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It's a bit premature to say that it's a good day for America. The guy hasn't done anything yet. If he gets elected, then it's a different story.

Let's wait until that day.

I'll have to wait until he's actually in the office and shows what he wants to do before I would call it a good thing

I don't get it.

Originally posted by Fishy
I'll have to wait until he's actually in the office and shows what he wants to do before I would call it a good thing

I think Spearhead put it best. Once elected, it's a good thing. But seriously, all political bs aside, he's the best presidential candidate this country has had since at least.....pfft......Reagan?

Baraka's fatality: Back, Forward, Down, Forward, B.
Osama's fatality: Pulled grenade in Mouth.

Originally posted by botankus
Baraka's fatality: Back, Forward, Down, Forward, B.
Osama's fatality: Pulled grenade in Mouth.

L L Z!

Still better than Hillary Clinton

Like I've read in numerous political blogs, I'd be shocked if he didn't run for president at this point.

Originally posted by Grimm22
Still better than Hillary Clinton

Indeed. ...nor am I woman bashing here either. She's too....too..... stuffy.

I wouldn't vote for Obama Or Hillary Clinton...they're too uptight and conservative to be democrats, but i'd bet my bottom dollar that they'd still do a much fkn better job than Bush and Cheney

Originally posted by Lord Urizen
I wouldn't vote for Obama Or Hillary Clinton...they're too uptight and conservative to be democrats, but i'd bet my bottom dollar that they'd still do a much fkn better job than Bush and Cheney ....Obama's not conservative...

Originally posted by Lord Urizen
I wouldn't vote for Obama Or Hillary Clinton...they're too uptight and conservative to be democrats, but i'd bet my bottom dollar that they'd still do a much fkn better job than Bush and Cheney

...goes w/o saying. Hillary, however is her own worst enemy. She'd have a difficult time getting cooperation from Congress though-is my guess.

Obama seems ok but its too early to say.... I do know I dont plan on voting for Hillary at this point as well.

Okay, I'm going to step away from rationale thought and take a gander at reality. Let's be honest, folks, there are a lot of superficial voters out there. Sometimes people just see a sign, or a face, or flip a coin, and vote. I'd be willing to bet that at least a million voters will not vote for this guy based on his name alone. I'm not even talking about his race at all. The guy has a first name similar to a Mortal Kombat character and his last name is frighteningly close to the name of America's #1 enemy.

You can debate this and that and all that other political B.S., which is fine, but cold-hard reality tells me that there are a lot of voters out there who will judge the book by its cover, and this has in no way addressed the color of his skin. He has no chance.

Originally posted by botankus
Okay, I'm going to step away from rationale thought and take a gander at reality. Let's be honest, folks, there are a lot of superficial voters out there. Sometimes people just see a sign, or a face, or flip a coin, and vote. I'd be willing to bet that at least a million voters will not vote for this guy based on his name alone. I'm not even talking about his race at all. The guy has a first name similar to a Mortal Kombat character and his last name is frighteningly close to the name of America's #1 enemy.

You can debate this and that and all that other political B.S., which is fine, but cold-hard reality tells me that there are a lot of voters out there who will judge the book by its cover, and this has in no way addressed the color of his skin. He has no chance.

I don't discount anything you've said, with the exception of saying he has no chance. Other than Hillary, is there another front runner for the Democratic party that you can think of that actually poses a threat to him?

this thread should be merged with the obama thread, or at least given at least a bit of a descriptive title.

and a big thanks to fox news for continuing to smear obama in their "oops, did i do it again? im sowwy...teehee" kinda childish way.
whether its interchanging his name and osama's name, or
attacking him because his father was a muslim, or perhaps just dropping his image nonchalantly in negative or tragic segments, yet proving obvious in their deliberateness...

559kCaH1Shw&eurl

Originally posted by botankus
So if the guy's name was Dingaling McPu$$y, do you think that the number of votes would be the same as if his name were Jim Weathers?


I don't know, but someone would hate him for some reason.

I see what you're getting at, Shaky, and I get your point. The only problem is, in today's world, people are too busy and have to take many things at face value. Unfortunately, politics is one of those things. Names are so important. If "Titanic" was called "Ship-Jumping Oafs" - even with the same storyline, it would have grossed millions less. And etcetera.

