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Who would win between these two heroes. This fight is just h2h combat with no gadgets, suits etc. Right now I'm undecided.

Bruce Wayne

I vote Bruce in this one.

I'm voting Bruce Wayne on this.

T'Challa

I was leaning towards Bruce Wayne also. He seems to display better fighting skill.

Wayne hits harder

T'Challa. No doubts.

Wayne easily.

T'Challa is good, but he still falls behind some of the better fighters in the MU who still fall behind Bruce.

T'challa can beat Cap? No way man. I'm not buying that. Maybe sometimes, but not often. Bruce has far more H2H feats, I'm giving him the nod.

Originally posted by YFZ 350
Who would win between these two heroes. This fight is just h2h combat with no gadgets, suits etc. Right now I'm undecided.

master bruce ftw

Bruce has been trained since his parents died to.plus he's been in the business wayyy longer than T'Challa at least when it comes to fighting bad guys. he has at least 13 years of experience.

I'd like to T'challa go up against the likes of Lady Shiva, Prometheus, Shang-Chi, etc.

Originally posted by TricksterPriest
I'd like to T'challa go up against the likes of Lady Shiva, Prometheus, Shang-Chi, etc.

*sigh*

Only if Hudlin's writing.

ummm, correct me if I'm wrong, but didn't the herb thing that T'challa eat give him things like enhanced reflexes and all that jazz?

Bats is probably the better fighter, but if T'challa has a speed/strength/endurence/reflex advantage it might even it out a little bit

This is so easy. Bruce Wayne takes him out.

T'challa kicks his arse, hard. reason why Inamilist has already stated, the herb boost him up like a mother clucker.

Originally posted by "V"
T'challa kicks his arse, hard. reason why Inamilist has already stated, the herb boost him up like a mother clucker. Easy now. T'Challa is good. No question, But the master technician and tactician Bruce is T'Challa's going down.

Originally posted by LORDSIDIOUS01
Easy now. T'Challa is good. No question, But the master technician and tactician Bruce is T'Challa's going down.

The master technician and tactician in a straight up hand to hand fight loses to a BETTER technician and tactician in my opinion. Bruce goes down alot harder, increased senses take it really. if we had T'challa without the herb it would be alot better.

Actually, the herb doesn't make as much difference as you think. In a jungle, Bruce would be ****ed. But in a straight fight in the open, Bats has the edge. T'challa's around peak human, not above. Unless someone has feats to prove otherwise? Marvel database says he's capable of 750 lbs at peak effort. That's around peak human. 800 lbs is the most someone can lift in Marvel without being called Superhuman.

Originally posted by TricksterPriest
Actually, the herb doesn't make as much difference as you think. In a jungle, Bruce would be ****ed. But in a straight fight in the open, Bats has the edge. T'challa's around peak human, not above. Unless someone has feats to prove otherwise? Marvel database says he's capable of 750 lbs at peak effort. That's around peak human. 800 lbs is the most someone can lift in Marvel without being called Superhuman.

cool

I thought it pumped him up to higher levels

Bruce Wayne wins. The Sh!t he has in his respect thread is insane in the brain.

erm...

Originally posted by Soljer
A VERY inexperienced Cap lost to T'Chaka. Besides that one showing, Cap has martial arts feats that put T'Challa's to shame.

Calling Danny Rand an amateur while schooling him hand to hand, for example.

Blame it on popularity if you really like, but fact of the matter is that no matter how you think the characters SHOULD be portrayed, Marvel has consistently portrayed Captain America as the foremost hand to hand combatant on Earth.

Not to mention the fact that Cap's strength feats are more numerous and impressive than T'Challa's.

have this two ever fought?

and about the age thing, i think its important, if T´Challa by the age of six says he´s mastered some form of combat

he may be faster but he's been given somewhat of a wallop before. White Wolf was beating him up and even though bp did a nerve pinch on him white wolf was fairly close to beating him and white wolf isn't even as skilled as bats or nearly as smart.

