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The villain trio goes through a dimensional warp and enters Metropolis.

Can Superman stop them on his own?

Yes.

Wait...how's Superman taking out Juggernaut? Other than BFR...

Originally posted by MightyEInherjar
Wait...how's Superman taking out Juggernaut? Other than BFR...

You said it yourself - BFR.

There was no stipulation in the first post that he couldn't.

Originally posted by masterbruce
The villain trio goes through a dimensional warp and enters Metropolis.

Can Superman stop them on his own?

no

superman loses.

Could Superman penetrate Mag's force field?

Superman probably incinerates Magneto and Apocalypse before they get ready to fight.

Juggernaut gets tossed into the sun and dies horribly because Cyttorak can't do jack in the DCU

Originally posted by janus77
Superman probably incinerates Magneto and Apocalypse before they get ready to fight.

Juggernaut gets tossed into the sun and dies horribly because Cyttorak can't do jack in the DCU

Yeah, 'cause that would work on Apocalypse.

So many superman fans. Superman dies horribly in this fight. This is worst than the other fight with superman vs the avengers that people are still debating on thinking superman is going to win.

Originally posted by carver9
So many superman fans. Superman dies horribly in this fight. This is worst than the other fight with superman vs the avengers that people are still debating on thinking superman is going to win.

Superman BFRs the Juggernaut and straight up owns Magneto and Apocalypse. .

Originally posted by carver9
So many superman fans. Superman dies horribly in this fight. This is worst than the other fight with superman vs the avengers that people are still debating on thinking superman is going to win.

nah dood, remember, Superman can win by speedblitz

stalemate. apoc dies horribly though

Originally posted by braz
Could Superman penetrate Mag's force field?

Given enough drive he might punch through it, but never the less he doesn't have to since he can still go intangible via Super Speed and knock Magneto unconscious with his pinky. Besides Magneto won't be putting the shield up before Superman gets to him.

no stalemate. Superman wins.

Originally posted by carver9
So many superman fans. Superman dies horribly in this fight. This is worst than the other fight with superman vs the avengers that people are still debating on thinking superman is going to win.

You mean Superman vs bricks & Sersi? There's no debate there. Just stubborn haters not realizing when they have lost an argument.

Originally posted by jasonk3
no stalemate. Superman wins.

Meh, technically it IS a stalemate. Classic Juggernaut can't be hurt by Superman, and nor can he be (permanently) BFR'd.

It'd be one boring ass fight, what with Juggernaut walking the LIGHTYEARS back to earth, but TECHINCALLY, by forum rules, the Juggernaut wouldn't lose. .

I wouldn't mind stalemating in those terms. He BFRs Juggy and just spends the rest of his life boning Lois while Cain makes it back.

Originally posted by Superboy Prime
I wouldn't mind stalemating in those terms. He BFRs Juggy and just spends the rest of his life boning Lois while Cain makes it back.

Pretty much.

hang on, how can you say "classic juggernaut" would even survive a confrontation with Superman?

1) this is neutral ground or an amalgam universe and thus Cyttorak isn't anywhere near as influential

and even if you must assume that some how Cyttorak is influential in this domain too, it's still only a fraction of Cyttorak's power that the Juggernaut charm manifests and so not infinite (and anyway, it's impossible for it to be infinite, just a complete and absolute idiocy for people to think that).

2) Superman could toss juggernaut into the sun, and wait for cain marko to grow old and die on his +walk+ back to Earth.

3) Superman could strap Juggernaut onto some passing astroid so that he can't "walk" and is instead sent flying across the galaxy

1) We assume that they are. Otherwise, any fight involving the Flash would mean that Wally couldn't tap the speedforce, as he couldn't before. (I preclude bart from this, as he now IS the speedforce.)

2) The Juggernaut doesn't age.

3)Exactly what is he gonna 'strap' the Juggernaut with?

Nothing.

blutack.

he could strap him in with adamantium for all it matters, the thing is to prevent him from getting leverage and breaking free of the asteroid.

maybe he'll just get Black Panther to sit on an asteroid and apply an arm bar to juggernaut indefinitely.



and anyway, as I said Juggernaut is not inifinte, he'll get his arse handed to him against a sufficiently enraged Hulk, a sundipped Superman or Surfer or any number of phenomenally powerful and/or near infinitely powerful beings.


