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How hypocritical is it that this country has and always been "the land of the free" where every human citizen born in this country had rights yet this atrocity happened.



"My God, Hamilton..We are going to pay for this one day."


- U.S. President Thomas Jefferson speaking with Hamilton at his plantation, on his second floor porch, overlooking a cotton-field full of his slaves.

Actually, it only said "all men are created equal"

1. Men only

2. Rich White men.

I would not say hypocrytical but it was a huge mistake they have made while making the decleration of independence. That is why they were also known as the "drunk old guys."

Originally posted by JacopeX


I would not say hypocrytical but it was a huge mistake they have made while making the decleration of independence. That is why they were also known as the "drunk old guys."

Or the Framers of this country our great Founding Fathers or American heroes. Can you believe that sh*t?, lol


Pfft. My a$$. Every dead U.S. President that ever owned slaves should be, posthumously, tried and convicted for felonious crimes against humanity, liquidate as much of their legacies as possible in the form of cash payment, (refunds rather) and then put in unmarked graves.

It does say its land of the free too, however what is more ironic is that 1/4 of all worlds population which is imprisoned is imprisoned in America alone. Land of the free.

It also says its the land of the brave, then 3 planes hit the 2 buildings and people are shitting themselves and think that everyone with arabic or persian name is gonna blow themselves up in front of them.

The good news is, that there is a high percentage of Americans which are not as such. African-American slavery was tragic - but it wasnt the most tragic one by far.
Read up on the slavey and injustice done to other people around the world - you'll be suprised.

Originally posted by lil bitchiness

African-American slavery was tragic - but it wasnt the most tragic one by far.
Read up on the slavey and injustice done to other people around the world - you'll be suprised.

African-American slavery is by far the most tragic episode in all of American history.

Originally posted by FistOfThe North
African-American slavery is by far the most tragic episode in all of American history.

That is subjective. For me it is the brutal genocide of millions of Native Americans. That is the worst atrocity in American history.

And there are far more brutal things happened in WORLD history. America(ns) think they are by far the most important - they are not. Your history is not long nor impressive.

Originally posted by lil bitchiness
That is subjective. For me it is the brutal genocide of millions of Native Americans. That is the worst atrocity in American history.

Ditto. Especially when Jackson was in office, since he deliberately disobeyed the Supreme Court and ordered the Cherokee be forcibly marched out of Georgia; and nobody bothered to stop the army from going through with it. The system of checks and balances was ignored, and nobody put a stop to that, either.

As it continued, entire tribes were wiped out. Not just decimated, wiped out entirely. The Yahi in California in particular are now extinct entirely (yes that term may sound a little harsh, and it's not meant as such, but it *is* accurate), and I seem to recall there was at least one MORE tribe in California that was wiped from the face of the earth.

Can you make that claim about slavery? Yes, several thousand died. But did the entire race get killed off? Did the entire race get wiped out, even while laws and rulings by the US government supposedly assured them legal protection? We broke our word with the Native Americans more times than any one person could hope to count. The majority of the Native Americans killed were dispatched for the sole reason that they were so lowly regarded in society's eyes that in some places it was legal to hunt them. Not as fugitives, but as wild game.

Also, Fist of the North, which is more hypocritical? The US for allowing slavery for so long, or the fact that a great deal of the slaves were kidnapped or captured by African tribes before being sold to whites; and that everyone turns the other cheek and pretends it was the whites that did it all?

Was slavery a tragedy in US history? Yes. Yet the blame rests equally with the people who sold their fellow man into slavery in the first place; who, more than likely, are the ancestors of the portion of African Americans that continue to assert it's all the white man's fault.

Originally posted by lil bitchiness

Read up on the slavey and injustice done to other people around the world - you'll be suprised.

Can you give other examples. I think what The Chinese Government has done to its own people has been pretty bad.

I think its hard to say whats worse African slavery or the oppression of the American Indians. Both incidents are so bad you dont even want to think about it or compare them.

Originally posted by Alfheim
Can you give other examples. I think what The Chinese Government has done to its own people has been pretty bad.

I think its hard to say whats worse African slavery or the oppression of the American Indians. Both incidents are so bad you dont even want to think about it or compare them.

As far as Africa goes, it was West Euope in general which has caused that, it wasn't strictly America. African slavey was so shocking because it was so recent. Tribes of North America and South America are extinct. (to use a harsh word) There are no more. They were ethnically clensed by people who came to their land.

