Darth Maul vs Mace Windu
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Darth Martin
The question is.......would Maul have put up a better fight than Sidious did in RotS. There are no other jedi just these two. Senate office:same setting.
Darth Sexy
Considering that Sidious was at his peak in lightsaber combat at TPM, and defeated Maul, the answer is no. Maul would be most equivalent to Obi Wan. Mace would destroy him faster than he took out Sidious.
Gideon
Would Maul have put up a better fight? No. As for Mace vs. Maul, Mace is the better swordsman and better Force user. He wins this with, perhaps, moderate difficulty.
Darth Martin
I was just asking because, Maul looked alot better in TPM than Palpatine did in RotS. Also, Yoda is more powerful than Mace as we all know and lost/stalemated/retreated whatever you want to call it and Mace put him on his ***. And if it hadn't had been for Skywalker, Palpatine would be dead IMO. I don't buy that "hrew the fight" BS.
jollyjim311
Maul would lose, no way to bullshit around it. However, it would be a ***** for Windu. Mace has a definite victory, but, it'll be tough.
zephiel7
Mace wtfdestroys him.
Sexyback
Mace destroys him. Maul is actually pretty whack; he was getting bested by an enraged padawan Obi-Wan, he's barely mastered an incomplete form, he's reckless, leaves himself open far too much. He's flashy, and acrobatic, I'll give him that, but his technique is pretty shoddy. I give him 15 seconds tops.
Gideon
Please. RotJ Luke wasn't as skilled as RotJ Vader, but when he tapped into the dark side, he was destroying him in combat. It gives the user a slight edge against his opponent for enough time; that's all.
That Maul was able to manhandle Obi-Wan and Qui-Gon simultaneously ought to make it clear that he is, individually, better than both of them by a solid amount.
There's no way Maul's going to win, but his speed and ferocity would likely give Mace a bit of trouble. Just a bit, though.
jollyjim311
Maul is too fast, strong, skilled, and smart to be destroyed by Mace (or anyone, really, who isn't Luke or some other uber character) easily in lightsaber combat. Mace wins, but, it's not a walk in the park. It was said that Qui Gon, who was beaten, after meditating, in thirty seconds by Maul was on par with Mace. In Shadow Hunter, I believe, it says that Maul would like to test his skills against someone like Mace Windu. This is however as of TPM, and Mace has grown since then. Mace wins, but, it takes some effort.
zephiel7
Originally posted by Gideon
Please. RotJ Luke wasn't as skilled as RotJ Vader, but when he tapped into the dark side, he was destroying him in combat. It gives the user a slight edge against his opponent for enough time; that's all.
That Maul was able to manhandle Obi-Wan and Qui-Gon simultaneously ought to make it clear that he is, individually, better than both of them by a solid amount.
There's no way Maul's going to win, but his speed and ferocity would likely give Mace a bit of trouble. Just a bit, though.
Mace would raise an eyebrow:"This is some ****ed-up repugnant shit!"
Afterwards he would massacre Maul.
Mace grows a lot JJ. Lucas even mentions Mace was able to "overpower" Sidious. Add in Maul's cockiness, and the fact that Vaapad is a superconducting loop for hatred (which Maul really loves to use being a Sith and all) and Maul will surely go down hard, I would think.
Gideon
Originally posted by zephiel7
Mace would raise an eyebrow:"This is some ****ed-up repugnant shit!"
Afterwards he would massacre Maul.
No.
He'd don the fro, put his lightsaber away, whip out his gun, and blow Maul to hell.
Probably read a verse from the Bible, lol.
Sexyback
Originally posted by Gideon
Please. RotJ Luke wasn't as skilled as RotJ Vader, but when he tapped into the dark side, he was destroying him in combat. It gives the user a slight edge against his opponent for enough time; that's all.
..and Mace constantly has that advantage.
Did we watch the same movie? He was only able to 'manhandle' them one on one, together he was only just able to contend and had to constantly separate them.
His speed and ferocity would work against him, not for him. The more ferocious Maul gets, the more open he leaves himself, it wouldn't take long for Mace to find an opening, especially when considering his shatterpoint talent.
