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So here is the problem that I"m having. Every one says that the IG is more powerful than The UN becuz it was shown on panel stopping the UN. I have an issue with this becuz the UN is multiversal and being Used by REED is far Superior to the showing by quasar. ON panel quasar stated the Un might destroy the Universe. Not the Multiverse. It should also be noted that The UN was being used as a single beam to target someone. The panel says that the magus turns the energy back upon it's wielder. It doesn't say he over powered the UN or withstood the attack. Even from this weaker version of the UN. Now Years later, Reed Uses the UN in a multiversal fashion. How can we then compare Reed using the UN in a completely different way to the way Quasar used it and have any basis for IG>UN? I also want to know how the LT plays into the whole UN thing. How come the LT didn't set the Multiverse right and the UN had to do it? If the LT is superior to the IG, then is he not superior to the UN since everyone thinks The IG>>>>>UN.


Mr. Mxy on panel is shown as the 2nd most powerful being ever created by DC comics not directly associated with God. He completely owned the Spectre and Wiped away the DC Omniverse.

Batmites power was shown in the Emporer Joker Saga to turn the universe on it's ear by the Joker.


I kinda wanted this to be a discussion /versus thread.Which team woud win and why?

I wouldn't say that he completely owned the Spectre...

I mean, your probably as strong as me, but If I hit you on the head with a bowling ball, it might put you down for the count...

Originally posted by King Kandy
I wouldn't say that he completely owned the Spectre...

I mean, your probably as strong as me, but If I hit you on the head with a bowling ball, it might put you down for the count...

Where was the Spectre when mxy erased and destroyed everything. Obviously the spectre was trying to stop mxy and didnt. Every thing got erased.

Originally posted by King Kandy
I wouldn't say that he completely owned the Spectre...

I mean, your probably as strong as me, but If I hit you on the head with a bowling ball, it might put you down for the count...
Spectre didn't have a host.

Mxyztplk > Bat-mite

Infinity Gauntlet > Ultimate Nullifier

Ultimate Nullifier > Mutliverse

Mxyztplk > Multiverse

Infinity Gauntlet > Ultimate Nullifier = Mxyztplk > Bat-mite

Thanos FTW.

Originally posted by Thanos_THOTU
Spectre didn't have a host.

Mxyztplk > Bat-mite

Infinity Gauntlet > Ultimate Nullifier

Ultimate Nullifier > Mutliverse

Mxyztplk > Multiverse

Infinity Gauntlet > Ultimate Nullifier = Mxyztplk > Bat-mite

Thanos FTW.

Um no. Mxy is shown on PANEL doing more than anyone ever did with the IG. period. get that bull out of here. And the UN is shown on panel doing more than the IG every did. Period.

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
Um no. Mxy is shown on PANEL doing more than anyone ever did with the IG. period. get that bull out of here. And the UN is shown on panel doing more than the IG every did. Period.

Spectre got hit over the head with a planet.

Whenb he's that size, that's like me hitting you over the head with a bowling ball and knocking you out. I don't need to be more powerful then you to do that.

Plus Mxy took Spectre by Surprize.

Originally posted by King Kandy
Spectre got hit over the head with a planet.

Whenb he's that size, that's like me hitting you over the head with a bowling ball and knocking you out. I don't need to be more powerful then you to do that.

Plus Mxy took Spectre by Surprize.

Doesn't matter. mxy ereased the dc omniverse. Name someone else that has erased an omniverse on panel.

Mr Mxy and Bat-Mite destroy everything and end up fighting each other.

http://img236.imageshack.us/my.php?image=sfunnest60aj3.jpg

Originally posted by King Kandy
Spectre got hit over the head with a planet.

Whenb he's that size, that's like me hitting you over the head with a bowling ball and knocking you out. I don't need to be more powerful then you to do that.

Plus Mxy took Spectre by Surprize. Please Mxy beating Spectre with Earth was so lame and PIS it is not even funny though it happened.

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
Doesn't matter. mxy ereased the dc omniverse. Name someone else that has erased an omniverse on panel.
beyonder.

Originally posted by King Kandy
beyonder.

No he didn't. He erased the Marvel Multiverse. Not the omniverse.

Originally posted by juggernaut66666
Please Mxy beating Spectre with Earth was so lame and PIS it is not even funny though it happened.

That is basically known as cosmic prank. Which is exactly what Mr. Mxy would pull on Reed and Thanos.

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
No he didn't. He erased the Marvel Multiverse. Not the omniverse.
At that point, the Multi-Verse WAS the Omniverse.

Originally posted by WrathfulDwarf
That is basically known as cosmic prank. Which is exactly what Mr. Mxy would pull on Reed and Thanos.
And Spectre is connected to the Logoz which is a part of God.

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
Um no. Mxy is shown on PANEL doing more than anyone ever did with the IG. period. get that bull out of here. And the UN is shown on panel doing more than the IG every did. Period.
To trumph a being/item that has destroyed the Multiverse, is a better feature than actually destroying the Multiverse.

Originally posted by King Kandy
At that point, the Multi-Verse WAS the Omniverse.

UM no just no. You cant just say at that point. It was the multiverse period. It was stated on panel as such. mxy on the other hand is erasing mulitple multiverses, the kingdome which is in itself an omniverse and ever the DCU animated multiverse.

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
Doesn't matter. mxy ereased the dc omniverse. Name someone else that has erased an omniverse on panel.
Where is it stated that DC is an omniverse, post scan.

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
UM no just no. You cant just say at that point. It was the multiverse period. It was stated on panel as such. mxy on the other hand is erasing mulitple multiverses, the kingdome which is in itself an omniverse and ever the DCU animated multiverse.
Omniverse=All Universes.

And at that point, all the universes were in the Multiverse, hence Omniverse.

