EVANGEL94's 2nd SLUGFEST SHOWDOWN TOURNAMENT: StarsNeverFall7 vs TricksterPriest

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Evangel94
The battle takes place in an alternate reality New York City, with no differences from the real-life New York City, at sunrise.

StarsNeverFall7

Thor
http://www.marvel.com/universe/Thor_

Cable (with TO virus)
http://www.marvel.com/universe/Cable
Iceman
http://www.marvel.com/universe/Iceman

Spiderman
http://www.marvel.com/universe/Spiderman
Deadpool (Regular 616 Universe)
http://www.marvel.com/universe/Deadpool

Batman
http://www.legionsofgotham.org/BIOSbatman.html
Batgirl
http://www.legionsofgotham.org/BIOSbatgirl.html

VS

TricksterPriest

Herald level:
Apocalypse http://www.marvel.com/universe/Apoc...En_Sabah_Nur%29

Enhanced Meta level: Violator & Omega Red (W/e Carbonadium synthesizer) http://www.internationalhero.co.uk/v/violator.htm
http://www.marveldirectory.com/indi.../o/omegared.htm

Meta: Death Gambit (Horseman version) & Venom (Mac Gargan).
http://www.marvel.com/universe/Venom
http://www.marvel.com/universe/Gambit

Street level picks:
Domino.
http://marvel.com/universe/Domino_%28Neena_Thurman%29
Nyssa Al Ghul
http://www.search.com/reference/Nyssa_Raatko



StarsNeverFall7 Write-Up


No write-up was received from Trickster Priest

I wish both competitors the best of luck. Now let the match begin!

Evangel94
I believe TricksterPriest will post his own write-up later on.

Scoobless
Domino was switched for Prometheus.

Evangel94
Originally posted by Scoobless
Domino was switched for Prometheus.

Whoops, Sorry about that.

TricksterPriest actually has Prometheus instead of Domino
http://www.answers.com/topic/prometheus-comics

hulk10
StarsNeverFall7 wins.

Maestro
Hang on can competitors argue that the opposing teams side won't be able to 'work together' as an argument for someone losing?, or am I missing something because I assumed they did.

Scoobless
Originally posted by hulk10
StarsNeverFall7 wins.

You don't have enough KMC posts to have your vote counted ... and voting before one of the competitors has even come on is just plain ignorant.

erm

ExodusCloak
Originally posted by Scoobless
You don't have enough KMC posts to have your vote counted ... and voting before one of the competitors has even come on is just plain ignorant.

erm

There's probably a loop hole for him...since I think he's one of the competitors...or at least his name is listed as one.

But yeah agreed with everything else.

Loot

Scoobless
Didn't realise he was in this.

embarrasment

Evangel94
Originally posted by Scoobless
Didn't realise he was in this.

embarrasment

Wow...

Come on scoobless! Even though there's twelve people in this tournament and it may be hard to keep track off. This guy could be your future opponent.

StarsNeverFall7
Okay I didn't realize that Domino was switched until I had already posted a write up, and didn't feel itd be to far to try to retrive it, edit, and resubmit, so ill just go with a follow up.

Same applies for prometheus, he may be good but without the abilility to effect probability at his aid, he is more in tune to get taken out by those first initial attacks.

I can't really get too into detail until Trickster posts something

DigiMark007
Originally posted by hulk10
StarsNeverFall7 wins.

You're really supposed to wait for debating. Not everything is the teams involved. no expression

{edit} ah, I see Scoob dealt with it already.

TricksterPriest
Decided to just post it myself. I pmed a copy of this to evangel.

First off. I did not look at my compeditor's write-up. That would be cheating. I want a clean fight. So, let's start by looking at his team. Thor, god of thunder, tough as a brick wall, and about as smart. Cable w/e TO virus, very dangerous, but beatable. Iceman, thought this one would be tougher, but thanks to Evangel's rulings, no biggie for my team. Spidey, piece of cake. Deadpool.... bastard. I wanted him stick out tongue but mostly hard to put down, not so much a huge thread. Batman&Batgirl, good street picks, but mine have beaten them already.

Here goes: Apocalypse is far more powerful than Thor, given that X-factor, X-force and the xmen had to combine to beat him. So, on a power stand point, my herald has an advantage. The rest of my team outclasses his, except for Cable. Nyssa is basically a female version of her father, so I expect her to hold her own against the bats. Prometheus has beaten Lady Shiva in 3 seconds, so he can stomp Cassandra. I've heard Violator has TP, but I can't prove it, so that's out. But I'm not sure he's vulnerable to it, given that he's a demon. Omega red can drain off Iceman I believe, but even if he can't, he can certainly put the hurt on the rest of his team.


