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What if Frank had to deal with Bruce's villains?

Mainly The Joker is who I am asking about but what if he and Bruce were swapped between universes. Since Frank don't screw around about permanently taking the bad guys out of business, could he eliminate Gotham's crime problem. At least with the big guns, not necessarily every single petty thug and crook, since that would be nearly impossible. If he could take them all how long would it take and which would present the biggest problems for Frank?

The Penguin would make Frank laugh. Penguin takes his umbrella and kills poor Frank.




Let's see if Batdude can fight with this logic..That's right I dragged you into this.

He's not beating Ra's, Joker, Riddler, Scarecrow, or Clayface. Maybe Freeze, but I think his suit is bullet proof.

lol...RA's joker RA=RedAtom

:P

Mr. Freeze, Clayface, Poison Ivy, The Joker, Ra's al Ghul and The Riddler all pwn Frank.

Maybe Scarecrow too.

Damn so, you all really don't think with enough time/experance and prep Frank could take them out at?

Originally posted by TricksterPriest
He's not beating Ra's, Joker, Riddler, Scarecrow, or Clayface. Maybe Freeze, but I think his suit is bullet proof.


Pffffffftttttt, PUH-LEEEEEZE..........

Punisher would do what Batman has refused to do for years......Punisher would put a bullet in these losers' heads before the week's out. The only one I see giving Frank a problem would be Clayface and maybe Ra's Al Ghul.

Hell, Frank's almost killed the Joker before already in the "Batman / Punisher : Deadly Knights" cross-over; and if not for Batman interferring, Frank would've blown Joker's head off.....Joker, Penguin, Riddler, Two-Face, Scarecrow, Poison Ivy, Bane, Harley Quinn, Catwoman, Killer Croc, Mad Hatter, Mr. Freeze, etc.....all these guys would be toast against a real, driven, hard-core killing machine like the Punisher!

Poison Ivy can't die.

the only ones i could see Punny having any trouble with are Joker, Ivy, Clayface and Ra's

Originally posted by Comicbook_kid
Pffffffftttttt, PUH-LEEEEEZE..........

Punisher would do what Batman has refused to do for years......Punisher would put a bullet in these losers' heads before the week's out. The only one I see giving Frank a problem would be Clayface and maybe Ra's Al Ghul.

Hell, Frank's almost killed the Joker before already in the "Batman / Punisher : Deadly Knights" cross-over; and if not for Batman interferring, Frank would've blown Joker's head off.....Joker, Penguin, Riddler, Two-Face, Scarecrow, Poison Ivy, Bane, Harley Quinn, Catwoman, Killer Croc, Mad Hatter, Mr. Freeze, etc.....all these guys would be toast against a real, driven, hard-core killing machine like the Punisher!

NOW THATS WHAT I'M TALKIN ABOUT!

Thats how I see it going down. Punisher not even fu*king with their shit and just mowin most of them down like grass.

I seem to remember seeing a scan with Frank scaring the shit out of Joker because he was gonna kill the idiot.

Before reading the rest of this post, know that I assume that Frank has time to plan out his attacks and gather all necessary materials, like he does in his comics.

The Joker = not immune to having his face ventilated from half a kilometer away.
Ra's Al Ghul = the only one who I believe is smart, skilled, and powerful enough to beat Punisher of the Batman villains.
The Riddler = I dont see why Batman doesn't bomb his way out of Riddlers overly complex traps (or fall into them in the first place for that matter), Frank caps him as he starts his monologue.
Two-Face = how is he any different than Jigsaw after he became a crime boss? Ugly guy with decent combat skills, crazy as hell ,and relies on a team of goons, nothing Frank hasn't taken on before.
The Penguin = not worth the bullet Frank uses to kill him.
Scarecrow = not fireproof.
Clayface = frozen in liquid nitrogen.
Bane = not bulletproof, and can't bullet dodge.
Mr. Freeze = Frank grabs a flamethrower, hope Freeze likes getting doused in a chemical that burns at 900-1200 degrees celsius.
Killer Croc = A new pair of croc skin boots.
Poison Ivy = ever seen what a jar of gasoline and a match can do to someones greenhouse?
Cat Woman = Frank makes fun of her for having a movie even worse than his last two, and executes her while she's crying.

