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both gets 2 hour of prep

Originally posted by jacobo0o
both gets 2 hour of prep Magic v.s. Tech?

Unless Reed got his hands on the UN, Strange takes this IMO.

Originally posted by Galan007
Magic v.s. Tech?

Unless Reed got his hands on the UN, Strange takes this IMO.
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magic vs science

Strange wouldn't even need the prep IMO, Reed would get an ass kicking he would never forget.

Magic >>>>>> Science

Even if Reed had one-sided prep, Strange would obliterate him.

Originally posted by Soljer
Even if Reed had one-sided prep, Strange would obliterate him.

Bullsh!t ... Strange is over rated.

With one sided prep Reed would beat him.

Reed better uses his two hours of prep to pray to his god....

how in the world is strange overrated??? He is the 616's most powerful sorcerer and can do damn near anything except he has normal strength wich probably can be augmented...oh and his hand to hand probably isnt too sharp either

He couldn't beat an alternate reality Iron Man, He was recently shot and in Illuminati he was taken out by the Kree.

He isn't some god, without his prep he's mid tier a lot of the time

Originally posted by norrinradd43
how in the world is strange overrated??? He is the 616's most powerful sorcerer and can do damn near anything except he has normal strength wich probably can be augmented...oh and his hand to hand probably isnt too sharp either

He's a very skilled hand to hand fighter, and can amp his strength via magic.

'Skill of seraphim,' comes to mind.

Also, Scoob, Strange isn't too over rated, and he certainly wouldn't be beaten by Reed with two hours prep.

Originally posted by Scoobless
He couldn't beat an alternate reality Iron Man, He was recently shot and in Illuminati he was taken out by the Kree.

He isn't some god, without his prep he's mid tier a lot of the time

He was shot by an enchanted lugar that belonged to Adolph Hitler and had tremendous evil power...if Strange had know that the gun was enchanted like that, he would have simply put up a stronger shield I am sure

Originally posted by norrinradd43
He was shot by an enchanted lugar that belonged to Adolph Hitler and had tremendous evil power...if Strange had know that the gun was enchanted like that, he would have simply put up a stronger shield I am sure

So some guy with a gun takes him out = one sided prep

But Reed Richards can't?

Originally posted by Scoobless
So some guy with a gun takes him out = one sided prep

But Reed Richards can't?



Reed can't invent incredibly powerful, evil, supernatural aura's.

Here's a couple of recent examples of Strange being outdone by science.

An alternate reality Tony Stark outmaneuvers him:

http://img226.imageshack.us/img226/8499/marvelteamup0410pa9.th.jpg http://img146.imageshack.us/img146/3022/marvelteamup0412rt4.th.jpg http://img95.imageshack.us/img95/185/marvelteamup0414fu2.th.jpg

He gets beaten and trapped by the Skrulls ..... when he's the one that had one sided prep:

http://img406.imageshack.us/img406/4733/newavengersilluminati01pg2.th.jpg http://img146.imageshack.us/img146/5036/newavengersilluminati01af6.th.jpg http://img95.imageshack.us/img95/3970/newavengersilluminati01cf8.th.jpg


He is not unbeatable .... especially against one sided prep.

Originally posted by Scoobless
Here's a couple of recent examples of Strange being outdone by science.

An alternate reality Tony Stark outmaneuvers him:

http://img226.imageshack.us/img226/8499/marvelteamup0410pa9.th.jpg http://img146.imageshack.us/img146/3022/marvelteamup0412rt4.th.jpg http://img95.imageshack.us/img95/185/marvelteamup0414fu2.th.jpg

He gets beaten and trapped by the Skrulls ..... when he's the one that had one sided prep:

http://img406.imageshack.us/img406/4733/newavengersilluminati01pg2.th.jpg http://img146.imageshack.us/img146/5036/newavengersilluminati01af6.th.jpg http://img95.imageshack.us/img95/3970/newavengersilluminati01cf8.th.jpg


He is not unbeatable .... especially against one sided prep.

As we all know, forum battles are not comic battles.

Hell, Namor's outmaneuvered the Surfer before. PIS and the like exists.

And any time Strange doesn't stop time, call on the infinite energies of dimensions, or use Mind Gem level telepathy, he's not fighting to the best of his abilities.

well said.

strange wins 10/10

Originally posted by Soljer
As we all know, forum battles are not comic battles.

Hell, Namor's outmaneuvered the Surfer before. PIS and the like exists.

And any time Strange doesn't stop time, call on the infinite energies of dimensions, or use Mind Gem level telepathy, he's not fighting to the best of his abilities.

Originally posted by Soljer
As we all know, forum battles are not comic battles.

Hell, Namor's outmaneuvered the Surfer before. PIS and the like exists.

And any time Strange doesn't stop time, call on the infinite energies of dimensions, or use Mind Gem level telepathy, he's not fighting to the best of his abilities.


Whatever feats your citing here doesn't mean Dr. Strange will be at that power level consistantly. Averages are what matters. You can't take a high end showings and use it as the normal operating power level.

By your reasoning, if Hulk isn't lifting a hundred and fifty billion tons, then he isn't operating at full abilities. That obviously isn't the case.

Originally posted by Evangel94
Whatever feats your citing here doesn't mean Dr. Strange will be at that power level consistantly. Averages are what matters. You can't take a high end showings and use it as the normal operating power level.

Actually, you can.

On the boards, characters are fighting to the best of their abilities.