Juggernaut is a fraction of the power of Cyttorak, who is himself a limited "god", thus < infinite.

as an aside, according to many here, Galactus >>> Cyttorak.
the Power Cosmic = ambiant universal energies = infinite (for the purposes of any "measurement" and comparison), thus any creature that can indefinitely channel the Power Cosmic has the ability to subdue juggernaut.

Superman or anything other physical opponent that cant matter manipulate or control magic to a high degree cant beat the juggernaut. Juggernaut will eventually get his magical fist on superman and that would be the end of the fight. Superman would try to trade blows with juggernaut (he has shown to do this his entire career) and that would leave a opening for juggernaut. Magneto, superman gets the majority, apocalypse superman gets the majority, juggernaut is a totally different story.

Superman would be bending adamantium in order to strap the Juggernaut down? Not to mention the fact, if he straps it to the asteroid, what exactly stop the Juggernaut from breaking the Asteroid itself?

The Juggernaut > Hulk. Superman can't hurt him. The Surfer can't physically hurt him either.

An avenue that has not yet been explored, however, is Torquasm Vo. It's possible that Superman could mentally subdue the Juggernaut.

even if Superman just stood there and +let+ Juggernaut wail on him, he still wouldn't do much, if anything, to Superman.

Juggernaut hitting Superman is of no consequence, what matters is if the more potent attacks of Magneto and Apocalypse can be deployed.

Superman is too fast for either of them. he would, imo, just heatvision Magneto to death before Magneto can react or put up his shield. if the shield is up, then he'd bfr him - chuck him into space, turn his attention onto Apocalypse and toast him with HV then flash freeze him with super breath () and or otherwise just phuck with his matter manipulating body...

Apocalypse and Magneto are potent threats, Juggernaut's just laughable.

Originally posted by janus77
blutack.

he could strap him in with adamantium for all it matters, the thing is to prevent him from getting leverage and breaking free of the asteroid.

maybe he'll just get Black Panther to sit on an asteroid and apply an arm bar to juggernaut indefinitely.



and anyway, as I said Juggernaut is not inifinte, he'll get his arse handed to him against a sufficiently enraged Hulk, a sundipped Superman or Surfer or any number of phenomenally powerful and/or near infinitely powerful beings.


Juggernaut is a fraction of the power of Cyttorak, who is himself a limited "god", thus < infinite.

as an aside, according to many here, Galactus >>> Cyttorak.
the Power Cosmic = ambiant universal energies = infinite (for the purposes of any "measurement" and comparison), thus any creature that can indefinitely channel the Power Cosmic has the ability to subdue juggernaut.



You know nothing. War hulk was claimed to have infinite strength but juggernaut pushed him back 2 miles without straining. Mjlonir made galactus flee but juggernaut laughed when thor threw it at him. Thor hit juggernaut with one of the most powerful blast in marvel and juggernaut didnt feel anything, he almost walked through it but was temporarily stopped until the ground gave in. The point of that was that he still withstood the blast, didnt feel any of it.

Juggernaut, weak to magic was incinerated all the way down to the bone and it was no meat left, the guy still walked to the villian that did it and snapped his neck. Cannonball bounce off of juggernaut arm like he was an ant. Rogue punched juggernaut with enough force that it broke every glass in the city and he didnt even bulge or feel it and punched her to another city. Juggernaut on a regular basis is a team buster fighting the xmen, xforce, no telling who else and if he actually used his force field they would never win.

Juggernaut is the same being that has never been beaten in a physical confrontation, its always a telepath around. Juggernaut was stated when he was released from the cytorrak gem to be the being responsible for killing every living thing on the planet. Juggernaut is the being that has been stated by marvel to have unlimited strength and durability.

Read more on juggernaut before downing him.

Originally posted by Soljer
Superman would be bending adamantium in order to strap the Juggernaut down? Not to mention the fact, if he straps it to the asteroid, what exactly stop the Juggernaut from breaking the Asteroid itself?

The Juggernaut > Hulk. Superman can't hurt him. The Surfer can't physically hurt him either.

An avenue that has not yet been explored, however, is Torquasm Vo. It's possible that Superman could mentally subdue the Juggernaut.
don't buy it.
Hulk is supposed to have an infinite source of power, Juggernaut definitely - absolutely, positively - does not.

