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Which weapon has the greatest power?

Originally posted by Entity
Which weapon has the greatest power?

what's nega bands quantum bands=mjolnir

Originally posted by guy222
what's nega bands quantum bands=mjolnir


Nega bands is Genisvell wrist power ups!

I still think Quantum bands are more powerful then mjolnir.

Originally posted by Soleran
Nega bands is Genisvell wrist power ups!

I still think Quantum bands are more powerful then mjolnir.

tell me why

Originally posted by guy222
tell me why


Ask me how.

You didn't even know about the nega bands!

I think the quantam bands are more versatile than mjolnir, but mjolnir still has more raw power.

Originally posted by Soleran
Ask me how.

You didn't even know about the nega bands!

change photonic energy
mjolnir blasts ineffective against celestials

I thought that the Nega bands were inferior copies of the Quantum Bands. In fact, didn't Quasar marvel at how Mar-vell managed to save the universe using the Nega Bands instead of having the Quantum bands?

Gensi-Vell got his psycho level powers from the Nega-Bands...

Originally posted by Entity
Which weapon has the greatest power?

The Nega Bands by far.

They grant Cosmic Awareness.
You gain spacial powers.
You can channel Antimatter, enough to endanger the entire universe.
All energy, is your to control. Down to individual photons.

Nega bands.

Nega-Bands are just little.

Originally posted by The Fake Macoy
I thought that the Nega bands were inferior copies of the Quantum Bands. In fact, didn't Quasar marvel at how Mar-vell managed to save the universe using the Nega Bands instead of having the Quantum bands? You are correct.
They are copies.
They are not top-shelf.
They are little.

The list of powers and abilities granted by Quantum Bands and Mjolnir put the nega-bands to shame.
Q-Bands and Mjolnir are created by an Abstract Entity and a Skyfather, or "the" Skyfather.

Nega-Bands are for "little heroes".

Originally posted by Horrificus
You are correct.
They are copies.
They are not top-shelf.
They are little.

The list of powers and abilities granted by Quantum Bands and Mjolnir put the nega-bands to shame.
Q-Bands and Mjolnir are created by an Abstract Entity and a Skyfather, or "the" Skyfather.

Nega-Bands are for "little heroes". And Wacky Genis is still more powerful than Q could ever dream of.

Ever. More powerful. Forever.

Originally posted by Branlor Swift
And Wacky Genis is still more powerful than Q could ever dream of.

Ever. More powerful. Forever. And now, I'm positive that I'm right!

Originally posted by Horrificus
And now, I'm positive that I'm right!
Because Genis is a thousand more times powerful than Q?

Originally posted by Branlor Swift
Because Genis is a thousand more times powerful than Q? Most of Genis' power was his own, after being brought back to life by Entropy. Meaning, most of THAT power is from Entropy. Not from the Nega Bands. Entropy, being the son of Eternity. And, it still doesn't say he was more powerful than Quasar, let alone a thousand times more powerful.
Although Genis was very powerful, it was not from the Nega Bands and the Thunderbolts were able to defeat him. Atlas also mortally wounded him.
Nega Bands were created by the Kree, trying to copy the Quantum Bands.
Quasar has the potential ability to control ALL positive energy in the universe, including energy controlled by other characters. And, that is the beginning. He also has access to other dimensions, Cosmic Awareness and the ability to create light shields that can be so strong, (when he wishes), they can easily handle the combined blows of Earth's mightiest characters, simultaneously.

When did Entropy bring Genis back to life?

When did Entropy give Genis any power?

Originally posted by Mindset
When did Entropy give Genis any power? That. Plus, he killed Rick and brought him back to life iirc.

Also, did you say it didn't give him any power over Q?

The guy destroyed the universe with Entropy, was able to briefly match King Thor, and wiped out two giants easily that would have caused problems for King Thor's Asgard. Among others.
Hell, they even had a conversation about whether Genis was God or not.

