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The veterans vs the upstarts in a massive smackdown. Each side has their advantages and weaknesses.

Hasn't this been done somewhere before?

And didn't DOA get KTFOed? Come on, this fight is an insult. SF is far too powerful to lose to the likes of DOA without a serious handicap. Not to mention the DOA series is horribly broken as fighting game.....

sf also has a way bigger cast.

SF wins. Bigger cast. Powerhouses such as Gouki, Bison, Gill, Oro, SF3 Ryu etc.

I mean Hayabusa & ninjas can only take DOA so far.

Originally posted by Darkstorm Zero
Hasn't this been done somewhere before?

No. I checked myself.

Originally posted by TricksterPriest
And didn't DOA get KTFOed? Come on, this fight is an insult. SF is far too powerful to lose to the likes of DOA without a serious handicap. Not to mention the DOA series is horribly broken as fighting game..... What he said

Yeah as much as I like DOA, Street Fighters win. If all DOA characters were like Ryu and Hayate and if there were an equal number of participants then It would be a better much up. Ryu vs Ryu...

ryu vs ryu would be sweet.

atleaste doa females lead by ayane/kasumi beat almost all of the sf girls, while they'll be stopped by ingrid.

Ryu vs Ryu would be fun if Hayabusa is handicapped...like fighting with one arm tied behind his back, blindfolded, intoxicated, stoned, dehydrated, crippled and 95 years old.

Originally posted by Superboy Prime
Ryu vs Ryu would be fun if Hayabusa is handicapped...like fighting with one arm tied behind his back, blindfolded, intoxicated, stoned, dehydrated, crippled and 95 years old.

That and if I was using a weaker verison fo SF Ryu. Then again, I seriouusly doubt that Mr. Hayabusa would still be standing from a Shinshoryuken.

Originally posted by TricksterPriest
Come on, this fight is an insult. SF is far too powerful to lose to the likes of DOA without a serious handicap. Not to mention the DOA series is horribly broken as fighting game.....
DOA loses because of the massive number advantage SF has.

It also isn't horribly broken barring DOA 2.

Originally posted by StyleTime
DOA loses because of the massive number advantage SF has.

It also isn't horribly broken barring DOA 2.

Hmm...okay, how about this then...since SF already has the numbers advantage, take the pick of the litter from SF to match DOA's numbers.

Will that work?

maybe....and this has been done before, i swear..

I was talking about Ryu vs Ryu in hand to hand combat not using his sword I mean!!!!?

Well if Ryu has his Hadouken then Ryu has his energy blast which looks pretty much the same

It would be a pretty good fight Ryu has his awesome karate skills and Ryu has his Ninjutsu!

That would be a good fight Major Snafu make this thread right now

Each has their own advantages and weaknesses? Hah! I'll list right now the only 'advantage' DOA has. Coincidentally, it is also the ONLY reason people buy DOA games. ready? *dramatic drumbroll* Boobs!

This isn't a contest at all. SF all the way

Originally posted by Muck101
Each has their own advantages and weaknesses? Hah! I'll list right now the only 'advantage' DOA has. Coincidentally, it is also the ONLY reason people buy DOA games. ready? *dramatic drumbroll* Boobs!

This isn't a contest at all. SF all the way
You obviously know nothing about Ryu Hayabusa and Hayate (and Ayane). FYI, Ryu has an energy attack which could easily annihilate a human. Hayate has the Torn Sky Blast which is very, very powerful. Ayane has a technique which could destroy an entire arena so don't underestimate the people in DOA. Oh and if this is all DOA characters than I guess I should include the Kasumi clone created by DOATEC and not to mention the superhuman Omega who is said to have unprecedented capabilities: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dead_or_Alive_3. Tengu is also a character from the DOA series: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tengu_(Dead_or_Alive). Also, ALPHA-152 is made of pure energy....and as far as I'm concerned is faster than any character from SF: http://youtube.com/watch?v=tX4JZp9hw1U. That also shows a bit of Ryu and Ayane.

SF hands down, as for women, is there really anyone as sexy as Kylie Minogue in SF movie? Maybe, but for me thats Halle Berry, however, shes not in any of these game movies :P

Anyway, defianly SF! SF against DBZ, now that would have been more of a match

Though I still believe Street Fighters win, do not underestimate the characters in DOA.

Originally posted by Pulse2
SF hands down, as for women, is there really anyone as sexy as Kylie Minogue in SF movie? Maybe, but for me thats Halle Berry, however, shes not in any of these game movies :P

Anyway, defianly SF! SF against DBZ, now that would have been more of a match
Yeah, Goku who could destroy landscapes wouldn't stand a chance against Ryu and M. Bison.

You know, not all the characters from the street fighter universe are a threat. Unless people believe characters from"Saturday Night slam Masters" are a major threat?

Originally posted by Pulse2
Anyway, defianly SF! SF against DBZ, now that would have been more of a match
You guys are seriously overrating Street Fighter.

Originally posted by StyleTime
You guys are seriously overrating Street Fighter.
Who is you guys?

The guy who said SF is equal to DBZ. We don't know that guy. Arguing for DOA at this point is fanboyism. There's simply no way they can win.

Originally posted by Emperor Ashtar
You know, not all the characters from the street fighter universe are a threat. Unless people believe characters from"Saturday Night slam Masters" are a major threat?

Can someone answer it this time around?

If this is about the movie, DOA sucks ass terribly and i shoud give it a 0.1/10.

The girls dont bear any resemblance to the game characters, the story is very unstable and doesnt have a proper plot, Hitomi is missing from the game, kasumi is ass ugly, Not even eye-candy.

Originally posted by Emperor Ashtar
Who is you guys?
The ones overrating Street Fighter.
Originally posted by TricksterPriest
Arguing for DOA at this point is fanboyism. There's simply no way they can win.
Noone argued for DOA.

Originally posted by Emperor Ashtar
You know, not all the characters from the street fighter universe are a threat. Unless people believe characters from"Saturday Night slam Masters" are a major threat?

SF wins without a doubt. even the SF shemale (Poison) is hotter than all the DoA girls combined.


also IMO it'll be more fun and a more balanced fight if its:


SF MOVIES VS DOA MOVIE

beat that bidges!


~Sado

DOA movie was horrendous,

No eye candy, No proper story , girls dont bear any resemblence to the game girls, Genfu appears like what? 2 seconds?

And not to forget movie zacks fighting style isnt muay thai at all.

DOA both sucks hands down with the exception of doax and doax2

Originally posted by Kadesh
DOA movie was horrendous,

No eye candy, No proper story , girls dont bear any resemblence to the game girls, Genfu appears like what? 2 seconds?

And not to forget movie zacks fighting style isnt muay thai at all.

DOA both sucks hands down with the exception of doax and doax2

The only decent movies out which were based on videogames was the first Mortal Kombat movie and the Resident Evil movies.

Yup, I Dont like it when movies stray from the originality.

Look at x-men... Wheres gambit

SF Wins

Originally posted by Kadesh
Yup, I Dont like it when movies stray from the originality.

Look at x-men... Wheres gambit

You only see his name in X2. That's it. And Resident Evil would have made a lot more cash if they used the actual characters from the game. DOA could have been better if they had used Japanese actors and actresses as Hayate, Kasumi and Ayane (although Natassia Malthe was hot)

If you don't know who Natassia Malthe was, she was Typhoid Mary in Elektra.