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
UM no just no. You cant just say at that point. It was the multiverse period. It was stated on panel as such. mxy on the other hand is erasing mulitple multiverses, the kingdome which is in itself an omniverse and ever the DCU animated multiverse.
There was the Marvel Multiverse and there was the Beyondrealm.

The Beyond realm > Multiverse.

He could do whatever he wanted to his realm and to the Multiverse.

Originally posted by Thanos_THOTU
To trumph a being/item that has destroyed the Multiverse, is a better feature than actually destroying the Multiverse.

Oh please. WHo has trumped a being that has destroyed the Multiverse? Please dont' pull that crap about the IG beating the UN. that is bull crap. It says on panel that the magus used the IG's own energies against it. If the IG was so powerful, why not just obliterate it or stop the energy? And how can quasar even compare to how reed used the UN? IG>UN is utter crap.

Originally posted by WrathfulDwarf
That is basically known as cosmic prank. Which is exactly what Mr. Mxy would pull on Reed and Thanos.
Spectre has striped Mxyztplk of his power before, besides, Spectre had no host.

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
Oh please. WHo has trumped a being that has destroyed the Multiverse? Please dont' pull that crap about the IG beating the UN. that is bull crap. It says on panel that the magus used the IG's own energies against it. If the IG was so powerful, why not just obliterate it or stop the energy? And how can quasar even compare to how reed used the UN? IG>UN is utter crap.
Magus reversed the UN blast to show off and test his power, and too impress Warlock as to his absolute triumph. Merely destroying the UN would have made him seem afraid.

Originally posted by Thanos_THOTU
Spectre has striped Mxyztplk of his power before, besides, Spectre had no host.

No he didn't. Mxy disappeared at the end of the arc. mxy had forgotten who he was. Did oyu even read the story? Also superman/batman 25 happened AFTER IC. Mxy had his powers in that arc.

Originally posted by King Kandy
Magus reversed the UN blast to show off and test his power, and too impress Warlock as to his absolute triumph. Merely destroying the UN would have made him seem afraid.

no. Just no. first of all, the UN was stated on panel back then to be able to destroy the UNIVERSE. It isn't till years later that REED using the UN is able to fix the multiverse. different circumstances and a much different uses and different time periods.

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
no. Just no. first of all, the UN was stated on panel back then to be able to destroy the UNIVERSE. It isn't till years later that REED using the UN is able to fix the multiverse. different circumstances and a much different uses and different time periods.
The power is always the same, only the blast Radiace is different.

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
Oh please. WHo has trumped a being that has destroyed the Multiverse? Please dont' pull that crap about the IG beating the UN. that is bull crap. It says on panel that the magus used the IG's own energies against it. If the IG was so powerful, why not just obliterate it or stop the energy? And how can quasar even compare to how reed used the UN? IG>UN is utter crap.
All the energies in Marvel was a part of the Gauntlet, with an exception of the Living Tribunal and the One-Above-All.
So if Silver Surfer shot a blast agaisnt Magus it would still be a part of the Gauntlet's power that Surfer would be using against him.

He was a part of everything, with the Gauntlet.

Originally posted by King Kandy
The power is always the same, only the blast Radiace is different.

In that case, Darksied's power is still the same as in precrisis. Of course this forum argues that it's not. ANd now i'm doing the same. First of all, the magus is not shown being able to stop quasar from unmaking the multiverse. 2ndly, the IG isn't shown recreating or even creating one single universe. The cosmic cubes did that. the UN>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>.the IG until further notice.

Originally posted by Thanos_THOTU
All the energies in Marvel was a part of the Gauntlet, with an exception of the Living Tribunal and the One-Above-All.
So if Silver Surfer shot a blast agaisnt Magus it would still be a part of the Gauntlet's power that Surfer would be using against him.

He was a part of everything, with the Gauntlet.

NO he wasn't. If he was as powerful as people make him out to be, he would have instantly been able to merge the 616 with the universe the cosmic cubes had created. He was not. He was doing it over time.

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
no. Just no. first of all, the UN was stated on panel back then to be able to destroy the UNIVERSE. It isn't till years later that REED using the UN is able to fix the multiverse. different circumstances and a much different uses and different time periods.
http://img412.imageshack.us/img412/2029/22222222222zj9.jpg

Originally posted by Thanos_THOTU
All the energies in Marvel was a part of the Gauntlet, with an exception of the Living Tribunal and the One-Above-All.
So if Silver Surfer shot a blast agaisnt Magus it would still be a part of the Gauntlet's power that Surfer would be using against him.

He was a part of everything, with the Gauntlet.
Thats' simply untrue, it's only the total energies for one universe, other IG's arethe energies of other universes.

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
NO he wasn't. If he was as powerful as people make him out to be, he would have instantly been able to merge the 616 with the universe the cosmic cubes had created. He was not. He was doing it over time.
Then why did he use the cosmic cubes?

Originally posted by King Kandy
Thats' simply untrue, it's only the total energies for one universe, other IG's arethe energies of other universes.
I meant the Marvel Universe ...

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
NO he wasn't. If he was as powerful as people make him out to be, he would have instantly been able to merge the 616 with the universe the cosmic cubes had created. He was not. He was doing it over time.
He did instantly fuse them, he said it would take time when he was foing it with the COSMIC CUBES!

Originally posted by Thanos_THOTU
There was the Marvel Multiverse and there was the Beyondrealm.

The Beyond realm > Multiverse.

He could do whatever he wanted to his realm and to the Multiverse.

It says the Multiverse, period. He never erased any Omniverse. And we know that there was always an omniverse by it being discovered years later.

Originally posted by Thanos_THOTU
I meant the Marvel Universe ...
You mean 616?

Originally posted by King Kandy
He did instantly fuse them, he said it would take time when he was foing it with the COSMIC CUBES!

NO no no. Dr. Strange said he could already begin to feel the universe merge. Not that they just instantly merged. Also Where on Panel is even a full IG shown to create ONE single Universe?