The origins are entirely irrelevant, but Genis is more powerful than Mar-Vell naturally due to his mother. Although I'm sure you have scans that state Entropy powered up Genis, so there's probably that...

Only thing Entropy did was make Genis go crazy.

Originally posted by Mindset
Only thing Entropy did was make Genis go crazy. You'll be sorry you dealt in absolutes when Horr comes back with scans.

Are you a Sith or something?

Genis had power to absorb and use cosmic energy, as part of his own personal power-profile. He also had the Nega Bands and, as his story progressed, he had some of the Destiny Force, thanks to Rick.

But, he had nowhere near the personal power it took to do all those major feats, including killing Eternity. He had problems with Surfer-level beings and Zemo. After throwing in with Entropy, he was at a new level and even then, he was only able to kill Eternity, because Eternity wanted to die.

When they recreated the Universe/Multiverse, it was a combined effort of Genis, Entropy, Epiphany and Rick Jones with the Destiny Force.

He killed himself after he went insane. Then, Entropy brought him back.

Genis Driven to Suicide by Entropy.
http://i138.photobucket.com/albums/q253/ArealSTUPIguy/th_GenisSuicide.png

Entropy Resurrects Genis as part of his plan to kill Eternity.
http://i138.photobucket.com/albums/q253/ArealSTUPIguy/th_AfterEntropyRessurrectGenis.png

Genis adds himself to get some credit for destroying Eternity, but the truth is, that is ridiculous!

Entropy- Deciding to recreate the universe: "if it is not to my liking, I can always destroy it again".
http://i138.photobucket.com/albums/q253/ArealSTUPIguy/th_EntropyCanDestroyAgain.jpg

Entropy Destroyed the Father. Entropy is his own alpha and omega, beginning and end. Genis doesn't try to insert himself here.
http://i138.photobucket.com/albums/q253/ArealSTUPIguy/th_EntropyDestroyedTheFather.jpg

Eternity only died because he wanted to.
http://i138.photobucket.com/albums/q253/ArealSTUPIguy/th_EternityDidntWantLive.png


When he was not working for Entropy, he was much weaker.
Genis had been beaten by Surfer, Ronan and Zemo and almost killed by Atlas.

As powerful as he became, the Nega Bands never really did much for him. At least in terms of elevating him as high as he had gone in power-level. He had other stuff at his disposal.

He tried to kill himself but he was unable to die. Entropy didn't bring Genis back to life.

Entropy needed Genis, that was the whole point of driving him insane.

Also, Photon Genis was just as strong or stronger than when he was insane. He was no longer working with Entropy...he never worked for Entropy.

Greatest power?

Offhand:

quasar used his bands to reverse the black hole created by maelstrom to destroy the entire universe. Holding back the combined attack of the avengers and the infinity watch.

Thor: used it to return glory's attack back on him. Channelling godforce. Getting hits on celestials.

Marvel: nothing on panel comes to mind.

I read the comic again, you were right, Entropy brought him back.

I stand by the rest of my post though.

Originally posted by Mindset
I read the comic again, you were right, Entropy brought him back.

I stand by the rest of my post though. No problem. There are a lot of vague comments made in his story. Not a lot of definite statements. Lots of hands in the pie.
Not an easy situation to argue.

hammer, Qbands and then Nega bands

Originally posted by Horrificus
Genis had power to absorb and use cosmic energy, as part of his own personal power-profile. He also had the Nega Bands and, as his story progressed, he had some of the Destiny Force, thanks to Rick.

But, he had nowhere near the personal power it took to do all those major feats, including killing Eternity. He had problems with Surfer-level beings and Zemo. After throwing in with Entropy, he was at a new level and even then, he was only able to kill Eternity, because Eternity wanted to die.

When they recreated the Universe/Multiverse, it was a combined effort of Genis, Entropy, Epiphany and Rick Jones with the Destiny Force.

He killed himself after he went insane. Then, Entropy brought him back.

