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Loot has made a comeback and has fought his way out of the WildCard MiniTournament to face Scoobless one more time. Will Loot have his revenge? Or Will history repeat itself and have Scoobless defeat Loot once again? You decide!

Originally posted by Evangel94
The "Loot vs Scoobless" new match will take place inside:

A very very large version of the X-Men's Danger Room. It will 20 x 20 square miles. The Danger Room will be holographically simulating the Amazon Rainforest at midnight, and once the match begins will be set to the highest maximum lethal danger settings.

The match will take place along a holographically simulated stretch of the amazon river.
http://www.americatravelling.net/peru/the_amazon/images/home-The_Amazon_River.jpg

No person/team may in any way, shape, or form leave the Danger Room. Assume a giant impenetrable field prevents any team member from somehow leaving.


Scoobless


vs

Loot



Remember: All teams retain memory of all their previous matches and with both teams be so close to the end of the tournament, both are fighting harder then ever.

And anyone reading this, feel free to vote to vote as you please as long as you have at least 800 posts.

This match will end in exactly one day, and whomever has the most votes regardless of total number of votes will win.

Write-Ups will be posted by tournament participants. Good luck to both competitors.

One question..... if teams retain memory of previous matches, does Mimic still get to use Cable's power that he mimicked in his last fight?

I still donīt know where the fight is taking place, so iīm just going to write based on characters.

First of all I have to say that scoobless has fought against my team and stars.
I on the other hand have fought against scoobs. Stars, Tricksterpriest, laminator x and tony stark team. Based on this my team should have more combat experience, we have fought more times, against more enemies seeking different strategies.
Most important I have fought scoobs in the past, I have lost, and now can work in a better strategie, we have fought I know why I lost and I know what I have to do to win.

Prep Time:

I have taskmaster in my team, everybody he has seen in combat he can copy, and like iīve stated it was a lot of people.
So iīm going to use surferīs telepathic abilities to create a mind link between my entire team, and share taskmaster knowledge of everything he learned, of course they would also share information they know about scoobs team, banshee knows psylocke and mimic, and wolverine, surferīs knows quasar, etc.
Heres some scans to prove that he can do this:

http://photobucket.com/albums/b305/surfistaprateado/SS_14.jpg
http://photobucket.com/albums/b305/surfistaprateado/Silver_Surfer_1997_128_11.jpg
http://photobucket.com/albums/b305/surfistaprateado/Silver_Surfer_v3_134p15.jpg

Sue will use the suit built by mr fantastic that grant her resistance to telepathic attacks.


The fight

This time I will take first the telepath psylocke.
Surfer will creat a mind link and try to protect sue from telepathic attacks heresīs some scans showing impressive telepathic attacks and protection form surfer:

http://photobucket.com/albums/b305/surfistaprateado/Silver_Surfer_v3_minus1_p21.jpg (using his tp to attack)

http://photobucket.com/albums/b305/surfistaprateado/Infinity_Crusade03-34.jpg (Stand a telepathic bolt of Moodragon with the Soul Gem)

Based on this I think I can protect sue storm form tp attacks, for at least some time, but lets act quickly in case this doesnīt work during much time.

Has this scan proves, silver surfer is way faster then quasar, so I will have him ready to strike at the beginning of the fight. Sue will create a gigantic force field with my team inside, when the fight stars.

Surfer being way faster then quasar:
http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c379/Doggydogg/SurferandQuasar.jpg





He has cosmic awareness his senses are impressive, at the beginning of the fight he will find psylocke

Heīs able to trace a single dust mote across the space ways
http://photobucket.com/albums/b305/surfistaprateado/IncredibleHulk464p07.jpg

Then he will use his superior speed to attack her and destroy her, he already fough quasar constructs he knows better how to destroy them now.

Sensing weakness of the oponnent
http://photobucket.com/albums/b305/surfistaprateado/GalactusTheDevourer5-18a.jpg

destroying quasar constructs easily:
http://photobucket.com/albums/b305/surfistaprateado/CosmicPowersUnlimited05-10.jpg



If this dosnīt work I have a different scenario:

Surfer will put spawn in his board, and when the fight starts he will use all his speed (already proved his faster then quasar) and get to psylocke, I donīt care the incredible speed hurts spawn he will regenerate. After he gets psylocke spawn will teleport her inside sue force bubble and my entire team will destroy her fast. Meanwhile even if quasar attacks sueīs constructs it wonīt matter she resisted galactus attacks, and surfer moves faster then quasar can break her contructs. Why her constructs are still standing if psylock can tp her? Because surfer his helping her blocking tp ,and he his faster then psylock can think in any form of attack, after she is teleported to fight my entire team, she has to protect herself and is not able to concentrate only in sue.
Spawn has fough quasar contructs, and they are vulnerable to magic attacks he should know by all means what specifi type of magic and power to use to affect them.

After this I have silver surfer fighting quasar.

And my entire team, protected by force fields, against scoobs team protected by force fields but without psylocke, then the fight would occur like iīve said in the past, and I have the advantage of having an extra enhanced meta character.

Of course I will try to use my teleportation technique taking scoobs team, one by one.

If by some impossible way, quasar is able to catch surfer after he gets to psylocke, he will send spawn and nightcralwer her localization via TP.

It was stated that if sue isnīt able to use her force fields, I woundīt have them because surfer only uses them to himself, this is incorrect.

First to prove surfer has force fields:

http://photobucket.com/albums/b305/surfistaprateado/Silver_Surfer_1997_125_26.jpg

And now to prove he can protect my team using force field if necessary:

http://photobucket.com/albums/b305/surfistaprateado/Silver_Surfer_v3_134p08.jpg

in here he is Freezing Shia'r ships with a thought impressive

http://photobucket.com/albums/b305/surfistaprateado/X-men_Unlimited_13-14.jpg

If by some miracle, quasar catches surfer before he can find psyloke, like iīve stated he is helping sue mind with his TP, and sue has her suit that grants her some resistance to TP, so she will be able to hold her force field for some time, against psylocke attacks.
Surfer then will tell the exact location of psylocke to spawn and nightcralwer so they can teleport her. If you donīt believe surfer can do that while heīs facing quasar, then he would create a force field to protected himself (see above) and have time to send his toughts to my team.

Originally posted by Scoobless
One question..... if teams retain memory of previous matches, does Mimic still get to use Cable's power that he mimicked in his last fight?

Yes. And any powers he mimicked during the any of the previous matches. But absolutely no powers that he hasn't encountered in this tournament. Also, Mimic can only mimic a total of 5 powers, so you have to be VERY clear on which powers mimic takes into this battle.

All team members, including Loot's team will retain previous memory of their battles. INCLUDING how they lost. So previous strategies may not necessarily work. So some new strategies may in order. Loot's team may not fall for the same ol' tricks.

Quasar
Mimic (Exiles)
Psylocke
Marvel Boy
Wolverine
Hawkeye
Ultimate Hawkeye

Mimic currently has the powers of - Cyclops, Northstar, Colossus, Cable, Deadpool.
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During the prep Quasar armours himself up to be even more durable than in the last match ... and then gives the rest of the team their grouping-relevent armour of their own

He then gives both of the Hawkeyes powerful Quantum arrows which cannot be broken with sonics.

He creates a large dome over our team

As the battlefield is holographic, we have another advantage (as Quasar controls all light) .... he'll be able to shield Psylocke far from danger and also raise the energy output of large parts of the holographic landscape to put out energy patterns that are the same as her bio signs ... along with her natural telepathic defences she will be completely undetectable.

