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Good luck guys.

Originally posted by DarkCrawler
Good luck to everyone.

Originally posted by juggernaut66666
Good luck guys.

much appreciated guys...

Good luck all...

Could u all wait..I have Scchool...

Originally posted by trolly_crouchjr
Could u all wait..I have Scchool...

Wrong battle.

Edit: Sorry wrong thread
Anyways nice strategies so far, if people start debating some more I may actually vote in the poll one way or another.

I am voting for PR and Rewmizzle.

The reasons being, that i felt like Roldz and Arana did a good job during the prep but not good enough. The fact that they built a staff for union was a genius act, but so was the fact that GL charged supes up for the entire prep time. Without the charge i might have been willing to give Roldz and Arana the victory for that fight, but a charged up Superman just operates tooo fast.

GL and Surfer is a battle that will always be debated over and over, and will normally end in a draw.

The deciding factor was that Vulcan would manipulate Superman Blue. Vulcan has proven to be a top notch energy manipulator, and if superman blue has one weakness, it would be that he is basically sentient energy.

*un-officail* post

we have 10 posts to either agree for, or disect the other persons post right?

Yep.

Originally posted by King KAM
I am voting for PR and Rewmizzle.

The reasons being, that i felt like Roldz and Arana did a good job during the prep but not good enough. The fact that they built a staff for union was a genius act, but so was the fact that GL charged supes up for the entire prep time. Without the charge i might have been willing to give Roldz and Arana the victory for that fight, but a charged up Superman just operates tooo fast.

GL and Surfer is a battle that will always be debated over and over, and will normally end in a draw.

The deciding factor was that Vulcan would manipulate Superman Blue. Vulcan has proven to be a top notch energy manipulator, and if superman blue has one weakness, it would be that he is basically sentient energy.

Kam, this is NOT Evangel's tourney. Please keep posts like these out of this match. That's the reason there's a poll at the top. Discuss w/e you want in the DISCUSSION thread.

Thanks.

Galactus perception of energies >>>> Hal/Vulcan/Supes, yet his been fooled by Surfers holographic images. That being said, it should give our team the necessary time to commence our battle plan and engage our given targets..

Silver Surfer :
While Vulcans is occupied with his holographic opponent it being BSupes. Surfer makes a few board charged with cosmic energies, well call it board bombs for now and hurled it toward's Vulcan at near light speed.. Now Vulcans energy manipulation is quite formidable but unfortunately he does not have the kind of fast thinking and reflexes to avoid or erect a forcefield for this type of attack.. This kind of speed, a nearly undestructable material w/ enough energies to level a city would equal the total annihilation of Vulcan.. As soon as his beaten Surfer/Union tag teames Superman..
http://img208.imageshack.us/my.php?image=scan00011ng.jpg
This shows how Surfer can make an extra board quite easily and fast..
http://new.photos.yahoo.com/rroldz/album/576460762371500212/photo/294928803989677463/27
http://new.photos.yahoo.com/rroldz/album/576460762371500212/photo/294928803989676908/26
Charge his board like a bomb and hurled it toward a city level construct..

Union:
With Unions k-rad armor and a specialized staff that can pass Supe's
bio-field he should be a matched for even a sundiped Supe's. No matter how much his charged, Supe's still not immune to K-rad specially if that radiation can be increased using Unions justice stone energy focused in that armor, the same way Capt. Atom increased the rad level of the k-ring to take out Supes..
The Specialized staff that Union wields should take care of the rest since it can bypass Supes bio-field, greatly reducing his durability.. No one knows more about this bio-field than Supe's himself and since his in my team we know all about it and w/ the individual versatility of my team, we where capable of constructing one that can bypass it..
With the K-nite armor and specialzed staff it is within his reach to defeat a Sundipped Superman..
http://img283.imageshack.us/my.php?image=supermanbatman008p00067ol.jpg
Unions quite capable of similar feats..
http://img181.imageshack.us/my.php?image=union405um8.jpg
http://img181.imageshack.us/my.php?image=union414nw2.jpg
Here's slagging w/magestic H2h


Originally posted by King KAM
I am voting for PR and Rewmizzle.

Without the charge i might have been willing to give Roldz and Arana the victory for that fight, but a charged up Superman just operates tooo fast.

The deciding factor was that Vulcan would manipulate Superman Blue. Vulcan has proven to be a top notch energy manipulator, and if superman blue has one weakness, it would be that he is basically sentient energy.
It really doesnt matter in how fast Sundipped Superman operate since there's a cap on speed and it is within Union range of reflex the cap is..
I see Union having a bigger advantage against this fight 1st the armor k-rad that union wears, he can also increase the rad level of this armor greatly slowing/decreasing Supermans speed/strength, 2nd the specialized bio-field staff that bypasses Supes bio-field greatly decreasing his durability..

Vulcans is not going up against SBlue but rather SS.. His not winning against him..

