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I am under the impression that if a character dosen't have a good reception by comic fans, then their power for the most part, either stays stagnet, or that particular character is written poorly. (ex. Absorbing Man)

Now if a character becomes popular with fans, its seems like they are sometimes powered up to rediculous levels (ex. Wolverine).



Your thoughts?

i agree with that! its all about the benjamins marketing really if its a good seller they do what they must to keep it a good seller. Not particularly fair to other characters and their fans ie: absorbing man.

They don't always get powered up. Sometimes they just do ridiculous things. I would say... "fairly" dependent.

Originally posted by Swanky-Tuna
They don't always get powered up. Sometimes they just do ridiculous things. I would say... "fairly" dependent. Yeah, I mean its popularity that sells comics, but its just too bad thats all the comic industry goes on.

The more popular a character, the more appearances they have. The more appearances, the further a writer has to go to make them impressive.

Of course that's a generalisation, but it's what happens most of the time in superhero comics.

so sad, but true

Not always. Take Apocalypse, Cable, and other characters who've been reinvented. Apoc is one of the most popular characters, but he's vastly underutilized and underwritten, with lots of PIS losses.

Or, go the other route. Cable has been written as an 80s era he-man gun toting badass, and people loved him. Now he's turned into this super-powered messiah figure with a jesus complex, and lots of people hate him, myself among them. Or Squirrel Girl, who nobody likes, but owns the likes of Thanos, Dr. Doom, Mandarin, Modok, and of course, Deadpool in a recent issue of Cable&Deadpool.


I agree that some people like Logan get insane hype and power because they are popular. But let's all agree there is some inherent stupidity in Marvel's writing lately.



this Civil War thing could be so much better done, not to mention the lame attempt to link this schtick to Bush's presidency.......

Them's fighting words.

Originally posted by TricksterPriest
Now he's turned into this super-powered messiah figure with a jesus complex, and lots of people hate him, myself among them. Or Squirrel Girl, who nobody likes




stop using yourself to represent what the majority feel

It really depends on the writer, the company, etc.

Sometimes a character is written well simply because they are integral to the story line, even if no one likes them.

Even well loved characters don't get much if they aren't integral to the story.

Originally posted by Gregory
Them's fighting words.

yeah i dont get that! i didnt think she was really popular? but she has some ridiculous feats under her belt

Originally posted by invisiblewoman
yeah i dont get that! i didnt think she was really popular? but she has some ridiculous feats under her belt

more often then not, it's just cuz she's comic relief. As I said, it depends on the story, she's there to beat these guys because she's the last one you'd expect to do it, and it's often funny when she does.

Of course it's funny when she beats people. But she is hyper annoying and not a character you'd want as a regular.

And you mean to tell me you LIKE this version of Cable? He's preachy and holier than thou. I liked him better as the crazy gun with the big guns.

Originally posted by TricksterPriest
Of course it's funny when she beats people. But she is hyper annoying and not a character you'd want as a regular.

And you mean to tell me you LIKE this version of Cable? He's preachy and holier than thou. I liked him better as the crazy gun with the big guns. What I DON'T like about Cable is when people refer to him as "God-Like"....

He got in like 2 friggin shots on Surfer (that didn't cause any damage) and that makes him God-Like?

Originally posted by TricksterPriest
Of course it's funny when she beats people. But she is hyper annoying and not a character you'd want as a regular.

that's why she's only in certain specials.

Originally posted by Artemis1860
that's why she's only in certain specials.

yea i was trying be sarcastic, it didn't work i think she is total pis

Originally posted by Galan007
I am under the impression that if a character dosen't have a good reception by comic fans, then their power for the most part, either stays stagnet, or that particular character is written poorly. (ex. Absorbing Man)

Now if a character becomes popular with fans, its seems like they are sometimes powered up to rediculous levels (ex. Wolverine).



Your thoughts?

I dunno but I thought what they did with Absorbing Man in the Earth/Universe/Paradise X minis was pretty cool and he seemed pretty powerful.

I didn't like Cable in Jesus form but I liked him even less as the standard 80's-90's anti-hero. At least he had some good adventures with Deadpool.