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
It says the Multiverse, period. He never erased any Omniverse. And we know that there was always an omniverse by it being discovered years later.
That was a retcon, when we say Pre-Retcon beyonder, we mean beyonder AS HE APPEARED THEN!

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
NO no no. Dr. Strange said he could already begin to feel the universe merge. Not that they just instantly merged. Also Where on Panel is even a full IG shown to create ONE single Universe?
It created a universe that was Thanos.

ALso please make note that there are Several IG's. As shown in other what if stories. SO How can the IG>>>>>UN when the UN fixed the Multiverse where as there are multiple IG's who apparantly got fixed as well?

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
In that case, Darksied's power is still the same as in precrisis. Of course this forum argues that it's not. ANd now i'm doing the same. First of all, the magus is not shown being able to stop quasar from unmaking the multiverse. 2ndly, the IG isn't shown recreating or even creating one single universe. The cosmic cubes did that. the UN>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>.the IG until further notice.
Holy shit, are you saying that the five cosmic cubes are >IG?

The cosmic egg (THIRTY CC'S) weren't even>IG.

Also, the UN's power was never retconned.

I meant whenever it blasted, it only uses the same amount of power, only the blast size is different.

Originally posted by King Kandy
It created a universe that was Thanos.

NO it didn't. ETERNITY himself wanted the IG banned becuz it would replace him as the Universe. All it did was take eternitie's place. Not multi eternity. So how then can it be multiversal when it only replaces one Eternity. Even the LT made a smart comment about it to Eternity.

Originally posted by King Kandy
Holy shit, are you saying that the five cosmic cubes are >IG?

The cosmic egg (THIRTY CC'S) weren't even>IG.

Also, the UN's power was never retconned.

I meant whenever it blasted, it only uses the same amount of power, only the blast size is different.

Darksied's power was never retconned either but you don't see the forum asking for a retconn. I"m saying that the five cosmic cubes are certainly more than that incomplete IG. I'm also saying that REED using the UN is much differnt than quasar using it. now say it isn't so.

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
ALso please make note that there are Several IG's. As shown in other what if stories. SO How can the IG>>>>>UN when the UN fixed the Multiverse where as there are multiple IG's who apparantly got fixed as well?
They let it happend ... It was recreated directly after it was destroyed.

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
ALso please make note that there are Several IG's. As shown in other what if stories. SO How can the IG>>>>>UN when the UN fixed the Multiverse where as there are multiple IG's who apparantly got fixed as well?
Because it is>UN.

The UN blasts, and Magus reverses the Multiverse-Destroying blast.

...Just because the IG is more powerful then the UN, doesn't mean that it is invulnerable to it's effects.

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
NO it didn't. ETERNITY himself wanted the IG banned becuz it would replace him as the Universe. All it did was take eternitie's place. Not multi eternity. So how then can it be multiversal when it only replaces one Eternity. Even the LT made a smart comment about it to Eternity.
Becoming Eternity and becoming the Universe are the same thing.

Originally posted by Thanos_THOTU
They let it happend ... It was recreated directly after it was destroyed.

WTF???

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
Darksied's power was never retconned either but you don't see the forum asking for a retconn. I"m saying that the five cosmic cubes are certainly more than that incomplete IG. I'm also saying that REED using the UN is much differnt than quasar using it. now say it isn't so.
The five CC's are NOT stronger then the IG!

EVERYBODY in infinity War said so!

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
WTF???
I think he's saying the Gems let themselves be destroyed.

Originally posted by King Kandy
Becoming Eternity and becoming the Universe are the same thing.

Exactly. The IG replaces Eternity, something that was already created. It doesn't make a new one. And it certainly didn't threaten the Multi-eternity. So it CANNOT be multiversal.

Magus has reversed the power of the UN with the IG.

Originally posted by King Kandy
The five CC's are NOT stronger then the IG!

EVERYBODY in infinity War said so!

Everybody in the infinity war was under the assumption that the IG was complete. look what I wrote. I said that the five gems were more powerful than the INCOMPLETE IG as they are actually shown making another universe.

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
Exactly. The IG replaces Eternity, something that was already created. It doesn't make a new one. And it certainly didn't threaten the Multi-eternity. So it CANNOT be multiversal.
I odn't threatin a cat who lives across the world, that doesn't mean I COULDN'T!

The IG never fought Multi-Eternity, but that doesn't mean it COULDN'T have.

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
Everybody in the infinity war was under the assumption that the IG was complete. look what I wrote. I said that the five gems were more powerful than the INCOMPLETE IG as they are actually shown making another universe.
Warlock and Thanos Weren't under that assumption, and they agreed on it as well.

Originally posted by juggernaut66666
Magus has reversed the power of the UN with the IG.
Exactly.

Originally posted by juggernaut66666
Magus has reversed the power of the UN with the IG.

No, he redirected it's own power back to itself. Not the same thing as reversing it's power. Let's see the IG stop the UN from unmaking the multiverse.

Originally posted by King Kandy
I odn't threatin a cat who lives across the world, that doesn't mean I COULDN'T!

The IG never fought Multi-Eternity, but that doesn't mean it COULDN'T have.

No you miss the point. ETERNITY SPECIFICALLY STATED that the IG user woudl replace HIM. Not multi eternity. So no just no.

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
No, he redirected it's own power back to itself. Not the same thing as reversing it's power. Let's see the IG stop the UN from unmaking the multiverse.
It stopped the UN power and turned it around. That's the same as redirecting it. it's also the same as reversing.

It stopped the UN blast, the UN multiverse blast isn't any stronger, just bigger.

Originally posted by King Kandy
Warlock and Thanos Weren't under that assumption, and they agreed on it as well.

They were what is the word, pulling a ruse on everyone. becuz the magus could read people's minds.

