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Scoobless/Digi's opening statement:

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Soujaboy/Martian Mind's opening post:

hmm, intangible, you say . . .?

Digi Post #2

It seems I'm starting my team off, which is fine. Right now I don't really think Souja/MM have done much to counter our strategy, but allow me to poke some holes in their logic:

Part I. Flaws with the Writeup

A. Juggernaut channeling electricity? Huh. Yeah right. When has he ever done this? Ever. Kind of a crazy "What If" if you ask me.
...oh, and look at this...
http://img176.imageshack.us/my.php?image=electricabsorbvq7.jpg
...that's right kids. Electricity doesn't harm Thor AT ALL when he's wielding Mjolnir. And Warlock has other means of removing the helmet....tk, energy powers. And the teleport will put him right on top of Juggs....the much-vaunted shield won't be doing jack.
So basically the electricity attack is worthless....kinda like Juggernaut in this fight....hehe.

B. Juggs' mobility. Souja wants you to believe Juggs will contribute. Can he jump? Sure. Will this do much? Hell no. He'll be an annoyance, at best. And I told you in the writeup that they'd try to show Juggs physically beating Thor.....but it doesn't matter. That fight will never happen on equal footing. Juggs can play the "rabbit game" until Warlock gets annoyed and deals with him. Simple as that.

C. They seem to think Atom and Juggs will be touching Warlock. A hearty "nice try" to that, but see my first post for details on Warlock. Atom will be flying around against his will stuck to Warlock's surfboard, and also fighting Warlock/Surfer, and Juggs is still way too slow to be a factor in any of these battles.

Part II. Flaws with Souja ( )

Originally posted by Soujaboy

A) Juggernaut

The first part of my post is to establish Juggernauts power, and clear up some of his exaggerated vulnerabilities.

...

Another thing I would like to establish is Juggernauts defenses.

Warlock will never get the chance to touch Cain, let alone dispatch his helmet. Why? because the enchanted shield of Cyttorak, whom when he so pleases allows Cain not to be touched.

...

Now I'll address Juggernauts strength....


Strength? Defenses? All beside the point. Neither will factor greatly into the fight. Juggs is still essentially a minor annoyance at best while the rest of his team gets a 3-on-2 beatdown. As soon as Warlock wants to deal with him, he will. Hell, Juggs could be our first priority, and we still wouldn't sacrifice anything....because Thor and Surfer can still easily beat their other two.

Originally posted by Soujaboy
Captain Atom

* Captain Atom's metal skin is tied into the Quantum Field, which enables him to absorb and manipulate theoretically infinite amounts of energy, the amount of which he can use is, of course, limited by his will power. If Atom absorbs too much energy at once, he is sent hurling through time. Depending on the type of energy absorbed, he either goes forward or backward in time.



Theoretically infinite? I don't even need to touch that one.

And has he ever ebsorbed more than an energy blast from Thanos?
http://img179.imageshack.us/my.php?image=energyabsorb2ny0.png
...yeah, I thought not.

Also, ignore anything at all about the "time displacement" stuff with Cpt. Atom. All of it. Time manip in any form is banned from the tourney. Whatever they're trying to prove with that, it's NOT valid.

Originally posted by Soujaboy
* With focus and effort, Captain Atom can increase any of his abilities to the match the amount of will power he uses to gain it.
* As of Captain Atom: Armageddon #4, Captain Atom has demonstrated minor atomic transmutation powers, as he was able to turn both Maul and Engineer back to their human forms. This power can be used instinctively or through concentration. He has also shown the ability to telepathically interface with computer networks in addition to those listed above.
* In Captain Atom: Armageddon #7, Captain Atom has shown time-travelling capabilities without quantum jumping. Captain Atom states that through concentration, he can briefly travel ahead in time ("about a week or so". The process is exhausting and the period he can interact in the future appears to be limited to a few minutes before he returns to the present.
* Captain Atom's metallic shell, or "skin", is composed of a portion of the alien being known as Silver Shield, and is called Dilustel. Pieces of the alien's metal body were used in the Captain Atom Project, Project Major Force and similar projects thereafter. Nathaniel is able to coat himself with the metal, either partially or totally. Atom's symbiosis with the metal is such that even partially armored he is able to access the Quantum Field.
* The metal is almost totally invulnerable, resistant to various degrees of damage from energy, physical, heat, lasers, etc. Only X-Ionizer technology can cut the metal because that is what the Captain Atom Project used to remove the Silver Shield's skin. The katana wielded by the Cambodian that once sliced through Atom's side was also X-Ionized, his armor was also X-Ionized.


Woot! Yay for Atom! But none of this really helps him. Sorry, but it's just fancy stuff that he's done. None of it explains anything about how he'll actually go about beating our guys. And why is that? Because Atom flat-out can't beat a 2-on-1 and would have trouble even with Warlock or Surfer alone (see more of my first post for how exactly Warlock would be doing this).

And his energy manip isn't anything beyond what pretty much our entire team is capable of.
And his strength/durability isn't as great as our team.
And his fighting prowess certainly isn't as good as Warlock, or the rest of our team with ALL of our collective skills (and Dr. Strange's martial arts) downloaded into them by Warlock's soul-link.
And you can ignore the time manip stuff.
And you don't just absorb Warlock's board....especially when it is brutally attacking you (along with the rest of our team).

I doubt I need to go on.

Originally posted by Soujaboy

1. After Warlock is grappled his will be savagely mauled by an enraged Juggernaut. Warlock has been nearly killed before with Physical might.


Warlock grappled by Juggs? ...moving on.
And yeah, Warlock has been bested. By Thanos, Eternity, Magus with IG, ...etc. It's impossible to overstate his fighting savvy and skill. A slow, dumb Cain would never touch him.

Originally posted by Soujaboy
4. We are invisible.
...this made me laugh. Every one of our guys can detect and affect invisible, intangible, etc. And how long will invisibility last when we're linked telepathically (and thus working more as a team than you guys), blasting you with a Surfer blast x100 to begin the fight, and generally issuing a first-class beat down?

Originally posted by Soujaboy
Cain plays cat and mouse with Thor.
...not happening...we're determining matchups with the numbers advantage. *yawn*

Originally posted by Soujaboy
Beta Ray Bill vs. Thor

The board which is created out of raw energy, will be either absorbed by Bill, or manipulated to surround and contain Thor by Atom.

Mjolnir easily absorbing energy from the power cosmic

http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e101/Soujaboy/Thor%20Scans/ThorvsSurferfirstbattle4.jpg

Sweet. A Mjolnir feat. Thanks for the help.

And your extreme-temperature suit for Bill? Clever, but only around as long as Atom is alive (i.e. not long) or until Thor absorbs it.

And absorbing Thor's board? Yeah, because...ya know, that's how Surfer always loses those fights...

And Surfer's power cosmic upgrade of Thor isn't for energy manip. It's to increase Thor's durability/strength so that he's stronger, faster, and tougher than Bill. There's nothing to absorb....he'll have his own "silver coat", and he'll pwn the f*ck out of BRB.

...

And did Souja just debate for all 3. ...might need to watch that bud.

Alright ladies let's begin.
Firstly lets clear up a few misconceptions that digi/scoob have laid down on us.Firstly their characters won't be choosing the matchups because during prep aside from Creating some uber sheilds we also turned intangible/invisible meaning your surferettes will just arrive to find empty space.

Now heres some info on my boy capt atom

http://img274.imageshack.us/my.php?image=captainatom54163ui.jpg

Basically that says that with concentration my boy is capable of creating a universe indeed he has brought a dead dog back to life by remaking the universe

http://img274.imageshack.us/my.php?image=captainatom055030pz.jpg
http://img274.imageshack.us/my.php?image=captainatom055045hw.jpg
http://img274.imageshack.us/my.php?image=captainatom055052lb.jpg
http://img274.imageshack.us/my.php?image=captainatom055062fo.jpg

So just to clarify no one on their team is capable of defeating Capt mano a mano.

Now as Atoms abilities are manipulation of the quantum feild he can use all of his energy abilities whilst in his intangible state,what does this mean you ask? well it means that upon the approach of the enemies the undetecable Captain will hit thor with one of these bad boys

http://img503.imageshack.us/img503/1312/captainatomarmageddon01pg202no.jpg

Now that thor is a little punch drunk and stuck in a hole in the ground,we will have the unstoppable juggernaut leap town into the hole and turn tangible and visible,i'll leave the details of what occurs in the hole down to Souja
:evil

Now that Thor is out of the way it is a Simple matter of bill portin Phantom to a nice secluded area,maybe the middle of the Annihilation wave?Regardless he is gone for a few minutes leaving adam Silverlass all on his lonesome against a nigh-omnipotent being and a Uber korbinite.Firstly Atom will hit him with his hardest blast(from behind)whilst adam is reeling from the attack it is time for bill to unleash his super-bolt(see initial post for more details,if condition persists see doctor)Now if that bolt somehow doesn't put him down then atom will simply place him in a force feild
http://img261.imageshack.us/my.php?image=extremejustice03205lz.jpg
and pelt him with energy blasts,or unleash an Omni-blast
http://img261.imageshack.us/my.php?image=extremejustice03122kp.jpg
Suffice to say that Warlock will not be leaving the field conscious.

By now Phantom has probably returned but to no avail as any blasts he would send at bill(the only member visible) will be redirected and absorbed by atom
http://img149.imageshack.us/my.php?image=captatom05195ku.jpg
Next Bill ports both he,Phantom and Atom to the sun,where bill would be at optimum levels,meaning a sufer who gave up 10% of his power to Thor is up against a pissed uber-korbinite and a nigh-omnipotent being so there is a slight chance he will be crushed.

They will use a variation of the Warlock crusher,with Capt Sometimes holding him in a forcefield and owning him and then letting bill pummel him,either way he isn't leaving that place conscious.

As they return to the battlefield if they find that by some freak of nature,that thor has Acheived victory he will also face the wrath of a very pissed korbinite and a nigh-omnipotent being they could rinse and repeat or use a different style but we all know that thor loses and Digi/scoob wiil die a little inside as they watch our brilliant strategies.

Souja i shall let you have your juggy rant,G'day and G'dnight mates and good luck Digi/scoobs.

This is a really good battle...

Originally posted by batdude123
This is a really good battle...

Agreed, I'm struck upto now. I have alot to read, I'm going to get right into this.

Just saying...don't comment much on this thread, we have discussion thread for it.

But you are correct, this match roxxors my soxxors.

Originally posted by DarkCrawler
Just saying...don't comment much on this thread, we have discussion thread for it.

But you are correct, this match roxxors my soxxors.

KK is one of the judges.

Oh, sorry.

(I would have posted this hours ago but my Internet connection seems to be on the fritz)

BRB:



Fortunately, I do.

http://img401.imageshack.us/img401/8476/avengers30022ic3.th.jpg

So unless you're putting your entire team in stasis and out of the fight, that whole section of your plan is worthless.

Also, just because Thor and Bill have the same power does not mean they have the same knowledge of their power .... Thor has used Mjolnir for thousands of years ... Bill definitely has not.

Using Thor feats (tx by the way ) to prove Bill's abilities is totally bogus .... it's comparable to comparing Hal Jordan to a GL that's had the ring for a week.
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Now that we've established that you are not invisible or intangible ... and that Bill can't pull out shields and whatnot just because Thor has in the past, it seems like most of your strategy has fallen apart.



Cap Atom

All of the feats you've posted from Armageddon shouldn't be valid as he was upgraded by the Void throughout that series.

The "world remaking" stuff happened within the quantum field, not on the world that the rest of DC lives on and seems highly suspect.... and if he could alter reality on a whim he certainly wouldn't be in this tourney.

And if he's as powerful as you say... then why does he get owned so often?

http://img443.imageshack.us/img443/3739/jlagodsandmonsterspg34sx6.th.jpg http://img187.imageshack.us/img187/7416/jlagodsandmonsterspg35ic6.th.jpg

Within around a second he's beaten by Superman.

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Ok, on to other things.

As you know, Thor is off kicking the crap out of Bill with his new power cosmic upgrade.

Our esteemed opponents seem to think that a Surfer Surfboard is just energy and can be absorbed.... this is wrong, the board is clearly solid. Surfer manipulates matter to create these boards.

With the power cosmic, thor will now be able to increase his strength by absorbing energy in a similar manner to the Surfer, the difference with Surfer is that Thor has an unlimited supply of external energy to draw from at hand at all times.

He simply needs to channel Mjolnir into himself and soak up as much as he feels comfortable with, easily multiplying his strength many, many times over.

The addition of Strange's martial arts abilities (which are extensive) coupled with Warlock's and Thor's own abilities puts him way past Bill in sheer skill while the other enhancements put him way beyond Bill in speed, strength, durability and power.

Bill's "armour" is laughable in comparison to this.

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Warlock Vs Atom .... ask Digi about this
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Phantom helping Warlock Vs Atom

Both Warlock and Phantom have a huge speed/maneuverability advantage over Atom due to their boards

They both have a skill advantage thanks to the combined memories of Strange, Surfer, Warlock, Thor and Phantom himself.

They probably both have a strength advantage over Atom as well.

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Basically, while Warlock is doing his thing, Phantom runs a few circles around the Juggernaut to make him feel involved, blasts a hole underneath him and collapses it when Juggs falls in.... then he rushes Atom, who is distracted fighting Warlock, and just slams the board into the back of his head in a similar manner to this:

http://img48.imageshack.us/img48/2995/111111sn2.th.jpg

That guy (Immortus) beat down both Thor and Surfer in one on one matches prior to Surfer jumping him from behind.

Immortus' strength/durability >>> Cap Atom
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Ok ... So thor is beating Bill through superior power and skill, Juggernaut is trying to climb out of the ground after faux-Surfer caved the hole in on him and Atom is being stomped by the double team.


Once Juggernaut emerges .... well .... Digi is dealing with that for now.

Sorry to interrupt but this match is awsome.

Soujaboy Post #3

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I was hoping you had forgot about the tourney.

Well, um thanks?

No, but being invisible shouldn't be a problem. So when your mules come charging into battle with our mustangs, yous mules will be surprised to find nobody there. Then with the element of surprise we can take the advantage.

Is it really that difficult? I mean is pointing his hammer and simply willing it to create the a shield that difficult, because thats seemingly all Thor ever does. We never see Thor do much besides point the hammer, and whatever he wants to come out, comes out. It's also not like BRB is "new" to the hammer, it shouldn't be that difficult to produce a shield. BRB is half cyborg, it shouldn't be much of a problem producing identical feats with Stormbreaker

Identical hammer which do the same exact same thing, there should be no reason why I can't use Mjolnir(not Thor feats) to help display what Stormbreaker is capable of.

And a "Gl" is non comparable to Thor/BRB. Thor and BRB's power doesn't fluctuate on will power, nor does their power have to be charged. BRB should have no problem duplicating Thor's feats where as it would be more difficult for a GL to do the same, especially considering BRB's had possession of one of the hammers since 1983. To my knowledge 23 years > a week.

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We may not be intangible, but we are invisible.

There should be no reason why Stormbreaker can't duplicate the shields Mjolnir has created in the past.

Are Strategy is still strong, what you should be worried about is how your going to get Warlock free from Cain after his failed attempts at getting Cains helmet off. Looks to me that your most valuable character will be dealt with fairly quickly in this fight.

I'll let MM handle Atom's feats and what not.

I could ask you the same about Thor.

http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e101/Soujaboy/Juggs20vs20Thor0.jpg
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http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e101/Soujaboy/Juggs20vs20Thor5.jpg
http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e101/Soujaboy/Juggs20vs20Thor6.jpg

Looks like your beloved Thor was about to be killed by our useless Cain Marko who didn't even want to fight. It was only a few pages too, that Cain marko works fast.

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I knew no such thing. Bill will cope well even with this power up Thor has received. Bill with his skin tight shield, and quantum armor shouldn't feel the effects from Thor's physical attacks.