Hulk can just go on getting more and more powerful, nothing Juggernaut or Cyttorak can do about that.

anyway, that's an argument for another time/thread.


Juggernaut has been kept down by rubble, cement etc. War Hulk physically stopped him, Juggernaut can be physically strapped down by something or other... worst comes to it, Superman goes to NY and gets the cement from the same company Spiderman utilised :P

Originally posted by carver9


You know nothing. War hulk was claimed to have infinite strength but juggernaut pushed him back 2 miles without straining. Mjlonir made galactus flee but juggernaut laughed when thor threw it at him. Thor hit juggernaut with one of the most powerful blast in marvel and juggernaut didnt feel anything, he almost walked through it but was temporarily stopped until the ground gave in. The point of that was that he still withstood the blast, didnt feel any of it.

Juggernaut, weak to magic was incinerated all the way down to the bone and it was no meat left, the guy still walked to the villian that did it and snapped his neck. Cannonball bounce off of juggernaut arm like he was an ant. Rogue punched juggernaut with enough force that it broke every glass in the city and he didnt even bulge or feel it and punched her to another city. Juggernaut on a regular basis is a team buster fighting the xmen, xforce, no telling who else and if he actually used his force field they would never win.

Juggernaut is the same being that has never been beaten in a physical confrontation, its always a telepath around. Juggernaut was stated when he was released from the cytorrak gem to be the being responsible for killing every living thing on the planet. Juggernaut is the being that has been stated by marvel to have unlimited strength and durability.

Read more on juggernaut before downing him.
yes, how closely argued. I see the light .

Originally posted by janus77
don't buy it.
Hulk is supposed to have an infinite source of power, Juggernaut definitely - absolutely, positively - does not.

Juggernaut has been kept down by rubble, cement etc.

Funny...the Hulk was knocked out by Spiderman.

Originally posted by janus77
even if Superman just stood there and +let+ Juggernaut wail on him, he still wouldn't do much, if anything, to Superman.

Juggernaut hitting Superman is of no consequence, what matters is if the more potent attacks of Magneto and Apocalypse can be deployed.

Superman is too fast for either of them. he would, imo, just heatvision Magneto to death before Magneto can react or put up his shield. if the shield is up, then he'd bfr him - chuck him into space, turn his attention onto Apocalypse and toast him with HV then flash freeze him with super breath () and or otherwise just phuck with his matter manipulating body...

Apocalypse and Magneto are potent threats, Juggernaut's just laughable.

http://www.uncannyxmen.net/db/characters/showquestion.asp?fldAuto=596

Read and shut the hell up. Also pick up the book where juggernaut was wondering to the cytorrak tombs to retrieve his gem. In that same book it states the same thing that you just read off of that bio that juggernaut HAD unlimited strength and durability. Superman standing there taking his punches would end up with a dead superman. If doomsday can punch superman to death than juggernaut with his magical fist could do the same thing but a little faster since his fist is endowed in magic.

Originally posted by Soljer
Funny...the Hulk was knocked out by Spiderman.
and that proves what exactly?

one character has an infinite power source that he can tap into exponentially, another does not.

Originally posted by janus77
and that proves what exactly?

one character has an infinite power source that he can tap into exponentially, another does not.

It proves that all characters have low showings. Even ones with 'infinite' power.

Originally posted by carver9
http://www.uncannyxmen.net/db/characters/showquestion.asp?fldAuto=596

Read and shut the hell up. Also pick up the book where juggernaut was wondering to the cytorrak tombs to retrieve his gem. In that same book it states the same thing that you just read off of that bio that juggernaut HAD unlimited strength and durability. Superman standing there taking his punches would end up with a dead superman. If doomsday can punch superman to death than juggernaut with his magical fist could do the same thing but a little faster since his fist is endowed in magic.
what comic mentioned Juggernaut having unlimited strength/durability?

it's idiotic, if that is actually sourced from a comic (though of course being idiotic does not invalidate a thing unfortunately).

Carver9, just learn to calm down a little, we're talking about blummin' comic book characters... your (wo)manhood is not on the line here.

and no thanks on the juggernaut comic thing, never felt anything but boredom at the sight of a juggernaut story... he's like a petulent younger brother... kinda makes me glad I was an only child .