Genis Driven to Suicide by Entropy.
http://i138.photobucket.com/albums/q253/ArealSTUPIguy/th_GenisSuicide.png

Entropy Resurrects Genis as part of his plan to kill Eternity.
http://i138.photobucket.com/albums/q253/ArealSTUPIguy/th_AfterEntropyRessurrectGenis.png

Genis adds himself to get some credit for destroying Eternity, but the truth is, that is ridiculous!

Entropy- Deciding to recreate the universe: "if it is not to my liking, I can always destroy it again".
http://i138.photobucket.com/albums/q253/ArealSTUPIguy/th_EntropyCanDestroyAgain.jpg

Entropy Destroyed the Father. Entropy is his own alpha and omega, beginning and end. Genis doesn't try to insert himself here.
http://i138.photobucket.com/albums/q253/ArealSTUPIguy/th_EntropyDestroyedTheFather.jpg

Eternity only died because he wanted to.
http://i138.photobucket.com/albums/q253/ArealSTUPIguy/th_EternityDidntWantLive.png


When he was not working for Entropy, he was much weaker.
Genis had been beaten by Surfer, Ronan and Zemo and almost killed by Atlas.

As powerful as he became, the Nega Bands never really did much for him. At least in terms of elevating him as high as he had gone in power-level. He had other stuff at his disposal. Prove Genis was tapping into the Destiny Force.

He seemed more powerful when he was actually insane, as opposed to Photon, I'll admit. But again, he was insane and didn't give a shit. And that applies to things farther than the Entropy scandal.
Plus Photon was written with CIS intact. Iirc he let Atlas beat the shit out of him, as well as Zemo to some extent.

It wasn't a combined effort of Rick and Epiphany. Sure they talked him into it, but they didn't accomplish much beyond that.
When they recreated the universe, it was a combination of Genis blowing off Entropy's head and Entropy creating a big bang because of it.


Genis still manages to crush Eternity. Wanting to die doesn't turn Eternity into paper. It's not like Wolverine could kill Eternity just because he wanted to die... I hope...

Mar-Vell tells Genis he's not dead, he's just a ghost. And Rick says he's beyond the need for a physical body.
http://i47.tinypic.com/28wnps3.jpg

Entropy just came to him and talked to him about some shit. Not really ressurected him, and there's no indication anywhere that he gave him power.

The Surfer and Ronan came before he went insane, and started thinking like he was a God. The other two have context behind them, much like the Eternity scene.
And Marvel stopped "working for" Entropy the moment they created the universe.

Still Mjolnir, despite Thor having his worst year-years

Originally posted by Branlor Swift
Prove Genis was tapping into the Destiny Force.

He seemed more powerful when he was actually insane, as opposed to Photon, I'll admit. But again, he was insane and didn't give a shit. And that applies to things farther than the Entropy scandal.Honestly, I'm not really into the whole Genis thing. I originally, just wanted to prove the power of the Q bands.
You might be right about some of this stuff, I don't know. I'm just posting what I think and what I see and read.

Saying that the power increase that showed up AFTER he is brought back to life by Entropy and becomes Entropy's boy, has nothing to do with the SON of ETERNITY, doesn't seem like a logical view to me.

He was one thing before resurrection and then was something different after. That's what I saw.

Not sure if this was the case with Atlas, I don't remember. I do NOT think it was the case with Zemo. He flat out beat him down.

If Rick was still a part of Genis, then he still had access to the Destiny Force. On top of that, Entropy wanted it to happen. It was his decision. And, really, all it means is that Entropy/Eternity dispersed and became creation again.


Genis, with the power of Entropy and the Destiny force added to his own. But, I'm not sure how to prove how difficult or easy it was to do.

Entropy came to him and suddenly he was alive. Entropy drove Genis crazy, until he committed suicide. Then, he tells Genis it was part of his plan and asks Genis to join him. Suddenly, Genis is back and more powerful than ever.
It's hard for me to see this any other way than I see it. I don't know what to say.