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The battle strategy will be a little different this time around.

Quasar will still be dealing with Surfer (as there aren't many other options there)

This time, with Mimic's altered power-set, he and Psylocke will both mentally target Invisible Woman ... and even though there's no prof that her costume contains psi-blocks, Mimic will telekinetically rip it from her just to be on the safe side .... now that she's completely defenceless (and naked), Psylocke continues to assault her until she passes out (all the while shielded, armoured, hidden and psi-screened)

With IW out of it, Mimic will psi-track, find, TP disorientate and TK headbut Nightcrawler for a KO ... he then ditches his Cyclops' eyebeams for Nightcrawler's teleportation abilities.

With the ability to port through any shielding and completely surprise attack any member of Loot's team Mimic will have a huge advantage over the rest of the field .... he steals NC's swords and ports over to Spawn, holds him with TK and, using Northstar's speed, stabs/slices him 500 times in 10 seconds, removing his limbs and tearing his body to pieces.

Depending on the starting distance from the other team there are a few options for the other team members.

If they are 5 miles or more away then there's not much they can do at first except start moving towards them (pointed in the right direction by Psylocke)

If they are only a mile or so away, Wolverine and Noh-Varr will hunt down and kill Taskmaster and Shang Chi while the Hawkeyes use their range/accuracy advantage to take down Banshee.

If, by some fluke, Invisible Woman is still Conscious, Mimic ports over behind her and punches her out or TK headbuts her (if she managed to use a shield)

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During all of this Quasar has been fighting Surfer.... this time, however, his strategy is to contain him while the others take care of Loot's lower classes.

To do this he will simply encase Surfer in a tight Quantum shield, then another around that, then another around that, etc, etc ... all the while increasing the strength of the fields as he goes.... think of it like being trapped inside MDf covered in wood covered in iron covered in steel covered in adamantium (relatively speaking of course, the "MDF" layer will actually be stong enough to hold Hulk level characters) and all the while Quasar will be draining power from the Surfer.

Once the rest of the team has done their thing they will be placed in an extremely strong Q-shield where Mimic and Psylocke can focus their joined powers on TP attacking Surfer .... now we don't expect this to take him out, but it will be a hell of a distraction for him ... and when Quasar drops the shields and starts pummeling him the Surfer wont last long against the combined assault

Originally posted by Loot
It was stated that if sue isnīt able to use her force fields, I woundīt have them because surfer only uses them to himself, this is incorrect.

First to prove surfer has force fields:

http://photobucket.com/albums/b305/surfistaprateado/Silver_Surfer_1997_125_26.jpg


Yes Surfer can create shields ... but others can't use them or move around with them ... if he covers his team in shields then they will be stuck wherever he leaves them.

Same deal with Invisible Woman's shields.

Covering your team with shields leaves them sitting ducks ... tx.

Originally posted by Scoobless
Yes Surfer can create shields ... but others can't use them or move around with them ... if he covers his team in shields then they will be stuck wherever he leaves them.

Same deal with Invisible Woman's shields.

Covering your team with shields leaves them sitting ducks ... tx.

not when you have teleporters on your team, then can take one by one of your members to inside the shield where my team is prepared to fight them

Originally posted by Scoobless


This time, with Mimic's altered power-set, he and Psylocke will both mentally target Invisible Woman ... and even though there's no prof that her costume contains psi-blocks, Mimic will telekinetically rip it from her just to be on the safe side .... now that she's completely defenceless (and naked), Psylocke continues to assault her until she passes out (all the while shielded, armoured, hidden and psi-screened)

Once the rest of the team has done their thing they will be placed in an extremely strong Q-shield where Mimic and Psylocke can focus their joined powers on TP attacking Surfer .... now we don't expect this to take him out, but it will be a hell of a distraction for him ... and when Quasar drops the shields and starts pummeling him the Surfer wont last long against the combined assault

i wasnīt able to prove sue can block telepathy but i proved she blocked TK attacks, in the issue she fought jean grey remember? so mimic will not rip her suit easily.

second of all your plan of puttinh quasar constructs around surfer is not going to work, i mean surfer will not instantly kill quasar because you took the prep time to made them and are more powerful, a normal construct can easily be destroyed by surfer as we see here:
http://photobucket.com/albums/b305/...imited05-10.jpg

your assuming he can create more force fileds faster then surfer can destroy his first, and more important you are forgeting his speed, he will not be immobile while you make a force filed around him.
Surfer already fought quasar in the tournament he knows the exact amount of power he has to give to destroy a quasar contruct.
i know this scans are from Annihilation, but iīve only put them as reference, to show surfer most of the times holds back, but when necessary he is capable of extraordinay feats, he fought with quasar before, heīs more prepared to destroy his shields this time, and destroy him.

http://i126.photobucket.com/albums/p105/Manjaro_/Annihilation5004.jpg
http://i126.photobucket.com/albums/p105/Manjaro_/Annihilation5005.jpg
http://i126.photobucket.com/albums/p105/Manjaro_/Annihilation5006.jpg
http://i126.photobucket.com/albums/p105/Manjaro_/Annihilation5007.jpg


My team already fought cable and beat him, cable knows better how to work his powers then mimic, more experience and he was beaten by my team. more importan mimic can only use 50% of cableīs power and this is cable with techno organic virus,
i mean by the rules mimic wonīt copy 50% of god like cables power since mimic doesnīt have the tecnho virus, he will copy only 50% of techno virus cable level.

And since my team already beat cable, with the mind link iīve made in prep everybody will remember how cable was taken out, and i have the great photografic memory of taskmaster ti share with my team.

Quasar
Mimic (Exiles)
Psylocke
Marvel Boy
Wolverine
Hawkeye
Ultimate Hawkeye

Mimic currently has the powers of - Cycl

... I did NOT just post that.

Originally posted by Loot
i wasnīt able to prove sue can block telepathy but i proved she blocked TK attacks, in the issue she fought jean grey remember? so mimic will not rip her suit easily.

No, you showed one occasion her shields were able to help her against a TK user by throwing everyone back and at that time she was not under the TP attack of two experienced telepaths.

Originally posted by Loot
second of all your plan of puttinh quasar constructs around surfer is not going to work, i mean surfer will not instantly kill quasar because you took the prep time to made them and are more powerful, a normal construct can easily be destroyed by surfer as we see here:
http://photobucket.com/albums/b305/...imited05-10.jpg

A small bubble that was designed to slow Surfer down so they could talk .... Battle shields are about a million times stronger.

Originally posted by Loot
your assuming he can create more force fileds faster then surfer can destroy his first

Yes, as They have withstood the combined barrage of the entire Imperial Guard for minutes:

http://img510.imageshack.us/img510/206/quasar032126xd.th.jpg

And against a powerful group of Earth's heroes:

http://img480.imageshack.us/img480/5249/quasar38120vn.th.jpg http://img480.imageshack.us/img480/8203/quasar38137pe.th.jpg http://img480.imageshack.us/img480/8166/quasar38147lm.th.jpg

And, more importantly, against Galactus:

http://img263.imageshack.us/img263/7806/fantasticfour522080ao.th.jpg

All of those shields took only a thought to create.

So yes, I believe they will last more than the one second required against Surfer so that he can form more and more on top of that first shield.

Originally posted by Loot
and more important you are forgeting his speed

Not at all, in that scan you keep showing, Surfer is trying to get away from Quasar ... and failing ... which shows that Surfer isn't fast enough to escape him.

Originally posted by Loot
Surfer already fought quasar in the tournament he knows the exact amount of power he has to give to destroy a quasar contruct.