Euroasia was under slavery of Turkish Ottoman Empire for 500 years - it begun before slavery in America and ended after slavey in America was abloished. People were killed, totured put on spikes, lynched, and enslaved.
Boys were stolen from their homes and taken to Turkey where they would be trained as Janissary.
Im sure you've heard of Armenian genocide.
I am not even gonna go into the slaves which were taken from Persia to Arabia.

A lot of things done to India are very rarely spoken of.

I agree that the African slavey was terrible, but everyone is speaking of it like it was the only thing that happened, and like it was the worst. I am only pointing out, that there were things which were/are tragic today everywhere else.

Originally posted by FistOfThe North
How hypocritical is it that this country has and always been "the land of the free" where every human citizen born in this country had rights yet this atrocity happened.



"My God, Hamilton..We are going to pay for this one day."


- U.S. President Thomas Jefferson speaking with Hamilton at his plantation, on his second floor porch, overlooking a cotton-field full of his slaves.

That is hypocritical, though not a hypocrisy of the modern United States.

Originally posted by lil bitchiness


Euroasia was under slavery of Turkish Ottoman Empire for 500 years - it begun before slavery in America and ended after slavey in America was abloished. People were killed, totured put on spikes, lynched, and enslaved.

Did they really...how interesting. I might have to look into this. Was this by any chance because they didn't accept Islam?

Originally posted by lil bitchiness


Boys were stolen from their homes and taken to Turkey where they would be trained as Janissary.
Im sure you've heard of Armenian genocide.
I am not even gonna go into the slaves which were taken from Persia to Arabia.

Im going to have to look into this as well.

Originally posted by lil bitchiness

A lot of things done to India are very rarely spoken of.

I agree that the African slavey was terrible, but everyone is speaking of it like it was the only thing that happened, and like it was the worst. I am only pointing out, that there were things which were/are tragic today everywhere else.

Fair enough. I think the problem is that it is relatively recent and what happened back then still affects Africa and Europe today.

Originally posted by Alfheim
Did they really...how interesting. I might have to look into this. Was this by any chance because they didn't accept Islam?



Im going to have to look into this as well.



Fair enough. I think the problem is that it is relatively recent and what happened back then still affects Africa and Europe today.

There are plenty of recent things that affect Europe and the US far more then slavery did. At least there would be if the United States would stop worrying about slavery already.

Originally posted by FistOfThe North
Pfft. My a$$. Every dead U.S. President that ever owned slaves should be, posthumously, tried and convicted for felonious crimes against humanity, liquidate as much of their legacies as possible in the form of cash payment, (refunds rather) and then put in unmarked graves. You are a self-serving as$hole.

Originally posted by Strangelove
You are a self-serving as$hole.

Oh not just that, but a hypocritical one at that.

I mean hell, he's ranting about how every "human citizen born in this country" (it's in quotes, because I'll get to it in a moment) has rights. While simultaneously suggesting we put people who are completely incapable of defending themselves or obtaining a lawyer (let alone showing up in the first place) on trial to strip away everything they have, from their descendants and any portion of the American public that benefitted from their money (in the form of donations, etc).

Now, on to the "human citizen" part. In all likelihood, I'll be outright flamed for saying this, and make a lot of enemies (despite the fact that in no way do I approve of the statement or the ideology behind it):

Back then, slaves and their offspring were not officially / legally recognized as human OR citizens. Hell, Jefferson personally believed that blacks were 1/3 Orangutan (you can look this up if you don't believe me).

Now, as horribly unfair as that was, it was entirely legal. In fact for quite some time, if you even taught a slave to read when it wasn't absolutely necessary (which would be if it was a shipping yard, store, etc), you could be in serious trouble with the law. At the worst they were regarded legally as property, and at best was once the Constitution came into effect and they were recognized as 2/3 a person for the purpose of establishing representation in the House of Representatives. You can't just try people who lived hundreds of years ago based on laws that were only established after their death; and whether you like it or not, or refuse to admit it, what they did was entirely legal at the time. Horribly inhumane and immoral, but legal.

Now, I'll just sit back and wait for the first flames to come in. Since, I really doubt anybody who wants to be offended will bother to either read or believe the statement that I in no way endorse that particular viewpoint.

Originally posted by Strangelove
You are a self-serving as$hole.

I'd sh*t on every slave owning U.S. presidents grave if I could. For free too.

