless he has some way to shield against it. Pale Horse like I said before inflicts every status ailment known in the Final Fantasy 7 universe. That means Illidian would be Poisoned, Confused, Silenced, and deformed. Doom like I said is Sin Heartless Angel except it's a countdown to how much time Illidian has before he dies.

If you don't believe me, go check the game guide on the other page and it'll tell you all I've said was correct.

Oh and see the link in my sig because it seems you underestimate Sephiroth's speed.

Alright in other words, Illidian doesn't win this so easily as you make it seem. Sephiroth is stronger than you think and he would be a good match for Illidian. Mana Burn like you said drains magic, and Sin Heartless Angel drains health. Both Illidian and Sephiroth are fast and powerful as well. Sephiroth has many other attacks which may or may not work depening on what might happen in the fight. Illidian's attacks would not turn out successful all the time. Some characters have immunities to certain things and have things to protect them. To be honest, I think Sephiroth would be a match for Illidian.

Originally posted by Cloud_VII
Alright in other words, Illidian doesn't win this so easily as you make it seem. Sephiroth is stronger than you think and he would be a good match for Illidian. Mana Burn like you said drains magic, and Sin Heartless Angel drains health. Both Illidian and Sephiroth are fast and powerful as well. Sephiroth has many other attacks which may or may not work depening on what might happen in the fight. Illidian's attacks would not turn out successful all the time. Some characters have immunities to certain things and have things to protect them. To be honest, I think Sephiroth would be a match for Illidian.

yes i watched that video, but Sephiroth is not faster, and yes i belive your right, i think sephiroth would be a good match, Illidans magic burning ability is not a projectile or something that can be defended agasnt, its simply a wave of his hand and it glows blue and suddenly you magic power is gone and it takes a tenth of a second to cast according to Mesirus which is nothing, a wave of the hand and Sephiroths magic is gone

HOWEVER Illidan from the various videos cannot possibly hit sephiroth once he is sword slashing so....Illidan can either take to the skies like a coward and shoot his spells while Sephiroth would be seemingly unable to fly now considering his magic is stolen and he has only a single wing so physically he wouldnt be able to fly properly without magic aid, and so Sephiroth would simply have to keep dodging, OR Illidan would fight hand to hand and it would be a stalemate but i think Cloud is right, this is an even match and could go both ways depending on what resistances of both have

link to said videos please??

Originally posted by Burning thought
summoned is also called....for example "summon the servants", "summon the buttler" in real world, you dont cast a spell and the buttler is under your will in real life do you

and since when do you have the right to call off physics, everything has physics until there is pin-point proof there is a way Azeroth has a diffrent gravity or properties than Earth to allow it to survive this assault

and what makes you think hes standing on a mountain, the clouds are clearly not directly above him, their miles up and hes standing on a battlefield of defeated foes which he has seemingly single handadly destroyed, why would a more or less flat battlefield be on a mountain?

and ofcourse you can have your own opinion of what is, is not canon and what is allowed as canon in this forum is up to lana ofcourse......but in my opinion, if Blizzard create something to do with the same story line, such as powers, abilites, events, then it has to be canon...ofcourse killing Kelthuzard is not (although he doesnt die, do you know anything about World of warcraft?) but his powers are certified as real...but you can assume what you want

as it still stands Sephiroth has no grounds or proof behind him, your only argument so far is that hes from FF and everything from FF seems to be far faster and stronger than Warcraft so sephiroth wins.....sorry but Bull**** to that m8, no proof for any of this = no debate until proven Illidan wins, ive provided a lot of proof

.....okay whatever, but it looked like you tried to make it sounds as thought he brought them into existance

Because the way of magic changes the physics of such things, so any point based on it, well build their house of the sand

It's clearly not miles above him either, as a guess i'd give them 30m, max. He singely handedly destroyed? i got the impression they are trails of the horde/alliance and is why he is so furious that they "dare". Illidan was always more tactful that that anyway

Basing his power on something not even released..... come on

The proof? AC, FF7 even Kh stands as evidence as to the strength, skll and fighting style of the villian in question, what more proof can you ask for?! (don't say it's none canon, its a point as to what you could expect in the fight)

no debate until proven Illidan wins, ive provided a lot of proof can't help but think you made up your mind before you even released the thread

Originally posted by MadMel
link to said videos please??