Here's the plan. Apoc links everyone's minds to share information. Then, Death Gambit gets some makeshift gas canisters and fills them with a delayed reaction odorless, tasteless, invisible gas that induces drowsiness. To prevent Cable from sensing them placing the gas, Death Gambit uses his ability to scramble his brain from telepaths by holding a charged item near his head. Venom scouts ahead and using Apoc's communication equipment, relays the info to the rest of the team. Apocalypse then starts sending out telepathic illusions to get them to waste energy and disclose their location. After they've found them, we make an attack from multible angles, then disengage, releasing the gas in their wake. They'll split up and chase. And that's when we pick them off one by one. Violator uses his shapeshifting to sneak up on Iceman and before Iceman can figure out what's happening, boom, instant hell-fire cooked Iceman. Even if that fails, Violator will eventually beat Iceman, either by ripping him apart, or just blasting him with hellfire, necroplasm, etc. Omega Red can go after Deadpool, I doubt even his healing factor can save him if Omega Red gets a grip on him. Venom, as par for the course, goes for Spiderman. Now, no one on here can dispute how that fight ends. Spidey beating venom without Sonics or fire is PIS. Venom will not stop this time, the webcrawler dies.
Now, street level. Nyssa Al Ghul is as well trained as her father, and Ra's goes dead even with batman. She can at least keep him busy and off balance long enough to pick his team off. Prometheus has beaten Lady Shiva in 3 seconds, Cassandra can't win. Finally Apoc goes after Thor. Of course, Thor might try to help his teammates by flying into the air, but Apoc can keep him busy with telepathic illusions or by engaging him directly. Hell, Apoc could telekinetically knock the hammer away while battering thor down. 60 seconds later, no thor. Squish. Of course, they could not take the bait, but a few telepathic illusions, press the right buttons, and feigning weakness, the odds favor us. But if they don't pursue, we can still take them in a pitched battle. That's my plan.

EDIT: I SAID EDDIE BROCK DAMN IT! Not Mac Gargan. I changed that one awhile ago.

Evangel94
Ladies and Gentlemen,

TricksterPriest has sent me his write-up. He said he did not look at this thread or his opponents write-up when he made this.

DigiMark007
Originally posted by TricksterPriest
Decided to just post it myself. I pmed a copy of this to evangel.

roll eyes (sarcastic)

Wow. Talk about redundantly repetitive.

King KAM
Originally posted by Scoobless
You don't have enough KMC posts to have your vote counted ... and voting before one of the competitors has even come on is just plain ignorant.

erm well i do, StarsNeverFall7 wins

Evangel94
Hmm...I didn't see that TricksterPriest posted his write-up before I posted.

TricksterPriest
Oops. Sorry guys. You can delete that post. Thought Evangel wasn't on. Btw, I said Eddie Brock Venom, not gargan. I switched them.

Evangel94
Originally posted by TricksterPriest
Oops. Sorry guys. You can delete that post. Thought Evangel wasn't on. Btw, I said Eddie Brock Venom, not gargan. I switched them.

When did you say this? I don't recall you switching them.


I posted your team in the Tournament Match and Discussion thread and the only thing you objected to was Domino being accidently posted.

King KAM
Apoc>Thor?! WRONG

Trickster is insane, his tactic is weak, and so is his team. Iceman Alone can Own this team, by allowing Cable to go into his head and unlock his mental blocks, making Iceman now Omega level.

As for Thor Versus Apoc, All thor has to do is GodBlast Apoc and hes done, Then Thor simply Annihilates the rest of the team. Or....Thor simply uses Cable, the Anti-Apoc to kill him.

Cable might not be able to read gambits mind, but he can read those minds of the ones around him, and will find out the canister trick.

TricksterPriest
http://www.killermovies.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=433143&perpage=20&highlight=&pagenumber=13

Here you go.

Evangel94
Originally posted by King KAM

Iceman Alone can Own this team, by allowing Cable to go into his head and unlock his mental blocks, making Iceman now Omega level.


This is against the rules and not allowed.

King KAM
Originally posted by Evangel94
This is against the rules and not allowed. I read the rules must have just happened to miss it. But still the fact is that Thor would crush the whole team by himself.

Where does the battle take place?

StarsNeverFall7
Still have alot of team friction to catch up on.

Due to X-Force and X-men teaming up for Apocalypse, far from gives him an advantage. Like I said before, if Cable can take him, make for sure Thor can.

Where does Gambit get this odorless gas? Im sure it isn't something that is standard weaponary of his. A telekentic removal of Gambits charged item and his mind is then open for an attack.

Omega Red go after DP, lets not forget the full arsenal DP carries, his ability to teleport, and his fighting skills. Sinister has tried to poision him and he beat the TO virus simply by the will of his healing. He can take Omega Red far before the pherphmones have full effect.

Let Venom chase spidey, where in a city, he can just get him with the condemned building...again.

In a city, with Batmans stealth, Nyssa isn't left standing for long at all.

Thor is extremely resistant to telepathic illusions, attacks, etc that isn't going to phase much or get very far. Not to mention, knocking the hammer out of his hand isn't happening, it always returns just by will alone. Apocalypse is good, but Thor he is not.