Originally posted by batdude123
Kam, this is NOT Evangel's tourney. Please keep posts like these out of this match. That's the reason there's a poll at the top. Discuss w/e you want in the DISCUSSION thread.

Thanks. well goddamn, dont gotta get your panties in a bunch. how and the hell was i supposed to know??? shit.....

Originally posted by Roldz
Galactus perception of energies >>>> Hal/Vulcan/Supes, yet his been fooled by Surfers holographic images. That being said, it should give our team the necessary time to commence our battle plan and engage our given targets..


No, it won't... not one person on our team will be fooled by holograms... Vulcan can detect and manipulate all forms of energy... hell, he could probably change the holograms into images of OUR team, and send them back at your guys...

Superman? come on... the guy can see in pretty much every spectrum, and his combat reactions are on par with almost any of the top tier guys in comics...





when you sent surfer after Vulcan, you also, in my opinion, confirmed one of our most basic ideas, that Vulcan would SLAUGHTER superman blue one on one... maybe you should ask rewmac what he thinks of surfer getting past Hal to get to Vulcan...

and in case people are wondering why I'm so convinced that superman blue will be wiped out by Vulcan, well i have just a couple of scans, showing another energy manipulator, making superman blue, to coin a phrase, 'his b*tch'. i honestly don't see why Vulcan couldn't do the same thing...

http://i78.photobucket.com/albums/j105/Rewmac/Scans/ForDaTourney/Week25-1997-Action-734-14.jpg
http://i78.photobucket.com/albums/j105/Rewmac/Scans/ForDaTourney/Week25-1997-Action-734-15.jpg




I'm sorry, but seriously, you seem to be awfully confident that in twenty minutes of prep superman blue will be able to just create a way to bypass current superman's bio aura... and given that the last time superman blue was around was 1997, i really don't believe he'll be able to do it... superman has changed over the last nine years, who knows what changes his aura has undergone?




and how many times has atom succeeded?

and this is still, despite the fact that superman has a big green shield around him, specifically tailored to stop kryptonite?





still on the subject of supes bio field, i think believing you can penetrate it so easily is a massive leap of faith, and even with k-armour, whats to stop Vulcan (after dealing with superman blue, I'm sure he'll have a minute to spare) from just sucking in that radiation, manipulating it and sending it back to superman in the form of yellow sun radiation? and kryptonite armour is still vulnerable, whether its composed of pure energy or not... if its energy, Vulcan can remove/manipulate it, and if its physical? well, a quick blast of high level heat vision wouldn't go amiss...





supes has dealt with kryptonite wielding enemies for years, i really don't see how union, even with all his power, is going to be that different... and the bio field thing, again, is a bit hit and miss imo...





i disagree...

Here is what Hal Jordan gotta say :

Surfer won't get to Vulcan.
Until Hal is on the team and he is making Surfer busy it won't happen since the ring is on auto-fire/auto-protect.
Meaning the ring will realise it's only holograms and will find the real one as soon as Hal learns it a hologram.
At let Vulcan take care of the holograms.
GL only needs to think about it.
Like here the ring showed The Shark to Hal Jordan. Who was invisible.

http://i78.photobucket.com/albums/j105/Rewmac/Scans/ForDaTourney/GreenLantern028-07.jpg

I think Hal could smash right into surfer in an Emerald Armor and kind of push their fight
away from the other two.

He should be able to shield himself from blasts or attacks and counter it
with a massive blast like here :

http://i78.photobucket.com/albums/j105/Rewmac/Scans/ForDaTourney/GreenLantern199450pg_07.jpg

http://i78.photobucket.com/albums/j105/Rewmac/Scans/ForDaTourney/GreenLantern199450pg_08.jpg

And then he could go with a big blow like he did here:

http://i78.photobucket.com/albums/j105/Rewmac/Scans/ForDaTourney/GreenLanternv2046p16.jpg

http://i78.photobucket.com/albums/j105/Rewmac/Scans/ForDaTourney/GreenLanternv2046p17.jpg


To make the Surfer's job harder Hal could create a huge emerald knight to help him...
Like here:

http://i78.photobucket.com/albums/j105/Rewmac/Scans/ForDaTourney/GLLegacy_pg007.jpg

Also note : Kryptonite won't work on Superman since Green Lantern already shielded him against
the radiation of the green meteorite...

Question about this Kryptonite Armour.

Is it metal armour giving off K-nite radiation , or literal Kryptonite ?

Because if literal Kryptonite then this... Originally posted by pr1983
a quick blast of high level heat vision wouldn't go amiss...


....May break the rules.

As far as i can recall the only feat, Vulcan has displayed so far are shunting/draining off energies, deflection, forcefield and this..

http://img181.imageshack.us/my.php?image=vulcansearchgw7.jpg
searching of ships by sensing powercells, see how he has to concentrate to track down there energy powercells, unlike the way Surfer/BSupes CA/Spectral version... Given more experience he should be able to detect exotic energies but right now im not convince... He gets fooled, even for just a slight and its all Surfer needs..