No he doesn't because Q-constructs aren't all created at the same levels ... and Surfer lost that match.

Originally posted by Loot
i know this scans are from Annihilation, but iīve only put them as reference, to show surfer most of the times holds back, but when necessary he is capable of extraordinay feats, he fought with quasar before, heīs more prepared to destroy his shields this time, and destroy him.

More prepared than when he was fighting for the survival of the Universe? ... I highly doubt it.

Originally posted by Loot
http://i126.photobucket.com/albums/p105/Manjaro_/Annihilation5004.jpg
http://i126.photobucket.com/albums/p105/Manjaro_/Annihilation5005.jpg
http://i126.photobucket.com/albums/p105/Manjaro_/Annihilation5006.jpg
http://i126.photobucket.com/albums/p105/Manjaro_/Annihilation5007.jpg

Those scans don't really show anything other than Surf turning a machine on and passing out.

Originally posted by Loot
My team already fought cable and beat him, cable knows better how to work his powers then mimic, more experience and he was beaten by my team. more importan mimic can only use 50% of cableīs power and this is cable with techno organic virus, i mean by the rules mimic wonīt copy 50% of god like cables power since mimic doesnīt have the tecnho virus, he will copy only 50% of techno virus cable level.

Mimic had Jean Grey's powers for half his life ... which is basically what he's got here .... TK and TP

And 50% of TO Cable is still 50% of the TK & TP limits for the E-meta group ... which is still quite impressive.

Originally posted by Loot
And since my team already beat cable, with the mind link iīve made in prep everybody will remember how cable was taken out, and i have the great photografic memory of taskmaster ti share with my team.

Yeah, you got past Cable ... not Cable with super strength, super durability, super speed, teleportation and regeneration on top of his TK and TP.

Mimic is not Cable.

Originally posted by Scoobless

Not at all, in that scan you keep showing, Surfer is trying to get away from Quasar ... and failing ... which shows that Surfer isn't fast enough to escape him.



NO they donīt, they show the two of them flying to get to somewhere and quasar is saying that he canīt go as fast as him.
Surfer would be able to dodge your constructs more important he can also create force fields aroun quasar, like showed in the previous scan, who can withsand also great amounts of power.

Surfer knows the quantum bands pretty well, he already used them in the pass, he knows their strength and their weakness.


Originally posted by Scoobless

Those scans don't really show anything other than Surf turning a machine on and passing out.



That machine needed the amount of power that Thanos has. Surfer was completly wasted and he was still able to reach thar level, but this was after his upgrade, its just meant to shown when necessary he is capable of impressive things, most of the times he jobs, in this tournament he will fight at his max.

It needed some of Thanos' power because it was attuned to him ... it didn't need anything close to his full power.

Originally posted by Loot
Surfer would be able to dodge your constructs.

No he wouldn't, they form out of nothing too fast to be dodged mid battle.

Originally posted by Loot
more important he can also create force fields aroun quasar, like showed in the previous scan, who can withsand also great amounts of power.

If he wants to give Quasar more energy then that's exactly what he should do ... Quasar will absorb the shields and throw the energy straight back at Surfer.

Originally posted by Loot
Surfer knows the quantum bands pretty well, he already used them in the pass, he knows their strength and their weakness

No he hasn't, he used them in an alternate timeline which has no bearing here.

And they don't have a weakness that Surfer can exploit.

Originally posted by Scoobless
It needed some of Thanos' power because it was attuned to him ... it didn't need anything close to his full power.

and still no one in there could have done it.
it was a completly tired surfer, it was impressive. The amount of power he can generate when the life of someone is at stake (in this case the universe) is monstrous.

Originally posted by Loot
and still no one in there could have done it.

You mean Mondragon and Drax? .... neither of them generate power to begin with.

Originally posted by Scoobless
You mean Mondragon and Drax? .... neither of them generate power to begin with.

Moondragon - "Thanos was near power incarnate"

and then surfer did it.
it was just meant to show when someone big is at stake surfer is capable of montrous things. he has proved this in more ocassions the prob is i just have this scan of something like that, tahts why iīve used this one.

All heroes pull out the big feats in the most dire situations though.

Quasar has done it plenty of times ... such as that scan I posted of him holding back Galactus to save the Fantastic Four.

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This thread is only up for a day and I'm pretty tired from working this week .... I doubt I'll be able to post much more after the next hour or so.

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(whole team is Q-armoured)

Basic recap:

Quasar - Uses Quantum containment against Surfer with shields that have held back Galactus and scores of the top "class 100" characters a number of times.

Mimic - strips IW, KO's Nightcrawler, steals teleporting powers/swords, uses them to sneak up on Spawn and blitzes him down using all his powers at once (TP, TK, Speed, Strength + swords) ... later takes out IW and other stragglers depending on distance.

Psylocke (completely hidden) - Focuses on IW, when she's down helps out the rest then joins Mimic in TP assault on Surfer.

Wolverine/Noh-Varr - take out Loot's street guys.

Hawkeyes - take out Banshee.

Quasar/Psylocke/Mimic - finish off Surfer.

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For more detail see my intro post.

Originally posted by Scoobless
All heroes pull out the big feats in the most dire situations though.

Quasar has done it plenty of times ... such as that scan I posted of him holding back Galactus to save the Fantastic Four.

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This thread is only up for a day and I'm pretty tired from working this week .... I doubt I'll be able to post much more after the next hour or so.

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(whole team is Q-armoured)

Basic recap:

Quasar - Uses Quantum containment against Surfer with shields that have held back Galactus and scores of the top "class 100" characters a number of times.

Mimic - strips IW, KO's Nightcrawler, steals teleporting powers/swords, uses them to sneak up on Spawn and blitzes him down using all his powers at once (TP, TK, Speed, Strength + swords) ... later takes out IW and other stragglers depending on distance.

Psylocke (completely hidden) - Focuses on IW, when she's down helps out the rest then joins Mimic in TP assault on Surfer.

Wolverine/Noh-Varr - take out Loot's street guys.

Hawkeyes - take out Banshee.

Quasar/Psylocke/Mimic - finish off Surfer.

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For more detail see my intro post.

Surfer can also Turn off a ship's system with a thought

http://photobucket.com/albums/b305/surfistaprateado/ss_enslavers_42.jpg

and Recharge the nanotech armor of Alicia Masters

http://photobucket.com/albums/b305/surfistaprateado/GalactusTheDevourer2-13.jpg
http://photobucket.com/albums/b305/surfistaprateado/GalactusTheDevourer2-14.jpg

iīm showing this for 2 reason, one he can built invisible woman suit back, he can even built one for each member of the team. and second is because of mar-vellīs technology, that surfer can shut down, or even control.

He wont be doing any of that from inside an unending mass of Quantum shields that are imprisoning him.

Originally posted by Scoobless
He wont be doing any of that from inside an unending mass of Quantum shields that are imprisoning him.

i could say the same form quasar, surfer containing him in a force field, surferīs faster so he wont be catch in quasar force field and more easily use one on quasar, and by the way he would do that from inside a force field.

Quasar can easily absorb Surfers field energy, Surfer cannot absorb solid Q constructs.

Originally posted by Scoobless
Quasar can easily absorb Surfers field energy, Surfer cannot absorb solid Q constructs.

show me when has he done so?

To do that you'd have to show me a time Surfer trapped Quasar inside an energy bubble.



It's common knowledge that Quasar can absorb pretty much any type of energy ... and he has absorbed power cosmic straight out of heralds in the past... including Firelord, Nova and the Silver Surfer.