It is energy, the same cosmic energy that Surfer outer skin is made of.

What matter does Surfer manipulate in the scan below?

http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e101/Soujaboy/annihilationsilversurfer4011fz3.jpg

None, he simply releases energy from his hands to create another shield. There was matter manipulation involved, but even if there was it would be no problem for Atom or Bill to manipulate the energy into a prison that holds Warlock/Phantom/Thor.

What would stop BRB from absorbing the energy from Thor? nothing, BRB can either....

1. Absorb the energy back from Thor, leaving Thor at normal power lv's.

2. Stormbreaker/Mjolnir can reverse energy polarities (Avengers#70 vs. Hyperion- meaning that BRB can reverse the energy power up process, weakening Thor.

3. Give Thor one of these(scans below) while he stands there gloating about the energy he's absorbing.

http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e101/Soujaboy/Thor%20Scans/BetaThor5.jpg
http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e101/Soujaboy/Thor%20Scans/BetaThor6.jpg

Either option will leave Thor vulnerable for more attacks, you and I both know how aggressive BRB is.

Like I said, Thor may slightly edge Bill in the skill department, but due to the shield and Quantum armor Bill should be fine. However Thor is still vulnerable for attack, and can and will feel pain.

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Like I said, the boards are created from raw cosmic energy, and thus can be absorbed and or manipulated by Atom or Bill.

A skill advantage wont help vs character who are virtually invulnerable. We will not feel any pain, due to our initial plan.

Again a strength advantage wont mean much considering the defensive prep placed upon Atom.

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If you follow your initial plan (which you wont) than Warlock will be catching a beat down from Cain. Cain after completely decimating Warlock(kind of like how he did Thor), will then help take care of Thor. Phantom during this time has been teleported away by Bill (this should leave him out of the battle for a brief period.) and the double beat down shall commence. After his battle with Cain, Thor will be left dead and this leaves us only with Phantom. Phantom returns to be triple teamed.

It's good your crawling away from your initial plan, because it would have been lights out for your team.

However this plan wont work either. Your baords have already been absorbed and or manipulated into prisons. Juggernaut will not be put out the fight so easily, especially considering his jumping abilities. Even if you did manage to strike Atom from behind with your board, the shield should keep him safe from harm. Thor's power up has already been dealt with, thus BRB will reacieve no beating especially with his uber shield.

so next.

Ummm...Soujaboy/Martian Mind's opening post scans arn't working

Juggernauts leaping abilities

http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e101/Soujaboy/x-menforever06.jpg

Juggernauts Thunder Clap

http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e101/Soujaboy/JuggernautShockwave.jpg

http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e101/Soujaboy/generationx61098pv.jpg

Juggernaut fights off the telepathic assult of a demigod

http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e101/Soujaboy/jug8thdayp318bm.jpg
http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e101/Soujaboy/jug8thdayp328ck.jpg

Beta Ray Comments on how the heat revives him.

http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e101/Soujaboy/Thor%20Scans/Thor33822.jpg

An example of Atom's power

http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e101/Soujaboy/captainatomarmageddon01pg164ob1.jpg
http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e101/Soujaboy/captainatomarmageddon01pg198lz.jpg
http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e101/Soujaboy/captainatomarmageddon01pg202no.jpg

An example of Beta Ray's Agressiveness

http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e101/Soujaboy/Thor%20Scans/BRBvsStardust1.jpg
http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e101/Soujaboy/Thor%20Scans/BRBvsStardust2.jpg
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http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e101/Soujaboy/Thor%20Scans/BRBvsStardust5.jpg
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http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e101/Soujaboy/Thor%20Scans/BRBvsStardust16.jpg
http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e101/Soujaboy/Thor%20Scans/BRBvsStardust17.jpg

Originally posted by Soujaboy
No, but being invisible shouldn't be a problem.

It will be considering the attempt you made during your prep only freezes things in time.

Originally posted by Soujaboy
not like BRB is "new" to the hammer, it shouldn't be that difficult to produce a shield. BRB is half cyborg, it shouldn't be much of a problem producing identical feats with Stormbreaker

It may not be difficult if he had any idea of half the things the hammer was capable of, but as he doesn't then you using Thor w/Mjolnir feats is total BS

Originally posted by Soujaboy
considering BRB's had possession of one of the hammers since 1983. To my knowledge 23 years > a week.

Real time does not equal comic time ... BRB has had a hammer for a handful of years tops, Thor has had his for thousands of years, the analogy stands

Thor's hammer experience >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Bill's

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Originally posted by Soujaboy
We may not be intangible, but we are invisible.

Based on what?

Originally posted by Soujaboy
There should be no reason why Stormbreaker can't duplicate the shields Mjolnir has created in the past.

If you can show that Bill can do it or has seen it done then post it.... if not then he isn't doing it.

Originally posted by Soujaboy
Are Strategy is still strong, what you should be worried about is how your going to get Warlock free from Cain after his failed attempts at getting Cains helmet off. Looks to me that your most valuable character will be dealt with fairly quickly in this fight.

Nope, as Digi said, Warlock isn't going near Juggs until Cap and Bill are toast (which wont take long)

Originally posted by Soujaboy
http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e101/Soujaboy/Juggs20vs20Thor0.jpg
http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e101/Soujaboy/Juggs20vs20Thor1.jpg
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http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e101/Soujaboy/Juggs20vs20Thor6.jpg

Looks like your beloved Thor was about to be killed by our useless Cain Marko who didn't even want to fight. It was only a few pages too, that Cain marko works fast.

That's 8th day version Juggernaut, you do not have that version so those scans are completely pointless.... even moreso because Thor isn't going to be fighting Juggernaut here.


Originally posted by Soujaboy
It is energy, the same cosmic energy that Surfer outer skin is made of.

It is a solid skin created from an energy source.

Originally posted by Soujaboy
What matter does Surfer manipulate in the scan below?

http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e101/Soujaboy/annihilationsilversurfer4011fz3.jpg

He transforms energy into matter ... seems obvious.


Originally posted by Soujaboy
BRB can either....

1. Absorb the energy back from Thor, leaving Thor at normal power lv's.

BRB cannot absorb the power cosmic out of a character, especially Thor, who can block any hammer trick Bill attempts.

Originally posted by Soujaboy
2. Stormbreaker/Mjolnir can reverse energy polarities (Avengers#70 vs. Hyperion- meaning that BRB can reverse the energy power up process, weakening Thor.

Thor can .... show me where Bill has done that.


Originally posted by Soujaboy
you and I both know how aggressive BRB is.

Yup, and his aggression is the reason he normally fights without thinking... for instance, Stardust was an energy creature firing energy at Bill .... and not once did Bill even try to absorb any of it.


Originally posted by Soujaboy
Like I said, the boards are created from raw cosmic energy, and thus can be absorbed and or manipulated by Atom or Bill.

No, they really can't .... show one time, in all the Surfer's appearances, where anyone has absorbed his surfboard.

Originally posted by Soujaboy
A skill advantage wont help vs character who are virtually invulnerable. We will not feel any pain, due to our initial plan.

Thor = BRB
Power Cosmic >>> Captain Atom
Thor + power Cosmic >>>>> BRB with a suit of energy armour

Thor + Power Cosmic + all of Surfer's memories means that any energy armour is absolutely useless ... it's either absorbed or destroyed the moment Thor sees it.

Originally posted by Soujaboy
Again a strength advantage wont mean much considering the defensive prep placed upon Atom.

Surfer's skin >>> Atom's armour
Surfer's abilities >>> Atom's abilities
Surfer + enhanced Warlock = Atom dying


Originally posted by Soujaboy
Phantom during this time has been teleported away by Bill

Teleportation for BFR was banned in the rules.

And Bill is busy dying.

Originally posted by Soujaboy
It's good your crawling away from your initial plan.

Our plan is working fine, you just didn't follow it... if you did you'd note that Juggernaut isn't going near anyone until after BRB and Atom are out of it. yet you seem to have him taking out both Thor and warlock as soon as the match starts ... which is funny as they can move at lightspeed and Juggs has trouble hitting 50mph

Originally posted by Soujaboy
However this plan wont work either. Your baords have already been absorbed and or manipulated into prisons.

Literally can't happen... and while you're wasting time attempting it you'll be KOd

Originally posted by Soujaboy
Juggernaut will not be put out the fight so easily, especially considering his jumping abilities. Even if you did manage to strike Atom from behind with your board, the shield should keep him safe from harm.

Juggernaut is buried under miles of rock, Atom's shields aren't standing up to an all out Surfer + Warlock attack & drain.

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Thor fighting Bill ... while it may appear, cosmetically, that they have similar power ups, they really, really, don't.

Bill has a shield thrown up by someone else, Thor has been imbued with the Power Cosmic, he is coated in an indestructible silver skin, he can create energy shields on a whim, he is much faster than ever before, he has a massive strength boost that, quite possibly, has no upper limit, he has the innate ability to transmute Bill's energy shields and armour even without the hammer.....

Most importantly, he has the knowledge/experience to do all this as though it was second nature to him.

Bill's simple shield/armour combo is nothing to someone who can control all forms of energy and manipulate matter with a wave of his hand.

All this plus Thor has all his own memories of Bill's fighting style.... whereas Bill can't even guess at what Thor now knows.

And again, Thor's feats are not Bill's feats. Experience is key here.

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Juggernaut = far too slow to even worry about until Atom and Bill are done, therefore this match is and always was a 3 on 2 curbstomp for the most part.

The judges for this match are:

jinzin
juggernaut66666
Kallark Kent
Soljer
xmarksthespot

So were getting into th good stuff Now are we,excellent

Rightio lets begin.It is still well within our abilities to turn invisible and intangible how you ask? well simple.Captaain Atom is a molecular manipulator of the highest order and has shown that he can control his Suit and body density
http://img274.echo.cx/my.php?image=captainatom54163ui.jpg
http://img256.imageshack.us/my.php?image=captatom25040xw.jpg

In those scans he shows that he has excellent control of his own molecules to the point that he can stash objects inside himself(he pulls the photo out of himself)So it would seem as though it is quite easy to alter his own density and it in all probability would be a simple matter to do to bill(we won't bother with Juggs as his strength lies in his indestructible bulk)

Unfortunately for Digi/scoobs he is also an energy weilder of the highest order,not only capable of generating light.
http://img256.imageshack.us/my.php?image=captatom22198lp.jpg

To actually camoflouging himself with it!! So what does this mean?that he can manipulate the light around himself and Bill so as to produce invisibility.

So poor Digi/scoobs you didn't stop our strategy we just went by it in a different fashion.

As for this little number advantage your assuming you have That doesnt Apply once Capt Atom has Smashed thor into the ground
http://img503.imageshack.us/img503/1312/captainatomarmageddon01pg202no.jpg
(don't believe what Scoob has said,the Void was only active in Capt During issue #9 this is from #1 regardless i have already proven that Capt is powerful enough to do this when NOT amped)Once thor is there all Juggy has to do is jump in.Now If Digi/scoobs want to say that Adam is a great tactician and will not fall for this trick,well they will have to accept the facet of thors personality witch means the instant he sees Juggs he will attack,it's his style especially since there is Emnity with Warlock over the whole him trying to take Sif thing.

Once they are in the hole thor will not leave due to his code of honor in H2H combat that's why he never brings down hulk.

So we have Bill left over,What BS call is it that Thors feats are not his?i would like to take this opportunity to provide Digi/scoobs that Classic thor(the one with all the powers)had no memory of his thousands of years in existence because
a)2000 years Ago he was memory wiped by the eternals
b)He was using the form of donald blake in his first adventures and he had only possesed the hammer for about 3-5 comic years before he met bill.So he only had 3 or so years more experience then Bill and even with This extra Experience lost to bill in both their Enounters(they were circumstantial but still his hammer didn't help him)Indeed the only time thor has successfully but Bill down was when bill refused to battle him at all and thor was all-out savage,So i find the claim that Bill could not use the hammer to be insultingly ignorant especially since he was once instructing two other hammer weilders how to use their hammers to maximum potential.We clear? Good

Now i have also seen that Digi was having a comment about Adams supposed speed advantage he does not have access to surfers full speed only the speed of light(tourneys max) That is inconsiquential as he is trapped in a forcefeild with an untouchable captain Atom so woopdido Basil for his speed.Digis team is not picking the matchups nor the terms and conditions of the battle alright!!we are striking silently and Undetectably whilst thinning the ranks of there team,Its divide and Conquer and it works.

Soujaboy Post #4

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It was actually rendering us invisible, but hey if there's a problem with that then this should suffice.

http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e101/Soujaboy/Thor%20Scans/BillvsEgoR22.jpg

Either way, our team has the element of surprise on our side.


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Bill has more knowledge of the hammer then your giving him credit for. The scans below show Bill Stormbreaker's communication between itself and Bill, and it's tracking abilities. It also shows that Bill has an extreme experience with the hammer.

http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e101/Soujaboy/Thor%20Scans/track1ast0.jpg
http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e101/Soujaboy/Thor%20Scans/track1bhu0.jpg

Note: One more thing I'd like to add is that it's also obvious that Masterson reveres Bill as much more experienced than himself, and it hints a little bit at Bill's skills as a leader.(thanks Howard)


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That may be true, by the fact still stands that Beta Ray had had 23 years of real time to have comic writers establish his experience with Stormbreaker.

I'm confused, because i'm positive it doesn't take thousands of years to learn how to create a shield?

Thor has more experience than Bill, thats great. Doesn't change the fact that Bill has experience with Stormbreaker, and should have no problem creating a shield.

And if you doubt Bill's intelligence, the scans below will display how fast he learned how to use Zaarko's time machine.

http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e101/Soujaboy/Thor%20Scans/machine1azy3.jpg
http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e101/Soujaboy/Thor%20Scans/machine1bst5.jpg

The difficulty of learning how to use a highly technical time machine > The difficulty of having years to learn how to point a hammer and have a shield materialize.


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Based on the fact that Bill can twirl his hammer in a circle.


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I can't show Bill doing so just as you can't show Thor doing so. All I can give you is what Mjolnir has done, the duplicate hammer of Stormbreaker.


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Since your now not going towards Cain, then we'll come to you. Captain Atom can quickly imprison Warlock in a impenetrable shield, and materializes another around that. At this exact time, Bill quickly teleports Cain inside the same shield giving him the time to grab hold of Warlock and commence the beating.

However this most likely will not be necessary, especially considering the battle is taking place in a crater on the moon. Meaning Juggernauts leaping abilities should be proficient enough to get him around.


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8th day Juggernaut is your normal everyday, bust your jaw, kill your pride, stomp your head, Classic Juggernaut. The common misconception is that 8th day Juggernaut is more powerful than his classic form. This unfortunately for you is untrue, it's Juggernaut that was focused and had Cyttorak in his mind calling him to complete a task. It was established in The recent Excalibur arc, that Cain has always had Cyttorak prying at his mind, thus there was no difference in 8th day.

I would also like to add that Superman is not on your team yet you had no problem posting scans showing him besting Captain Atom, but hey who doesn't Superman own? I recall a time when Thor was bested by him. Do you remember it?


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It's a solid skin created from the power cosmic. The power cosmic when you break it down, equates to energy. Our team as you may already know, are the best at manipulating and absorbing energy.


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If he transforms energy into matter, than our team should have no problem reversing the process(if you ask how, I stated as much in earlier post). Your team will then no longer have the boards. it's not like the boards will help much in battle situations anyways. From what we've seen in Surfer's history, the board only aids him when moving in strait lines or between planets.


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Why not?

The power cosmic = cosmic energy = energy.

Our team = Master energy manipulators.