In my humble opinion, Kasumi should have been played by Aya Ueto (the chick from Azumi, if you watch foreign films), Hayate could have been played by Takeshi Kaneshiro (he's half-Japanese, and better known as Samanouske from the Onimusha series) and Ayane could have been played by Chiaki Kuriyama (Gogo from Kill Bill 1)

Who gives a **** about video game movies?

No one in DOA can beat Gouki and Gouki can possibly take out a large chunk of the cast by himself. Yall may call me a fanboy for this but an unarmed Hayabusa can not beat Ryu in a hand to hand, IMO.

No problem with your point of view Remulous, but I fail to see how Hayabusa can't match Ryu when Haya is Ryu's equal in speed, and maybe superior; when Hayabusa has insane durability; Nimpo to counter Ryu's Hadou; experience, skill and resourcefulness.

Originally posted by Superboy Prime
No problem with your point of view Remulous, but I fail to see how Hayabusa can't match Ryu when Haya is Ryu's equal in speed, and maybe superior; when Hayabusa has insane durability; Nimpo to counter Ryu's Hadou; experience, skill and resourcefulness. Thanx for not going all crazy on me but did you see how Ryu nearly demolished a building in the SFA movie. Or how he dodged bullets from like a foot away or how high he jumped in the end when he was about to fight Gouki. How he effortlessly broke those minnions neck towards the final battle. Or how he completly insenerates people or blows massive holes through people with normal Hadoukens. Not only that but during all these feats he was like in his 20's, he's nearly 50 now and much stronger.

Yeah I've seen the SFAlpha movie and all his other feats, but they are nothing Hayabusa couldn't do. Talking about SFAlpha animes what do you think of the latest one? In my opinion it sucked monkey balls. Ken did nothing, Sakura was weird & there were so many ****ing plotholes.

Originally posted by Superboy Prime
Yeah I've seen the SFAlpha movie and all his other feats, but they are nothing Hayabusa couldn't do. Talking about SFAlpha animes what do you think of the latest one? In my opinion it sucked monkey balls. Ken did nothing, Sakura was weird & there were so many ****ing plotholes. Hayabusa would need his Dragon Blade to do most of that stuff. I haven't seen Hayabusa lift the 2 boulders stacked a top of each other. I will still bring up the fact that the Alpha feats were at least a decade ago, Ryu has done nothing but train since then. Anyway the movie was cool... I guess, the fights were good but that's about all that movie had to offer.

He wouldn't need the Dark Dragon blade to perform those feats. Ayane destroyed the Doatec building which consisted of 3 towers with her Nimpo and Hayabusa is Ayane's superior in every way. Also Hayabusa can run on water, dodge bullets from all kind of weapons & vehicles such as heavy turrets from choppers and rocket lunchers. Hayabusa also took down the Tengu using his barehands(DOA tourny) and he jokes with people like Jann Lee who have been seen knocking out T-Rexes in two blows, imagine what he will do to the normal thugs Ryu owns in the Alpha movie.

Originally posted by Superboy Prime
He wouldn't need the Dark Dragon blade to perform those feats. Ayane destroyed the Doatec building which consisted of 3 towers with her Nimpo and Hayabusa is Ayane's superior in every way. Also Hayabusa can run on water, dodge bullets from all kind of weapons & vehicles such as heavy turrets from choppers and rocket lunchers. Hayabusa also took down the Tengu using his barehands(DOA tourny) and he jokes with people like Jann Lee who have been seen knocking out T-Rexes in two blows, imagine what he will do to the normal thugs Ryu owns in the Alpha movie. The towers were already blowing up because of the self destruct mechanism. Also that Nimpo took an extremly long amount of time to use. Ryu by now can do the same amount of damage if not more instantly. Gouki sunk an island with no magic Nimpo, useing a single punch, this was all the way back in Alpha 2. Ryu is much stronger than that version of Gouki by now. Ryu can definently kick Balrog's ass and Balrog knocked out an elephant with ONE punch. Not to mention he survived in fight against a guy who shatters incoming comets when Ryu was in his early 20's. How in the hell can Haybusa even compare to that with out the Dragon Sword?

About the debate on the self-destruct and Ayane's Nimpo I'd rather not talk about since it's confusing enough as it is. However the Nimpo did take some time(not really that long as some DOA haters make it seem), but the thing is it was Ayane who used it not, Hayabusa and he has shown time and time again to be her superior. Without delay Ryu's Nimpo shot down a huge aircraft and without effort might I add. Also in SFAlpha it did take Ryu 2 Hadoukens to damage the building the way he did, and it wasn't even completely destroyed. Ryu's nimpo is also far more versatile than Ryu's Hadou. Ryu can fall off giant cliffs and get back on his feet as if nothing happened, I am pretty sure he can withstand island shattering punches IF they hit him given he is Ryu's superior in speed plus he has teleportation. And finally Ryu does not equal the Dark Dragon Blade; if Hayabusa were to use the Dark Dragon Blade this wouldn't even be a contest.

The True Dragon Sword is more powerful than the Dark Dragon Blade.

True, but the DDB is still powerful in it's own right.

Originally posted by Superboy Prime
About the debate on the self-destruct and Ayane's Nimpo I'd rather not talk about since it's confusing enough as it is. However the Nimpo did take some time(not really that long as some DOA haters make it seem), but the thing is it was Ayane who used it not, Hayabusa and he has shown time and time again to be her superior. Without delay Ryu's Nimpo shot down a huge aircraft and without effort might I add. Also in SFAlpha it did take Ryu 2 Hadoukens to damage the building the way he did, and it wasn't even completely destroyed. Ryu's nimpo is also far more versatile than Ryu's Hadou. Ryu can fall off giant cliffs and get back on his feet as if nothing happened, I am pretty sure he can withstand island shattering punches IF they hit him given he is Ryu's superior in speed plus he has teleportation. And finally Ryu does not equal the Dark Dragon Blade; if Hayabusa were to use the Dark Dragon Blade this wouldn't even be a contest. The Nimpo still took too long, Ryu would have killed her before the move was executed.If Akuma sunk an island way back in Alpha 2 and Ryu by now is several times stronger I think Ryu wouldn't have a hard time destroying an air craft, hell, he could destroy it with a punch.With the Alpha movie, the point I'm trying to make is Ryu created all this destruction and feats in his young and reckless days, Ryu is several time stronger now, Imagine what he can do to a building or human now that he is older and experienced, Not only that but Ken and Ryu destroyed Bison's air craft with normal Hadoukens. Bisons air craft is much larger than those shown in DOA. BTY, this was in SF2, Ryu is much much stronger than that seeing how the SF2 Ryu is equal if not lesser than Alpha's Dark Ryu.

Now now when was it confirmed that the SF 2 anime is canon? I said Ryu can unleash devastating Nimpo in an instant as seen in his DOA4 ending. Ryu can also surround himself with fireballs that will make Hayabusa invulnerable for a time and will burn anything that makes contact with them. As I said earlier Hayabusa's nimpo is far more versatile than Ryu's hadou, and while Ryu may have island shattering punches he still lacks the speed to actually hit Hayabusa, and even then Hayabusa can teleport out of harm's way.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=dBg-iFQTmiQ

Ayane's punch is pretty devastating...