Superman vision only covers x-ray, microscopic, telescopic, and infrared.. In no means he can see highly more exotic energies.. I guess he could use super hearing but then i again he knows nothing about this opponent, not knowing if he fallows normal human phisiology..

No theres a reason why we've sent SBlue against Hal himself, but Nino is going to cover that..

Yes, im quite confident of it for the very reason that Surfer is there assisting w/ Sblue.. Surfer is capable of converting most or all forms of energy to anything he so choose and w/ BSupes knowlege shared, it is quite possible. Also it help that this 2 are scientest themselves..

http://img283.imageshack.us/my.php?image=supermanbatman008p00067ol.jpg
He succeeded in here scan, and from what i recall its from last years batman/Superman issues..

Regarding Supeman shield cast by Hal, it dont really matter since whether BSupes/Surfer meets Hal both is capable of feats below, they shared info via prep time..

Hal's rings quite a few time been shown to be weak against electromagnetic...

The diff. w/ Union is that he is capable of increasing the radiation level of kyptonite, Supes never faced someone like that w/ the exception of Captain Atom and in that match he went down quite easy..

Thats the point! you guys being occupied even slightly; Vulcan trying to make sense of the situation, Hal firing against the hologram, it buy's as a little time to formulate our battle plan..

That is totally a diff. scenario, 1st off Hal knows where sharks power is derived from it being the yellow impurity, the power rings weakness at that time.. None of those is present in these match up; no yellow impurity the power ring can manipulate to Hals advantage..

http://pictures.greatestjournal.com/userimg/5866457/536647
Surfer is more than capable of this feat..
Originally posted by grey fox
Question about this Kryptonite Armour.
Is it metal armour giving off K-nite radiation , or literal Kryptonite ?
Because if literal Kryptonite then this...
....May break the rules.
There is no metal its just K-rads wrap in stasis field..
Here's Unions VS Madness Supreme w/ Thors hammer
http://img181.imageshack.us/my.php?image=unionvsmsupreme0ny6.jpg
http://img181.imageshack.us/my.php?image=unionvsmsupremegd2.jpg
This is what would happen if Supes fires heat vision to Union
http://img181.imageshack.us/my.php?image=unionvssupremeum9.jpg
Surviving blows against madness Supreme w/ Thors hammer, he should be able to take hit's from Superman Sundipped even without an armor..

I removed stuff about Blue again from Roldz' post. Some of it is referring to Surfer doing similar things as Blue, so it's tricky, but at least some of it was directly realted to Blue, which isn't allowed.

...so I tried to make sure everything stayed unless it was directly abotu Blue.

Sorry again Rolzy, but you keep walking the line and just crossing a bit too far.

After the first few attacks SS makes about 3-4 more holograms making it diff. for Hal to scan and Vulcan to tell the diffrence...

and in defense of Bsupes it wouldn't be that easy for someone to manipulate his energy...
http://img141.imageshack.us/my.php?image=actioncomics739p135ur.jpg
http://img141.imageshack.us/my.php?image=actioncomics739p161wp.jpg

and he can just pull a kittie as soon as the match starts:
http://img181.imageshack.us/my.php?image=vulcanphasefy4.jpg

because it IS in his ability to do so:
http://img158.imageshack.us/my.php?image=actioncomics740p148eh.jpg

http://img127.imageshack.us/my.php?image=actioncomics744p208kj.jpg

yes, that's superman red but they have the same powerset as each other

and he IS fast enough to tackle Vulcan and take him out:

http://img155.imageshack.us/my.php?image=superman135p20wl8.jpg

Flash not seeing you=fast

You guys are going to have to do more than post a few scans if you want to win this match.

As I said holograms won't really work. Since the ring would detect it isn't real. You guys are coming again and again with holograms. Hal could counter holograms alond he could just make make green raiders with armor and weapon to aid him. Hal isn't the type of guy to shoot on holograms and again the ring is opn auto-fire holograms won't fool the ring itself which reacts to protect and counter attack on it's self now since Hal wanted it to do it.

Even if Surfer is coming with Power Cosmic blast Green Lantern can make a shield against these blast.

Surfer's energy skills are respectable and the holograms you seems to trust in most are also good...
But you know the Power Ring works on will power. Hal is one of the strongest in the universe with the willpower. So it only takes him to really want to counter a move.We saw Surfer is good on taking energy shots but he cannot really take a big beating and Hal can (in my oppinion he can) put Surfer in a box while he is fighting the big creature I mentioned and showed in my last post.

This is possible since you wanted Surfer to get Vulcan. Surfer is stopped by a big emerald monster. He starts to fight that thing (what else can he do) Hal just shoots out a beam and put Surfer and a box and just make the box smaller and smaller and giving him regular beating inside by power made fists,axes,hammers and blasts. If Surfer tries to phase through it or drain it's energy Hal could just stop it and recreate it in less then a second or shoot beams at him.