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
No you miss the point. ETERNITY SPECIFICALLY STATED that the IG user woudl replace HIM. Not multi eternity. So no just no.
It did reoplace him. Eternity was 100% correct.

Could it replace Multi-Eternity? I don't know. It never tried.

Originally posted by King Kandy
It stopped the UN power and turned it around. That's the same as redirecting it. it's also the same as reversing.

It stopped the UN blast, the UN multiverse blast isn't any stronger, just bigger.

No just no. First of all, quasar using the uN is much differnt that say if REED or galactus was using it. @ndly, the magus could read minds. He could have done any number of things to redirect the blast. Hell ,Blink could put a portal in front of thanos blast and hit him with his own blast. is she now stronger than Thanos? the theory does not hold up at all. The IG is not more powerful than the UN.

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
They were what is the word, pulling a ruse on everyone. becuz the magus could read people's minds.
...You mean that they intentionally forgot the info? That they didn't think about it?

BULLSHIT! Bullshit, Bullshit, Bullshit.

Besides, with the Time gem he'd read their minds from a time when they did remember it. Asuming they "Intentionaly Forgot it", which they didn't.

Originally posted by King Kandy
It did reoplace him. Eternity was 100% correct.

Could it replace Multi-Eternity? I don't know. It never tried.

How could one IG replace Multi-Eternity when there are other IG's in the other Eternity's? The owners of those IG's would surely fight with the IG ownder of the 616. As it stands, the Ig is only abe to replace one Eternity and is not more powerful than the UN that Reed used the way that Reed used it.

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
No, he redirected it's own power back to itself. Not the same thing as reversing it's power. Let's see the IG stop the UN from unmaking the multiverse.
You are wrong in Quasar 40 it was shown that Quasar was able to fire with the UN and it sent almost everyone one to Oblivion Magus reversed that effect.

Originally posted by King Kandy
...You mean that they intentionally forgot the info? That they didn't think about it?

BULLSHIT! Bullshit, Bullshit, Bullshit.

Besides, with the Time gem he'd read their minds from a time when they did remember it. Asuming they "Intentionaly Forgot it", which they didn't.

Then how come The magus didn't get the IG first and then make his universe? why go thru all of the trouble of getting the cosmic cubes to make a universe that he knew he was goign to merge with the 616? answer that one.

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
Everybody in the infinity war was under the assumption that the IG was complete. look what I wrote. I said that the five gems were more powerful than the INCOMPLETE IG as they are actually shown making another universe.

Then how was the Magus able to complete merging the 2 universes much faster with the incomplete IG than with the 5 Cosmic Cubes?

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
No just no. First of all, quasar using the uN is much differnt that say if REED or galactus was using it. @ndly, the magus could read minds. He could have done any number of things to redirect the blast. Hell ,Blink could put a portal in front of thanos blast and hit him with his own blast. is she now stronger than Thanos? the theory does not hold up at all. The IG is not more powerful than the UN.
Yes, he certainly COULD have done any of those things... But he didn't. He said otherwise. He said he took control of the Energies.

And no, Quasar's blast was NOT any different, Reed is just better at comprehending entities as grand as Multi-Eternity.

Originally posted by juggernaut66666
You are wrong in Quasar 40 it was shown that Quasar was able to fire with the UN and it sent everyone one to Oblivion Magus reversed that effect. It didn't send the mUltiverse to oblivion. I have said already that it said on panel that UN could destroy the Universe. Not The multiverse. Thanks tho. I already covered that. THe UN isn't shown to be multiversal until REED was using it.

Originally posted by celestialdemon
Then how was the Magus able to complete merging the 2 universes much faster with the incomplete IG than with the 5 Cosmic Cubes?

The cosmic cubes has expended much energy creating the other universe. If the IG was so powerful, how come he didn't just make the other universe with IG ?

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
Then how come The magus didn't get the IG first and then make his universe? why go thru all of the trouble of getting the cosmic cubes to make a universe that he knew he was goign to merge with the 616? answer that one.

Because he knew the LT's ruling would not allowing the IG to work.

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
Then how come The magus didn't get the IG first and then make his universe? why go thru all of the trouble of getting the cosmic cubes to make a universe that he knew he was goign to merge with the 616? answer that one.
He was already in the process of merging the universes when he got the IG.

He needed the CC's to GET the IG, they were vital to his plans. Even if he didn't get the IG, the universes would still get fused, and he's still win the Infinity War...

Originally posted by King Kandy
Yes, he certainly COULD have done any of those things... But he didn't. He said otherwise. He said he took control of the Energies.

And no, Quasar's blast was NOT any different, Reed is just better at comprehending entities as grand as Multi-Eternity.

How can the IG be more powerful than the UN the way REED used it when there are other IG's. Other wearers who also were erased and reset? Explain that one. Theydind't all just let them selves be reset.

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
The cosmic cubes has expended much energy creating the other universe. If the IG was so powerful, how come he didn't just make the other universe with IG ?
Because he didn't have the IG at the time.

When he got it he was already in the middle of merging the universes.

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
The cosmic cubes has expended much energy creating the other universe.


Please show me where it states they used a lot of energy to create another universe.

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
If the IG was so powerful, how come he didn't just make the other universe with IG ?

Because he already had the universe he wanted created when he acquired the IG. All he did was complete merging it with 616.

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
How can the IG be more powerful than the UN the way REED used it when there are other IG's. Other wearers who also were erased and reset? Explain that one. Theydind't all just let them selves be reset.
BECAUSE THE IG'S WERE POWERLESS!!!!!

They were ALL rendered powerless by the LT's verdict, which applies to the entire multiverse (This was stated in rune).

Originally posted by King Kandy
He was already in the process of merging the universes when he got the IG.

He needed the CC's to GET the IG, they were vital to his plans. Even if he didn't get the IG, the universes would still get fused, and he's still win the Infinity War...