Nothing says this is without the use of weapons, and like I already said, Tengu, Genra, DOATEC's most powerful creation, Ayane, Hayate, Raidou, and Ryu are DOA's powerhouses and could take SF.

Well if this is with weapons Ryu Hayabusa alone will **** 3/4 of SF's cast.

Dead or Alive's powerhouses

Omega: http://youtube.com/watch?v=DJz8ljXRaGk, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dead_or_Alive_3

ALPHA-152: http://youtube.com/watch?v=lT7wjjQ3obo

Raidou: http://youtube.com/watch?v=xza9nOWOpsI

Hayate: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kltInKmz0GY&mode=related&search

Ayane: http://youtube.com/watch?v=5eL_KR64MDw

Ryu: http://youtube.com/watch?v=suBFY39P4Ps

Tengu: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tengu_%28Dead_or_Alive%29

Spartan-458: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nicole_%28Dead_or_Alive%29

Bayman: http://youtube.com/watch?v=SuiqOWWat6g

This shows more of Ayane's attack on DOATEC: http://youtube.com/watch?v=Cmp3eXQ7fkE

Also, Spartan-458 is pretty much like Master Chief.

Again this match is on fightning skills, its irritating to hear "Z0mg! RyU G0t t3h Dr@g0n Sw0rD S0 H3 !$ u83r!!!!!!!"

Fightning skills alone SF > DOA

If ryu has a sword that would be an unfair advantage to the SF fighters.

And list down whos fighting who

Originally posted by Major Snafu
The only decent movies out which were based on videogames was the first Mortal Kombat movie and the Resident Evil movies.
*COUGH*FF7*COUGH*

Originally posted by MadMel
*COUGH*FF7*COUGH*

And Advent Children. I forgot about that one.

thumbs_up

Originally posted by Cloud_VII
Dead or Alive's powerhouses

Omega: http://youtube.com/watch?v=DJz8ljXRaGk, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dead_or_Alive_3

ALPHA-152: http://youtube.com/watch?v=lT7wjjQ3obo

Raidou: http://youtube.com/watch?v=xza9nOWOpsI

Hayate: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kltInKmz0GY&mode=related&search

Ayane: http://youtube.com/watch?v=5eL_KR64MDw

Ryu: http://youtube.com/watch?v=suBFY39P4Ps

Tengu: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tengu_%28Dead_or_Alive%29

Spartan-458: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nicole_%28Dead_or_Alive%29

Bayman: http://youtube.com/watch?v=SuiqOWWat6g

This shows more of Ayane's attack on DOATEC: http://youtube.com/watch?v=Cmp3eXQ7fkE

Also, Spartan-458 is pretty much like Master Chief.

dont forget about kasumi. she beat raidou in doa1, and alpha 152 in doa4. and she's beaten hayate and ayane atleaste once. she's atleaste stronger than hayate and on ayane's lvl if not higher(don't know who won past doa2 or if they ever fought canonolically)

So because kasumi beats raidou means she > SF? not good enough

It doesn't mean Kasumi > SF, but it does mean she is a powerhouse and not to be taken lightly. I don't think he implied kasumi would WTFOWN every SFer.

It may be annoying to read Ryu will slaughter 3/4 of the cast with his weapons, but hey it's the truth

That is true... but "weapons" makes me think he's carrying an arsneal of automatic guns.

Leave that to the Grand Theft Auto cast,

Originally posted by Superboy Prime
Now now when was it confirmed that the SF 2 anime is canon? I said Ryu can unleash devastating Nimpo in an instant as seen in his DOA4 ending. Ryu can also surround himself with fireballs that will make Hayabusa invulnerable for a time and will burn anything that makes contact with them. As I said earlier Hayabusa's nimpo is far more versatile than Ryu's hadou, and while Ryu may have island shattering punches he still lacks the speed to actually hit Hayabusa, and even then Hayabusa can teleport out of harm's way. If Ryu can withstand land mass destroying punches and Ken's FLAMING Shoryuken why can't he withstand Hayabusa's nimpo? Hayabusa's nimpo more versitile, how? Even if it is Ryu's Hadou is much more destructive. How is Hayabusa faster? I know he's a ninja but why wouldn't Ryu be as fast if not faster. Dark Ryu has the ability to teleport as well, not only that but he has the Shungokusatsu, which will instantly kill Hayabusa. Ryu also has the Shinshoryuken as well. I'll admit that with weapons this is Hayabusa's fight but with out them Ryu will take this.

Hayabusa can run on water. Not even Ryu has shown himself capable of pulling a feat like that. Hayabusa's Nimpo is indeed more versatile than the Hadou. It can grant him invulnerability and he can summon lightning, fire blasts, Ice Storms, etc. Ryu pretty much spams hadoukens all over the place. Also Dark Ryu does not have the Shungokusatsu in canon. He never performed it, if he did he would have followed Gouki's path. Not that it matters because Hayabusa has come back from the dead before.

Originally posted by Superboy Prime
Hayabusa can run on water. Not even Ryu has shown himself capable of pulling a feat like that. Hayabusa's Nimpo is indeed more versatile than the Hadou. It can grant him invulnerability and he can summon lightning, fire blasts, Ice Storms, etc. Ryu pretty much spams hadoukens all over the place. Also Dark Ryu does not have the Shungokusatsu in canon. He never performed it, if he did he would have followed Gouki's path. Not that it matters because Hayabusa has come back from the dead before. Ryu has never ran on water becuase he's never needed to. Just becuase he can't do it doesn't mean he can't Naruto can run on water but that doesn't mean he can beat Percect Cell. That nimpo is versatile and tricky but that doesn't mean it's strong. Ryu has fought poeple capable of destryoing mountains, comets, and Titanic like ships. Nimpo is not powerful enough to destroy mountains and entire islands. Ryu doesn't spam Hadoukens, in actual battles he he hardly uses it. Just becuase Ryu never used the Shungokusatsu doesn't mean he can't do it, he wasnt even in Satsui No Hadou long enough to show off the full extent of his ablities. If Hayabusa does come bcak to life he can just preform the attack again.

Originally posted by Remulous
Ryu has never ran on water becuase he's never needed to. Just becuase he can't do it doesn't mean he can't Naruto can run on water but that doesn't mean he can beat Percect Cell. That nimpo is versatile and tricky but that doesn't mean it's strong. Ryu has fought poeple capable of destryoing mountains, comets, and Titanic like ships. Nimpo is not powerful enough to destroy mountains and entire islands. Ryu doesn't spam Hadoukens, in actual battles he he hardly uses it. Just becuase Ryu never used the Shungokusatsu doesn't mean he can't do it, he wasnt even in Satsui No Hadou long enough to show off the full extent of his ablities. If Hayabusa does come bcak to life he can just preform the attack again.

It's sad that you have to lower the debate to IFs. Ifs are not practical when you're debating. And who says that Nimpo is not destructive? It has enough power to destroy an aircraft without prep.