Sexyback
Originally posted by jollyjim311
Maul is too fast, strong, skilled,
He's pretty fast and strong, nothing too special in that respect, but technically, he sucks. He's barely mastered an incomplete form, he's reckless, he leaves himself open, and a padawan was able to best, that goes to show how unskilled Maul was.
LMFAO! Yep, Maul's one smart SoB!
He wouldn't have to try at all, Mace completely destroys him.
Gideon
No. The TPM visual guide makes it quite clear that Maul was one of the deadliest apprentices in Sith history. Mace wouldn't lose. But he's not going to take two swings and cut Maul in half, heavens no. And, like I said. Obi-Wan didn't best him.
But, hey. Kudos for being an idiot, Planet.
Sexyback
I forgot you needed authors to make up your mind for you.
And the key word = 'apprentice'.
Did I say that?
Yes, he did. He sliced his saber in two, kicked him like he was a little b1tch, had Maul running, and Maul had to use a force power to stop the onslaught.
Kudos for not knowing jack about sword fighting, Gideon.
General Kenobl
Mace doesn't destroy Zabrak. Neither does he have hell. It'll be a good fight with some difficulty posed by Maul, but nothing too serious.
Gideon
You've always used those statements when authors' have contradicted your opinion. I've always found it a bit odd; your opinion simply doesn't matter. Maul is one of the most deadly Sith apprentices in history.
Aren't you the one proclaiming Bastilla to be God's gift to dueling? What was she? Oh, yeah, a padawan - which is technically less than a Sith apprentice in terms of hierarchy. So, obviously, Maul's status as an apprentice won't discredit his abilities with a saber.
Nice attempt at double standards, though.
You said "15 seconds tops". An exaggeration. Obi-Wan was able to last longer against Dooku in AotC and in RotS for longer than that, despite being completely outclassed by him.
Mace's gonna win, no doubt. But Maul isn't going to go down easily.
No, he didn't. Again: read the novelization. Using Force powers in combat is perfectly legitimate. Maul outmaneuvered him and outwitted him, due to Obi-Wan's seconds of complete recklessness. So, no. He wasn't winning.
Yes, Sword Master, 'cause you've shown us that you're an expert on it.
Captain REX
Maul was at his peak in TPM and incredibly skilled, but Mace is the better fighter in this match...
((The_Anomaly))
Mace wins this possibly with some slight difficulty, but there's no way that Mace will lose. Maul isn't overcoming one of the best swordsmen in the SW universe armed with an Uber version of Mauls own lightsaber style as well as having his shatterpoint ability. Plus Mace is probably more physically powerful then Maul, seeing as Maul isn't a very big guy, he's fast and strong for his size, but he's no Anakin or Mace. Mace would just pummel him into the ground with Vaapad and there's not a whole lot Maul could do about it. Mace 10/10
Gideon
Originally posted by ((The_Anomaly))
Mace wins this possibly with some slight difficulty, but there's no way that Mace will lose. Maul isn't overcoming one of the best swordsmen in the SW universe armed with an Uber version of Mauls own lightsaber style as well as having his shatterpoint ability. Plus Mace is probably more physically powerful then Maul, seeing as Maul isn't a very big guy, he's fast and strong for his size, but he's no Anakin or Mace. Mace would just pummel him into the ground with Vaapad and there's not a whole lot Maul could do about it. Mace 10/10
darthsith19
Maul doesn't put up as good of a fight as Palaptine does, and btw the poll sucks, cause he won't put up of a fight but he lasts alot longer than Jango did.
S_W_LeGenD
Darth Maul is not Jango.
He is will put up a good fight against Mace.
Darth Martin
Originally posted by darthsith19
Maul doesn't put up as good of a fight as Palaptine does, and btw the poll sucks, cause he won't put up of a fight but he lasts alot longer than Jango did. Yea my fault on the poll!
Darth Subjekt
Originally posted by Sexyback
I forgot you needed authors to make up your mind for you.