Originally posted by botankus
Okay, I'm going to step away from rationale thought and take a gander at reality. Let's be honest, folks, there are a lot of superficial voters out there. Sometimes people just see a sign, or a face, or flip a coin, and vote. I'd be willing to bet that at least a million voters will not vote for this guy based on his name alone. I'm not even talking about his race at all. The guy has a first name similar to a Mortal Kombat character and his last name is frighteningly close to the name of America's #1 enemy.

You can debate this and that and all that other political B.S., which is fine, but cold-hard reality tells me that there are a lot of voters out there who will judge the book by its cover, and this has in no way addressed the color of his skin. He has no chance. Yes, his name is Barack Hussein Obama, but he is a fine politician and anyone who can't see past his name are probably voting Republican anyway.

Oh, Shit! I didn't even realize his middle name was Hussein! Take my original post and multiply it by 10,000!

Maybe we should get rid of the presidency.

Originally posted by botankus
Oh, Shit! I didn't even realize his middle name was Hussein! Take my original post and multiply it by 10,000! I figured you'd react something like that

Originally posted by Shakyamunison
Maybe we should get rid of the presidency.

ive always thought this a proper course. however instead of removing the third branch, change it to an executive branch with a few elected leaders. no system should ever have to trust just one man at any point.

Originally posted by Shakyamunison
Maybe we should get rid of the presidency.




No! The US actually has a chance to get this right since.....since....since Reagan?!

Heck, maybe even since JFK.

Barack has the potential to go down as one of the all time greats. ...possesses too much intelligence, respect/esteem, swagger, and charisma not to.

Originally posted by PVS
ive always thought this a proper course. however instead of removing the third branch, change it to an executive branch with a few elected leaders. no system should ever have to trust just one man at any point.

That would work. We could divide the responsibilities and make important issue a majority vote.

Originally posted by Strangelove
I figured you'd react something like that

I'm not saying I personally wouldn't vote for the guy, but the odds of a dude having that name......it sounds like something straight out of Saturday Night Live or some Leslie Nielson movie.

Originally posted by botankus
I'm not saying I personally wouldn't vote for the guy, but the odds of a dude having that name......it sounds like something straight out of Saturday Night Live or some Leslie Nielson movie.

Shirley, you can't be serious?!

Originally posted by Shakyamunison
We could divide the responsibilities
dangerous ground imho.

Originally posted by BobbyD
Shirley, you can't be serious?!

I am serious. And don't call me Shirley.

Originally posted by botankus
I'm not saying I personally wouldn't vote for the guy, but the odds of a dude having that name......it sounds like something straight out of Saturday Night Live or some Leslie Nielson movie. Like I said, the people who can't see past his skin color or his name are probably voting Republican anyway, and I personally think people like that don't deserve to vote.

Originally posted by botankus
I am serious. And don't call me Shirley.

Originally posted by Lord Urizen
I wouldn't vote for Obama Or Hillary Clinton...they're too uptight and conservative to be democrats, but i'd bet my bottom dollar that they'd still do a much fkn better job than Bush and Cheney '

Conservative?!? eer

Hillary Clinton is one of the most liberal politicians ever

Obama isn't nearly as bad, but he isn't any Zell Millar, I'll tell you that much

Originally posted by BobbyD



No! The US actually has a chance to get this right since.....since....since Reagan?!

Heck, maybe even since JFK.

Barack has the potential to go down as one of the all time greats. ...possesses too much intelligence, respect/esteem, swagger, and charisma not to.

Plus he's a Bears fan

Thats always a plus

Even though I would never vote for him, he's still a cool guy

Originally posted by Grimm22
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Conservative?!? eer

Hillary Clinton is one of the most liberal politicians ever

Obama isn't nearly as bad, but he isn't any Zell Millar, I'll tell you that much

Hilary is one of the most liberal politicians ever?

America's liberals suck

Originally posted by Fishy
Hilary is one of the most liberal politicians ever?

America's liberals suck

For America at least

Hell she may as well be a socialist

Of course, 50% of the Democratic Party could fit into that role as well

Originally posted by Grimm22
For America at least

Hell she may as well be a socialist

Of course, 50% of the Democratic Party could fit into that role as well Actually, there is a Socialist in the Senate. Bernie Sanders. I love that guy, he's so silly

Originally posted by Fishy
Hilary is one of the most liberal politicians ever?