Originally posted by Loot
have this two ever fought?

and about the age thing, i think its important, if T´Challa by the age of six says he´s mastered some form of combat

Cool. Let's go ahead and say that T'Challa has mastered one form of combat for every six years he's lived. How many styles would he know?

Batman's mastered one hundred twenty seven.

He makes a living beating on people that have mastered every martial art known to man. T'Challa is nothing new.

Originally posted by Soljer
It was your implication. "They fight in different worlds, thusly, Bruce's GREATLY superior Martial Arts feats don't count."

Uhh...no.

.

Going by feats, and feats alone, Batman wins this for a good majority.

Same thing goes for you though.

Just because Bruce can defeat most if not all of the martial artists in his universe, doesnt gurantee can defeat all of Marvels.

Bruce is not the top notch hand to hand fighter in the DCU, dont pump him more than he deserves.

Originally posted by Bentley
Bruce is not the top notch hand to hand fighter in the DCU, dont pump him more than he deserves.

I know, there are several fighters who could defeat him. Bronze tiger, Richard Dragon, Batgirl etc.

If Reggie Hudlin writes it Batman loses and has the attitude and intelligence of Jade Goodey.

Now I wouldnt expect you to be watching celebrity big brother... Crom.

Originally posted by Loot
T`challa somoked pot since child to have superior senses

oh man I wish that worked for real.

inamilist = superman

Originally posted by By Crom!
If Reggie Hudlin writes it Batman loses and has the attitude and intelligence of Jade Goodey.



lol, if Hudlin wrote it, BP would sneak up on Bats while he was in a Klan suit burning a crucifix.

I think Bruce Wayne is going to win the fight but, how ever
not an easy fight!

With regards to Bruce's skills, he's in contention for the #1 spot along with a few others. Lady Shiva and the new batgirl, her daugther Cassanda Cain, are at the top of the list right now. And yes, Batgirl can beat Batman at this point. Not easily, but it is possible. Anyway, I don't T'challa walking away with the wins here.

Originally posted by "V"
Same thing goes for you though.

Just because Bruce can defeat most if not all of the martial artists in his universe, doesnt gurantee can defeat all of Marvels.

I wasn't implying that. I was just saying that Bruce's feats are no less credible simply because they happened in the DC universe.




Originally posted by "V"
I know, there are several fighters who could defeat him. Bronze tiger, Richard Dragon, Batgirl etc.

Stalemating Richard Dragon

http://img102.imageshack.us/my.php?image=bravebold132-05.jpg
http://img102.imageshack.us/my.php?image=bravebold132-06.jpg
http://img102.imageshack.us/my.php?image=bravebold132-07.jpg

Stalemating Bronze Tiger till he gets shot by a tranq dart from a noncombatant.

http://img7.imagevenue.com/view.php?loc=loc155&image=d6a_batiger1.jpg
http://img44.imagevenue.com/img.php?loc=loc167&image=e18_batiger2.jpg
http://img14.imagevenue.com/view.php?loc=loc90&image=1b4_batiger3.jpg
http://img40.imagevenue.com/img.php?loc=loc151&image=7c3_batiger4.jpg

Coming upon Shiva, unarmed, disarming her of HER weapon, and stalemating her till Robin minorally interferes.
http://img43.imagevenue.com/img.php?loc=loc297&image=757_batshiva1.jpg
http://img19.imagevenue.com/img.php?loc=loc142&image=572_batshiva2.jpg
http://img44.imagevenue.com/img.php?loc=loc29&image=ddd_batshiva3.jpg
http://img111.imagevenue.com/view.php?loc=loc232&image=8e4_batshiva4.jpg
http://img21.imagevenue.com/img.php?loc=loc18&image=ef2_batshiva5.jpg
http://img40.imagevenue.com/view.php?loc=loc166&image=325_batshiva6.jpg
http://img121.imagevenue.com/img.php?loc=loc135&image=a52_batshiva7.jpg