The scans below show Bill absorbing the energy from the living planet Ego. if Bill can easily absorb that energy form planetary size beings, than he should have no problem absorbing the cosmic energy boosting Thor, and the energy powering Surfer.

http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e101/Soujaboy/Thor%20Scans/BillvsEgo.jpg
http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e101/Soujaboy/Thor%20Scans/BillvsEgo2.jpg
http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e101/Soujaboy/Thor%20Scans/BillvsEgo3.jpg
http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e101/Soujaboy/Thor%20Scans/BillvsEgo4.jpg



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Thor cannot, However Mjolnir can meaning Stormbreaker can.



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Would you rather have him boast as Thor does, because that helps a lot?

Bill may not have absorbed the energy, but he instead matched it.

http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e101/Soujaboy/Thor%20Scans/BRBvsStardust4.jpg


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Unfortunately in this tourney we'll be unable to show in cosmic history what happens in our plans. Comic character don't tend to be as smart as us comic readers.

But hey, show me a time in cannon cosmic history where Thor became Silver Thor Surfer.


There should be no reason why Atom or Bill can't reverse the process, and have the board reversed back into raw cosmic energy.



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Thor = BRB

The power cosmic as a whole, as in the one ultimately controlled by Galactus > Atom. However the power cosmic wielded by Surfer is in no way greater than Atom's energy output.

Thor won't have the power cosmic, it will be absorbed. I would also like for you to add the skin tight shield along with Bill's Quantum armor.

Again Thor won't have the power cosmic for long, and if he does the extra strength and durability wont help much against Bill's impenetrable shield. Bill will not feel Thor's strikes, however the same can't be said for Thor. You also forget about the super blast Bill has stored for your team. It would cause major damage to any character on your team.



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Surfer has been temporarily placed in a shield and teleported to the core of the moon, so our team has a few minutes with your other two teammates. By time Surfer returns, he wont be owning anyone. This is interchangeable by the way, either Surfer or Thor can be sent to the core as long as we have time with Warlock for at least a second.



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It's only temporary, it's not like we sent him to another dimension, just to the core of the battlefield.

Bill won't be killed by the Asgardian prince, especially with our supercharged attack ready for go.


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Na it's not. If you attack Cain first(which your initial plan was to have Warlock take on Cain) then Warlock is quickly grappled and defeated. If you plan to leave Cain alone, then we'll have Atom create a few shields around you, and have BRB teleport Cain inside the shield so he has alone time with Warlock. Either way, the outcome is the same, with warlock dead and defeated.


Whats flying at light speed going to help in a battlefield thats less than a mile long?

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I have already addressed the absorption of the boards, it should be no problem for us to manipulate them into prisons, or simply have Cain break them.


Our team wont be ko'd, our defensive prep will hold up.


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Juggernaut won't be stopped by rocks.



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Bill is ready for attack from Thor. he has a shield that have taken universal null bombs, and quantum armor that keeps him constantly at peak performance. No matter how much energy Thor puts out(which won't be much with only 10% of the power cosmic) Bill will be able to cope with it. Bill also has the option of simply reversing the energy polarities that gave Thor the power cosmic. This strategy will leave Thor weakened instead of strengthened.

Thor may be faster in a strait line(this won't be the case after his board is manipulated and or absorbed) than he was before, but his reflexes will remain the same. His speed won't be anything Bill hasn't dealt with, especially after Bill's display when figghting Stardust.

What will this strength boost help? Bill still has this uber durable shield leaving him protected. Thor is the defenseless one here, he has no defense for the stored supercharged attack(similar to the one that nearly killed him fighting with Mangog). The only additional defense Thor has is an extra 10% that he received from Surfer.

http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e101/Soujaboy/Thor%20Scans/SilverS17.jpg

Whats 10% of that armor going to help?

All this extra knowledge isn't going to help when his brains are being rattled at the very beginning of the battle. He wont be expecting for Bill to have his attack ready.

We've already figured out a way to reverse Thor's portion of power cosmic.

Bill won't have to guess, he'll be able to hit Thor with his initial attack leaving him stunned.

Thor feats aren't Thor's feats, there Mjolnirs feats and Stormbreaker = Mjolnir.



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I've already went over Cain.

Cool. Judges!

Digi's Post #3

First, observations. Second, specific counter-points to their posts.

A. They've used a bunch of Thor's Feats to debate for BRB. This utterly invalid, and actually strengthens our team.

B. They keep forgetting that Juggernaut is still WAY more immobile than our entire team, and that we're determining matchups, not them, because of this. Juggernaut would be lucky to hit a couple hundreds MPH. All of our team can fight at super-sonic speeds, and even approach light speed.

C. They have yet to offer ANY sort of proof that Juggernaut can channel electricity. He's a brawler, not an energy manipulator, or a balloon. It's just a fancy guess, with no basis in fact. And even if it wasn't, that attack is pretty weak in the scheme of things anyway.

D. The Invisibility and Intangibility feat they're using? Thor did that. Not Bill. I'll be nice and not add it to our battle plan, but they won't be doing it, because they have no evidence whatsoever that BRB has knowledge of that. Thor's experience with Mjolnir >>>>>> Bill with Stormbreaker.

D-1. And to keep them invisible and intangible, Stormbreaker would have to be whirling around them (see the scan for details). Meaning? BRB wouldn't even have Stormbreaker for the fight. So bogus feat + harming their own team = owned.

E. They also keep arguing that they'll absorb Warlock and Thor's board. This is ridiculous. With physically and tactically superior opponents fighting them, they won't have time to say "Oh, a board made of energy flying at me at near-lightspeed. I think I'll absorb it now." They'll be getting the life beat out of them by the board and our team. No absorbing will be taking place.


Originally posted by Soujaboy
No, but being invisible shouldn't be a problem.

Yeah, actually, it's a huge problem, and something they can't actually do.

Originally posted by Soujaboy
Identical hammer which do the same exact same thing, there should be no reason why I can't use Mjolnir(not Thor feats) to help display what Stormbreaker is capable of.

Except that Mjolnir took centuries to properly wield. Once again, it would be like saying Kyle Rayner, after having a GL ring for a month, could duplicate every feat Hal has ever done.

It doesn't work like that.


Originally posted by Soujaboy
And a "Gl" is non comparable to Thor/BRB. To my knowledge 23 years > a week. .

Actually, it's a great analogy to use. Powers are different, but experience is what we're talking about. And sure, 23 years > week. But 500+ years >>>> 23 years, especially when you can't back up your points with actual things Bill has done.

You can't beat us with Thor....he's on our team.

Originally posted by Soujaboy
Are Strategy is still strong, what you should be worried about is how your going to get Warlock free from Cain after his failed attempts at getting Cains helmet off. Looks to me that your most valuable character will be dealt with fairly quickly in this fight.

While I'm psyched that you consider Warlock our MVP, you're completely wrong about this aspect of the battle.

We're not dealing with Juggernaut until we want to. He can't fly, isn't fast, and we're more powerful than your team. We won't be dealing with him until either Atom or BRB is dead, which won't take long. So all your fancy ideas with Juggs mean nothing.

Originally posted by Soujaboy

http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e101/Soujaboy/Juggs20vs20Thor0.jpg
http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e101/Soujaboy/Juggs20vs20Thor1.jpg
http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e101/Soujaboy/Juggs20vs20Thor2.jpg
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http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e101/Soujaboy/Juggs20vs20Thor4.jpg
http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e101/Soujaboy/Juggs20vs20Thor5.jpg
http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e101/Soujaboy/Juggs20vs20Thor6.jpg

Looks like your beloved Thor was about to be killed by our useless Cain Marko who didn't even want to fight. It was only a few pages too, that Cain marko works fast.

1. That's 8th Day Juggs, not your draft pick.
2. Thor won't be brawling Juggs in this fight. Ever.
3. Thor's got massive upgrades now....it wouldn't even be the same fight.


Originally posted by Martian_mind
Firstly lets clear up a few misconceptions that digi/scoob have laid down on us.Firstly their characters won't be choosing the matchups because during prep aside from Creating some uber sheilds we also turned intangible/invisible meaning your surferettes will just arrive to find empty space.

Nah, your intangible/invisible thing has already been shot to hell. It won't be happening at all.

Originally posted by Martian_mind
Basically that says that with concentration my boy is capable of creating a universe indeed he has brought a dead dog back to life by remaking the universe

http://img274.imageshack.us/my.php?image=captainatom055030pz.jpg
http://img274.imageshack.us/my.php?image=captainatom055045hw.jpg
http://img274.imageshack.us/my.php?image=captainatom055052lb.jpg
http://img274.imageshack.us/my.php?image=captainatom055062fo.jpg

So just to clarify no one on their team is capable of defeating Capt mano a mano.

....so just to clarify, that feat is totally invalid. I don't know the circumstances surrounding the issue, but Atom's comment of "Well, it's my universe" and the comment about him being "within the quantum field" suggest to me that something was different than normal to allow him to do that.

Second, if it is completely legit, which is doubtful at best, destroying a universe is IG type stuff, and also completely inconsistent with Atom's character and every other showing he's ever had, and also invalid for tourney purposes.


Originally posted by Martian_mind
Firstly Atom will hit him with his hardest blast(from behind)whilst adam is reeling from the attack it is time for bill to unleash his super-bolt(see initial post for more details,if condition persists see doctor)Now if that bolt somehow doesn't put him down then atom will simply place him in a force feild
http://img261.imageshack.us/my.php?image=extremejustice03205lz.jpg
and pelt him with energy blasts,or unleash an Omni-blast
http://img261.imageshack.us/my.php?image=extremejustice03122kp.jpg
Suffice to say that Warlock will not be leaving the field conscious.

Where to start?

My entire spiel on Warlock was intended to drive home the idea that no one will be attacking Warlock by surprise. You AREN'T invisibile or intangible. And Warlock's way more skilled.

He's teleported out of the way of a Galactus blast before. Your boy Atom won't be any different. He'll use up a bunch of energy, think he's sweet, then Warlock will calmly smack him around after letting Atom expend himself for no good reason. He's faster (the board), smarter, more skilled, and probably more powerful overall. And Atom will be getting double-teamed.

And while I'm thinking of it, any feats when he was in the Wildstorm Universe (like beating Majestic) are invalid. He had a large upgrade from The Void at the time. He's back to classic levels for this fight, and it's the level that got owned by Superman (Scoob posted the pick) and the level that can't compete with our team.

Atom's screwed.

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Everyone keeps saying that this is a great match. I'm glad everyone's enjoying it, but we've deconstructed most of their plan and simply have them outclassed....I think they're doing a great job talking up their boys, but I just can't see the "great match". Juggs is such a huge liability that it's almost laughable, and the rest of their team won't be faring much better This is a flat-out curbstomp.

Originally posted by DigiMark007
Cool. Judges!

Digi's Post #3

First, observations. Second, specific counter-points to their posts.

A. They've used a bunch of Thor's Feats to debate for BRB. This utterly invalid, and actually strengthens our team.

B. They keep forgetting that Juggernaut is still WAY more immobile than our entire team, and that we're determining matchups, not them, because of this. Juggernaut would be lucky to hit a couple hundreds MPH. All of our team can fight at super-sonic speeds, and even approach light speed.

C. They have yet to offer ANY sort of proof that Juggernaut can channel electricity. He's a brawler, not an energy manipulator, or a balloon. It's just a fancy guess, with no basis in fact. And even if it wasn't, that attack is pretty weak in the scheme of things anyway.

D. The Invisibility and Intangibility feat they're using? Thor did that. Not Bill. I'll be nice and not add it to our battle plan, but they won't be doing it, because they have no evidence whatsoever that BRB has knowledge of that. Thor's experience with Mjolnir >>>>>> Bill with Stormbreaker.

D-1. And to keep them invisible and intangible, Stormbreaker would have to be whirling around them (see the scan for details). Meaning? BRB wouldn't even have Stormbreaker for the fight. So bogus feat + harming their own team = owned.

E. They also keep arguing that they'll absorb Warlock and Thor's board. This is ridiculous. With physically and tactically superior opponents fighting them, they won't have time to say "Oh, a board made of energy flying at me at near-lightspeed. I think I'll absorb it now." They'll be getting the life beat out of them by the board and our team. No absorbing will be taking place.




Yeah, actually, it's a huge problem, and something they can't actually do.



Except that Mjolnir took centuries to properly wield. Once again, it would be like saying Kyle Rayner, after having a GL ring for a month, could duplicate every feat Hal has ever done.

It doesn't work like that.




Actually, it's a great analogy to use. Powers are different, but experience is what we're talking about. And sure, 23 years > week. But 500+ years >>>> 23 years, especially when you can't back up your points with actual things Bill has done.

You can't beat us with Thor....he's on our team.



While I'm psyched that you consider Warlock our MVP, you're completely wrong about this aspect of the battle.

We're not dealing with Juggernaut until we want to. He can't fly, isn't fast, and we're more powerful than your team. We won't be dealing with him until either Atom or BRB is dead, which won't take long. So all your fancy ideas with Juggs mean nothing.



1. That's 8th Day Juggs, not your draft pick.
2. Thor won't be brawling Juggs in this fight. Ever.
3. Thor's got massive upgrades now....it wouldn't even be the same fight.




Nah, your intangible/invisible thing has already been shot to hell. It won't be happening at all.



....so just to clarify, that feat is totally invalid. I don't know the circumstances surrounding the issue, but Atom's comment of "Well, it's my universe" and the comment about him being "within the quantum field" suggest to me that something was different than normal to allow him to do that.

Second, if it is completely legit, which is doubtful at best, destroying a universe is IG type stuff, and also completely inconsistent with Atom's character and every other showing he's ever had, and also invalid for tourney purposes.




Where to start?

My entire spiel on Warlock was intended to drive home the idea that no one will be attacking Warlock by surprise. You AREN'T invisibile or intangible. And Warlock's way more skilled.

He's teleported out of the way of a Galactus blast before. Your boy Atom won't be any different. He'll use up a bunch of energy, think he's sweet, then Warlock will calmly smack him around after letting Atom expend himself for no good reason. He's faster (the board), smarter, more skilled, and probably more powerful overall. And Atom will be getting double-teamed.

And while I'm thinking of it, any feats when he was in the Wildstorm Universe (like beating Majestic) are invalid. He had a large upgrade from The Void at the time. He's back to classic levels for this fight, and it's the level that got owned by Superman (Scoob posted the pick) and the level that can't compete with our team.

Atom's screwed.

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Everyone keeps saying that this is a great match. I'm glad everyone's enjoying it, but we've deconstructed most of their plan and simply have them outclassed....I think they're doing a great job talking up their boys, but I just can't see the "great match". Juggs is such a huge liability that it's almost laughable, and the rest of their team won't be faring much better This is a flat-out curbstomp.

Well this was a waste of your post Digi.I have already proven that Thor has little to no Advantage over bill utilising the hammer why?because thor only has the memories of his time as donald blake and onwards and guess what?he only had that hammer 3-5 years before bill claimed stormbreaker and even when he first obtained the hammer he was capable of using it to full potential,hell it was classic Newb thor who used those abilities more than anyone comprende?

So thor does not have a hammer advantage over bill and even if he did it would not matter simply because it won't be Bill VS Thor it will be Thor VS Juggs why?because thor is stuck in a hole with Juggs.He was put there when an Intangible Invisible Capt Atom Blew Thors ass into it
http://img503.imageshack.us/img503/1312/captainatomarmageddon01pg202no.jpg

How did he acheive this without being Noticed
1)he can control his density
http://img274.imageshack.us/my.php?image=captainatom54163ui.jpg
2)he can manipulate light
http://img256.imageshack.us/my.php?image=captatom22198lp.jpg

So it doesn't matter that bill can't turn as into wraiths because We have Captain Atom to do it Comprende?