Originally posted by FistOfThe North
I'd sh*t on every slave owning U.S. presidents grave if I could. For free too.

Then do it and leave us alone.

meh. bad shit happens all the time. it bothers me that this instance gets so much lip service.

fistofthenorth, i encourage you to talk a vow of silence. aside from the fact that you, if born and raised in the same period as the founding fathers, wouldn't have given a fart in the wind for a slave, shitting in anyone's grave is juvenile and idiotic.

Originally posted by FistOfThe North
I'd sh*t on every slave owning U.S. presidents grave if I could. For free too.

That's mature.

Originally posted by lil bitchiness
That is subjective. For me it is the brutal genocide of millions of Native Americans. That is the worst atrocity in American history.


How could you even compare the native-American genocide committed by Whites in the U.S. to a half millennia of forced servitude and the tortures of Black slavery.

It's incomparable.

Originally posted by FistOfThe North
How could you even compare the native-American genocide committed by Whites in the U.S. to a half millennia of forced servitude and the tortures of Black slavery.

It's incomparable.

You're right, it is incomparable.

The slaves supplied from Africa to the Western World were almost entirely captured or kidnapped BY other Africans. Not whites, but their own countrymen. The policy of enslaving members of other tribes was already in place, but once it was discovered the Western World would eagerly buy up those slaves, the practice began in earnest.

STILL run by the Africans. All the whites did was sell them again to make their profit, and provide the shipping to carry them to foreign lands.

The genocide of millions of Native Americans on the other hand, was largely a result of the citizens of the US at the time wanting more land, or whatever was in that land (the gold in the Black Hills for example), and just going to every possible length to either get rid of the Native Americans entirely; or kill them off. Whichever was perceived to be easier.

Slavery, while tragic, can hardly hold a candle to the methodic extermination of the Native Americans, for something as trivial as land, resources, and occasionally nothing more than sport.

yeah, i agree that slavery is one of the most tragic occurences to take place in American history, but i also think the genocide of Native Americans was a worse occurence. I also really think the attitude of hatred towards american presidents who owned slaves is a little ridiculous. I understand it was terrible, but it was the thing of the time. It was accepted. I'm not promoting the idea of accepting slavery, but im just saying for the time, they were just doing the norm, so i woudln't freak out about it.

Originally posted by Seth Wynd
You're right, it is incomparable.

The slaves supplied from Africa to the Western World were almost entirely captured or kidnapped BY other Africans. Not whites, but their own countrymen. The policy of enslaving members of other tribes was already in place, but once it was discovered the Western World would eagerly buy up those slaves, the practice began in earnest.





Im pretty sure its not as simple as "as soon as The Africans found out." The Europeans encourgaed them as well, so both Africans and Europeans were to blame.

Originally posted by FistOfThe North
How could you even compare the native-American genocide committed by Whites in the U.S. to a half millennia of forced servitude and the tortures of Black slavery.

It's incomparable.

You're right, its not comparable.

Considering the number of natives that were in America who lived in America for 10 000 years pre-European coming, including South America then, and now, is just shocking.

These people were hunted and murdered till there were no more left!

Native Americans offered food and shelter to the people who came to their land, and the white people broke their promices and their words to the Native Americans over and over and over again! White people STOLE Native American's land - the land on which they were born and died for 10 000 years prior to that.

Goddamn right its shocking!

Stop wallowing in your self pity.

I'd like to have a slave. He wouldn't have to be black but he would have to have a little bit of a limp for my amusement I'm going to start a thread about my new desire to own a slave.

Originally posted by lil bitchiness
You're right, its not comparable.

Considering the number of natives that were in America who lived in America for 10 000 years pre-European coming, including South America then, and now, is just shocking.

These people were hunted and murdered till there were no more left!

Native Americans offered food and shelter to the people who came to their land, and the white people broke their promices and their words to the Native Americans over and over and over again! White people STOLE Native American's land - the land on which they were born and died for 10 000 years prior to that.

Goddamn right its shocking!

Stop wallowing in your self pity.

Don't get upset with either me or your history. I'm merely pointing out that African American slavery was the worst kind of barbarism committed in American history. African Americans were killed spiritually, physically, and mentally. They were stripped of their cultures and families and forced to serve. And that's not counting the ones who endured the bs. But even worse, African Americans were stripped from there land, forced to enter a cold, foreign one, and work for free for half a thousand years in the u.s., and native Americans got it worse? Please. At least they were on familiar land where some or most were able to navigate it fairly well in order to escape effectively enough. Why do you think Whites weren't able to hold them as slaves, which is what they wanted natives as originally.