Originally posted by Scoobless
To do that you'd have to show me a time Surfer trapped Quasar inside an energy bubble.



It's common knowledge that Quasar can absorb pretty much any type of energy ... and he has absorbed power cosmic straight out of heralds in the past... including Firelord, Nova and the Silver Surfer.

surfer can create a force field, by all means it shows that he can make one on quasar.

do you have at least quasar absorbing a force field?

and to quasar put surfer in a force field he has to be able to react to his speed, and surferīs faster

Surfer has another big advantage over quasar. When my team is hurt and tired, he can heal them. Imagine that we are loosing, silver surfer will use his powers to heal them.

Here he his healing thor
http://photobucket.com/albums/b305/surfistaprateado/Avengers_v2_012_38.jpg

Here he is healing thousand of persons
http://photobucket.com/albums/b305/surfistaprateado/CosPowUnlim_1996_004_27.jpg
http://photobucket.com/albums/b305/surfistaprateado/CosPowUnlim_1996_004_28.jpg


If surfer gets tired, he can absorb energy and use it as cosmic energy.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v345/sifu1/solar2.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v345/sifu1/solar4.jpg


Here he is absorbing energy from a sun and redirect it
http://photobucket.com/albums/b305/surfistaprateado/Homecoming47.jpg
http://photobucket.com/albums/b305/surfistaprateado/Homecoming48.jpg

has proved above, surfer can create force fieds and his faster then quasar, he could very well be the first locking quasar in a force field before the other way around.
http://photobucket.com/albums/b305/surfistaprateado/Silver_Surfer_v3_146_12.jpg

he can lock him and in the meantime he can use his power cosmic to attack the other team members

Has proved by the following scans he can fight without his board, and make the board be used by someone else
http://photobucket.com/albums/b305/surfistaprateado/GalactusTheDevourer2-13.jpg
http://photobucket.com/albums/b305/surfistaprateado/GalactusTheDevourer2-14.jpg

for example he could put spawn using the board or even command the board to do this to mimic or psylocke:

http://www.killermovies.com/forums/attachment.php?s=&postid=5186690

And the most important thing surfer can create Internal Attack, quasar and surfer are friends, and he is pacifist so doensīt usually does this. But he can use the power cosmic to create an internal attack:

http://photobucket.com/albums/b305/surfistaprateado/Cosmic_Powers_Unlimited_03_21.jpg

He's not faster where it counts. When they were both fighting for the fate of the Universe Surfer couldn't avoid his blasts and was even knocked off his board.

They seem about equal in speed here:

http://img277.imageshack.us/my.php?image=quasar050336qc.jpg

And he's not fast enough to avoid this:

http://img277.imageshack.us/my.php?image=quasar050343zo.jpg

And not powerful enough to take Quasar out easily even when Quasar is trying to lose ... and that's without Q-armour:

http://img277.imageshack.us/my.php?image=quasar050387iq.jpg

Surfer is fast when he's flying in a straight line or between planets ... in an small (relatively speaking) enclosed battlefield he has no speed advantage at all.

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Originally posted by Loot
Surfer has another big advantage over quasar. When my team is hurt and tired, he can heal them. Imagine that we are loosing, silver surfer will use his powers to heal them.

He wont be healing anyone from inside a force field

Originally posted by Loot
has proved above, surfer can create force fieds and his faster then quasar, he could very well be the first locking quasar in a force field before the other way around.

He has no speed advantage and Quasar is a better energy manipulator than Surfer.

And why would Surfer be trying to trap Quasar ... you stated nothing about it in your prep, this is obviously taking him by surprise.

Originally posted by Loot
Has proved by the following scans he can fight without his board, and make the board be used by someone else

And without the Board he has no speed to speak of ... welcome to the world of being trapped inside shields forever.

Originally posted by Loot
And the most important thing surfer can create Internal Attack, quasar and surfer are friends, and he is pacifist so doensÂīt usually does this. But he can use the power cosmic to create an internal attack:

Jack of Hearts is a being composed of energy which is why Surfer could easily effect him like that ... Quasar has done worse to him by accident when he was less experienced.

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Ok, I need to go.

If this is still up late tomorrow afternoon I may manage one or two more posts.

If not, good match Loot.

i hate that fight, its kinda lame.

yep iīm leaving too, got to sleep, have a presentation tomorrow.

and thanks, iīm trying to do better

Surfer can create power inside a persons body, you donīt have to have a body made by energy.
You were saying about the prep? I canīt lock quasar in a shield during prep, only after the fight begins, read your prep time you also canīt lock surfer. I was posting the strategy when the fight began as you.

Here is surfer destroying a powerful force field from Ghaur in seconds. I coulndīt find the 2 image in the internet so I scanned it from my own comic, its in Portuguese.
http://img408.imageshack.us/img408/1087/silversurfervslordghaurva1.jpg
http://img404.imageshack.us/img404/7892/img035ey6.jpg


he his faster in any way, comparing to quasar, his reflexes are superior as well.

Thinking and moving in superspeed
http://www.geocities.com/bruno_nojunk/type-reflexes-9.html

http://photobucket.com/albums/b305/surfistaprateado/ss_enslavers_39.jpg


The location of the fight is the danger room, holograms are easy for surfer to create and manipulate, he can also play with the field, he can also shut down the holograms and I know exactly from where your team members are attacking. And surfer can find anyone in nanoseconds. And communicate it via TP like I proved in the first post

Its probably not allowed but surfer could create clones of himself in prep time, and we could have two surfers fighting in my team. its not fair, but funny though
http://photobucket.com/albums/b305/surfistaprateado/Silver_Surfer_vol3_127-17.jpg
http://photobucket.com/albums/b305/surfistaprateado/Silver_Surfer_vol3_127-18.jpg

It looks like someone else made that clone ... the lab, the table ... the little bald claiming he was responsible.

Surfer proved he had no significant speed advantage over Quasar when they fought ... in fact I don't think Surfer managed to dodge a single attack of Quasar's

Quasar's shields >>>>>>>> that guy's shields which is why he could hold off an angry Galactus (for a short time)

I wanted to end this today and have been waiting for votes to come in, but since there are no votes at the moment, and the debate seems to be going well, I'm going to extend the match until at the very least tommorow. When at that time, I will review the match to see if they are enough votes to end it.

Good debating, both of you.

Originally posted by Scoobless
It looks like someone else made that clone ... the lab, the table ... the little bald claiming he was responsible.

Surfer proved he had no significant speed advantage over Quasar when they fought ... in fact I don't think Surfer managed to dodge a single attack of Quasar's

Quasar's shields >>>>>>>> that guy's shields which is why he could hold off an angry Galactus (for a short time)

i actually think the cloning thing is forbiden by the rules, or eles i could explore that, showing surfer evolve life etc, donīt know if i could go somewhere with this, but since i do believe its not allowed i wonīt bother.

that fight is crap and you know it

you said quasar shields are solid constructs, shouldnīt surfer be able to phase trough them then?

if its necessary i can post surfer phasing scans.

Why do you think that fight is crap? because the over rated Surfer didn't win on his own merit?

Quasar is around the same level as Surfer ... better in some areas, a touch behind him in others..... energy manipulation and absorbtion is an example of an area where Quasar >>> Surfer.

They're solid quantum energy .... they can still be manipulated by the quantum bands but the energy is alien to the 616 universe and can't be manipulated by non-band wearers.......

It's weird ....