And the key word = 'apprentice'.
ohhh, you mean like how you're using the "Vader tried his best to wear down old Ben." quote? I forgot that through double standards, you need authors to make up your mind, when it suits your purpose of course.
Apprentice means dick. Maul, killed by and apprentice; QGJ, killed by an apprentice; Dooku, killed by someone just out of full fledged apprenticeship; Sidious, killed by and apprentice. All the Jedi killed by Dooku, a Sith apprentice. You can shove that apprentice shit back up your ass.
Originally posted by Sexyback
Yes, he did. He sliced his saber in two, kicked him like he was a little b1tch, had Maul running, and Maul had to use a force power to stop the onslaught.
I seem to remember OB1 being kicked and thrown around, however, i don't recall Maul running from anyone. So whats your point? OB1 had to use two force powers to kill Maul...big deal. Do you remember something about "brainpower"? hmmm...
Originally posted by Sexyback
Kudos for not knowing jack about sword fighting, Gideon. Kudos for not knowing anything about logic, Nebaris, Kas'im, Dessel, Crador, Planet, Sexyback.
(how gay are guys that listen to Justin Timberlake? hmmm)
Maul puts up a valiant effort, but Mace pwns him. I mean c'mon, he has BMF on the bottom of his lightsaber!
Gideon
Damn. I smell crispy Planet.
Blaxican
Maul DID run, however. he ran like a little ***** after he got knocked flat on his ass by a pissed off Kenobi.
((The_Anomaly))
yea but kenobi didn't beat him. maul still won the fight.
please excuse punctuation and caps I'm typing this on my Wii. lol
Blaxican
Originally posted by ((The_Anomaly))
yea but kenobi didn't beat him. maul still won the fight.
please excuse punctuation and caps I'm typing this on my Wii. lol
Wii, awsome.
And Kenobi was whooping Mauls ass in saber combat up until the point were force pushed him. I wouldn't say 'whooping him", but he was for the first nine or so seconds, then he was managing to go toe-to-toe, which just enforces my belief that Obi-Wan is a better duelist then people give him credit for. He just couldn't go all out because A) Ataru is not a good form to use when fighting a few feet next to partner, who is also an ataru user. And B) It took the power of Qui-Gons death to give him the morale boost that he needed to unleash his full potential.
Gideon
Blaxican, the novel makes it quite clear that Obi-Wan caught Maul off guard with his initial assault, and - if I'm not mistaken - he had tapped into the dark side.
On even ground, with both combatants prepared, TPM Obi-Wan is no match for Maul. Not even close.
kamhal
Windu wins this. Not as easily as Jango but he wins
Darth Martin
Originally posted by Gideon
Blaxican, the novel makes it quite clear that Obi-Wan caught Maul off guard with his initial assault, and - if I'm not mistaken - he had tapped into the dark side.
On even ground, with both combatants prepared, TPM Obi-Wan is no match for Maul. Not even close. Exactly, Qui Gon>Obi Wan in saber dueling and in overall power. Kenopbi justed did all those tight moves atthe end because he tapped into the darkside.
Blaxican
Originally posted by Gideon
Blaxican, the novel makes it quite clear that Obi-Wan caught Maul off guard with his initial assault, and - if I'm not mistaken - he had tapped into the dark side.
On even ground, with both combatants prepared, TPM Obi-Wan is no match for Maul. Not even close.
So Maul was unable to handle a pissed off padawan, yet was able to handle a completely revitalized Jedi Master? If Maul being caught off gaurd proved to be THAT much of a difference, then Obi-Wan obviously wasn't THAT much weaker then Maul was.
Gideon
Originally posted by Blaxican
So Maul was unable to handle a pissed off padawan, yet was able to handle a completely revitalized Jedi Master? If Maul being caught off gaurd proved to be THAT much of a difference, then Obi-Wan obviously wasn't THAT much weaker then Maul was.
The TPM novel states that Obi-Wan is not yet as skilled or as powerful as Qui-Gon is (though it does say that Qui-Gon believed that Obi-Wan would eventually surpass him by a considerable amount), and Maul wiped his ass with Qui-Gon in single combat.