Originally posted by Soljer
It proves that all characters have low showings. Even ones with 'infinite' power.
and that was somehow pertinent because?

still stands to reason that Juggernaut does not have infinite strength/durability and thus that it cannot be assumed (as you and carver9 assume) that Juggernaut cannot be hurt/killed.

Originally posted by janus77
and that was somehow pertinent because?

still stands to reason that Juggernaut does not have infinite strength/durability and thus that it cannot be assumed (as you and carver9 assume) that Juggernaut cannot be hurt/killed.

You brought up the Juggernaut's low showings (Spidey trapping him in cement, for example) as if THEY were pertinent.

Beyond that, it has been stated that the Juggernaut can simply receive unlimited amounts of power from Cytorrak.

I brought that up not as a showing of Juggernaut's weakness but as a showing of the possibility of immobilising him for a spell.

unlimited amounts of power from Cyttorak, who is himself limited.

that's like an unlimited checkbook, you can write whatever size cheques you like, they won't bounce... unless of course there's nothing in the bank or the bank itself can't raise funds to the nominal value of the cheque.

again, it's simply incoherent thinking to say that Juggernaut has infinite strength/durability while at the same time attributing his powers to the charm which is fraction of Cyttorak's powers, which are themselves limited.


that's why The Hulk/universe thing is actually a viable answer... because a universe is the standard understanding for something "infinite" (we can't map it, can't quantify it etc etc ...).

Originally posted by janus77
what comic mentioned Juggernaut having unlimited strength/durability?

it's idiotic, if that is actually sourced from a comic (though of course being idiotic does not invalidate a thing unfortunately).

Carver9, just learn to calm down a little, we're talking about blummin' comic book characters... your (wo)manhood is not on the line here.

and no thanks on the juggernaut comic thing, never felt anything but boredom at the sight of a juggernaut story... he's like a petulent younger brother... kinda makes me glad I was an only child .

everyone on this forum know what juggernaut is capable of but you. there is no one on this forum that have been brought up that can beat the juggernaut physically. Learn that rule and bide by it. Juggernaut has never lost a physical confrontation and will never lose one unless someone is a tp (not current jugs). Superman aint physically doing anything to juggernaut, especially one that has his forcefield up. He could just lay down and let superman punch on him all day. What is superman going to do to a guy that thor hammer bounced off of.

Could superman do the same, stand still and let thor throw his hammer at him without moving. Wont be able to do that in his dreams. Classic Juggernauts durability>>>>superman durability.

again, Carver9 calm down. you're not really arguing over anything very important so don't need to get so passionate.

Juggernaut has his fanbase here and people do say things that, on the face of it, seem rather too hyperbolic.

War Hulk has stopped and tossed Juggernaut's arse. he may have done that with his own physical strength or it may have been augmented by Apocalypse' Celestial Tech, but it definitely was physical force.

you ever ask yourself why Juggernaut would have a forcefield anyway? if he is physically invulnerable?

even if Juggernaut's durability were greater than Superman's (which is something I doubt), it still doesn't mean he could take a pounding from Superman.

as the other thread points out, people do believe Superman's punches are potentially much greater than Thor's hammer throws.

........if even Thanos can't beat up Juggs, I doubt Superman is going to. Classic Juggernaut is physically invulnerable. THIS FACT WILL NEVER BE UP FOR DISCUSSION AND CANNOT BE CONTESTED. Not even Thor's godblast stopped Juggs.

Originally posted by TricksterPriest
........if even Thanos can't beat up Juggs, I doubt Superman is going to. Classic Juggernaut is physically invulnerable. THIS FACT WILL NEVER BE UP FOR DISCUSSION AND CANNOT BE CONTESTED. Not even Thor's godblast stopped Juggs.

It's amazing how many people fail to realize that unstoppable actually means unstoppable

Originally posted by TricksterPriest
........if even Thanos can't beat up Juggs, I doubt Superman is going to. Classic Juggernaut is physically invulnerable. THIS FACT WILL NEVER BE UP FOR DISCUSSION AND CANNOT BE CONTESTED. Not even Thor's godblast stopped Juggs.
ah, I see where the Priest part of your nick fits in



sorry, that was too tempting an opportunity.










yet again, these are only blummin' comic book characters...