Originally posted by Superboy Prime
It's sad that you have to lower the debate to IFs. Ifs are not practical when you're debating. And who says that Nimpo is not destructive? It has enough power to destroy an aircraft without prep. No buddy, what's sad is how you water down Ryu's capabilities. I mean the guy is no DBZ allstar and neither is Hayabusa contrary to popular belief. An aircraft is not as tough as an island a comet or a mountain which Gouki destroyed with single physical strikes, most people even forget he wasn't even Shin. Most people forget that by the time of 3rd Strike Ryu is not that far behind Gouki if behind at all, Ryu most likely is but not by that much. Weapons Haybusa can do it but the hand to hand Hayabusa used in DOA is not as strong as people make him seem. I got a question, who do you believe will win, Strider Hiryu or Ryu Hayabusa?

Originally posted by Cloud_VII
Nothing says this is without the use of weapons, and like I already said, Tengu, Genra, DOATEC's most powerful creation, Ayane, Hayate, Raidou, and Ryu are DOA's powerhouses and could take SF.

Again cloud_VII giving ryu weapons is an unfair advantage, this is suppose to be hand-to-hand.

even ryu with weapons would have a hard time with akuma though. the guy can destroy mountains with a palm and pretty much has a send to hell move

Seriously in this forum Hayabusa is the undisputed most overrated character i have ever seen besides revan and bane in the SWV

And lightness trust me, fanboys of haya are going to say "Zomg but he can teleport!!!!! he can walk on water!!!! He haqs nimpo!!!"
And never asking the question, what if the battle fit ryus situation and not hayas?

Feat wars can be irrelevant sometimes

Originally posted by Remulous
No buddy, what's sad is how you water down Ryu's capabilities. I mean the guy is no DBZ allstar and neither is Hayabusa contrary to popular belief. An aircraft is not as tough as an island a comet or a mountain which Gouki destroyed with single physical strikes, most people even forget he wasn't even Shin. Most people forget that by the time of 3rd Strike Ryu is not that far behind Gouki if behind at all, Ryu most likely is but not by that much. Weapons Haybusa can do it but the hand to hand Hayabusa used in DOA is not as strong as people make him seem. I got a question, who do you believe will win, Strider Hiryu or Ryu Hayabusa?

I have zero knowledge about Strider Hiryu, so I rather not comment on the matchup. I am not watering down Ryu's capabilities, but I am 100% certain Ryu is not as fast as Hayabusa. In my scenario Ryu could be throwing planet busting punches left and right, but if any of them fail to connect it will do him no good. One teleportation out of harm's way a fair distance from Ryu and an instantaneous Nimpo blast. Rinse and repeat.

Originally posted by lightness
even ryu with weapons would have a hard time with akuma though. the guy can destroy mountains with a palm and pretty much has a send to hell move

I never claimed Ryu Hayabusa would dance la macarena while fighting the top tiers though.

Originally posted by Kadesh
Again cloud_VII giving ryu weapons is an unfair advantage, this is suppose to be hand-to-hand.

It may be cheap, but I don't recall reading the thread creator state it was without weapons.

Originally posted by Kadesh
Seriously in this forum Hayabusa is the undisputed most overrated character i have ever seen besides revan and bane in the SWV

And lightness trust me, fanboys of haya are going to say "Zomg but he can teleport!!!!! he can walk on water!!!! He haqs nimpo!!!"
And never asking the question, what if the battle fit ryus situation and not hayas?

Feat wars can be irrelevant sometimes

How can the battle fit Ryu's situation? You mean stacking the odds in Ryu's favor? Then sure strip Haya of his weapons, Nimpo and his ability to come back from the dead and it will suit Ryu.

How is Hayabusa faster than Ryu? So Ryu dodging bullets from like a foot away aint fast? Bty, Ryu did this when he was in his early 20s, by now Ryu is several times faster than that by now. If Hayabusa can make Ryu's speed look like a cake walk than Hayabusa's speed has to be on a DBZ level which it aint. There is no proof that Hayabusa is faster than Ryu. Haybusa can have the nimpo which is actually magic but it looks f**ked up having to beat down a bare handed fighter with the friggen Dragon Sword.

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Originally posted by lightness
even ryu with weapons would have a hard time with akuma though. the guy can destroy mountains with a palm and pretty much has a send to hell move

Hayabusa could have all the weapons in Ninja Gaiden, he wont beat Gouki especialy not Shin Gouki.

Originally posted by Superboy Prime
It may be cheap, but I don't recall reading the thread creator state it was without weapons.

And when people get into a debate, we start it of where its fair and not cheap where one side has a cheap advantage

Wait a minute..... since when could Hayabusa use a weapon in DOA?

Originally posted by Remulous
How is Hayabusa faster than Ryu?

How is he not?!

Originally posted by Remulous

So Ryu dodging bullets from like a foot away aint fast? Bty, Ryu did this when he was in his early 20s, by now Ryu is several times faster than that by now.

Ryu, only dodged bullets in alpha the movie, he never did it in the official timeline. Ryu, has been stated to have the ability to dodge bullets but has never demonstrated it.


Originally posted by Remulous


If Hayabusa can make Ryu's speed look like a cake walk than Hayabusa's speed has to be on a DBZ level which it aint. There is no proof that Hayabusa is faster than Ryu. Haybusa can have the nimpo which is actually magic but it looks f**ked up having to beat down a bare handed fighter with the friggen Dragon Sword.

Hayabusa, with his barehands defeated a Over-Dimensinal magical being who covered the planet with a cloud of choas and ripped holes between dimensions.

As for speed, hayabusa moves so fast he can vanish and can run on water with his speed. The dude is a speedster, and ryu isn't.

Originally posted by Superboy Prime
It may be cheap, but I don't recall reading the thread creator state it was without weapons.

Unless they were using ki, ninpo or a weapon in the fighting game, it is banned. And CINEMATIC SCENES DO NOT COUNT.

Originally posted by Emperor Ashtar
How is he not?!



Ryu, only dodged bullets in alpha the movie, he never did it in the official timeline. Ryu, has been stated to have the ability to dodge bullets but has never demonstrated it.



Hayabusa, with his barehands defeated a Over-Dimensinal magical being who covered the planet with a cloud of choas and ripped holes between dimensions.

As for speed, hayabusa moves so fast he can vanish and can run on water with his speed. The dude is a speedster, and ryu isn't. Hayabusa has hardly done any of that in DOA. Who the hell has Hayabusa beaten with his bare hands?The bottom line is the fighting game versions of Ryu will beat the fighting game versions of Hayabusa.

Originally posted by Major Snafu
Unless they were using ki, ninpo or a weapon in the fighting game, it is banned. And CINEMATIC SCENES DO NOT COUNT.
Now you are not being fair. Cutscenes should matter because they are pretty much the only things that show character feats, and what happens in gameplay isn't always accurate. For instance, Tina being able to beat Ryu or ALPHA-152 is downright impossible, and all cutscenes in DOA show characters' strength and powers. Ryu was shown slicing through metal in DOA4 and easily obliterating an aircraft.

Originally posted by Cloud_VII
Now you are not being fair. Cutscenes should matter because they are pretty much the only things that show character feats, and what happens in gameplay isn't always accurate. For instance, Tina being able to beat Ryu or ALPHA-152 is downright impossible, and all cutscenes in DOA show characters' strength and powers. Ryu was shown slicing through metal in DOA4 and easily obliterating an aircraft.

