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why the hell did you put a picture of Bush?

Apoc mindrapes Surfer ftw.

See, I just argued this, based on Surfer not having TP and it working well against him. For some reason, people were unwilling to hear me out. Nice image, but yes really, a non-jobbing Full Potential Apoc could mindrape Surfer.

apoc has the power to take down surfer (he did stalemate the high evolutionary) but he will most likely not win that's just the way apoc rolls.

Originally posted by TricksterPriest
See, I just argued this, based on Surfer not having TP and it working well against him. For some reason, people were unwilling to hear me out. Nice image, but yes really, a non-jobbing Full Potential Apoc could mindrape Surfer. Surfer does have telepathy afaik...

Originally posted by juggernaut66666
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One way for Apocalypse would be to attack him TP as mentioned before, Apocalypse is a very powerful telepath, but for some reason, we rarely see his telepathic powers, psionic powers.

Originally posted by jasofisc
apoc has the power to take down surfer (he did stalemate the high evolutionary) but he will most likely not win that's just the way apoc rolls.

High E stalemated Galactus

Dear God...

Originally posted by ExodusCloak
Dear God...
Yup.
Shit spreads fast.

Originally posted by ExodusCloak
Dear God... Which one?

Originally posted by guy222
High E stalemated Galactus


holy crap how did High E do that and how did apoc stale mate him when High evolutionary is able stale mate Galactus. I think in terms of power apoc is above surfer but no ware even close to Gal

But he could grow really big and step on Galactus.

Juggernaut, stop being a Apoc hater.

Originally posted by xmarksthespot
But he could grow really big and step on Galactus.
But below planet eating size.

Originally posted by xmarksthespot
Which one?

Ororo Munroe shifty

Nah...keep it vague that way the real one won't get offended.

IIRC I have a very interesting scan with Apocalypse and telepathy....I'll go and dig for the issue.

Silver Surfer speed blitz his a$$ to oblivion.

Originally posted by masterbruce
Juggernaut, stop being a Apoc hater.

masterbruce, read a comic.

Originally posted by jasofisc
holy crap how did High E do that and how did apoc stale mate him when High evolutionary is able stale mate Galactus. I think in terms of power apoc is above surfer but no ware even close to Gal

HE even said Apocalypse is the villain of the first order.

Give me a break. Apoc has been getting screwed for a long time. Why am I one of the only ones who sees that? He COULD beat Surfer. It's just that if the writers put him that high, no one on earth can stop him.

Originally posted by TricksterPriest
Give me a break. Apoc has been getting screwed for a long time. Why am I one of the only ones who sees that? He COULD beat Surfer. It's just that if the writers put him that high, no one on earth can stop him. Coulda shoulda woulda means nothing in the grand scheme, and as to your last comment... just no.

Originally posted by TricksterPriest
Give me a break. Apoc has been getting screwed for a long time. Why am I one of the only ones who sees that? He COULD beat Surfer. It's just that if the writers put him that high, no one on earth can stop him.

There was always a way Apocalypse lost.

Originally posted by TricksterPriest
Give me a break. Apoc has been getting screwed for a long time. Why am I one of the only ones who sees that? He COULD beat Surfer. It's just that if the writers put him that high, no one on earth can stop him.


Except for something like Magneto

Originally posted by TricksterPriest
Give me a break. Apoc has been getting screwed for a long time. Why am I one of the only ones who sees that? He COULD beat Surfer. It's just that if the writers put him that high, no one on earth can stop him.

Apoc gets screwed more then any other character. I agree he "could beat surfer" but it's hard to debate that when loses nearly every fight he's ever been in.

What's wierd about Apoc is that while most comic characters are depowered in cartoons, Apoc is shown closer to his true form, that of Godhood!

Originally posted by jasofisc
Apoc gets screwed more then any other character.

True.

Originally posted by Xplosive
True.


I can't wait tell Kazar beats apoc or daredevil

Originally posted by masterbruce
What's wierd about Apoc is that while most comic characters are depowered in cartoons, Apoc is shown closer to his true form, that of Godhood!

QFT. http://www.killermovies.com/forums/366884_1-respect-apocalypse

the respect thread.

Better to download it from here

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Check out Apoc's feat he absorbs Cyclops's full power blast. I bet that Surfer couldn't do that.