Also note : Hal's ring works on yellow now.

For a little proof if you don't believe what I'm saying...

About how strong Hal's will is : http://i78.photobucket.com/albums/j105/Rewmac/Green_Lantern_-_Rebirth_06_2005_Tea.jpg



/As for BSupes I'd leave that to Pr since he has to deal with a 100% Pure Energy character with an energy manipulator not me. /

Well i quess ill post again; Just to clarify things i said on previous post, most of this are probably repeat but what the hell this just my 2nd post..

Since Vulcan need requires to concentrate in order to detect energies, it would take him sometime to figure out those hundreds of holograms..
http://img181.imageshack.us/my.php?image=vulcansearchgw7.jpg
Ive yet to see Superman detect exotic energies so i presume he cant unless proven wrong and theres hundred of em..
Hal could but since there are a alot of em to scan thanks to BSupes/Surfer it would still take time to find the real onces and Surfers holographic projection has fooled Galactus himself a being whose capable off perceiving all..

So what Nino's plan of attack would'nt be happening because Surfers already taken out Vulcan..

Silver Surfer
From afar Surfer blitzes those boardbombs at near light speed toward the preoccupied Vulcan looking for my team against a the holograms.

http://img208.imageshack.us/my.php?image=scan00011ng.jpg
http://new.photos.yahoo.com/rroldz/album/576460762371500212/photo/294928803989677463/27
http://new.photos.yahoo.com/rroldz/album/576460762371500212/photo/294928803989676908/26
Shows how fast Surfer can make a new board and charges em w/ PC..

Vulcan human reflex does not allow him to counter such an attack, his fast but not that fast..

http://img181.imageshack.us/my.php?image=vulcanphasefy4.jpg
http://img511.imageshack.us/my.php?image=3th1.jpg
Here's ones of Vulcans weakness, and in that scan with shadowcat his got his forcefield on and she managed to still pass through him..

http://photobucket.com/albums/b305/surfistaprateado/Silver_Surfer_1996_123_10.jpg
His Surfers ability to phase, Surfer should be more than capable of phasing those board bombs with explosive results inside Vulcan and his out of the fight..

If in someway Hal finds the real surfer and goes after him, his as easy capable of this BSupes feat through there TP link in there prep time...
And let BSupes handles him..
http://pictures.greatestjournal.com/userimg/5866457/536647

Surfer helps assist his other team after beating Vulcan, quite rather fast if i might add...

Union:
Union takes the fight to Superman, his K-rad armor and bio-field staff would be of a great advantage against Supes..

Unions can as easyly increased the radiation level of that armor to much higher degree weakening Superman..

http://img283.imageshack.us/my.php?image=supermanbatman008p00067ol.jpg
similar to this feat, pulled by captain atom..

With his bio-staff, that would pass through Superman bio-field his near quite capable of taking him out.. Now we are quite sure that this bio-field staff made during our prep works for reason of BSupes knowledge of it w/ help from Surfers ability of energy conversions this can be done.. Ive never heared changed or mutated to diff. forms as far as i can tell its always been desame since before the conception of SBlue..

Regarding the armor see SBlue fight against Hal..

Supes Heat vision can be deflected back by Unions armor or Staff..

http://img181.imageshack.us/my.php?image=unionvsmsupreme0ny6.jpg
http://img181.imageshack.us/my.php?image=unionvsmsupremegd2.jpg
Like this..

You just said you where going to autofire in our holograms on your battle plan and 2ndpost, still the rings detection capabilities is not that fast, remember when he was scanning for how many manhunters in there world, it took some time for the ring to respond..

Anyhow all we need to fool is Vulcan even slight and ive proven it above post.. We take im out and the rest goes down..


No doubt Hals will is great but it helps him little when our team is capable of this attack.. And him unable to properly focus and making those construct useless..
http://pictures.greatestjournal.com/userimg/5866457/536647


See above scan.. We all know GL have auto shielding but that feat worked on Kyle meaning it went through his autoshielding + we all know Kyles ring is far more powerfull than Hal himself.. So all these Hal made construct is useless..

It really dont matter if the rings has no weakness of yellow impurity or not cause right now its not in our plan..

Scan doesn't work. Hal doesn't have to scan the hole world just an area about maximum 1 kilometers.

The ring is stupid it won't fire at holograms...

Parallax's inflounce in Ganthet's body was unable to put Hal's will down.

The constructs are only useful if Hal's if the Power Ring power is overcomed. Now as far as I'm concerned Hal is able to attack from multiple sides and able to attack multiple enemies.

http://i78.photobucket.com/albums/j105/Rewmac/1.jpg

Also why would the constructs would be totally useless??
Second time you put a non-working link there and just put a scan and say he can do this....