Originally posted by llagrok
It's amazing how many people fail to realize that unstoppable actually means unstoppable
except when he's stopped, knocked back, knocked off the continent and umm generally manhandled?

Originally posted by janus77
except when he's stopped, knocked back, knocked off the continent and umm generally manhandled?


I don't recall seeing anyone permanently stopping the Juggernaut.

Originally posted by llagrok
I don't recall seeing anyone permanently stopping the Juggernaut.
no one's permanently stopped Batman either.
why? because it's an on-going comic/character with a fanbase.
why kill it?

to "permanently stop" anyone you'd basically have to kill them. which , in juggernaut's case, is somewhat stupid given the appeal of the character (as is evidenced here often).


oh and Onslaught tossed him a good distance too, no?

Don't bring up Onslaught. That was ungodly PIS. 2nd, you can't hurt juggernaut with physical means. Learn what that means.

Originally posted by TricksterPriest
Don't bring up Onslaught. That was ungodly PIS. 2nd, you can't hurt juggernaut with physical means. Learn what that means.
rofl...


can Galactus be physically hurt?

Pure strength? I don't think that works on an abstract. Augmented with something like PC? yep.

but Galactus has physical form and to be hurt is physical no?
(and for the purposes of this discussion, we're not talking about Galactus' inner turmoil or his struggle as an up and comming actor in Hollywood, we're talking pain that transmits down whatever passes for his nervous system)

Originally posted by janus77
but Galactus has physical form and to be hurt is physical no?
(and for the purposes of this discussion, we're not talking about Galactus' inner turmoil or his struggle as an up and comming actor in Hollywood, we're talking pain that transmits down whatever passes for his nervous system)

A mortal's mind isn't capable of comprehending what Galactus looks like or somethin' We only have an idea of what he looks like through humanoid eyes.

10 out of 10 for the villains unless supes get to have PIS

Originally posted by jasofisc
10 out of 10 for the villains unless supes get to have PIS

Quite a few people smoking the rock today...

Originally posted by llagrok
A mortal's mind isn't capable of comprehending what Galactus looks like or somethin' We only have an idea of what he looks like through humanoid eyes.
so what was Thanos blasting across space?

I get that we can't conceive of the totality of the dimension of these beings, but they are material beings right?

Originally posted by TricksterPriest
Don't bring up Onslaught. That was ungodly PIS. 2nd, you can't hurt juggernaut with physical means. Learn what that means.

it's possible that onslaught hit him with more power then he's ever had to experienced before. Like as in more powerful then cytterock which would make onslaught on skyfather level which is possible since he never really showed any of his limits since every time he appeared to be getting beat or weakening was a ploy so he could get his shell broken. still I will admit it's highly highly unlikely.

my point is that juggs could get hurt by force more powerful then cytorakk but supes does not posses that kind of power. Not even the most rabit supes fanboy I would hope would make that kind of statement.

Originally posted by Soljer
Quite a few people smoking the rock today...

what ever all three together are beyond supes. any non fanboy would see that

Originally posted by janus77
so what was Thanos blasting across space?

I get that we can't conceive of the totality of the dimension of these beings, but they are material beings right?

That's what didn't make sense. Thanos was more powerful than Galactus, shouldn't he perceive him differently?

Anyways, I think it's quite possible to physically hurt Galactus. Isn't that was the darkness in between was doing?

Originally posted by jasofisc
it's possible that onslaught hit him with more power then he's ever had to experienced before. Like as in more powerful then cytterock which would make onslaught on skyfather level which is possible since he never really showed any of his limits since every time he appeared to be getting beat or weakening was a ploy so he could get his shell broken. still I will admit it's highly highly unlikely.

my point is that juggs could get hurt by force more powerful then cytorakk but supes does not posses that kind of power. Not even the most rabit supes fanboy I would hope would make that kind of statement.

the Onslaught showings were PIS. And nobody, (except maybe Carver or Janus) is saying Supes can hurt him. But a throw to the sun is still a win.

Originally posted by jasofisc
what ever all three together are beyond supes. any non fanboy would see that
.....

Originally posted by TricksterPriest
the Onslaught showings were PIS. And nobody, (except maybe Carver or Janus) is saying Supes can hurt him. But a throw to the sun is still a win.