Actually, I am being fair, because in actual gameplay, the ninjas don't use ninpo or their weapons. If I wanted to be unfair, then I'd have half the Capcom roster on DOA. I'fe already made it fair enough by decreasing the number of Street Fighters to match the numbers from the DOA series.

I've also checked out Ayane's DOA4 Ending. It took Ayane at least 25 seconds to charge and execute her ninpo attack on the DOATEC guards. I'll admit that it is indeed destructive, but the attack simply takes too long to charge up, giving her opponent more than enough time to retaliate.

I think it would be more of a challenge if you included all of the cast of Street Fighter, and make DOA characters use weapons if needed. Now both sides have their advantages, and there are 25 total characters in DOA last time I checked.

Ayane will not take that time to destroy an entire area. She'll be doing less devastating attacks on her opponents, and the attack took 18 seconds to do leaving out the slow motion.

Originally posted by Remulous
Hayabusa has hardly done any of that in DOA. Who the hell has Hayabusa beaten with his bare hands?The bottom line is the fighting game versions of Ryu will beat the fighting game versions of Hayabusa.
That was DOA I mentioned, not ninja gaiden.

It's like this...

In Hand to Hand combat, Street Fighters win.

In a battle to the death, Dead or Alive characters would win.

Originally posted by Cloud_VII
It's like this...

In Hand to Hand combat, Street Fighters win.

In a battle to the death, Dead or Alive characters would win.

You mean the ninjas would win the battle to the death. That doesn't mean that some of the Street Fighters woudn't mind killing their opponents. And there are plenty from the SF roster.

Were this a battle to the death, I would have used the Mortal Kombat roster instead. It would have been amusing to see Shao Kahn smack the DOA people around with his big-ass hammer.

Originally posted by Major Snafu
And there are plenty from the SF roster.

How many of them are a threat, really?

Originally posted by Cloud_VII
It's like this...

In Hand to Hand combat, Street Fighters win.

In a battle to the death, Dead or Alive characters would win. If you made it a battle to the death, that would mean all characters would be willing to kill, making the SF *not* hold back.

Holding back or not 3/4 of SF's cast is cannon fodder. Only when Gouki, Gill, Bison, Sagat & the like join the fight will things get sour for DOA.

Originally posted by Cloud_VII
Dead or Alive's powerhouses

Omega: http://youtube.com/watch?v=DJz8ljXRaGk, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dead_or_Alive_3

ALPHA-152: http://youtube.com/watch?v=lT7wjjQ3obo

Raidou: http://youtube.com/watch?v=xza9nOWOpsI

Hayate: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kltInKmz0GY&mode=related&search

Ayane: http://youtube.com/watch?v=5eL_KR64MDw

Ryu: http://youtube.com/watch?v=suBFY39P4Ps

Tengu: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tengu_%28Dead_or_Alive%29

Spartan-458: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nicole_%28Dead_or_Alive%29

Bayman: http://youtube.com/watch?v=SuiqOWWat6g

This shows more of Ayane's attack on DOATEC: http://youtube.com/watch?v=Cmp3eXQ7fkE

Also, Spartan-458 is pretty much like Master Chief.
I still think that in a battle to the death, DOA characters win.

I want to see the best Street Fighters can do that would give DOA characters a good challenge.

No One in DOA can beat Gouki, Bison, Ryu, Ryu after training with Oro, Oro, Gill, Urien, or Twelve. And the DOA ninjas are the only characters that pose even the slightest threat. Shin Gouki, Gill and Bison can pretty much destroy the entire DOA cast on their own.

Originally posted by Remulous
No One in DOA can beat Gouki, Bison, Ryu, Ryu after training with Oro, Oro, Gill, Urien, or Twelve. And the DOA ninjas are the only characters that pose even the slightest threat. Shin Gouki, Gill and Bison can pretty much destroy the entire DOA cast on their own.
I'm assuming you did not see any of videos I just posted.

Originally posted by Remulous
No One in DOA can beat Gouki, Bison, Ryu, Ryu after training with Oro, Oro, Gill, Urien, or Twelve. And the DOA ninjas are the only characters that pose even the slightest threat. Shin Gouki, Gill and Bison can pretty much destroy the entire DOA cast on their own.

Could the ninjas withstand Gill's Seraphic Wing or Meteor Storm? Or how about Urien's Tyrant Slaughter or the cheap-ass Aegis Reflector corner combo?

Oro fights with one hand tied behind his back because should he uses both hands, he could kill his opponent. Gen is a trained assassin with a deathwish.

And everybody knows Bison's track record, not to mention that Bison's Ler Drit style combined with his Psycho Power is indeed dangerous.

Vega is a sadistic freak who would love nothing more than to slice Kasumi and Ayane into ribbons. Sagat already killed Go Hibiki in a match. And Bison has Juli, Juni and Cammy on his side, and all three have killed before.

Raidou managed to steal the Sky Torn Blast, but what good will that move will be against the Raging Demon, or the Kongou Kokuretsuzan and Misogi?

I have to second what Remulous said. The four ninjas are the only credible threat on the DOA roster because Itagaki wanted them to be dangerous.

More than likely, if Team Ninja attacked Gill, he just uses the Seraphic Wing to deal massive damage on all of them.

Ryu's invulnerable while executing Karma techniques, and depending on the radius of those attacks, they can simply teleport out of harm's way. I don't see any of the Street Fighters posing a threat against the True Dragon Sword or the DDB for that matter.


I find it very easy for Ryu to kill any opponent from SF.


Omega is said to have unprecedented capabilities. He can create shockwaves, shoot energy blasts out from his body, shoot flames at his opponents, and has a double-edged energy saber. ALPHA-152 is a pretty fierce opponent since she is the most powerful creation of DOATEC.


I don't see Vega posing a threat to either Ryu, Hayate, ALPHA-152, Genra, Omega, or Spartan-468.


What about Ryu's Karma techniques? Also, I don't see any of the Street Fighters surviving once Ryu summons a soul of a Black Dragon to come and kill them.


No, that's wrong.


Inazuma would severely injure just about anyone from SF. Also, Ayane's attack, while it takes time, can still be executed as long as some of the Street Fighters are distracted. i.e., ALPHA-152 attacking everyone at the same time. That's just how fast she is. With the DDB, Ryu could create magical shurikens out of thin air and send them at the cast of SF. Omega's shockwaves, etc. So, Ayane's attack can deal massive damage as the Seraphic Wing can. Anyway, I see DOA having a bigger chance of winning in a deathmatch.

Nice that you brought Nicole into the fight. I had forgotten the DOA cast had a Spartan II amongst them.

Gouki especialy Shin Gouki will kill anyone in DOA even Hayabusa and he could have all his swords, projectiles, and Nimpo and a 2 handed Oro is just as deadly if not more deadly. Let's not forget about characters like Vega, Balrog, Sagat and Zangeif. They as well can take any DOA character up until the ninjas and Sagat can take the ninjas out as well.

Wow...no...


Do you know how easy it is for Ryu to kill any of the characters you just mentioned?

Originally posted by Superboy Prime
Holding back or not 3/4 of SF's cast is cannon fodder. Only when Gouki, Gill, Bison, Sagat & the like join the fight will things get sour for DOA. Alot of the cast is very powerful and can take on plenty of DOA without fancy karma techniques. In these debates it's usually top tier vs. top tier.

