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Welcome to Batdude’s Tourney Match #4!!!

Today’s Contender’s are

Darthgoober/Big Bran

And their characters for the fight are:

Bran / Darthgoober -
Earth X Absorbing Man
Despero
Super-Adaptoid

Vs.

Devil Lance/Lucid Lui

And their characters for the tourney are:

Lucid Lui / DevilLance -
DL - Quasar
LL - X-Man
Both - Mangog

For a look at the rules, use this link:

http://www.killermovies.com/forums/430696_1-batdudes-tourney-discussion-thread

The characters for the match will have twenty minutes of preparation time. The battle will take place in Atlantis. The contenders will each have nanotechnology injected into their blood stream that allows them to be able to function underwater. They will be approximately 1 kilometer apart (.62 miles).

START THE BATTLE!!!!

Judges for the match are (again) pending…

Darthgoober/BB's opening statement:

DL/LL's opening statement:

well seeing how our team is invisble I don't think your startegy wiill work.

Your tyeam won't know who to attaack and will waste time destroying the illusions on the battle field. Letting us get in a surprise omni directional attack on your team from quasar who shileds our team from it http://img366.imageshack.us/my.php?image=avengers338047qu.jpg stunning them and knocking them down

allowing our team to get the matchups we want

Mangog vs Superadaptoid (Dr Druid)
Dr. D is pretty powerull but his durability isn't that great so Quasar's blast should hurt him alot.

Now since Dr. D is stunned for a while it will give Mangog the time to get a ton of hits in seeing how fast his blows can be

http://www.picsaway.com/view/thor_vol2_526_024_17-71c6c48845.jpg

that barrage of blows pretty much puts Super Adaptoid down for the count given Dr. D's poor durability and Mangog's amazing strength.
After this Mangog goes to help one of his teamates.

Shaman X-man vs Despero
I'll let Lucid explain this one

Quasar vs AM

Quasar has dealt with AM before when he was very inexperienced and still won that fight. Now he's way more experienced so this fight should be easy.

First of Quasar teleports Absorb Man's ball and chain. Then he puts AM in a series of 7 or 8 constraints and bubbles like these
http://img359.imageshack.us/my.php?image=quasar033169iy.jpg

http://img480.imageshack.us/my.php?image=quasar38147lm.jpg

http://img480.imageshack.us/my.php?image=quasar38147lm.jpg

now if AM tries something stupid like becomeing the construct enrgy Quasar will just do to am what he did to the Living Laser vacum him away

http://img177.imageshack.us/my.php?image=quasar60096kc.jpg

http://img177.imageshack.us/my.php?image=quasar60108uj.jpg

so either AM is sttuck in a series o fquantam bubbles and constraints or if he trys to become the construct enrgy either way he'll lose eventually whtehe rit be by quasar him self or with some help from Mangog amd X-ma once there done with ttheir opponents.
Thers no way Am would be able to take Quasar and Mangog at the same time

Ooh, nice strategy guys. Should be a good match. Good luck.


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Ok, Lucid Post #1.
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The problem here is, our team doesn't approach. We teleport in, we're invisible and we're Psi-Shielded. And there's multiple "telemorphic manifestations" scattered around the battle field that you're gonna be thinking is us, at least for a few seconds.



With barely any experience in the use of his powers, X-Man was able to shield his presence from Exodus, a top level telepath. Shaman X-Man is at full potential in the use of his powers, and has the skill to back it up. He will be able to shield his presence from Despero and Adaptoid. At least long enough to do what he needs to do (not to mention, X-Man's invisible and they're are multiple illusions to distract their team).
1. http://img234.imageshack.us/my.php?image=shieldingpresence01zj9.jpg

A case certainly could be made, but that's not how this is going down. Since you guys are making no effort to hide from us, and basically waiting for us to arrive, it just makes this whole thing easier.

The split second we've teleported to your location X-man then teleports Despero a good distance underground. Not into a cavern or anything, he's teleporting him into solid ground, effectivelly taking him out of the fight. This takes a second or two at most.
1. http://img62.imageshack.us/my.php?image=teleportation01qw1.jpg
2. http://img62.imageshack.us/my.php?image=teleportation02vv9.jpg

Adaptoid's not going to get a chance to attack X-Man in any way (if he did somehow manage to find him), because the split second we've landed, Mangog has started pounding into him so fast, with his massive strength augmented even further by the Quantum armour and telepathic power-up he recieved earlier.
1. http://img62.imageshack.us/my.php?image=thorvol25260241771c6c48vs0.jpg
Now, for those not familiar with Mangog, i suggest you read his bio to get a look at just how powerful he is. There's no way Adaptoid will be able to last with the beating he's receiving from an invisible, enhanced Mangog. And X-Man, having dealt with Despero, will be there to help if Mangog needs it (which he won't).

Meanwhile, Quasar has been dealing with Absorbing Man, and if he hasn't finished by this point, the numbers advantage has shifted solidly in our favour, and we proceed to double team him.

Quick Summary
1. Our invisible, armoured and Psi-Shielded team teleports right to our opponents location, while they are distracted by various illusions.
2. X-Man teleports Despero into solid ground.
3. Adaptoid is taken down down by an immense amount of blows from one of, if not the, strongest characters in this tournament (Mangog).
4. X-Man and Mangog proceed to help Quasar if he needs it.

NON-OFFICIAL POST
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Just re-posting the relevant X-Man/Mangog scans that aren't working in our initial prep post. DL will fill in the Quasar ones.
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X-Man's Psi-Shielding...
1. http://img76.imageshack.us/my.php?image=psishields01gh5.jpg

X-Man's telekinetic armour...
1. http://img214.imageshack.us/my.php?image=tkarmour01cq4.jpg
2. http://img214.imageshack.us/my.php?image=tkarmour02vr8.jpg

Mangog feeds on hate...
1. http://img214.imageshack.us/my.php?image=thor1980686fa9d770dbs7.jpg

Invisibility...
1. http://img205.imageshack.us/my.php?image=invisibility01jb5.jpg

unoffcial post
here are the scans from my intial write up since apparently they don't work
Quasar then absorbs as much energy as possible from the environment and any distant energy sources, which powers him up.
http://img128.exs.cx/my.php?loc=img128&image=star.jpg

X-Man is creating extremely powerful Psi-Shields in Mangog's mind protecting him from any telepathic attacks. This, as shown in the scan, takes only a few seconds. (The 12 telepaths in the scan below, together they were powerful enough to travel between realities. Their shields are nothing compared to X-Mans.)
http://img76.imageshack.us/my.php?image=psishields01gh5.jpg

X-Man then creates durable telekinetic armour for the group
http://img214.imageshack.us/my.php?image=tkarmour01cq4.jpg
http://img214.imageshack.us/my.php?image=tkarmour02vr8.jpg

Quasar creates Quantum armour constructs for the whole team (on top of X-Man's telekinteic armour). He'll spend most of the 10 minutes minutes doing this. The longer Quasar spends on constructs the stronger and more durable they become, (an armour construct which he created in seconds withstood multiple blasts from Silver Surfer) so these armours will be extremely durable.

http://img277.imageshack.us/my.php?image=quasar050343zo.jpg
http://img277.imageshack.us/my.php?image=quasar050375su.jpg

From the earlier telepathic connection X-Man knows that Mangog has the power of a billion billion beings and he feeds on hate (see scan below), so he proceeds to telepathically feed him that emotion personified for the next few minutes, powering his already formidable strength and durability up to immense levels.
http://img214.imageshack.us/my.php?image=thor1980686fa9d770dbs7.jpg


Now with our team standing fully armoured and ready to fight, Both X-Man and Quasar deflect the light around the team effectively making them invisible.
http://img205.imageshack.us/my.php?image=invisibility01jb5.jpg

The second the fight starts X-Man will create illusions scattered around the battle field. Some of these illusions will be of the people on our team, and some will be of various baddies and allies he or his allies have met throughout the years.
http://img205.imageshack.us/my.php?image=xman1913iw5.jpg

Wow guys nice plan. Unfortunately for your team, your plan is just not going to work. Let’s revue…


1. Originally posted by Devil Lance
The second the fight starts X-Man will create illusions scattered around the battle field.
Well the only problem with that, is that Super Adaptoid is IMMUNE to illusions.
(For the record, in this scan, SA didn’t have the powers of anyone who was themselves immune to illusions at the time, so it’s all him,)
http://img352.imageshack.us/img352/5853/illusionslx7.jpg

2. Originally posted by Devil Lance
well seeing how our team is invisble I don't think your startegy wiill work.
Who says that Dr. Druid has to see someone, or be up close to use his powers?

(Uses long range mental powers, without seeing the target)
http://img208.imageshack.us/img208/6372/longrangent6.jpg
http://img352.imageshack.us/img352/41/longrange2eu1.jpg
See? Not only did he not have to see Captain Marvel, when he missed it actually followed after her.(And notice that it just BARELY missed her. Since you never said anything about flying around at light speed, X-Man gets hit.)

Originally posted by Devil Lance
Mangog vs Superadaptoid (Dr Druid)
Dr. D is pretty powerull but his durability isn't that great so Quasar's blast should hurt him alot.

Now since Dr. D is stunned for a while it will give Mangog the time to get a ton of hits in seeing how fast his blows can be

But your guys aren’t just facing against SA as Dr. Druid. They’re facing SA that is as strong/durable as Cap’s shield(not to mention has Cap‘s fighting skills), as fast as Despero, with EX AM’s absorption powers(don’t forget, he was ready to absorb incoming attacks) AND Dr. Druid‘s mental abilities. Meaning that he can take just about anything you can dish out.

Originally posted by Lucid Lui
The problem here is, our team doesn't approach. We teleport in, we're invisible and we're Psi-Shielded. And there's multiple "telemorphic manifestations" scattered around the battle field that you're gonna be thinking is us, at least for a few seconds.
And I will admit to that being a very creative strategy, that's going to alter our game plan a bit(I'll cover how a bit later).


Originally posted by Lucid Lui With barely any experience in the use of his powers, X-Man was able to shield his presence from Exodus, a top level telepath. Shaman X-Man is at full potential in the use of his powers, and has the skill to back it up. He will be able to shield his presence from Despero and Adaptoid. At least long enough to do what he needs to do (not to mention, X-Man's invisible and they're are multiple illusions to distract their team).
1. http://img234.imageshack.us/my.php?image=shieldingpresence01zj9.jpg
Well the illusions are useless against Super Adaptoid, and he's about to help Despero out in that department also(I'll get to that in just a bit).

Originally posted by Lucid Lui A case certainly could be made, but that's not how this is going down. Since you guys are making no effort to hide from us, and basically waiting for us to arrive, it just makes this whole thing easier.]
Why would we want to hide? We've got you guys right where we want you.

Originally posted by Lucid Lui The split second we've teleported to your location X-man then teleports Despero a good distance underground. Not into a cavern or anything, he's teleporting him into solid ground, effectivelly taking him out of the fight. This takes a second or two at most.
1. http://img62.imageshack.us/my.php?image=teleportation01qw1.jpg
2. http://img62.imageshack.us/my.php?image=teleportation02vv9.jpg

Two problems with that. First, I don't think that kind of BFR is allowed in this tourney(have to check with batdude). Second, even if you are allowed(though I'm pretty sure your not), Despero would just teleport back(he teleports in the last panel)...
http://img101.imageshack.us/img101/2727/teleportingbn1.jpg

Originally posted by Lucid Lui Adaptoid's not going to get a chance to attack X-Man in any way (if he did somehow manage to find him), because the split second we've landed, Mangog has started pounding into him so fast, with his massive strength augmented even further by the Quantum armour and telepathic power-up he recieved earlier.
1. http://img62.imageshack.us/my.php?image=thorvol25260241771c6c48vs0.jpg
Now, for those not familiar with Mangog, i suggest you read his bio to get a look at just how powerful he is. There's no way Adaptoid will be able to last with the beating he's receiving from an invisible, enhanced Mangog. And X-Man, having dealt with Despero, will be there to help if Mangog needs it (which he won't).
Adaptoid at this point is pretty much a mirror image of our suped up EX AM. IF Mangog somehow managed to get the jump on him, physical attacks just arn't the way to go against someone who can absorb your strength whenever you make contact with him(not that he's really going to need to much, seeing as how he's as durable as Cap's shield).

Originally posted by Lucid Lui Meanwhile, Quasar has been dealing with Absorbing Man, and if he hasn't finished by this point, the numbers advantage has shifted solidly in our favour, and we proceed to double team him.
Yeah...Quasar's probably dead now. But I'll leave that to bigbran to describe.

Originally posted by Lucid Lui Quick Summary
1. Our invisible, armoured and Psi-Shielded team teleports right to our opponents location, while they are distracted by various illusions.
Illusions won't work.
Originally posted by Lucid Lui
It's either not allowed, or I teleport back.
Originally posted by Lucid Lui
Not when all he's doing is using physical attacks against someone who's as durable as Cap's shield, and is able to absorb the force of every punch that connects(which also weakens Mangog, by the way).
Originally posted by Lucid Lui
Oh he'll need it, but those guys are going to be a bit too busy to lend a hand.