Evangel94
ANNOUNCEMENT

This thread will not be extended like the last thread. This match will only last one day so make your arguements count.

StarsNeverFall7
Like was stated before, Violator isn't taking Iceman out. Bobby blasts him and turns him into a brick of ice. If hulk didn't get out immediately, neither will Violator.

Ichigo66666
Trickster gets my vote in this one. Nice tactic, strat and well thought out.

King KAM
Originally posted by StarsNeverFall7
Like was stated before, Violator isn't taking Iceman out. Bobby blasts him and turns him into a brick of ice. If hulk didn't get out immediately, neither will Violator. not only that, If bobby Focuses on the block long enough, he can hold him in it, then Cable can throw it into space....which isnt a one hit Ko, whether a combo i thought of

TricksterPriest
the gas is an application of Death Gambit's powers. Violator is evil, but he doesn't work for Malbolgia anymore, he's freelance now. my team is all evil, but they have mutual enemies on the other team. they'll work together as long as there are enemies to kill. You cannot argue against Violator without having read the Spawn comics. Can Iceman beat Spawn? No. Violator has killed numerous Spawn and proven himself a match for Al Simmons on several occasions. And who says Violator has to beat Iceman directly? He can mess with his head, sneak up on him, shapeshift, torment him, etc. And you can't put him on ice. He'll break out. Violator does have teleporting, despite his not using it as much. And....magic. Hell magic is a very dangerous ability, and not something iceman has experience with.


As for Gambit, your idea doesn't work. TK doesn't work if you can't lock onto something. That's what the kinetic energy does. It means they can't sense him and can't lock onto him because he's putting out an interference signal.

And where do you get Thor being resistant to TP? I call bullshit on that one. And there is no way he has resistance on a level strong enough to stop Apoc.

King KAM
Originally posted by TricksterPriest
the gas is an application of Death Gambit's powers. Violator is evil, but he doesn't work for Malbolgia anymore, he's freelance now. my team is all evil, but they have mutual enemies on the other team. they'll work together as long as there are enemies to kill. You cannot argue against Violator without having read the Spawn comics. Can Iceman beat Spawn? No. Violator has killed numerous Spawn and proven himself a match for Al Simmons on several occasions. And who says Violator has to beat Iceman directly? He can mess with his head, sneak up on him, shapeshift, torment him, etc. And you can't put him on ice. He'll break out. Violator does have teleporting, despite his not using it as much. And....magic. Hell magic is a very dangerous ability, and not something iceman has experience with. then it would appear violator is past E-Meta....and u should be disqualified.

And God Rugal B. sucks, he leaves himself open for punishment after all his dash attacks, and could lace Orochi's boots.

TricksterPriest
Aww, what's the matter? Have to resort to people trying to say I'm cheating because you're losing? Btw, Prometheus almost beat the entire justice league with prep. He underestimated Steel, and Batman barely beat him. Prometheus's prep skills are almost as good as the batmans.

Finally, Cable has NEVER soloed Apocalypse, when Apoc was at full power. He has always had help. Cable CAN'T take him. That shouldn't even be a discussion point.

StarsNeverFall7
Theres still the fact of Apocalypse thinking he is a god amongst his fellow team mates and the fact your working side by side someone who constantly releases a deadly phermone. The link to Violator states nothing about telepathy, teleporting, etc. Which would most likely push him out of the E. Meta Class.

Violator break out of the ice? The same ice that held hulk? I doubt this. Like I said him as a brick of ice, a few well placed explosives, telekentic slam, or hit from Mjonlir and he isn't still going to be standing.

Apocalypse is going to beat Thor when Cable single handedly hangs with him?
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v48/martel/Cable075-20.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v48/martel/Cable075-21.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v48/martel/Cable075-22.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v48/martel/Cable075-23.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v48/martel/Cable075-24.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v48/martel/Cable075-26.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v48/martel/Cable075-27.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v48/martel/Cable075-28.jpg

Show me something of someone mentally attacking Thor and succeeding?

Not to mention Cable should easily be able to tell the presence of gas among the oxygen.

TricksterPriest
what did those prove? Nothing. Apoc didn't lose, and Cable is not in Apoc's class. Ahem. When has anyone ever attacked Thor psychically? Nobody has tried it, doesn't mean it won't work. Btw, I'm sure Onslaught did do it. And this was before he got his power boost. Remember when he manipulated the Hulk and showed everyone on that avengers team (including thor) what could happen? Thor didn't try to stop it then. case closed.

King Kandy
starsneverfall7 seems to be a winner, here.

His teams more powerful, And TricksterPriest hasn't don emuch to counter that advantage.

King Kandy
Originally posted by TricksterPriest
what did those prove? Nothing. Apoc didn't lose, and Cable is not in Apoc's class. Ahem. When has anyone ever attacked Thor psychically? Nobody has tried it, doesn't mean it won't work. Btw, I'm sure Onslaught did do it. And this was before he got his power boost. Remember when he manipulated the Hulk and showed everyone on that avengers team (including thor) what could happen? Thor didn't try to stop it then. case closed.
Moondragon Psychically attacked Thor with Mind Gem.