Destroys a 'mind controlled' Shiva, who, in fairness, still appears to have her skills intact. If nothing else, it shows that Bruce can take her out with a single punch.

http://img16.imagevenue.com/view.php?loc=loc269&image=644_batshiva2_1.jpg
http://img22.imagevenue.com/img.php?loc=loc148&image=ccd_batshiva2_2.jpg
http://img44.imagevenue.com/img.php?loc=loc75&image=4d8_batshiva2_3.jpg

Defeats Cassandra
http://img120.imagevenue.com/view.php?loc=loc237&image=279_batcass1.jpg
http://img43.imagevenue.com/view.php?loc=loc192&image=617_batcass2.jpg
http://img15.imagevenue.com/view.php?loc=loc208&image=b56_batcass3.jpg


Battles batgirl to a stalemate, while trying to simply talk to her. While both Cass and Batman were under the effects of the hostility-inducing drug, soul, Batman later admits that he was plenty clear minded, while Cass was closer to blood lusted.
http://img20.imagevenue.com/img.php?loc=loc69&image=812_batvsbgirl1.jpg
http://img45.imagevenue.com/img.php?loc=loc24&image=355_batvsbgirl2.jpg
http://img108.imagevenue.com/view.php?loc=loc24&image=6be_batvsbgirl3.jpg
http://img17.imagevenue.com/img.php?loc=loc24&image=978_batvsbgirl4.jpg
http://img109.imagevenue.com/img.php?loc=loc24&image=4a2_batvsbgirl5.jpg
http://img102.imagevenue.com/view.php?loc=loc24&image=f3f_batvsbgirl6.jpg
http://img44.imagevenue.com/view.php?loc=loc24&image=df8_batvsbgirl7.jpg
http://img14.imagevenue.com/img.php?loc=loc24&image=3be_batvsbgirl8.jpg
http://img16.imagevenue.com/view.php?loc=loc24&image=173_batvsbgirl9.jpg
http://img20.imagevenue.com/view.php?loc=loc24&image=8ef_batvsbgirl10.jpg
http://img21.imagevenue.com/img.php?loc=loc24&image=350_batvsbgirl11.jpg
http://img109.imagevenue.com/view.php?loc=loc24&image=f18_batvsbgirl12.jpg
http://img22.imagevenue.com/img.php?loc=loc24&image=f1f_batvsbgirl13.jpg
http://img13.imagevenue.com/img.php?loc=loc24&image=101_batvsbgirl14.jpg
http://img121.imagevenue.com/view.php?loc=loc24&image=630_batvsbgirl15.jpg


This alone should show that Bruce is at LEAST on the level of the people you named. He IS one of the foremost hand to hand combatants on DC earth, and breathing a name like "Shiva," "Dragon," or "Cassandra," without mentioning him is ridiculous.

Originally posted by Soljer
I wasn't implying that. I was just saying that Bruce's feats are no less credible simply because they happened in the DC universe.






Stalemating Richard Dragon

http://img102.imageshack.us/my.php?image=bravebold132-05.jpg
http://img102.imageshack.us/my.php?image=bravebold132-06.jpg
http://img102.imageshack.us/my.php?image=bravebold132-07.jpg

Stalemating Bronze Tiger till he gets shot by a tranq dart from a noncombatant.

http://img7.imagevenue.com/view.php?loc=loc155&image=d6a_batiger1.jpg
http://img44.imagevenue.com/img.php?loc=loc167&image=e18_batiger2.jpg
http://img14.imagevenue.com/view.php?loc=loc90&image=1b4_batiger3.jpg
http://img40.imagevenue.com/img.php?loc=loc151&image=7c3_batiger4.jpg