Originally posted by juggernaut66666
Check out Apoc's feat he absorbs Cyclops's full power blast. I bet that Surfer couldn't do that.


Well he did make war hulk who moved the juggernaut and death wolverine walked through cyclops blasts so it only makes sense to me Apoc is clearly near abstract levels

Originally posted by Soleran
Well he did make war hulk who moved the juggernaut and death wolverine walked through cyclops blasts so it only makes sense to me Apoc is clearly near abstract levels
Yeah with Celestial Tech. Not under his own power.

Originally posted by juggernaut66666
Yeah with Celestial Tech. Not under his own power.

Oiiiii. 5000 years isn't enough time to just admit Celestial tech is part of the character?

Originally posted by TricksterPriest
Oiiiii. 5000 years isn't enough time to just admit Celestial tech is part of the character?
So if some one wields the IG for 5000 year then it becomes a part of his powers?

Originally posted by juggernaut66666
Check out Apoc's feat he absorbs Cyclops's full power blast. I bet that Surfer couldn't do that.

That is not good enough feat, and you should really become better like always downgrading Apocalypse, you can be really annoying.
Still, many wouldnt be able to do that to Cyclops with their bear hand and I dont mean SS to be among those, to completely exhaust him.
But you know what, even when that is not some feat, I bet many here didnt know that even happened, but I bet many knew that there was table thrown at him.

Originally posted by juggernaut66666
Yeah with Celestial Tech. Not under his own power.

Celestial Tech is literally part of him.

Originally posted by juggernaut66666
So if some one wields the IG for 5000 year then it becomes a part of his powers?

so when people talk about ironman vs someone we should just think of tony stark trying to fight them with out armor.

Originally posted by jasofisc
so when people talk about ironman vs someone we should just think of tony stark trying to fight them with out armor.
Ironman=Tony Stark+Armor
Nevermind that question.

Originally posted by juggernaut66666
So if some one wields the IG for 5000 year then it becomes a part of his powers?

So I guess Ironman's armor isn't part of Tony's powers then.

well the c-tec is more a part of apoc then the armor is a part of ironman

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Originally posted by Roldz
SS vs Mehisto in his own realm, not the first time this guy fought dough and Mephisto still after SS soul as usual... SS put a clobberin on this guy dough in his realm..

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I don't think Apoc wins. n00bish to think so.

Originally posted by juggernaut66666
Ironman=Tony Stark+Armor
Nevermind that question.

Juggernaut, you're just bitter because Apocalypse is more of a badass than Thanos.

Originally posted by masterbruce
Juggernaut, you're just bitter because Apocalypse is more of a badass than Thanos.

masterbruce, you're just bitter because we have picked up comics in our lives.

Originally posted by juggernaut66666
Ironman=Tony Stark+Armor
Nevermind that question.

Is adamantium part of Wolverine then?

Originally posted by Kallark-Kent
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I don't think Apoc wins. n00bish to think so.

why post surfers PIS feats it's fanboish to think that surfer is better then menphisto or that surfer is really able to absorb stars and your not a fan boy. I know he did these things but wolverine has taken down namor and regenerated from nothing that doesn't mean he should be able to.

Originally posted by masterbruce
Is adamantium part of Wolverine then? It's not part of his actual powers.

Rogue doesn't suddenly gain adamantium lacing on her skeleton when she touches Logan.

Originally posted by jasofisc
why post surfers PIS feats it's fanboish to think that surfer is better then menphisto or that surfer is really able to absorb stars and your not a fan boy. I know he did these things but wolverine has taken down namor and regenerated from nothing that doesn't mean he should be able to.

Uhh, spelling helps you know.

Apoc has taken down Loki and High evolutionary. Doesn't mean he should be able to.

Originally posted by masterbruce
Juggernaut, you're just bitter because Apocalypse is more of a badass than Thanos.
Man your "comebacks" are so lame.

Originally posted by Kallark-Kent
Uhh, spelling helps you know.

Apoc has taken down Loki and High evolutionary. Doesn't mean he should be able to.

why should he be able to based on his powers. I know based on past battles maybe but not based on his powers. surfer it's a different story compared to menphesto in his own realm

He's right about beating Mephisto in his own realm, that's PIS. But the sun feat is within his power as is the cable feat.

Originally posted by juggernaut66666
Man your "comebacks" are so lame.

do you deny being bitter about Apoc being more a badass villain than Thanos?