Wouldn't a reality warper just turn out the sun?

Originally posted by TricksterPriest
the Onslaught showings were PIS. And nobody, (except maybe Carver or Janus) is saying Supes can hurt him. But a throw to the sun is still a win.

how were they PIS virtually nothing is know of the limits of the character. you can't cry PIS when you don't see the limit. I will agree you can't speculate that they can beat galactus because we don't know the limits but still to say it's PIS is not being fair.

classic juggy takes out supes on his own

Originally posted by spidey-dude
classic juggy takes out supes on his own

One more on the rock.

Oh, I give up. If you can't beat em, join em. Toke toke motha****a. *takes a hit* you want one?

I think Juggs can win, if he gets Superman into the BP armlock.

Hmmm, I can't really make a decision for two reasons:

I'm guessing that BFR stands for Battle Field Removal? As in, someone getting themselves tossed in space or dumped in the freaking ocean, etc., etc.? Just wanted to clarify that.

Ah, and who exactly is Apocalypse-- what are his powers/resistances and durability?

Sorry, I obviously don't know much. However, based on what I DO know, I'm gonna tip this slightly in the favor of Magneto and his cronies.

Oh, and can Juggernaut really survive being in SPACE? Or the freaking SUN?!
What's he smokin'? I want some.

you don't know Poccy? http://www.killermovies.com/forums/442042_1-the-apocalypse-respect-thread

Read and learn.

APOC solo.....kryptonite laced adamantium drill punch ftw

Ah, and what's PIS?

I've heard the term EVERYWHERE, and I've yet to figure out what it means. The best I've figured to be is when one character does something to another (BP armlock?) that just doesn't make sense, or is "overpowered" in a way.

Again, sorry for all the questions. I don't know much. BTW, Thanks for the link, Priest.

Originally posted by Jason Redfield
Ah, and what's PIS?

I've heard the term EVERYWHERE, and I've yet to figure out what it means. The best I've figured to be is when one character does something to another (BP armlock?) that just doesn't make sense, or is "overpowered" in a way.

Again, sorry for all the questions. I don't know much. BTW, Thanks for the link, Priest.

PIS stands for PlotInducedStupidity

Meaning when a character does something completely beyond their abilities or when a character is made to act completely out of character for the sake of the story. It can also refer to downplaying of a character's abilities in order to make to story interesting


To head off a few more questions.

CIS is CharacterInducedStupidiy

This is basicly limitations due to the character's personality or lack of intelligence. For example a reality warper who's mildly retarded and can't do anything more than make pretty lights would still be low on a power scale even if his power was sufficuent to destroy a planet.


PlotDevice

Anything found in the environment that would not be avaliable in an arena or in the place that the fight is placed. Example Spidey beating Venom with a huge amount of sound would not be possible in an arena or a jungle.


SMvFL is Spiderman vs Firelord

Basicly just PIS again.

Plot-induced stupidity. Ask someone else for the definition. I'm watching the warriors game. **** MARK CUBAN!

Thanks Symmetric, that really helps.

No problem.

Marvel wins, because I don't respect DC...

TricksterPriest I dont think that supes can damage jugs in any way (read your post on what you thought I thought). It will be hard for juggernaut to hit supes but once he gets his hands on him then thats a different story.

People dont realize how hard it is to get jugs off of the ground while fight him, especially a jugs that have his forcefield up. It aint to many people that could budge juggernaut when using his powers right. Jugs will wear superman down and that would end the fight. Now I do think that sups could take magneto but I also think that mags could take supes. Magneto forcefield has withstood so much and wasnt cracked, exammple, thor threw his hammer at it and the hammer didnt do anything. Thor punched it didnt do anything. A lot of powerhouses tried getting through it but failed.

Apocalypse, a non well written apocalypse would fall to supes but a well written apoc is so far above supes that it aint funny. The guy is a team buster with team buster powers but apoc jobs alot and isnt written to his full potential so im giving that to superman.

As a team they will crush superman.

Team 10/10

Originally posted by WorldWarHulk
Marvel wins, because I don't respect DC...

SNAP !!!

Ahh... I knew there was a reason I put someone's dumb ass on my ignore.