Coming upon Shiva, unarmed, disarming her of HER weapon, and stalemating her till Robin minorally interferes.
http://img43.imagevenue.com/img.php?loc=loc297&image=757_batshiva1.jpg
http://img19.imagevenue.com/img.php?loc=loc142&image=572_batshiva2.jpg
http://img44.imagevenue.com/img.php?loc=loc29&image=ddd_batshiva3.jpg
http://img111.imagevenue.com/view.php?loc=loc232&image=8e4_batshiva4.jpg
http://img21.imagevenue.com/img.php?loc=loc18&image=ef2_batshiva5.jpg
http://img40.imagevenue.com/view.php?loc=loc166&image=325_batshiva6.jpg
http://img121.imagevenue.com/img.php?loc=loc135&image=a52_batshiva7.jpg

Destroys a 'mind controlled' Shiva, who, in fairness, still appears to have her skills intact. If nothing else, it shows that Bruce can take her out with a single punch.

http://img16.imagevenue.com/view.php?loc=loc269&image=644_batshiva2_1.jpg
http://img22.imagevenue.com/img.php?loc=loc148&image=ccd_batshiva2_2.jpg
http://img44.imagevenue.com/img.php?loc=loc75&image=4d8_batshiva2_3.jpg

Defeats Cassandra
http://img120.imagevenue.com/view.php?loc=loc237&image=279_batcass1.jpg
http://img43.imagevenue.com/view.php?loc=loc192&image=617_batcass2.jpg
http://img15.imagevenue.com/view.php?loc=loc208&image=b56_batcass3.jpg


Battles batgirl to a stalemate, while trying to simply talk to her. While both Cass and Batman were under the effects of the hostility-inducing drug, soul, Batman later admits that he was plenty clear minded, while Cass was closer to blood lusted.
http://img20.imagevenue.com/img.php?loc=loc69&image=812_batvsbgirl1.jpg
http://img45.imagevenue.com/img.php?loc=loc24&image=355_batvsbgirl2.jpg
http://img108.imagevenue.com/view.php?loc=loc24&image=6be_batvsbgirl3.jpg
http://img17.imagevenue.com/img.php?loc=loc24&image=978_batvsbgirl4.jpg
http://img109.imagevenue.com/img.php?loc=loc24&image=4a2_batvsbgirl5.jpg
http://img102.imagevenue.com/view.php?loc=loc24&image=f3f_batvsbgirl6.jpg
http://img44.imagevenue.com/view.php?loc=loc24&image=df8_batvsbgirl7.jpg
http://img14.imagevenue.com/img.php?loc=loc24&image=3be_batvsbgirl8.jpg
http://img16.imagevenue.com/view.php?loc=loc24&image=173_batvsbgirl9.jpg
http://img20.imagevenue.com/view.php?loc=loc24&image=8ef_batvsbgirl10.jpg
http://img21.imagevenue.com/img.php?loc=loc24&image=350_batvsbgirl11.jpg
http://img109.imagevenue.com/view.php?loc=loc24&image=f18_batvsbgirl12.jpg
http://img22.imagevenue.com/img.php?loc=loc24&image=f1f_batvsbgirl13.jpg
http://img13.imagevenue.com/img.php?loc=loc24&image=101_batvsbgirl14.jpg
http://img121.imagevenue.com/view.php?loc=loc24&image=630_batvsbgirl15.jpg


This alone should show that Bruce is at LEAST on the level of the people you named. He IS one of the foremost hand to hand combatants on DC earth, and breathing a name like "Shiva," "Dragon," or "Cassandra," without mentioning him is ridiculous.

AWESOME

go batman

Originally posted by Soljer
I wasn't implying that. I was just saying that Bruce's feats are no less credible simply because they happened in the DC universe.