America's liberals suck There are much more liberal politicians in the House of Representatives, but you have to be little more moderate to win a statewide election

Originally posted by Strangelove
There are much more liberal politicians in the House of Representatives, but you have to be little more moderate to win a statewide election

I'm sorry.

America's liberals in congress suck

Originally posted by Strangelove
Like I said, the people who can't see past his skin color or his name are probably voting Republican anyway, and I personally think people like that don't deserve to vote.

This is a stupid statement.

Originally posted by Fishy
I'm sorry.

America's liberals in congress suck I respectfully disagree

Originally posted by Shakyamunison
This is a stupid statement. is there any reason for that, or are you just going to leave it at that?

Originally posted by Strangelove
is there any reason for that, or are you just going to leave it at that?

Generalizations are generally wrong.

Originally posted by Shakyamunison
This is a stupid statement.

because its true?

read it again, its not a false dichotomy on republicans, just a sad truth on most racists who vote

show me a liberal klansman and ill shut up.

Originally posted by PVS
because its true?

read it again, its not a false dichotomy on republicans, just a sad truth on most racists who vote

show me a liberal klansman and ill shut up.

http://www.jewishworldreview.com/michelle/malkin030801.asp

Originally posted by Shakyamunison
Generalizations are generally wrong. that is also a generalization

michelle malkin? whats next, ann coulter? should i respond with michael moore?

Originally posted by Shakyamunison
http://www.jewishworldreview.com/michelle/malkin030801.asp Sen. Robert Byrd was in the Klan for less than a year and he only joined because it was an anti-Communist organization

Originally posted by Strangelove
Like I said, the people who can't see past his skin color or his name are probably voting Republican anyway, and I personally think people like that don't deserve to vote.

So if I'm voting Green party or Libertarian that means I'm a racist for not voting for Overrated Obama?

Race card won't work on politics.

still trying to figure out where he implied that people who dont vote for obama are automatically racist, or even that people who vote republican are automatically racist.

Originally posted by WrathfulDwarf
So if I'm voting Green party or Libertarian that means I'm a racist for not voting for Overrated Obama?

Race card won't work on politics. The two sentences are not mutually exclusive FFS doh

Originally posted by Strangelove
The two sentences are not mutually exclusive FFS doh

No, but it could lead to that...so mentioning skin color and all that stuff is best to leave it at the door. At least that's what I think...

if a polictical party attacks him based on race, his father's religion, and plays the terror card with his name, i think selective discrimination has already reared its ugly head on the highest platform.

Originally posted by WrathfulDwarf
No, but it could lead to that...so mentioning skin color and all that stuff is best to leave it at the door. At least that's what I think... And you're absolutely right. I never think about race when I vote (of course the only people who run for office in my state are white), I'm just saying that people who do think like that don't deserve to vote.

Originally posted by Strangelove
And you're absolutely right. I never think about race when I vote (of course the only people who run for office in my state are white), I'm just saying that people who do think like that don't deserve to vote.

...and will most likely vote republican. dont back off that point, since its true.

hey, dont feel bad republicans, we have to have all the ecoterrorist freaks representing us. whats good for the goose...

Originally posted by PVS
if a polictical party attacks him based on race, his father's religion, and plays the terror card with his name, i think selective discrimination has already reared its ugly head on the highest platform. Just like Keith Ellison, who was elected as the First Muslim in Congress last November. Some guy on CNN actually had the gall to say "prove to me you are not working with our enemies"

Makes me sick.

Originally posted by PVS
...and will most likely vote republican. dont back off that point, since its true.

hey, dont feel bad republicans, we have to have all the ecoterrorist freaks representing us. whats good for the goose... hehe. Good point

Originally posted by Strangelove
And you're absolutely right. I never think about race when I vote (of course the only people who run for office in my state are white), I'm just saying that people who do think like that don't deserve to vote.

I believe we agree on the subject of "Let a man be judge by his actions and not by the color of the skin..." and so on.

Even though I agree sterotypes and all that stuff are wrong...denying their right to vote is just not very democratic. If we going to pick and choose who should vote and who shouldn't vote it's practically pointless. People who have those issues that...may never change. But still can't deny them the right to vote. Now, if were talking about criminals and people in jail that's a whole other issue.