Anyway, seeing as how you guys teleported in the way you , it’s going to change our game plan just a bit(but not all that much really).

Now we’ve covered Super Adaptoid being immune to illusions. Well the way I see it, as soon as those illusions start flying around, Super Adaptoid notices, and let’s EX AM and Despero know telepathically and shows them the illusion’s the same way(so our guys aren’t distracted). Don't forget, our entire team has super human reaction speeds, which put them well ahead of Quasar and Mangog, so their won’t be much in the way of attacks before this is accomplished. In fact, Super Adaptoid and EX AM, both have the digitized computer mind of Ultron, and THAT was then enhanced even further by the speed of Despero. Then Super Adaptoid attacks X-Man with Dr. Druid’s mental abilities before Mangog can even attack(unless you have proof that Mangog is that much faster than someone who can interrupt a blitz from Flash). While Super Adaptoid may not be able to take down X-Man in a psychic battle alone(though I honestly don’t remember X-Man going up against someone who combined magic with their mental attacks), at the very least it will indicate his position to Despero(who then attacks X-Man along with the Super Adaptoid), which puts X-Man down for the count. Then it’s just a matter of the two of them taking down Mangog together(and since Quasar should be down at this point along with X-Man, he’s no longer invisible OR psi shielded).

I would like to say before I start good luck, and this should be good.
Also none of your scans work for me, in the prep phase (seen them now).

Originally posted by Devil Lance
Prep

First 10 Minutes
Ok, first off X-man telepathically introduces everyone, sharing how they all fight, think and act, aswell as a quick look at past experiences. This familiarizes the team a great deal, and has them working together seamlessly. They also share whatever knowledge they have of their opponents, which in this case isn't much, but Quasar has faced a Absorbing Man before so they'll have a basic idea of what he's capable of. Through the wonders that is telepathy this takes a minute or 2 at most. Now, yes Quaser has fought AM before, but when he did, AM was just a stupid brawler. Do you really want your whole team going into battle thinking they are up against a big dummy who just absorbs things, because, if it goes like what you said, then your guys are in for a rude awakening. Well, too late for that.

Originally posted by Devil Lance
Quasar then absorbs as much energy as possible from the environment and any distant energy sources, which powers him up.
http://img128.exs.cx/my.php?loc=img128=star.jpg I don’t really see how this helps him against what he will be trying to do to AM…

Originally posted by Devil Lance
From the earlier telepathic connection X-Man knows that Mangog has the power of a billion billion beings and he feeds on hate (see scan below), so he proceeds to telepathically feed him that emotion personified for the next few minutes, powering his already formidable strength and durability up to immense levels.
1. http://img214.imageshack.us/my.php?...fa9d770dbs7.jpg
Strangely enough, though, if Mangog is fighting SA, then I think we should be good, because of our duribility and speed, since he is made out of the same material as Captain America’s shield. Thor has also taken a lot of blows by Mangog, and that thing doesn't really help to how much you will upgrade him. Plus, has Mangog ever had an established limit?

Originally posted by Devil Lance
Now with our team standing fully armoured and ready to fight, Both X-Man and Quasar deflect the light around the team effectively making them invisible.
1. http://img205.imageshack.us/my.php?...bility01jb5.jpg Our whole team are telepaths, and we don’t look at you, we read your minds. Also, they haven’t done this for anyone else, only on themselves, so shouldn’t only X-Man and Quaser be invisible? So Mangog is still visible. Also, unless your whole team is going to stand together to whole fight, that wouldn’t work.
But, Dr. Druid doesn’t have to see people to hit them,with a mind whammy, just for your information.

Originally posted by Devil Lance
The Fight Starts

The second the fight starts X-Man will create illusions scattered around the battle field. Some of these illusions will be of the people on our team, and some will be of various baddies and allies he or his allies have met throughout the years.
1. http://img205.imageshack.us/my.php?...xman1913iw5.jpg Why would you make illusions of people we aren’t fighting? Obviously we shouldn’t worry about them. Also, your illusions won’t work on SA (as in Darth’s scan), and I’ll let Darth deal with Despero.

Originally posted by Devil Lance
With these servings as distractions (and our team already being invisible, and X-Man shielding their presence from telepathy) Now, the only one in your team that will be shielded from telepathy will be Mangog. You didn’t give the other characters this, and since SA, and Absorbing Man have Dr Druid’s telepathy, Nate won’t be shielded either.

Originally posted by Devil Lance
If everything goes right, Mangog will be facing the Adaptoid, Quasar will be facing Absorbing Man and X-Man will be facing Despero.

The rest will be expanded upon in personal posts once the topic is created... I can deal with the lineups. How is teleporting to the battle field going to help you, other than getting the fights you want?

Originally posted by Devil Lance
well seeing how our team is invisble I don't think your startegy wiill work.
First off, Dr Druid doesn’t need to see people to drill them with a mind attack (as in Darth’s scans).

All of our team are telepaths, meaning we attack your mind. I sense a mind, and I attack.

Originally posted by Devil Lance
Your tyeam won't know who to attaack and will waste time destroying the illusions on the battle field. Letting us get in a surprise omni directional attack on your team from quasar who shileds our team from it http://img366.imageshack.us/my.php?image=avengers338047qu.jpg stunning them and knocking them down

allowing our team to get the matchups we want

That attack didn’t even phase Beast, how is it going to surprise our whole team?

Originally posted by Devil Lance
Mangog vs Superadaptoid (Dr Druid)
Dr. D is pretty powerull but his durability isn't that great so Quasar's blast should hurt him alot.
I won’t be stunned (if Black Panther and Beast weren’t, then why should someone made out of Cap’s shield?).
If anything, I should actually laugh that attack off.

Originally posted by Devil Lance
Now since Dr. D is stunned for a while it will give Mangog the time to get a ton of hits in seeing how fast his blows can be

http://www.picsaway.com/view/thor_vol2_526_024_17-71c6c48845.jpg

that barrage of blows pretty much puts Super Adaptoid down for the count given Dr. D's poor durability and Mangog's amazing strength.
After this Mangog goes to help one of his teamates.

OK, SA has Despero’s speed, Mangog may be fast, but he isn’t that fast to land a couple unanswered hits on SA. And Mangog isn’t going to go help his teammates if SA has anything to say about it.

Originally posted by Devil Lance
Quasar vs AM

Quasar has dealt with AM before when he was very inexperienced and still won that fight. Now he's way more experienced so this fight should be easy. He managed to outsmart a being with the IQ of Hulk, great feat. Now, AM is smart, and he won’t be so easily taken down, in fact, he won’t be taken down at all against Quaser.

Originally posted by Devil Lance
First of Quasar teleports Absorb Man's ball and chain. Then he puts AM in a series of 7 or 8 constraints and bubbles like these
http://img359.imageshack.us/my.php?image=quasar033169iy.jpg

http://img480.imageshack.us/my.php?image=quasar38147lm.jpg

http://img480.imageshack.us/my.php?image=quasar38147lm.jpg
What you neglected to mention, was that I don’t have to do anything physical (if you can ever get me in those bubbles with Despero’s speed). My plan was simple, and it still carries:
All I have to do is hit you with a couple mind whammies, and break out of the bubble later (if you get me in, that is). Quaser may be immune to mind attacks, but he sure isn’t immune to mystical attacks. Dr. Druid’s are mystical in nature, so Quaser is screwed, then I break out of the bubble, after Quaser goes down.

Originally posted by Devil Lance
now if AM tries something stupid like becomeing the construct enrgy Quasar will just do to am what he did to the Living Laser vacum him away

http://img177.imageshack.us/my.php?image=quasar60096kc.jpg

http://img177.imageshack.us/my.php?image=quasar60108uj.jpg

so either AM is sttuck in a series o fquantam bubbles and constraints or if he trys to become the construct enrgy either way he'll lose eventually whtehe rit be by quasar him self or with some help from Mangog amd X-ma once there done with ttheir opponents.
Thers no way Am would be able to take Quasar and Mangog at the same time
Now, if it went as you say:
You say that Quaser would absorb him, if I turned into that energy?
Here is a case of the same thing happening to Thor.
http://img489.imageshack.us/img489/8098/thor43618hn4.jpg

Thor, who has complete control over lightning, couldn’t contain him. It overloaded his hammer, that has absorbed stuff comparable to what Quaser has done.

So, in short, no, you won’t absorb me.
After AM has quickly disposed of Quaser, AM will go help one of our other guys.
And if you get me in a bubble, I can easily get out of it, and go back to my beginning form.
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So, to just sum it up.

SA doesn’t have Dr. Druid’s durability like you guys first thought. He has the duribilty of Captain America’s shield, and the ability to also absorb vibrations (or whatever Mangog really throws at him).
Mangog is visible, unlike the others.
Your illusions won’t work.
Even if Quaser and X-Man are invisible, two (Darth will deal with Despero) of our guys can track them.
Quaser won’t be trapping AM in a bubble , and be done with him (if he can even get AM with it in the first place).
Quaser can’t absorb AM.
Quaser can’t beat AM.
I will just mind rape Quaser as soon as he tries anything (I don't even need to fight him). We know Dr. Druid's are mystical, and we know that Quaser don't deal so well with the mystical. Quaser may be immune to telepathy, but with mystical damage added, he goes down... hard!
Your matching up, has done more for us really, then for your guys.

Originally posted by bigbran
I would like to say before I start good luck, and this should be good.
Also none of your scans work for me, in the prep phase (seen them now).

Now, yes Quaser has fought AM before, but when he did, AM was just a stupid brawler. Do you really want your whole team going into battle thinking they are up against a big dummy who just absorbs things, because, if it goes like what you said, then your guys are in for a rude awakening. Well, too late for that.

I don’t really see how this helps him against what he will be trying to do to AM…

Strangely enough, though, if Mangog is fighting SA, then I think we should be good, because of our duribility and speed, since he is made out of the same material as Captain America’s shield. Thor has also taken a lot of blows by Mangog, and that thing doesn't really help to how much you will upgrade him. Plus, has Mangog ever had an established limit?

Our whole team are telepaths, and we don’t look at you, we read your minds. Also, they haven’t done this for anyone else, only on themselves, so shouldn’t only X-Man and Quaser be invisible? So Mangog is still visible. Also, unless your whole team is going to stand together to whole fight, that wouldn’t work.
But, Dr. Druid doesn’t have to see people to hit them,with a mind whammy, just for your information.

Why would you make illusions of people we aren’t fighting? Obviously we shouldn’t worry about them. Also, your illusions won’t work on SA (as in Darth’s scan), and I’ll let Darth deal with Despero.

Now, the only one in your team that will be shielded from telepathy will be Mangog. You didn’t give the other characters this, and since SA, and Absorbing Man have Dr Druid’s telepathy, Nate won’t be shielded either.

I can deal with the lineups. How is teleporting to the battle field going to help you, other than getting the fights you want?


First off, Dr Druid doesn’t need to see people to drill them with a mind attack (as in Darth’s scans).

All of our team are telepaths, meaning we attack your mind. I sense a mind, and I attack.



That attack didn’t even phase Beast, how is it going to surprise our whole team?


I won’t be stunned (if Black Panther and Beast weren’t, then why should someone made out of Cap’s shield?).
If anything, I should actually laugh that attack off.


OK, SA has Despero’s speed, Mangog may be fast, but he isn’t that fast to land a couple unanswered hits on SA. And Mangog isn’t going to go help his teammates if SA has anything to say about it.

He managed to outsmart a being with the IQ of Hulk, great feat. Now, AM is smart, and he won’t be so easily taken down, in fact, he won’t be taken down at all against Quaser.


What you neglected to mention, was that I don’t have to do anything physical (if you can ever get me in those bubbles with Despero’s speed). My plan was simple, and it still carries:
All I have to do is hit you with a couple mind whammies, and break out of the bubble later (if you get me in, that is). Quaser may be immune to mind attacks, but he sure isn’t immune to mystical attacks. Dr. Druid’s are mystical in nature, so Quaser is screwed, then I break out of the bubble, after Quaser goes down.


Now, if it went as you say:
You say that Quaser would absorb him, if I turned into that energy?
Here is a case of the same thing happening to Thor.
http://img489.imageshack.us/img489/8098/thor43618hn4.jpg

Thor, who has complete control over lightning, couldn’t contain him. It overloaded his hammer, that has absorbed stuff comparable to what Quaser has done.

So, in short, no, you won’t absorb me.
After AM has quickly disposed of Quaser, AM will go help one of our other guys.
And if you get me in a bubble, I can easily get out of it, and go back to my beginning form.
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So, to just sum it up.

SA doesn’t have Dr. Druid’s durability like you guys first thought. He has the duribilty of Captain America’s shield, and the ability to also absorb vibrations (or whatever Mangog really throws at him).
Mangog is visible, unlike the others.
Your illusions won’t work.
Even if Quaser and X-Man are invisible, two (Darth will deal with Despero) of our guys can track them.
Quaser won’t be trapping AM in a bubble , and be done with him (if he can even get AM with it in the first place).
Quaser can’t absorb AM.
Quaser can’t beat AM.
I will just mind rape Quaser as soon as he tries anything (I don't even need to fight him). We know Dr. Druid's are mystical, and we know that Quaser don't deal so well with the mystical. Quaser may be immune to telepathy, but with mystical damage added, he goes down... hard!
Your matching up, has done more for us really, then for your guys.
dl post 2
First off mangog is nivisble

seecondly your really overestimating Dr. Druids telepathic abilities theres no way that Dr. druid is even close to Enchantress in power.