Still doesn't explain how IG>Un when the Ig isn't shown beating the UN the way REED used it. Galactus has specifically grown in power, and the UN is a part of him. Would not the UN have grown as well. The 616 Galactus is also special. The 616 is not. it's just part of the multiverse as The eterntiy/infinity being said. SO there is no way the 616 IG>>the 616 UN when Big G has grown in power and is special and the UN is part of the Special Big G.

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
It didn't send the mUltiverse to oblivion. I have said already that it said on panel that UN could destroy the Universe. Not The multiverse. Thanks tho. I already covered that. THe UN isn't shown to be multiversal until REED was using it.
No one was aiming it at the Multiverse until reed used it...

Originally posted by King Kandy
BECAUSE THE IG'S WERE POWERLESS!!!!!

They were ALL rendered powerless by the LT's verdict, which applies to the entire multiverse (This was stated in rune).

NO. Just no. That is not true. Where does it say every single Ig was rendered powerless?

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
Still doesn't explain how IG>Un when the Ig isn't shown beating the UN the way REED used it. Galactus has specifically grown in power, and the UN is a part of him. Would not the UN have grown as well. The 616 Galactus is also special. The 616 is not. it's just part of the multiverse as The eterntiy/infinity being said. SO there is no way the 616 IG>>the 616 UN when Big G has grown in power and is special and the UN is part of the Special Big G.
That wasn't the only UN, Some What If's also had them...

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
NO. Just no. That is not true. Where does it say every single Ig was rendered powerless?
"The Gems may never be used as one"(Regardless of which set of gems)

"The Verdict applies only to this it's native multiverse"(Not universe)

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
NO. Just no. That is not true. Where does it say every single Ig was rendered powerless?

The gems weren't powerless, but they couldn't be used in unison like when the IG is created.

Ok put it this way, Galactus has specifically grown in power and importance since The IG saga. The UN is part of Galactus. Therefor the UN would also have to grow in power and importance as it is a part of Galactus. The Ig is part of the 616 and infinity/eternity basically said that a part of thier whole was not that important. So we know that the 616 Ig isn't any more special than the others. Now the UN when used to fix the multiverse had to have grown in power and importance as the Un that Korvak used didn't destroy everything. So how in the hell is the IG >>UN with all of this info out there?

Originally posted by King Kandy
"The Gems may never be used as one"(Regardless of which set of gems)

"The Verdict applies only to this it's native multiverse"(Not universe)

That is not true. Becuz after the gems couldn' be used any more in the 616 i coudl swear there was a what if where someone had the Ig.

The UN in Korvac destroyed the entire universe.

Galacus hasn't grown stronger then the IG, neither has the UN.

And the 616 IG IS speciel, it was much weaker when Impossible man used it...

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
That is not true. Becuz after the gems couldn' be used any more in the 616 i coudl swear there was a what if where someone had the Ig.
The What-If took place prior to the Verdict, it took place right after Thanos lost the IG.

Originally posted by King Kandy
The UN in Korvac destroyed the entire universe.

Galacus hasn't grown stronger then the IG, neither has the UN.

And the 616 IG IS speciel, it was much weaker when Impossible man used it...
No it's not. That is bullshit. THe Impossible man was an idiot who didn't know how to use it. Why else would that Eternity be so adamant about getting that IG back huh? explain that.

Originally posted by King Kandy
The What-If took place prior to the Verdict, it took place right after Thanos lost the IG.

And The LT didn't say no more can the gems be used in every multiverse. He specifically had the court of the 616 Dieties. No others were represented.

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
No it's not. That is bullshit. THe Impossible man was an idiot who didn't know how to use it. Why else would that Eternity be so adamant about getting that IG back huh? explain that.
Because he didn't want to have an idiot like impossible man have such power.

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
And The LT didn't say no more can the gems be used in every multiverse. He specifically had the court of the 616 Dieties. No others were represented.
Inconsequential.

It applies to the entire Multiverse, this is flat-out stated, so that part isn't debatable.

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
Ok put it this way, Galactus has specifically grown in power and importance since The IG saga. The UN is part of Galactus. Therefor the UN would also have to grow in power and importance as it is a part of Galactus. The Ig is part of the 616 and infinity/eternity basically said that a part of thier whole was not that important. So we know that the 616 Ig isn't any more special than the others. Now the UN when used to fix the multiverse had to have grown in power and importance as the Un that Korvak used didn't destroy everything. So how in the hell is the IG >>UN with all of this info out there?

Galactus during the IG saga was nothing to the gauntlet. Eternity was nothing to the gauntlet. Galactus has not grown in power so drastically that his power now surpasses Eternity's and can rival the IG.

Originally posted by King Kandy
The UN in Korvac destroyed the entire universe.

Galacus hasn't grown stronger then the IG, neither has the UN.

And the 616 IG IS speciel, it was much weaker when Impossible man used it...

Also I said Galactus has grown stronger since the IG saga. Not stronger than it. But the UN is a part of Galactus and it has always been stronger than big G himself as it was always a weapon against him.

Originally posted by celestialdemon
Galactus during the IG saga was nothing to the gauntlet. Eternity was nothing to the gauntlet. Galactus has not grown in power so drastically that his power now surpasses Eternity's.

What the hell. your not reading what I wrote. I said the UN is part of Big G and it has always been stronger than Eternity. now that Galactus has grown in power, wouldnt it make sense that the UN which is a part have also grown in pwer.

Originally posted by King Kandy
Because he didn't want to have an idiot like impossible man have such power.

NO, That was a divergent story line from the main one. which means all events that happened prior to that story connect to that story. which means eternity still didn't want anyone to have the ig becuz it would replace him. thus making mr. imps ig no less powerful than the one thanos had.