Originally posted by Beta Ray Howard
I seem to remember seeing a scan with Frank scaring the shit out of Joker because he was gonna kill the idiot.

You meen this, or the page after it?

Originally posted by Tassadar
Before reading the rest of this post, know that I assume that Frank has time to plan out his attacks and gather all necessary materials, like he does in his comics.

The Joker = not immune to having his face ventilated from half a kilometer away.
Ra's Al Ghul = the only one who I believe is smart, skilled, and powerful enough to beat Punisher of the Batman villains.
The Riddler = I dont see why Batman doesn't bomb his way out of Riddlers overly complex traps (or fall into them in the first place for that matter), Frank caps him as he starts his monologue.
Two-Face = how is he any different than Jigsaw after he became a crime boss? Ugly guy with decent combat skills, crazy as hell ,and relies on a team of goons, nothing Frank hasn't taken on before.
The Penguin = not worth the bullet Frank uses to kill him.
Scarecrow = not fireproof.
Clayface = frozen in liquid nitrogen.
Bane = not bulletproof, and can't bullet dodge.
Mr. Freeze = Frank grabs a flamethrower, hope Freeze likes getting doused in a chemical that burns at 900-1200 degrees celsius.
Killer Croc = A new pair of croc skin boots.
Poison Ivy = ever seen what a jar of gasoline and a match can do to someones greenhouse?
Cat Woman = Frank makes fun of her for having a movie even worse than his last two, and executes her while she's crying.

I LOVE IT!

All of it. Especially the part about Penguin not being worth the bullets.

^Co-signed. Except that Freeze isnt worth the time it takes to figure out his weakness, getting a flame thrower out, etc... one bullet in his helmet then one in the face to keep him down. I'm not sure if he can be killed by being shot in the face, but I know for a fact that he got blasted a bunch of times in City of Crime and ran away like a little b**** because he would soon die from the heat...
Ra's survives, no problems, as Punisher doesnt know his potential,
Clayface survives because Punisher just doesnt know how to kill him.
With sufficiant knowledge, he could take all Clay. Ra's... well, hes immortal.

Originally posted by Entity
I LOVE IT!

All of it. Especially the part about Penguin not being worth the bullets.


AMEN BROTHER, AMEN!!!!!!!!!!

Originally posted by Tassadar
You meen this, or the page after it?

Page after.

Originally posted by Tassadar
You meen this, or the page after it?

I have a personal request... Can you post the next page? I love the scene where Punisher tells Joker..."I've got all the therapy you'll need right here." as he cocks the hammer of his pistol and points it at Joker's head. One of my all-time favorite Punisher scenes and quotes!

Originally posted by Entity
What if Frank had to deal with Bruce's villains?

Mainly The Joker is who I am asking about but what if he and Bruce were swapped between universes. Since Frank don't screw around about permanently taking the bad guys out of business, could he eliminate Gotham's crime problem. At least with the big guns, not necessarily every single petty thug and crook, since that would be nearly impossible. If he could take them all how long would it take and which would present the biggest problems for Frank?

Joker>Punisher

Originally posted by guy222
Joker>Punisher

In the words of a guy from Robocop, "Can he outsmart a bullet?"

Joker is one of the coolest villains of all time, don't get me wrong. He is both the greatest representation of a true sociopath and psychopath. He is smart and ruthless. However, he is only a problem because Bruce won't just drop him like a freeweight.

Originally posted by guy222
Joker>Punisher

I don't know. Batman's villains are too used to the fact he won't use lethal force on them. Frank had Joker dead to rights in the crossover, and was going to kill him. Joker was speechless, and paralyzed with fear.

Joker has proven on panel to be smarter then Ra's al Ghul, who has time and again shown to be Batman's equal in the intelligence area.

He is a criminal genius, with an untold amount of resources.

Crossovers are crap. Joker has never shown true fear of death before, and has even leaped to his death, just so Batgirl could catch him, just so he could attack her while her guard was dropped.

In another crossover, Joker takes out Carnage with a crowbar.

And the Joker/Batman thing is convolluted. Both have had equal opportunities to kill each other. It can't be told just as "While, Bats could have killed him like 50 times". Mostly because that's not true.
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Riddler is the smartest man listed. His intelligence and prep dwarfs Franks so much, it's not even laughable.