Also note he is capable of firing a huge ray during the attacks.
The power of the ray can be proven by this scan :

http://i78.photobucket.com/albums/j105/Rewmac/Hal7.jpg

Even though it was an accident can it can be remade of course with the same power.

I simply can't see how do you want to take down Hal you haven't really explained anything to me...

Surfer isn't going anywhere near Vulcan. Hal can get into his way and any of my mentioned methods would work on the Surfer. Hmm... Why do you want Vulcan so badly...Vulcan battling BSupes.

GL can travel about the same speed in space as the Surfer in a battle...

Here is something for ya : Nobody was able to catch the Flash only one man Hal...Guess he could more than possibly catch The Surfer

http://i78.photobucket.com/albums/j105/Rewmac/CatchingFlash01.jpg

http://i78.photobucket.com/albums/j105/Rewmac/CatchingFlash02.jpg


I'll let Pr worry about his character....

For some reason the scan is no longer accessible. Most people have seen the scan however, so explaining what it was should be enough.

Originally posted by Blair Wind
For some reason the scan is no longer accessible. Most people have seen the scan however, so explaining what it was should be enough. eh, fair enough....

It's Kyle and MM testing Bsupes power set, Supes holding up at least 10,000 kilograms with an energy field, then superman explains that GL constructs are nothing but solid light images of what they are thinking, then he says all he has to do is disrupt the electromagnetic impulses in his nervous system, and proceeds to do so. Kyle says "Hey...wait, can't focus" and the construct starts to dissipate.

Originally posted by Blair Wind
For some reason the scan is no longer accessible. Most people have seen the scan however, so explaining what it was should be enough.

It works for me ..... though I am getting pretty sick of them posting the same scans in every post ... sometimes twice per post.

If I have counted right...

Rewmac has used 3 posts...
Pr has used only one 1
Roldz has used 4
Nino has used 3.

Still Hal needed to scan the holograms and relly this information to Vulcan, the exchange of information between the two would likely take more than a few second, this should be enough time for Surfer to act out the plan..

http://img181.imageshack.us/my.php?image=ssenslavers39dg4.jpg
http://img181.imageshack.us/my.php?image=ssnanosecondbk5.jpg
1st scan shows Surfer assessing the situation in microsecond..
2nd scan shows him act in nano second..

Another thing thats going for us is our speed advantage, now Hal and Supes could most likely hang out w/ the speed our team function, Vulcan i think not.. That in mind even if the holograms fail, we are still able to follow the plan..



Surfer attacks Vulcan from a far and when Hal's intercept BSupes would not be far behind, all the team need's do is move faster outside Vulcan Battle speed.. Hal needs counter us by matching our speed other wise hed be a setting duck but doubt he could counter 2 of our fastest team, Surfer easyly removes himself from this fight making it BSupes vs Hal as planed..

http://img100.imageshack.us/my.php?image=ronanvsssblitzlx1.jpg
http://img245.imageshack.us/my.php?image=ronanvsss5en8.jpg
SS blitz speed

Surfer a far then blitz those phase board bombs toward Vulcan, I can fallow it up with another attack but i doubt Vulcans got any defense against those, going at near light speed.. If by some coincedense that he somehow activate his ability to slow/stop time on given area all Surfer needs do is fire a barrage of energy blast. Now once it enter given area, the blast slows down but Sways powers has its time limit, Vulcans toast after that..


If Hal still kickin against his fight w/ BSupes, Surfer comes and assist his teamate;

1st off he amps his strenght goes h2h but avoid the construct, GL armor cant take too much punishment specially against 2 extremely amp cosmic being, after that he pulls out the hocus no focus move
completely breaking the armor and they beat Hal to Submission..

http://img181.imageshack.us/my.php?image=halblastrecochetbymagneuf7.jpg
Surfer can easyly cast magnetic shields and deflects Hals blast back at him..

http://img181.imageshack.us/my.php?image=drpolaris20vs20jla20281ac8.jpg
He can manipulate magnetics too, allowing Hal the opportunity to beat himself..

After the team takes out Superman if his still alive in his encounter against Union..


He still needs to scan it and let his teamate know the real one's, it takes more than a few seconds to do this, its all what my team needs to face off against our target..

Surfer easyly erects magnetic fields against any blast from Hal and redirect it, he got this info.. from BSupes during prep, its taken from JLA member files...

WW, Superman, MM, Kyle, Green Arrow did it...

Thats it for now... Nino probably post how he takes out Hal..

As facing Surfer the ring can scan for weakspots and we all know if someone starts to drain his power he is dying to. Quasar did the same he just messed up because he threw it right back at him. There is no reason Hal couldn't do it.

I don't see why you are afraid facing Jordan with Surfer...

Since BSupes isn't going anywhere. He is kind stuck with an energy manipulator.