You keep stating you have the number advantage,BS i say i have given the strategy and it ends up as Thor locked in a pit with Juggy(thor will not use his exotic powers simply because he is the type to go H2H)and Space phantom ends up on the far side of the universe.So are you truly under the impression that Adam warlock on a surfboard can take Bill and Atom at the same time?my god all they need to score a win over Adam is for Bill to surround them with a Forcefeild(Atom can reinforce it)http://img230.imageshack.us/my.php?image=zerohour1129re.jpg
And Adam is trapped.As a Wraith it is well within Atoms Abilities to just sit there and release Omni-blasts
http://img261.imageshack.us/my.php?image=extremejustice03122kp.jpg
or just blast the crap out of him
http://img256.imageshack.us/my.php?image=captatom29196cp.jpg
Now whats that you say?Warlock can absorb energy to!!!!well that's nice however i doubt he can do it to an infinite level and energy absorbtion didn't help this happy little camper
http://img188.imageshack.us/my.php?image=justiceleagueeurope17p184zg.jpg
As the quantum feild is unlimited so is the energy Atom can put out,but not the amount Warlock can Absorb.

So space phantom returns only to find that he is now all on his lonesome against Bill and a Uber-wraith,so tell me what happens when bill(whom i have proven is equal or disturbingly close to)Thors skill ports all three of them to the sun,What then?all my guys have to do is rinse and repeat their old Strategy on Warlock and if that somehow against all odds isn't working Bill can put Phantom and Atom in a Forcefeild and Atom could turn Tangible and Rip open His containment suit.
http://img82.imageshack.us/my.php?image=invasion03174ci.jpg
http://img82.imageshack.us/my.php?image=invasion03251qr.jpg
That was Two GL greats who struggled to hold in Atom two of the best,So if Atom did off himself that would be the end of Phantom(of course phantom would not require Atom to kill himself i'm just saying phantom is doomed)

So our happy campers have returned home to find either Juggs with an Unconscious thor beaten to a bloody pulp Or through some Miracle a tired bruised triumhent Thor whom they could Pounce on and crush hard with a nice rinse and repeat strategy.

I'm with Digi i don't understand how people are saying this is a good match.I mean digi/scoobs talk a good game but c'mon this IS a curbstomp...but in our favour not theirs.

Digi's Post #4

I've basically covered main points in my previous posts. This will mainly just be counter-points.

Originally posted by Martian_mind
Well this was a waste of your post Digi.I have already proven that Thor has little to no Advantage over bill utilising the hammer why?because thor only has the memories of his time as donald blake and onwards and guess what?he only had that hammer 3-5 years before bill claimed stormbreaker and even when he first obtained the hammer he was capable of using it to full potential,hell it was classic Newb thor who used those abilities more than anyone comprende?

Here's the difference though:

We're proving with scans everything that we want Thor to do. You don't have evidence for half the stuff Bill is attemtping, and you're using Mjolnir feats for Stormbreaker.

Timelines, Donald Blake, blah blah. The fact remains Thor has more on-panel feats that prove what he can do. So I don't even care if I don't have 2000 years of experience. Thor has shown to be more versatile, period....even within the last 10-20 years of Marvel comics.

Originally posted by Martian_mind
So thor does not have a hammer advantage over bill and even if he did it would not matter simply because it won't be Bill VS Thor it will be Thor VS Juggs why?because thor is stuck in a hole with Juggs.He was put there when an Intangible Invisible Capt Atom Blew Thors ass into it
http://img503.imageshack.us/img503/1312/captainatomarmageddon01pg202no.jpg

1. The invisible/intengible thing is still a Thor feat. Thus, it should be ignored.
2. That Cpt. Atom feat came when he had an upgrade from The Void in the Wildstorm Universe....and should also be ignored.
3. Posting the same scan twice doesn't make it more valid.

Originally posted by Martian_mind
(thor will not use his exotic powers simply because he is the type to go H2H)

Wrong. Adam Warlock is in charge of our team's strategy, and has access to everyone's powers/abilities via the soul-link in our prep, and the telepathic link between them. Thor will use every power at his disposal because the greatest tactical mind in all of Marvel will be giving him his orders.

Originally posted by Martian_mind
So are you truly under the impression that Adam warlock on a surfboard can take Bill and Atom at the same time?

You're basing this off of the idea that you're invisible/intangible (you aren't) and that you have the speed advantage on our team (you don't).

We are and always will be determinging matchups for this battle, because we're faster because of our boards and Juggs is too slow to help.

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The rest of MM's post is based off of his erroneous assumptions about the battle, so it's hard to comment without repeating the same things over again. So I won't belabor the point.

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And I browsed Souja's post, but he's still insisting that Thor feats are valid for Bill and that they can simply absorb all of our upgrades (power cosmic for Thor and boards for Thor and Warlock). Within the context of a heated fight, where we have the speed and skill advantage, they won't ever have the chance to absorb anything, let alone the armor and boards we're using.

And to make it seem like they can compete with us, they have basically been ignoring our upgrades and boards throughout the entire match. Other than the ridiculous "we absorb them" argument, they haven't acknowledged them at all. Once you do bring them into play, however, you can see that we hold nearly every advantage.

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Oh, and Warlock's still a telepath, Juggs is still vulnerable to tp, and they don't have a telepath. Hadn't mentioned that in a while.

Digi i aprreciate the position your in but your the one ignoring the other teams points

1)It is not Bill who is turning our team invisible/intangible alright?it is Captain Atom

He can control density and Atoms
http://img274.imageshack.us/my.php?...atom54163ui.jpg

He can control light
http://img256.imageshack.us/my.php?...atom22198lp.jpg

So Atom turns us Untouchable and unseeable so judges we have not used a Thor feat OK!!!!

Next point of business.
2)Atom was not amped in that scan Digi at all.The void only became active in issue 9,that is from issue 1,OK?
How is him doing this to majestic

http://img503.imageshack.us/img503/...on01pg202no.jpg

Any different from him doing this to hal jordan
http://img43.imageshack.us/my.php?image=actioncomicsweekly630070fz.jpg

Or owning firestorm?
http://img149.imageshack.us/my.php?image=captatom05200iy.jpg

Or pwning Maxima in one go?
http://img127.imageshack.us/my.php?image=jlav281090db.jpg

Or when he took on an alternate JLA like they were jokes
http://img264.imageshack.us/my.php?image=jlamericaannual1027ocdhorus0qu.jpg
http://img264.imageshack.us/my.php?image=jlamericaannual1028ocdhorus0vc.jpg
http://img264.imageshack.us/my.php?image=jlamericaannual1029ocdhorus6zl.jpg
http://img264.imageshack.us/my.php?image=jlamericaannual1030ocdhorus7ag.jpg

So it seems to me Atom is more then capable of putting thor in a hole.

Now as for your little Bill thor feats argument,It really doesn't matter as Bill has shown himself capable of the feats we have him performing
a)Teleportation,Bill has beenshown as capable of teleporting himself and others his teleportation abilities allowed him to enter Asgard when the rainbow bridge was shattered and allowed him entry when Ragnarok was occuring so HE CAN PORT!!!!
B)Hitting and Asorbing.

1.http://img478.imageshack.us/img478/...aker0302js0.jpg
2.http://img478.imageshack.us/img478/...aker0303zy2.jpg
3.http://img478.imageshack.us/img478/...aker0304bf2.jpg
4.http://img478.imageshack.us/img478/...er030506vr2.jpg
5.http://img478.imageshack.us/img478/...aker0307vk3.jpg
6.http://img478.imageshack.us/img478/...aker0308io5.jpg
7.http://img478.imageshack.us/img478/...aker0309dg2.jpg
8.http://img478.imageshack.us/img478/...aker0310im9.jpg
9.http://img101.imageshack.us/img101/...aker0311dg1.jpg
10.http://img101.imageshack.us/img101/...aker0316zl8.jpg
11.http://img101.imageshack.us/img101/...aker0317ze3.jpg
12.http://img101.imageshack.us/img101/...aker0318bi5.jpg
13.http://img101.imageshack.us/img101/...aker0320ry5.jpg
14.http://img101.imageshack.us/img101/...er032122qr6.jpg
15.http://img101.imageshack.us/img101/...aker0323nq0.jpg
16.http://img101.imageshack.us/img101/...aker0324mq5.jpg
17.http://img101.imageshack.us/img101/...aker0325om4.jpg

So once again Their frail Thor Argument is of no consequence

As for that speed advantage,We covered that by placing you in a forcefield
http://img230.imageshack.us/my.php?...ohour1129re.jpg
So Bs about Warlocks speed advantage

Hey Digi Guess what?Your Psionic link will be up poocreek without a paddle,why?because Atom can Absorb Psionic enrgy and enter the Astral plane!!!
http://img155.imageshack.us/my.php?image=captatom48082tt.jpg
http://img155.imageshack.us/my.php?image=captatom48091js.jpg

http://img86.imageshack.us/my.php?image=jlquarterly13133li.jpg
Now he was holding out against a full on telepathic assault,so Warlocks little Mind-link will be nothing.
I would also like to bring up juggies force-field,tell me Digi how do they get past that? In a cramped space thor won't be Able to Effectively use his hammer nor will any other member off your team be in a position to help.

There you see?everything we do is legit and Digi/scoobs have been unable to actually Counter our Arguments but just tarnish their validity and everything we do is on the level,i don't have Atom remaking the universe,we don't have bill using thors feats and they have not provided a true counter,so judges plz don't penalise us based on a few unfounded calls of BS.

Soujaboy Post #5

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I will begin my post with observations of the debate, and will follow up with counter arguments and flaws in my opponents post, particularly Digi's fourth post.

1. My fourth post which is slightly above, was nearly completely and utterly ignored. This is most debates cases is because my opponents agree with the content of my case, or simply because they do not have the ability to counter my points.

2. In my fourth post I posted evidence regarding MM and I's claims that Bill has enough experience with Stormbreaker to complete the task asked of him in this battle. My post displays scans proving BRB's experience and intelligence, even scans of him coaching Alternate future Thor's on proper use of their hammers.

3. My opponents continue to claim that were using Thor feats to debate for BRB. Correction, we are using Mjolnir feats to display the capabilities and power of Stormbreaker. The hammers are one in the same, interchangeable, and BRB has displayed his experience and intelligence of his hammer before. Because of the above stated, there should be no reason why we can't use the capabilities of Mjolnir to display the capabilities of Stormbreaker.

4. My opponents believe that by having Surfer create boards that they now have the speed advantage. This may be true if it weren't for the speed restrictions. The rules of the tourney specifically state that characters may only operate at speeds under that of light. Considering two of their characters can operate at light speeds, the creation of the boards are useless. Not only that, but two of our characters also react and operate at light or near light speeds meaning that they should have no problems with speed in a tourney that restricts the operations at above light. Our third character Juggernaut, uses his shield that sucks the inertia of objects to deal with characters that have a speed advantage. Also, even if the boards were allowed the movement at above light speeds, the boards have only shown massive speed feats in travel in strait lines and in between planets. Unfortunately for my opponents the boards have never boosted Surfers combat speeds, meaning the boards will be useless in this battle.

However if my opponents believe these boards will somehow give them the advantage, in my forth post I went over how we could go about countering them.

5. My opponents have not only ignored my post, but also my partner and I's arguments. They have failed to counter many of my counter arguments, leaving them be I guess in hopes that they could slid by without anyone noticing. I noticed, and hopefully the judges have also.


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There is no problem using Mjolnir feats to prove the capabilities of Stormbreaker because they are exact replicas of one another. Just as one Gl ring can do the same as the next, Stormbreaker can do the same as Mjolnir.

Thor has never been shown to be a versatile character, however Mjolnir has. Mjolnir equals Stormbreaker, meaning Mjolnir's versatility equals Stormbreaker's versatility.


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Your post here is useless, considering MM has already countered your every point made. Take this as an example of how you've ignored our post.


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How will do you think Thor would be at taking orders, especially from a mortal? And before you say he's taken orders from Captain America before, Captain America is one of the few mortals Thor respects, stating he would travel to the gates of hell if Cap so wished it.

However most of, if not all of Thor's attacks will have no affect on Cain. Thor can do what he pleases, however it wont stop Cain from eventually getting to and defeating Thor.


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Again this post shows how you've ignored our post.

I've already covered the boards, in this post and my fourth. Again examples of how our post have been ignored.


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You browsed my post of nearly 10,000 characters, and a paragraph is all you have to post?

In my post I went in to detail of how we could reverse the process of the boards turning them back into energy, and then absorbing the remaining energy. Also, in this post I went over how your boards are useless.

I also went into detail how your upgrades can be reversed. I stated that through reverse energy polarities, we could reverse the cosmic energy that gave Thor his upgrade, and possibly the cosmic energy that gave Surfer his power.


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How are you going about taking Juggernaut's helmet off? I'll answer that for you, your not, especially with Cains shield constantly up.

In my fourth post I also posted how we went about how dealing with Warlock.

You guys really do need to work on your link linking, barely any work.

Yeah, you need to use the original url, if you just copy them from another post, KMC f*cks them up. It shortens the links.

I'd like to comment that everyone's been very professional and good about the post limit, and keeping "unofficial" posts to a minimum (except for random stuff and scans that aren't working).

This was a huge problem last summer for the team tourney I ran, but it's a lot smoother this time.

A request: Souja/MM could you please quote the sections of Digi/Scoobs posts you're responding to, it just makes it easier to determine what's happening.

I second X's request.

Originally posted by Accel
I second X's request.

You're judging match number four.

More's going on in this fight at the moment to keep me amused. Overall, it's just a pain having to keep looking back and forth to which staements are responding to which comments.

3rd post

Originally posted by Martian_mind
my god all they need to score a win over Adam is for Bill to surround them with a Forcefeild(Atom can reinforce it)http://img230.imageshack.us/my.php?image=zerohour1129re.jpg

If Bill knew how to do forcefields I'd bother countering that.

Originally posted by Martian_mind
it is well within Atoms Abilities to just sit there and release Omni-blasts
http://img261.imageshack.us/my.php?image=extremejustice03122kp.jpg


Not impressed .... nothing in that scan shows a level of destruction that would be enough to slow down any herald level character.

Originally posted by Martian_mind
or just blast the crap out of him
http://img256.imageshack.us/my.php?image=captatom29196cp.jpg

Energy attacks that don't even kill humans ... not too useful.

Originally posted by Martian_mind
So space phantom returns

He's not going anywhere to return from.

Originally posted by Martian_mind
Atom could turn Tangible and Rip open His containment suit.
http://img82.imageshack.us/my.php?image=invasion03174ci.jpg
http://img82.imageshack.us/my.php?image=invasion03251qr.jpg

Or we could do it for him and Thor could protect us with a shield that can stand up against a Null bomb (the kind of thing Bill wouldn't have a clue how to do)

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Originally posted by Soujaboy
It was actually rendering us invisible, but hey if there's a problem with that then this should suffice.

http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e101/Soujaboy/Thor%20Scans/BillvsEgoR22.jpg

Either way, our team has the element of surprise on our side.

He vanished... did he go invisible? did he teleport? did he time travel? that scan is fairly vague and proves nothing about making 3 separate people invisible

They have the element of surprise? only if you mean against each other as none of them seem to know what the other is doing.

Originally posted by Soujaboy
Bill has more knowledge of the hammer then your giving him credit for. The scans below show Bill Stormbreaker's communication between itself and Bill, and it's tracking abilities. It also shows that Bill has an extreme experience with the hammer.

http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e101/Soujaboy/Thor%20Scans/track1ast0.jpg
http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e101/Soujaboy/Thor%20Scans/track1bhu0.jpg

It shows that Bill can't time travel on his own power (or just doesn't know how to) ... Thor can and has ... several times.

Originally posted by Soujaboy
I'm confused, because I'm positive it doesn't take thousands of years to learn how to create a shield?

Then it shouldn't be difficult for you to show Bill doing it.

Originally posted by Soujaboy
Thor has more experience than Bill, thats great. Doesn't change the fact that Bill has experience with Stormbreaker, and should have no problem creating a shield.

Then why has he never done it before?

Originally posted by Soujaboy
Based on the fact that Bill can twirl his hammer in a circle.