Stalemating Richard Dragon

http://img102.imageshack.us/my.php?image=bravebold132-05.jpg
http://img102.imageshack.us/my.php?image=bravebold132-06.jpg
http://img102.imageshack.us/my.php?image=bravebold132-07.jpg

Stalemating Bronze Tiger till he gets shot by a tranq dart from a noncombatant.

http://img7.imagevenue.com/view.php?loc=loc155&image=d6a_batiger1.jpg
http://img44.imagevenue.com/img.php?loc=loc167&image=e18_batiger2.jpg
http://img14.imagevenue.com/view.php?loc=loc90&image=1b4_batiger3.jpg
http://img40.imagevenue.com/img.php?loc=loc151&image=7c3_batiger4.jpg

Coming upon Shiva, unarmed, disarming her of HER weapon, and stalemating her till Robin minorally interferes.
http://img43.imagevenue.com/img.php?loc=loc297&image=757_batshiva1.jpg
http://img19.imagevenue.com/img.php?loc=loc142&image=572_batshiva2.jpg
http://img44.imagevenue.com/img.php?loc=loc29&image=ddd_batshiva3.jpg
http://img111.imagevenue.com/view.php?loc=loc232&image=8e4_batshiva4.jpg
http://img21.imagevenue.com/img.php?loc=loc18&image=ef2_batshiva5.jpg
http://img40.imagevenue.com/view.php?loc=loc166&image=325_batshiva6.jpg
http://img121.imagevenue.com/img.php?loc=loc135&image=a52_batshiva7.jpg

Destroys a 'mind controlled' Shiva, who, in fairness, still appears to have her skills intact. If nothing else, it shows that Bruce can take her out with a single punch.

http://img16.imagevenue.com/view.php?loc=loc269&image=644_batshiva2_1.jpg
http://img22.imagevenue.com/img.php?loc=loc148&image=ccd_batshiva2_2.jpg
http://img44.imagevenue.com/img.php?loc=loc75&image=4d8_batshiva2_3.jpg

Defeats Cassandra
http://img120.imagevenue.com/view.php?loc=loc237&image=279_batcass1.jpg
http://img43.imagevenue.com/view.php?loc=loc192&image=617_batcass2.jpg
http://img15.imagevenue.com/view.php?loc=loc208&image=b56_batcass3.jpg


Battles batgirl to a stalemate, while trying to simply talk to her. While both Cass and Batman were under the effects of the hostility-inducing drug, soul, Batman later admits that he was plenty clear minded, while Cass was closer to blood lusted.
http://img20.imagevenue.com/img.php?loc=loc69&image=812_batvsbgirl1.jpg
http://img45.imagevenue.com/img.php?loc=loc24&image=355_batvsbgirl2.jpg
http://img108.imagevenue.com/view.php?loc=loc24&image=6be_batvsbgirl3.jpg
http://img17.imagevenue.com/img.php?loc=loc24&image=978_batvsbgirl4.jpg
http://img109.imagevenue.com/img.php?loc=loc24&image=4a2_batvsbgirl5.jpg
http://img102.imagevenue.com/view.php?loc=loc24&image=f3f_batvsbgirl6.jpg
http://img44.imagevenue.com/view.php?loc=loc24&image=df8_batvsbgirl7.jpg
http://img14.imagevenue.com/img.php?loc=loc24&image=3be_batvsbgirl8.jpg
http://img16.imagevenue.com/view.php?loc=loc24&image=173_batvsbgirl9.jpg
http://img20.imagevenue.com/view.php?loc=loc24&image=8ef_batvsbgirl10.jpg
http://img21.imagevenue.com/img.php?loc=loc24&image=350_batvsbgirl11.jpg
http://img109.imagevenue.com/view.php?loc=loc24&image=f18_batvsbgirl12.jpg
http://img22.imagevenue.com/img.php?loc=loc24&image=f1f_batvsbgirl13.jpg
http://img13.imagevenue.com/img.php?loc=loc24&image=101_batvsbgirl14.jpg
http://img121.imagevenue.com/view.php?loc=loc24&image=630_batvsbgirl15.jpg


This alone should show that Bruce is at LEAST on the level of the people you named. He IS one of the foremost hand to hand combatants on DC earth, and breathing a name like "Shiva," "Dragon," or "Cassandra," without mentioning him is ridiculous.