Originally posted by WrathfulDwarf
I believe we agree on the subject of "Let a man be judge by his actions and not by the color of the skin..." and so on.

Even though I agree sterotypes and all that stuff are wrong...denying their right to vote is just not very democratic. If we going to pick and choose who should vote and who shouldn't vote it's practically pointless. People who have those issues that...may never change. But still can't deny them the right to vote. Now, if were talking about criminals and people in jail that's a whole other issue. Well, of course I'm not advocating stripping the right to vote from racists. It's almost impossible to discern who's a racist these days anyway (but we're all racists in FotN's eyes touched).

Originally posted by Strangelove
Well, of course I'm not advocating stripping the right to vote from racists. It's almost impossible to discern who's a racist these days anyway (but we're all racists in FotN's eyes touched).

I know you well Strangelove no need to explain.

But I will admit....I do discriminate agaisn't a certain group of individuals....I hate Trolls. Only because I'm a dwarf!

People might vote for him if they keep associating him with Lincoln..It's marketing.......

what I read about him and heard about him where good things. But A he has to get elected and B he has to be able to execute his agenda.

Originally posted by debbiejo
People might vote for him if they keep associating him with Lincoln..It's marketing.......

Of course; he's Black and from Illinois.

Originally posted by WrathfulDwarf
I know you well Strangelove no need to explain.

But I will admit....I do discriminate agaisn't a certain group of individuals....I hate Trolls. Only because I'm a dwarf! I'm discriminatory against idiots above all others

Originally posted by Fire
what I read about him and heard about him where good things. But A he has to get elected and B he has to be able to execute his agenda. I subscribe to his podcast, and he's very good at articulating his positions on the big issues. I think he'll have no problem executing his agenda.

Originally posted by Strangelove
I'm discriminatory against idiots above all others

What do you have against idoits?

Originally posted by Quiero Mota
What do you have against idoits? .....they're idiots

Originally posted by Strangelove
.....they're idiots

Can you elaborate?

Originally posted by Quiero Mota
Can you elaborate?

I don't think he can without sounding like an idiot to me.

Originally posted by Quiero Mota
Can you elaborate? People who do stupid things.....like sue McDonald's when they spill coffee on themselves, for example.

I don't know what so difficult to grasp.

Originally posted by Shakyamunison
I don't think he can without sounding like an idiot to me. well, I'm not exactly typing with you in mind, sorry to burst your ego bubble

Originally posted by Strangelove
People who do stupid things.....like sue McDonald's when they spill coffee on themselves, for example.

Or sue McDonald's for "making" them fat.

Originally posted by Strangelove
I don't know what so difficult to grasp.

Just giving you hard time.

Originally posted by Strangelove
well, I'm not exactly typing with you in mind, sorry to burst your ego bubble

Don't get bent. I'm just poking fun at your hypocrisy that you don't even see.

...because it was never there

Originally posted by Quiero Mota
Of course; he's Black and from Illinois. Yeah, he's the new Black Lincoln...Even better..

Originally posted by debbiejo
Yeah, he's the new Black Lincoln...Even better..

Not exactly what I meant.

Being a Black guy from The Land of Lincoln would definitely help his campaign.

Originally posted by Shakyamunison
Don't get bent. I'm just poking fun at your hypocrisy that you don't even see. You have yet to make clear what you believe my hypocrisy isOriginally posted by Quiero Mota
Just giving you hard time. oh. okay

Eh, he's definitely more moderate than most democrats

I will probably only vote for him if I don't like who is running for the Republican Party

I'm still bugged that he won't tell what he stands for on some issues (abortion, security, ect..)

But, hey, he's from Chicago and he's a Bears fan! +1 in my book

Originally posted by Grimm22
Eh, he's definitely more moderate than most democrats

I will probably only vote for him if I don't like who is running for the Republican Party

I'm still bugged that he won't tell what he stands for on some issues (abortion, security, ect..)

But, hey, he's from Chicago and he's a Bears fan! +1 in my book

Grimm, you from Shy-town?

Originally posted by Strangelove
You have yet to make clear what you believe my hypocrisy is oh. okay

That would be a waist of my time.

Originally posted by Shakyamunison
That would be a waist of my time. Then you are a waste of my time entirely. Good day, sir

Originally posted by Strangelove
Then you are a waste of my time entirely. Good day, sir

Like I said, don't get bent.