And anyways do you have any proof Enchantress was using tp it seems like she was just using as speel to take control of Quasar
Casting a speel is different then Telepathy and thats what your scans were showing Dr. druid was uing an dTeleptahy doesn't effect Quasar in the least as shown here against Overmind
http://img448.imageshack.us/my.php?image=quasar150060ol.jpg
and moon dragon
http://img517.imageshack.us/my.php?image=avengersinfinity02066rc.jpg
http://img517.imageshack.us/my.php?image=avengersinfinity02071to.jpg
again theres no type of telepathy thats works on quasar.
So there goes that strategy
No about my omnidirectional blast that scan shows an inexperienced and tired Quasar using that blast. A full health expreinced much more powerful quasar whos around alot mre durable allies so he wont be araid of using his full power will be able to make a much more potent blast
and remeber Quasar still has a little of the nergy he absorbed during prep so his blast should be even powwerfull like here
http://img386.imageshack.us/my.php?image=quasar160343ry.jpg

now on to Quasar not being able to absorb AM I have to disagree

Quasar absorbs Ego the lving palnet which not even silver surfer was able to do
http://img16.imageshack.us/my.php?image=maximumsecurity3265qp.jpg
http://img16.imageshack.us/my.php?image=maximumsecurity3270yf.jpg
http://img16.imageshack.us/my.php?image=maximumsecurity3284wm.jpg
http://img16.imageshack.us/my.php?image=maximumsecurity3291nq.jpg
http://img16.imageshack.us/my.php?image=maximumsecurity3302ox.jpg
http://img512.imageshack.us/my.php?image=maximumsecurity3352jq.jpg

so if Quasar can absorb Ego im thinking he could absorb AM

and about the bubble it snot just one bubble there are multiple ones and not even the combine dmigth of some very powerful people could break could break just one of them as seen here
http://img480.imageshack.us/my.php?image=quasar38137pe.jpg
http://img480.imageshack.us/my.php?image=quasar38147lm.jpg

and here
http://img510.imageshack.us/my.php?image=quasar032126xd.jpg

so its going to be a very long time before AM gets out of the constrcuts

also I also think your underestimating Quasar's reflexes
heres Quasar stopping Mahkari in the middle of a speed blitz while all ready beaten down from a previous battle
http://img149.imageshack.us/img149/9590/makkarisa8.jpg
http://img371.imageshack.us/my.php?image=quasar120103bd.jpg
http://img99.imageshack.us/img99/6472/makkari1fn2.jpg
http://img149.imageshack.us/img149/2280/makkari2uk1.jpg

and as for mangogs speed his fists were moving so fast that not even asagrdian technology could keep a lock on them. So none of your team is speed blitzing us in the slightest.

so to sum it up
Quasar can absorb AM
Telepathy won't work
Mangog is invisble
you aren't faster than us
AM won'tbe able to breal out of Quasar's shield constrvcuts for a long while
I'll Leave Lucid to deal with the X-man parts

Since it’s pretty slow, here’s some stuff just to back up some of the stuff we’ve said…

Mangog vs. Super Adaptoid
First thing’s first, Super Adaptoid WON’T be stunned by the opening attack from Quasar, because he was braced to absorb incoming energy when the fight began. So all of the energy that managed to reach him was absorbed by him(thus making him even MORE powerful in fact).

Mangog may have shown some speed with his fist in the post provided for him, but that still doesn’t make him a speedster. Super Adaptoid is at this point, as fast as Despero PLUS the amped up EX AM. His mental processing speed is equal to the COMBINED minds of himself(which is highly advanced on its own), the digital computer mind of Ultron, AND the mental processing speed of Despero(who can interrupt a speed blitz from the Flash). Look closely…

http://img186.imageshack.us/img186/960/poweradditionlx6.jpg

See, when AM absorbs off of someone, their ability doesn’t replace his own, it’s added to it. So at this point Super Adaptoid has the COMBINED speed/reflexes of those characters. Not only does that mean that he will be able to inform the other about the illusions and attack X-Man with Dr. Druid’s MYSTIC mental attack, it also means that there’s no way Mangog will have ANY kind of speed advantage when the Super Adaptoid gets around to kicking his ass.

Mangog is admittedly strong, but there’s NO WAY he’s strong enough to manhandle Super Adaptoid when he’s got the strength/durability of Caps shield, is absorbing the force of the punches themselves(making Mangog weaker in fact), and was actually boosted by Quasar at the outset of the match. Caps shield alone has taken shots from Thor, Hulk, and God only knows who/what else without damage. Under the current conditions, Mangog has approximately ZERO chance of hurting him.

Absorbing Man takes a bomb that would have killed THOUSANDS(and Cap theorized tens of thousands) without flinching after touching Cap’s shield…

http://img187.imageshack.us/img187/4299/shieldblastib2.jpg

Seeing as how Super Adaptoid was set to absorb attacks at the outset, Mangog punching at him in that Quantum and TK armor was a REALLY bad idea. Every punch that Mangog manages to land, will weaken those armors as Super Adaptoid absorbs the Quantum and TK energy. So Mangog won’t even have the armor for more than a punch or two. And all of THAT energy will be added to Super Adaptoid’s also, so thanks for adding the power/durability of Quantum Armor and TK Armor to his stats.

As bigbran pointed out, I don’t think that either Quasar or X-Man have ever made someone else invisible the way you described. Light deflection is a pretty complicated thing, and I really can’t see either of them sustaining something like that when they’re all spread out, and fighting different enemies.



Despero vs. X-man

A lot of stock is being put in X-Man’s abilities(especially his concentration) at this point, and I honestly don’t see him living up to what’s expected of him. For right now, he’s supposed to be….

1. Sustaining an uber powerful psi shield on Mangog.

2. Helping keep himself, Mangog, and Quasar invisible(which is a difficult feat in and of itself since he’s doing it by manipulating light with his tk, and not just trying to do it telepathically).

3. Sustain three separate suits of TK armor, when in the issue with him and the Hulk he only created one at a time(and had to concentrate to keep Hulk’s active unless I’m mistaken).

4. Sustain multiple illusions all over the battlefield.

5. Engage Despero in psychic combat.

I’ll credit him with being able divide his concentration enough to pull off 2(maybe even three on a good day) of those feats at the same time, but doing all 5 of them is a SERIOUS stretch, unless some proof comes forth that indicates he’d be able to sustain all of them at once.

With Super Adaptoid indicating X-Man’s position, Despero will have no trouble engaging him telepathic combat. As thin as X-Man’s abilities are being stretched in this fight, there’s no way he’s going have enough in reserve to take down Despero too.(By the way, I checked with batdude and teleporting Despero for a BFR isn’t allowed.)

Despero messing with the minds of everyone in the country…
http://img240.imageshack.us/my.php?image=desperopsychicallyattacph1.jpg
http://img100.imageshack.us/my.php?image=desperopsychicallyattaces4.jpg

And don’t forget the scans I’ve already provided of him overpowering Hal’s will(not to mention the mental defenses of his GL ring), beating Aquaman and Martian Manhunter simultaneously in a TP battle, and Mind controlling Batman, Shazam, Power Girl, Kyle Rayner, Mr Terrific, Dr Fate simultaneously.

So it’s all the power I’ve shown from Despero vs. X-man, who’s abilities are being taxes to the very limits, if he’s able to sustain all those effects simaltaniously in the first place(I really don’t think he can). In my mind, I see Despero as the clear winner in that situation.

Originally posted by darthgoober
Since it’s pretty slow, here’s some stuff just to back up some of the stuff we’ve said…

Mangog vs. Super Adaptoid
First thing’s first, Super Adaptoid WON’T be stunned by the opening attack from Quasar, because he was braced to absorb incoming energy when the fight began. So all of the energy that managed to reach him was absorbed by him(thus making him even MORE powerful in fact).

Mangog may have shown some speed with his fist in the post provided for him, but that still doesn’t make him a speedster. Super Adaptoid is at this point, as fast as Despero PLUS the amped up EX AM. His mental processing speed is equal to the COMBINED minds of himself(which is highly advanced on its own), the digital computer mind of Ultron, AND the mental processing speed of Despero(who can interrupt a speed blitz from the Flash). Look closely…

http://img186.imageshack.us/img186/960/poweradditionlx6.jpg

See, when AM absorbs off of someone, their ability doesn’t replace his own, it’s added to it. So at this point Super Adaptoid has the COMBINED speed/reflexes of those characters. Not only does that mean that he will be able to inform the other about the illusions and attack X-Man with Dr. Druid’s MYSTIC mental attack, it also means that there’s no way Mangog will have ANY kind of speed advantage when the Super Adaptoid gets around to kicking his ass.

Mangog is admittedly strong, but there’s NO WAY he’s strong enough to manhandle Super Adaptoid when he’s got the strength/durability of Caps shield, is absorbing the force of the punches themselves(making Mangog weaker in fact), and was actually boosted by Quasar at the outset of the match. Caps shield alone has taken shots from Thor, Hulk, and God only knows who/what else without damage. Under the current conditions, Mangog has approximately ZERO chance of hurting him.

Absorbing Man takes a bomb that would have killed THOUSANDS(and Cap theorized tens of thousands) without flinching after touching Cap’s shield…

http://img187.imageshack.us/img187/4299/shieldblastib2.jpg

Seeing as how Super Adaptoid was set to absorb attacks at the outset, Mangog punching at him in that Quantum and TK armor was a REALLY bad idea. Every punch that Mangog manages to land, will weaken those armors as Super Adaptoid absorbs the Quantum and TK energy. So Mangog won’t even have the armor for more than a punch or two. And all of THAT energy will be added to Super Adaptoid’s also, so thanks for adding the power/durability of Quantum Armor and TK Armor to his stats.

As bigbran pointed out, I don’t think that either Quasar or X-Man have ever made someone else invisible the way you described. Light deflection is a pretty complicated thing, and I really can’t see either of them sustaining something like that when they’re all spread out, and fighting different enemies.



Despero vs. X-man

A lot of stock is being put in X-Man’s abilities(especially his concentration) at this point, and I honestly don’t see him living up to what’s expected of him. For right now, he’s supposed to be….

1. Sustaining an uber powerful psi shield on Mangog.

2. Helping keep himself, Mangog, and Quasar invisible(which is a difficult feat in and of itself since he’s doing it by manipulating light with his tk, and not just trying to do it telepathically).

3. Sustain three separate suits of TK armor, when in the issue with him and the Hulk he only created one at a time(and had to concentrate to keep Hulk’s active unless I’m mistaken).

4. Sustain multiple illusions all over the battlefield.

5. Engage Despero in psychic combat.

I’ll credit him with being able divide his concentration enough to pull off 2(maybe even three on a good day) of those feats at the same time, but doing all 5 of them is a SERIOUS stretch, unless some proof comes forth that indicates he’d be able to sustain all of them at once.

With Super Adaptoid indicating X-Man’s position, Despero will have no trouble engaging him telepathic combat. As thin as X-Man’s abilities are being stretched in this fight, there’s no way he’s going have enough in reserve to take down Despero too.(By the way, I checked with batdude and teleporting Despero for a BFR isn’t allowed.)

Despero messing with the minds of everyone in the country…
http://img240.imageshack.us/my.php?image=desperopsychicallyattacph1.jpg
http://img100.imageshack.us/my.php?image=desperopsychicallyattaces4.jpg

And don’t forget the scans I’ve already provided of him overpowering Hal’s will(not to mention the mental defenses of his GL ring), beating Aquaman and Martian Manhunter simultaneously in a TP battle, and Mind controlling Batman, Shazam, Power Girl, Kyle Rayner, Mr Terrific, Dr Fate simultaneously.

So it’s all the power I’ve shown from Despero vs. X-man, who’s abilities are being taxes to the very limits, if he’s able to sustain all that at once(I really don’t think he can). In my mind, I see Despero as the clear winner in that situation.
DL post 3
It was a suprise attack he'd be too surpised by the shock of the opening attack he wouldn't be reayd for an attack from behind .He won't be absorbing anyting.


I'll let Lucid explain x-man
except to say Mangogs Telepathic blocks were put in before the match started so they shouldn't be starining on anyone

Yeah Despero was able to get pa th psi defences of GL but he wasn't able to get in the head of Superman thats PIS.

I'd Just like to point out that all of those heroes were under the influence of the Seven deadly sins so they were much weaker willed then they usually would be.