Originally posted by jasofisc
why should he be able to based on his powers. I know based on past battles maybe but not based on his powers. surfer it's a different story compared to menphesto in his own realm

So, he still beat an Omega Cable. Apoc would lose to that Cable. This is current Surfer due to KMC rules. Surfer wins EASY.

Originally posted by Kallark-Kent
Apoc would lose to that Cable.

And why is that

Originally posted by Kallark-Kent
So, he still beat an Omega Cable. Apoc would lose to that Cable. This is current Surfer due to KMC rules. Surfer wins EASY.


true enough but the menphisto feat is just crazy and I hate it when people bring it up. the cable feat maybe good enough evidence to suggest that surfer would win against apoc. And I already said before that apoc would most likely not win against surfer based on past battles.

Originally posted by Xplosive
And why is that

Omega Cable owns Apocalypse. jasonfisc and Trickster know it.

You can't get past your Apoc dreams and realise it.

Originally posted by masterbruce
do you deny being bitter about Apoc being more a badass villain than Thanos?

Do you deny never reading a comic?

Originally posted by masterbruce
do you deny being bitter about Apoc being more a badass villain than Thanos? If unfunny was a word...

Originally posted by Kallark-Kent
Omega Cable owns Apocalypse. jasonfisc and Trickster know it.

You can't get past your Apoc dreams and realize it.

When did that happen, did it happen. Nope. Except when Stryfe (who is equal to Omega Cable), beat Apocalypse, but attacked Apocalypse when he knew Apocalypse was in one of his weakest state and he took advantage of that.
I can only say, Omega Cable never fought someone like Loki or HE, except SS (and Omega Cable was written well as was Apocalypse written well against HE or Loki), where he lost terribly, based on that, Omega Cable lose to Apocalypse.

Originally posted by masterbruce
why the hell did you put a picture of Bush?

Apoc mindrapes Surfer ftw.

Originally posted by Kallark-Kent
Do you deny never reading a comic?

I do deny that since I have read many comics.

This is current Surfer due to KMC rules btw everyone.

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That's about where this thread is. Apocalypse at full potential could beat Omega Cable. Current surfer punks Apoc. Classic is a close fight favoring Surfer.

Edit: Double post. sorry.

Originally posted by TricksterPriest
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That's about where this thread is. Apocalypse at full potential could beat Omega Cable. Current surfer punks Apoc. Classic is a close fight favoring Surfer.

He would tear Omega Cable off.

And I just cant see Apocalypse who fought HE, PE Ikaris, Loki, Apocaylpse who took full blast of Inhumans plus X-Factor and it was nothing to lose so easily against SS as God-like Cable did.

And Omega Cable durability is nothing compared to Apocalypse.

Originally posted by TricksterPriest
Current surfer punks Apoc. Classic is a close fight favoring Surfer.

En Sabah Nur spits on you and demands that you change your signature and avatar as you are no longer recognized as part of the Clan Akkaba. Bow your head in shame for you have brought disgrace to the Apocalypse name.

You've gone and done it now Trick. You shall fear teh Brucekick.

Originally posted by Kallark-Kent
You've gone and done it now Trick. You shall fear teh Brucekick. Bruce is a joke...

Hey screw you. I think Apoc can beat Surfer, I know he's outclassed by current Surfer. Current Surfer is close to Thano pre-upgrades and ressurection. Surfer is favored in terms of raw power, but Apoc is smarter and knows how to use his powers better. I'll post the high evo vs. apoc fight later.

Apoc - mutant

Surfer - cosmic being

Power Cosmic >>> Mutant X-Gene

Surfer >>> Apoc


Anytime, any version.

Ok, you asked for it. Here's Apoc handling the high evolutionary.

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Originally posted by Rewmac
Apoc - mutant

Surfer - cosmic being

Power Cosmic >>> Mutant X-Gene

Surfer >>> Apoc


Anytime, any version.

Surfer - cosmic being

Franklin Richards - mutant

Franklin Richards >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Surfer

Mutant X-Gene >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Power Cosmic

Originally posted by Rewmac
Apoc - mutant

Surfer - cosmic being

Power Cosmic >>> Mutant X-Gene

Surfer >>> Apoc


Anytime, any version.

If that was the case, then how come SW or someone like FR, Hyperstorm get so high, also if you count cosmic scale, Mad Jim Jasper.

he's got you there. No comments on the high evo fight?

