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Phoenix

hyperstorm is one with hyperspace the source of all energy in this plane of reality so hyperstorm can't really die

Originally posted by Molecule man
hyperstorm is one with hyperspace the source of all energy in this plane of reality so hyperstorm can't really die

Hmmm...I wonder if he has a connection to the Phoenix Force, seeing that he is a Grey/Summers/Richards

Originally posted by Molecule man
hyperstorm is one with hyperspace the source of all energy in this plane of reality so hyperstorm can't really die

And the Phoenix Force is the power behind the Big Bang which created reality and from which all energy in 616 comes from, so the two seem to be at odds. However despite all of his boasts about his power level he never did anything impressive on panel and then got completely punked by Galactus. Phoenix Force wins without a doubt. All life stems from it. Hyperstorm is a life form is he not?

Well If there was Hyperspace before this realilty then it might not matter wether she is part of this realilty.

Originally posted by golem370
Well If there was Hyperspace before this realilty then it might not matter wether she is part of this realilty.

Has Hyperstorm done anything impressive?

Did Hyperstorm get completely taken out by Galactus?

Is Hyperstorm not a lifeform?

Is the Phoenix Force not the sum and substance of all life?

Originally posted by golem370
Well If there was Hyperspace before this realilty then it might not matter wether she is part of this realilty.

Hyperstorm was powerless against Galactus, he ain't doing anything to Phoenix Force.

Originally posted by Xplosive
Hyperstorm was powerless against Galactus, he ain't doing anything to Phoenix Force.

the only reason hyperstorm is powerless against Galactus is because hes so strong Galactus can actually feed off his energy, i dont think Phoenix could feed off his energy

Originally posted by Kurash
the only reason hyperstorm is powerless against Galactus is because hes so strong Galactus can actually feed off his energy, i dont think Phoenix could feed off his energy

Phoenix Force is more powerful then Galactus. It has far more power than Hyperstorm.

Originally posted by Xplosive
Phoenix Force is more powerful then Galactus. It has far more power than Hyperstorm.

its because he pulls his energy out of hyperspace and Galactus can feed off that, technically his powers are limitless because he can continue to pull energy out of Hyperspace

Originally posted by Kurash
its because he pulls his energy out of hyperspace and Galactus can feed off that, technically his powers are limitless because he can continue to pull energy out of Hyperspace

Many cosmic beings have access to a virtually unlimited energy source, Phoenix is also one of those beings. What truly matters in forum debate is how such beings can employ that power and how they have been shown to be able to employ it in battle.

Hyperstorm for all his talk about his power got squished by Galactus no contest. His claims are therefore unproven.

Phoenix arguably has just about the best feats in Marvel. Her ability to use her limitless power is proven.

The Force would stomp Hyperstorm. There is a reason why its avatars are called the ultimate mutation.

im not saying Hyperstorm would take Phoenix, im just saying the reason Galactus stomped him is because the type of energy Hyperstorm uses is the type Galactus eats

Originally posted by Kurash
im not saying Hyperstorm would take Phoenix, im just saying the reason Galactus stomped him is because the type of energy Hyperstorm uses is the type Galactus eats

And yet if Hyperstorm is so powerful he should have been able to stop shouldnt he?

Silver Surfer uses the same energy type as Galactus, does that mean he should automatically be able to punk Galactus and use him as a living energy source?

Hyperstorm may have had access to a virtually unlimited energy source, but from what we saw on panel he could only access that limitless reservoir in a limited fashion. He was all talk and no feats and when it came down to it Galactus snacked on him.

Ok, I'm pretty sure Hyperstorm would beat Phoenix down. And 2nd, NOBODY punks Galactus. THE GUY IS ALMOST AN ABSTRACT. And yes, Galactus is a good deal more powerful than Phoenix when he's eaten.

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
And yet if Hyperstorm is so powerful he should have been able to stop shouldnt he?

Silver Surfer uses the same energy type as Galactus, does that mean he should automatically be able to punk Galactus and use him as a living energy source?