Do the math, Blaxican. If Maul > Qui-Gon by quite a bit, and Qui-Gon > Obi-Wan by a sizeable amount - then the reason that Maul was being driven backwards was that he was caught off guard (like the novel says) and Obi-Wan briefly touched the dark side - which gave him a momentary advantage.
TPM Maul > TPM Obi-Wan by an extreme amount in terms of mastery, weapons training, physical skills, and overall power.
kamhal
Maul was not THAT much strong then qui-gon. They had a long fight and they were even, and only when qui-gon has not enough espace to proparly use his ataru, them maul won the upper hand amd pierced him.
((The_Anomaly))
Originally posted by kamhal
Maul was not THAT much strong then qui-gon. They had a long fight and they were even, and only when qui-gon has not enough espace to proparly use his ataru, them maul won the upper hand amd pierced him.
Actually as I recall in TPM novel it blatantly says that Maul is Superior to the Duo.
kamhal
I didn't say he was not superior, i was just saying he was not THAT superior.
Gideon
Originally posted by kamhal
Maul was not THAT much strong then qui-gon. They had a long fight and they were even, and only when qui-gon has not enough espace to proparly use his ataru, them maul won the upper hand amd pierced him.
No. The novelization makes it clear that the only reason Qui-Gon did well was because of his "experience" (which, being a sixty year old man, is obviously considerably superior to Maul's own). He knew that Maul possessed more skill, was stronger, faster, more agile, and had much more training in a wider assortment of weapons. Not to mention the obvious martial arts prowess.
Skill? Maul, despite being younger and inexperienced compared to Qui-Gon, was much better.
Darth Martin
I would say Maul surpassed Jinn by quite a bit as far as battle and power and everything. But knowledge of the force and experience and all I would say Jinn is better. When Maul took on Jinn at Tattoine for the first time was for a few seconds. After it, Jinn was exhausted and Maul was ready for more. That says alot.
Sexyback
True, but I'd actually say that Qui-Gon was technically better, Maul's speed and skill was just a bit too much for him.
Gideon
Originally posted by Sexyback
True, but I'd actually say that Qui-Gon was technically better, Maul's speed and skill was just a bit too much for him.
Yeah, did you just glaze over my entire argument, completely? The novelization makes it clear. Maul's skill surpassed Qui-Gon's own. Qui-Gon lamented that Maul was faster, stronger, more agile, more skilled with a lightsaber, and had more weapons training than he did.
The Force is debatable. Qui-Gon hasn't appeared to be a Force titan (though his understanding of the Force is arguably superior to anyone in the movies) - but overall in a combat situation? No, Qui-Gon is not more skilled or "better".
Sexyback
You miss my point, when I say that Qui-Gon is technically better, I mean that his technique is better. Maul's technique is pretty whack; he's barely mastered an incomplete form, he's reckless and he leaves himself open far too much (shown when an enraged padawan was able to break his saber into two).
Gideon
Originally posted by Sexyback
You miss my point, when I say that Qui-Gon is technically better, I mean that his technique is better. Maul's technique is pretty whack; he's barely mastered an incomplete form, he's reckless and he leaves himself open far too much (shown when an enraged padawan was able to break his saber into two).
"Barely"? Do elaborate.
The only thing that one can credit Maul with in terms of hindrance is his habit of toying with his opponent. But he only does that when he's sure that he is more skilled than they are - which was the case in every fight he was in. He had more skill. In this fight against Windu, I highly doubt he'll do that, considering how he Shadow Hunter makes it clear that he has heard of Windu and "wished to face someone truly worthy of his skill" - and goes on to mention Windu's name.
Maul's gonna lose. Maul's gonna go down hard. But it's not going to be a five second fight.
Sexyback
He'd only just mastered his form by ShadowHunter.
Gideon
Originally posted by Sexyback
He'd only just mastered his form by ShadowHunter.
Page number or chapter? I'd like to take a look to see if your point is valid.
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