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Man, I'm really tired tonight again.... see ya tomorrow.

sleep

Originally posted by Scoobless
Why do you think that fight is crap? because the over rated Surfer didn't win on his own merit?

Quasar is around the same level as Surfer ... better in some areas, a touch behind him in others..... energy manipulation and absorbtion is an example of an area where Quasar >>> Surfer.

They're solid quantum energy .... they can still be manipulated by the quantum bands but the energy is alien to the 616 universe and can't be manipulated by non-band wearers.......

It's weird ....

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Man, I'm really tired tonight again.... see ya tomorrow.

sleep

i donīt like the fight because from surfer and quasar i would expect a better fight. plus its the typical fight between two heroes when we donīt have a winner in the end. that fight doesnīt prove that surfer can beat quasar nor that quasar can beat surfer. it could be a great fight though even not proving anything, but its not.

about the quantum bands, i was just thinking if surfer could phase trough them, not manipulate them, manipulate him instead, so he con pass trough them.
if thereīs a way of destroying more easily the quantum contructs, or pass trough them etc, surfer knows it since he already used them and was perfectly aware of what they can do.

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see you tomorrow

The bands were created by one of the more powerful entities in the universe .... I doubt they could be phased through ... and any time I've seen Surfer "phase" it's been due to him altering the molecules of the object he's passing through.

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Doesn't look like anyone is reading this.

Very good match up guys!

Can anyone vote?

Originally posted by Galan007
Very good match up guys!

Can anyone vote?

As long as you have at least 800 posts on KMC forums, then yes anyone can vote.

Originally posted by Scoobless
The bands were created by one of the more powerful entities in the universe .... I doubt they could be phased through ... and any time I've seen Surfer "phase" it's been due to him altering the molecules of the object he's passing through.

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Doesn't look like anyone is reading this.



but as i said, surfer has used the bands and knows their power and limitations, as these scans show, for 500 years Aron taught him how to use the quantum bands to their maximum potential. 500 years!!!

http://img167.imageshack.us/img167/3231/keeper4training3mz9.jpg
http://img167.imageshack.us/img167/9868/keeper4training4iv8.jpg

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i was thinking the same thing, donīt know if its because the other tournament, or if simply people are too busy this month, i know i am, the end of a semestre is always busy.

For 500 years an alternate Surfer in the future used the bands .... 616 Surfer has never used them.

Originally posted by Scoobless
For 500 years an alternate Surfer in the future used the bands .... 616 Surfer has never used them.

correct my surfer is from 616. I was so glad to find those scans that didnīt realise this. my mistake.

in that case i can only base his knowledge in our previous fight, as iīve said before, surfer already fought quasar in this tournament, he has study the way quasar uses the bands, and what are their level of power and their weakness.

The Q bands don't have a weakness the Surfer can exploit but Quasar has studied Surfer and knows how to create an armour that prevent the Surfer from harming him with energy blasts.

Vote - Scoobless.

Just to get this god damned thing over with, .

can you just say why, just curious in knowing the motives

Vote- Scoobless.

Seems like he's had you on the back foot for most of the debate to be honest.

so you think my strategy wonīt work, using surfer TP to protect sue making her able to sustain her shields?
surfer was able to resist moondragon with mind gem he should be able to resist psylocke or even a 50% tp of a tecnho organic cable.

Great debate.

Voting for Loot

He's really improved, IMO, and is doing well enough and holding his own here. In addition, his team appears to have the base power advantage.

Besides, I wanted to be controversial.

http://www.marveldatabase.com/Quasar_%28Wendell_Vaughn%29

Quasar Known Limitations:

Quasar must limit contact with the Earth's surface while the Ego spore is contained within him.

More complex and powerful constructs take more time to create. An incomplete construct is of little use.

Quantum energy forms do not protect against psionic (aside from telepathy, which his bands are set to jam), magical, and/or extradimensional energies such as Darkforce.

His programmed automatic defenses will only trigger on energies he can control. For example, he would have to put up a shield to stop a bullet, although a laser would be automatically defended against.

Quasar is very limited against matter manipulation ; he can only try to block the energy used to perform it.

Quasar was unable to use his bands when the Anomaly-powered Maelstrom used a form or kinetic/inertial control to keep him from moving.

Overuse of cosmic awareness can cause insanity.

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Silver Surfer is a master matter manipulator

Spawnīs power is magic, he will be able to penetrate in quasar shields, that are protecting his team mates.


thanks juggs, and thanks spunky for the vote, at least i wonīt have zero

Ego is currently deposited in the Quantum Universe so he wont be a problem ... and the reason he's insode Quasar is that Surfer couldn't handle the job.

Q's quantum aura, which stopped the Surfer before, is up constantly through these battles and his armour only serves to further increase his durability/strength.

Quasar >>> Surfer with energy absorbtion, output and manipulation.

Quasar >>> Surfer in H2H combat (martial artist and combat trained SHIELD agent)
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Spawn was taken out by Mimic at superspeed so he's of little consequence.

In fact, Mimic took out half your team on his own and that was never succesfully countered ..... his speed gives him a major advantage over ever E-meta and below on your team and all his other abilities make it possible for him to get the KOs once his speed gets him there.

Originally posted by Scoobless
Ego is currently deposited in the Quantum Universe so he wont be a problem ... and the reason he's insode Quasar is that Surfer couldn't handle the job.

Q's quantum aura, which stopped the Surfer before, is up constantly through these battles and his armour only serves to further increase his durability/strength.

Quasar >>> Surfer with energy absorbtion, output and manipulation.

Quasar >>> Surfer in H2H combat (martial artist and combat trained SHIELD agent)
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Spawn was taken out by Mimic at superspeed so he's of little consequence.

In fact, Mimic took out half your team on his own and that was never succesfully countered ..... his speed gives him a major advantage over ever E-meta and below on your team and all his other abilities make it possible for him to get the KOs once his speed gets him there.

matter manipulation has prove effective against quasar, and iīm not convinced quasar is a better energy manipulator.

this two wonīt be fighting kung fu for the record, you donīt see galactus and odin performing amazing feats of martial arts do you?

Mimic canīt take ou my team like that, we are protected by force fields.
And Spawn will not be taken out taht easily even if he didnīt had protection. Mimic doensīt have weapons, even if he had, spawn can regenerate, spawan can augment his speed and durability, he can use his magic to affect quasar constructs and put mimic to sleep. and he is a teleporter he would catch mimic by suprise.

Matter manip requires energy to pass through his energy shield in the first place, which wont happen, any energy that can harm Quasar is immediately shielded against.

H2H usually does come in to most comic characters lives at some point ... Galactus recently went H2H with Tenebrous and Odin has had plenty of physical scraps. Surfer has lost fist fights a few times due to his lack of training/natural ability ... probably stems from his passifist culture.
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Spawn isn't catching Mimic by surprise or by anything else, Mimic's telepathy speed and teleportation will keep him 5 steps ahead of Spawn at all times... his strength, speed, durability and regeneration would put him miles ahead even in a straight up fist fight. The new TP/TK powers are jsut icing on the cake.

And let's not forget that Spawn doesn't know Mimic's capabilities anymore as they've changed throughout the matches, whereas Spawn's have remained pretty much the same.

Originally posted by Scoobless
Matter manip requires energy to pass through his energy shield in the first place, which wont happen, any energy that can harm Quasar is immediately shielded against.