It was ineffective.

StarsNeverFall7
Nobody has tried it. Doesn't mean it does work either.

I wouldn't think the spear through the chest later would class as him losing? My point wasn't to show a winner between Cable and Apocalypse, it was showing that Cable did it without much trouble, and if he could make for sure Thor can.

Still up for debate, HOW does your team survive the deadly phermone that Omega Red releases?

TricksterPriest
Two words. Carbonadium Synthesizer. Now shut up about Omega red.

King Kandy
Originally posted by StarsNeverFall7
Nobody has tried it. Doesn't mean it does work either.
Moondragon tried it, it didn't work.

StarsNeverFall7
Known superhuman powers: Omega Red has the ability to secrete pheromones from his body that will kill people in his immediate vicinity. He can also drain the life forces from these victims in order to sustain his own.

Special limitations: Due to his mutant "death factor" Omega Red must drain the life forces of others in order to remain active. However, if he found the carbonadium synthesizer, he could use it to synthesize carbonadium, the only metal that can neutralize the "death factor," thereby stabilizing it within his body

Thats from your listed link for him. Says he needs to drain life to stay alive, but if he was to aquire the Synthesizer, he wouldn't need to drain life anymore. Doesn't say a thing about it stopping the phermone release.

TricksterPriest
Omega Red has shown he can stop the pheromones, he just can't do it very long because he doesn't have the synthesizer. Without it, the pheromones build up in his system and eventually start killing him. with it, he wouldn't have to use the pheromones and would be able to control his powers better.

StarsNeverFall7
Thats about a 180* from what you posted link states but okay.

You want to send Omega Red after DP, DP has faired against Mr. Sinisters poisioning and the TO virus that is killing Cable and has taken over Apocalypse. A bodyslide, supressive gun fire, gerenade or two, and a well placed shroyuken clear this up.

As stated per you Nyssa may be near Batman, but she isn't him. In a full city, Batman should take this fight without much effort.

Sending Prometheus after Batgirl, what courage. All she needs to do is stay one step ahead and wait for Batman, shouldn't be too hard.

Spidey takes Venom on a chase, Spideys taken Gargan before in a city just like NY. He'll do it again.

Since we decided to send an E. Meta after my mutant, Ill do the same, Im going to go ahead and drop Iceman to deal with Death Gambit, which should take much effort at all. A rain of ice shards should do the trick.

Cable steps up against Violator. Shields up Cables ready to roll. I doubt Violator is putting out a Kiloton worth of damage in one shot. With a full gun aresenal, Fighting skills up to the 40th century, ability to step in between the moments, TP and his TK...Violator doesn't fare much of a chance.

Apocalypse vs Thor: Apocalypse gets an advantage because the Xmen and Xforce had to team up? Neither of those teams consist of Thor. Apocalypse is good, but a full force 3x light speed hammer throw will take him off of enough balance for Thor to finish the job. He can even get fancy with a Godblast if he wants to.

Evangel94
Originally posted by StarsNeverFall7
He can even get fancy with a Godblast if he wants to.

Not that I'm trying to debate you or anything but Thor has only used the godblast 3 times in all of marvel history: once against the Juggernaut, another against Galactus, and a third time against Exitar the Celestial.

I don't think he would use his ultimate last resort life or death situation weapon against someone like Apocalypse. Not only that, but if he did use it, it would put him past Herald level.

StarsNeverFall7
Yes, I know. Lol. It wasn't meant in a literal sense.

Blair Wind
voting starsneverfall. His debate so far seems much more organized, and more thought out

TricksterPriest
Not Gargan, Eddie Brock. And Brock isn't stupid like the scorpion. Death gambit can just bring down a building on iceman. What makes you think Apoc would stand still and let him use the godblast? Thor doesn't have the means to kill Apoc outright. Apoc's alot older and alot more cunning. And while Thor is fighting him, he can't help his team. sooner or later, my team will be the only ones left standing, and then Thor shall fall.

StarsNeverFall7
You think Iceman is going to let Gambit crumble a building ontop of him before Icesliding away? Doubt it. Iceman has fought fire foes far more powerful than Gambit with no trouble. He won't have ANY trouble with the cajun.

The roster stands as Gargan. The only one that was changed was prometheus, Gargans still the same. Like I said Spidey has beaten him before, he'll do it again. Gargans mental instability and lack of H2H will put him down before Spider-Man.

I'll give you Apocalypse being older. Has he spent thousands of years living and breathing war to gain the experience? No. He was too busy having his armies fight for him instead of being down there himself. Thor matches his physical strength, dwarfs him out as far as powers with Mjonlir, and by far surpasses him in fighting ability.

I wouldn't even bring up the arguement of using a Godblast, it was meant as a joke previously and wouldnt be fair in any match.

Evangel94
This debate suddenly stopped in its tracks.