Hyperstorm may have had access to a virtually unlimited energy source, but from what we saw on panel he could only access that limitless reservoir in a limited fashion. He was all talk and no feats and when it came down to it Galactus snacked on him.

maybe its just that im tired, but im not really quite sure what your getting at, Hyperstorm doesnt use cosmic energy, he pulls it out of hyperspace, the same type of energy Galactus gets from eating a planet so thats a completely different scenerio, it would be like Supes trying to fight a man made completely out of Kyrptonite

Originally posted by TricksterPriest
Ok, I'm pretty sure Hyperstorm would beat Phoenix down. And 2nd, NOBODY punks Galactus. THE GUY IS ALMOST AN ABSTRACT. And yes, Galactus is a good deal more powerful than Phoenix when he's eaten.

In alternate realities and in 616 reality the Phoenix has defeated Galactus in combat. With Galactus claiming that Phoenix has access to an unlimited energy source whilst he must continually top up his limited reserves with planets.

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If Galactus just ate a planet he'd be able to hang with an average showing Phoenix for a while before he used up his reserves. Phoenix however would be able to carry on regardless. Galactus is no match for Phoenix.

Originally posted by Kurash
maybe its just that im tired, but im not really quite sure what your getting at, Hyperstorm doesnt use cosmic energy, he pulls it out of hyperspace, the same type of energy Galactus gets from eating a planet so thats a completely different scenerio, it would be like Supes trying to fight a man made completely out of Kyrptonite

Im saying that youre making excuses for Hyperstorms defeat. Youre trying to say that he never got punked, its just that Galactus used the same type of energy as Hype so Galactus could easily use him.

Well im saying well surely if Hype is so powerful he would be able to stop Big G from doing that.

I then highlighted your logic with this example. Because Silver Surfer uses the same energy as Galactus does that mean he can automatically punk him and use him as a living energy source.

As for Hyperstorm he uses cosmic energy that derives from hyperspace. He tried to say that thats where all energy from the universe comes from and that he has access to hyperspace through his power and he can therefore wield all energy types. He didnt wield a different energy type. Galactus absorbs and uses such energy as do most cosmic powers, he just tends to obtain them from planets. If Hyperstorm was so powerful he should have been able to stop Galactus. He could not. Your kryptonite example is invalid as it is not the same situation. Galactus absorbs and channels cosmic energy, so does Hyperstorm. Galactus presence doesnt suddenly weaken Hyperstorm or depower him. What we saw there was just as i said earlier. Hype has a limitless power source but he cannot employ that power in an unlimited fashion. So Galactus who can manipulate energy at a higher scale than Hyperstorm merely demoted him to lunch.

Originally posted by guy222
who survives

Phoenix Force before and after. Its immortal. Hyperstorm is amalgam of a Celestial and Phoenix Force.

the opponents for phoenix in kmc just keeps getting weaker and weaker

Originally posted by qqqqqqq
the opponents for phoenix in kmc just keeps getting weaker and weaker

just my opinion, phoenix force is very impressive. it would appear other beings equal or surpass it. it is immortal can never die

Originally posted by guy222
Hyperstorm is amalgam of a Celestial and Phoenix Force.

How so?

He's the son of the ultimate celestial creation on Earth (Franklin) and Rachel (Phoenix Avatar). I doubt that counts as an analgam because he didn't show any sign of tapping into the Phoenix Force.

And various incarnations of the Phoenix have varying degrees of power. A well-fed Galactus could destroy most of them, though. Hell, the most famed is Dark Phoenix and she never did anything even halfway as impressive as Galactus. The Phoenix before that beat down Firelord (whoo...above Herald-level) and Rachel's Phoenix beat a hungry Galactus.

That's about it. Phoenix isn't that much.

Originally posted by Nikkolas
He's the son of the ultimate celestial creation on Earth (Franklin) and Rachel (Phoenix Avatar). I doubt that counts as an analgam because he didn't show any sign of tapping into the Phoenix Force.

And various incarnations of the Phoenix have varying degrees of power. A well-fed Galactus could destroy most of them, though. Hell, the most famed is Dark Phoenix and she never did anything even halfway as impressive as Galactus. The Phoenix before that beat down Firelord (whoo...above Herald-level) and Rachel's Phoenix beat a hungry Galactus.