Poison Ivy can't die. Batman has become a joke to her.

Joker has been in fear of his life. The climatic issue of A DEATH IN THE FAMILY, Bats and Joker are struggling in a helicopter, and an Iranian guard produces a machinegun to wipe everyone out. Joker holds up his hands in a panic and shouts "NO!", but gets shot anyway.

Originally posted by SpunkySmurph
Riddler is the smartest man listed. His intelligence and prep dwarfs Franks so much, it's not even laughable.

No way is Riddler smarter than Ra's Al Ghul... And Frank is definately no sloutch when it comes to prep.

Frank has killed roughly 2,000 criminals in his colorful past....after this match-up, you can add about a dozen more to the top of that list.

Originally posted by Comicbook_kid
No way is Riddler smarter than Ra's Al Ghul...



Anyway...

Heres on panel evidence of Ra's admitting his is the inferior intellect to Jokers

http://i55.photobucket.com/albums/g126/SpunkySmurph/DC/Scans/09830_jokerchess3.jpg
And Riddler is smarter then Joker. Or Batman. And DEFINETLEY smarter then Frank




Originally posted by Comicbook_kid
And Frank is definately no sloutch when it comes to prep.


Didn't say he was. Doesn't help him.

Originally posted by Comicbook_kid
Frank has killed roughly 2,000 criminals in his colorful past....

That's a list of 2000 Stilt-Mans that Marvel wanted to get rid off, unfortunatley

Originally posted by Comicbook_kid
after this match-up, you can add about a dozen more to the top of that list.

Or one more to any of the people I earlier listed. Which is much more likely

Originally posted by Comicbook_kid
I have a personal request... Can you post the next page? I love the scene where Punisher tells Joker..."I've got all the therapy you'll need right here." as he cocks the hammer of his pistol and points it at Joker's head. One of my all-time favorite Punisher scenes and quotes!

Your wish is my command.

Originally posted by guy222
Joker>Punisher

As a character, yes Joker is both more intelligent and more powerful. But Punisher still wins, because he has what most characters of this calliber are defensless against: the will to kill.

But you also gotta think the other way around. Joker could have killed Bats so many times as well. But he doesn't cause its part of the game. he'd have Frank killed and have his corpse lying in the bottom of the atlantic no prob. and Joker is smarter than both Ras and Riddler. and Bats is equal to Joker. But he knows more about science and stuff.

Originally posted by Superherovandal
But you also gotta think the other way around. Joker could have killed Bats so many times as well. But he doesn't cause its part of the game. he'd have Frank killed and have his corpse lying in the bottom of the atlantic no prob. and Joker is smarter than both Ras and Riddler. and Bats is equal to Joker. But he knows more about science and stuff.

Who's Joker going to send to kill Frank? His Goons? Harley Quinn? He'll cap them in the face without blinking and go back to hunting smiley himself with a .50 rifle.

Their lies the flaw in most of Batmans smart enemies, they think of overly elaborate plans (think of the scene in the end of the first Austin Powers) to try and catch Batman, and play games with him, when a nice big bomb would work so much better. And Bats plays along because he wants to arrest them, rather than kill the f00l and have done with it. Frank does not have said weakness.

Originally posted by Superherovandal
But you also gotta think the other way around. Joker could have killed Bats so many times as well. But he doesn't cause its part of the game. he'd have Frank killed and have his corpse lying in the bottom of the atlantic no prob. and Joker is smarter than both Ras and Riddler. and Bats is equal to Joker. But he knows more about science and stuff.

Meh. Joker knows more then Bats in certain areas of Science. (e.g. chemistry, etc.)

However, Bats is probably the better overall scientist (he IS the ****ing Batman, afterall)

And again, Riddler is the smartest man listed. Jokere, however, is more cunning. And eviler (is that a word?). And... insane-er.

But the first part of your post is completley accurate.

Originally posted by Tassadar
Who's Joker going to send to kill Frank? His Goons? Harley Quinn? He'll cap them in the face without blinking and go back to hunting smiley himself with a .50 rifle.

Their lies the flaw in most of Batmans smart enemies, they think of overly elaborate plans (think of the scene in the end of the first Austin Powers) to try and catch Batman, and play games with him, when a nice big bomb would work so much better. And Bats plays along because he wants to arrest them, rather than kill the f00l and have done with it. Frank does not have said weakness.