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BUQiS9y4psA

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WRBUtvyCbFc

the above two are of sephiroth and the below at the end has a small part of illidan moving at speeds

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wqpz2WOjtBE

Oh ffs as if i missed that. Outland, the surface it totally uneven, so its not unlikely the battlefield was right below the clouds,

the video you posted just showed illidan can fly using his wings. nothing about speed or fighitng skills. and illidan cannot dodge lightning bolts.

I bet you seph can get up faster by jumping real high. maybe not as high without jumping off a building or his wings. showing no skill because of lack of hardware sounds lame imo. just look at Vergil/Dante in dmc3 and they showed a lot of skill with a 5 year old console. being a character that relies on raising an army and commanding as opposed to doing everything himself isn't an advantage either

Originally posted by lightness
the video you posted just showed illidan can fly using his wings. nothing about speed or fighitng skills. and illidan cannot dodge lightning bolts.

I bet you seph can get up faster by jumping real high. maybe not as high without jumping off a building or his wings. showing no skill because of lack of hardware sounds lame imo. just look at Vergil/Dante in dmc3 and they showed a lot of skill with a 5 year old console. being a character that relies on raising an army and commanding as opposed to doing everything himself isn't an advantage either

thats because its a DMC game and not an RTS warcraft game, Warcraft relied on a deep interwoven story and well made RTS gameplay instead of fast action and flashing graphics to dazzle those who played it

and i doubt it m8, lol his jump wouldnt hit the clouds, ive seen him jump, he can jump about 100 metres or so in the air, maybe less, maybe a tad bit more, and how do you know he cannot dodge lightning bolts, can sephiroth?

Originally posted by Burning thought
thats because its a DMC game and not an RTS warcraft game, Warcraft relied on a deep interwoven story and well made RTS gameplay instead of fast action and flashing graphics to dazzle those who played it

and i doubt it m8, lol his jump wouldnt hit the clouds, ive seen him jump, he can jump about 100 metres or so in the air, maybe less, maybe a tad bit more, and how do you know he cannot dodge lightning bolts, can sephiroth?

Yup, Warcraft has many levels, fun, addiction, creativeness, mysterty, and untold power it's why it rocks now, rocks then and will ALWAYS rock yes

Well Sephirht can fly, so jumping isn't really in the question. I find that we Don't know enough about the air to air ratio's of Sephiroth and Illidan, so for me thats too tricky to call.

Sephiroth Has his speels such as wall, or reflect.

Illidan, well i thought the skull of Gul'dan Made his have resistant skin?
Is it out the question he gets one of them magic immune necklasses?

Originally posted by Mesirus
Yup, Warcraft has many levels, fun, addiction, creativeness, mysterty, and untold power it's why it rocks now, rocks then and will ALWAYS rock yes

Well Sephirht can fly, so jumping isn't really in the question. I find that we Don't know enough about the air to air ratio's of Sephiroth and Illidan, so for me thats too tricky to call.

Sephiroth Has his speels such as wall, or reflect.

Illidan, well i thought the skull of Gul'dan Made his have resistant skin?
Is it out the question he gets one of them magic immune necklasses?

magic immune necklace would pwn, he probably is near magic immune since he loves magic so much and drinks its energy, i think has a lot of resistances but they are not told of in the game

well i got one for him one one of the levels, can't be sure which one. Comes to mind if a mountain giant has resistant skin, surely Illidans magically imbued flesh is also, which would block out some nasties.

I stand by my opinion in combat Sephiorth > Illidan

But it's got to be admitted Illidan has access to lots of thing which could change that. Slap on some items (Orb of Darkness for example) and Sephiroth i believe would be outmatched

Originally posted by Mesirus
well i got one for him one one of the levels, can't be sure which one. Comes to mind if a mountain giant has resistant skin, surely Illidans magically imbued flesh is also, which would block out some nasties.

I stand by my opinion in combat Sephiorth > Illidan

But it's got to be admitted Illidan has access to lots of thing which could change that. Slap on some items (Orb of Darkness for example) and Sephiroth i believe would be outmatched

perhaps normal hand to hand but if illidan sends off a magic burn and we allow them both full powers illidan, but i still personally wont give a straight opinion till i see what he can do in TBC