Mad Jim Jaspers could literally shit something vastly more powerful than Apocalypse if he wanted to.

You'll get no arguement from me. Jaspers was almost Omnipotent.

Originally posted by TricksterPriest
he's got you there. No comments on the high evo fight? No it hasn't. The Power Cosmic can shut down mutant X-Gene as we all know. Surfer just need one shut. And also I was talking about the current case. Apocalypse. Thanks for listening. I know Apocalypse is cool and you guys like him. I don't like Surfer that much. But face it. Silver Surfer isn't the guy who would be beaten by him.
He can manipulate matter,his molecules phasing through every object or obstacle he can also manipulate time...So my meaning is Apoc is loosing.

Also note that a Power Cosmic blast can do some demage to Apoc.

He'd have to hit him first. http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y37/Nightmareman95/powers12.png
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That's some good stuff...Which issue is it from...?

Sorry I can't bring scans and stuff for more debate until my Tourney fight is over. Coz that's versus Surfer...And I really don't want to make the enemy lines stronger...

Originally posted by xmarksthespot
Mad Jim Jaspers could literally shit something vastly more powerful than Apocalypse if he wanted to.

Mad Jim Jaspers could literally shit something vastly more powerful than Silver Surfer if he wanted to.

Originally posted by Rewmac
That's some good stuff...Which issue is it from...? /B]

Eternals Apocalypse Now

Originally posted by Xplosive
Mad Jim Jaspers could literally shit something vastly more powerful than Silver Surfer if he wanted to. Miss the point much?
Using Jaspers and the Scarlet Witch to try and make a case for mutants being more powerful than the PC is just silly considering how they dwarf the power of the mutant in question and mutants in general.

Originally posted by xmarksthespot
Miss the point much?
Using Jaspers and the Scarlet Witch to try and make a case for mutants being more powerful than the PC is just silly considering how they dwarf the power of the mutant in question and mutants in general.

True, but considering that mutants have the greatest potential in the existence or humans, same, than power cosmic is no greater than mutant x-gene.

The power cosmic is still leagues away from the X-gene, no mutant can beat Galactus, it just happens that if you pick the lowest PC characters and the highest mutants they get to be around the same level.

Which means Apocalypse at his full potential, is capable of beating Silver Surfer. Personally I'd call classic Surfer middle of the road in terms of PC.

Apocalypse would never beat Surfer!!! Why? Because Surfer is more versitale ,stronger,faster and more powerfull he outclasses Apoc in everyway!!!!!!

Originally posted by Kallark-Kent
masterbruce, you're just bitter because we have picked up comics in our lives.

actually bruce is just mad cuz aunt may is more badass then him

Why is this even a competition? Apoc is going to take down SS with telepathy when Moondragon couldn't? I somehow doubt that.

Originally posted by juggernaut66666
Apocalypse would never beat Surfer!!! Why? Because Surfer is more versitale ,stronger,faster and more powerfull he outclasses Apoc in everyway!!!!!!

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Macoy, you need to read Classic Apoc. It's a crime what they've done to him since.

Originally posted by juggernaut66666
Apocalypse would never beat Surfer!!! Why? Because Surfer is more versitale ,stronger,faster and more powerfull he outclasses Apoc in everyway!!!!!!

You are correct, sir.

I think he could stalemate Surfer for awhile at least. With prep, I believe he can win. You underestimate the celestial tech. Why is it Xplosive is the only one who gets what I mean by Apoc's full potential? Is it because he read that massive respect thread link? Or because you believe Apocalypse is solely a jobber at this point?

Thanks, Ed.

(I miss Johnny Carson)

Anyway Surfer wins 7/10 here

Originally posted by jasofisc
apoc has the power to take down surfer (he did stalemate the high evolutionary) but he will most likely not win that's just the way apoc rolls.

Oh Really?!?!?!

Originally posted by guy222
High E stalemated Galactus




I knew APOC could take on the big G( atleast w/ PREP)

b4 i was crazy....now you all are starting to see the light

Originally posted by jasofisc
why post surfers PIS feats it's fanboish to think that surfer is better then menphisto or that surfer is really able to absorb stars and your not a fan boy. I know he did these things but wolverine has taken down namor and regenerated from nothing that doesn't mean he should be able to.
You think that wasnt a good feat, to be able to escape and twart Mephisto plan in his own realm, that didnt happen once but 3-4 times.. Surfer has absorb on more than one ocassion the energies of a star, if his done this feats once id consider it but more than that, its not pis but rather it is within the scope of his powers..

