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Ok Vader says this line to luke in all three movies why ?? He hates obi wan but he still talks about him

Is it another idea by GL ?

He says it in episode 4?

People still talkl about things if they hate them, I hate a lot of things that I still talk about. OB1 didn't even train Luke that much, Yoda did more.

Vader didn't know about Yoda. He assumed that Obi-Wan had taught him

All those who hate Bush still talk about him, don't they?

Why wouldn't Vader still mention Obi-Wan when he's facing down his son whom he knows was trained by his old master whom he hasn't seen in 20-some years?

i think there is a little bit of respect still there for Obi
not because of his faith but great warriors and all that
ive had a beer
clouded my judgement is

He says it in ESB and ROTJ

lol why did you say all three. Have you seen episode 4?

"I've been waiting for you Obi Wan. We meet again at last."

This line was edited from:

"I've been waiting for you, Obi Wan has trained you well. We meet again at last."

He mever says it in ANH.... he never even meets Luke face-to-face.

Originally posted by coolmovies
Ok Vader says this line to luke in all three movies why ?? He hates obi wan but he still talks about him

Is it another idea by GL ?

Because Vader is impressed with the sudden increase to skill level and handling of the Force Luke shows. He is able to resist the dark side and keep his emotions at bay in Episode VI which Vader finds impressive because he would have never been able to do that when he was Luke's age.

Originally posted by ESB -1138
Because Vader is impressed with the sudden increase to skill level and handling of the Force Luke shows. He is able to resist the dark side and keep his emotions at bay in Episode VI which Vader finds impressive because he would have never been able to do that when he was Luke's age. coolmovies wasn't asking why Vader keeps commenting on his skill, but rather why he keeps mentioning Obi-Wan.

Originally posted by Tangible God
coolmovies wasn't asking why Vader keeps commenting on his skill, but rather why he keeps mentioning Obi-Wan.

Because Anakin was trained by Obi-Wan and he didn't resist the dark side as much as Luke who was also trained by Kenobi. That's my guess.

Wow, what a useless thread. Let's answer this question once and for all and end it.

Vader tells Luke he was well trained by Obi-Wan in Empire and Jedi because he didn't expect Luke to be that powerful in the Force, considering there aren't any Jedi left to train him, as far as he knows. Remember, Vader has NO idea Yoda is still around. He goes on to assume it's been Obi-Wan that has trained him all these years up to the the point Vader kills him on the Death Star in A New Hope. When Vader sees how powerful Luke really is, he HAS to give props to the training he believes Obi-Wan has to have given Luke. Especially considering he thinks of Obi-Wan as a failure.

Hope this helps answer this question.

Originally posted by Tangible God
All those who hate Bush still talk about him, don't they?

very good point.

ya thanks alot guys

Originally posted by coolmovies
Ok Vader says this line to luke in all three movies why ?? He hates obi wan but he still talks about him

Is it another idea by GL ?

I'm guessing Vader somehow saw Luke before Luke shot at the door, and Vader assumed Luke came with Obi-Wan.

Really??????????

I think he was more trying to play to Luke's emotions. Like, OB1 trained you well, let me, your father complete your training, and we'll kick ass from there. He basically said that anyway, but thats why I think he mentioned it. And sesse...what the hell are you talking about? Both those lines imply talking to a completely different person...it wasn't edited from that.

ME talks about the truth! Me talks about the gorge lucus!

wow

Who is Gorge Lucus?

hmmm... Now that was elegant.

Indeed.

Also remember that Darth Vader/Anakin was dissatisfied with his own training by Obi Wan. It's almost as if he's saying Obi Wan has trained you (Luke) well, why the hell couldn't he have done that for me?!?

Good point.

No, it isn't. In ROTS he thanked him for his training.

Yeah, and then he left the entire Jedi code behind. I see what you're saying, Queeq. I just think he felt that way before he turned, afterwards every feeling he had for Obi-Wan, including that of how he was trained, was gone. Remember, Obi-Wan says to Anakin, "I have failed you, Anakin.", and Vader says to Luke, "Now his failure is complete.". I see a connection there.

Yeah, well, I think the entire Jedi order failed in Anakin's training. I am just not convinced by the PT OB1 could have done better, or anyone for that matter. No one ever handled such a case, so old and so gifted a padawan.

Very true.

So OB1 FEELS guilty, doesn't mean he was. GL always said Anakin CHOSE his path.