You can amp up your strenght. Hal can do that except Surfer showed that he can't reall take a natural beating. He can take energy blasts okay but good old beating nooo. Hal can create an armor big and strong enough to squeeze the life out of Norrin Rad.

And I see you couldn't really get my scans of the catching Flash stuff. Nobody there and then were unable to catch the Flash. So if you are going against Vulcan which you want so badly Mr. Rad is going to be caught by a big green aura.

As for the fight against Surfer here and now you won't be able to break the focus of Hal. Hector Hammonds were able 2-3 times but that's it, Hal could resist it.

Originally posted by Roldz

He still needs to scan it and let his teamate know the real one's, it takes more than a few seconds to do this, its all what my team needs to face off against our target..
You seem to think that we are slowpokes or our team is going to wait for yours to attack. What do you think about this...

Ring tells him : Hal these are holograms...

Hal just flies through them (not slowly)...While he flies the ring detects where are the real ones. As for now I'll see it 2 seconds not more.

You think you can take you my team in 2 seconds?? Interesting thought actually.

But no I think you can't. I have two veterans who faced more danger and costume change in their life they won't be fooled that easy. You seem to think that Hal is some kind of rookie. Well he isn't.

...getting to be about that time judges...

*whistle smiley that I'm too lazy to find*

Saturday will be the last big push, so in the interest of keeping things moving I'd advise anyone to start making closing arguments and judges to start perusing everything (if they haven't already) and coming to a decision.

I'll vote tommororw.

Matches end tonight at midnight.

Keep that in mind, posters...

*un-official* By which time zone??

Eastern

*un-official* Eastern what? New York?

Originally posted by Rewmac
*un-official* Eastern what? New York?

It's 1:10 pm here right now.

Originally posted by batdude123
Matches end tonight at midnight.

Keep that in mind, posters...

Midnight?



I thought they were ending on sunday afternoon.

Originally posted by Scoobless
Midnight?



I thought they were ending on sunday afternoon.

Nope.

The way I see it holograms identified handled it's only light energy which is basic for Hal or Gabriel. (Still wainting for pr)

Surfer is busy fighting Hal Jordan but since Surfer is captured because he really wanted to go for Vulcan. Hal makes his move blasting him then putting him into a box and squeezing him while scanning for weakspots.

(During this BSupes is making his own with Vulcan)

When weakspots are shown or identified Hal could just go aand bash him up. Like Beta Ray Bill did it with two blows and Surfer was out.
I count on this because I've showed what was capable of amping his strenght against Mongul.
So Surfer is cracked even if he has the knowledge how to take down Hal it was too much for him. But if you disagree with Hal catching Norrin it could be possible that some distraction was created to catch Surfer. And since the the ring scanned for weakspots the other possibility in the box is draining the power cosmic which is Surfer's life force. Quasar did and he lost because he threw the Power Cosmic back at him.

One way or the other I see Surfer out and Hal for the win. Even if Surfer tries the board hitting him the ring will shield or react to the attack. And since Hal dealt with tons of energy users in the past Power Cosmic blast can be shielded too.

I think Hal Jordan overcomes the Silver Surfer while the other too are fighting. And then he can help out Vulcan (I don't think he needs it) or help Superman out.

You mean like this guy trying to absorb Surfers PC.. But he put a stop to it, and this guy was amp w/ enigma force

http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c379/Doggydogg/SilverSurferfightin

Surfer can play desame game too.. This scan shows Hal's ring can be absorbed too and the diff. w/ him and SS is that SS can stop an absorption feat Hal cant.. PC >>>>> GL rings

http://img181.imageshack.us/my.php?image=halabsorvedv4.jpg
Hal could'nt do nothing about it, he got out by Deadmans help..


Here Surfer taking a beating from Krosakis Glads strength + other captured being energies up via enigma force..
\http://photobucket.com/albums/b305/surfistaprateado/CaptainUniverseSS1-15.jpg
http://photobucket.com/albums/b305/surfistaprateado/CaptainUniverseSS1-13.jpg
He even smiled after a planet fall, nowhere Hal can amp as much as that..

http://photobucket.com/albums/b305/surfistaprateado/MCP175-p12.jpg
another against Lunatic.. + lets not forget all his matches against savage Hulk w/ a scratch..

Surfer can take any beating any day cept Thanos, dont really know why?


Yeah well that Aura is easy taken care of the disrapt focus attack dissipating the construct by either Surfer/BSupes..

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v345/sifu1/silversurfer.jpg
Heres he moves in speed of light in circles.. How fast was Flash going in that scan above?


A nano second is all that it takes for Surfer to act meaning face Vulcan in fight which is the plan, i didnt say they where going to take the whole team 2 second to beat..


Not really, its not the experience that is in question its the limitation of his rings abilities..


Ive posted scans why Gabriel cant identify those holograms in time.. Same w/Hal..

Sorry ive to continue this later, kinda late for my 2nd shift work..