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
Also I said Galactus has grown stronger since the IG saga. Not stronger than it. But the UN is a part of Galactus and it has always been stronger than big G himself as it was always a weapon against him.
Also, the IG is MULTIVERSAL, Rune ruled his Multiverse with it.

Originally posted by King Kandy
Inconsequential.

It applies to the entire Multiverse, this is flat-out stated, so that part isn't debatable.

SHow me the scan where it says no IG's anywhere can be used in unison again.

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
NO, That was a divergent story line from the main one. which means all events that happened prior to that story connect to that story. which means eternity still didn't want anyone to have the ig becuz it would replace him. thus making mr. imps ig no less powerful than the one thanos had.
Well obviously not, since Impossible man was afraid of the abstracts and needed Galactus's help to recreate a planet.

Originally posted by King Kandy
Also, the IG is MULTIVERSAL, Rune ruled his Multiverse with it.

Rune rules his multiverse with it. his multiverse also wasn't governed by the marvel multiverses rules. No lt, no eternities. No one to fight back.

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
SHow me the scan where it says no IG's anywhere can be used in unison again.
Happened when rune got the IG, LT said that it didn't work in the ordinary multiverse, but it did in Runes.

Originally posted by King Kandy
Well obviously not, since Impossible man was afraid of the abstracts and needed Galactus's help to recreate a planet.

Impossible man was afraid of the abstracts becuz he was an idiot. he dind't even know what kidn of power he had. Look at how he reacts to the surfer tellign him he could destroy things with a stray thought. The ig doens't give one mroe intelligence unless one wills themself. and how would one know to do that if theydidn't know they had the capability.

Originally posted by King Kandy
Happened when rune got the IG, LT said that it didn't work in the ordinary multiverse, but it did in Runes.

Yes that particular Set of gems didn't work in the ordinary multiverse. SHOW me a scan where the LT rules that NO IG"s anywhere can work.

wow... what does this have to do with Batmite and Mxysptlc?

Originally posted by King Kandy
The What-If took place prior to the Verdict, it took place right after Thanos lost the IG.

what about the other IG what ifs? Wasn't there one with the surfer and another?

Originally posted by Rick/Genis
wow... what does this have to do with Batmite and Mxysptlc?

Im trying to see if batmite matches the IG and Mxy matches the Un. Actually Mxy>>Un but it's as close as I can get to a good match.

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
what about the other IG what ifs? Wasn't there one with the surfer and another?
There was one with the Surfer, which also ws before the verdict...

And I think that's it.

Originally posted by King Kandy
There was one with the Surfer, which also ws before the verdict...

And I think that's it.

you sure it was before the verdict? Positive?

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
Yes that particular Set of gems didn't work in the ordinary multiverse. SHOW me a scan where the LT rules that NO IG"s anywhere can work.
If those gems aren't speciel, then it's the same everywhere.

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
you sure it was before the verdict? Positive?
100%

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
What the hell. your not reading what I wrote. I said the UN is part of Big G and it has always been stronger than Eternity. now that Galactus has grown in power, wouldnt it make sense that the UN which is a part have also grown in pwer.

I read what you wrote. The UN's power was nothing to incomplete IG. Galactus has not grown in power so drastically that the UN (which is a part of his power) would now be more powerful than the complete version of the IG.

Originally posted by King Kandy
100%

volume 2 104 came out after the infinity war saga. So the ruling does not apply to all Ig's as we dont' know the timeline of the ruling.

Originally posted by celestialdemon
I read what you wrote. The UN's power was nothing to incomplete IG. Galactus has not grown in power so drastically that the UN (which is a part of his power) would now be more powerful than the complete version of the IG.

The UN has always been vastly more powerful than Galactus. That is why it was able to destroy a universe. Korvak did it. Quasar was going to do it. Big has grown in power and in since the UN is part of him, how come the UN didn't grow in power? enough to fix the multiverse. You can't use the UN"s power fixing the multiverse years later to some how justify a feat done years earlier by a weaker Un and an incompetitant user.

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
volume 2 104 came out after the infinity war saga. So the ruling does not apply to all Ig's as we dont' know the timeline of the ruling.
In terms of when the issue came out, you're right.

But Chronologically, Surfer got it after Thanos, and the ruling happened quite a bit after that.

Originally posted by King Kandy
If those gems aren't speciel, then it's the same everywhere.

lol, that just doesn't fly. That is a weak argument my freind. I want proof that the other IG's coudln't work. especially since the LT didnt' have council with the other Eternities or beings in thier universes.

just so you guys know.... this thread is kindof boring

"THE UN IS BIGGER THAN THE IG"

"NO IT'S NOT"

"YES IT IS"

What we know about the IG thus far

It has never been shown on panel creating any other universes.

It does replace that universes eternity as the supreme being.

It is able to redirect energy from a Un at the time which was stated to be able to destroy a universe and shown on panel as being able to do so in quasar and when Korvak uses it.

It has the ability to rule the malibu Universe(or multiverse I didnt' know malibu was ever shown as a multiverse but what ever).

Now My questions. WHen has the IG ever been shown to

Create a universe?

Be a threat to Multi-eternity?

Be more powerful than any other IG?

Be able to stop someone like HOM wanda from remaking the multiverse

Be able to stop the UN from fixing the Multiverse.

Originally posted by Rick/Genis
just so you guys know.... this thread is kindof boring

"THE UN IS BIGGER THAN THE IG"

"NO IT'S NOT"

"YES IT IS"



Aaarrrrrrggg. But your right.

You guy's can continue to argue about this for six more pages if you want, though. Who's stopping you... certainly not me.

Originally posted by Rick/Genis
You guy's can continue to argue about this for six more pages if you want, though. Who's stopping you... certainly not me.

Doesn't matter. They are basing thier opinion off one of feat that is very subjective that happened years ago by a completely differnt user and a UN that is connected to a weaker version of Big G. There is no getting around that. Besides, There is more than one IG. Anytime you have more than one, It can't be Multiversal.