Hmm...depending on the total number of votes for this thread tommorow morning, I may have have to extend this thread passed the 1 PM US Central Match close time to get more people to vote and have be a 2 day match just like the last match.

Tony Stark
Looks as if Starsneverfall7 has not only the more powerful characters but also the more versatile, battle tested and team oriented ones too, along with IMO having the better battle plan. I don't see tricksters Apoc>THOR theory... I think that it is the opposite.

My vote is for TEAM Starsneverfall7

TricksterPriest
**** it. I'm very tired. I've had a long week and a long day today. I'm in no mood for this and I'm too tired to care about this fight. Maybe if I was less out of it, I'd have done better. So...., I yield. I just don't care right now. I might have been able to pull out a win, but not like this. Good fight Starsneverfall17. You won today. I still think I could have won though.

Evangel94
Originally posted by TricksterPriest
**** it. I'm very tired. I've had a long week and a long day today. I'm in no mood for this and I'm too tired to care about this fight. Maybe if I was less out of it, I'd have done better. So...., I yield. I just don't care right now. I might have been able to pull out a win, but not like this. Good fight Starsneverfall17. You won today. I still think I could have won though.

Request to surrender denied. You cannot "yield" in my tournament.

People will vote, and the match will play out to the bitter end regardless if you don't choose to support the team you made.

StarsNeverFall7
Im still alive and well, had to step out for a bit to see a movie.

I really can't post too much more without a fight back...lets get the votes in!!

Scoobless
How about some elaboration on how you see the Herald level characters fight going?

StarsNeverFall7
Apocalypse has shown numerous abilities psionics, telepathy, teleporting, and etc. We all know that neither Thor or Apocalypse are going to graciously use any of their resources, because well...they are heavy hitters for the most part. Apocalypse is old, yes. Hes fought many wars from the sidelines while his armies did the work. Thor has lived and breathed war for thousands of years. After a long decadent speech about Thor and how dare you challenge the son of Odin, a battle begins.

Apocalypse could get creative, try to throw some enery blasts, forcefields, etc. Enery could easily get absorbed by Mjolnir, force fields cancelled out, etc. Its going to come down to a slug fest almost instantly. This is where Thor takes a heavy advantage due to his battle experience. Apocalypse is evil, and Thor is the good guy, though as often shown before Thor is very relentless in battle. In Apocalypses attempts to fight this off, he just simply can't handle a full fledged assualt from Thor. Thors fighting for what he holds dear hes not going to stop swinging that hammer until Apocalypse drops.

King Kandy
Originally posted by Evangel94
Request to surrender denied. You cannot "yield" in my tournament.

People will vote, and the match will play out to the bitter end regardless if you don't choose to support the team you made.
Is that rule really nessecery?

It seems kind of sadistic...

Evangel94
Originally posted by King Kandy
Is that rule really nessecery?

It seems kind of sadistic...

Surrendering is not an option. Either fight or let your team fall without helping them.

King Kandy
Originally posted by Evangel94
Surrendering is not an option. Either fight or let your team fall without helping them.
i know that's the rule. I'm wondering why.

Evangel94
Originally posted by King Kandy
i know that's the rule. I'm wondering why.

I say again,

Surrendering is not an option. Either fight or let your team fall without helping them.

King Kandy
If I wait until after the tournament is over, will you give me a real answer?

TricksterPriest
*sigh* Oh well, I tried. I'll keep fighting then.

Apocalypse was always on the front lines of his forces, as was shown in Cable&Deadpool. It's only in modern times, that he has acted with stealth and secrecy. Apoc's entire body is a weapon, so he has the fighting advantage in being able to confer any physical superpower onto himself. He's held down a raging Hulk. Thor is not capable of doing that. Apocalypse has energy conversion, what makes you think he can't convert electricity? Let's not forget the techno-organic virus. Unlike deadpool, thor has no means of countering that trick. Hell, he could even create a telepathic cloak for his allies, rendering them invisible to your team. Cable is your only telepath, and he can't solo Apoc without PIS.

Violator, a sadistic nightmare from the pits of hell. Frankly, outside of thor, you got nothing that can stop him. He can just regenerate, or worse, possess the bodies of one of your team. I'm not sure if that is against the rules. Evangel, can Violator take over the bodies of any of the opposing team? Even if that is a no-no, Violator has teleportation, hell magic, fear manipulation, possibly over class 100 strength and general insanity.

Iceman could beat Omega Red, I'll give you that. But it's going to take you valuable time and effort to stop him, and while you're at that, the rest of my team can take Iceman down.

For the last time, It's Eddie Brock, not Mac Gargan. Just because Evangel made a 2nd mistake is no reason for you to not cop to it. Spidey has never beaten Eddie without serious prep or PIS. And with Apoc's tech and the assault from my team, Eddie will finally have a clean shot at Spiderman. And don't you dare tell me Spiderman can beat Venom in a straight fight.