Worst logic ever.

Originally posted by Soujaboy
I can't show Bill doing so just as you can't show Thor doing so. All I can give you is what Mjolnir has done, the duplicate hammer of Stormbreaker.

No, you're showing what Thor knows how to do ... Mjolnir has done nothing on it's own.

Originally posted by Soujaboy
However this most likely will not be necessary, especially considering the battle is taking place in a crater on the moon. Meaning Juggernauts leaping abilities should be proficient enough to get him around.

Yup... in fact one single leap should be proficient enough for him to leave the moon and never return.... great BFR strategy against your own team.

Originally posted by Soujaboy
8th day Juggernaut - it's Juggernaut that was focused and had Cyttorak in his mind.

It's Juggernaut being fed more power by Cyttorak ... The 8th day series mentioned that the reason he kept control of himself was because he never received the full power of Cyttorak ... in the series (after the Thor fight) he battles Cyttorak, regain control and goes back to normal levels.

Doesn't matter though ... he's too slow and either stuck on the ground or leaping himself into space.

Originally posted by Soujaboy
I would also like to add that Superman is not on your team yet you had no problem posting scans showing him besting Captain Atom

Just putting all your universe destroying BS into perspective.


Originally posted by Soujaboy
It's a solid skin created from the power cosmic. The power cosmic when you break it down, equates to energy. Our team can manipulate and absorb energy.

Much Like Quasar (only not as good) and he was never able to absorb the skin or the board ... and neither was anyone else.... because it can't happen.

Originally posted by Soujaboy
Our team = Master energy manipulators.

And our team is still better at it

Originally posted by Soujaboy
The scans below show Bill absorbing the energy from the living planet Ego. if Bill can easily absorb that energy form planetary size beings, than he should have no problem absorbing the cosmic energy boosting Thor, and the energy powering Surfer.

http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e101/Soujaboy/Thor%20Scans/BillvsEgo.jpg
http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e101/Soujaboy/Thor%20Scans/BillvsEgo2.jpg
http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e101/Soujaboy/Thor%20Scans/BillvsEgo3.jpg
http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e101/Soujaboy/Thor%20Scans/BillvsEgo4.jpg

Ego isn't an energy manipulator who can easily resist such tricks .. like Surfer.

Originally posted by Soujaboy
Thor cannot, However Mjolnir can meaning Stormbreaker can.

Only if Bill knows how.


Originally posted by Soujaboy
Bill may not have absorbed the energy, but he instead matched it.

http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e101/Soujaboy/Thor%20Scans/BRBvsStardust4.jpg

He's doing nothing more than blocking it ... absorbing would have been smarter.

Originally posted by Soujaboy
The power cosmic as a whole, as in the one ultimately controlled by Galactus > Atom. However the power cosmic wielded by Surfer is in no way greater than Atom's energy output.

Debatable ... however Surfer's control and absorption abilities >>> Atom.

Shouldn't take much from someone as powerful as Surfer to cause him to time jump.

Originally posted by Soujaboy
Na it's not. If you attack Cain first(which your initial plan was to have Warlock take on Cain)

No it wasn't, go read it again.

Originally posted by Soujaboy
Whats flying at light speed going to help in a battlefield thats less than a mile long?

The battlezone is the whole Moon ... the only distance mentioned was how far apart we start.

Originally posted by Soujaboy
Bill is ready for attack from Thor. he has a shield that have taken universal null bombs

Bill also has the option of simply reversing the energy polarities that gave Thor the power cosmic.

When did Bill take a Null bomb?

Reversing Magnetic fields does not cancel out the power cosmic.

Originally posted by Soujaboy
Thor may be faster in a strait line than he was before, but his reflexes will remain the same.

The power cosmic will enhance his reflexes

Originally posted by Soujaboy
Thor is the defenseless one here, he has no defense for the stored supercharged attack

Other than Mjolnir, which will absorb any energy attack and the Power Cosmic, which would do the same.

Originally posted by Martian_mind
http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e101/Soujaboy/Thor%20Scans/SilverS17.jpg

Whats 10% of that armor going to help?


You're thinking too small, he starts at 10% of Surfer's power but, as we all know, Surfer can boost his power to undefined limits by absorbing energy ... Thor is doing this during prep and throughout the match

By the time he filters some of your energy attack into himself his power would have multiplied many times over.

Originally posted by Martian_mind
http://img274.echo.cx/my.php?image=captainatom54163ui.jpg
http://img256.imageshack.us/my.php?image=captatom25040xw.jpg

In those scans he shows that he has excellent control of his own molecules to the point that he can stash objects inside himself(he pulls the photo out of himself)So it would seem as though it is quite easy to alter his own density and it in all probability would be a simple matter to do to bill(we won't bother with Juggs as his strength lies in his indestructible bulk)

It would "seem" as though? ...in "probability" ....

Unless Cap Atom has altered others density in the past, then it appears that you're just making up powers now.



To be continued.....

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4th post

Originally posted by Martian_mind
To actually camoflouging himself with it!! So what does this mean?that he can manipulate the light around himself and Bill so as to produce invisibility.

Irrelevant.

http://img487.imageshack.us/img487/2877/silversurferinvisibilitpb6.th.jpg

All our character can see through such cheap tricks. (pun intended )

Originally posted by Martian_mind
As for this little number advantage your assuming you have That doesnt Apply once Capt Atom has Smashed Thor into the ground

Make up your minds guys... first you had Bill fighting Thor, then said Juggy would crush him, now you're saying atom is after him ...

Not important though, as Thor is faster than any of them and is going for Bill.

Originally posted by Martian_mind
don't believe what Scoob has said,the Void was only active in Capt During issue #9

The Void merged with him in issue #1 ... which changed his entire appearance.
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Originally posted by Soujaboy
In my fourth post I posted evidence regarding MM and I's claims that Bill has enough experience with Stormbreaker to complete the task asked of him in this battle. My post displays scans proving BRB's experience and intelligence, even scans of him coaching Alternate future Thor's on proper use of their hammers.

But you didn't post the part of Thor Corps where Bill has to call for Thor to help them then Thor shows them another Hammer trick that none of them knew about (including Bill)

Originally posted by Soujaboy
The hammers are one in the same, interchangeable

But the knowledge of the characters is not.

Originally posted by Soujaboy
My opponents believe that by having Surfer create boards that they now have the speed advantage.

two of our characters also react and operate at light or near light speeds meaning that they should have no problems with speed in a tourney that restricts the operations at above light.

We do have the advantage.

Not sure about atom, but Bill can fly at light speed and use the hammer for much else at the same time ... Thor can when he has his board.
and it probably saves Adam a bunch of energy as well.

Originally posted by Soujaboy
the boards have only shown massive speed feats in travel in strait lines and in between planets. Unfortunately for my opponents the boards have never boosted Surfers combat speeds, meaning the boards will be useless in this battle.

http://img440.imageshack.us/img440/3641/silversurferspeed1bn5.th.jpg

Circling and attacking at light-speed.

Originally posted by Soujaboy
There is no problem using Mjolnir feats to prove the capabilities of Stormbreaker

That's true ... and if Stormbreaker were in the hands of someone who knew how to perform those feats it may even have helped your case ... but it isn't.

Originally posted by Soujaboy
Thor has never been shown to be a versatile character, however Mjolnir has. Mjolnir equals Stormbreaker, meaning Mjolnir's versatility equals Stormbreaker's versatility.

Mjolnir = useless with no one to hold it .... there's no such thing as a Mjolnir feat, only a feat of the worthy wielder

Originally posted by Soujaboy
How will do you think Thor would be at taking orders, especially from a mortal? And before you say he's taken orders from Captain America before, Captain America is one of the few mortals Thor respects, stating he would travel to the gates of hell if Cap so wished it.

Thor is a smart guy and he's mind linked with Warlock, like Strange did, he would give Warlock his full trust.

Originally posted by Soujaboy
However most of, if not all of Thor's attacks will have no affect on Cain. Thor can do what he pleases, however it wont stop Cain from eventually getting to and defeating Thor.

Thor isn't going to be near Juggernaut.

Originally posted by Soujaboy
In my post I went in to detail of how we could reverse the process of the boards turning them back into energy, and then absorbing the remaining energy. Also, in this post I went over how your boards are useless.

Yeah ... that was total BS.

Originally posted by Soujaboy
I also went into detail how your upgrades can be reversed. I stated that through reverse energy polarities, we could reverse the cosmic energy that gave Thor his upgrade, and possibly the cosmic energy that gave Surfer his power.


That was also BS.

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Well ... these last two posts were originally supposed to be only one post .... but it went to 15,000 characters so I had to split it.



Might as well add some more stuff to get my "moneys worth" out of this then.

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Warlock is focusing mainly on Atom at the start, Thor is focusing on Bill and Phantom-Surfer is kinda taking shots at everyone.

As I posted earlier, Phantom will start by engaging Juggernaut from a distance ... Any leap/throw made by Juggernaut would be ludicrously easy to avoid, if he does jump then Phantom can shunt him off into space or blow a hole in the ground for him to land in .. which would then be covered with moon rock reduced to sand (extremely difficult to climb through)

If he doesn't jump then this can be done anyway by blasting away the ground under his feet.

With Juggy easily dealt with SP moves on to Atom .... rushing him with a few high impact blasts and bludgeons ... then Circle around and repeat ... then split off and hit Bill from behind, absorb his shields and transmute his armour, then back to Atom for another few hits, then back to Bill, etc, etc

Hit and run can't really be defended against without taking Focus off of Thor or Warlock ... if that happens then Bill and Atom would be pwned.
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If Juggy ever manages to dig his way out of the pit then it's highly likely his team will already be defeated.

If not then Phantom can just keep attacking him with massive energy blasts while Thor, unseen by Juggernaut, can perform this little trick:

http://img404.imageshack.us/img404/853/antiforcesuperskrull1ex2.th.jpg http://img106.imageshack.us/img106/8367/antiforcesuperskrull2fp2.th.jpg

And before Jugghead knows what's happening he'll be on a one way trip to the sun.

Of course this is just an alternate plan to whatever Digi is attempting with Warlock ..... it just depends on who is out of it first - Bill or atom.

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That covers most of it.

Here's another couple of examples of why a hit and run Surfer (Phantom) will be hard to stop and also why the addition of silver skin would be a huge boost to any character.

http://img379.imageshack.us/img379/570/silversurferthroughstarnu4.th.jpg http://img47.imageshack.us/img47/3637/siversurferfalltoearthox5.th.jpg

Neither of those events even fazed the Surfer, I highly doubt a distracted Atom or Bill is capable of even annoying him.

Digi's Post #5

I thought of something hilarious, and it happens to be horrible for you guys (Scoob mentioned it briefly, but it was my idea originally ( )):

A. We're on the Moon for this fight. To get Juggernaut involved in the battle at all they have him jumping up to hit us, which is only a minor annoyance anyway. But gravity barely exists on the Moon. Those super-jumps they show him doing, the ones he would need to touch us at all, will send him straight into space. Juggs is even more screwed than we normally suspected, and wouldn't play a factor in this fight. Now, more than ever, it's still a 3-on-2 for our team.

B. So now, with that in mind, here's what we're going to have Thor do as soon as Juggs tries to jump.
http://img404.imageshack.us/img404/853/antiforcesuperskrull1ex2.th.jpg http://img106.imageshack.us/img106/8367/antiforcesuperskrull2fp2.th.jpg
...Thor's anti-gravity particles added to the nigh-nonexistent gravity of the Moon, means Juggs will be hurtling helplessly in space, miles away from the fight, and with no means of returning.



Of course, Warlock wil still telepathically shut him down once we've dealt with the other 2, but this just shows that he's even more of a non-factor than Scoob and I originally thought.

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So most of their links aren't working, but I'll try my best to respond to their posts.


Originally posted by Martian_mind
1)It is not Bill who is turning our team invisible/intangible alright?it is Captain Atom
He can control density and Atoms
http://img274.imageshack.us/my.php?...atom54163ui.jpg
He can control light
http://img256.imageshack.us/my.php?...atom22198lp.jpg
So Atom turns us Untouchable and unseeable so judges we have not used a Thor feat OK!!!!

Hrm. Changing tactics now, are we? Yeah, they saw that the BRB-using-Mjolnir feats nonsense wasn't going to work, so now they're getting desperate. Atom did a few tricks with his body density, so they're trying to parlay that into full-fledged invisibility and intangibility. It doesn't quite work like that.

Atom's never shown the ability to affect anyone besides himself, and it's never actually been full invisibility/intangibility. So besides the fact that we wouldn't even be concerned with either or these things much, you're going to have to try again. I'm sure Juggernaut has an invisibility feat somewhere....



Originally posted by Martian_mind
Any different from him doing this to hal jordan
http://img43.imageshack.us/my.php?image=actioncomicsweekly630070fz.jpg

Actually, quite a bit different. Atom said himself that he had to hit Hal before he got full shields up. It was a cheap shot.

Originally posted by Martian_mind
So it seems to me Atom is more then capable of putting thor in a hole.

...and it seems to me that Atom was never fighting Thor in the first place. You guys are down a man to begin with, and our team is fully capable of shields, teleporting, etc. We also have the speed advantage due to our boards. You'll never have the opportunity to even begin your "put Thor in a hole" plan....not that it would work anyway, but it's a moot point.

Originally posted by Martian_mind
As for that speed advantage,We covered that by placing you in a forcefield
http://img230.imageshack.us/my.php?...ohour1129re.jpg
So Bs about Warlocks speed advantage

Warlock can teleport. So wtf is a forcefield supposed to accomplish?

Originally posted by Martian_mind
Hey Digi Guess what?Your Psionic link will be up poocreek without a paddle,why?because Atom can Absorb Psionic enrgy and enter the Astral plane!!!
http://img155.imageshack.us/my.php?image=captatom48082tt.jpg
http://img155.imageshack.us/my.php?image=captatom48091js.jpg

http://img86.imageshack.us/my.php?image=jlquarterly13133li.jpg
Now he was holding out against a full on telepathic assault,so Warlocks little Mind-link will be nothing.

Actually, this is one of your biggest stretches yet. I'm not aiming any telepathic energy at Atom. And he can't just absorb it out of Warlock. You'd only be able to use this argument if we were attacking you telepathically, which we aren't.



Originally posted by Soujaboy
1. My fourth post which is slightly above, was nearly completely and utterly ignored. This is most debates cases is because my opponents agree with the content of my case, or simply because they do not have the ability to counter my points.

Don't flatter yourself. It was just because I couldn't narrow down all the bogus arguments I wanted to ruin.

Originally posted by Soujaboy
2. In my fourth post I posted evidence regarding MM and I's claims that Bill has enough experience with Stormbreaker to complete the task asked of him in this battle. My post displays scans proving BRB's experience and intelligence, even scans of him coaching Alternate future Thor's on proper use of their hammers.

So still no 616 evidence of him doing nearly as much stuff as Thor? Cool, just checking.

Originally posted by Soujaboy
3. My opponents continue to claim that were using Thor feats to debate for BRB. Correction, we are using Mjolnir feats to display the capabilities and power of Stormbreaker. The hammers are one in the same, interchangeable, and BRB has displayed his experience and intelligence of his hammer before. Because of the above stated, there should be no reason why we can't use the capabilities of Mjolnir to display the capabilities of Stormbreaker.

I think everyone knows my feelings on this. The hammer is only as good and versatile as the person wielding it.

Originally posted by Soujaboy
4. My opponents believe that by having Surfer create boards that they now have the speed advantage. This may be true if it weren't for the speed restrictions. The rules of the tourney specifically state that characters may only operate at speeds under that of light. Considering two of their characters can operate at light speeds, the creation of the boards are useless.

Juggs and Bill are well below the speed limit for the tourney, so I don't see how the boards don't give us a speed edge. It's also another weapon to use, as I demonstrated with Warlock (in my 1st post)...so it would be the equivalent of two people attacking you for every person we have.