Originally posted by Evangel94
Whatever feats your citing here doesn't mean Dr. Strange will be at that power level consistantly. Averages are what matters. You can't take a high end showings and use it as the normal operating power level.

By your odd reasoning, if Hulk isn't lifting a hundred and fifty billion tons, then he isn't operating at full abilities. That obviously isn't the case.

Meh, it's not the same.

One is a showing of hulk not using his full strength.

Strange not using his most powerful blasts is simply CIS, him not using his other powers is a case of SMvFL in which case Strange is Firelord, and his opponent is Spiderman.

Same way Firelord could have wiped the entire city off the map, but chose not to use those powers. Strange could stop time and mind rape damn near anyone, yet doesn't most of the time.

Originally posted by Soljer
As we all know, forum battles are not comic battles.

And any time Strange doesn't stop time, call on the infinite energies of dimensions, or use Mind Gem level telepathy, he's not fighting to the best of his abilities.

By that "logic" .... anytime Reed doesn't whip out the UN or some such plot device that could destroy the universe it's CIS?

Originally posted by Scoobless
By that "logic" .... anytime Reed doesn't whip out the UN or some such plot device that could destroy the universe it's CIS?

A) Does he have access to the Ultimate Nullifier? I thought Galactus had it.

B) Technically, yes. Reed not using anything at his disposal is just like Spiderman pulling his punches, which is just like Strange not using all of his abilities.

EDIT: Though, each of these examples could be viewed as CII, character induced intelligence. It might be for the plot, or to make the story more dramatic (as it often is), or it may be the character using a bit of moderation, and deciding not to over kill the threat.

On the boards, characters are fighting at levels they have been consistently shown at time and time again.

I do agree that certain comic instances are too outrageous to be accepted, but too many people throw around fan-made terms such as "CIS" and "PIS" around too much and use it to justify anything they don't agree with.

Reed is a genius... a supergenius... a compuglobalhypermega-genius... but two hours prep isn't nearly enough. He dies.

yeah I agree 2 hours prep isnt enough for reed but give em more time then it would be more interesting.

Originally posted by Evangel94
On the boards, characters are fighting at levels they have been consistently shown at time and time again.

I do agree that certain comic instances are too outrageous to be accepted, but too many people throw around fan-made terms such as "CIS" and "PIS" around too much and use it to justify anything they don't agree with.

"Bloodlust

It is assumed that each contestant will fight to his/her best ability, but still within the character's personality, unless specified otherwise. That means they will use any powers at their disposal. For example, even though The Flash doesn't clock each of his own opponents in the first picosecond in his own comic, it is assumed that is a viable tactic on this board since it is a proven fact that he possesses that level of speed.
It is also assumed that the characters fight at their optimum levels of ability - not explicitly weakened or unusually powered up for those who have variable power levels."

Just to clarify, there is a big difference between "best of one's abilities" and "highest showings."

That quote works for both arguments being presented

Originally posted by Accel
Just to clarify, there is a big difference between "best of one's abilities" and "highest showings."

True, but it still means that whenever Strange isn't using all the powers at his disposal, it's PIS, CIS, or SMvFL.

If he doesn't stop time? He isn't fighting to the best of his abilities. If he isn't using INSANELY strong telepathy, or absorbed power from eternity, he isn't fighting to the best of his abilities.

strange 1.0561 seconds

Originally posted by H. S. 6
"Bloodlust

It is assumed that each contestant will fight to his/her best ability, but still within the character's personality, unless specified otherwise. That means they will use any powers at their disposal. For example, even though The Flash doesn't clock each of his own opponents in the first picosecond in his own comic, it is assumed that is a viable tactic on this board since it is a proven fact that he possesses that level of speed.
It is also assumed that the characters fight at their optimum levels of ability - not explicitly weakened or unusually powered up for those who have variable power levels."



All that rule is saying is that we (the posters) are to consider certain high-end feats possible (like flash knocking a character out in a pico-second), but not always likely to happen.

That rule is there to remind us not to disregard plausible high-end feats.

What ever reed comes up with isn't going to stop Dr. Strange from Surprise attacking him from the astral plane, or turing him into a stretchy wart on sue's ass, or stopping reed in time forever. Just too many ways for strange to beat reed. Strange has an almost infinite amount of ways to use his magic. Reed can't come up with an infinite amount of contigency plans.

High end feats aside, 2 hours just isint enough time.
Assuming reed can prepair himself for someone of Dr. Strange calibur in 2 hours is comparable to some of the accusations made against strange in this thread.

Strange wins

Dude, Strange has officially been depowered. Marvel has straight up said so.
Anything in the last 10 years is current Strange, anything before that is classic Strange.

Current Strange is somewhere around Doom's power, Classic Strange was a god even amongst gods.

As for science vs Magic, it's the same thing to Strange. He's said they are the same a million times. He says that what you call magic is just evolved science.
Hell, Strange has called upon power FROM science. He created a black hole by using Stephen Hawking's name.

Classic Strange doesn't need prep, Current needs it badly and still might lose.

'strewth!

Classic Strange's high end feats are plentiful in his own comic, he's never shot, stabbed, beaten or even physically harmed in his own comic(without plot twists). In his own comics, his ONLY weakness is that he's human and can be taken out off guard. When you give him prep to make a shield, then he really has no weaknesses.

His feats contradict his low ends by so much that you really can't take those low ends seriously. If Superman takes a bullet and bleeds in some off-beat comic, do you really take that into account when he's pitted against another character? Of course not, because we know his power affords him the ability to be bulletproof. Same with Strange being shot or being punched by a random thug.