Guilt is a feeling. If he fells guilty it means he was guilty. Honestly, Obi_wan was not prepared to do any of that stuff. He was granted the rank of Jedi Master because he defeated a Sith.... no one knows that he got lucky. Who's to say he told the Council the truth: "Umm, I got my a** kicked by the Sith Lord, but he was arrogant and I saw a chance to use some trickery and catch him off guard... lucky for me I guess, ha ha.". He was never ready to train Anakin, he did it at the behest of Qui-Gon, that was the real tragedy of the prequels, that Qui-Gon's death was what thrust Obi-Wan into a position he wasn't ready for.

Sorry, repost.

Originally posted by SpaceMonkey
Guilt is a feeling. If he fells guilty it means he was guilty. Honestly, Obi_wan was not prepared to do any of that stuff. He was granted the rank of Jedi Master because he defeated a Sith.... no one knows that he got lucky. Who's to say he told the Council the truth: "Umm, I got my a** kicked by the Sith Lord, but he was arrogant and I saw a chance to use some trickery and catch him off guard... lucky for me I guess, ha ha.". He was never ready to train Anakin, he did it at the behest of Qui-Gon, that was the real tragedy of the prequels, that Qui-Gon's death was what thrust Obi-Wan into a position he wasn't ready for. I once felt guilty because I thought I lost my friend's car keys at a bar, but then it turned out they were in my back pocket. I felt guilty but that doesn't mean I was guilty.

Well played, Tangible God!! However, Obi-Wan never found the keyes he lost... he always lived with the guilt... and Vader never got his keyes back.

The truth of the matter is, Obi-Wan didn't lose Anakin's keys in the first place. Palpatine stole them, and said Obi-Wan lost them. Even by ROTJ, Palpatine snuck off Coruscant late at night to go cruising in Anakin's old BMW Starfighter, which Vader still kept in top shape, just hoping that one day, the ghost of Obi-Wan might return his keys.

That's why he keeps mentioning Obi-Wan to Luke. He was hoping Obi-Wan had handed the keys down to him during his training.

Dumb ass should had an extra set for those kinds of situations. Its his own fault, nobody else's.

So tell me then: what exactly did OB1 do wrong from what we know from AOTC and ROTS?

I don't think that Obi did do anything wrong with his training of Anakin. Anakin was just not a strong enough character to resist the temptations of the dark side. Luke, on the other hand, was.

Anakin felt dissatisfied because he wanted more glory and power. Obi and the rest of the jedi weren't going to give it to him.

Obi felt guilty because he felt responsible for Anakin in the same way a father feels responsible for a child. But sometimes the child does stupid things, and it's not the fault of the parent.

Exactly. I agree.

Luke should be the chosen one, and he is for me.

Originally posted by Tangible God
The truth of the matter is, Obi-Wan didn't lose Anakin's keys in the first place. Palpatine stole them, and said Obi-Wan lost them. Even by ROTJ, Palpatine snuck off Coruscant late at night to go cruising in Anakin's old BMW Starfighter, which Vader still kept in top shape, just hoping that one day, the ghost of Obi-Wan might return his keys.

That's why he keeps mentioning Obi-Wan to Luke. He was hoping Obi-Wan had handed the keys down to him during his training.


LOL!!

The Keymaster.

Originally posted by queeq
Luke should be the chosen one, and he is for me.

But there wouldnt be a Luke if it wasnt for Anakin and the lack of condoms in the SW Universe.

So? Is a SW chosen one not allowed to have a dad?

Anakin didnt.

But he ain't the Chosen One.

Anakin was carrying the chosen one.... down there... for over 20 years. So it COULD have been Luke that was being detected all that time, hypothetically. I must meditate on this.

It;s just my fantasy and personal preference. I know Anakin is the chosen one, but he's a poor saviour. In his good days he was a whining brat, and he could only turn after seeing his son resist the dark side. So yeah.... I'd have preferred no chosen-one sh!t in SW, but Luke seems to fit the picture better. IMHO OC.

Agreed

Wow... good.

Originally posted by queeq
It;s just my fantasy and personal preference. I know Anakin is the chosen one, but he's a poor saviour. In his good days he was a whining brat, and he could only turn after seeing his son resist the dark side. So yeah.... I'd have preferred no chosen-one sh!t in SW, but Luke seems to fit the picture better. IMHO OC.

I guess not all messiahs save a golden age from a dark age. Anakin still did what was prophesied. He just did it without candy and ice-cream falling from the sky.

Originally posted by Rampant ox
Anakin didnt. PLAGUEIS!!!

Sorry I kind of shouted that without fully explaining. Darth Plagueis is the father of Anakin Skywalker.

Originally posted by Phoenix2001
I guess not all messiahs save a golden age from a dark age. Anakin still did what was prophesied. He just did it without candy and ice-cream falling from the sky.

he kinda undid what he partly caused himself after 20 years...