FotN, you're pulling that "willful ignorance" crap again....



And it wasn't. ONE OF the worst kinds yes, but THE worst? No. Hell, it's not just people that know about the Native Americans who'd disagree with you, either. There's several people in Hiroshima and Nagasaki who'd LOVE to tell you how absolutely full of yourself you are right now.



...and boy do you live a sheltered life if you honestly believe African Americans were the only ones to go through that.



By their fellow Africans.



Yes they did. Also, they didn't work for free. Room and board counts as payment. Yes it was meager, and not something anyone in their right mind would like to endure, but it was enough to keep them alive.

What'd the Native Americans get?

Epidemics, forced into "reservations" with little or no shelter, nowhere near enough food, horrible living conditions, and rampant disease. One could argue more died on these "reservations" than they did hunted down by the Europeans, Americans, and generally everyone else in the area.

As for the African Americans being stripped of their identity: ...that somehow makes them more tragic than the Native Americans HOW? It happened to them too. Or did you actually think they've had casinos the whole time? That's not the biggest example, but it's one you should HOPEFULLY know about (the Cherokee tried to adopt every bit of White culture they could, hoping it would keep the Americans around them from trying to force them out like they had other tribes in the past. They'd wear white-man clothes, run plantations, and learn the language. It didn't work, they were forced out anyway).



On a hunch: I'd have to go with "because numerous tribes fought to the death." That, and in several cases the military got carried away and rather than arrest or capture a tribe, they'd just shoot them all.

Stop throwing a pity-party and trying to pretend your race somehow had the greatest tragedy in US history. They didn't, and the Africans were just as much to blame as the Westerners. WE didn't know where to find slaves in Africa. Rival tribes solved that problem by kidnapping one anothers members and selling them off; even forcing them to march to the shore to be loaded onto the ships so we wouldn't have to handle that ourselves.

You wanna point fingers? I'd start hunting down your family tree.

Originally posted by Seth Wynd


You wanna point fingers? I'd start hunting down your family tree.

Hey, both whites and blacks are to blame for slavery. Stop going overboard.

Originally posted by Alfheim
Hey, both whites and blacks are to blame for slavery. Stop going overboard.

I blame the bible and god for slavery. God sick bastard and we all know that.

Originally posted by dirkdirden
I blame the bible and god for slavery. God sick bastard and we all know that.

Originally posted by Seth Wynd
FotN, you're pulling that "willful ignorance" crap again....

You wanna point fingers? I'd start hunting down your family tree.

Why do White people always feel the need to justify African-American slavery in a way that paints them and past Whites as guiltless. They say things like "It's not our fault, other Blacks offered the Blacks" or "Others were responsible for it too.." You all accepted the Blacks captives, didn't you?

And Whites always makes past Whites seem heroic. People like Washington, Jefferson and Jackson. Fcuk them dead mofo's. My family tree isn't tainted with innocent slave blood, i can assure you. But i bet that there's a higher chance that yours was written in it.

When will most of the Whites in this country stop with all the bs. It's been more than half a millennia of this racial crap, in this country, with them. "The land of the free" where "Everyone has equal rights". Please.

Every heard of Black tax? Where Blacks/colored people have to climb 20,000 ft. to get to the mountain top whiles Whites only have to climb 200 ft. in order to be successful? Do not deny that it is harder to be a Black or colored human in this country, than it is to be White. And that's the problem. Whites won't admit to that. Whites think Blacks are treated equally. And that's absolutely wrong.

Originally posted by FistOfThe North
Why do White people always feel the need to justify African-American slavery in a way that paints them and past Whites as guiltless. They say things like "It's not our fault, other Blacks offered the Blacks" or "Others were responsible for it too.." You all accepted the Blacks captives, didn't you?



Exactly.

Slavery was and most racial "injustices" today are the result of black stupidity, sadly. My family being a point-case.

Originally posted by Blaxican
Slavery was and most racial "injustices" today are the result of black stupidity, sadly. My family being a point-case.

Most racial injustices are Blacks fault. Well when you step out of your moon crater and return to earth, you'll see what you're saying is BS.