And Apocalypse is popular? Says who? I can't stand him. He's one of the biggest failures of all time. It's bad enough that he hasn't accomplished anything but he's thousands of years old and has Celestial tech for cripes sake.

Come back when you define your powers and do slightly more than Doc Ock, who at least has the excuse of being a pudgy man with robot hentacles.

Originally posted by TricksterPriest
Of course it's funny when she beats people. But she is hyper annoying and not a character you'd want as a regular.

And you mean to tell me you LIKE this version of Cable? He's preachy and holier than thou. I liked him better as the crazy gun with the big guns.

squirrel girl is there to piss off comic fans who take things like power levels and vs scenarios way to seriously. that's why I love her
and I'd like to see her as a regular


also I'd rather have messiah cable then generic gun guy # 12234214234234

Originally posted by Darth Vicious
I dunno but I thought what they did with Absorbing Man in the Earth/Universe/Paradise X minis was pretty cool and he seemed pretty powerful. I agree, but IMO Absorbing Man, for the most part, is poorly written.

Originally posted by Black Adam
squirrel girl is there to piss off comic fans who take things like power levels and vs scenarios way to seriously. that's why I love her
and I'd like to see her as a regular


Her having an ongoing comic? could be interesting. rofl.

I really don't think popularity always equals power, but it may equal victory.

Originally posted by Galan007
I am under the impression that if a character dosen't have a good reception by comic fans, then their power for the most part, either stays stagnet, or that particular character is written poorly. (ex. Absorbing Man)

Now if a character becomes popular with fans, its seems like they are sometimes powered up to rediculous levels (ex. Wolverine).



Your thoughts?

Its always up to the writer

Originally posted by guy222
Its always up to the writer

yay, someone who agrees with me. lol.

I don't believe it has as much to do with fan popularity as much as others do. Absorbing Man not being written to his full potential is more likely due to the fact that A.) he's a villain and B.) he's a thug (aka stupid).

Wolverine just has the primary abilities to stab people and heal, both of which get the job done for him.

Originally posted by Accel
I don't believe it has as much to do with fan popularity as much as others do. Absorbing Man not being written to his full potential is more likely due to the fact that A.) he's a villain and B.) he's a thug (aka stupid).

Wolverine just has the primary abilities to stab people and heal, both of which get the job done for him. I'm always skeptical of AM being under written alot I mean was created by Loki and while Loki is quite powerful I find it hard to believe that AM can be any bigger a threat then the person that made him.

Anyways as to whether the stronger you are depnds on your popularity it can but not always. Of course someone said it best popularity equals more appearances equals more chances to get over the top feats that seem to make people stronger.

Wolverine is a good example because he has had many medicore feats but after so long a writer is going to give him a rediculous simply for the sake of doing something new and bigger.

"Fairly dependant" seems right. Most comic readers see a character as "How I'd LIKE to be" i.e Superman or "How I AM" i.e Spiderman.

Some people like uber powerful characters because they want to be uber themselves, some people like characters who have weak powers and or are underrated because they feel that way themselves.

It's rare to find a character that has a really stupid power, but still sells comics only because of the fact it is written well.

Originally posted by Newjak
I'm always skeptical of AM being under written alot I mean was created by Loki and while Loki is quite powerful I find it hard to believe that AM can be any bigger a threat then the person that made him.

Anyways as to whether the stronger you are depnds on your popularity it can but not always. Of course someone said it best popularity equals more appearances equals more chances to get over the top feats that seem to make people stronger.

Wolverine is a good example because he has had many medicore feats but after so long a writer is going to give him a rediculous simply for the sake of doing something new and bigger.
Loki didn't create him, he just set in motion his creation. Like, I can press a button that sets off a nuclear bomb, but that doesn't mean I'm as powerful as a nuclear bomb.

AM shouldn't have very much trouble ripping Loki apart unless he gets removed from the battlefield.

Originally posted by Artemis1860
yay, someone who agrees with me. lol.