Never said he wasnt in the same tier as them, but Tiger beat him straight up the first time didnt he? Batman stale-mating that one because he'd prepped accordingly. Dragon taught him, I reckon they're about equal though.

And if Batman was clear-minded and Cassie was blood-lusted thats hardly a fair fight is it? All of this is dreadfully random though. I still go for T'Challa to be honest.

EDIT- i'll admit Bruce has him in h2h skill, but I just reckon the sensory advantage swings it for him just barely.

Originally posted by inamilist
ummm, correct me if I'm wrong, but didn't the herb thing that T'challa eat give him things like enhanced reflexes and all that jazz?

Bats is probably the better fighter, but if T'challa has a speed/strength/endurence/reflex advantage it might even it out a little bit

Exactly what I was going to say.

Thanks to the heart herb, T'challa by far has the physical edge, and nearly (if not definitley) matches Bruce in skill.

T'challa takes this.

Bruce is usually thought to be in the top level or martial artists in the DCU. T'Challa usually is not even considered to be in the top tier of MU's martial artists.

Bruce is everybit as strong and as durable or even as fast at T'Challa is. Bruce does it naturally to where T'Challa uses the herb to get there. Physically they are pretty equal but Bruce has the better skill.

Originally posted by SpunkySmurph
Exactly what I was going to say.

Thanks to the heart herb, T'challa by far has the physical edge, and nearly (if not definitley) matches Bruce in skill.

T'challa takes this.

The physical edge? Are you sure? Batman easily has speed and strength feats to match T'Challa's regardless of the herb.

Those scans posted above show some nice skills from Batman.

T'challa

In a battle where it comes down to skills? Batman.

Also T'Challa did not defeat Captain America to my knowledge. His father beat a young Cap (before Cap went through any MA training, etc) after a long fight, though when Hudlin stated that, he obviously had no idea that Cap was shipped out right after Operation: Rebirth.

Originally posted by Beta Ray Howard
In a battle where it comes down to skills? Batman.

Also T'Challa did not defeat Captain America to my knowledge. His father beat a young Cap (before Cap went through any MA training, etc) after a long fight, though when Hudlin stated that, he obviously had no idea that Cap was shipped out right after Operation: Rebirth.

Aye, I believe I mentioned that clarification.

T'Chaka beat a VERY inexperienced Steve Rogers, but T'Challa has never beaten the Cap we all know and love.

Originally posted by TricksterPriest
Only if Hudlin's writing. At which point Cap will reveal he's really an agent of the KKK, and change his name to Captain Aryan. At which point BP takes him out with one punch and then says: "Black Power motha****a!"

Sadly, that is exactly how Reggie would write the confrontation....

Physical edge? I suggest we check out the Batman respect thread...holding up 1,000lbs, his speed, fighting ability etc...

He is well beyond what BP is capable of, hell like stated BP isn't even stated as one of MU's top fighters...

Bruce.

Originally posted by StarsNeverFall7
Physical edge? I suggest we check out the Batman respect thread...holding up 1,000lbs, his speed, fighting ability etc...

He is well beyond what BP is capable of, hell like stated BP isn't even stated as one of MU's top fighters... I went to the respect thread forum and checked out Batmans thread. I must say I was very impressed. I knew he was good but man that Batman site is awesome.

Originally posted by YFZ 350
I went to the respect thread forum and checked out Batmans thread. I must say I was very impressed. I knew he was good but man that Batman site is awesome.

Did you like the scan of Bruce bench pressing over two thousand pounds?

I nearly shat myself. Batman SHOULDN'T be that strong, even in a comic book world. He is WAY too lithe to also be twice as strong as the strongest human in the real world!