And lemme guess: Whites are in no way at fault for racism. They practically popularize/d it in this country. Did you forget the "Whites Only" or "Colored Only" signs placed on every water fountain there was. Was that Blacks fault. Maybe on the moon it is, eh? Face it, most Whites, in the US, don't like Blacks because of skin.

And hundreds of thousands or maybe millions of Blacks in the U.S. would agree.

Why do black people always feel the need to portray slavery as something that was thrust upon the black people in a way that paints them and past blacks as guiltless?

Blacks AND whites are responsible for the slavery that took place in the US.

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Originally posted by Kinneary
Why do black people always feel the need to portray slavery as something that was thrust upon the black people in a way that paints them and past blacks as guiltless?

Blacks AND whites are responsible for the slavery that took place in the US.

Unreal

What's unreal? Blacks sold other blacks into slavery. Yet I don't hear blacks crying out at the horror that Africans sent them into. Just about the racist whites.

Blacks are not blameless.

Originally posted by Kinneary
What's unreal? Blacks sold other blacks into slavery. Yet I don't hear blacks crying out at the horror that Africans sent them into. Just about the racist whites.

Blacks are not blameless.

Whites aren't either. The thing is, is that they pretend they aren't.

Originally posted by FistOfThe North
Whites aren't either. The thing is, is that they pretend they aren't. Could it be because the people that are alive today aren't to blame? Oh, yeah, that's it.

--Several million black slaves captured by blacks, sold to whites, and used by whites for the rest of their lives. They were "broke mentally, physically, spiritually." All in the course of several hundred years.

Compared to:

--One million black Africans murdered by their own people in Rwanda in the course of one year.

--Countless Jews tortured, enslaved, dispersed, murdered in the course of 4000 years by Persians, Babylonians, Egyptians, Romans, Nazis, etc.

--Tens of millions of Native Americans slaughtered by Spaniards, French, English and Americas, (and each other too). Resulting in the virtual destruction of their numbers, culture, language, way of life, etc.

--Many tens of millions of innocent civilians dead in the short wake of WWII, Stalin's reign, the Chinese Civil War.



Geez, compared to all these others, the Americans looked like little saints. Not literally, but if you're gonna say the European slave trade was the worst atrocity in human history, you'd better get out of that cave on Mars.

At least slavery gave us rock n roll.

I like that 'ol time rock 'n roll.

Originally posted by FistOfThe North
Whites aren't either. The thing is, is that they pretend they aren't.
Whites aren't responsible. Not a single white in America is responsible for slavery. Some of white people's families had a hand in it, but even then, most didn't. Hell, mine wasn't even here. Does that make me responsible for slavery?

That said, as a whole, neither whites nor blacks can claim they're guiltfree. Then again, american indians and asians can't say that they never practiced slavery either. Slavery was simply a part of the world. And most whites had nothing to do with it.

slavery never shoulda happened.

why do people always put off african american slavery or degrade it as if were nothing?

Originally posted by Inspectah Deck
why do people always put off african american slavery or degrade it as if were nothing?

Why do people think Africans were the only ones enslaved...ever?

i never said they were the only ones enslaved

And we never said it was nothing.

Originally posted by Kinneary
Whites aren't responsible. Not a single white in America is responsible for slavery. Some of white people's families had a hand in it, but even then, most didn't. Hell, mine wasn't even here. Does that make me responsible for slavery?

That said, as a whole, neither whites nor blacks can claim they're guiltfree. Then again, american indians and asians can't say that they never practiced slavery either. Slavery was simply a part of the world. And most whites had nothing to do with it. Exactly.

And none who are alive today from either the side of the enslaved or the slavers are alive today. People should learn from the past, condemn it as wrong by today's standards only, and let it go.

Originally posted by FistOfThe North
... African Americans were stripped from there land, forced to enter a cold, foreign one, and work for free for half a thousand years in the u.s...

Although not trying to downplay the atrocities of African American Slavery, I feel that you are uninformed in your pursuit of message board justice. Giving you the time periods of 1619-1865, that is 246 years, less then half what you originally claim. Taking it a step further, The United States didn't become a nation until 1776, so this then takes slavery being generally accepted to 89 years. Which in the grand scheme of things is incomparable to the length of time that slavery was and still is legal throughout the world.

The point I'm trying to make here is are you jaded due to your ancestry or do you really care about the plight of the slaves? If you are trying to prove a point or even gain a following I suggest you come prepared with facts other then randomly throwing out inflated numbers just to get a crowd reaction.