Originally posted by Soujaboy
Thor has never been shown to be a versatile character, however Mjolnir has. Mjolnir equals Stormbreaker, meaning Mjolnir's versatility equals Stormbreaker's versatility.

Please stop pretending it's just the hammer performing stuff.

Originally posted by Soujaboy
How will do you think Thor would be at taking orders, especially from a mortal? And before you say he's taken orders from Captain America before, Captain America is one of the few mortals Thor respects, stating he would travel to the gates of hell if Cap so wished it.

Actually, Cap's a great example. But through the soul-link at the beginning of the battle, Thor will realize Warlock's vast strategic intelligence. Dr. Strange did, Surfer did, Masterson Thor did...and Warlock's not a bad guy. There's no good reason why Thor wouldn't defer to someone who's obviously more prepared than him to lead the battle.

Originally posted by Soujaboy
However most of, if not all of Thor's attacks will have no affect on Cain. Thor can do what he pleases, however it wont stop Cain from eventually getting to and defeating Thor..

...cept Thor isn't fighting Cain, except to aid his trip to space with some anti-gravity particles.

Originally posted by Soujaboy
You browsed my post of nearly 10,000 characters, and a paragraph is all you have to post?

See, here I feel like explaining this in a non-battle context. We have post limits (10 posts total, 10,000 characters per post), and I have to pick and choose whatto respond to. I'm trying to alternate between responding to MM and yourself. So don't feel slighted, but also don't try to make it seem like I didn't respond because I don't have counter-arguments. Neither is true. It's just the nature of debating in tourneys.

...

Anyway, that's all for now.

Um, since no one else has posted since yesterday I was kinda planning on taking the day off from debating.

But at this point I think a lot of points have been made. I'd like to know, from judges mostly, but others as well if they're interested, if there's any questions you want answered or concerns you want addressed. It can be from either team.

Because I'd like to gear my final posts toward shoring up any problems or questions people might have, and also summarizing my main points.

Originally posted by DigiMark007
Um, since no one else has posted since yesterday I was kinda planning on taking the day off from debating.

But at this point I think a lot of points have been made. I'd like to know, from judges mostly, but others as well if they're interested, if there's any questions you want answered or concerns you want addressed. It can be from either team.

Because I'd like to gear my final posts toward shoring up any problems or questions people might have, and also summarizing my main points.

I plan on posting a few more times, but your idea is fine.

Digi's Post #6

To keep it easy for judges, this will be a short-ish post. Mostly it's just my overview of our points so far.

1. We have a hideously good speed advantage due to our boards, which won't be getting absorbed due to the frenetic nature of the battle, and the fact that they're outnumbered due to Juggs' mobility disadvantage. Atom's the only one on their team that has ever approached the combat speeds that each one of our guys is capable of.

2. Surfer and Thor are beasts. Add in the power cosmic upgrade Thor has, and these two are clearly the most powerful in the battle.

3. Warlock is also easily the most skilled and intelligent in the fight. He was practically built to design battle plans on a cosmic level....and anyone who has read IG (or pretty much anything else with him in it) knows exactly what I'm talking about. We have team knowledge of everything about our team....skills, experiences, powers, etc. And a telepathic link to coordinate the battle. He's also as powerful as anyone on their team, and elusive to the point where he'll barely be touched. He can teleport out of their forcefield tricks and away from their clumsy blasts, and can use various means of taking down his foes (straight-up H2H fighting, energy useage, telepathy, using his board as a weapon). He has shown himself capable of dodging precision energy blasts, as well as using stealth and deception to gain the upper hand.

4. Juggernaut is severely handicapped from lack of mobility. And if he tries to jump to hit us, the nigh-nonexistent gravity of the Moon (plus Thor's anti-gravity particles) will send him into space, equally helpless. Warlock's the only telepath in the fight, and we'll just finish Juggs off once we've beaten down on the other two.

5. They've used dubious means of "proving" their strategy with BRB, and have attempted to show scans of a Void-enhanced Atom and others which are clearly not acceptable for the tourney. All the legit scans they've shown haven't been nearly impressive enough to convince me that they'd even harm us much, let alone win.

6. Speed, overall power, battle coordination, telepathy, additional weapons (the boards), and experience. We have pretty much every conceivable advantage. Atom's a strong pick on their part, but he's getting double-teamed and would likely fall to either Surfer or Warlock alone....but both will be fighting him. Thor has a board and power cosmic upgrades, so BRB s screwed.

...I've used concrete scans to back up everything I've said here, and Scoobless has done the same. They are interspersed throughout my earlier posts.

Basically, The God Squad rolls.

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On a side note, I'd like to say that this has been an entertaining first round, and I'd like to extend my thanks to both Souja and MM for the match, as well as to batdude and the judges for facilitating our fight.

Post #5

Not much to add at the moment about how we're going to win as Twe've made that pretty clear already.

There hasn't been a response since my last post but I still have 6 posts to use so what the hell.

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Regarding the doomed attempt to drain the power cosmic:

http://img147.imageshack.us/img147/6060/cannotbedrained1zl1.th.jpg http://img147.imageshack.us/img147/2418/cannotbedrained2iu3.th.jpg

Mrrungo-Mu is far more powerful than the Surfer and he got that way by absorbing energy from everything he could find in the universe, including most of Earth's heroes, yet he can't drain Surfer.

Even if Atom could drain him, which he can't, then there is far too much energy there to be contained and we've seen that Captain Atom can be overloaded, even by people like Major Force and Maxima (and many others), which causes him to time jump and BFR himself.

So there really would be no way he could handle Surfer ...... not that it really matters as he can't absorb him in the first place.

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As for BRB "teaching" others how to use Mjolnir ... well he showed them one trick then later didn't have a clue what to do, so he called for Thor for help....

http://img260.imageshack.us/img260/8331/thorknowsmore1md9.th.jpg http://img260.imageshack.us/img260/5618/thorknowsmore2mx9.th.jpg

BRB & Co had been looking for that guy for 3 whole issues (no, it's not Deadpool) ... then Thor appears and finds him straight away.

Thor >>>>>> Bill in terms of hammer use.

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No extra points needed for Juggernaut, we all know how slow he is, both mentally and physically.

It's Friday evening, so I'll remind participants to get their last arguments in, and for judges to start reading through the match (if they haven't already) and placing votes in the next day or so.

Thanks for a good battle guys, regardless of which one of us wins.

I'll just say i have had alotta fun in this tourney match it's been great.

1.Scoob has showed a scan that shows silver surfer seeing an invisible super Skrull,So what? Invisible woman doesn't manipulate light as far as i Know and the way that Surfer actually found skrull is using infra-red light so i doubt that would work.Even if that did your other two have yet to show this and They only have a small percenntage of Surfers power so you cannot use his feats for them.

You have aslo addressed that Juggy has to jump just to reach Your team(which is not the case,he is inside a hole with Thor) even if this were the case Juggy has shown that he can walk foward on nothing if need be he cannot be stopped.

Scoob has brought upthat Atom was amped up by the Void in that issue,based on what? a costume change?Oh i'm sorry i forgot the rule that changed appeareance=Power upgrade.boy anyone else remember when Pter shaved his Family jewels and Knocked hulk into Orbit

You Flashed Scans of supes and Atom and why he lost but what about when Supes smashed Thor?He caught the hammer midswing and KTTFO the poor bastard it's called an S sheild and it's the biggest plot device in comics(yes even greater then TEH CLAWZ)

You also mention over and over again how we can't use Thor feats for Bill well i Haven't.I even posted Evidence to show Bill has Ported and is capable of Energy projection,Absorbtion and that he is able to hit stuff.As for that time when i said Bill would make the forcefield i apologise that was a slip of the hand(tongue?)I meant Atom

Alrighty that's about it i have a cracker of a headache and our computer monitor is F**ked up so that is brighter than the sun....good luck Digi/scoobs it's been fun.

Digi Post #7

...might as well, since I have plenty left.

This will be short as well though. I'm just responding to MM.

Originally posted by Martian_mind
1.Scoob has showed a scan that shows silver surfer seeing an invisible super Skrull,So what? Invisible woman doesn't manipulate light as far as i Know and the way that Surfer actually found skrull is using infra-red light so i doubt that would work.Even if that did your other two have yet to show this and They only have a small percenntage of Surfers power so you cannot use his feats for them.

Actually, that's exactly what IW does (bend light). And SP has all of Surfer's power and experiences because of Warlock, and we're telepathically linked to share information because of Warlock. Identifying anyone who's invisible won't be a problem.

Originally posted by Martian_mind
You have aslo addressed that Juggy has to jump just to reach Your team(which is not the case,he is inside a hole with Thor) even if this were the case Juggy has shown that he can walk foward on nothing if need be he cannot be stopped.

Inside a hole, eh? Still sticking with that old chesnut? Our whole team can see you guys while invisible, can teleport, and has a speed advantage over you guys. The whole "hole" plan has been defunct for a while now.

And yes, low gravity + Thor's anti-gravity particles + Juggs' inherent slow-assed-ness = Juggs won't be a factor in this match at all.

Originally posted by Martian_mind
Scoob has brought upthat Atom was amped up by the Void in that issue,based on what?

At this point, your word isn't any more credible, and it's basically our word against yours. Amped or not, though, Atom's getting double-teamed by 2 people who can solo him. So the Wildstorm scans aren't important. The fact of the match is that you're over-powered regardless.

Originally posted by Martian_mind
You Flashed Scans of supes and Atom and why he lost but what about when Supes smashed Thor?He caught the hammer midswing and KTTFO the poor bastard it's called an S sheild and it's the biggest plot device in comics(yes even greater then TEH CLAWZ)

While I'd love to go into why Thor/Supes was utterly moronic, it wouldn't matter. Supes isn't in this fight. The point is that Atom can get owned by someone in that power class. And Thor + board + power cosmic upgrade >>> Superman. And Surfer is definitely >> Superman.

Originally posted by Martian_mind
You also mention over and over again how we can't use Thor feats for Bill well i Haven't.I even posted Evidence to show Bill has Ported and is capable of Energy projection,Absorbtion and that he is able to hit stuff.As for that time when i said Bill would make the forcefield i apologise that was a slip of the hand(tongue?)I meant Atom

But you did for a while, and when you take those out, the # of feats you've actually shown Bill doing are staggeringly low. And it's still nothing more than what Thor's capable of, especially with upgrades.

Originally posted by Martian_mind
....good luck Digi/scoobs it's been fun.

You too bud.

Post #6

Well .... seeing as we're near the end I may as well respond to this, even though Digi already has....

Originally posted by Martian_mind
I'll just say i have had alotta fun in this tourney match it's been great.

Me too.

Originally posted by Martian_mind
1.Scoob has showed a scan that shows silver surfer seeing an invisible super Skrull,So what? Invisible woman doesn't manipulate light as far as i Know and the way that Surfer actually found skrull is using infra-red light so i doubt that would work.Even if that did your other two have yet to show this and They only have a small percenntage of Surfers power so you cannot use his feats for them.

Surfer can see in every spectrum, that was just an example (a very fitting example)

We have a psi-link via Warlock and a Power Cosmic link via Phantom .... and sight isn't even 1% of Surfer's power.

Originally posted by Martian_mind
You have aslo addressed that Juggy has to jump just to reach Your team(which is not the case,he is inside a hole with Thor) even if this were the case Juggy has shown that he can walk foward on nothing if need be he cannot be stopped.

He's definitely not in a hole with anyone else ... but he may be in one on his own.

Let him walk back ... by the time he manages to start the trip he'll be at least half an hour away.

Originally posted by Martian_mind
Scoob has brought upthat Atom was amped up by the Void in that issue,based on what? a costume change?Oh i'm sorry i forgot the rule that changed appeareance=Power upgrade.

Actually, the rule you seem to have forgot is - Joining with void = power upgrade.

Originally posted by Martian_mind
You also mention over and over again how we can't use Thor feats for Bill well i Haven't.I even posted Evidence to show Bill has Ported and is capable of Energy projection,Absorbtion and that he is able to hit stuff.As for that time when i said Bill would make the forcefield i apologise that was a slip of the hand(tongue?)I meant Atom

Appology accepted.



Originally posted by Martian_mind
Alrighty that's about it i have a cracker of a headache and our computer monitor is F**ked up so that is brighter than the sun....good luck Digi/scoobs it's been fun.

Monitor's suck.



Oh yeah .... why number the first point and none of the others?

1. Our Opponents want you to believe they have this massive speed advantage, and again I point out this is false. The rules of the tourney specifically state that characters may only operate at speeds up to and under that of light. Considering two of their characters prior to the battle can operate at light speeds, the creation of the boards are utterly useless. Due to two of our characters(Atom, and Bill) being able to move at speeds near, at, or above light, we should be able to easily cope with their speed.

2. Our opponents initially planned to have their imitation Surfer give a portion of his power cosmic to Thor. However our team can counter this by reversing the energy polarities, we could reverse the cosmic energy that gave Thor his upgrade. This would only make Thor weaker and easy picking. I have posted this argument before, but instead of a counter argument I received a "BS" claim.

3. Juggernaut won't be removed from the battle field by any maneuvers our opponents plan to deploy. There most recent plan was to have Thor use his anti gravity attack on Cain rendering him helpless. However this won't work due to the mystical shield Cain possesses. For those who read X Men #12 Juggernauts first appearance, Juggernaut during this time was attempted to be removed from battle field via TK. Juggernaut than deployed his mystical shield and he simply stopped and walked on nothingness. The same technique can be easily accessed if needed in this battle.

4. Juggernaut is mobile enough to get a hold of Warlock, or Thor. All thats required is either have Warlock come to him(something our opponents stated they would do in their write up), have Juggernaut launched by one of our teammates, have Juggernaut put his leaping abilities to use, or have juggernaut teleported inside a shield with one of our opponents.

5. Our opponents would like for you to believe that the power cosmic can't be drained, however this is false. Recently In Annihilation a number of Galactus former heralds have been drained of that very power. Fallen One for example was just strait out sucked dry of his power by Tenebrous. Terax, Morg, and Air Walker have also been drained of their power. Thor is no reason why the same can't be done to this imitation Surfer.

6. My opponents have tried to come up with ways that Juggernaut can be dealt with, but all have been countered. They have no strategy concerning removing his helmet, thus the only logical way to go about it is by coming within Cain's reach. Once in his reach it's over. Cain has shown on a number of occasions that he is physically one of the most formidable characters in the Marvel Universe. Once he gets his hands on any one of their characters, it's lights out.

My opponents have tried saying that Warlock can teleport behind Cain, however the out come of this would be.

1. Fried, and then mauled by Cain. remember, Juggernauts armor is charged with billions upon billions of volts of electricity.

2. Is surprised he cannot touch Cain, and is grappled and mauled by Cain. Or he is left open from attack from Atom or Bill.

3. Removes the Helmet, and finds that beneath lies a ski mast made of the same properties, and is then mauled by Cain or again is left open for attack.

Either way, the outcome is the same. Warlock mauled, and more than likely left dead. If Warlock approaches Cain, like stated in your first post, he will be quickly dispatched.

7. Bill is skilled with Stormbreaker, period. Our opponents have tried discrediting this fact but they can't. I have provided scans of how Beat ray Bill wields stormbreaker with intelligence and skill.

8. I 've been wondering about a flaw in my opponents plan, however I haven't stated anything yet because I didn't want to limit their imagination. They plan on having Space Phantom become Norrin Radd, and that fine. However with this transformation how would one go about attaining Surfers power? As you know. The power cosmic isn't Surfers power, it's ultimately only an extension of Galactus power. In order for them to attain the power cosmic, they would essentially have to steal it from Galactus. The power cosmic is Galactus soul power and it can't be duplicated by beings such as Space Phantom, which is basically what our opponents are trying to do. In order for our opponents to attain the power cosmic it would have to be willingly given by Galactus however it's not. When they have Space Phantom transform into an imitation Surfer, he'll only be strong, durable, and shiny. This plan would be as useless as transforming into Rune King Thor, because although they would have his physical body they wouldn't attain the Odin Power.