Originally posted by Cloud_VII
Wow...no...
Wow...Hell yeah...

Originally posted by Cloud_VII
Do you know how easy it is for Ryu to kill any of the characters you just mentioned? Yes, that's why I said' "up until the ninjas". And Do you know how easy it is for the chracters I previously mentioned to kill any character from DOA, EXEPT THE NINJAS. Sagat can take the ninjas. Ken could take down alot of DOA too, but not much of DOA can take him down.

Originally posted by Tha C-Master
Alot of the cast is very powerful and can take on plenty of DOA without fancy karma techniques. In these debates it's usually top tier vs. top tier. Basicly. Although I think SF's mid and lower teirs can take DOAs.

Originally posted by Remulous
Wow...Hell yeah...
No, you just proved you know next to nothing about Ryu.

Originally posted by Remulous
Yes, that's why I said' "up until the ninjas". And Do you know how easy it is for the chracters I previously mentioned to kill any character from DOA, EXEPT THE NINJAS.
I really suggest that you check the links I posted on the other page.

Originally posted by Remulous
Sagat can take the ninjas.
So, Sagat can't be cut by a sword?

Originally posted by Remulous
Ken could take down alot of DOA too, but not much of DOA can take him down.
Ein is a genetically enhanced superhuman who's also a master of Karate. He can also execute the Torn Sky Blast. He could kick Ken's ass.

Raidou is no match for Akuma.

Sure he can copy techniques, he sexually assaulted Ayame, stole the Sky Torn Blast and maimed Hayate, but against Akuma, who mastered the Instant Hell Murder, the Misogi (Shinto Purification Ceremony), the Kongou Kokuretsu Zan (Continent-Destroying Vajra Slash) and possibly every deadly move in the Ansatsuken handbook, Raidou, as Vince McMahon would say, have no chance in hell against Akuma.

That and Raidou would have a bit of a problem in trying to copy Akumas's techniques.

According to Capcom, the I.H.M. is a technique that places the user's life in jeopardy, though it can kill one's opponent instantly. Also, during said move, the martial artist drags his victim to the Netherealm (Hell) where their bodies are both burned and simultaneously attacked by demons. The ferocity with which these demons attack depends on the amount of negative karma an individual has accrued over their lifetime.

As Akuma states in his Alpha 3 ending, "It is not my fist, but your past sins that will kill you..."

Ayane will be pissed at Akuma for killing Raidou (although Kasumi had already done that already) and will go after him. Ayane's disadvantage is her youth. Akuma has been fighting as long as Raidou.

Sure Ayane can give Akuma a run for his money, but she is outmatched and outclassed.

Originally posted by Cloud_VII
No, you just proved you know next to nothing about Ryu. Right and it's obvious to see that you know nearly nothinhg about SF period, not like that's a bad thing, it's just a game after all.


Originally posted by Cloud_VII
I really suggest that you check the links I posted on the other page..I've seen them and I know what DOA is capable of, I own nearly every DOA.


Originally posted by Cloud_VII
So, Sagat can't be cut by a sword? So DOA characters can't be hurt by Tiger Shots, Blows, Knees, and Uppercuts? The Shoryuken nearly sliced Sagat in 2, the Tiger Uppercut was made to rival that. Just as sharp as a sword.


Originally posted by Cloud_VII
Ein is a genetically enhanced superhuman who's also a master of Karate. He can also execute the Torn Sky Blast. He could kick Ken's ass. Ken does not have to be genetically enhanced, he is already superhuman from intense training and is a master of Anasatsuken or Shotokan and the Shoryuken. He can also execute the Shoryureppa, Shippu Jinrai Kyaku and the...SHINRYUKEN!!! He will kick Ein's ass and damn near everyone elses too.

Watching the DOA Ultimate intro just gave me a sick thought.

Akuma takes on both Hayate and Ayane in a handicap battle. With Akuma's skill and power, Hayate and Ayane would wish they would be fighting Raidou. Akuma shows them why he is the 'Master of the Fists.'

The Torn Sky Blast vs the Messatsu Gouhadou...and everything else in between

I agree with Ken beating Ein's ass, but lets be fair that is not Hayate at his best. We're talking about a guy with amnesia and karate moves. Nothing really intimidating about that...although his blows are a bit too powerful even by DOA standards. Ken could take Ein out anyday of the week if you ask me...however Haya, Kasumi, Ayane are a whole other story.

Originally posted by Major Snafu
Raidou is no match for Akuma.

Sure he can copy techniques, he sexually assaulted Ayame, stole the Sky Torn Blast and maimed Hayate, but against Akuma, who mastered the Instant Hell Murder, the Misogi (Shinto Purification Ceremony), the Kongou Kokuretsu Zan (Continent-Destroying Vajra Slash) and possibly every deadly move in the Ansatsuken handbook, Raidou, as Vince McMahon would say, have no chance in hell against Akuma.

That and Raidou would have a bit of a problem in trying to copy Akumas's techniques.

According to Capcom, the I.H.M. is a technique that places the user's life in jeopardy, though it can kill one's opponent instantly. Also, during said move, the martial artist drags his victim to the Netherealm (Hell) where their bodies are both burned and simultaneously attacked by demons. The ferocity with which these demons attack depends on the amount of negative karma an individual has accrued over their lifetime.

As Akuma states in his Alpha 3 ending, "It is not my fist, but your past sins that will kill you..."

Ayane will be pissed at Akuma for killing Raidou (although Kasumi had already done that already) and will go after him. Ayane's disadvantage is her youth. Akuma has been fighting as long as Raidou.

Sure Ayane can give Akuma a run for his money, but she is outmatched and outclassed.
Raidou developed a technique that instantly copies any tecnhiques he saw. It is unlikely that Akuma would attack him first. Most likely, He would not be his first target, which would mean in the long run Akuma's techniques would be usable on both sides, making the SF team not anymore a threat to DOA as DOA is to SF.

As for the sin thing, opponents such as ALPHA-152 to not bear any sins. Ryu and Hayate, as well other characters from DOA are good as opposed to being evil.

Also, you forgot about other the fierce opponents of DOA. Ryu with the Dark Dragon Blade can summon a Black Dragon soul to kill just about anyone from the other team. That, or he could use the True Dragon Sword, which is a more dangerous weapon.

Originally posted by Remulous
Right and it's obvious to see that you know nearly nothinhg about SF period, not like that's a bad thing, it's just a game after all.
No. Before I make posts, I do some research on the other side so that I don't say any information that's false. It's not like I said someone from DOA will kill anyone from SF.

Originally posted by Remulous
I've seen them and I know what DOA is capable of, I own nearly every DOA.
You do not know that much of Dead of Alive, apparently. I have a lot of Street Fighters that aren't remakes of one another.

Originally posted by Remulous
So DOA characters can't be hurt by Tiger Shots, Blows, Knees, and Uppercuts?
You were putting Sagat up against the ninjas, who are armed with swords and two of them have APFSDS weaponry. They are so fast, that bullets fail to touch them. I really don't think Sagat would have anything on them.

Originally posted by Remulous
The Shoryuken nearly sliced Sagat in 2, the Tiger Uppercut was made to rival that. Just as sharp as a sword.
I guess you're assuming that they're going to stand there and let Sagat hit them.