H2H usually does come in to most comic characters lives at some point ... Galactus recently went H2H with Tenebrous and Odin has had plenty of physical scraps. Surfer has lost fist fights a few times due to his lack of training/natural ability ... probably stems from his passifist culture.
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Spawn isn't catching Mimic by surprise or by anything else, Mimic's telepathy speed and teleportation will keep him 5 steps ahead of Spawn at all times... his strength, speed, durability and regeneration would put him miles ahead even in a straight up fist fight. The new TP/TK powers are jsut icing on the cake.

And let's not forget that Spawn doesn't know Mimic's capabilities anymore as they've changed throughout the matches, whereas Spawn's have remained pretty much the same.

then why is it a limitation to quasar?
Spawn already fought mimic, he may not know the exact powers he has but he knows that he can copy them. and you are assuming mimic gets teleportation, witch he will not have, he can only copy that from nightcralwer, but he will be busy fighting spawn. and spwan isnīt a mutant so he wonīt copy his teleportation.

And if my original plan works, mimic will be fighting my entire team inside a force bubble that withsand galactus, so it will withsand your team while iīm defeating one by one of your team members

I'm going to extend this match to monday. This will be the last extension.

Originally posted by Loot
then why is it a limitation to quasar?
Spawn already fought mimic, he may not know the exact powers he has but he knows that he can copy them. and you are assuming mimic gets teleportation, witch he will not have, he can only copy that from nightcralwer, but he will be busy fighting spawn. and spwan isnīt a mutant so he wonīt copy his teleportation.

And if my original plan works, mimic will be fighting my entire team inside a force bubble that withsand galactus, so it will withsand your team while iīm defeating one by one of your team members

It's a limitation because he can't directly manipulate matter himself.

If your team is all behind a force field then my team's telepaths and energy manipulator will know all about it and the only ones trapped will be your guys as they can't move the field by themselves

Originally posted by Scoobless
It's a limitation because he can't directly manipulate matter himself.

If your team is all behind a force field then my team's telepaths and energy manipulator will know all about it and the only ones trapped will be your guys as they can't move the field by themselves

we been over this, i have teleporters that can quicly grab your team one by one.
the scenario is made of holograms that surfer can shut donw, no place to hide
and i actualy can move the force field since sue is in there controling the force filed using force fileds as weapons as well.

you on the other hand canīt control your force fields because quasar is busy fighting surfer.

My team is all wearing quantum armour instead of force fields, I have two powerful telepaths, one of whom can move at half lightspeed ... you're not doing any kidnapping and nothing your team does is "quick" to Mimic.

Sue isn't doing anything with force fields when she's being mindraped.

Surfer isn't actively manipulating holograms or force fields when he's busy being trapped in a nearly indestructible force bubble by Quasar.... who then takes a second or two, when Surfer is tied up, to absorb whatever shields are left around your team.

My Q-armour gives my team superior durability and strength in every level of the drafts.

Originally posted by Scoobless
My team is all wearing quantum armour instead of force fields, I have two powerful telepaths, one of whom can move at half lightspeed ... you're not doing any kidnapping and nothing your team does is "quick" to Mimic.

Sue isn't doing anything with force fields when she's being mindraped.

Surfer isn't actively manipulating holograms or force fields when he's busy being trapped in a nearly indestructible force bubble by Quasar.... who then takes a second or two, when Surfer is tied up, to absorb whatever shields are left around your team.

My Q-armour gives my team superior durability and strength in every level of the drafts.

for that to happen you have to be able to catch surfer in a force field. with surfer superior speed, its not going to happen.
Surfer will be protecting sue with TP, so sue will have surfer protected by a force field.
If necessary surfer will create a force field to protect him, and while quasar attacks his force field he will have time to activate holograms or heal my team, so they can continue fighting your until we win.

Mimic is fast i grant you that, but he canīt be at two places at the same time. I have two teleporters, mimic would have to choose who he would attack, and by doing so he would loose a team member each time. he canīt be in two places at the same time (he doesnīt have multiple man powers)

I got to vote for Loot.

You keep going on and on about Surfer's speed ... which is pretty much the same as Quasar's speed.

Also, in a battlefield that is only 20 miles across, if he hits a mere 10% of his top speed even Surfer wouldn't be able to react in time to avoid smacking into the impenetrable boundaries.

The simple fact is that A huge percentage of Surfer's speed is useless to him in this match and therefore he cannot escape captue, he can't help out the rest of your team and your whole strategy falls to pieces.

Originally posted by Scoobless
You keep going on and on about Surfer's speed ... which is pretty much the same as Quasar's speed.

Also, in a battlefield that is only 20 miles across, if he hits a mere 10% of his top speed even Surfer wouldn't be able to react in time to avoid smacking into the impenetrable boundaries.

The simple fact is that A huge percentage of Surfer's speed is useless to him in this match and therefore he cannot escape captue, he can't help out the rest of your team and your whole strategy falls to pieces.

Quasar is not as fast as surfer.
Prove me that quasar has reflexes has fast as these:
http://photobucket.com/albums/b305/surfistaprateado/marvel_comics_presents_001-29.jpg

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thanks hulk10

Prove to me that what Surfer happened to be thinking at the time has any scientific merit.

The fact that Surfer has been beaten on by Thanos, Gladiator, Durok, Skreet, Lunatic, Hulk, Quasar, Thor, Odin, Loki and many others proves that he does not have "nano second" reaction times.

Though bubbles do not = facts.

Scoob, your argument against Surfer doesnt hold, you could say that about Superman being hurted by people, assuming he does not have lighting fast reflexes. Its called PIS.

Explain why would he have a reference to a explicit "nanosecond" instead of any other time frame, people just dont think about the word nanosecond when referring time, it was obviously intended to make a speed reference. In my opinion, you are better off trying to argue that Quasar has also super speed than trying to dismiss the same ability in the surfer.

Surfer being beaten by hulk
If surfer is beaten by most of the guys you mentioned is because heīs not fighting at his best and you know it, or its the worst piece of writing iīve ever saw.

Odin is skyfather level, nothing surfer can do to him will do any harm.

You guys suck.

I'm retracting my previous vote. I'm becoming slightly swayed...and am unsure as of yet.

Loot may actually pull this out here.

Originally posted by Loot
Surfer being beaten by hulk
If surfer is beaten by most of the guys you mentioned is because heīs not fighting at his best and you know it, or its the worst piece of writing iīve ever saw.

Odin is skyfather level, nothing surfer can do to him will do any harm.

Yes, Surfer got beaten on by the Hulk .... I didn't say "beat" (though he has)

The point is that Hulk and all those other characters, along with a ton of others are fast enough to hit Surfer on a regular basis.

And arguing that anytime the Surfer loses to anyone below skyfarther being bad writing just sounds like fanboy overhyping of the character.

Originally posted by Bentley
Explain why would he have a reference to a explicit "nanosecond" instead of any other time frame, people just dont think about the word nanosecond when referring time, it was obviously intended to make a speed reference. In my opinion, you are better off trying to argue that Quasar has also super speed than trying to dismiss the same ability in the surfer.

Any one who has the time to think the word nanosecond is not reacting in one.

I have stated over and over again that Quasar has super speed.

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And Surfer will be reacting far slower than his normal due to telepathic assaults.

And by "normal" I don't mean the one or two times he has been thinking about terms like "nanosecond"

The vast majority of Surfer appearances has him being struck by non-superspeed or low level superspeed characters.

When one out of one hundred showings claims "nano-second" speed then that one becomes the PIS, not the other 99 consistant showings.

And once again ... how fast do you really think a guy can travel within a 20 mile square, indestructible, battlefield before he smashes his head open on the walls?