Originally posted by batdude123
Matches end tonight at midnight.

Keep that in mind, posters...

For participants or judges ?

Originally posted by grey fox
For participants or judges ?

Participants.

Answer to Roldz :

Not going work since Surfer was still distracted. And we know if he is surrounded by emerald creatures Surfer can be caught. And since GL scanned Norrin for weak spots. Hal can just go with that.

Also there is no proof Power Cosmic is above the Power Of OA, The Power Of The Guardians. But if you bring me proof that states that Silver Surfer amount of Power Cosmic is above Hal Jordan's fully charged power ring I'll agree until that I won't.

Holograms won't work. I showed proof. You are using basic energy against high class energy manipulators.

I really don't see what makes you think the ring can't react to Norrin.
It will because Hal also has a lot of concentration and will put into the fight and ring now knows the weak spots and powers of the Surfer and all that now needs to be done is what I wrote.

Distraction.

Containment.

Hal can even give energy blast and physical hits inside the box while also squeezing him.
Since the ring now knows that Surfer can go through even walls, absorb energy it will automatically go for a head stomp and big blast inside a box. While Surfer head is cracked Hal can make a full concentration blast.

Originally posted by Roldz


A nano second is all that it takes for Surfer to act meaning face Vulcan in fight which is the plan, i didnt say they where going to take the whole team 2 second to beat..


Not really, its not the experience that is in question its the limitation of his rings abilities..



Again you are overconfident and saying you can take out Hal in nano seconds??? Now won't that be something? I strongly disagree with you there.

Of course the experience comes in handy when we are talking about imagination and will power. And now that Parallax is back to the central battery Hal's ring still has a bigger capability if we can say that (for example no yellow weakness) also it was stated millions of times that the OA Power Rings are only limited to the users will and own fantasy, imagination. And we know Hal is one of the strongest of the Green Lanterns with a very useful imagination.

So I see Surfer knocked out as for my side.

Alright, i can't copy and paste every post i'm replying to, as it might take a few posts, so i'm just going to be short and to the point as best i can, but rest assured i have sat and read every last word...

and let me apologise to anyone who thinks the post is too long (or that there are too many scans), i assure you, its more necessary than you realise...

Alrighty, here we go...



Holograms


Roldz, you say that Vulcan can't detect the holograms, as, in your view, he has only shown limited energy manipulation abilities... i have to disagree...

in x-men: deadly genesis #5 (and no, this has nothing to do with darwin), he seemingly switched off an entire sentinel's power supply with little more than a glance... he didn't seem to put in much effort in fighting the sentinel at all... now i know most characters are capable of beating sentinels, but how many have you seen that can simply switch one off? thats not bad...

http://i78.photobucket.com/albums/j105/Rewmac/Scans/Vulcan/XMDG05_09.jpg

neither is what he did in uncanny x-men #480, while fighting the imperial guard... impulse, who as i already stated is basically living energy inside a containment suit (who does that sound like? ), was destroyed by vulcan rather easily, which says to me that vulcan could detect and manipulate the energy poor ol impulse was made up of with little effort, if any at all...

http://i78.photobucket.com/albums/j105/Rewmac/Scans/Vulcan/Uncanny_X-Men_480_005.jpg

and cosmo and neutron actually drained energy from him, and what did he do? he made them explode from the inside out...

http://i78.photobucket.com/albums/j105/Rewmac/Scans/Vulcan/Uncanny_X-Men_480_009.jpg

that to me, says that vulcan is capable of easily detecting (or actually quite naturally, the way you or i would hear a sound) multiple forms of energy, and holograms are nothing but basic, light based energy, so i really don't think they'll fool him at all...


now, superman... SUPERMAN... honestly... the guy can see in many spectrums, he can see in x-ray, infa red and so on, but its the extent of that power that needs to be considered... superman can look at a person's soul... a BLOODY SOUL!!! (superman v2 #220) plus, the microscopic thing can even distinguish between different dna strands (action #829, superman v2 #219, where he was able to identify batman's dna just by looking at the blood on his hands).

Now, if we consider superman's vision to be somewhat similar to our own, let's say, for instance, that he switches spectrums the way we focus our eyes... try it... see how quickly you can change focus? Now, imagine someone who can do that thousands (or millions) of times faster...

superman isn't getting fooled at all...


you said:



as i've shown above, these guys won't be fooled, at all... i really think this whole hologram tactic is a dead end when you look at the actual people you're trying to fool...



Kryptonite and Union's Durability


you also said that atom took down superman... firstly, he channelled his energy through a kryptonite ring, and it was an offensive blast... and superman had no defense against it...

how does that give union (or anyone else) the same chance? they've no k-ring, and unions armour is just radiation, no concentrated blasts, nothing of the sort... there's nothing to stop superman from just keeping his distance and pounding the hell out of him with heat vision or cold/wind breath...

and superman (in this battle at least) has a shield... a big, green, oan shield...