Originally posted by Shakyamunison
Like I said, don't get bent. I won't. For if you refuse to point out my supposed hypocrisy, then I can safely assume that there is none to be spoken of and I live life as I always do.

Originally posted by BobbyD
Grimm, you from Shy-town?

Born in Chicago.

Unfortunately, I moved a long time ago, but I'm going to move back after I college

Originally posted by Strangelove
Well, your dad sounds like a Dixiecrat to me.

I personally think that America is a lot less bigoted than black people would lead us to believe. But even if we were to assume that the National Democratic party is not free of bigotry, it's still a far cry better for minorities than the Republicans

Well, that is a totally different statement.

BTW I'm always on guard when I'm on the GDF because of certain people. So, sorry if I gave up on you too fast.

Originally posted by Shakyamunison
BTW I'm always on guard when I'm on the GDF because of certain people. So, sorry if I gave up on you too fast. Eh, shit happens

Originally posted by Strangelove
Eh, shit happens

That's how my mother always explained me.

Originally posted by Shakyamunison
That's how my mother always explained me. how tactful

Originally posted by Strangelove
I subscribe to his podcast, and he's very good at articulating his positions on the big issues. I think he'll have no problem executing his agenda.
I ment the house and the senate have to go along with his agenda as well.
But I agree with you on the fact that he seems a capable politician. If I was allowed to vote over there I'd vote for him.

Originally posted by Grimm22
Born in Chicago.

Unfortunately, I moved a long time ago, but I'm going to move back after I college
your bears are looking good this year. afraid my colts will whup their asses in the big one.

Originally posted by Shakyamunison
Well, that is a totally different statement.

no it isnt. its just unnecessarily analysis of a simple and accurate statement which was challenged based on nothing more than rare anecdotal exceptions.
some rare lobsters are blue, great.

blue lobsters? whats this gobbledygook?

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
blue lobsters? whats this gobbledygook?

its an analogy, sunshine.
it means that the rare exception does not disprove the norm

try to keep up.

Originally posted by PVS
its an analogy, sunshine.
it means that the rare exception does not disprove the norm

try to keep up.
i gotcha....so i am your sunshine? will you be my lollipop?

Originally posted by Grimm22
Born in Chicago.

Unfortunately, I moved a long time ago, but I'm going to move back after I college

Get out!? Welcome back then to one of the greatest cities in the world. I've lived here my entire life. ....job market is still a little tough though, unless you're in the healthcare industry.

Who cares! Corporations, not politicians, run things anyway.

Originally posted by Darth_Erebus
Who cares! Corporations, not politicians, run things anyway.

true. i hardly see how that renders politicians irrelevant.

Originally posted by Darth_Erebus
Who cares! Corporations, not politicians, run things anyway. Your cynical attitude troubles me

Originally posted by PVS
no it isnt. its just unnecessarily analysis of a simple and accurate statement which was challenged based on nothing more than rare anecdotal exceptions.
some rare lobsters are blue, great.

You have to start paying attention.

Originally posted by Shakyamunison
You have to start paying attention. Actually, I have to agree with PVS. My argument never changed.

Originally posted by Strangelove
Actually, I have to agree with PVS. My argument never changed.



= Bigots are Republicans.



= The Democratic party is better for minorities than the Republicans.

Originally posted by Shakyamunison
= Bigots are Republicans.



no, it = white american bigots tend to be republican, and they do.

what you cant seem to wrap your noodle around is that he never said that republicans tend to be bigots.

try this: relax, deep breath, think it through, acknowledge that you are chasing phantoms, and concede the point.

Originally posted by Darth_Erebus
Who cares! Corporations, not politicians, run things anyway.

I actually have graphs and figures about how many percent of which age group feels that way in my course books for Uni. Funny course.

Originally posted by Fire
I actually have graphs and figures about how many percent of which age group feels that way in my course books for Uni. Funny course.

whats the course called?

Originally posted by PVS
no, it = white american bigots tend to be republican, and they do.

what you cant seem to wrap your noodle around is that he never said that republicans tend to be bigots.

try this: relax, deep breath, think it through, acknowledge that you are chasing phantoms, and concede the point.

And you have been smoking too much pot. I don't think I can help you; you are a waist of my time.