Originally posted by Remulous
Ken does not have to be genetically enhanced, he is already superhuman from intense training and is a master of Anasatsuken or Shotokan and the Shoryuken. He can also execute the Shoryureppa, Shippu Jinrai Kyaku and the...SHINRYUKEN!!! He will kick Ein's ass and damn near everyone elses too.
You know Ein/Hayate can just appear behind Ken and swipe off Ken's head with a sword.

Originally posted by Major Snafu
Watching the DOA Ultimate intro just gave me a sick thought.

Akuma takes on both Hayate and Ayane in a handicap battle. With Akuma's skill and power, Hayate and Ayane would wish they would be fighting Raidou. Akuma shows them why he is the 'Master of the Fists.'

The Torn Sky Blast vs the Messatsu Gouhadou...and everything else in between
Hayate and Ayane are much less powerful at the start of DOA then they are by the start of DOA4. In between that time, Hayate was experimented on and made into a superhuman. It took Ayane by the time of DOA3 to defeat Omega, and she's presumably stronger in DOA4.

Why is it that you're putting the strongest character from SF up against two opponents who aren't even close to as powerful as Ryu or ALPHA-152 is? If Ryu can defeat Murai and hold his own against the Vigoor Emperor, if you even know what kind of opponents these are, I really don't see Akuma as much of a threat.

Originally posted by Cloud_VII
Hayate and Ayane are much less powerful at the start of DOA then they are by the start of DOA4. In between that time, Hayate was experimented on and made into a superhuman. It took Ayane by the time of DOA3 to defeat Omega, and she's presumably stronger in DOA4.

Why is it that you're putting the strongest character from SF up against two opponents who aren't even close to as powerful as Ryu or ALPHA-152 is? If Ryu can defeat Murai and hold his own against the Vigoor Emperor, if you even know what kind of opponents these are, I really don't see Akuma as much of a threat.

You misunderstood me. I didn't say nothing about Akuma fighting Hayate and Ayane at their weakest. I'm talking about Akuma at his strongest and the two ninjas at their strongest. You said it that Hayate was now a superman and Ayane won the DOA3 tournament, so either way, they may stand a chance against Akuma, they may not.

As I've mentioned before, their youth puts them at a serious disafvantage. Sure they've been trained since birth, but they lack fighting experience needed to defeat someone like Akuma.

Originally posted by Cloud_VII
No. Before I make posts, I do some research on the other side so that I don't say any information that's false. I don't need to do research, I play DOA just as much as SF, none of the info I have stated is false any one who has played DOA 1, 2, 3, or 4 knows that DOA wont win only the ninjas stand a chance.Originally posted by Cloud_VII
It's not like I said someone from DOA will kill anyone from SF. Cause you know It's not true but the SF bosses can kill anyone in DOA. Gouki will defeat any one in DOA or Ninja Gaiden.


Originally posted by Cloud_VII
You do not know that much of Dead of Alive, apparently. I have a lot of Street Fighters that aren't remakes of one another. If you say so dude. If Ignoring the powers of the SFs shows you know alot about SF then you are indeed the master of SF knowledge.


Originally posted by Cloud_VII
You were putting Sagat up against the ninjas, who are armed with swords and two of them have APFSDS weaponry. They are so fast, that bullets fail to touch them. I really don't think Sagat would have anything on them. Vega's got a claw and he is basicly a ninja bull fighter yet Sagat can kick his ass so weapons aren't much of a threat, he can dodge them just like he dodges punches or kicks. Ryu has the ability to dodge bullets and Sagat is his equal, possibly greater. Where do people get this idea that being a DOA ninja makes you faster than theSFs geuss the SF ninjas must really suck?


Originally posted by Cloud_VII
I guess you're assuming that they're going to stand there and let Sagat hit them. What?! And I guess you're assuming that Sagat's going to stand there and let them slice the hell out of him.Originally posted by Cloud_VII
You know Ein/Hayate can just appear behind Ken and swipe off Ken's head with a sword. Right. Ken will appear behind Ein/Hayate and Shinryuken him and even the Shinryuken would be over kill. Even if he does get behind the Shinryuken will still destroy him.

Originally posted by Remulous
I don't need to do research, I play DOA just as much as SF, none of the info I have stated is false any one who has played DOA 1, 2, 3, or 4 knows that DOA wont win only the ninjas stand a chance. Cause you know It's not true but the SF bosses can kill anyone in DOA. Gouki will kill any one in DOA or Ninja Gaiden.


If you say so dude. If Ignoring the powers of the SFs shows you know alot about SF then you are indeed the master of SF knowledge.


Vega's got a claw and he is basicly a ninja bull fighter yet Sagat can kick his ass so weapons aren't much of a threat, he can dodge them just like he dodges punches or kicks. Ryu has the ability to dodge bullets and Sagat is his equal, possibly greater. Where do people get this idea that being a DOA ninja makes you faster than theSFs geuss the SF ninjas must really suck?


What?! And I guess you're assuming that Sagat's going to stand there and let them slice the hell out of him.

I distinctly remember saying that unless the weapons are in-game and not in a cinema sequence, then the weapons are banned.

You still give The ninjas an unfair advantage,

Originally posted by Kadesh
You still give The ninjas an unfair advantage,

No I didn't. The ninjas (as well as the other DOA members) still fave to deal with Sagat, Bison, Akuma, Gen and everyone else who has killed or maimed on the Street Fighter roster.

So are you implying that because the ninjas use weapons they automatically win? SF fighters are hand to hand, Are you seriously overrating DOA?

Originally posted by Kadesh
So are you implying that because the ninjas use weapons they automatically win? SF fighters are hand to hand, Are you seriously overrating DOA?

No. If I wanted weapons, I would have stuck in Capcom characters that are not in the Street Fighter series. I'm not overrating nothing. I'm simplying being fair about the whole situation.

The DOA characters can fight without weapons, as seen during the in-game play. I'll admit several of the SFers (Sodim, Rolento, Vega) use weapons, but I only allowed it because theu actually use them during in-game play.

I'm not taking no sides, I'm just stating my honest opinion on certain issues and that is all. I've already lowered the numbers of the Street Fighters so that it can match the numbers from DOA.

Originally posted by Major Snafu
No. If I wanted weapons, I would have stuck in Capcom characters that are not in the Street Fighter series. I'm not overrating nothing. I'm simplying being fair about the whole situation.

The DOA characters can fight without weapons, as seen during the in-game play. I'll admit several of the SFers (Sodim, Rolento, Vega) use weapons, but I only allowed it because theu actually use them during in-game play.

I'm not taking no sides, I'm just stating my honest opinion on certain issues and that is all. I've already lowered the numbers of the Street Fighters so that it can match the numbers from DOA. Why not just exclude the characyers that use weapons? SF has enough characters so that they can be replaced in this battle with characters that don't use weapons.

Originally posted by Remulous
Why not just exclude the characyers that use weapons? SF has enough characters so that they can be replaced in this battle with characters that don't use weapons.

There's only three men who uses weapons on the SF roster: Sodom, Rolento, and Vega. I can drop Sodom, but not Rolento nor Vega.