For example, say someone tried duplicating Mjolnir. They would be successful in attaining the physical body, however they would retain none of it's magical properties or power due to it being enchanted by the Odin Power. In order to retain the power, the odin power would have to be duplicated which is impossible. This is the same situation our opponents will face, trying to turn into Surfer.

Their go's their plan out the door. This throws out the boards, Thor's upgrade, and any chance at victory for our opponents.

Soujaboy Post #7

Proof for my above statement about Space Phantoms power.

For proof look at Avengers #2 when shunted back to Limbo when he attempted to mimic Thor. The Space Phantom reasoned that if he could singlehandedly defeat the Avengers, his people, once free of their temporal catastrophe, would have no problem conquering the Earth someday. However, when he attempted to dimensionally displace the Thor, he himself was dispatched to Limbo since his power could not overcome Odin's various enchantments on Thor.

Because of the above statement, my opponents entire plan is useless. When Space Phatom attempts to transform into Surfer he will be shunted back to Limbo, leaving this battle a 3 on 2. From their our team can take a swift and decisive victory. Due to my above statements I see no other option than for the judges to vote for our team as victors of this match.

Puts a new twist to all this

Originally posted by Soujaboy
1. Our Opponents want you to believe they have this massive speed advantage, and again I point out this is false. The rules of the tourney specifically state that characters may only operate at speeds up to and under that of light. Considering two of their characters prior to the battle can operate at light speeds, the creation of the boards are utterly useless. Due to two of our characters(Atom, and Bill) being able to move at speeds near, at, or above light, we should be able to easily cope with their speed.

2. Our opponents initially planned to have their imitation Surfer give a portion of his power cosmic to Thor. However our team can counter this by reversing the energy polarities, we could reverse the cosmic energy that gave Thor his upgrade. This would only make Thor weaker and easy picking. I have posted this argument before, but instead of a counter argument I received a "BS" claim.

3. Juggernaut won't be removed from the battle field by any maneuvers our opponents plan to deploy. There most recent plan was to have Thor use his anti gravity attack on Cain rendering him helpless. However this won't work due to the mystical shield Cain possesses. For those who read X Men #12 Juggernauts first appearance, Juggernaut during this time was attempted to be removed from battle field via TK. Juggernaut than deployed his mystical shield and he simply stopped and walked on nothingness. The same technique can be easily accessed if needed in this battle.

4. Juggernaut is mobile enough to get a hold of Warlock, or Thor. All thats required is either have Warlock come to him(something our opponents stated they would do in their write up), have Juggernaut launched by one of our teammates, have Juggernaut put his leaping abilities to use, or have juggernaut teleported inside a shield with one of our opponents.

5. Our opponents would like for you to believe that the power cosmic can't be drained, however this is false. Recently In Annihilation a number of Galactus former heralds have been drained of that very power. Fallen One for example was just strait out sucked dry of his power by Tenebrous. Terax, Morg, and Air Walker have also been drained of their power. Thor is no reason why the same can't be done to this imitation Surfer.

6. My opponents have tried to come up with ways that Juggernaut can be dealt with, but all have been countered. They have no strategy concerning removing his helmet, thus the only logical way to go about it is by coming within Cain's reach. Once in his reach it's over. Cain has shown on a number of occasions that he is physically one of the most formidable characters in the Marvel Universe. Once he gets his hands on any one of their characters, it's lights out.

My opponents have tried saying that Warlock can teleport behind Cain, however the out come of this would be.

1. Fried, and then mauled by Cain. remember, Juggernauts armor is charged with billions upon billions of volts of electricity.

2. Is surprised he cannot touch Cain, and is grappled and mauled by Cain. Or he is left open from attack from Atom or Bill.

3. Removes the Helmet, and finds that beneath lies a ski mast made of the same properties, and is then mauled by Cain or again is left open for attack.

Either way, the outcome is the same. Warlock mauled, and more than likely left dead. If Warlock approaches Cain, like stated in your first post, he will be quickly dispatched.

7. Bill is skilled with Stormbreaker, period. Our opponents have tried discrediting this fact but they can't. I have provided scans of how Beat ray Bill wields stormbreaker with intelligence and skill.

8. I 've been wondering about a flaw in my opponents plan, however I haven't stated anything yet because I didn't want to limit their imagination. They plan on having Space Phantom become Norrin Radd, and that fine. However with this transformation how would one go about attaining Surfers power? As you know. The power cosmic isn't Surfers power, it's ultimately only an extension of Galactus power. In order for them to attain the power cosmic, they would essentially have to steal it from Galactus. The power cosmic is Galactus soul power and it can't be duplicated by beings such as Space Phantom, which is basically what our opponents are trying to do. In order for our opponents to attain the power cosmic it would have to be willingly given by Galactus however it's not. When they have Space Phantom transform into an imitation Surfer, he'll only be strong, durable, and shiny. This plan would be as useless as transforming into Rune King Thor, because although they would have his physical body they wouldn't attain the Odin Power.

For example, say someone tried duplicating Mjolnir. They would be successful in attaining the physical body, however they would retain none of it's magical properties or power due to it being enchanted by the Odin Power. In order to retain the power, the odin power would have to be duplicated which is impossible. This is the same situation our opponents will face, trying to turn into Surfer.

Their go's their plan out the door. This throws out the boards, Thor's upgrade, and any chance at victory for our opponents.

POW!!!! Right in the kisser!!!!

Originally posted by Blair Wind
Puts a new twist to all this

DigiMark Post # 8.

...not really. Space Phantom's bio states as much. We were never trying to hide it. It happens when SP tries to become anyone whose power is magically based.

So that argument is null for Surfer, as his power doesn't derive from a magical source.

And Galactus can take away any of the power from his heralds, but he freely gave it to Surfer. It's not connected at all times to Galactus, and nothing in all of comic-dom can prove otherwise. By this estimation, Surfer should have been banned, because he's an extension of Galactus' being (which is false). It's a laughable stretch.

...I have an old Marvel Handbook page that describes it. I'll try to find it.

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I realize SP is Scoob's character, but this should really fall under the realm of clarification, because I'm not actively debating for him. It's just that our opponent has chosen to ignore the guidelines established for SP, and is trying to create a loophole that isn't there.



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And as for the Juggernaut stuff, they never even remotely proved that Juggs could act as a conductor for electricity, and we honestly don't even need to physically touch him.

And the whole thing about him being able to touch Warlock is ridiculous. Adam's faster, smarter, more skilled, can teleport and use energy blasts, etc. My entire first post dealt with why Juggernaut was completely overmatched by Warlock.

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And first they tried to say they'd absorb the power cosmic (which we soundly defeated with concrete scans) and now they're....reversing polaritites so that the power cosmic leaves Thor??

I can't even begin to try and understand that one, but as soon as someone reverses polarities on Surfer and eliminates his power, we'll talk. And the power transfer itself is happening in prep, so they can't mess with it at that point.

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Originally posted by batdude123
POW!!!! Right in the kisser!!!!

Love the objectivity, Mr. Director Sir.



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I'd write more but I have to go to work. Later guys.

Edit: Forget it....I was sorta argueing. However a bio can be misleading.

Ill let Souja/MM figure out the the debate I would use if I were them

Originally posted by DigiMark007
DigiMark Post # 8.

...not really. Space Phantom's bio states as much. We were never trying to hide it. It happens when SP tries to become anyone whose power is magically based.

So that argument is null for Surfer, as his power doesn't derive from a magical soucre.

And Galactus can take away any of the power from his heralds, but he freely gave it to Surfer. It's not connected at all times to Galactus, and nothing in all of comic-dom can prove otherwise.

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I realize SP is Scoob's character, but this should really fall under the realm of clarification, because I'm not actively debating for him. It's just that our opponent has chosen to ignore the guidelines established for SP, and is trying to create a loophole that isn't there.



Soujaboy Post #8

Tell us then how a new source of the power cosmic is to be obtained if not from Galactus? You will have him transform into a Surfer with no power, seeing as how ultimately the power cosmic is wielded and dealt by Galactus.

Like I've stated, it would be like making an attempt to duplicate Mjolnir. The physical body is obtainable, but the properties given from the creator are not.

Galactus is also a god in his own right, his power easily rivals or trumps the power of the Odin Power enchantments. We understand that Surfers power don't derive from a magical source, they derive from the Ultimate source. Do you believe Space Phantom is powerful enough to duplicate this power? i don't, and the judges shouldn't either.

BTW who's the most powerful character Space Phantoms tried to duplicate? Thor. Bio's can be misleading, it could be simply that Space Phantom couldn't cope with the out right raw power that Thor possessed. What power couldn't Space Phantom handle? the odin power, the power cosmic as you know is a even greater source of energy. Either way it shows Space Phantoms can't deal with vast amounts of raw power.

Again I say your initial plan and write up are ruined.

Originally posted by DigiMark007
Love the objectivity, Mr. Director Sir.



POW!!!! Right in the kisser!!!

http://content.ytmnd.com/content/3/3/1/33190fe5a489c677b7238706298b34f1.jpg

Originally posted by Soujaboy
Soujaboy Post #8

Tell us then how a new source of the power cosmic is to be obtained if not from Galactus? You will have him transform into a Surfer with no power, seeing as how ultimately the power cosmic is wielded and dealt by Galactus.

Like I've stated, it would be like making an attempt to duplicate Mjolnir. The physical body is obtainable, but the properties given from the creator are not.

Galactus is also a god in his own right, his power easily rivals or trumps the power of the Odin Power enchantments. We understand that Surfers power don't derive from a magical source, they derive from the Ultimate source. Do you believe Space Phantom is powerful enough to duplicate this power? i don't, and the judges should either.

Post #9

It's directly in his bio/powers. He isn't copying anything. He's literally becoming Surfer, everything except his mind. So no, he's not going to have a husk of Surfer's body with no powers....the transfer is complete, and is an inherent part of SP's power set. You're looking for loopholes that aren't there.

And saying that we're "copying Galactus" is equally ridiculous. Just listen to yourself. You're making it sound like SP has to become the entirety that is Big G's power. He gives powers cosmic to his herals, and it's theirs. They can draw from power cosmic in the universe (that doesn't directly belong to Galactus) and have their own supply. The times Surfer (or any other herald) has used power cosmic to amp their strength or other attribute are uncountable. And why is that? Because they can freely draw from the power cosmic of their own accord.

So if you want to argue that, fine. It's wrong, and SP has Surfer's actual body, not a copy, but tell yourself whatever you need to since we're running out of time.

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Here ya go, btw. It explains how it was only the enchantments surrounding Thor that prevented SP from becoming him.

http://img248.imageshack.us/img248/8443/spbio5zw.th.jpg

Digi, who was the most powerful person Phantom took powers from? Because all the bios are saying is that they are assuming that it was the magic that did not allow SP to get Thor's powers

*whistles* I'm waiting for the closing remarks, everyone still has a few posts left, and I wouldn't want to vote prematurely.

I assume since Digi and Scoob stated they were done posting, that are match is now ready to be judged.

Alrighty first i would like to say this has been great fun and good luck to Digi/Scoobs

Now as Souja and i have proven it would seem that Space Phantom could under no conditions copy or mimic surfer and that if he tried he would be sent back to limbo rendering him useless.Even if he is not sent to limbo there is no proof that he can shapeshift into someone he has not met,meaning one Omni-blast from Atom
http://img261.imageshack.us/my.php?image=extremejustice03122kp.jpg

So now we have the numbers Advantage over their team who for some foolish reason have weakened themeselves with a soul-link.
http://img518.imageshack.us/my.php?image=soullink2ci2.jpg
Without surfers cosmic powers it would seem that Thor is not Amped nor is warlock(infact they're weakened)meaning that Bill amped by his heat armour would have the immediate advantage over Thor.

Now we have the Juggernaut.Throughout this battle they have had you believe that their speed advantage made him useless well they no longer have that luxury.Warlock and thor will now be engaged in battle with Capt Atom and Bill meaning they are in no position to dodge Juggy who can abuse thor or aid Atom (Digi has always seemed to doubt juggs could touch him however Eyes in the back of his head are not one of Adams powers)Regardless Whomever Juggy aids will inevitably take the win in their matchup leaving the last one as Cleanup.

In Closing

1)Space phantom is rendered entirely useless due to their own strategy
2)they weaken their own characters Via a Soul-link that has Dazing effects on anyone.
3)We now have the numbers advantage over them and every conceivable advantage
4)this has been very fun and i wish good luck to all
5)we kickass
6)no one likes hugh Jackman

Heres warlock Soul-linking with surfer in soul world
http://img253.imageshack.us/my.php?image=toll9fa.jpg

and here he is talking how his abilities are amped in soul world
http://img253.imageshack.us/my.php?image=greaterpower1uu.jpg

Originally posted by Soujaboy
I assume since Digi and Scoob stated they were done posting, that are match is now ready to be judged.

I stated I was PROBABLY done. Don't try to call the match when you think you have an upper hand. I still have 40 minutes by my watch.

Originally posted by Martian_mind
Heres warlock Soul-linking with surfer in soul world
http://img253.imageshack.us/my.php?image=toll9fa.jpg

and here he is talking how his abilities are amped in soul world
http://img253.imageshack.us/my.php?image=greaterpower1uu.jpg

Doesn't matter. He's soul-linked with others outside of soul world. It's a moot point....like the Dr. Strange link in our write-up, which apparently you didn't read. It was outside Soul World and without the gem. He has that power anywhere.

Look guys, I alreayd made my point. I posted the bio that proves that the only reason he couldn't copy Thor was because of the magic. Otherwise he could have, so this power level is easily within his power. And everything we've done is backed by credible bios or full-proof scans. They're trying to make you believe that SP doesn't have the exact powers he's supposed to have.

So you can believe whatever you want: A last-ditch desperation attempt to cast doubt on our plan, using nothing more than their own flawed logic. Or our plan, which is backed every step of the way by credible evidence, and has no real flaws in it except the false ones MM and Souja would have you see.

...this was an insane day, and I have to leave again, so I can't type more. So I guess that's my last post for this match. Nice match guys.

"There is no proof supporting your claims that without magic he could have mimicked Thor. Your bio's also didn't prove anything, only made assumptions. We could just as easily assume that the reason Space Phantom couldn't mimic Thor's power is because he isn't powerful enough. That would also explain why he couldn't mimic Captain mar-Vell's power neither.

Digi you have come to this battle with no proof supporting any claims that you've made about Space Phantom.

You stated he could mimic anyones power as long as he knew of their existence, yet you had no proof.

You claimed he had the power to mimic Surfer, yet he's never once mimicked anyones power over mid tier(Hulk). Again you came with no proof.

You've based this entire battle off speculations and no proof, no proof = no argument.

Originally posted by Soujaboy
Space Phantom in his short history have never mimicked a character whom he hadn't came in contact with

Yes he has.

Go check out "beyond" ... he becomes quite a few characters in that who he has never met before.

Originally posted by Soujaboy
Space Phantom's failed both times he attempted to mimic characters with incredible power. One being Thor, and the other being Mar-Vell. This leads me to believe that Space Phantom does not posses to necessary power to duplicate herald lv characters.

Nope.

He couldn't copy thor because of magical enchantments and he couldn't copy Rick Jones because he was linked to Mar-Vell ... which meant he was trying to copy two characters at once.

You're grasping at straws.

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And you guys don't seriously believe that reversing a magnetic polarity is anything remotely like cancelling out the power cosmic?

Originally posted by Scoobless
Yes he has.

Go check out "beyond" ... he becomes quite a few characters in that who he has never met before.



Nope.

He couldn't copy thor because of magical enchantments and he couldn't copy Rick Jones because he was linked to Mar-Vell ... which meant he was trying to copy two characters at once.