Quasar's armour >>> Surfer's blasts
Quasar's shields >>> Surfer's strength
Quasar's speed = Surfer's speed

Originally posted by Scoobless
Yes, Surfer got beaten on by the Hulk .... I didn't say "beat" (though he has)

The point is that Hulk and all those other characters, along with a ton of others are fast enough to hit Surfer on a regular basis.

And arguing that anytime the Surfer loses to anyone below skyfarther being bad writing just sounds like fanboy overhyping of the character.



Any one who has the time to think the word nanosecond is not reacting in one.

I have stated over and over again that Quasar has super speed.

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And Surfer will be reacting far slower than his normal due to telepathic assaults.

And by "normal" I don't mean the one or two times he has been thinking about terms like "nanosecond"

The vast majority of Surfer appearances has him being struck by non-superspeed or low level superspeed characters.

When one out of one hundred showings claims "nano-second" speed then that one becomes the PIS, not the other 99 consistant showings.

i didnīt said that it was bad writing if he lost to anypne blow skyfather. Thanos is not skyfather and he beat surfer.
i meant if the likes of hulk can beat surfer it is bad writing

Surfer doenīst move all the time at his maximum speed, but he can, and his giving everything he has in this fight.

Your mind attacks wonīt do much, its psylocke and mimic with 50% of a tecnho organisc cable (not god like) thats probaly even less then psylocke.
I showed a scan where surfer withsand a moondragon tp attack with the mind gem, donīt think tp will do much to surfer int his fight.
not to mention he beat god-like cable

Scoob, if he was able to think up the word nanosecond it could actually imply that he is much faster than the nanosecond: Able to think before actually acting. Super fast thought, I guess you have that when you go speedester.

I insist, you are defending what to me is a wrong point.

Originally posted by Loot
i didnīt said that it was bad writing if he lost to anypne blow skyfather. Thanos is not skyfather and he beat surfer.

As have many other people below skyfather.

Originally posted by Loot
i meant if the likes of hulk can beat surfer it is bad writing

Beat on ... as in hit ... many times.... Hulk can hit Surfer = Surfer does not have near instant reaction times.

Surfer is weak in physical fights.

Originally posted by Loot
Surfer doenīst move all the time at his maximum speed, but he can, and his giving everything he has in this fight.

Much like he did while fighting fo rthe fate of the Universe ... against Quasar .... where he couldn't beat him and was hit many, many, times ... by Quasar.

Which means Quasar = at least the same speed as surfer.

Originally posted by Loot
Your mind attacks wonīt do much, its psylocke and mimic with 50% of a tecnho organisc cable (not god like) thats probaly even less then psylocke.

hey're not supposed to do much, just distract the Surfer which is plenty when going against someone as powerful as Quasar .... who Surfer wasn't able to beat before.

Originally posted by Loot
I showed a scan where surfer withsand a moondragon tp attack with the mind gem, donīt think tp will do much to surfer int his fight.
not to mention he beat god-like cable

You showed a scan which pointed to the fact tht immediately prior to it Surfer had been under Moonstones control for some time.

Cable never mentally attacked Surfer during that fight..... and Cable is nowhere near as powerful as Quasar.

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Surfer cannot move anywhere near full speed within this, small, battlefield.

Surfer isn't any faster than Quasar to begin with.

Surfer's head will be a little muddled by my telepaths.

Surfer will be trapped for a while.

Quasar can withstand galactus' energy blasts = Surfer wont be penetrating his armour.

Quasar will get in close when fighting and force a H2H situation where he will have a large advantage.

Wow, awesome match guys.. I cant decide who to vote?

Originally posted by Bentley
I insist, you are defending what to me is a wrong point.

Well this doesn't really have anything to do with you, but if Surfer is that fast, then so is Quasar:

http://img277.imageshack.us/img277/1325/quasar050336qc.th.jpg

Quasar avoids Surfer's blast but Surfer can't avoid Quasar's

http://img277.imageshack.us/img277/4175/quasar050343zo.th.jpg

While in mid fight with Surfer, Quasar is fast enough to keep the upper hand while figuring out what's going on.

http://img277.imageshack.us/img277/2900/quasar050387iq.th.jpg

(also points to his durability advantage)

withsand galactus doensīt mean it canīt be destroyed, my IW woman shields also withsand galactus.

Speedsters normally think faster, it has been stated many times, flash for exemple this way faster then anyone in JLA.
AS surfer does in that scan. He has been showed thinking and using tp at such speeds.
Just because surfer lets hulk give him a punch that doensīt mean he can dodge it.
I wansīt comparing god-like cable to quasar only that he is a superior tp then anyone you have in that team. If cable could beat surfer trough tp he would have done so, yet he lost, no matter what everybody will say, god-like cable lost to surfer, and lost only when surfer wanted, has shown in the battle he could have end it anytime he wanted.
About the moondragon feat, he was able to withsand it and it is with mind gem, i donīt see psylocke and mimic causing a trouble they are no wear near moon with mind gem

Once again, as Surfer is fighting Quasar, the TP attack is only there to distract/irritate him ... if he takes his attention away from Quasar to "deal with it" then he'll lose, if he doesn't then he'll be slowed down because of it, which will also lead to him losing.

GL Cable never once mentally attacked Surfer so that comic has absolutely no relevance in this situation.

And again, Surfer has proved to be no faster than Quasar in a fight.

you donīt know that. and iīm saying the tp wonīt bother him since he already withsand greater tp attacks, those will be easy to block. And if your telepaths focus on surfer, the rest of my team will have an advantage, if mimic and psylocke are distracted attacking surfer, they will more easily go down.

They are attacking Surfer after beating the rest of your team (as per my opening post)

They aren't necessary for the win over Surfer though, Quasar is capable of doing that on his own, this was just to speed it up a little.

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What time zone are you in Loot? (what time is it at the time of this post?)

Originally posted by Scoobless
They are attacking Surfer after beating the rest of your team (as per my opening post)

They aren't necessary for the win over Surfer though, Quasar is capable of doing that on his own, this was just to speed it up a little.

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What time zone are you in Loot? (what time is it at the time of this post?)

Thats assuming your beating the rest of my team.

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if your in england, its one hour early in here. so now its 23:20

Originally posted by Loot
if your in england, its one hour early in here. so now its 23:20

It's 23:20 here .... so are you saying you're at 22:20?

Originally posted by Scoobless
It's 23:20 here .... so are you saying you're at 22:20?

no it was 23.20 here too, it seems its the same time.

This match will end early Monday morning. So with any last bit of debating and last minutes votes, be sure to get it in tonight.

The next match will be "Typhus vs Roldz", set to go tommorow. The fight will take place in the French Alps. The battlefield size will be 30 x 30 square miles.

Ok.... getting close to the end now.

First, I've stuck to my opening strategy through the whole match while Loot has been forced to alter his a few times.

This is important because it shows that his plan wont work and will throw his team into disarray.

He's relying on Surfer to fight Quasar, cover his team in force fields, find/kill Psylocke, fight off psi-attacks, heal his team, telepathically link his team (which isn't even possible), manipulate holograms, carry teammates around, fire energy blasts, create more shields on the fly ... and some other stuff too.

Now, yes, Surfer can do all those things, but not at the same time and not when fighting Quasar who is of equal or greater power than the Surfer.

He's claiming superior speed is pretty much all Surfer needs to win the whole match by himself..... which is illogical as Quasar has shown plenty of times to be as fast as Surfer.

Surfer can fly at may, many, times lightspeed ... but the battlefield is only 20 miles across.... if he hits lightspeed at all he'll have less than a thousandth of a second before he smashes into an indestructible wall.... and that's only if he's at the farthest point from that wall.