All we can say to Mephisto is i quess his weak against opponent whos got a pure soul that would be akin to Superman's Kryptonite..
Originally posted by TricksterPriest
Which means Apocalypse at his full potential, is capable of beating Silver Surfer. Personally I'd call classic Surfer middle of the road in terms of PC.
This only happens if Apoc. is of Omega level, but never heared of him being one.. I figure hed be Alpha, you know him in need of a host to survived..

Guys heared of Harmageddon, 1st of human turned into a horseman..
I think that guy in Apoc. side by side be unstopable, too bad he left for the stars..

Originally posted by Bentley
The power cosmic is still leagues away from the X-gene, no mutant can beat Galactus, it just happens that if you pick the lowest PC characters and the highest mutants they get to be around the same level.

SW and SS are no where near to be around the same level (she goes far and far beyond him) or Mad Jim Jasper.
Mutant X-gene potential goes beyond Galactus.

And remember, White Crown of the Phoenix, she is that because of the mutant genes.

Originally posted by TricksterPriest
Why is it Xplosive is the only one who gets what I mean by Apoc's full potential?

Because I know much more than many here about Apocalypse.
When you mention to someone Apocalypse, they will say, table thrown at him.

Th point is, that many, even those who hate Apocalypse, know that what his powers are, know he could be a beast constantly.
That is why we get such threads as Apocalypse Vs. Some Cosmic Power, because they know he could do that, it is within his potential.

his respect thread brought to light the guy really use to be one heck of a beast, like could take on anyone perhaps before he was reduced to an earth level threat.

Originally posted by TricksterPriest
I think he could stalemate Surfer for awhile at least. With prep, I believe he can win. You underestimate the celestial tech. Why is it Xplosive is the only one who gets what I mean by Apoc's full potential? Is it because he read that massive respect thread link? Or because you believe Apocalypse is solely a jobber at this point?


I've read through at least three respect threads for Apoc, and give him credit for what he is. A decently powered prep-meister. In a straight up fight with someone at random, he's gonna have a lot of problems.

Though tech from the Celestials is nice, unless you're calling Arishem the Judge from out of nowhere, it's not going to do an amount of good against Thanos, who has become the level of a deity three times, and each time he attained the power he didn't seem to break a single sweat.

Saying Apoc could beat Surfer more times than not would be the equivalent of me saying that Beta Ray Bill could defeat Dr. Strange because he clobberized him once after catching him off guard.

did godlike cable defeat ss?

Originally posted by guy222
High E stalemated Galactus Actually he didn't...people just think he did, most of which didn't even read the comic.

Originally posted by masterbruce
What's wierd about Apoc is that while most comic characters are depowered in cartoons, Apoc is shown closer to his true form, that of Godhood! What an absolutely ridiculous statement...what 'godhood' did he display in the cartoon?

He went to the Axis of Time, (against his will I might add), and used the technology there to manipulate time. This falls under the Infinity Gauntlet scenario of Aunt May being able to do the same thing. When it came down to actually fighting...Cable showed up and swiftly took him down with a couple of blasts from his gun.

Anyway, people like to talk about how we haven't seen Apoc's true power, well we haven't seen Surfer's true power, either. The guy almost always holds back...but when pissed off, he does damage...Ie. being able to take out five Annihilation Wave ships at the same time.

I don't see Apoc giving him any trouble in a straight-up fight...but Apoc is certainly capable of pulling off Doom-style sneak attack, and has the physical power to back it up, should the Surfer resist in any way.

Originally posted by Lord S
What an absolutely ridiculous statement...what 'godhood' did he display in the cartoon?


Mostly totally invulnerability to every attack against him until they beat him with what seemed like desperate PIS

But who cares this is comics Apoc anyway

I recall Strife making Apoc feel like a girl...

X-men Evolution Apoc was 10 times more impressive then the other and still nowhere to Surfer.

Current Surfer Beats Apoc. Apoc is a herald LvL being. But he's not messing with the Best Herald Ever. Especially now that Surfer has been upgraded.

agreed.