Prometheus beat Lady Shiva in 3 SECONDS. Cassandra can't win. Not to mention he was beating Batman in a straight fight. You want to know how Batman beat him? He had help from Steel, who helped him upload the physical data of Steven Hawking into his helmet. That paralyzed Prometheus, allowing batman to easily beat him. Nyssa doesn't have to win, just delay long enough for Prometheus to finish the job.

Death Gambit could be a one hit killer in this, but Evangel has forbidden that. He can still do things like run into a building, then turn the supports into acid. Or blow a support column and bring it down on their heads. Death Gambit has potential access to any kind of poison, toxic, or incapacitating substance in existance, he just has to think about it. You never answered my question about the toxic gas idea. An odorless, tasteless, invisible delayed reaction incapacitating gas. How do you stop it if you don't even know it's coming? Even Cable can't support a whole building with his TK. Cable also doesn't have his time travel skills, that goes against the rules.

Thor's power are dependant on his hammer, if blindsided, Apoc could force him to drop it. Then just hold him in a TK field until 60 seconds are up. Squish. You think the x-men, x-force, and x-factor couldn't beat Thor? Give me a break. Thor's powerful, but he's not good enough to beat all of them combined. Apoc almost did, and 2nd, prove to me that Apoc can't just absorb the lightning.

Evangel94
Originally posted by TricksterPriest
*sigh* Oh well, I tried. I'll keep fighting then.


This is why King Kandy. This is why. That's the only answer your going to get.

TricksterPriest
I was feeling tired earlier. but since I can't surrender, I fight on. Btw, did you check my question about Violator? Can he possess the bodies of his teammates or enemies?

StarsNeverFall7
Cable can't support a building? Kind of like how he was being pulled by Surfer while telepathically linked, Rebuilding detroyed buildings, destroyed his surfboard, then holds up a space station?? A building is nothing.

Mac Gargan is what was stated, thats what im going by. Thats what its staying at. Ev didn't change it, and its not getting changed again. Like I said Spidey has beaten him before, he'll do it again. He general insanity and lack of H2H leave him behind in this fight.

Id stop trying to take Violator out of the limits of the class he is in, unless you want me to do the same for Iceman. And don't try to tell me Violator is beating a non rule restricted Iceman, it wont happen.

Is Lady Shiva Batman? No. This is in a city, Batman isn't going to be seen until the fight is already over.

Batgirl doesn't have to win, just evade long enough for assistance.

Cable is my only telepath yep, and that telepath could eaisly cause that TO virus within Apocalypse to rage out of control. If he can keep it in check, make for sure he can make it go crazy.

Gambit isn't allowed a one hit kill. Hes a decent fighter and fairly agile, I'll say it again. A bodyslide by one, some supressive gun fire, gernade or two, and a shroyuken to the head and gambit isnt fighting much more.

Apocalypse isn't knocking Thors hammer away, a simple call of will and its back in his hands.

Since Ive continously been putting up a defense against your strategy, how does your team expect to handle a barrage of lighting attacks from Thor followed by a full razor sharp ice shard rain from Cable and Iceman?

StarsNeverFall7
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v607/Argosax/WhatIf045-40a.jpg

Thor not capable of holding down a raging hulk?? Yea, okay.

TricksterPriest
You can't use the surfer fight, this isn't god-like cable.

FOR THE LAST GODDAMN TIME, IT'S EDDIE BROCK. Read the damn link on page 2. I PUT BROCK, NOT GARGAN, AS MY FINAL PICK.

Apoc can shield his team, so can Violator. Death Gambit can throw knockout gas at your team, or a paralyzing gas. Or acid raid, with a little help from apoc. You haven't shown me that Thor can break Apoc's forcefields with brute force, and what makes you think that Apoc can't hold the hammer in a separate TK field?

StarsNeverFall7
Thor not break Apocalypses force fields?? Would this be the same Thor that easily cancelled out Juggernauts forcefield with a hammer throw?

Gas, should be a derivit of water, easily frozen. Acid rain, with a god who can control rain and someone who freezes water, and two people who can apply forcefields...thats not getting to far.

Apocalypse not be able to hold the hammer in a TK field? Because the hammer CANT be lifted by someone who isn't deemed worthy by the gods. Apocalypse is far from that.

Also page two, you complained about Iceman, got excited about Apocalypse as your herald and commented about Spawn and Violator needing to be depowered because of them being in E meta

StarsNeverFall7
Also on a second note, just checked the discussion thread. No where was your choice mentioned or changed from Gargan to Brock.

TricksterPriest
Who said lifting? Nobody has ever thought to use TK to hold it. there's a vast difference between physically lifting it, and lifting it with TK. Wait, Thor canceling Jugg's field? Bullshit. Jugg's field stopped the hammer and then sent it back. However, I do agree that nobody on my team has a prayer of physically lifting the hammer.

Believe me, Violator is de-powered. If he had his full power, he'd have a shot at beating Thor. Just because I'm being creative with his powers doesn't mean I'm breaking the rules.