Lastly I don't really think you want to use that Despero vs MM/ Aquaman feat seeing it shows that Despero's durability isn't that great
http://www.comicboards.com/dcb/attachments/051018011425/Aquaman%20vs%20Despero%20001.jpg
http://www.comicboards.com/dcb/attachments/051018011425/Aquaman%20vs%20Despero%20002.jpg
http://www.comicboards.com/dcb/attachments/051018011425/Aquaman%20vs%20Despero%20003.jpg
http://www.comicboards.com/dcb/attachments/051018011425/Aquaman%20vs%20Despero%20004.jpg
If shark bites make despero bleed her is going to be extremely messed up by Quasars opening blast
which will be akin to this blast
http://img386.imageshack.us/my.php?image=quasar160343ry.jpg
which leave willleave Despero vulnerable to an A**kicking from X-man which Lucid will deal with
now while SA is able to see past illusions hthe other characters on your team aren't so for the brief moments before SA is able to tell them that the illusions arne't real they will be startled enough for them to be left open for Quasra's attack and they wil not be able to barce them selves.

Now on to Mangog vs SA
Mangog is not limited to close range attacks he also can fire enrgy blasts so we don't have to worry about SA absorbingMangog's tk armor or Quantam Armor.

So to sum evrything up
1. The illusins will distract their team enough that they won't be able to brace themselves for our opening attack.
2. Despero has bhad his skin punctured and has bled for shark bites so our opening attack should mess him up very badly. leaving him easy pickings for X-man which Lucid will explain.
3. Mangog ha slong range enryg blasts so SA will not be absorbing any of his armor.
4. Mangog's tp block wer eput on during prep so they won't straina nyone.

DL, the scans of the Despero vs. Aqua/MM fight aren't working.

Originally posted by DigiMark007
DL, the scans of the Despero vs. Aqua/MM fight aren't working.

Unoffcial post
oops heres the link to the page that has the scans
the aquaman vs despero fight scans are under aquaman despero
http://www.comicboards.com/dcb/view.php?trd=051018011425

Post #2 - Response to Devil Lance.
(damn character limits)
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OK, now where is your proof that Mangog is invisible?
I gave you why he won't be, but I am supposed to take your word that he will be invisible?
OK, here again is why he won't be:

X-Man hasn't demonstrated that he can do that for anyone else. As far as we know from those scans, is that his power was continually working for him to be like that.

And, he can indeed turn Mangog invisible, but for it to keep working, he would need to be really close, or hold hands with X-Man for the whole time.

X-Man distorts the light around himself, not others.

Now, I haven't seen proof that Quaser can do it, but it would be OK if he could. Doesn't matter either way.

Also, how are they going to distort the light around the shields you put up?

So, Mangog is visible, and he is vunerable.
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I don't need to prove that he is as powerful as her (even though he is most likely). Quaser didn't say anything about how powerful the magic had to be, he said he was useless against magic.

http://img179.imageshack.us/img179/6450/magicvulnerability2qc2.jpg
Now, that Quaser's useless against magic, we know that AM will be taking him out. What is Dr. Druid's type of attacks, you ask?

http://img150.imageshack.us/img150/103/mindfreezedetailedjh6.jpg
Yes, magic (you also overlooked this part in the prep phase).

Also, my guy will be continually hitting him, not just once, until he goes down. Quaser won't be taking too many magic mind blasts, until he goes down.
Even if he takes the first one I will be dishing out, I will hit him again, and again, until he taste dirt.
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We know he can take telepathy.
Those scans were irrelevent.
But, I find it interesting how his Quantum Bands project a psi-block.
Those same things can't take magic.
So, when I cream him with my telepathy, those psi-blocks will be hindered non-existing, and I won't just be hitting him with magic, I will be hitting him with the full force of my attack too.
So, he should be going down in the first attack, but if by some miracle he stands, he is gone in the next one.
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You also forget that two of the characters I can use (Darth will deal with Despero), are made out of Cap's shield material. His shield absorbs attacks through it's vibranium.
His omni-attack, will at best, get their attention.
Even if it gets more than that, your whole strategy behind it was to put Mangog in a position to hammer on SA (which I will get to later), nothing really more with it. It won't hurt our guys like you think, and you also forgot that as soon as the battle started, you guys were busy making illusions, and then you were going to suprise us with an omni-blast, when we were fighting those illusions (in which we already disproved them working against us).
So, how are we not going to be ready for that omni-blast again?
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OK, I know Quaser has absorbed him, but you are forgetting that Thor has also absorbed a simular thing (a blast that would destroy a 5th of the universe to be exact). While Thor was able to do that, he was still overloaded by his own energy that came out of the hammer.

Also I gave Quaser absorbing AM as a hypothical situation, in which I turned into your energy, and tried to escape. You said you would absorb me (in which I disproved).
You forgot that as soon as you put me in a bubble (which is still highly unlikely), I would be mindraping you. As soon as you come near AM (or when you try that suprise omni-blast that won't work), you will be attacked mentally.
So, Quaser goes down, and I still have counters to your other attacks, if they somehow went that way.
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Funny, I won't be trying to break the bubble with brute strength, I'm not stupid.
If I turn into that bubbles properties, I can easily phase through it.
I will only break out of it (if you get me in it), after I dispose of Quaser, which won't take long.
Also, do Quaser's bubbles last after he gets KOed? (because then I wouldn't even have to use a second or two of my time)
Either way though, I'm not staying in a bubble, if you get me in it.
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What do your reflexes have to do with getting attacked mentally?
Also, when I'm using my speed, I won't have my back turned agaisnt you, and I won't be running around you. So, those scans, still don't prove your getting me in a bubble.

Unless your talking about a bubble, in which it doesn't matter if you get me in a bubble or not.
Also, I have Despero's speed to help protect me against him getting me in a bubble. I'm not going to be going fast the entire time, just to avoid your attacks.

Plus, you forgot that I would attack you as soon as you were matched up against me, so that would mean, that while you were trying to do your omni-blast (bad move on your part), I would hit you hard with a magic mental attack.
So, you most likely, won't even get the chance to try to get me in a bubble. But, if you do, I will avoid it. But if it does hit me, I won't care.

But again, it doesn't matter if it works or not, because Quaser is still going down. Then it is simply a matter of getting out (if you get me in it), and going to help one of my teammates.
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Yes, his FISTS were moving fast, not his BODY. He has to get close to get the chance to pummel on SA.

It won't work. The omni-blast is to get Mangog in the position to hammer on SA, who is still made out of Cap's shield.
At first you thought we were only as durible as Dr. Druid, in which you probably would have beat SA good, but no, he is as durible as Cap's shield, so it doesn't matter if it works or not. Your not putting him down like Thor went down in those scans.
Also, in those scans, Mangog cheap shotted Thor (it's not the greatest speed feat in which this happened). You won't get the same chance that Mangog had on Thor (mostly due to the omni-blast not working out as planned). But even if you did, Cap's shield is way more durible than just Thor.

So since, the omni-blast won't be stunning our characters like you though, Mangog won't be in the position that he got on Thor.
Even if it did, my guy is more than durible enough to take a few.

Also, since I have Despero's speed, Mangog will also have another way of not landing those hits.
His fists may be fast against an unsuspecting fighter, but he still isn't hitting our guy.

And since it will probably end up in a stalemate, it's all a matter of AM coming out to double team Mangog (since Darth will most likely not need help).

Mangog goes down, and if Darth's guy is still fighting X-Man (probably not), we will triple-team X-Man, and we win.
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Originally posted by Devil Lance
Now on to Mangog vs SA
Mangog is not limited to close range attacks he also can fire enrgy blasts so we don't have to worry about SA absorbingMangog's tk armor or Quantam Armor. Except that you said that Mangog would be pounding on SA.
Are you changing strategy?

Also, Mangog is a complete physical combatant.
He may have some lang range attacks, but he isn't going to pass up hitting his attacker.

So basically, now you want Mangog to go out of character and back away to fire long range attacks, cause that is the only way he is avoiding getting his amour absorbed.

Those won't work either, and after AM is done with Quaser, he is in a world of hurting.
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Originally posted by Devil Lance
It was a suprise attack he'd be too surpised by the shock of the opening attack he wouldn't be reayd for an attack from behind . When in the opening post, did you guys say that you were attacking us from behind?
You said you would teleport, but I don't remember from behind.
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So:

Quaser can't absorb AM (irrelevent, since I won't give him the chance to try).

AM's mind attacks are more than enough to take out Quaser.

Mangog ISN'T invisible unless we take your word for it... Mangog is right out there in the open the whole time. Unless you can somehow prove otherwise.

Why would it matter if we were faster than you, we never claimed to be. Just claimed to avoid a bubble (doesn't matter if it lands, I'm still taking out Quaser), or avoid Mangog (doesn't matter if you land, you aren't getting the chance to attack us like you said, and if you do, SA is more durible than Thor by a long shot). But, we might just very well be faster than you. Still doesn't really matter either way though.

No, no, no, if they do land, after I take out Quaser, I can break out of them in seconds. And, you think I will just use physical attacks, but I have other ways (as I said).
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So, for my part (I already debunked what you said):

I will attack Quaser as soon as he comes near to pull off something (omni-blast), which should take him down. But if not, another mind attack will take him down for sure.

The omni-blast won't be as effective as you guys first thought. Two of our guys are made out of Cap's shield (I'll let Darth deal with Depsero).
Which will severely cut the effectiveness of you attack.

SA won't be suprised from the omni-blast. And after it, he will avoid Mangog's attack. Or if they land, SA is durible enough to take it.
Plus, Mangog's fists are only fast, not his whole body, so that will also go against it, unless SA is a foot away from him (but I got speed on my side too).

Quaser won't trap AM in a bubble. Right after (or before) the omni-blast he also has to deal with AM's magic based telepathy. Plus, he also has to deal with AM's speed. So he won't be getting him in it.
But like I said before, it doesn't matter if he does or not, so that is useless.

So, after that, AM will go double team Mangog. After we take out Mangog, it could quite possibly be a triple team on X-Man.
Then we take it.

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dl post 4

did you look at any of previous posts

A. AM is nowehre near as fast as Quasar
B. Dr Druids "telepathic" powers are not magic based as they were there even before he learned magic they were just latent untill Tibetan lama unlocked them
http://www.marveldirectory.com/individuals/d/drdruid.htm
So DR. Druiods telepathic powers ra enot derived from magic making his tgp attacks useless against Quasar.
Anways Enchnatress is not a telepath and just used a mind control spell on Quasra which he was able to snap himself out of in a short time since his quantam bands have saftety measures against magical attacks aswell.
You have no proof that
A. Dr. Druids telpathy is magical in nature or
B. His power is anywhere near the power of Enchantress whose "Spell" Quasar was able to breal free from.
C. Enchantress was using magical tp against Quasr which she wasn't she was just using a speel which is alot different from Dr. Druids non magical tp

So there goers that startegy down the drain.
and Quasar can absorb AM
Ego the Living Planet> AM
not to mention the fact that Quasar absorbs stars in seconds
http://img386.imageshack.us/my.php?image=quasar160332nx.jpg

so your telepathy won't work
Quasar can bsorb AM
and you will get hit by my teams surpise attack

Originally posted by Devil Lance
DL post 3
It was a suprise attack he'd be too surpised by the shock of the opening attack he wouldn't be reayd for an attack from behind .He won't be absorbing anyting.
You never said that you were teleporting behind us(for that matter why would you, since you where counting on being invisible and distracting us with illusions, I think someone’s trying to pull something). Anyway it doesn’t matter, Super Adaptoid(and EX AM for that matter) was braced to absorb incoming attacks, that means that he automatically absorbed any energy from Quasar’s omni blast that managed to reach him(and since Quasar specifically teleported by EX AM who was also in absorption mode, not much of it will).



Originally posted by Devil Lance
I'll let Lucid explain x-man
except to say Mangogs Telepathic blocks were put in before the match started so they shouldn't be starining on anyone .
Do you have a single instance of him actually being able to sustain a psi shield on another person without consciously sustaining it, or while he himself is involved in combat?


Originally posted by Devil Lance
Yeah Despero was able to get pa th psi defences of GL but he wasn't able to get in the head of Superman thats PIS.
What can I say, it’s one of the perks of being DC’s cash cow(for Supes I mean). Who else can you think of that resisted? Cause I have instances of GL, Batman, Aquaman, Martian Manhunter, Shazam,Power Girl,Kyle Rayner,Mr Terrific, and Dr Fate succoming to Despero. Plus an instance of his messing with the minds of the whole damn country.



Originally posted by Devil Lance
]I'd Just like to point out that all of those heroes were under the influence of the Seven deadly sins so they were much weaker willed then they usually would be..
What, and you don’t think X-Man will be in similar shape even with all the crap you guys have him trying to do(which no one has actually proved he could pull off at the same time yet).