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
Current Surfer Beats Apoc. Apoc is a herald LvL being. But he's not messing with the Best Herald Ever. Especially now that Surfer has been upgraded.
What is with this Surfer got upgraded bullshit?
Everyone says wow Surfer is now upgraded he is a lot more powerfull still he only did things that he was capable of before his upgrade.

Originally posted by juggernaut66666
What is with this Surfer got upgraded bullshit?
Everyone says wow Surfer is now upgraded he is a lot more powerfull still he only did things that he was capable of before his upgrade.

Well to me he was able to take a shot from Aegis. The same shot that gave Galactus a nice Heaping of aaaarg. Surfer was already a little better than Apoc to begin with. Upgrading makes him a lot better.

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
Well to me he was able to take a shot from Aegis. The same shot that gave Galactus a nice Heaping of aaaarg. Surfer was already a little better than Apoc to begin with. Upgrading makes him a lot better.
Oh so now Surfer's durability is beyond Galactus's. Galan was cheapshoted by Aegis and he was already beaten up by Tenebrous. He stil hasn't shown any big difference in power except that Ravenous was saying "What have you become" stuff

Originally posted by juggernaut66666
Oh so now Surfer's durability is beyond Galactus's. Galan was cheapshoted by Aegis and he was already beaten up by Tenebrous. He stil hasn't shown any big difference in power except that Ravenous was saying "What have you become" stuff

NO i'm not saying Surfer is beyong Galactus in Durability. I'm saying if you can take a shot that can hurt big G, and live to tell the story, your pretty durable.

Originally posted by Lord S
Actually he didn't...people just think he did, most of which didn't even read the comic.


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Apoc just laughed off The big HE's energy blasts. It had no effect.

APoc seems to be all over the place. He at times seems to be Herald lvl, at times above it, at times below it. WTF. He's worst than DS. I don't know how to judge him.

apoc is just earth level threat.

Originally posted by qqqqqqq
apoc is just earth level threat.

Well How in the sam hill was he able to fight the Big HE?

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
APoc seems to be all over the place. He at times seems to be Herald lvl, at times above it, at times below it. WTF. He's worst than DS. I don't know how to judge him.


I know what you mean one second he's getting taken down by some of the least powerful x-men then another time some of the most powerfull x-men and inhumans were not able to take him down.

Originally posted by jasofisc
I know what you mean one second he's getting taken down by some of the least powerful x-men then another time some of the most powerfull x-men and inhumans were not able to take him down.

It could be due to that pit he uses. Maybe when he's fresh out of it, he's like some mini galactus. You know how Galactus is powerful when fed, and only so so powerful when not. Apoc could be like Sky father when well rested and weaker when not. It would explain his all over the place power ratings.

That's partially correct. He is weaker when he's taken out too early. Though even at top strength, he's definitely not skyfather. sweatdrop sweatdrop Alot of it is pure and simple jobbing. He was monstrously powerful, probably enough to fight Surfer, in his classic incarnation. In his newer ones, he jobs to the likes of Cable. Yeah that's right. I think his losing to Cable was jobbing. Cable shouldn't be able to touch Apoc.

Originally posted by TricksterPriest
That's partially correct. He is weaker when he's taken out too early. Though even at top strength, he's definitely not skyfather. sweatdrop sweatdrop Alot of it is pure and simple jobbing. He was monstrously powerful, probably enough to fight Surfer, in his classic incarnation. In his newer ones, he jobs to the likes of Cable. Yeah that's right. I think his losing to Cable was jobbing. Cable shouldn't be able to touch Apoc.

He's got to be sky father at his hieght. At least low lvl. I mean look at who was created to beat him. XMAN an Omega mutant who's power rivaled the phoenix. You dont' create a being that powerful to take out someone who can only obtain herald status. And Apoc was able to fight the HE who is a galactus stalemate. At least that is what I thought. maybe i'm behind in my reading.

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
He's got to be sky father at his hieght. At least low lvl. I mean look at who was created to beat him. XMAN an Omega mutant who's power rivaled the phoenix.

http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y37/Nightmareman95/apocphoenix.png

Originally posted by Evil_Ash
http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y37/Nightmareman95/apocphoenix.png




ooohhh nice scan...this proves my point that Apoc would destroy Thanos at full potential.

Woah, what is that? Is that canon? Phoenix's actual power is impossible to gauge due to her massive PIS and jobbing. But for the sake of arguement......now do you believe me about Apoc being able to beat Surfer?