Well, when I get a chance, I will check it out again. Maybe you are right. He isn't a favorite of mine, so I haven't read the story more than once.

Originally posted by Horrificus
Honestly, I'm not really into the whole Genis thing. I originally, just wanted to prove the power of the Q bands.
You might be right about some of this stuff, I don't know. I'm just posting what I think and what I see and read. Cool cool, my first two posts were a joke anyway.

Originally posted by Horrificus
Saying that the power increase that showed up AFTER he is brought back to life by Entropy and becomes Entropy's boy, has nothing to do with the SON of ETERNITY, doesn't seem like a logical view to me. You gotta remember that this happened after a whole ****ton of experience and him going crazy with the power at his disposal. Or it was just the writer writing him up. Either or.

You can assume and all that, but it was never stated.

Originally posted by Horrificus
He was one thing before resurrection and then was something different after. That's what I saw. He was God damned crazy is what he was.

Originally posted by Horrificus
Not sure if this was the case with Atlas, I don't remember. I do NOT think it was the case with Zemo. He flat out beat him down. Oh wait, Purple Man "turned off" his cosmic awareness and Atlas attacked him from behind. And Zemo played a bunch of mindgames with him, and then held him in a moment of time, after barely holding out against him.
No shame in the Zemo one though. Anyone who can tear someone apart, trap those parts in time, and scatter those in the dark dimension is pretty beastly.

But again, this was during his Photon phase when he was a little more laid back. It's hard to see either of these characters do this to Genis when he was in full on crazy phase. I mean the guy was able to hurt King Thor and mollywhop two dangerous giants even after the Entropy fiasco. Thor was even giving into demands and Genis straight up killed it with one shot. And he pretty much toyed with everyone else. Even two Genis'


Originally posted by Horrificus
If Rick was still a part of Genis, then he still had access to the Destiny Force. On top of that, Entropy wanted it to happen. It was his decision. And, really, all it means is that Entropy/Eternity dispersed and became creation again. That doesn't mean Genis had access to it.

Yes he wanted it, he didn't know how though. Genis pulled a pistol out of nowhere and blasted him in the head.

It didn't accomplish much beyond a big bang, but it's still pretty impressive that he managed to do anything at all.


Originally posted by Horrificus
Genis, with the power of Entropy and the Destiny force added to his own. But, I'm not sure how to prove how difficult or easy it was to do. Rick was actively fighting Genis and Genis called it "slowing him down", so he's out.

The Entropy power is an assumption.

It apparently wasn't hard at all since Eternity wasn't fighting back. But like I said, that wouldn't have made him something that a Wolverine or Hulk could have killed.
http://i48.tinypic.com/2uf9ctd.jpg

Originally posted by Horrificus
Entropy came to him and suddenly he was alive. Entropy drove Genis crazy, until he committed suicide. Then, he tells Genis it was part of his plan and asks Genis to join him. Suddenly, Genis is back and more powerful than ever.
It's hard for me to see this any other way than I see it. I don't know what to say.

Well, when I get a chance, I will check it out again. Maybe you are right. He isn't a favorite of mine, so I haven't read the story more than once. Mar-Vell told him he wasn't dead. He was a "ghost". That and Rick saying he was beyond a physical body leads me to believe he wasn't brought back by anything other than himself.
http://i47.tinypic.com/15nx1kk.jpg

Entropy just walked him around and got him on his side so he'd help him with Eternity. And yes, drove him insane.