StarsNeverFall7
Thors hammer cancelled the sheild and covered them both in mystical energies. Mystical enchantments on the hammer, magic. Im betting it cuts through Apocalypses shield like a hot knife through butter.

Oh yes, because if no one can physically lift it, now all of a sudden someone can use TK to do so?? Doubtful, only the worthy lift the hammer. Doesn't matter how you lift it, your still lifting it.

King Kandy
Originally posted by StarsNeverFall7
Oh yes, because if no one can physically lift it, now all of a sudden someone can use TK to do so?? Doubtful, only the worthy lift the hammer. Doesn't matter how you lift it, your still lifting it.
Magneto Magnetically lifted it, this isn't any different.

StarsNeverFall7
K, ill let that slide then. Still doesn't change the fact of the matter Apocalypse isn't going to be getting it out of Thors hand.

Evangel94
TricksterPriest gets whatever team he drafted in the final confirmation thread. If I missed that he changed venoms, I apologize.

StarsNeverFall7
I just checked the entire discussion thread and confirmation, there was no change of Venoms. Was stated as current(gargan) and never changed.

Im off for now, I'll be back later to continue the match

Evangel94
Originally posted by StarsNeverFall7
I just checked the entire discussion thread and confirmation, there was no change of Venoms. Was stated as current(gargan) and never changed.

Im off for now, I'll be back later to continue the match

TricksterPriest, I believe, did change his team on this page:

Look under his "FINAL TEAM PICKS". I know it's hard to spot. I missed it too. He changed from gargan to Eddie Brock.

http://www.killermovies.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=433143&perpage=20&highlight=&pagenumber=13

Roldz
Vote for Starsneverfall7, well taught out plan.. More likely to happen than tricksterpriest scenario..

StarsNeverFall7
Another change ill just have to up a strategy for...oh well.

Scoobless
Originally posted by King Kandy
Magneto Magnetically lifted it, this isn't any different.

When?

xmarksthespot
See the Magneto respect thread.

Omega Red can direct the release of his death spores.

Apocalypse is not more powerful than Thor.

Why is King Kam posting strategy posts?

Am leaning towards StarsNeverFall but not voting yet.

Scoobless
Originally posted by xmarksthespot
See the Magneto respect thread.

It's 8 pages and a lot of scans ... do you know exactly where it is?

http://www.killermovies.com/forums/f95/t417866.html

xmarksthespot
I have it near the top of page 3 -- my settings are on 40 posts a page.

Scoobless
Originally posted by xmarksthespot
I have it near the top of page 3 -- my settings are on 40 posts a page.

This:

http://i10.photobucket.com/albums/a140/MightilyOats/Magneto87.jpg

That isn't the same as lifting the hammer ... if it was on the ground he couldn't have moved it.

StarsNeverFall7
Thor still has full hold of his trusty hammer, Magneto just sent it flying whilst in his hand.

Therefor Thor, who is worthy was holding it. Not Magneto.

xmarksthespot
To paraphrase: Not even Mjolnir is immune to his power.

How exactly is that ambiguous?

Scoobless
Originally posted by xmarksthespot
To paraphrase: Not even Mjolnir is immune to his power.

How exactly is that ambiguous?

It's not ... but anyone with enough strength or an energy blast can knock it away while he's holding it, they cannot, however, lift it when it's on the ground.

Laminator_X
I'm Voting for Starsneverfall

King Kandy
Originally posted by Scoobless
It's not ... but anyone with enough strength or an energy blast can knock it away while he's holding it, they cannot, however, lift it when it's on the ground.
Early in Thors Career Magneto stopped Thors hammer dead in it's tracks Magnetically.

Scoobless
Stopping it isn't remotely the same as lifting it.

King Kandy
Originally posted by Scoobless
Stopping it isn't remotely the same as lifting it.
Besides, Non-Living things can pick up the hammer.

Magneto can effect the hammer.

Magnetism isn't alive.

Hence, Magneto could use his powers to lift it.

Scoobless
No, he can't.

King Kandy
Originally posted by Scoobless
No, he can't.
Look, I used logic to back up my views.

But you just say "It wouldn't work" over and over again without any evidence.

Evangel94
Magneto has used Magnetism to lift mjolnir in the past.

Various robots have picked up mjolnir. Non-liiving entities have picked up mjolnir.

The Destroyer armor has also picked up mjolnir and started smacking Thor with it.

In all those instances though, mjolnir just acted like a normal hammer. It didn't grant the powers of thor to any of them. You have to actually be alive, be "worthy", and physically lift it to get thor's powers.

Scoobless
Its enchantment prevents gits like Magneto from shifting it.

King Kandy
Originally posted by Scoobless
Its enchantment prevents gits like Magneto from shifting it.
Shifting it?

He shifted it in every scan we brought up...

Loot

StarsNeverFall7
So were down to the point of Apocalypse trying to get the hammer away from Thors hand to even hold it with TK, another event I really don't see occuring.

Evangel94
I'm going to extend this match to Monday. This match will end a little before 1 PM US Central Time.