Alright

Originally posted by Black Adam
squirrel girl is there to piss off comic fans who take things like power levels and vs scenarios way to seriously. that's why I love her
and I'd like to see her as a regular


also I'd rather have messiah cable then generic gun guy # 12234214234234

right on

wolverine part is not true. when looking at the fact classic wolverine has some of his best strength feats and dodging feats.

also one of his best hulk vs showings

along with feats such as vs tiger shark, namor, Ba'al and so on.

It is not the characters overall power that depends on popularity,it is just how they are depicted using it.Example many of the Xmen foes could just be killed Via Cyclopses(?) omniblast but since he is not as popular it will be shown as Collosus engaging them in fierce hand to hand combat,using uber strength and other abilities to their full potential.So its not their power thats affected,its how they are presented using it.

Originally posted by capt it up
wolverine part is not true. when looking at the fact classic wolverine has some of his best strength feats and dodging feats.

also one of his best hulk vs showings

along with feats such as vs tiger shark, namor, Ba'al and so on. His Namor feat was recent.
His nuke feat was recent. His head hanging by a thread, and getting healed was recent. His immortality was recent (I know you will argue, but it has only came out of the closet recently... It may have had some hints dropped, but it was never written)... etc, etc.

Guess what, also, after his fight with Hulk, he became so popular, that he got his own series (I may be wrong on a couple things, but bare with me). If it wasn't for popularity, Wolverine wouldn't be in almost every Marvel game, every Marvel event, every X-Men comic, and without those, he wouldn't have his super feats.

So how can you say, that it isn't true?

You can't. Everyone and their dog seems to worship Wolverine, so he's literally in everything. I was suprised he wasn't in Hulk: Ultimate Destruction, but he makes an appearance in Ultimate Spider-Man, and to serve what purpose but to sound cool?

Seriously, he's gotten so popular that you get morons all the time that are always saying omg teh clawz!

At least they've pulled him out of most of the X-Men books... there was a time where he was in all of them at the same time and his own series.

Whether a character becomes popular due to fanbase depends upon how editors/writers perceive the mentality of the fans... I'm going to make a generalisation and say that many people who like Wolverine do so because they think he's cool because he does "cool things", and that in turn forces writers to make him do "cool things" to appease fans, which attracts the type of fan that only likes a character for the "cool things" they do, which forces writers... and so on.

Everyone likes Wolverine. They may not want to admit it , but they do.

I hate the hairy little bastard and would like to strangle him with his own intestines.

But deep inside everyone thinks for a few seconds 'Wow , that was f*cking AWESOME'.

It's a fact of life , and a milder form of how people rope you into religion.

Originally posted by grey fox
Everyone likes Wolverine. They may not want to admit it , but they do.

I hate the hairy little bastard and would like to strangle him with his own intestines.

But deep inside everyone thinks for a few seconds 'Wow , that was f*cking AWESOME'.

It's a fact of life , and a milder form of how people rope you into religion.

I hate to admit but I think you're right. Its like everyones got a bit of Wolverine in them.

I don't understand how anyone could NOT like Wolverine. His writing may be ridiculous at times, but the character itself is awesome.

Originally posted by capt it up
wolverine part is not true. when looking at the fact classic wolverine has some of his best strength feats and dodging feats.

also one of his best hulk vs showings

along with feats such as vs tiger shark, namor, Ba'al and so on. I brought up Wolverine for 1 reason.

He has gone from having a good healing factor, to the point where now he can choose whether or not he lives or dies.
I'm sorry but IMO Wolvie not ever being able to die is based solely of fan popularity.

I don't dislike Wolvie, the idea of his character is great, but that is absolutley rediculous.

Originally posted by Dinalfos
I don't understand how anyone could NOT like Wolverine. His writing may be ridiculous at times, but the character itself is awesome. Quite true actually.

I've been saying it forever. Wolverine, as a character is AWESOME. He's the classic physically and emotionally scarred hero who tries to do good even when everything inside him says to do bad.

That character type has existed since people have made characters and it'll continue to thrive because it's near perfect.

Lots of William S.' writing are about that same character type.

Now, with that said, even the best laid out characters can be turned into shit if they aren't written well.