This all means that he's limited to far less than lightspeed ..... which means he has no speed advantage over Quasar at all.

Surfer can't win a fight against Quasar with energy blasts as they would be easily blocked or absorbed, even an unarmoured Quasar can take energy blasts from Surfer without injury.... energy is Quasar's field of cosmic expertise.

The only real chance Surfer would have to inflict damage is to get physical.... something he has proved to be dreadful at..... and even then Quasar's armour can withstand any blow the Surfer would land.

Surfer is overtaxed, he's moving at sub light speeds and he will be caught by Quasar.

http://img480.imageshack.us/img480/8203/quasar38137pe.th.jpg

There's no way Surfer is easily breaking out of a force bubble composed of layered shielding, each stronger than the one shown above.

Surfer will not beat Quasar.

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I've explained a couple of times how and why the rest of my team will defeat the rest of Loot's "team" .... I say "team" as he seems to be completely dependant on the Sufer to carry him through the match.

I've gotta vote for Loot, he had to alter his strategy, but his latest ones a winner.

Originally posted by Scoobless
Ok.... getting close to the end now.

First, I've stuck to my opening strategy through the whole match while Loot has been forced to alter his a few times.

This is important because it shows that his plan wont work and will throw his team into disarray.

He's relying on Surfer to fight Quasar, cover his team in force fields, find/kill Psylocke, fight off psi-attacks, heal his team, telepathically link his team (which isn't even possible), manipulate holograms, carry teammates around, fire energy blasts, create more shields on the fly ... and some other stuff too.

Now, yes, Surfer can do all those things, but not at the same time and not when fighting Quasar who is of equal or greater power than the Surfer.

He's claiming superior speed is pretty much all Surfer needs to win the whole match by himself..... which is illogical as Quasar has shown plenty of times to be as fast as Surfer.

Surfer can fly at may, many, times lightspeed ... but the battlefield is only 20 miles across.... if he hits lightspeed at all he'll have less than a thousandth of a second before he smashes into an indestructible wall.... and that's only if he's at the farthest point from that wall.

This all means that he's limited to far less than lightspeed ..... which means he has no speed advantage over Quasar at all.

Surfer can't win a fight against Quasar with energy blasts as they would be easily blocked or absorbed, even an unarmoured Quasar can take energy blasts from Surfer without injury.... energy is Quasar's field of cosmic expertise.

The only real chance Surfer would have to inflict damage is to get physical.... something he has proved to be dreadful at..... and even then Quasar's armour can withstand any blow the Surfer would land.

Surfer is overtaxed, he's moving at sub light speeds and he will be caught by Quasar.

http://img480.imageshack.us/img480/8203/quasar38137pe.th.jpg

There's no way Surfer is easily breaking out of a force bubble composed of layered shielding, each stronger than the one shown above.

Surfer will not beat Quasar.

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I've explained a couple of times how and why the rest of my team will defeat the rest of Loot's "team" .... I say "team" as he seems to be completely dependant on the Sufer to carry him through the match.

Originally posted by King Kandy
I've gotta vote for Loot, he had to alter his strategy, but his latest ones a winner.

In what way? remembering that altering strategy after the match starts is a really, really, bad idea in team matches.

I vote Scoobless (even if I see a way around his strategy... ).

He has been consistent.
He has shown proof of why Surfer won't break his shields the way Loot thinks they will crack.
He has seen through Loot's strategy (in my mind anyway).
He has involved his team, not just his most powerful character.

Good debate, but I think Scoobs won.

Voting Scoobless

He's stuck to his guns this entire fight, and it paid off for him. Loot understanding this, had to adjust.

I vote for Scoobs

Still can vote?

Voting for Scoobs. All around better points and his posts are presented better.

Originally posted by Brian Oswald
I vote for Scoobs

Sorry, but you need at least 800 posts to vote in this tournament.

Anyway, I'm going to give this match an extra two hours because it is a very close match at the moment, and I want to give everyone time to vote.

Current Votes:

SpunkySmurph - Loot
hulk10 - Loot
King Kandy - Loot

V - Scoobless
Bigbran - Scoobless
batdude123 - Scoobless
DarkCrawler - Scoobless

Scoobless is in the lead with a 4 to 3 vote.

Surfer thinks, and reacts at superior speeds then quasar.
He has tp that withsand a tp attack from moondragon with mind gem.

he will create a mind link between my team and give them all the information about all the previous fights, and i+ve faced 5 teams so far where scoobs faced only 2.
Why share the information would be so good if they all fought in thos battles? because taskmaster has a photografic memory thus giving much more information about all the oponnents weīve faced including scoobs team, since we already fought in the past.


Surfer can create force fields to protect him and if necessary some team members.
IW shields have withstand galactus, since i have two teleporters it will be more dificult to escape my attacs, locking one by one scoobs members inside a force bubble woth my team. If this donīt work iīll have to split my team eacth one with an Invisible force field. Using banshee sound attack to put scoos team trough a hard time during the fough, banshee can also create sound focre fields.

Magic is effective on quasar constructs so spawn (that already used nagic on our previous match) knows exatly what type of power he has to use to hurt scoobs team members.

Surfer will shut down the holograms and if necessary will try to use holograms to help my team by confusing yours.

if my team becomes very tired and hurted, surfer will try to heal them.

Iīve stated before my primary targets are the telepaths, surfer is prepared since then begining of the fight to find them, and if necessary spawn will be with him in his board, so the moment they meet spawn could teleport him/her, and surfer could fight quasar.

spawn like mimic, can copy others powers, and not only at 50%, so thereīs nothing saying he canīt create his own force field (in case IW has some problem, but she wonīt, with to protection form surfer and teleports attacks, psylocke will go down fast, and mimic will be more difficult but eventually he will be beaten).
I was thinking if spawn could create with his magic something that could increase banshee sound power, not on blackbolt level, but something, but this is only in teory, canīt say for sure that it is possible.

I think this match has gone on long enough and whoever wanted to vote probably already has.

The results are in.

SpunkySmurph - Loot
hulk10 - Loot
King Kandy - Loot

V - Scoobless
Bigbran - Scoobless
batdude123 - Scoobless
DarkCrawler - Scoobless

Scoobless edges it out in a close 4 to 3 vote. Scoobless advances to the final match.

Loot, thank you for participating in the 2nd Slugfest Showdown. You fought hard, for a former slugfest champion. But it looks like someone new is going to take the title the 2nd time around. Good match though.

Match over.

Great fight scoobs, congrats.
Thanks to all that believed i could pull this one and to ev for the invitation.

Good match Loot.

Heh, I would have came in and voted Loot last minute just to force ANOTHER extension.

I'm a dick like that.

But honestly, even now, I can't really tell who I would have voted for. Both contestants did an excellent job. Kudos to both of you.

Loot won last time?

Originally posted by Blair Wind
Loot won last time?

Yes, but he was known as 'Norrin Radd' back then.

The "Typhus vs Roldz" match will be tommorow.

yep, i wanted a more original name so i chnage for my regular nick withc is the name of my favorite band backwards. Altthou i think norrin radd is a very cool name.

I made a mistake, when choosing myu team, i truly believe in one thing that aparently its wrong or very dificult to prove.
And i also had bad luck, any time i was fighting in the tournament i was facing scoobs, first fought was scoobs, then i was able to defeat everybody who lost. And when i was back in the tournament, guess who i had to face? scoobs again. lol
but to me it was a great fight and that whats matter.