Originally posted by Major Snafu
You misunderstood me. I didn't say nothing about Akuma fighting Hayate and Ayane at their weakest. I'm talking about Akuma at his strongest and the two ninjas at their strongest. You said it that Hayate was now a superman and Ayane won the DOA3 tournament, so either way, they may stand a chance against Akuma, they may not.

As I've mentioned before, their youth puts them at a serious disafvantage. Sure they've been trained since birth, but they lack fighting experience needed to defeat someone like Akuma.
But I don't see why someone like Raidou can't take him. He has more fighting experience than Hayate and Ayane combined. He has the ability of copying any techniques he sees staight away, regardless of what they are.

Chances are he's learned so many techniques after traveling abroad, that he would be more of a challenge than anyone else from the DOA cast.

Originally posted by Cloud_VII
But I don't see why someone like Raidou can't take him. He has more fighting experience than Hayate and Ayane combined. He has the ability of copying any techniques he sees staight away, regardless of what they are.

Chances are he's learned so many techniques after traveling abroad, that he would be more of a challenge than anyone else from the DOA cast.

What I said about Akuma in a handicap match was just wishful thinking. The renegade Mugen Tenshin ninja versus the Master of the fists is probably one of the most dramatic battles to take place in this thread.

Raidou can mimic his opponent's abilities, but I seriously doubt that he could successfully mimic the Raging Demon, not at the risk of his own life.

Like I said in one of my threads, Akuma states that it is the past sins of his opponent that will be their undoing should Akuma nails them with the Raging Demon. The more evil they committed, the more painful their death will be.

The only way to successfully avoid the Raging Demon is to empty one's soul of any negative thought, which is highly unlikely for Raidou. Only Gen and (probably) Ryu performed this feat with success.

Also, Ansatsuken is a much more violent fighting style (which incorporates elements of karate, judo, taekwondo, and koppo), which at its purest, is indeed deadly.

Originally posted by Remulous
I don't need to do research, I play DOA just as much as SF, none of the info I have stated is false any one who has played DOA 1, 2, 3, or 4 knows that DOA wont win only the ninjas stand a chance. Cause you know It's not true but the SF bosses can kill anyone in DOA. Gouki will defeat any one in DOA or Ninja Gaiden.
Yeah...you just proved how ignorant you are.

Originally posted by Remulous
If you say so dude. If Ignoring the powers of the SFs shows you know alot about SF then you are indeed the master of SF knowledge.
I do not ignore anyone's power. I do research and find out about what characters on the other side can and can't do, and like you can talk you apparently know nothing about Raidou, Genra, or the DDB for that matter. For that reason, you should not be even arguing.

Originally posted by Remulous
Vega's got a claw and he is basicly a ninja bull fighter yet Sagat can kick his ass so weapons aren't much of a threat, he can dodge them just like he dodges punches or kicks. Ryu has the ability to dodge bullets and Sagat is his equal, possibly greater.
Sagat has nothing on a Dragon Ninja who has Fiend blood running through him and who has immeasurable strength in his Demon Form. What's the use of weapons in this case? None that's what.

Originally posted by Remulous
Where do people get this idea that being a DOA ninja makes you faster than theSFs geuss the SF ninjas must really suck?
Did I say SF ninjas are not as fast as Ryu or they suck? No. I was saying I don't see Vega posing a threat to Ryu and Hayate. That doesn't mean he's not as fast. The reason I'm saying this is I don't think Vega has anything beyond his physical abilities and his claw.

Originally posted by Remulous
What?! And I guess you're assuming that Sagat's going to stand there and let them slice the hell out of him.
Now was I assuming that? No. I just think that he won't avoid Hayate's and Ryu's attacks considering the fact they teleport.

Originally posted by Remulous
Right. Ken will appear behind Ein/Hayate and Shinryuken him and even the Shinryuken would be over kill. Even if he does get behind the Shinryuken will still destroy him.
Wait so Ken can teleport now? I'm asking this because I don't see anything saying that he can. If that's the case, he gets screwed over.

Originally posted by Major Snafu
I distinctly remember saying that unless the weapons are in-game and not in a cinema sequence, then the weapons are banned.
And like I said, in hand-to-hand combat, Street Fighters win. That should've ended the argument.

I was just pointing out that if this was a battle to the death, with the use of weapons, the DOA cast would win for several reasons.

Originally posted by Major Snafu
What I said about Akuma in a handicap match was just wishful thinking. The renegade Mugen Tenshin ninja versus the Master of the fists is probably one of the most dramatic battles to take place in this thread.

Raidou can mimic his opponent's abilities, but I seriously doubt that he could successfully mimic the Raging Demon, not at the risk of his own life.

Like I said in one of my threads, Akuma states that it is the past sins of his opponent that will be their undoing should Akuma nails them with the Raging Demon. The more evil they committed, the more painful their death will be.

The only way to successfully avoid the Raging Demon is to empty one's soul of any negative thought, which is highly unlikely for Raidou. Only Gen and (probably) Ryu performed this feat with success.

Also, Ansatsuken is a much more violent fighting style (which incorporates elements of karate, judo, taekwondo, and koppo), which at its purest, is indeed deadly.
How does Akuma know that Raidou can mimic any technique(s) he sees and that he's not pure of heart? It's a 4% chance that he will attack him first considering there are 25 characters in DOA, and any techniques Akuma uses would be copied since from what I've read about Raidou, he can copy any technique, so that means Akuma's will be copied.

What the hell? where does it state raidou can copy techniques? And you think akuma wouldnt do a background check on raidou? Fighters tend to do that to make sure no "upperhand" is gained for the opposing side

Originally posted by Kadesh
What the hell? where does it state raidou can copy techniques? And you think akuma wouldnt do a background check on raidou? Fighters tend to do that to make sure no "upperhand" is gained for the opposing side

It's in his profile.

Raidou is the younger brother of Shinden (husband of Ayame, father to Kasumi and Hayate), the current grandmaster of the Mugen Tenshin clan.

Raidou was furious with the fact that he will only be second to his brother and trained to surpass his brother, as well as everyone else. It is during this training he accquires his skill copy technique.

Raidou gets booted from the clan for raping his sister-in-law, which results in Ayane's birth. He returns to the village for the Torn Sky Blast, which he gets and maims his nephew in the process.

Originally posted by Cloud_VII
In hand to hand combat, Street Fighters would win. That should've ended the argument.

I was just pointing out that if this was a battle to the death, with the use of weapons, the DOA cast would win.

That's just my opinion.

Raidou being able to copy techniques doesnt mean he would win..
Again its how effectively he can perform akumas moves which i doubt due to akumas mastery over his own techniques

Originally posted by Kadesh
Raidou being able to copy techniques doesnt mean he would win..
Again its how effectively he can perform akumas moves which i doubt due to akumas mastery over his own techniques
That really has nothing to do with anything since it's been proven that Raidou can execute attacks as well as the user can. Hayate's well mastered the Torn Sky Blast that even Ayane pleaded to him not to do it. Raidou mimicked it instantly and used it against Hayate, and overpowered him.

And like someone said earlier, it's the characters past sins that determine how effective the Raging Demon will be, and it is a technique after all. Raidou's technique can copy any other technique, and can master it the same way anyone else can.

street fighter wins. how about that? ninja gaiden is pretty cool though what's that guy's name again?