Scoobless
Gotta vote for Stars.

Nothing put forward so far has convinced me that Apoc could beat Thor.

Either Iceman or Cable could take out Omega Red.... and even though Violator may be able to take out Iceman it still leaves Stars with Cable & Thor versus whatever low class guys are still around.

TricksterPriest
Mustard gas is the common name given to 1,1-thiobis(2-chloroethane), a chemical warfare agent that is believed to have first been used near Ypres in Flanders on 12th July 1917. Its chemical formula is Cl-CH2-CH2-S-CH2-CH2-Cl

No water, no freezy. Ok, not one of you has given me a single reason why Apoc can't just absorb the lightning. The Absorbing man did it, why not Apoc? Apoc has the ability to absord energy, so why not lightning?

Dreampanther
Voting for StarsNeverFall.

Evangel94
Originally posted by Dreampanther
Voting for StarsNeverFall.

I would prefer you state why or I might have to nullify your vote.

All I ask is a reason on why you voting for StarsNeverFall7.

Dreampanther
Sorry - will do - but I'm at work, and my manager walks past every now and again - and I'm not really allowed on here while I'm at work - so I just wanted to post a vote before the battle gets closed.

So if I only post half a sentence you know I had to flee! Just PM me, or as you did now, ask me to elaborate later - then I'll answer as soon as I get a few minutes again.

Anyways, few reasons: Stars argued better for his team, so he was a better general. Priest actually threw in the towel earlier, so his team was effectively leaderless for a while.

Stars had an answer for all Priest's attacks, even up to and including changing tactics when it seemed the more optimal strategy to pursue. His team seems more than strong enough to be at least Priest's equal, and combined with his leadership which is motivated and passionate, that gives him the edge.

I see Thor being at least Apoc's equal, both basically immortal, both very powerful, both with centuries of experience - but Thor is actually a god, while Apocalypse just wants to become one. So Thor gets the edge, IMO. You gave the teams two hours prep time, and here I am - I'm going to say it - wait for it - I know, you've all been waiting for it -

IT'S THE GODDAMN BATMAN! With prep time! And all his accessories! And Stars said in his write-up that they will be using this time to prepare for Priest's attack. That means Batman gives Spiderman his ultrasonics and Zippo lighter and fluid (for instance), so Venom is down before he even gets up. Everybody gets gas masks, or nose filters, so Gambit's gas attacks won't work - leaving Priet's street levellers wide-open to Batman, Spiderman, Batgirl, Deadpool - and they go down like scuba-divers in a a cage full of sharks. You just had to go and give Batman prep-time, didn't you? stick out tongue

Look, 90% of the time it might be considered PIS, but on the other hand, Batman with prep is like Quasar preparing himself for a battle with the Silver Surfer by building quantum shields - the longer you give him, the more of an advantage he has. This has been proved conclusively, I think.

This means Bobby just has to keep Violator busy until he gets help and from there on it's all pie and gravy.

Of course it's not gonna be that easy, and there are dozens of other ways the battle might evolve, and I would like to give Priest this opportunity to perhaps come up with a strategy to change my mind - but as of right now I am sure that Stars' team can take this.

Hope this answers my reasons for voting, sorry I didn't elaborate earlier - will try not to do it again.

Some good strategies by both teams - congratulations to you both!

Loot

StarsNeverFall7
I just hate those sneaky managers....

Dreampanther
Originally posted by StarsNeverFall7
I just hate those sneaky managers....

Tell me about it - actually expecting you to work, rather than just get paid for surfing the net and downloading comics - what arrogance! What sheer effrontery!

StarsNeverFall7
We have no water no freezy. Still doesn't alter the fact the gas will differ from the oxygen molecules in the air and be a dead give away to Cable that something is wrong..

The lighting isn't an energy attack from Thor, its lighting. The attack wasn't meant to drain Apocalypse either, it was meant to cause a little bit of harm and distraction to him, allow for the ice shards, a bit more distraction and Thor begins his assualt on Apocalypse.

Evangel94
I honestly think this match has gone on long enough and that the winner has been decided already.

Therefore, with that said...

The results are in!

hulk10 - StarsNeverFall7
King KAM - StarsNeverFall7
King Kandy - StarsNeverFall7
Blair Wind - StarsNeverFall7
Tony Stark - StarsNeverFall7
Roldz - StarsNeverFall7
Laminator X - StarsNeverFall7
Loot - StarsNeverFall7
Scoobless - StarsNeverFall7
Dreampanther - StarsNeverFall7

Ichigo66666 - TricksterPriest

StarsNeverFall7 defeats TricksterPriest in a 10 to 1 victory.

Winner: StarsNeverFall7

Match over.

DigiMark007
Cool. Congrats.

Unpinning and such.

TricksterPriest
Aw nuts. Oh well. Next time I'll have scans and be less tired when I make my strats. Good fight, good night. Good match stars.

StarsNeverFall7
Good match Priest.

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