Originally posted by Bandito
Although not trying to downplay the atrocities of African American Slavery, I feel that you are uninformed in your pursuit of message board justice. Giving you the time periods of 1619-1865, that is 246 years, less then half what you originally claim. Taking it a step further, The United States didn't become a nation until 1776, so this then takes slavery being generally accepted to 89 years. Which in the grand scheme of things is incomparable to the length of time that slavery was and still is legal throughout the world.

The point I'm trying to make here is are you jaded due to your ancestry or do you really care about the plight of the slaves? If you are trying to prove a point or even gain a following I suggest you come prepared with facts other then randomly throwing out inflated numbers just to get a crowd reaction.

First off, i do really care. What i don't care about are crowd reactions or gathering a following. I could be alone on this matter for all i care and i'd still keep going. Slavery is affective to me. I'm very passionate about it. Or more like pissed the fcuk off about it.

2ndly, when i said the u.s. i meant u.s. soil. And while you're saying i'm inflating numbers, you're actually deflating them. Do you honestly think African-American slavery in the u.s. ended in 1865? If you do then i feel you're the one who is uninformed, sir. The Emancipation Proclamation wasn't effective for a while after it was officiated. And thirdly the African-American slave trade started years before 1619. Stop trying to downplay things. Typical.

Actually, slavery didn't begin on US soil until 1654 and did end in 1865. Sorry, but you are trying to exaggerate things.

If you want to get into indentured servitude we can, of course. But, once again, that's something blacks have no monopoly on.

Originally posted by FistOfThe North
First off, i do really care. What i don't care about are crowd reactions or gathering a following. I could be alone on this matter for all i care and i'd still keep going. Slavery is affective to me. I'm very passionate about it. Or more like pissed the fcuk off about it.

2ndly, when i said the u.s. i meant u.s. soil. And while you're saying i'm inflating numbers, you're actually deflating them. Do you honestly think African-American slavery in the u.s. ended in 1865? If you do then i feel you're the one who is uninformed, sir. The Emancipation Proclamation wasn't effective for a while after it was officiated. And thirdly the African-American slave trade started years before 1619. Stop trying to downplay things. Typical.

That's my point. Be mad about slavery, get pissed about it, but ALL slavery is wrong. More importantly you need to at least seem intelligent enough to argue. You started this entire thread talking about the founders of this country, not the settlers of the land, furthermore once the emancipation proclamation was enacted then yes, slavery was abolished, any slavery that occurred after, was illegal.

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Let me quantify that I am not calling you unitelligent, but the way you are arguing is combative, not based in reality, and offensive to anyone who has any sense of history. If in fact you do want to just lay it on thick, and troll the board then by all means don't let me step in the way.

I also don't understand this whole terminology of ''whites are responsible''. I don't share guilt, being white, of what Anglo-Saxons did to Africans, in the time my people were enslaved for 500 years.

I am, of course not an Anglo-Saxon anyway, nor do I share any history with West Europe at any point, but I am none the less white.

The matter of the fact is - African slavery was bad. It was extreamly bad just like every other slavery on earth, and it was no worse than other attrocities of slavery around the world. And there were many, and there continue to be many today.

Being in America, you have the right to voice your opinion and spit on the country and its founders for what they did to you. And thats great.

However, if you went through what you went through in any other country arond the world, would you hell be allowed to even mention financial reparations from the heads of those countries.

The recent outburst for demand of financial compensation is your privilage, not because your savery was worst than others, but beacuse you're in America.

Originally posted by lil bitchiness
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The recent outburst for demand of financial compensation is your privilage, not because your savery was worst than others, but beacuse you're in America.

Yet no compensation, not even an apology by the federal gov't, whom played the biggest hand in African-American slavery, has been handed out. Our compensation is the racism dished out by most Whites in this country, daily.

I'm mean, the Japs received compensation from the federal gov't over the whole thing with the u.s. nuking the shite out of 'em in wwii. While, during the time, Black-"American citizens" were literally spat on, punched in the face, discriminated hard against, humiliated, & hanged by Whites everyday, all over the u.s., over having a different skin hue.

And the same BS still goes on today in this stupid country with this ****in' majority, with their sh*t American values everyone has to fcukin' conform to. It's just now their racism is a little more indirect or not as blatant towards Blacks now. But it's still there; with it not ever, ever going away.

Originally posted by FistOfThe North
Our compensation is the racism dished out by most Whites in this country, daily. Didn't you say you weren't black?