Originally posted by Soljer
Did you like the scan of Bruce bench pressing over two thousand pounds?

I nearly shat myself. Batman SHOULDN'T be that strong, even in a comic book world. He is WAY too lithe to also be twice as strong as the strongest human in the real world! I didn't see that one I don't think. Does it way it was that much?

Originally posted by YFZ 350
I didn't see that one I don't think. Does it way it was that much?

One of the plates on the barebell reads 500 lbs (it's hard to read in the scan, but is more visible in the actual panel). There is an even larger plate BEHIND that one, and some smaller ones in front.

Being conservative, and saying that the larger plate BEHIND the five hundred pound one was also only five hundred pounds, that'd be a thousand on each side of the bar. Two thousand pounds. Plus the smaller weights, plus the bar itself.

Well over one ton. Insane!

AHHHHHHHHHH! BATMAN HAS SUPERHUMAN-STRENGTH! Omg, are you serious? That's rediculous. Even Captain America can't do that.

Originally posted by TricksterPriest
AHHHHHHHHHH! BATMAN HAS SUPERHUMAN-STRENGTH! Omg, are you serious? That's rediculous. Even Captain America can't do that.

iirc there is a scan of cap pressing 2400 lbs

Originally posted by inamilist
iirc there is a scan of cap pressing 2400 lbs

It's arguable whether Cap pressed 1100 or 2200.

Originally posted by Soljer
It's arguable whether Cap pressed 1100 or 2200.

because it is only labeled on the one side, right?

Originally posted by inamilist
because it is only labeled on the one side, right?

Yes. It is unclear whether the electric dials are for each plate, or for the entire bar.

Both have been argued. Both are sensical. It's up to each individual to decide for themselves.

Originally posted by inamilist
because it is only labeled on the one side, right? normally with weights the way it works is that each side says its own ammount of weight, so going with how weights normally work he was pressing 2200 pounds, but he was damn near doing it effortlessly.

Originally posted by King KAM
normally with weights the way it works is that each side says its own ammount of weight, so going with how weights normally work he was pressing 2200 pounds, but he was damn near doing it effortlessly.

Yes, but these were hardly 'normal weights.'

They were electronically calibrated. Who knows if they worked on some sort of magnetic or gravitonic system. Who knows if you could have even taken the individual plates off or not? If not, it would make sense for each side to display the amount of total weight, rather than half of the total weight.

ya, ive heard this debate....

imho there isn't enough of a difference from class 1-2 for any real issues. But people like their numbers

Originally posted by inamilist
ya, ive heard this debate....

imho there isn't enough of a difference from class 1-2 for any real issues. But people like their numbers

In this case, it would be the difference between class 1 and class .5.

.

If the electronic weights are anything in comparision to what Reed often builds for the Ben, it would for a whole, weird gravity based things...

Not that it really makes any difference...Bruce is still going to put the beating on T'Challa

Originally posted by StarsNeverFall7
If the electronic weights are anything in comparision to what Reed often builds for the Ben, it would for a whole, weird gravity based things...

Not that it really makes any difference...Bruce is still going to put the beating on T'Challa

Exactly. However, since we do not know one way or the other, the feat is ambiguous.

It can, very easily, be argued either way. 1100, 2200, doesn't matter.

It's hardly Cap's best strength feat either way.

Oh, and Bruce still puts T'Challa down.

Originally posted by Soljer
In this case, it would be the difference between class 1 and class .5.

.

and that sir, is exactly why I don't like numbers

EDIT: and I'm going to say T'Challa 6/10
Hes got the herb

Out of all the BP feats I've seen, none of them really give me the impression that in straight H2H, he could beat Batman. Batman wins this.

Originally posted by inamilist
and that sir, is exactly why I don't like numbers

EDIT: and I'm going to say T'Challa 6/10
Hes got the herb

I used to have herbs all the time .

Doesn't mean I would have beaten Batman.