Yeah, but thats because they respect Bats and consider him a challenge.

They don't give a f*ck about Punisher.
Say goodbye to Frank.

Well, well...this thread again, i made one of these a while back...but again frank wins this...all frank has to do is take care of the biggest threat first so they don't catch on that he is offing these scumbags...joker first, then the rest...These villians all fear one thing, someone who actually gets the job done, rather than some guy dressed as a bat who gives them a few slaps on the wrist and lets them go back on the streets to kill by fukin dinner time.

Originally posted by Beta Ray Howard
In the words of a guy from Robocop, "Can he outsmart a bullet?"

Originally posted by jgiant
Well, well...this thread again, i made one of these a while back...but again frank wins this...all frank has to do is take care of the biggest threat first so they don't catch on that he is offing these scumbags...joker first, then the rest...These villians all fear one thing, someone who actually gets the job done, rather than some guy dressed as a bat who gives them a few slaps on the wrist and lets them go back on the streets to kill by fukin dinner time.

Ok... let's say by some act of god, Punisher managed to kill Joker.

Then every other major crime boss (Two-face, Riddler, Ra's al Ghul, Bane etc.) will know of Frank's presence. His ass belongs to any one of them, or Freeze, Clayface, Scarecrow, Poison Ivy, etc.

how is Riddler smarter? Sure he's good at riddles and puzzles but Joker is better at science, planning, and better on his feet.

True enough, J is better on his feet. And he's no minor genius.

But Riddler is still the smartest. Take "Hush Begins" for example.

Riddler manipulated:
Joker, Harley Quinn, Two-Face, Poison Ivy, Scarecrow, Killer Croc, Clayface, Jason Todd, Batman, Catwoman, Hush and even the goddamned Superman.

What was Joker's response?

"You're new in town. You'll get used to it."

http://i55.photobucket.com/albums/g126/SpunkySmurph/DC/Scans/gothamknights52pyratedcppg05rd4.jpg

Originally posted by SpunkySmurph
True enough, J is better on his feet. And he's no minor genius.

But Riddler is still the smartest. Take "Hush Begins" for example.

Riddler manipulated:
Joker, Harley Quinn, Two-Face, Poison Ivy, Scarecrow, Killer Croc, Clayface, Jason Todd, Batman, Catwoman, Hush and even the goddamned Superman.

What was Joker's response?

"You're new in town. You'll get used to it."

http://i55.photobucket.com/albums/g126/SpunkySmurph/DC/Scans/gothamknights52pyratedcppg05rd4.jpg Haha...not to downgrade riddler...well maybe...Hush was the only thing riddler was ever good for...if it wasn't for that he would be a joke...that storyline just was made cuz riddler didn't have a batman issue worth reading. So everything in there is just to make riddler loook cool and badass when his other shit doesn't even come close to Hush. Joker would use riddler as toilet paper if he wanted. Just my opinion tho. Ohh and frank takes these guys out (except clayface and posion ivy).

Originally posted by jgiant
Haha...not to downgrade riddler...well maybe...Hush was the only thing riddler was ever good for...if it wasn't for that he would be a joke...that storyline just was made cuz riddler didn't have a batman issue worth reading. So everything in there is just to make riddler loook cool and badass when his other shit doesn't even come close to Hush. Joker would use riddler as toilet paper if he wanted. Just my opinion tho. Ohh and frank takes these guys out (except clayface and posion ivy).

It just finally threw Riddler a little respect his way. There wasn't any PIS involved in the story. At least, not on his part.

Though, Joker > Riddler, IMO. He's not a smart, but he's deadlier all the same.

And Punisher still dies.

And Punisher still dies. After killing all of them with Joker being the last.

Clayface would clearly be Franks biggest problem, and probably be the one foe here that Punisher with usual equipment couldnt beat. Everyone else he could, some less than not, some more than not, some easily, some with supreme difficulty, Id say Bane, Ras and Croc giving Frank the hardest fights after CF.

Regarding Joker, personally I say Punisher kills him much more often than he gets killed himself.

Ras al Gul would be greatest challenge. One that frank probably wouldnt overcome.