Carver, one word: speedblitz

Originally posted by masterbruce
Carver, one word: speedblitz

You know what Im about to say about that comment but Im not even going to do it this time.

Originally posted by carver9
You know what Im about to say about that comment but Im not even going to do it this time.

no, I don't know....what are you about to say?

Superman, blitzes Juggs, throws him into the others... KOing them, and then he T-Vos Juggs, and then throws him into a sun.

Originally posted by WorldWarHulk
Superman, blitzes Juggs, throws him into the others... KOing them, and then he T-Vos Juggs, and then throws him into a sun.

Then jugs come back to earth under his own power since he cant be bfred and magneto laugh at the effort of superman trying to throw juggernaut through his forcefield. Apocalypse falls to the ground when juggernaut body hits him and get back up since hes almost invulnerable and have high end durability feats.

Originally posted by masterbruce
no, I don't know....what are you about to say?

I thought that you were trying to be funny when I brought up on one other thread that I hate the word speed blitz and then you came back around typing speedblitz about a 1000 times trying to be funny.

This is why I try to avoid Superman scenarios, they get utterly ridiculous. SOMEONE will toss out either Speedblitz or a sun toss. If Superman were as "smart" as some of these KMC posters, half his enemies would be on their way to the sun as we speak. Hell they'd probably be having conversations with each other as they helplessly hurdle towards a star.
As for the "You cant brawl with Superman", isnt that how he died against Doomsday? Just the 2 of them standing there exchanging blows? Assuming he is able to speedblitz (shudders) Magneto, Apocalypse and Juggernaut would be too much for him to handle at the same time. Apocalypse himself has class 100 strength and should be immune to most of Superman's tricks. Think about the wide range of people Apocalypse has fought, do you really think the key to beating him is frigging heat vision or frost breath? And explain how you are going to physically beat down someone who can control their entire molecular structure. Again this isnt even counting the Juggernaut, who could likely give Superman a decent fight on his own.
This is of course assuming that Superman knows to speedblitz Magneto first and manages to do so successfully. If he doesnt, well this fight isnt going to be pleasant for him.

Originally posted by redhotrash
This is why I try to avoid Superman scenarios, they get utterly ridiculous. SOMEONE will toss out either Speedblitz or a sun toss. If Superman were as "smart" as some of these KMC posters, half his enemies would be on their way to the sun as we speak. Hell they'd probably be having conversations with each other as they helplessly hurdle towards a star.
As for the "You cant brawl with Superman", isnt that how he died against Doomsday? Just the 2 of them standing there exchanging blows? Assuming he is able to speedblitz (shudders) Magneto, Apocalypse and Juggernaut would be too much for him to handle at the same time. Apocalypse himself has class 100 strength and should be immune to most of Superman's tricks. Think about the wide range of people Apocalypse has fought, do you really think the key to beating him is frigging heat vision or frost breath? And explain how you are going to physically beat down someone who can control their entire molecular structure. Again this isnt even counting the Juggernaut, who could likely give Superman a decent fight on his own.
This is of course assuming that Superman knows to speedblitz Magneto first and manages to do so successfully. If he doesnt, well this fight isnt going to be pleasant for him.

good post

Heat vision that's hotter than the core of the sun?

Hmmm...

I'm not sure if I posted in this thread before, but I like the teams chances. 2 of the 3 members on the team (Apoc and Juggs) would give Supes a good fight solo, and Magneto's a bit of a wild card. All of Supes powers are EM based. Magneto could wreak some serious havoc on Supes.

And also, about the "Speedblitzing" KMC craze I've witnessed in my years on this board, there is this concept called an "omnidirectional attack", and I always assumed that the combatants come into the fight in battle posture (meaning I assumed they come primed to fight and with their guard up). That's always been my understanding of these fights. Do characters have to raise shields in the first moment of battle or do they come to the fight primed? I don't think that's ever been quantified in the forum rules.

If Magneto has a moment or two to analyze the situation, he'd give Superman a serious problem as well. So assuming Juggernaut listens to Magneto who can form a working battle plan, and not Apocalypse who thinks he can.

5 pages and i bet half of them are "speedblitz".

Superman loses the majority. Taking Juggernaut to space wont even do much since it doesnt effect him. And Magneto is tailor made to take big guns.