Originally posted by TricksterPriest
Woah, what is that? Is that canon? Phoenix's actual power is impossible to gauge due to her massive PIS and jobbing. But for the sake of arguement......now do you believe me about Apoc being able to beat Surfer?

I guess I don't ruin every thread as I was the one questioning Apocs power lvls and why someone like xman needs to be created to beat the En Sabur Nur or how ever the hell you spellit..

Originally posted by TricksterPriest
Woah, what is that? Is that canon? Phoenix's actual power is impossible to gauge due to her massive PIS and jobbing. But for the sake of arguement......now do you believe me about Apoc being able to beat Surfer?

A well written nonjobbing Apoc beating Surfer was never in question. That scan does hint that Apoc is truly capable of being in the skyfather level, way beyond lowly heralds. At least he has the potential to be.

Originally posted by masterbruce
A well written nonjobbing Apoc beating Surfer was never in question. That scan does hint that Apoc is truly capable of being in the skyfather level, way beyond lowly heralds. At least he has the potential to be.
Are you on crack?

Helarious... His smoking somethin? thats for sure.. JK

I'm still not holding to the idea of a Skyfather apoc. Beating Surfer as a high mark, yes, but Skyfather? Hell no.

I know that Moodragon is a awesome telepath but who has she actually beaten using the mind gem?

Hmmmm.....good question. What does it mean that I can't think of anyone? I just looked on wiki, and I can't see her beating anybody. Marveldatabase.com doesn't have anything either. Could it be....*gasp* that Moondragon is vastly overrated and that beating her tp should not be considered a benchmark or a feat? I think it should. I believe we can classify her as a 'jobber'

Originally posted by TricksterPriest
Hmmmm.....good question. What does it mean that I can't think of anyone? I just looked on wiki, and I can't see her beating anybody. Marveldatabase.com doesn't have anything either. Could it be....*gasp* that Moondragon is vastly overrated and that beating her tp should not be considered a benchmark or a feat? I think it should. I believe we can classify her as a 'jobber'

I know i mean she lost to strange.struggles with thor and struggles with surfer and beside Charles who the hell has she beaten?

Wait, when did she beat Xavier? Anyway, we know Prof. X jobs like hell. I know for a fact that Apoc's TP should be higher than Moon's or X's.

Originally posted by TricksterPriest
Wait, when did she beat Xavier? Anyway, we know Prof. X jobs like hell. I know for a fact that Apoc's TP should be higher than Moon's or X's.

In Infinity Crusade, Prof. X was communicating with her telepathically. She ended up getting tired of him and blasted him with TP. He was put into a coma because of it.

Someone please post the scan of Apoc running for his life from a namor using a chair for a weapon

Originally posted by Maestro
Someone please post the scan of Apoc running for his life from a namor using a chair for a weapon

Can't believe I'm doing this. I like Apocalypse.

http://img104.imageshack.us/my.php?image=namorvspoccy53gj.jpg

It was a cosmic coffee table!!!

Originally posted by celestialdemon
Can't believe I'm doing this. I like Apocalypse.

http://img104.imageshack.us/my.php?image=namorvspoccy53gj.jpg

Lmao

I hate you guys. That table was chock full of PIS&CIS goodness, not to mention it was a Namor fanboy. You have to admit the writer of that was wanking Namor.

Originally posted by TricksterPriest
I hate you guys. That table was chock full of PIS&CIS goodness, not to mention it was a Namor fanboy. You have to admit the writer of that was wanking Namor.

Oh, I agree. That was just plain dumb. Apocalypse shouldn't have had too much trouble with Namor.

Even underwater, Namor is no match for Apoc. All Apoc had to do was use a heat beam on him and dry him out. That or just fight him to exhaustion. Namor can only sustain his effort for a day, Apoc has unlimited stamina.

Originally posted by celestialdemon
Oh, I agree. That was just plain dumb. Apocalypse shouldn't have had too much trouble with Namor.

it wasn't Namor it was the table!

but seriously was something else going on before hand that depowered Apoc or something?

Originally posted by celestialdemon
Can't believe I'm doing this. I like Apocalypse.

http://img104.imageshack.us/my.php?image=namorvspoccy53gj.jpg

That must've been a pretty strong/heavy/dense table to have broken the bulletproof glass behind Apoc.