There's more then one UN, thus it can't be Multiversal.

You just beat yourself.

SNAP!!!

Originally posted by King Kandy
There's more then one UN, thus it can't be Multiversal.

You just beat yourself.

There was more than one. It got destroyed. Thus making only one UN. Korvac used it and it was gone. No more UN's but the one.

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
There was more than one. It got destroyed. Thus making only one UN.
well there USED to be more then one... The other ones being destroyed doesn't make that one stronger.

Originally posted by King Kandy
well there USED to be more then one... The other ones being destroyed doesn't make that one stronger.

Hah. Yeah it does. Look how powerful Big G was and how special he was when all the other big g's had died. It's some kind of theory that when you destroy alternates, the ones left get thier power.

are you going by the theory posted in the movie "the one"?

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
The UN has always been vastly more powerful than Galactus. That is why it was able to destroy a universe. Korvak did it. Quasar was going to do it. Big has grown in power and in since the UN is part of him, how come the UN didn't grow in power? enough to fix the multiverse. You can't use the UN"s power fixing the multiverse years later to some how justify a feat done years earlier by a weaker Un and an incompetitant user.

Please show me where it's stated that Galactus and the UN have gotten a power upgrade.

Originally posted by Rick/Genis
are you going by the theory posted in the movie "the one"?

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
Hah. Yeah it does. Look how powerful Big G was and how special he was when all the other big g's had died. It's some kind of theory that when you destroy alternates, the ones left get thier power.
Bullshit, you just made that up.

Originally posted by celestialdemon
Please show me where it's stated that Galactus and the UN have gotten a power upgrade.

Um. Galactus used to be as powerful as a hand full of planets. NOw he is so powerful and special that his death caused the unraveling of the multiverse. so you tell me.

Originally posted by King Kandy
Bullshit, you just made that up.

No I didn't. did not the deaths of all the other big G's somehow increase the importance of the 616 big G?

Still dude... you lose based on a default that you mentioned the movie "the one" and were serious about it...

Originally posted by celestialdemon


So explain why when all the other big g's died, the 616 got to be so special?

Originally posted by Rick/Genis
Still dude... you lose based on a default that you mentioned the movie "the one" and were serious about it...

I never mentioned the one. I was talking about all the other big g's who died and made the 616 very powerful and important. where do you see me mention the one?

Ooookay... but you're skating on thin ice with me, buster.

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
Um. Galactus used to be as powerful as a hand full of planets. NOw he is so powerful and special that his death caused the unraveling of the multiverse. so you tell me.

His role in the universe has changed. His power hasn't. And his death allows Abraxas to be released, thus causing him to destroy the multiverse. Galactus' death doesn't directly cause the end of the multiverse. Big difference.

Originally posted by Rick/Genis
Ooookay... but you're skating on thin ice with me, buster.

But seriously, how can the IG trump the UN when it's more than one IG and the UN has grown in power by default as it's part of Galactus and obviously galactus has grown in power. One scan showns the full breath of his power to be several planets. Now his death cuases the collapse of the multiverse.

Originally posted by celestialdemon
His role in the universe has changed. His power hasn't. And his death allows Abraxas to be released, thus causing him to destroy the multiverse. Galactus' death doesn't directly cause the end of the multiverse. Big difference.

Would you not agree that Galactus is more powerful than ODin? Odin can destroy galaxies. At one point, and old story of galactus had his max power at the hieght of several planets. So yeah, big G has grown in power alot. thus making the Un the even more powerful.

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
So explain why when all the other big g's died, the 616 got to be so special?

616 has always been special. And nowhere is it stated that killing other incarnations of someone in one reality will increase the power of the remaining ones.

Originally posted by celestialdemon
616 has always been special. And nowhere is it stated that killing other incarnations of someone in one reality will increase the power of the remaining ones.

616 can't be special. Eternity/Infinity said so. They said how can we be concerned about one piece of us that is not the whole or something like that.

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
Would you not agree that Galactus is more powerful than ODin? Odin can destroy galaxies. At one point, and old story of galactus had his max power at the hieght of several planets. So yeah, big G has grown in power alot. thus making the Un the even more powerful.

Yes, Galactus is more powerful but not because of an increase from him. Odin's power was decreased. He used to be able to shake the multiverse with his power. Now, he can't.

Originally posted by celestialdemon
Yes, Galactus is more powerful but not because of an increase from him. Odin's power was decreased. He used to be able to shake the multiverse with his power. Now, he can't.

I dont' know about that.Odin doesn't seem to have been retconned. But your being unfair, your asking for somthing stating big g has gotten more powerful while at the same time saying odin is less powerful with no retconn in place. Big G has constantly been shown to be more powerful than when he fist came out. He went from devour of worlds to a brother of Eternity and Infinity. He has grown from devouring planets to being able to take on Aegis and Tenebrious, beings so powerful that they had to put away. It is my theory that Big G has grown in power and so then has the UN. just look at what is on panel. The UN in the past was used to destroy the Universe by Korvak. And Quasar used it to destroy the Universe. Years later, Reed uses the UN to remake the Multiverse and fix Multi-Eternity. clearly this Un is not on the same power lvl as when quasar used it.

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
I dont' know about that.Odin doesn't seem to have been retconned. But your being unfair, your asking for somthing stating big g has gotten more powerful while at the same time saying odin is less powerful with no retconn in place. Big G has constantly been shown to be more powerful than when he fist came out. He went from devour of worlds to a brother of Eternity and Infinity. He has grown from devouring planets to being able to take on Aegis and Tenebrious, beings so powerful that they had to put away. It is my theory that Big G has grown in power and so then has the UN. just look at what is on panel. The UN in the past was used to destroy the Universe by Korvak. And Quasar used it to destroy the Universe. Years later, Reed uses the UN to remake the Multiverse and fix Multi-Eternity. clearly this Un is not on the same power lvl as when quasar used it.