Originally posted by Devil Lance
]Lastly I don't really think you want to use that Despero vs MM/ Aquaman feat seeing it shows that Despero's durability isn't that great
http://www.comicboards.com/dcb/attachments/051018011425/Aquaman%20vs%20Despero%20001.jpg
http://www.comicboards.com/dcb/attachments/051018011425/Aquaman%20vs%20Despero%20002.jpg
http://www.comicboards.com/dcb/attachments/051018011425/Aquaman%20vs%20Despero%20003.jpg
http://www.comicboards.com/dcb/attachments/051018011425/Aquaman%20vs%20Despero%20004.jpg
If shark bites make despero bleed her is going to be extremely messed up by Quasars opening blast
which will be akin to this blast
http://img386.imageshack.us/my.php?image=quasar160343ry.jpg
which leave willleave Despero vulnerable to an A**kicking from X-man which Lucid will deal with
now while SA is able to see past illusions hthe other characters on your team aren't so for the brief moments before SA is able to tell them that the illusions arne't real they will be startled enough for them to be left open for Quasra's attack and they wil not be able to barce them selves. .
Except that the shark incident is countered by showings of durability like this…

http://img226.imageshack.us/my.php?...erovsjlaiw6.jpg
http://img183.imageshack.us/my.php?...herockofgm2.jpg
http://img74.imageshack.us/my.php?i...herockofzp0.jpg
http://img166.imageshack.us/img166/3148/glblastnt3.jpg

You want to bring up PIS for Hal, and then show a scan of a shark hurting someone that withstood all that .
(Also, notice that in that last scan, Despero took a GL blast that was probably very similar to Quasar’s without to much trouble. Besides, most of Quasar’s attack was absorbed by bigbran since he specifically teleported close to EX AM.) And while Super Adaptoid may be the only one on our team that’s immune to illusions, the fact that he immediately relayed that info to Despero and EX AM means that they know the illusions are nothing to worry about. You keep forgetting that while your teams travel speed may be faster than ours, your teams reactionary speed is far lower. Quasar may have light speed movement capabilities, but to my knowledge he’s never shown reflexes at that level. X-Man is the fastest you guys have in the way of reflexes because he supposedly moves and reacts at the speed of thought. However, Super Adaptoid thinks at the combined speed of TWO super computers(Ultron and himself) PLUS the speed of Despero(interrupted Flash’s speed blitz, nuff said). So it would be child's play for Super Adaptoid to relay the info about the illusions right as they appeared. And since his reactions and thought speed is also quite a bit higher than the rest of our team, he relayed that info before they really had a chance to be surprised.



Originally posted by Devil Lance
]Now on to Mangog vs SA
Mangog is not limited to close range attacks he also can fire enrgy blasts so we don't have to worry about SA absorbingMangog's tk armor or Quantam Armor.

Ok now correct me if I’m wrong here, but wasn’t your exact plan for Mangog something like this…

Originally posted by Devil Lance
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Now since Dr. D is stunned for a while it will give Mangog the time to get a ton of hits in seeing how fast his blows can be

http://www.picsaway.com/view/thor_v...-71c6c48845.jpg

that barrage of blows pretty much puts Super Adaptoid down for the count given Dr. D's poor durability and Mangog's amazing strength.
After this Mangog goes to help one of his teamates.

What that means is that you pretty much had Mangog teleport in, and start swinging. You of course were unaware at the time that Mangog’s Quantum and TK armor would actually make Super Adaptoid more powerful, but unfortunately that’s exactly what happened.


Originally posted by Devil Lance
]So to sum evrything up
1. The illusins will distract their team enough that they won't be able to brace themselves for our opening attack.
Wrong, Super Adaptoid let everyone know as soon as you guys arrived.


Originally posted by Devil Lance
]2. Despero has bhad his skin punctured and has bled for shark bites so our opening attack should mess him up very badly. leaving him easy pickings for X-man which Lucid will explain.
Wrong, bigbran absorbed most of it, and what was left would have no effect on someone who could withstand simultaneous shots from Supes and company, being hit with the Rock of Eternity, and a blast from a pissed off Green Lantern

Originally posted by Devil Lance
]3. Mangog ha slong range enryg blasts so SA will not be absorbing any of his armor.
You never mentioned long range blast for him initially, you had him come in swinging. So his armor was absorbed before he even knew what was going on.

Originally posted by Devil Lance
]4. Mangog's tp block wer eput on during prep so they won't straina nyone.

Once again, do you have a single instance of him actually being able to sustain a psi shield on another person without consciously sustaining it, or while he himself is involved in combat? Cause sustained telepathic effects strains just about everyone that I’m aware off.

So basically...
1. Despero and Super Adaptoid are fine after Quasar's initial attack. And are fully capable of taking the fight back to you.(Cause most of the energy was absorbed by bigbran or Super Adaptoid.)

2. The illusions are worthless.(Because Super Adaptoid relayed the info on them pretty much the moment they appeared.)

3. Mangog's armor is gone and his strength weakens with each shot he lands. While Super Adaptoid gets stronger all the time.(Because you had him come in swinging before you knew any better.)

4. X-Man's abilities are WAY to overtaxed to withstand an assault from Despero.(Because of the numerous sustained effects you have him trying to accomplish).

Unofficial

I was just informed that three of my links showing Despero's durability aren't working, so here they are....

http://img183.imageshack.us/my.php?image=desperoliftingtherockofgm2.jpg
http://img74.imageshack.us/my.php?image=desperoliftingtherockofzp0.jpg

http://img226.imageshack.us/my.php?image=desperovsjlaiw6.jpg

The judges for this match are:

Accel
Badabing
Galan007
marvelprince

The Others win.

Originally posted by LORDSIDIOUS01
The Others win.

It'd be appreciated if you refrained from the spam.

Thanks.

So, before I respond, I guess all the other points still stand that you haven't responded to without a debate right? OK good.
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Bigbran post #3.

Originally posted by Devil Lance
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dl post 4

did you look at any of previous posts Ya, I looked over EVERYTHING.
But I could ask you the same thing. The part in which Druid pawned the Avengers (I'll get into that later)?

Originally posted by Devil Lance
A. AM is nowehre near as fast as Quasar Where exactly did I claim this? Unless you are talking about when I said our team was probably faster, in which it mattered not, in which we were or not. But the only speedster on your team is Quaser. And he is busy:

Shooting a big omni-blast.
And trying to put me in a bubble.
In which, why would your speed matter anyway?

The rest of your team is slow, and Quaser can't substain your whole team when he gets his mind taken out (in which I will get to later/a long time ago).

Also I said his reflexes/speed were there to avoid his attacks. I never claimed AM to be faster than Quaser. He is fast enough however to avoid attacks.
I also said that I wouldn't be running around you, or running away (in the scan you posted). Also why would this be relevent anyway, since we never claimed "speedblitz" or anything of the sorts.

So, our guys are fast enough to avoid attacks (and the rest of our team is probably way faster than the rest of your team, but hey...).
Quaser is basically your only speedster, and I won't be trying to match his speed, just avoid his attacks (think along the lines of Spider-Man).

Originally posted by Devil Lance
B. Dr Druids "telepathic" powers are not magic based as they were there even before he learned magic they were just latent untill Tibetan lama unlocked them
http://www.marveldirectory.com/individuals/d/drdruid.htm Did you ever think that he could have added his magic to his telepathy (irrelevent since I will get into the full thing in a little bit). Anyway, based off a bio right? Because we all know the bio's just block out all the comic evidence of things happening.

Also that link didn't work, but I did see it.

Originally posted by Devil Lance
So DR. Druiods telepathic powers ra enot derived from magic making his tgp attacks useless against Quasar.
Oh? (I don't know how well the judges will like me reposting)
http://img156.imageshack.us/img156/8279/mindfreezemp2.jpg
http://img150.imageshack.us/img150/103/mindfreezedetailedjh6.jpg


Hell, let's say that you are indeed right for a minute. The power he showed there was magic (a magic mind attack... something that I have been using to take out Quaser this whole time). Quaser is useless to magic. So... Quaser's mind still gets attacked by magic, and Quaser still goes down... hard.

But yet again I have a back up. Yes inexperienced, yes, lots of bubbles.
But AM is smarter, and he is also made of Cap's shield, harder than adamantium.
http://img169.imageshack.us/img169/6932/quasar05015yk2.jpg

Of course though, this is if by someway that the telepathy doesn't work.

So, I will still stick with my strategy and take you out by mind.

Originally posted by Devil Lance
Anways Enchnatress is not a telepath and just used a mind control spell on Quasra which he was able to snap himself out of in a short time since his quantam bands have saftety measures against magical attacks aswell. Ya, and how long did those safety measures take?
Also, it also seemed to weaken him quite when this kicked in. So, if by some miracle that you can stop my magic (not possible), Quaser will also be weakened or stunned... just enough time for me to take him to the cleaners.

So you see, either way you slice it, Quaser is going down.

Originally posted by Devil Lance
You have no proof that
A. Dr. Druids telpathy is magical in nature or Oh but I do.
It is all a matter of looking. Or if you can't use this as a response, it is littered all over this post.

Originally posted by Devil Lance
B. His power is anywhere near the power of Enchantress whose "Spell" Quasar was able to breal free from. Oh, and this matters?
(I think this is the third time this scan was used, and hopefully the last)
http://img179.imageshack.us/img179/6450/magicvulnerability2qc2.jpg

Quaser is useless against magic, not to a certain degree, but useless!
So, he was the wrong one for you guys to put against AM don't you think?

Also, I know that it took a full battle in which Quaser had the lower hand against Thor, for the spell to wear off. It also wore off, from a little help from Thor hitting him.

Quaser never broke free right away, and he doesn't have the luxury of a couple comics for AM's mind attacks to take you out. Also, I won't be continually affecting you. Think of it, as Mike Tyson hitting a normal (unworked out) 20 year old.
One attack equals Quaser either going down, or severely hurt.
Two attacks equals Quaser going down.

So Quaser as he is useless to magic, will be hit with magic and telepathy (I already pointed out in an earlier post).

Originally posted by Devil Lance
C. Enchantress was using magical tp against Quasr which she wasn't she was just using a speel which is alot different from Dr. Druids non magical tp Ya, and that is the only reason Quaser was able to break free. From it's long lasting effects. Like I said though, my attacks are going to hit you hard and fast.
You also made a mistake:
Dr. Druid's magical TP.

Originally posted by Devil Lance
So there goers that startegy down the drain. Sure, let's go with that...

Originally posted by Devil Lance
and Quasar can absorb AM
Ego the Living Planet> AM
not to mention the fact that Quasar absorbs stars in seconds
http://img386.imageshack.us/my.php?image=quasar160332nx.jpg Do I need to explain it again?
Thor has absorbed a blast that would destroy a 5th of the universe. Thor wasn't able to absorb AM.

Also that was a hypothical situation, in which I would turn into Quaser's constructs. Or in other words, I played into your hands.
But that wouldn't work.

I also said I wasn't dumb enough to do that (since I have my magic working at Quaser). But that was a just in case.
I will however use that energy AFTER I take out Quaser to get out of the bubble (That I most likely will not be getting into).

Originally posted by Devil Lance
so your telepathy won't work
Quasar can bsorb AM
and you will get hit by my teams surpise attack Yes, it will work. I already explained earlier. But, Quaser is useless to magic. My attacks are magic. His mind attacks will take out Quaser.

You can't absorb AM, and it wouldn't matter if you could (as I already pointed out).

You mean the suprise attack that just came in, about two posts, ago, that also goes against your first strategy?
Anyway... this suprise attack won't affect our guys. Since as I pointed out earlier, that two of us are made of Cap's shield (Darth will deal with Despero). You will again, at best, get our attention. Then it's all downhill from there.
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I'm still sticking strong with my strategy though.

I will mindrape Quaser when he uses his attack (I guess he got switched to attacking from behind now). So after that attack is futile, I will hit you hard.

I also made every way that you said it would play out backfire. That just proves I have so many other options, than my main one that I am sticking with.

I don't even know if I need to get into detail about Mangog/SA, since I explained it good the last post, but... Mangog won't be taking him down basically. And every time he attacks, he will be getting energy sapped.

Then from there, it is all about overwhelming the rest in our number advantage.

Sorry it's taken me so long to reply everyone. But, i'm here now...

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Ok, Lucid Post #2.
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Originally posted by darthgoober
Who says that Dr. Druid has to see someone, or be up close to use his powers?

(Uses long range mental powers, without seeing the target)
http://img208.imageshack.us/img208/6372/longrangent6.jpg
http://img352.imageshack.us/img352/41/longrange2eu1.jpg
See? Not only did he not have to see Captain Marvel, when he missed it actually followed after her.(And notice that it just BARELY missed her. Since you never said anything about flying around at light speed, X-Man gets hit.) The problem here is, X-Man is shielding his presence from other psionics. Just like Exodus couldn't sense him (in a scan i posted in my #1 post), something like what Druid did there isn't going to sense X-Man either.

Originally posted by darthgoober
Well the illusions are useless against Super Adaptoid, "Useless"? Well that depends on how you look at it. As you so kindly pointed out...

Originally posted by darthgoober
Well the way I see it, as soon as those illusions start flying around, Super Adaptoid notices, and let’s EX AM and Despero know telepathically and shows them the illusion’s the same way Your team is distracted. The illussions have served their purpose. Maybe not as long as i'd hoped, but even a little is enough. Quasar Found your energy signatures when X-Man was preparing the illusions. The second the illusions manifest, we're teleporting to your position. So now wile SA is bringing your team up to date on the illusions, we've arrived.

Originally posted by darthgoober
Despero would just teleport back(he teleports in the last panel)...
http://img101.imageshack.us/img101/2727/teleportingbn1.jpg

It's either not allowed, or I teleport back. You don't "teleport back". You've been merged with solid ground. You're dead.