Meh. It was just never stated he was powered up.
Plus he's got shit like this:
Originally posted by "Id"
New Thunderbolts #18
Destroys the Universe (again) in every possible future timeline.
http://i227.photobucket.com/albums/dd202/Genis101/Genis/Photon/18-DestroysUniverseagain1.jpg
http://i227.photobucket.com/albums/dd202/Genis101/Genis/Photon/18-DestroysUniverseagain2.jpg
http://i227.photobucket.com/albums/dd202/Genis101/Genis/Photon/18-DestroysUniverseagain3.jpg
http://i227.photobucket.com/albums/dd202/Genis101/Genis/Photon/18-DestroysUniverseagain4.jpg
http://i227.photobucket.com/albums/dd202/Genis101/Genis/Photon/18-DestroysUniverseagain5.jpg

Admittedly Zemo explains this, but it's still pretty impressive.
http://i227.photobucket.com/albums/dd202/Genis101/Genis/Photon/19100-vsZemo7.jpg
http://i227.photobucket.com/albums/dd202/Genis101/Genis/Photon/19100-vsZemo8.jpg

I just think Genis is a solid step beyond Quasar based on the evidence. Most of that would be his Nega Bands.
While he has some retarded feats all abstracty and the like, based on other showings I wouldn't put him there. I'd say a solid trans to skyfather range with feats way beyond them.

Originally posted by Branlor Swift
Cool cool, my first two posts were a joke anyway.

You gotta remember that this happened after a whole ****ton of experience and him going crazy with the power at his disposal. Or it was just the writer writing him up. Either or.

You can assume and all that, but it was never stated.

He was God damned crazy is what he was.

Oh wait, Purple Man "turned off" his cosmic awareness and Atlas attacked him from behind. And Zemo played a bunch of mindgames with him, and then held him in a moment of time, after barely holding out against him.
No shame in the Zemo one though. Anyone who can tear someone apart, trap those parts in time, and scatter those in the dark dimension is pretty beastly.

But again, this was during his Photon phase when he was a little more laid back. It's hard to see either of these characters do this to Genis when he was in full on crazy phase. I mean the guy was able to hurt King Thor and mollywhop two dangerous giants even after the Entropy fiasco. Thor was even giving into demands and Genis straight up killed it with one shot. And he pretty much toyed with everyone else. Even two Genis'


That doesn't mean Genis had access to it.

Yes he wanted it, he didn't know how though. Genis pulled a pistol out of nowhere and blasted him in the head.

It didn't accomplish much beyond a big bang, but it's still pretty impressive that he managed to do anything at all.


Rick was actively fighting Genis and Genis called it "slowing him down", so he's out.

The Entropy power is an assumption.

It apparently wasn't hard at all since Eternity wasn't fighting back. But like I said, that wouldn't have made him something that a Wolverine or Hulk could have killed.
http://i48.tinypic.com/2uf9ctd.jpg

Mar-Vell told him he wasn't dead. He was a "ghost". That and Rick saying he was beyond a physical body leads me to believe he wasn't brought back by anything other than himself.
http://i47.tinypic.com/15nx1kk.jpg

Entropy just walked him around and got him on his side so he'd help him with Eternity. And yes, drove him insane.

Meh. It was just never stated he was powered up.
Plus he's got shit like this:


Admittedly Zemo explains this, but it's still pretty impressive.
http://i227.photobucket.com/albums/dd202/Genis101/Genis/Photon/19100-vsZemo7.jpg
http://i227.photobucket.com/albums/dd202/Genis101/Genis/Photon/19100-vsZemo8.jpg

I just think Genis is a solid step beyond Quasar based on the evidence. Most of that would be his Nega Bands.
While he has some retarded feats all abstracty and the like, based on other showings I wouldn't put him there. I'd say a solid trans to skyfather range with feats way beyond them. Well, you definitely know Genis story better than I do. And, I can't find anything in the books that separates which powers allowed him to do what and where it was coming from.

So, for now, I can only stand by what I posted and also the history of the Nega Bands never being anywhere near as powerful as what Genis or Quasar have shown. They would have needed an upgrade.

But, yeah, Genis was up there.

according to wendell vaughn, you're right, as he has said that their power is so great, "they could make the very universe tremble".........







Originally posted by Soleran
Nega bands is Genisvell wrist power ups!

I still think Quantum bands are more powerful then mjolnir.






Originally posted by Soleran
Nega bands is Genisvell wrist power ups!

I still think Quantum bands are more powerful then mjolnir.