You're grasping at straws.

The match is over Scoobs.

Originally posted by batdude123
The match is over Scoobs.

Indeed. But that last post is nothing that hasn't been said before, so even ignoring it, you kinda take it into account, :-P. My vote will be case momentarily.

Originally posted by batdude123
The match is over Scoobs.

I noticed that after I posted it .... I take it there aren't special extensions for drunkeness?

Alright, I hating voting first, but perhaps I'll get lucky, and while I'm typing this, someone will come in and vote under me.

.
Teams:
So, we have Digi and Scoob representing Adam Warlock, the Space Phantom, and Thor.

versus

Souja and MartianMind repping the Juggernaut, Beta Ray Bill, and Captain Atom.

I'm kind of liking Souja's team better. I mean Space Phantom? Who the hell is that? Adam Warlock? He isn't even midtier without the soul gem! .

Just kidding Digi, don't ban me.

Regardless, my first impression of the teams matters little. I knew how Digi and Scoob operated, and knew they'd have something quite impressive planned.

I was right.

Prep:
Soul Link! Genius. When I first read that, I knew I was going to be in for a treat. All of Digi's team would have the experience, fighting ability, and knowledge of Doc Strange, Thor, Masterson Thor, and the Silver Surfer. That is Eon's of experience, added in a flash. That alone would be great, but when they have the space phantom take the form of the Surfer, he already has all of Surfer's knowledge and experience in ADDITION to his power.

And let me address that, now, my opinion on the 'controversial' topic brought up near the end of the match. It really does seem as if digi and scoob have defending their strategy. There seems to be no reason that the space phantom couldn't take the form of the surfer. If it's because he taps into a well of infinite energies...well..hasn't the Phantom taken the form of the Hulk?

I'm not saying that the Hulk and Surfer are comparable, but hasn't it been said that the Hulk draws his strength from an infinite interdimensional source?

Meh. As far as space phantom goes, I think that Souja and Martian Mind wasted a few posts near the end trying to argue against it. Maybe I'm the one who is mistaken, though, I dunno.

Anyways, moving on.

Thor and Warlock now both have the durablility of the Surfer added to their own. Not to mention his ability to call on additional Strength. This compounded with Adam and Strange's martial arts abilities, and the INSANE mobility the Surfer has on his board (dodging meteorstorms at lightspeed?) make Digi's team a force to be reckoned with, even on the physical playing field.

Now, Souja's and MM's opening strategy:

Not nearly as complex or intertwined as Digi's and Scoobs, but effective nonetheless. Except for the fact that it even STARTS with Bill using a couple Thor feats - a subject of some contention for this match.

Anyways, the fact that they leave Juggernaut more or less unprotected and unamped put them at a distinct disadvantage. As I mentioned before, the Surfer dodges meteors at speeds faster than C. The Juggernaut's going to jump at him?

The Juggernaut isn't a bad pick! Not at all! Properly melded and amped, he is INCREDIBLE in tourney's like these. But When used as EXACTLY what he is - a brick - well...that's like picking the Hulk for one of these Herald level tourneys. Non sensical.

Battle:

It seems for the first half of the match, Digi and Scoob had Souja and MM on the run. On the defensive. The debate was theirs to control and lead.

The second half, this momentum faltered a bit, and even completely REVERSED once Digi and Scoob had to start defending their initial picks, even.

Mobility definitely goes to Digi's team. Souja's idea of reversing polarities on the power cosmic was creative, but inaccurate. Reversing magetic polarities is hardly the same thing as making energy disappear or reverse its effects.

Meh, I could go on, analyzing the battle post by post, but I'm not dedicated enough, and I doubt anyone cares enough for me to actually do that. **** it.

Vote

The only part anyone gives a flying **** about. The part most people probably scrolled/skipped down to.

So, first, I would like to wish both teams good luck, and congratulate both on a job well done. Both debated quite well. Surprisingly well, in Martian's case, as he is a bit new to the tourney scene.

Good job, guys!

However, my vote, for a combination of beautiful prep and great strategization, is going to have to go to.....

Digi/Scoob

Good job guys. You really impressed me.

Damnit, I just noticed, two posts ago, I said 'my vote will be case momentarily.'

And it's been more than fifteen minutes. I hate looking retarded.

And by posting this addendum, I probably look even moreso. Regardless. I know how to spell cast, god damnit.

My analysis isn't going to be nearly as thorough as Soljer's, although he's covered a lot of the reasoning behind my vote.

Firstly, with regard to the eleventh hour attempt to discredit the very opening strategy of creating Space Phantom Surfer (SPS), it might have worked had it not been an eleventh hour attempt. Digi/Scoobs put forward a clear and convincing reasoning why they believed they could use an SPS in their opening strategy. And throughout the battle until the very last moment MM and Souja, themselves, have been arguing under the premise that they were fighting SPS.

Secondly, with regard to Juggernaut, a major flaw in his use to me was using him purely as the Juggernaut. A brick. A brick without flight, speed or energy projection in a herald level tourney is basically a liability. I can't imagine a Juggernaut leaping around in the Moon's weak gravity to serve any real purpose other than as an annoyance.

Thirdly, it seemed to me that MM and Souja were wasting a lot of effort pursuing several points that weren't solidly backed, for a few examples attempting to absorb SPS and Thor's surfboards (afaik the Surfer's board is composed of the same incredibly durable substance as the Surfer, and isn't an energy construct) or reversing polarities in order to reverse power transference that happened during prep.

While I believe both teams made a valiant effort and put forward some creative arguments, in terms of preparation and strategy my overall impression was that Digi and Scoobs put forward a more convincing and cohesive strategy to win, and made the more creative and effective use of the characters at their disposal.

So, while I congratulate Soujaboy and Martian_mind on an excellent effort, my vote goes to DigiMark007 and Scoobless.

I'll be expecting a letterbomb and a signed blank cheque in my mail box from the teams respectively.

My vote is on Digi/Scoobless

The choose of the characters was wise since all of them were pretty versatile.

They had great tactics for instance the soul and telepathic links between their team members giving them the experience of the characters also giving Surfer's powers to the characters giving them some advantage against the other team.

I also liked that they were able to encounter every "attack" that Souja and MM brought up against them IMO you guys could use more scans to back up those "counter attacks" but maybe it's just me who thinks this.

As for the other team the Juggernaut tactics weren't really useful sorry to say this but Juggernaut is pretty much useless till someone engages him in a physical battle which won't really be happening since all of the other team members had speed and flight advantage against him also Juggernaut channeling electricity sounds pretty unbelievable since he was never shown to do anything like that.

Well I have to admit that this was the most impressive match I have seen in the current tourney.

Anyway good job both of you.

Originally posted by juggernaut66666

Well I have to admit that this was the most impressive match I have seen in the current tourney.


It's also only the third, let's not be hasty. .

Originally posted by Soljer
It's also only the third, let's not be hasty. .
Anyway, I liked it.schmoll

Did anyone read the last page or so of this match, Just wondering and all seeing as how we lost the match basically from what our opponents bleieved SP could do?

Well maybe next time, I'll know better than to wait till the last second to kick our opponents off balance.

Originally posted by Soujaboy
Did anyone read the last page or so of this match?



Don't be bitter. It makes you look like a sore loser.

And for the record, I read every single post written in this thread. .

Originally posted by Soljer


Don't be bitter. It makes you look like a sore loser.

And for the record, I read every single post written in this thread. .

I am a sore loser

Originally posted by Soujaboy
I am a sore loser

Originally posted by Soljer


What?

Good match everyone Congrats Digi/Scoobs.Souja don't worry about it,we lost to two of the best on this forum who have a very good chance of victory.Infact i hope they win(just cause that means we can say we were the 2nd best team in the tourney,which we are ) Anyway congrats everyone on a good match.(Oh and judges...if you have any loved one's you want to live to a ripe old age i suggest you open your mail atleast three miles away from them

Originally posted by Martian_mind
Good match everyone Congrats Digi/Scoobs.Souja don't worry about it,we lost to two of the best on this forum who have a very good chance of victory.Infact i hope they win(just cause that means we can say we were the 2nd best team in the tourney,which we are ) Anyway congrats everyone on a good match.(Oh and judges...if you have any loved one's you want to live to a ripe old age i suggest you open your mail atleast three miles away from them

Nice match all.



And to MM/Souja, you guys surprised the hell out of me. You did a great job with your picks, and gave us a tough match. It was fun. Thanks, and hopefully you're not done with tourneys.

Originally posted by DigiMark007
Nice match all.



And to MM/Souja, you guys surprised the hell out of me. You did a great job with your picks, and gave us a tough match. It was fun. Thanks, and hopefully you're not done with tourneys.



I'll be back

Originally posted by Soljer
Alright, I hating voting first, but perhaps I'll get lucky, and while I'm typing this, someone will come in and vote under me.

.
Teams:
So, we have Digi and Scoob representing Adam Warlock, the Space Phantom, and Thor.

versus

Souja and MartianMind repping the Juggernaut, Beta Ray Bill, and Captain Atom.

I'm kind of liking Souja's team better. I mean Space Phantom? Who the hell is that? Adam Warlock? He isn't even midtier without the soul gem! .

Just kidding Digi, don't ban me.

Regardless, my first impression of the teams matters little. I knew how Digi and Scoob operated, and knew they'd have something quite impressive planned.

I was right.

Prep:
Soul Link! Genius. When I first read that, I knew I was going to be in for a treat. All of Digi's team would have the experience, fighting ability, and knowledge of Doc Strange, Thor, Masterson Thor, and the Silver Surfer. That is Eon's of experience, added in a flash. That alone would be great, but when they have the space phantom take the form of the Surfer, he already has all of Surfer's knowledge and experience in ADDITION to his power.

And let me address that, now, my opinion on the 'controversial' topic brought up near the end of the match. It really does seem as if digi and scoob have defending their strategy. There seems to be no reason that the space phantom couldn't take the form of the surfer. If it's because he taps into a well of infinite energies...well..hasn't the Phantom taken the form of the Hulk?

I'm not saying that the Hulk and Surfer are comparable, but hasn't it been said that the Hulk draws his strength from an infinite interdimensional source?

Meh. As far as space phantom goes, I think that Souja and Martian Mind wasted a few posts near the end trying to argue against it. Maybe I'm the one who is mistaken, though, I dunno.

Anyways, moving on.

Thor and Warlock now both have the durablility of the Surfer added to their own. Not to mention his ability to call on additional Strength. This compounded with Adam and Strange's martial arts abilities, and the INSANE mobility the Surfer has on his board (dodging meteorstorms at lightspeed?) make Digi's team a force to be reckoned with, even on the physical playing field.

Now, Souja's and MM's opening strategy:

Not nearly as complex or intertwined as Digi's and Scoobs, but effective nonetheless. Except for the fact that it even STARTS with Bill using a couple Thor feats - a subject of some contention for this match.

Anyways, the fact that they leave Juggernaut more or less unprotected and unamped put them at a distinct disadvantage. As I mentioned before, the Surfer dodges meteors at speeds faster than C. The Juggernaut's going to jump at him?

The Juggernaut isn't a bad pick! Not at all! Properly melded and amped, he is INCREDIBLE in tourney's like these. But When used as EXACTLY what he is - a brick - well...that's like picking the Hulk for one of these Herald level tourneys. Non sensical.

Battle:

It seems for the first half of the match, Digi and Scoob had Souja and MM on the run. On the defensive. The debate was theirs to control and lead.

The second half, this momentum faltered a bit, and even completely REVERSED once Digi and Scoob had to start defending their initial picks, even.

Mobility definitely goes to Digi's team. Souja's idea of reversing polarities on the power cosmic was creative, but inaccurate. Reversing magetic polarities is hardly the same thing as making energy disappear or reverse its effects.

Meh, I could go on, analyzing the battle post by post, but I'm not dedicated enough, and I doubt anyone cares enough for me to actually do that. **** it.

Vote

The only part anyone gives a flying **** about. The part most people probably scrolled/skipped down to.

So, first, I would like to wish both teams good luck, and congratulate both on a job well done. Both debated quite well. Surprisingly well, in Martian's case, as he is a bit new to the tourney scene.

Good job, guys!

However, my vote, for a combination of beautiful prep and great strategization, is going to have to go to.....

Digi/Scoob

Good job guys. You really impressed me.








Last edited by DigiMark007 on Today at 11:23 AM

Originally posted by xmarksthespot
My analysis isn't going to be nearly as thorough as Soljer's, although he's covered a lot of the reasoning behind my vote.

Firstly, with regard to the eleventh hour attempt to discredit the very opening strategy of creating Space Phantom Surfer (SPS), it might have worked had it not been an eleventh hour attempt. Digi/Scoobs put forward a clear and convincing reasoning why they believed they could use an SPS in their opening strategy. And throughout the battle until the very last moment MM and Souja, themselves, have been arguing under the premise that they were fighting SPS.

Secondly, with regard to Juggernaut, a major flaw in his use to me was using him purely as the Juggernaut. A brick. A brick without flight, speed or energy projection in a herald level tourney is basically a liability. I can't imagine a Juggernaut leaping around in the Moon's weak gravity to serve any real purpose other than as an annoyance.

Thirdly, it seemed to me that MM and Souja were wasting a lot of effort pursuing several points that weren't solidly backed, for a few examples attempting to absorb SPS and Thor's surfboards (afaik the Surfer's board is composed of the same incredibly durable substance as the Surfer, and isn't an energy construct) or reversing polarities in order to reverse power transference that happened during prep.

While I believe both teams made a valiant effort and put forward some creative arguments, in terms of preparation and strategy my overall impression was that Digi and Scoobs put forward a more convincing and cohesive strategy to win, and made the more creative and effective use of the characters at their disposal.

So, while I congratulate Soujaboy and Martian_mind on an excellent effort, my vote goes to DigiMark007 and Scoobless.

I'll be expecting a letterbomb and a signed blank cheque in my mail box from the teams respectively.








Last edited by DigiMark007 on Today at 6:06 PM

Originally posted by juggernaut66666
My vote is on Digi/Scoobless

The choose of the characters was wise since all of them were pretty versatile.

They had great tactics for instance the soul and telepathic links between their team members giving them the experience of the characters also giving Surfer's powers to the characters giving them some advantage against the other team.

I also liked that they were able to encounter every "attack" that Souja and MM brought up against them IMO you guys could use more scans to back up those "counter attacks" but maybe it's just me who thinks this.

As for the other team the Juggernaut tactics weren't really useful sorry to say this but Juggernaut is pretty much useless till someone engages him in a physical battle which won't really be happening since all of the other team members had speed and flight advantage against him also Juggernaut channeling electricity sounds pretty unbelievable since he was never shown to do anything like that.

Well I have to admit that this was the most impressive match I have seen in the current tourney.

Anyway good job both of you.








Last edited by DigiMark007 on Today at 6:24 PM

Originally posted by bigbran

That dirty scoundrel!

Did I miss something?

Originally posted by Badabing
That dirty scoundrel!



Hey, whatever it takes, bub.

Originally posted by Soujaboy
Did I miss something?
Bran took all of the judges' vote posts and typed at the bottom: Last edited by DigiMark007 on Today.........

Originally posted by Badabing
Bran took all of the judges' vote posts and typed at the bottom: Last edited by DigiMark007 on Today.........

Originally posted by DigiMark007
Hey, whatever it takes, bub.



He just called me bub!

I demand a recount!

Yo momma is so fat where ever she casts her shadow the ground cracks

Originally posted by Martian_mind
Yo momma is so fat where ever she casts her shadow the ground cracks

Yeah, that's my cue to unpin this.

Nice match all.

Bump

Originally posted by Badabing
Bran took all of the judges' vote posts and typed at the bottom: Last edited by DigiMark007 on Today......... I didn't do anything of the sort...

That was classic.

Can we steal Stormbreaker for the second match then?