Originally posted by darthgoober
Not when all he's doing is using physical attacks against someone who's as durable as Cap's shield, and is able to absorb the force of every punch that connects(which also weakens Mangog, by the way). That does cause a problem, and obviously Mangog's not going to be verty effective. He won't be losing power though. He'll keep pounding away, and he could probably keep doing so infinitely. Whatever happens, Mangog will have kept SA busy enough for X-Man (who's dealt with Desper) to come in and help.

Originally posted by darthgoober
Then Super Adaptoid attacks X-Man with Dr. Druid’s mental abilities Druid will not know where X-Man is, as i've already pointed out.

Originally posted by darthgoober
before Mangog can even attack(unless you have proof that Mangog is that much faster than someone who can interrupt a blitz from Flash). He's faster to put a beating on Thor so fast and ferocious that the Recorder couldn't tally the blows.

Originally posted by darthgoober
While Super Adaptoid may not be able to take down X-Man in a psychic battle alone Especially when he can't find him.

Originally posted by darthgoober
at the very least it will indicate his position to Despero(who then attacks X-Man along with the Super Adaptoid), which puts X-Man down for the count. Impossible to do when you're merged with solid ground.

Originally posted by bigbran
Our whole team are telepaths, and we don’t look at you, we read your minds. Which are shielded from your presence.

Originally posted by bigbran
Why would you make illusions of people we aren’t fighting? Anything to throw you off.

Originally posted by bigbran
Now, the only one in your team that will be shielded from telepathy will be Mangog. You didn’t give the other characters this, You're kidding right? You think X-Man and Quasar aren't naturally shielded?

Originally posted by bigbran
and since SA, and Absorbing Man have Dr Druid’s telepathy, Nate won’t be shielded either. He is.

Originally posted by bigbran
I can deal with the lineups. How is teleporting to the battle field going to help you, other than getting the fights you want? Well, the second we land (with you not even knowing we're there), Despero is taken out. And SA and AM are both blindsided.

Originally posted by bigbran
First off, Dr Druid doesn’t need to see people to drill them with a mind attack (as in Darth’s scans).

All of our team are telepaths, meaning we attack your mind. I sense a mind, and I attack. Therein lies the problem. Our presences are shielded. You won't be sensing any minds.

Originally posted by bigbran
OK, SA has Despero’s speed, Mangog may be fast, but he isn’t that fast to land a couple unanswered hits on SA. And Mangog isn’t going to go help his teammates if SA has anything to say about it. I'd like to see how SA is going to affect an immensely powered up Mangog wrapped in Quantum armour. All of Asgard wasn't able to stop Mangog, he just waltzed right through everything they had to offer.

Originally posted by bigbran
Your illusions won’t work.They worked enough.

Originally posted by bigbran
Even if Quaser and X-Man are invisible, two (Darth will deal with Despero) of our guys can track them. No, they can't. Like i've said, our presences are shielded.


Originally posted by darthgoober
1. Sustaining an uber powerful psi shield on Mangog. He imbued the Hulk with armour, and then proceeded to spend his time telekintically re-building a large amount of wreckage. Sustaing Hulk's armour had no effect whatsoever on X-Man (and even if he wasn't able to maintain Mangog's armour, Mangog still has his natural durability and Quantum armour. I can't think of anything you guys can to do to Mangog physically that would cause him much trouble. He is insanely durable.

Originally posted by darthgoober
2. Helping keep himself, Mangog, and Quasar invisible(which is a difficult feat in and of itself since he’s doing it by manipulating light with his tk, and not just trying to do it telepathically). He's not keeping Quasar invisible, Quasar's doing that himself. Regardless he's been doing the invisibilty tick since he was just a young rookie with barely any control over his powers. It's never strained him.

Originally posted by darthgoober
3. Sustain three separate suits of TK armor, when in the issue with him and the Hulk he only created one at a time(and had to concentrate to keep Hulk’s active unless I’m mistaken). You are mistaken. He didn't have to concentrate to maintain Hulks. And let's remember, this is Shaman X-Man. He's reached his full potenital and is a great deal more powerful and skilled than X-Man was in the issue we're talking about.

Originally posted by darthgoober
4. Sustain multiple illusions all over the battlefield. You guys saw through them pretty fast, and they served their purpose long enough for X-Man to take out Despero. X-Man won't need the illusions much longer.

Originally posted by darthgoober
5. Engage Despero in psychic combat. Not happening because Despero is merged with solid ground.

Originally posted by darthgoober
With Super Adaptoid indicating X-Man’s position, blah blah shielded presence blah blah.



That's all i can manage at the moment, but i'll try and be more active in the last couple of days...

Originally posted by Lucid Lui
Sorry it's taken me so long to reply everyone. But, i'm here now...

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Ok, Lucid Post #2.
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The problem here is, X-Man is shielding his presence from other psionics. Just like Exodus couldn't sense him (in a scan i posted in my #1 post), something like what Druid did there isn't going to sense X-Man either.
I really don't know what your reading in those scans, because I saw no indication that Dr. Druid sensed Captain Marvel at all. If he didn't need to sense her, then he won't need to sense X-Man.


Originally posted by Lucid Lui
"Useless"? Well that depends on how you look at it. As you so kindly pointed out...

Your team is distracted. The illussions have served their purpose. Maybe not as long as i'd hoped, but even a little is enough. Quasar Found your energy signatures when X-Man was preparing the illusions. The second the illusions manifest, we're teleporting to your position. So now wile SA is bringing your team up to date on the illusions, we've arrived....

No because you are again over looking the fact that Super Adaptiod has a FAR greater reactionary speed than anyone on your team. He has the combined mental speed of two super computers, and a guy that can tag Flash fairly frequently. He would register the illusions and transmit the info about them before your team could actually attack. X-Man has faster reflexes than anyone on your team(though Quasar has a faster travel speed), and he simply moves/reacts at the speed of thought.

2 Super Computers+Despero > Speed of thought.

AM also has the mind of a super computer plus mental speed of Despero. So he'll be able to respond to Super Adaptoid within two seconds(tops). Your guys won't be able to get off an actual attack before my guys are going to be fully aware of the illusions, so we won't be distracted by them.

Originally posted by Lucid Lui
You don't "teleport back". You've been merged with solid ground. You're dead....
Nope I checked with batdude, that kind of teleportaion isn't allowed in this tourney. And the time you wasted trying just lends more credit to my team being ready to counter.

Originally posted by Lucid Lui
That does cause a problem, and obviously Mangog's not going to be verty effective. He won't be losing power though. He'll keep pounding away, and he could probably keep doing so infinitely. Whatever happens, Mangog will have kept SA busy enough for X-Man (who's dealt with Desper) to come in and help....
Wrong. Mangog WILL be losing power(if he manages to get in a hit) because Super Adaptoid will be absorbing his strength, and using it to grow stronger. For that matter, he can also absorb Mangog's speed at the same time, and then add YOUR speed to his also.

Originally posted by Lucid Lui
Druid will not know where X-Man is, as i've already pointed out....
He doesn't have to, as I've pointed out.

Originally posted by Lucid Lui
He's faster to put a beating on Thor so fast and ferocious that the Recorder couldn't tally the blows....
So a a character who's mind is as fast as a supercomputer couldn't tally the blows, big deal. Now he's swinging at a guy who's mind is as fast as TWO super computers, in addition to someone who can tag Flash consistently.

Originally posted by Lucid Lui
Especially when he can't find him....
The attack itself will find him, didn't you read the scan?

Originally posted by Lucid Lui
Impossible to do when you're merged with solid ground....
Not allowed, but thanks for wasting your time trying.

Anyway, I'll let bigbran respond to your comments to him and just skip forward to mine.


Originally posted by Lucid Lui
He imbued the Hulk with armour, and then proceeded to spend his time telekintically re-building a large amount of wreckage. Sustaing Hulk's armour had no effect whatsoever on X-Man (and even if he wasn't able to maintain Mangog's armour, Mangog still has his natural durability and Quantum armour. I can't think of anything you guys can to do to Mangog physically that would cause him much trouble. He is insanely durable....
Wait, did he PROCEED to re building the wreckage, or did he do that while Hulk was wearing the armor? And Super Adaptoid is more than powerful enough to hurt Mangog at this point. You see, now he's got the strength/durability of Cap's shield, power from Quasar's omni blast, the energy from your Quantum Armor, the energy from your TK armor, and the strength you had Mangog feed him by attacking him physically. Remember, Mangog's strength got added to the strength Super Adaptoid already had when you where foolish enough to have Mangog attack him physically. So Super Adaptoid's fine, Mangog on the other hand is pretty much screwed.


Originally posted by Lucid Lui
He's not keeping Quasar invisible, Quasar's doing that himself. Regardless he's been doing the invisibilty tick since he was just a young rookie with barely any control over his powers. It's never strained him....
Wait I thought he didn't do it with tk until later(though I may be wrong about that)? Anyway, I'm not really contesting his ability to do anything on the list, I'm contesting his ability to do all of them at once.

Originally posted by Lucid Lui
You are mistaken. He didn't have to concentrate to maintain Hulks. And let's remember, this is Shaman X-Man. He's reached his full potenital and is a great deal more powerful and skilled than X-Man was in the issue we're talking about....
Which means what exactly? Now your speculating that now he'll be able to do 5 separate things, none of which he's ever shown the ability to do simultaneously before. I know he's more powerful at this stage, but I still think your putting him to high up on the scale of power. Like I said, I'd be willing to believe that he could do two or three of the things your saying, but five seems a bit much with the lack of evidence that exist in this case.

Originally posted by Lucid Lui
You guys saw through them pretty fast, and they served their purpose long enough for X-Man to take out Despero. X-Man won't need the illusions much longer....
Yeah, my team saw through them within seconds(and before you could attack most likely). And since you didn't take Despero out by teleporting(since it's not allowed), that just means your trying to sustain all of them even longer(when you still haven't proven he can).

Originally posted by Lucid Lui
Not happening because Despero is merged with solid ground....
Wrong, against the rules. Despero's fine, and the time you spent trying that little stunt gave my guys even more time to adapt to the situation(not that they really needed it).

Originally posted by Lucid Lui
blah blah shielded presence blah blah....
blah blah don't need to sense you blah blah

Originally posted by bigbran
So, before I respond, I guess all the other points still stand that you haven't responded to without a debate right? OK good.
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Bigbran post #3.

Ya, I looked over EVERYTHING.
But I could ask you the same thing. The part in which Druid pawned the Avengers (I'll get into that later)?

Where exactly did I claim this? Unless you are talking about when I said our team was probably faster, in which it mattered not, in which we were or not. But the only speedster on your team is Quaser. And he is busy:

Shooting a big omni-blast.
And trying to put me in a bubble.
In which, why would your speed matter anyway?

The rest of your team is slow, and Quaser can't substain your whole team when he gets his mind taken out (in which I will get to later/a long time ago).

Also I said his reflexes/speed were there to avoid his attacks. I never claimed AM to be faster than Quaser. He is fast enough however to avoid attacks.
I also said that I wouldn't be running around you, or running away (in the scan you posted). Also why would this be relevent anyway, since we never claimed "speedblitz" or anything of the sorts.

So, our guys are fast enough to avoid attacks (and the rest of our team is probably way faster than the rest of your team, but hey...).
Quaser is basically your only speedster, and I won't be trying to match his speed, just avoid his attacks (think along the lines of Spider-Man).

Did you ever think that he could have added his magic to his telepathy (irrelevent since I will get into the full thing in a little bit). Anyway, based off a bio right? Because we all know the bio's just block out all the comic evidence of things happening.

Also that link didn't work, but I did see it.


Oh? (I don't know how well the judges will like me reposting)
http://img156.imageshack.us/img156/8279/mindfreezemp2.jpg
http://img150.imageshack.us/img150/103/mindfreezedetailedjh6.jpg


Hell, let's say that you are indeed right for a minute. The power he showed there was magic (a magic mind attack... something that I have been using to take out Quaser this whole time). Quaser is useless to magic. So... Quaser's mind still gets attacked by magic, and Quaser still goes down... hard.

But yet again I have a back up. Yes inexperienced, yes, lots of bubbles.
But AM is smarter, and he is also made of Cap's shield, harder than adamantium.
http://img169.imageshack.us/img169/6932/quasar05015yk2.jpg

Of course though, this is if by someway that the telepathy doesn't work.

So, I will still stick with my strategy and take you out by mind.

Ya, and how long did those safety measures take?
Also, it also seemed to weaken him quite when this kicked in. So, if by some miracle that you can stop my magic (not possible), Quaser will also be weakened or stunned... just enough time for me to take him to the cleaners.

So you see, either way you slice it, Quaser is going down.

Oh but I do.
It is all a matter of looking. Or if you can't use this as a response, it is littered all over this post.

Oh, and this matters?
(I think this is the third time this scan was used, and hopefully the last)
http://img179.imageshack.us/img179/6450/magicvulnerability2qc2.jpg

Quaser is useless against magic, not to a certain degree, but useless!
So, he was the wrong one for you guys to put against AM don't you think?

Also, I know that it took a full battle in which Quaser had the lower hand against Thor, for the spell to wear off. It also wore off, from a little help from Thor hitting him.