Going from world devourer to brother to Eternity is a change in status not power. Back then, what other cosmic being was there for him to fight? He didn't have Aegis and Tenebrous back then, so we don't know how he would have faired if he would have fought them back then.

Originally posted by celestialdemon
Going from world devourer to brother to Eternity is a change in status not power. Back then, what other cosmic being was there for him to fight? He didn't have Aegis and Tenebrous back then, so we don't know how he would have faired if he would have fought them back then.

But he wasn't shown as being as powerful as he is today. The korvak thing happened along time ago. and so did the beyonder saga. there have been cosmics around for a long time. Galactus is more powerful than Odin and Galactus back in the day was only shown as being as powerful as a hand full of planets. So he had to have grown in power. Thus making the UN aslo grow in power. It states right on panel that the UN would destroy the Universe. then years later, the Un is able to destroy and fix the Multiverse. IRGo the UN grew in power and as a part of Big G, so did galactus.

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
But he wasn't shown as being as powerful as he is today. The korvak thing happened along time ago. and so did the beyonder saga. there have been cosmics around for a long time. Galactus is more powerful than Odin and Galactus back in the day was only shown as being as powerful as a hand full of planets. So he had to have grown in power. Thus making the UN aslo grow in power. It states right on panel that the UN would destroy the Universe. then years later, the Un is able to destroy and fix the Multiverse. IRGo the UN grew in power and as a part of Big G, so did galactus.

So, you are saying that from back when Galactus was just a world devourer and only as powerful as "a hand full of planets" to his status now as the brother of Eternity, his power has grown, so obviously the UN's power has grown. Galactus was officially "promoted" to brother of Eternity and Death back in '83. The Infinity War happened in '92. If Galactus' power level was increased somewhere else between '92 and '01, then I missed it. If he did, show me, and I will gladly conceed.

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
I dont' know about that.Odin doesn't seem to have been retconned. But your being unfair, your asking for somthing stating big g has gotten more powerful while at the same time saying odin is less powerful with no retconn in place.

I'm not being unfair in saying this. Odin used to be able to affect the multiverse. Since his classic days, he hasn't shown anything near this power level. Neither has Thor since he inherited Odin's power. Other than Galactus' role being upgraded to third force in the universe, his power level hasn't increased drastically. He still devours worlds like he used to, and he's still one of the most powerful beings in the universe just like the Watcher called him back then.

I'm not particularly sure why you need to prove that Galactus has grown in power for the UN to have grown in power, nvrbeenwthgrl. I think an easier argument is that nobody before Reed realized the true power of the UN. Reed was one of the few who could discern the true nature of the UN and what it could possibly do. I mean, everybody thought the UN before 'Abraxas' was just used to destroy, but Reed used it to destroy and recreate. For my two cents, I still adhere to "UN > IG" and all my reasons and arguments have already been espoused in this thread: http://www.killermovies.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=433731&highlight=userid%3A77143

Just to say it, I usually agree with a lot of nvrbeenwthgrl's conclusions, but he just likes to argue from impossible positions sometimes. It's like his hobby.

For the thread topic, I think Reed and hell, why not Thanos (since he seems to be half-decent in a battle of wits), they just trick Mxy and outwit him. I dunno, Reed says he's smarter than Mxy and challenges him with some mathematical equation that ends up with Mxy solving it but spelling his name backwards and poof. Not sure what Batmite does. Last comic I saw him in, his universe was getting owned by Bane-mite and he asked for help, I forgot from who.

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
I'm not particularly sure why you need to prove that Galactus has grown in power for the UN to have grown in power, nvrbeenwthgrl. I think an easier argument is that nobody before Reed realized the true power of the UN. Reed was one of the few who could discern the true nature of the UN and what it could possibly do. I mean, everybody thought the UN before 'Abraxas' was just used to destroy, but Reed used it to destroy and recreate. For my two cents, I still adhere to "UN > IG" and all my reasons and arguments have already been espoused in this thread: http://www.killermovies.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=433731&highlight=userid%3A77143

Just to say it, I usually agree with a lot of nvrbeenwthgrl's conclusions, but he just likes to argue from impossible positions sometimes. It's like his hobby.

For the thread topic, I think Reed and hell, why not Thanos (since he seems to be half-decent in a battle of wits), they just trick Mxy and outwit him. I dunno, Reed says he's smarter than Mxy and challenges him with some mathematical equation that ends up with Mxy solving it but spelling his name backwards and poof. Not sure what Batmite does. Last comic I saw him in, his universe was getting owned by Bane-mite and he asked for help, I forgot from who.

SHH dont' tell any body. But it's fun to argue from the impossible. ANd you are correct, I have been saying that Reed is a much better user of the UN than quasar.

Now I understand why your name is: OneDumbG0

Originally posted by Thanos_THOTU
Now I understand why your name is: OneDumbG0

But his argument is flawless and perfectly logical. But genious only reconizes genious while the masses tend to consume what ever meat is put in front of them as the truth.

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
No he didn't. He erased the Marvel Multiverse. Not the omniverse. Beyonder never erased a Multiverse.

He erased Multiversal Death, and created an infinite universe.

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
But his argument is flawless and perfectly logical. But genious only reconizes genious while the masses tend to consume what ever meat is put in front of them as the truth.
A genius would be able to spell it correctly.

Originally posted by Thanos_THOTU
A genius would be able to spell it correctly.

Yeah what ever. Einstein was a genious and couldn't spell at the well. Neither could Picaso. So What Ever.

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
Yeah what ever. Einstein was a genious and couldn't spell at the well. Neither could Picaso. So What Ever.
Eistein had many flawed theories that were proven wrong, Picaso was only good with a brush.