That's about it. Phoenix isn't that much.

Franklin at full potential is said to be Celestial level. Just because Hyperstorm is related to him that doesnt give anyone justification to count a Celestial as a fraction of the sum that is Hyperstorm. Thats illogical and unsupported.

Rachel wielded the Phoenix Force, she was able to tap into it, she wasnt one and the same as the Phoenix Force. Rachel being his mother doesnt then make the entire Phoenix Force a fraction of the sum that is Hyperstorm.

Phoenixes do have varying degrees of power, just like many beings do, be they mutants, gods or cosmics. LT's had bad showings, so has Eternity so has Galactus, however its their top showings which count in debate as here on the forums we look at their abilities and hypothesize a matchup based on said abilities being employed at the best theyve been shown to be capable of free of the PIS/CIS thats often the cause for said characters' bad showings.

Jean being killed by Wolverine, or by an alien weapon through plot device doesnt take away from the fact that she has eaten stars, cut away timelines and manipulated universes down to the atomic level.

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
Franklin at full potential is said to be Celestial level. Just because Hyperstorm is related to him that doesnt give anyone justification to count a Celestial as a fraction of the sum that is Hyperstorm. Thats illogical and unsupported.

Rachel wielded the Phoenix Force, she was able to tap into it, she wasnt one and the same as the Phoenix Force. Rachel being his mother doesnt then make the entire Phoenix Force a fraction of the sum that is Hyperstorm.

Phoenixes do have varying degrees of power, just like many beings do, be they mutants, gods or cosmics. LT's had bad showings, so has Eternity so has Galactus, however its their top showings which count in debate as here on the forums we look at their abilities and hypothesize a matchup based on said abilities being employed at the best theyve been shown to be capable of free of the PIS/CIS thats often the cause for said characters' bad showings.

Jean being killed by Wolverine, or by an alien weapon through plot device doesnt take away from the fact that she has eaten stars, cut away timelines and manipulated universes down to the atomic level.

Ashema the Listener said Celestials respect Franklin. In regards to Galactus and Hyperstorm, didn't prove conclusively who's the greater force. Galactus couldn't stop Rachel.

Originally posted by guy222
Ashema the Listener said Celestials respect Franklin. In regards to Galactus and Hyperstorm, didn't prove conclusively who's the greater force. Galactus couldn't stop Rachel.

The Celestials respecting Franklin is irrelevant. Hyperstorm is not Franklin. Being Franklins son doesnt mean that Franklin and all of his abilities are possessed by Hyperstorm.

Galactus defeating Hyperstorm and using him as a personal energy source resulting in Hyperstorm never being seen or heard from again equals complete stompage. It doesnt get more conclusive than that. Hyperstorm was defeated and manipulated with no difficulty whatsoever.

Youre right Rachel did defeat Galactus. Rachel is NOT the same as the Phoenix Force. She merely taps into it. If the Silver Surfer had a kid would that child possess the sum total of all Power Cosmic because its Surfers child?

See my point? Hyperstorm was Rachels child, doesnt in any way, shape or form translate into the Phoenix Force being a part of Hyperstorm.

Thats awful logic.

cosign

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
The Celestials respecting Franklin is irrelevant. Hyperstorm is not Franklin. Being Franklins son doesnt mean that Franklin and all of his abilities are possessed by Hyperstorm.

Galactus defeating Hyperstorm and using him as a personal energy source resulting in Hyperstorm never being seen or heard from again equals complete stompage. It doesnt get more conclusive than that. Hyperstorm was defeated and manipulated with no difficulty whatsoever.

Youre right Rachel did defeat Galactus. Rachel is NOT the same as the Phoenix Force. She merely taps into it. If the Silver Surfer had a kid would that child possess the sum total of all Power Cosmic because its Surfers child?

See my point? Hyperstorm was Rachels child, doesnt in any way, shape or form translate into the Phoenix Force being a part of Hyperstorm.

Thats awful logic.

phoenix force very powerful