Quaser never broke free right away, and he doesn't have the luxury of a couple comics for AM's mind attacks to take you out. Also, I won't be continually affecting you. Think of it, as Mike Tyson hitting a normal (unworked out) 20 year old.
One attack equals Quaser either going down, or severely hurt.
Two attacks equals Quaser going down.

So Quaser as he is useless to magic, will be hit with magic and telepathy (I already pointed out in an earlier post).

Ya, and that is the only reason Quaser was able to break free. From it's long lasting effects. Like I said though, my attacks are going to hit you hard and fast.
You also made a mistake:
Dr. Druid's magical TP.

Sure, let's go with that...

Do I need to explain it again?
Thor has absorbed a blast that would destroy a 5th of the universe. Thor wasn't able to absorb AM.

Also that was a hypothical situation, in which I would turn into Quaser's constructs. Or in other words, I played into your hands.
But that wouldn't work.

I also said I wasn't dumb enough to do that (since I have my magic working at Quaser). But that was a just in case.
I will however use that energy AFTER I take out Quaser to get out of the bubble (That I most likely will not be getting into).

Yes, it will work. I already explained earlier. But, Quaser is useless to magic. My attacks are magic. His mind attacks will take out Quaser.

You can't absorb AM, and it wouldn't matter if you could (as I already pointed out).

You mean the suprise attack that just came in, about two posts, ago, that also goes against your first strategy?
Anyway... this suprise attack won't affect our guys. Since as I pointed out earlier, that two of us are made of Cap's shield (Darth will deal with Despero). You will again, at best, get our attention. Then it's all downhill from there.
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I'm still sticking strong with my strategy though.

I will mindrape Quaser when he uses his attack (I guess he got switched to attacking from behind now). So after that attack is futile, I will hit you hard.

I also made every way that you said it would play out backfire. That just proves I have so many other options, than my main one that I am sticking with.

I don't even know if I need to get into detail about Mangog/SA, since I explained it good the last post, but... Mangog won't be taking him down basically. And every time he attacks, he will be getting energy sapped.

Then from there, it is all about overwhelming the rest in our number advantage.

A. AM won't be seeing me I'm invisible remember
B. his tp is not magical he was born with those powers his magic comes from the speels of his ancestors .

C. Enchantress used a spell on Quasar not a Telepathic attack. Theres a difference.
Enchantress = spellcaster
Dr. Druuid- low level spell caster, low level telepath
Quasar is completely immune to telepathy and has failsafes against Strong spells like the one enchantress cast.

anways TP is TP no type of TP works against Quasar no type
Sow me a scan of someone using magical TP "not a mind control spell like enchantress used" against Quasar and having it work .

D. None of your team knows that Quasar is vulnurable to magic. They can't even see him. and your team can't scan his mind because A. Quasar is invulnerable to any type of telepathyB. Quasar is invisible .
So your team ahs no way of knowing that Quasra is vuneravle to amgic which doesn't even matter since your tp won't work on Quasar anyway.

E. PIS theres no way Absorbing man is> a goo dportion of the universe. Also Quasar >Thor when it comes to energy absorbtion.

F. I never specifically stated where ar epossition to your team was anyway even if I di you can't sense or see us and your team is distracted by the llusions as well. your team won't be braced for anything you will get hit hard.

At the start of your posts could you indicate which character is yours and which is the team character ... saves us non-combatants from constantly having to go back and check.

(this goes for our match from now on as well guys)

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Lucid Post #3
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Just a rebuttal post for now, i'll outline where our strategy goes from here tomorrow morning.


Originally posted by darthgoober
I really don't know what your reading in those scans, because I saw no indication that Dr. Druid sensed Captain Marvel at all. If he didn't need to sense her, then he won't need to sense X-Man. There needs to be some hint of a mind though. Something for the telepathy/spell to latch on to so it knows it's found it's contact, (otherwise what's to stop it from thinking it's found its contact with a rock). Nate has made it so there's no minds to be sensed, therefore Druids TP doesn't find anything.




Originally posted by darthgoober
No because you are again over looking the fact that Super Adaptiod has a FAR greater reactionary speed than anyone on your team. He has the combined mental speed of two super computers, and a guy that can tag Flash fairly frequently. He would register the illusions and transmit the info about them before your team could actually attack. X-Man has faster reflexes than anyone on your team(though Quasar has a faster travel speed), and he simply moves/reacts at the speed of thought. Shaman X-Man's reacted fast enough to teleport away from a bloodlusted character who could fly around the world in seconds. Whether your guys are informed about the illusions when we touch down or not, the fact still remains that you don't know we're there, so you won't be attacking us.



Originally posted by darthgoober
Wait, did he PROCEED to re building the wreckage, or did he do that while Hulk was wearing the armor? While.

Originally posted by darthgoober
Nope I checked with batdude, that kind of teleportaion isn't allowed in this tourney. And the time you wasted trying just lends more credit to my team being ready to counter. Now obviously this (annoying) turn of events hinders us a bit. But as Despero still won't be able to identify X-Man's position (and SA is busy with mangog, regardless of who has the advantage here, SA won't be taking Mangog out quickly), X-Man will change his strategy (as i assume since he tried something against the rules, it just didn't work), which i'll outline in my next post.

Originally posted by DigiMark007
It's Friday evening, so I'll remind participants to get their last arguments in, and for judges to start reading through the match (if they haven't already) and placing votes in the next day or so.

Post #5 (And at the request of Scoob's, Despero is MY guy, and Super adaptoid is both of ours.)

Originally posted by Lucid Lui
There needs to be some hint of a mind though. Something for the telepathy/spell to latch on to so it knows it's found it's contact, (otherwise what's to stop it from thinking it's found its contact with a rock). Nate has made it so there's no minds to be sensed, therefore Druids TP doesn't find anything.
Speculation. Point out the portion of the scan I provided that says he sensed Captain Marvel. You're not dealing with normal telepathy, you're dealing with magic, and magic has a funny way of breaking the rules that are normally in place in these instances. So what feats do you have that indicate X-Man has a legitimate defense against magic like this?



Originally posted by Lucid Lui
Shaman X-Man's reacted fast enough to teleport away from a bloodlusted character who could fly around the world in seconds. Whether your guys are informed about the illusions when we touch down or not, the fact still remains that you don't know we're there, so you won't be attacking us.
Oh we ARE informed about the illusions, make no mistake about that. And what is this teleportation feat your talking about(details and/or scans of the event)? Anyway, you honestly think that a SINGLE instance of teleporting away from someone is proof enough that your reactions are equal to the likes of our team? In that case, I guess we'd all better take into consideration that Pip the Troll must have some ungodly reflexes himself, seeing as how he's been able to teleport away from just about everyone at some point or another.

Anyway, our entire team is more than capable of attacking your guys. As we've explained(and shown) REPEATEDLY, Dr. Druid does not need to see someone to use his powers on them. And as for Despero....

http://img413.imageshack.us/img413/3954/soulsenseqa9.jpg

He is able to sense and actually SEE the essence of a person's soul via his third eye. So he’d not be fooled by the illusions anyway(unless you guys gave them a soul). And did you guys do something special to conceal your own souls from our team? No. Therefore, Despero is fully aware of X-Man(even without Super Adaptoid's attack against X-Man, which you still haven’t really came up with a defense for).



Originally posted by Lucid Lui
Now obviously this (annoying) turn of events hinders us a bit. But as Despero still won't be able to identify X-Man's position (and SA is busy with mangog, regardless of who has the advantage here, SA won't be taking Mangog out quickly), X-Man will change his strategy (as i assume since he tried something against the rules, it just didn't work), which i'll outline in my next post.
Except that Despero IS aware of X-Man. Even if you somehow masked your soul essence, he would still be made aware by Super Adaptoid's(or rather, Dr. Druid's) attack. For that matter, you still haven't proven that X-Man is capable of sustaining THREE suits of TK armor, keeping himself invisible while helping to keep Mangog invisible, sustains illusions all over the battlefield, keeping some kind of uber psi shield active for Mangog, and still be able to engage(and beat) Despero in a telepathic showdown.



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Now to the judges(since this was a rather short post on my part).

Several things have been CONTINUOUSLY ignored by our opponents throughout this match that I'd like to recap, just so they're fresh in everyone's mind.

1. There's no proof that X-Man can sustain all the effects that they have him attempting. The closest thing to proof they've provided is the speculation that in his "Shaman" form, he SHOULD be able to sustain all of it, since he's more powerful.

2. Dr. Druids mental abilities are magical in nature. Now against someone with no real defense against regular telepathy, there's probably not much of a difference. But when shielding and the like come into play, it can make a HUGE difference. Just ask Superman which he'd rather be blasted by, regular fire or magical fire. Even if both fire's burn at the same intensity and are identical in every aspect to someone with no defense against either, the magical fire will be far more effective because of Supes lack of defense against it. Once again(and hopefully for the last time), here is Dr. Druid saying SPECIFICALLY that his mental powers utilize Earth based MAGIC...
http://img134.imageshack.us/img134/5482/mindfreezedetailedtt6.jpg
So their countering this by saying "it's just like regular TP" is somewhat ludicrous(see Supes example as to why). And the attack was strong enough to stop Thor with the rest of the Avengers, so it's hardly a "weak" attack.

3. We've shown repeatedly that Dr. Druid doesn't have to see someone to use his abilities on them, and the fact that his powers are MAGICAL in nature makes a big difference in situations like this. Magical attacks aren't bound by the same rules as most other attacks, and all the other team has done is to speculate that the attack would be no different than normal TP.

4. While the opposing team might have faster traveling speed than ours, our teams reactions are FAR better. Despero is the slowest on our team, and he's still got the speed/reflexes to tag Flash consistently, and even interrupt a speedblitz from Flash. Super Adaptoid, has all that speed, PLUS the mental speed of TWO supercomputers. Silver Surfer has a far faster traveling speed than Thanos, but what happens when SS tries to rush him?

5. Our team was set to absorb any incoming attacks at the start of the battle. That means that Quasar's opening omni blast did nothing more than strengthen our guys(except Despero, who's plenty durable enough to handle a blast like that, seeing as how he's taken numerous blast from the likes of GL's(and seeing as how most of the attack was absorbed anyway).

6. Mangog was screwed the moment they had him attempt to square off with Super Adaptoid. At the start of the match, he was as strong/durable as Cap's shield. His power was then further increased by the omni blast from Quasar. It was then increased even further, by absorbing Mangog's Quantum Armor and TK armor(which they still haven't proven X-Man can sustain), and the strength of Mangog himself(because in DL's first post he specifically had Mangog attack Super Adaptoid physically). Now imagine that....

Strength of Cap's shield+energy from omni blast+Quantum Armor+TK Armor+the strength of Mangog=WOW.

6. Finally, during our prep phase we made use of Wanda's powers over probability to increase our teams effectiveness(and the one that used those powers understands them on a level that Wanda could only dream of). That means that everything that we've said is not only possible, it's probable. We basically have the polar opposite of Murphy's Law in effect for us, Anything that CAN go right for us, WILL go right.

Has everyone posted their final arguments?

Originally posted by Galan007
Has everyone posted their final arguments?

Even if they haven't, it's the final day and judges are welcome to start casting votes...at best, there will be a post or two, but enough has been posted to form a reasoned opinion.

In that case, I’ll go ahead and cast my vote for Bigbran and Darthgoober.

Overall, they just seem to have a better idea of how they were going to go about this whole fight and IMO they presented better strategies to counter their opponents. They brought more well thought out arguments to the table (not so say that DL and LL didn’t also bring in intelligent arguments, but BB and Darth just did better in that area IMO).I believe one of the biggest factors is that BB and Darth seemed to know much more about what their own characters could do than LL and DL knew about them, which seemed to aid them in coming up with ways to prove the failure of their opponents’ offensive strategies (such as the whole “illusions don’t work on Super-Adaptoid” thing).

Any way, this isn’t to say DL and LL didn’t debate well, but their arguments just didn’t seem as convincing as BB’s and Darth’s posts did. Their opening strategy seemed like it would be effective, but I was more swayed by Adaptation Unlimited’s opening posts even moreso and it mainly just went from there.

Darth and BB have my vote as well.

They seemed to counter everything that was thrown at them, with a very reasonable and just strategy. Everything seemed very well thought out, and they knew exactly what there characters were capable of, and provided scan after scan proving their point.

DL/LL still did very well, but Darth and BB's strategy held a bit better IMO.

I'm voting for Darth and Bran.
I wanted to see if Devil Lance and Lucid Lui were going to post again before I voted but I have to leave soon.

I was more convinced with their opening strategy and counter points. I wasn't convinced with the illusions or invisibility working on team Bran/Darth. Team DL/LL did a great job but imo their plan and counters weren't as solid.

Congrats to both teams for a great debate.

It looks like Bran and Darth are moving to the next round.

Well then this match is officially over.

Congradulations to BB and DG. You guys are moving to the next round.

DD and LL, you guys put up a great fight in this match and did a good job. I'd like to thank you for participating in my tourney.

Thanks judges.


Also thanks to DL and LL, you guys put up a really good match and actually had me scrambling at a couple of points during it. So I owe you thanks if for nothing else other than the fact that you guys showed me what we need to work on.