While Union's durability is very impressive, and i don't think anyone can disagree with that, a charged supes is a whole different kettle of fish than normal supes...

while normal supes does stuff like punching through green lantern shields (action #829) and going up against the likes of darkseid and khyber, sundipped supes does stuff like this:

http://i78.photobucket.com/albums/j105/Rewmac/Scans/Superman/ActionComics782pg13.jpg
http://i78.photobucket.com/albums/j105/Rewmac/Scans/Superman/ActionComics782pg14.jpg
http://i78.photobucket.com/albums/j105/Rewmac/Scans/Superman/ActionComics782pg17.jpg


so while we know that union is pretty capable, are you saying a guy that does what i've just shown won't at the very least be able to match him one on one?

if you are, then i don't agree, at all...


oh, and a quick note... if union's armour is just k-radiation inside a stasis field, then it won't have an effect on superman... why? because its a stasis field... no radiation will get in or out...



Taking out Vulcan straight away


I really think that's a bit hopeful, given the fact that he'll already have a shield up when the match starts, and that our team, at least at the start of the match, will be close enough to each other to watch out for each other... so speedblitzing isn't going to be a huge factor imo...

the speed of his reflexes are also inconsequential this early in the fight, thats what the prep was for...



Superman's Bio aura


Twenty minutes to come up with a way of penetrating it, when so far the only consistent way to get through it was by using magic? I really don't think anyone, much less the Silver Surfer can come up with a way to penetrate it, regardless of how much knowledge Superman Blue has about Superman's Bio field. And this information could easily be out of date, especially after one year later, where Supes' powers have undergone several changes...

i honestly think that you're placing a lot of faith in the chance that your guys might figure a way through it... i'm sorry, maybe with a few days, or even a few weeks they could do it, but twenty minutes?



Superman Blue and his effect on the fight


Superman Blue, to me, is really the weakest member of the other team... if i wasnt so sure i wouldnt be saying it... he's weak against energy manipulators, vulcan comes from a family of people who are all energy users in some way... and he's easily the most powerful... i honestly don't see superman blue having a huge impact on this fight given the plan we've already laid out...


Why i believe we win...

In a word? Simplicity...

Our opposition places too much emphasis on too many different factors, and if one of those factors doesn't bear fruit, well, imo, they're in trouble...

union's kryptonite armour (in a stasis field no less ), taking vulcan out as soon as possible, breaking through superman's bio aura, using holograms to try and fool our guys etc...

We are only relying on two things...

Our prep (which of course will work, as its simple prep thats been established in many comics as being easily achievable), and the hope that rew's guy can keep the surfer busy for a few minutes...

that's it... nothing more, nothing less, because we believe that with the simple plan we laid out, victory is (well i don't want to say easily, but with a sound tactical basis, well within the realms of possibility) achievable...

{edited}

..after the time limit for the match. Sorry bud.

Voting for Rewmac and PR

Reasons : Blue Supes is a serious Achilles heal here , the guy got pwned by Dr light ! for christs sake (Before his mind returned) he can get drained by any of these guys. ESPECIALLY Vulcan.

The holograms which you keep relying on can be seen through ,Birthright backs up the 'Multi spectrum' stuff.

K-nite radiation is near useless and overall your putting a LOT of faith in Surfer and Union winning their matches.

Originally posted by Roldz
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Sorry, this post was made an hour and a half after the match ended. This post is to be disregarded by the judges making their decision. I'd request Digi to perhaps delete this post....

Sorry for the trouble, Roldz...

Done

Suck up.

My vote goes to Rew and PR.

Nino and Roldz did a good job and I had the match even in the first few days. I wasn't completely convinced that they're team could use all the matter/energy manipulation and holograms against Rew/Pr's team effectively for a win. I was more convinced with Rew and Pr in their counter points also. Hat's off to both teams. I think everybody will agree that Roldz and Nino did well in they're first tourny. clapping

Good debate everybody.

That's 2 judges votes and the poll for pr/rew. They win.

Congrats boys, and good luck in the next round.

Thanks. And thanks for all opponents for the battle...

Congrats guys PR/Remwac, it was fun.. Its not going to be these easy in your next round .. Good luck ...

Thanks. Get on MSN when you can...I got something about Havok stuff...

Cool, Ill pm you later.. Ive got to be back at work in an hour..

Whoa... well there's a nice surprise to come home to...

i think roldz and nino deserve alot of credit, this being their first tournament (it is, right?), and also to rew, my sparring partner... i think alot of my arguments wouldn't have come to fruition without his help, and i think he did a fine job of backing up hal, and i also want to thank him for holding the fort during my all too common absences...

and the judges, your votes mean alot... obviously, but in confidence terms i mean...

congrats guys, sorry i wasn't on today to actually see the outcome at first! goodluck in your next match and yes, it was my first match! lol

Nice match guys.