Originally posted by Shakyamunison
too much pot.

no such thing

Originally posted by Shakyamunison
I don't think I can help you; you are a waist of my time.

way to dodge the point that you're putting words in his mouth.

is this the part where you start juggling bowling pins and honk your red nose too amuse everyone and distract from the fact that you're wrong?

Originally posted by PVS
no such thing...

Now we know why you can't understand what I was getting at. It's ok, don't get upset.

Most bigots tend to be Republican, because Republicans tend to hold on to Conservatism, Conservatism refuses social progress and change- (quite in fact, Conservatism means to go backwards instead of forwards), and racism and homophobia was much stronger before than it is now.



However, saying all bigots are Republican is a blank generalization. I know quite a number of Liberal bigots....

I know racists who are Liberal minded, and I know homophobes who are Liberal minded....

I find that one of the more common forms of discrimination among Liberal minded people happens to be superficiality....meaning, even if race, gender, and sexual orientation are not the means by which they discriminate, a person's looks and facial features are still the means by which they discriminate.



However, the discrimination on the Liberal's end seems to be farrr weaker than on the Conservative end.

"What's in a name? That which we call a rose by any other word would smell as sweet."

Originally posted by Robtard
"What's in a name? That which we call a rose by any other word would smell as sweet."


If my last name was Hitler, I'd want to legally change it.

Originally posted by Lord Urizen
If my last name was Hitler, I'd want to legally change it.

Even if Hitler were your grandfather, a name doesn't make you who you are.

Originally posted by Robtard
Even if Hitler were your grandfather, a name doesn't make you who you are.

That is true, but most people would have some level of apprehension toward voting for "Jim Hitler".

Originally posted by Robtard
"What's in a name? That which we call a rose by any other word would smell as sweet."

There is a lot more in a name than you think. Most Americans don't vote on political believes. Most vote of weather or not they like the guy and some people will not like him because of his name.

Side story

Many surveys prove that simple names like John, Tom, and Steve have a greater chance of getting a job that not so common names, Like Tamaqua, Dalquon, Zeylon, and Obama. Gaining presidency is like gaining a job so a name plays a factor. Sad but true

Originally posted by Shakyamunison
And you have been smoking too much pot. I don't think I can help you; you are a waist of my time. Okay, I think that you, Shak, PVS and I are all making coherent point.s. I stand by my argument that most white bigots are Republican. Black bigots (they do exist) are generally Democrats for the sole reason that blacks are usually Democrats regardless of their beliefs. I also stand by the argument that the Democratic party is better for minorities than the Republican party, but that's because most white bigots are Republican. My second argument is dependent on the first.

By the way, it's spelled 'waste'

Originally posted by Strangelove
...By the way, it's spelled 'waste'

...just a waste of thyme.

Originally posted by Shakyamunison
...just a waste of thyme. http://i95.photobucket.com/albums/l145/42Strangelove/ohyou.jpg

Originally posted by Strangelove
http://i95.photobucket.com/albums/l145/42Strangelove/ohyou.jpg

Is that you?

Before running for president should spend his time in the his current position in the Senate learning his job that he was just elected for.

As noted, that is probably his biggest obstacle to overcome; lack of experience.

Originally posted by Shakyamunison
Is that you? No

Originally posted by Robtard
As noted, that is probably his biggest obstacle to overcome; lack of experience.

...you mean like the current president of Iran?

Originally posted by BobbyD
...you mean like the current president of Iran?


Anyhow, Obama's going to have to find a way to overcome that obstacle to stand a chance.

Originally posted by Robtard
Anyhow, Obama's going to have to find a way to overcome that obstacle to stand a chance.

I agree. But, what have we got to lose? I mean even people with experience in Congress or previous gov's of states have turned out to be imcompetent. So why not take a gamble on a fresh young voice and face who hasn't been corrupted/jaded by our political system already?

Originally posted by BobbyD
I agree. But, what have we got to lose? I mean even people with experience in Congress or previous gov's of states have turned out to be imcompetent. So why not take a gamble on a fresh young voice and face who hasn't been corrupted/jaded by our political system already?

I wasn't making a statement weather he's the right person for the job or not, just that his inexperience will be a huge hurdle for him to overcome in convincing many voters.