That being said....

BRING ON OUR NEXT VICTIMS!

OK, this should be my last post.
Also, since this was brought up, my character is AM, Darth's is Despero, and our team's is SA.
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Originally posted by Devil Lance
A. AM won't be seeing me I'm invisible remember Remember that I don't have to see you, to hit you? Dr. Druid doesn't have to see his opponent to hit them with a mind attack. Also, you gave away your position as soon as you fired off your omni-blast . So, even if I didn't have Druid's mind powers, you gave away your position.
Either way, Quaser being invisible means nothing when he tried to stumble us, and failed, and in the mean time gave his position away.

Originally posted by Devil Lance
B. his tp is not magical he was born with those powers his magic comes from the speels of his ancestors . Oh, I guess you didn't see every post I posted. Your using a bio to disclude what happened, and the bio even says it is unsure about his mind attacks. Nothing along the lines of what you said.
Remember, bio's aren't there to try and disclude what happened on-panel, in comics.

Originally posted by Devil Lance
C. Enchantress used a spell on Quasar not a Telepathic attack. Theres a difference.
Enchantress = spellcaster
Dr. Druuid- low level spell caster, low level telepath
Quasar is completely immune to telepathy and has failsafes against Strong spells like the one enchantress cast. His failsafe didn't kick in immediately, and left him stunned in the process.
Plus remember that Quaser is useless against magic, not immune to Enchantress level magic.
Plus, where would you get the idea that he is a low level? Not that it matters... at all! But, really?

Originally posted by Devil Lance
anways TP is TP no type of TP works against Quasar no type
Sow me a scan of someone using magical TP "not a mind control spell like enchantress used" against Quasar and having it work . Ummm... Quaser is immune to tp, yes, of course. Quaser is useless against magic.
As soon as AM, takes out his mental blocks (magic), his tp will be hitting with full force. Not just a magic attack, not just a tp attack. But, a magic and tp attack.
Like I said before, he will be hit with the full force, it would be like Mike Tyson hitting you.
So you thought this whole time it would just be the magic, but no, not at all. The magic will take out the psi-blocks (and hurt the hell out of Quaser in the process), then the tp will finish him off.

Originally posted by Devil Lance
D. None of your team knows that Quasar is vulnurable to magic. They can't even see him. and your team can't scan his mind because A. Quasar is invulnerable to any type of telepathyB. Quasar is invisible .
So your team ahs no way of knowing that Quasra is vuneravle to amgic which doesn't even matter since your tp won't work on Quasar anyway. Umm... AM will still hit him with it reguardless. Like I mean, we had AM attack him with the attack already, and even if he didn't know about it, he is still going to hit him, find out it is effective, and then take him out in the next.
Plus, I already answered the rest in the rest of my post.

Originally posted by Devil Lance
E. PIS theres no way Absorbing man is> a goo dportion of the universe. Also Quasar >Thor when it comes to energy absorbtion. How is it pis, when it is AM's only showing of getting absorbed?
So, after you figured out that you couldn't absorb AM, you call the pis card?
Plus, I don't know why you are clinging to this one so much. I said it wouldn't happen, and it won't. You won't get the oppurtunity to do so, because when I responded to it, I gave you a What-If (like in comics, it won't happen). I showed it wouldn't happen, and it won't. It doesn't even matter if Quaser could (he can't), because I wouldn't give you the oppurtunity, and I'm not changing my strategy.

Plus, you want another reason why it also couldn't happen (this is the third reason). It is because AM is a magical person to begin with (he was changed by Loki). No that he ever shoots the stuff, but Quaser will sure as hell know what he is, if he follows your strategy. Quaser (useless to magic), absorbing someone who got his powers by magic... I don't think so!
You still want to cling to this? It is false, through and through.

Originally posted by Devil Lance
F. I never specifically stated where ar epossition to your team was anyway even if I di you can't sense or see us and your team is distracted by the llusions as well. your team won't be braced for anything you will get hit hard. Wait... you said you would teleport to our location and if all goes right, SA will be facing Mangog, Quaser will be facing AM, and Despero will be facing X-Man.
Do you know what facing is?
Go look at your opening post, if you think I'm making this up.
So, now you are going to teleport behind me?

Also, our team was braced for your impact.
Plus, your omni-blast was already proven to do nothing numerous times.

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OK, to get right down to this battle:

You guys changed to attacking us from behind. At first you said you would be facing us, and now it is changed into a back attack.

Your illusions have been proven to be false.

You changed your strategy (and character), when you said that Mangog will just stand back and attack from afar, after you found out that SA was set to absorb.

Mangog was originally going to just teleport and pound on SA, and KO him... but then you found out what it said in our opening post, and then it went downhill form there. Mangog isn't even in the debate anymore...

Quaser was proven not to be able to absorb AM.

Quaser was shown to be useless to magic attacks. We gave you magic telepathy.

Quaser was originally supposed to hurt all of our characters with his omni-blast. We proved that to be nothing more than an attention attack.

Quaser is supposed to do an omni-blast, and than is supposed to trap AM in a bubble. But, AM will hit Quaser as soon, or right after he fires off his omni-blast (or useless attack in this battle).

Mangog was proven not to be invisible.
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For our part now:

Basically, our strategy is still strong. Everything is still good, and running.

AM takes Quaser out as soon as he tries to do anything. With his magic, plus his telepathy, Quaser will be hit full force, and for the first time, Quaser is going down to telepathy. The magic in the attack, will take out the psi-blocks, plus it will severely weaken him and stun him. Then the TP will hit his mind full force. That is all in one attack too!
He either goes down in the first attack, or he gets put in a coma in the next one... you decide.

It still doesn't matter if Quaser gets him in a bubble also. I will take him out, and then deal with his bubble later. It also won't take long at all to get out of the bubbles.

I have regarded your strategy's, and then proved them to be false, not just ignored them. They were hypothical situations (AM getting absorbed), in which I proved them to be false, and then later killed them.

Mangog isn't taking out SA since he is made of Cap's shield, and he will take some damage, plus, he will be absorbing part of the shield that was put up around Mangog. Hell we didn't even make SA lift a finger to do this (weird).
Mangog is still visible, and still vunerable.

The omni-blast won't be doing anything, and it was just a waste of time, to put Quaser as an even bigger target.

Quaser may be visible, but his mind isn't, and that is all that is important. Plus, he gave away his position as soon as he fired off his useless omni-blast.

Also, your bubbles that were supposedly going to take down AM, those weren't even proven to hit him. Plus, after Quaser is dealt with, it is a simple matter of breaking out of the bubbles, not by physical force, but by using his head.

Plus, our team may, or may not be faster, but we sure as hell have faster reflexes.

After Quaser gets taken to the house, AM will come over and help put Mangog down, then X-Man is going down.

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EDIT: Damn...

Anyway, thanks judges.

Thanks, to DL and Lucid for a good match to.

So I'm guesing we take on Digi, and Scoobs next?

Originally posted by bigbran
OK, this should be my last post.
Also, since this was brought up, my character is AM, Darth's is Despero, and our team's is SA.
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Remember that I don't have to see you, to hit you? Dr. Druid doesn't have to see his opponent to hit them with a mind attack. Also, you gave away your position as soon as you fired off your omni-blast . So, even if I didn't have Druid's mind powers, you gave away your position.
Either way, Quaser being invisible means nothing when he tried to stumble us, and failed, and in the mean time gave his position away.

Oh, I guess you didn't see every post I posted. Your using a bio to disclude what happened, and the bio even says it is unsure about his mind attacks. Nothing along the lines of wha you said.
Remember, bio's aren't there to try and disclude what happened on-panel, in comics.

His failsafe didn't kick in immediately, and left him stunned in the process.
Plus remember that Quaser is useless against magic, not immune to Enchantress level magic.
Plus, where would you get the idea that he is a low level? Not that it matters... at all! But, really?

Ummm... Quaser is immune to tp, yes, of course. Quaser is useless against magic.
As soon as AM, takes out his mental blocks (magic), his tp will be hitting with full force. Not just a magic attack, not just a tp attack. But, a magic and tp attack.
Like I said before, he will be hit with the full force, it would be like Mike Tyson hitting you.
So you thought this whole time it would just be the magic, but no, not at all. The magic will take out the psi-blocks (and hurt the hell out of Quaser in the process), then the tp will finish him off.

Umm... AM will still hit him with it reguardless. Like I mean, we had AM attack him with the attack already, and even if he didn't know about it, he is still going to hit him, find out it is effective, and then take him out in the next.
Plus, I already answered the rest in the rest of my post.

How is it pis, when it is AM's only showing of getting absorbed?
So, after you figured out that you couldn't absorb AM, you call the pis card?
Plus, I don't know why you are clinging to this one so much. I said it wouldn't happen, and it won't. You won't get the oppurtunity to do so, because when I responded to it, I gave you a What-If (like in comics, it won't happen). I showed it wouldn't happen, and it won't. It doesn't even matter if Quaser could (he can't), because I wouldn't give you the oppurtunity, and I'm not changing my strategy.

Plus, you want another reason why it also couldn't happen (this is the third reason). It is because AM is a magical person to begin with (he was changed by Loki). No that he ever shoots the stuff, but Quaser will sure as hell know what he is, if he follows your strategy. Quaser (useless to magic), absorbing someone who got his powers by magic... I don't think so!
You still want to cling to this? It is false, through and through.

Wait... you said you would teleport to our location and if all goes right, SA will be facing Mangog, Quaser will be facing AM, and Despero will be facing X-Man.
Do you know what facing is?
Go look at your opening post, if you think I'm making this up.
So, now you are going to teleport behind me?

Also, our team was braced for your impact.
Plus, your omni-blast was already proven to do nothing numerous times.

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OK, to get right down to this battle:

You guys changed to attacking us from behind. At first you said you would be facing us, and now it is changed into a back attack.

Your illusions have been proven to be false.

You changed your strategy (and character), when you said that Mangog will just stand back and attack from afar, after you found out that SA was set to absorb.

Mangog was originally going to just teleport and pound on SA, and KO him... but then you found out what it said in our opening post, and then it went downhill form there. Mangog isn't even in the debate anymore...

Quaser was proven not to be able to absorb AM.

Quaser was shown to be useless to magic attacks. We gave you magic telepathy.

Quaser was originally supposed to hurt all of our characters with his omni-blast. We proved that to be nothing more than an attention attack.

Quaser is supposed to do an omni-blast, and than is supposed to trap AM in a bubble. But, AM will hit Quaser as soon, or right after he fires off his omni-blast (or useless attack in this battle).

Mangog was proven not to be invisible.
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For our part now:

Basically, our strategy is still strong. Everything is still good, and running.

AM takes Quaser out as soon as he tries to do anything. With his magic, plus his telepathy, Quaser will be hit full force, and for the first time, Quaser is going down to telepathy. The magic in the attack, will take out the psi-blocks, plus it will severely weaken him and stun him. Then the TP will hit his mind full force. That is all in one attack too!
He either goes down in the first attack, or he gets put in a coma in the next one... you decide.

It still doesn't matter if Quaser gets him in a bubble also. I will take him out, and then deal with his bubble later. It also won't take long at all to get out of the bubbles.

I have regarded your strategy's, and then proved them to be false, not just ignored them. They were hypothical situations (AM getting absorbed), in which I proved them to be false, and then later killed them.

Mangog isn't taking out SA since he is made of Cap's shield, and he will take some damage, plus, he will be absorbing part of the shield that was put up around Mangog. Hell we didn't even make SA lift a finger to do this (weird).
Mangog is still visible, and still vunerable.

The omni-blast won't be doing anything, and it was just a waste of time, to put Quaser as an even bigger target.

Quaser may be visible, but his mind isn't, and that is all that is important. Plus, he gave away his position as soon as he fired off his useless omni-blast.

Also, your bubbles that were supposedly going to take down AM, those weren't even proven to hit him. Plus, after Quaser is dealt with, it is a simple matter of breaking out of the bubbles, not by physical force, but by using his head.

Plus, our team may, or may not be faster, but we sure as hell have faster reflexes.

After Quaser gets taken to the house, AM will come over and help put Mangog down, then X-Man is going down.
Dude, it's over. We won.

Originally posted by darthgoober
Dude, it's over. We won.

Originally posted by darthgoober
Dude, it's over. We won. Ya, I also just started that post, right after Accel wrote (or after I seen it). Then when I posted I saw the rest.

well done, gents.

Good job everyone!

Congrats to Bran and Goober. Kudos on the strategy, i honestly couldn't think of a way for us to beat your combination.

I've now decided that you two have to go on to win the tournament, just so we were beaten by the winners. I command it!

Originally posted by Lucid Lui
Congrats to Bran and Goober. Kudos on the strategy, i honestly couldn't think of a way for us to beat your combination.

I've now decided that you two have to go on to win the tournament, just so we were beaten by the winners. I command it!
Very gracious and magnanimous Lucid.

shouldn't this be unpinned by now?

Originally posted by Scoobless
shouldn't this be unpinned by now?

You'd think so. Lazy mods...

Originally posted by DigiMark007
You'd think so. Lazy mods...

Y'know .... according to this you're not a mod, you're a "Forum Leader".