Also, just because you're invulnerable, doesn't mean you just stand there like a retard while some naked guy tosses crap at you.

I don't see how Apoc dodging the table is a laughing matter at all. If anything, it should be used as a feat for his agility and speed.

Hmm. Not bad. But his running from Namor was pretty gay. Maybe he was distracted by Namor's thong. Egyptians were pretty liberal back in those days.

Namor's appearance of flaming homosexuality would've certainly offended Apocalypse's unique sensibility, perhaps causing him to react irrationally.

Apocalypse's principle belief is in SURVIVAL. Every species can only survive through having reproduction rate being greater than death rate. Homosexuality would go against that, and would propogate extinction of species rather than survival, which would completely go against everything Apocalypse stands for.

He prob saw in Namor the antithesis of all his closely held core beliefs.

Surfer 9/10.

Originally posted by Evil_Ash
http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y37/Nightmareman95/powers1.png

Apoc just laughed off The big HE's energy blasts. It had no effect. Wow, I didn't see Galactus anywhere in that scan. Try reading what I quoted, before jumping the gun and putting up a scan.

Originally posted by masterbruce
Namor's appearance of flaming homosexuality would've certainly offended Apocalypse's unique sensibility, perhaps causing him to react irrationally.

Apocalypse's principle belief is in SURVIVAL. Every species can only survive through having reproduction rate being greater than death rate. Homosexuality would go against that, and would propogate extinction of species rather than survival, which would completely go against everything Apocalypse stands for.

He prob saw in Namor the antithesis of all his closely held core beliefs.

I can't believe what I'm reading.

Originally posted by masterbruce
That must've been a pretty strong/heavy/dense table to have broken the bulletproof glass behind Apoc.

Also, just because you're invulnerable, doesn't mean you just stand there like a retard while some naked guy tosses crap at you.

I don't see how Apoc dodging the table is a laughing matter at all. If anything, it should be used as a feat for his agility and speed.

Well, because him being the great Apocalypse, he could have done a number of other things to it. He could have blasted it to pieces, put up a shield to block it, teleported away from it, telekinetically stopped it, or just stand there and take the hit with no damage. The fact that he did the most coward-looking act of all makes it laughable.

ummm...dodging something is not cowardly. and it requires the least energy out of all the options you presented.

Originally posted by masterbruce
ummm...dodging something is not cowardly. and it requires the least energy out of all the options you presented.

When you are as proud as Apocalypse it is. What other time has he ever ducked to avoid being hit by something that wouldn't hurt him? And standing there would have required the least amount of energy.

Originally posted by Lord S
Wow, I didn't see Galactus anywhere in that scan. Try reading what I quoted, before jumping the gun and putting up a scan.

Sorry. Your badmouthing about Apoc has made me dilarious.

Originally posted by celestialdemon
When you are as proud as Apocalypse it is. What other time has he ever ducked to avoid being hit by something that wouldn't hurt him? And standing there would have required the least amount of energy.

Actually, he would've expended more energy standing there as he would've had to heal from getting hit.

By dodging, he avoided any injury and showcased his awesome agility.

Surfer wins

im a big apocalypse fan. ive argued for him in fights where most people would write him off without a second thought. this is a fight he cant win. he could give the surfer some trouble, but hes not going to win. both of them can amp their strength to potentially limitless levels, apoc has the advantage in melee combat, but the surfer is too fast to get caught by him.

the surfer is out of apocalypse' league in ranged combat. he weilds the power cosmic, apocalypse doesnt. he can call upon enough power to shatter a planet and last i heard apocalypse still needs oxygen. neither of these two really excell skill wise as far as close combat goes, and the surfer should be able to amp his strength faster by drawing energy from anything and everything.

i cant see how apocalypse can win this. he has energy projection, but he cant match the surfer. hes strong, but the surfer is at least his equal. hes not really that fast, but the surfer is one of the fastest fliers around. hes durable, but the surfer should exceed him in that department too if he uses his powers defensively.

given prep apocalypse could be a serious danger, but even then i think the surfer would overcome him.

as far as the stalemating galactus i dont think its that impressive a feat. hes shown himself as someone whod choose withdrawal than get into a serious fight. hes galactus, he doesnt really have anything to prove, and fighting someone is just wasting energy. if he thinks the fight will cost him more than what he will get our of it he doesnt really seem to mind leaving it unfinished.