Originally posted by Robtard
I wasn't making a statement weather he's the right person for the job or not, just that his inexperience will be a huge hurdle for him to overcome in convincing many voters.


I'm not sure about him having to overcome many hurdles, he'll get a ton of votes because he isn't the typical white male running for office.

Not that it's critical but aside from his new position in the Sentate what other offices has he held?

Originally posted by Soleran
Not that it's critical but aside from his new position in the Sentate what other offices has he held? He was in the Illinois State Senate for 8 years. He was also elected president of the Harvard Law Review.

Originally posted by Lord Urizen
Sadly, most people in America are pro-gun, anti gay marriage, republicans.....


I think Obama Hussien Barrack should change his name however.....that name aint gonna help him win

Whats wrong with being pro-gun?!?

*not going to bring up the gay-marriage thing

Originally posted by BobbyD
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070116/ap_on_el_pr/obama2008 Barack has done nothing yet, hes just a black man whos a politician and therefore is reffered to in the media as the next god of all thats good in this world.

In fact, when he was younger, Barrack Hussein Obama, lived in Indonesia, a terrorist breading country for four years.

I wouldnt trust his decisions as far as I could throw a truck.


And whoever said sadly, more people in America are pro gun, you obviously dont know 1/10 of the gun issue. Your judgement has no basis if you studied the topic at all.

Actually, he's just as much white as he is black.


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Originally posted by Lord Urizen
I wouldn't vote for Obama Or Hillary Clinton...they're too uptight and conservative to be democrats, but i'd bet my bottom dollar that they'd still do a much fkn better job than Bush and Cheney

Oh really. Perhaps you should refresh your politics.

Sheesh. I cant even get through a page...

Originally posted by Lord Urizen
Sadly, most people in America are pro-gun, anti gay marriage, republicans.....


I think Obama Hussien Barrack should change his name however.....that name aint gonna help him win Pro-gun - Incorrect. The pro-gun population is actually a small minority. It's just that the NRA is a powerful lobby. Anti-gay marriage - the public sentiment is changing, this will change as well. Repulbicans - also incorrect. The fact that the political system in America is competitive disproves this.

You fail.

Originally posted by PVS
whats the course called?

It's called "Political sociology" but seeing as that won't really help you I'll explain it. The course is about social capital and generally the decline of change of it. Since most (especially long term) research on social capital has been done in the US we mostly study social capital in the US. One of the textbooks called "A new engagement" is filled with graphs and stats about social capital in the US. Specifically the change between old and young generations.

Originally posted by Lord Urizen
I wouldn't vote for Obama Or Hillary Clinton...they're too uptight and conservative to be democrats, but i'd bet my bottom dollar that they'd still do a much fkn better job than Bush and Cheney

Hillary as president?!?

If by a better job you mean instating the country into a state of socialism and destroying our freedom, then yes you are correct

Pres. Bush may not be a good leader. Hell he actually sucks compared to most other presidents, but I would take him over a freaking dictator like Hillary Clinton

Originally posted by Strangelove
Pro-gun - Incorrect. The pro-gun population is actually a small minority. It's just that the NRA is a powerful lobby. Anti-gay marriage - the public sentiment is changing, this will change as well. Repulbicans - also incorrect. The fact that the political system in America is competitive disproves this.

You fail.

I guarantee that less than 10% of the population would support gun control

Originally posted by Grimm22
Hillary as president?!?

If by a better job you mean instating the country into a state of socialism and destroying our freedom, then yes you are correct

Pres. Bush may not be a good leader. Hell he actually sucks compared to most other presidents, but I would take him over a freaking dictator like Hillary Clinton


Listen, I am no huge fan of Hillary, but these outlandish claims are just ridiculous; might as well bring back the Salem Witch Trials. Seriously now, she's like a dictator? Maybe you meant dicktaster?

Originally posted by Robtard
Listen, I am no huge fan of Hillary, but these outlandish claims are just ridiculous; might as well bring back the Salem Witch Trials. Seriously now, she's like a dictator? Maybe you meant dicktaster?

Originally posted by Grimm22
I guarantee that less than 10% of the population would support gun control I'm about 90% sure that that's bullshit

Originally posted by Strangelove
I'm about 90% sure that that's bullshit

however, remember that he posted "", so im torn

Originally posted by PVS
however, remember that he posted "", so im torn

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