Originally posted by Bardock42
Didn't you say you weren't black?

I'm non-White. Colored. Samething. My ancestors were from Africa, I can tell you that.

Originally posted by FistOfThe North
I'm non-White. Colored. Samething. My ancestors were from Africa, I can tell you that.

Well, so were everyones....

And why should you get an apology? I mean, I know you weren't a slave....were any of your ancestors?

Originally posted by FistOfThe North
Yet no compensation, not even an apology by the federal gov't, whom played the biggest hand in African-American slavery, has been handed out. Our compensation is the racism dished out by most Whites in this country, daily.

I'm mean, the Japs received compensation from the federal gov't over the whole thing with the u.s. nuking the shite out of 'em in wwii. While, during the time, Black-"American citizens" were literally spat on, punched in the face, discriminated hard against, humiliated, & hanged by Whites everyday, all over the u.s., over having a different skin hue.

And the same BS still goes on today in this stupid country with this ****in' majority, with their sh*t American values everyone has to fcukin' conform to. It's just now their racism is a little more indirect or not as blatant towards Blacks now. But it's still there; with it not ever, ever going away. I'm no expert, but if the U.S. apologized to the Japs, then it was also directed to many Japs who were alive at the time of the bombing and were alive at the apology. Unless there's some 300 year old slave still going somewhere, then where's that apology going?

Firslty, get few things straight.

You stated -

you must talk about them and seek to learn and more importantly, acknowledge your faults and the faults of people like you in ruining other people's lives and all that they come have been up to this point if they hadn't suffer some much injustice

Its the white guilt again, isn't it? We must feel guilty. Well some of us don't.
I am white, and not of anglo-Saxon or even European origin, so in that sense, I don't feel the need to appologize or to feel guilty about your history, as I assume few other people on here as well.

I hate plenty of MY history to feel agrevated and angry about for years to come, and the millions of my people who were killed and enslaved.


What Europeans did was wrong, imperialistic and brutal, but you need to stop indicating how ''white people'' need to appologise and feel the guilt.
People alive today in America had nothing directly to do with enslaving your people.

What you need to deal with is NOW. So prejudices NOW. Not what was done to you ew hundred years ago by those people.
It is about today. And if you keep indicating that all your troubles are still in slavery, then you are not aware of the real problems.

The blame game is old and counterproductive. It does not bring anything constructive to any of black people's lives, it does not deal with real issues and encourages further divisions.

Is there racism - yes yes there is! Thats what needs to be dealt with.

It not about the blame game, it not about white guilt, as a white person in today's world, you may be incapable of recognizing how the then, affects the now, and that is sad. You may be too concern about what's convenient for people like you, it not about you or people like you. You need to stop talking like white people are a victim of other's foolish mindset, you are not getting what you can from this, a way of seeing things, that has been perhaps en-grained won't let you.

Never try to tell or ask a person to forget something like that in their past, you don't have that right, it so disrespectful, among alot of other things. Do you think your feelings or people like you feelings are more important, do you think that writing laws to give people rights forty years ago, with those rights being dishonored all the time for the first twenty years afters and up to this time in someway corrects the damage or offensives done even since they got those rights. The injustices towards black people are still going, and it's all based on perceptions of them established during this past.

The factors set in place that still cause them to suffer around the whole world and it being seen as okay were setup in their past, all of this not done by them but a result of other peoples who are still profiting from their misery, at the expense of heir families or communities. A civilized man recognizes his actions, for his own benefit and the benefit of society, an uncivilized man does anything without regard to the consequences.

Originally posted by Glimmerone
... you are not getting what you can from this, a way of seeing things, ...

This is key right here, you are not getting it either. You are not seeing it from the other side, only from yours.




Once again it is not alone your past, it is everyones past. And as the term implies it already happened, which is why it is the PAST



I cannot decide where you are coming from you hop around saying it's not about the whole world, but about The U.S. then you go back to the whole world. Pick a topic and stand to it.

The majority of all these posts have said the same thing, slavery was and is bad, yet only 2 main posters actually go so far as to put blame on people today. This is as blameless as it can get, no one alive today actively held, sold, bought or mistreated slaves (Black, as they seem to be the only ones worth mentioning apparently). Blame the past, blame OUR forefathers, but get over it, and work to improve your life today, and those around you.

/rantoff

I'd like to ask the black members who advocate 'white guilt'.

Because my family did not arrive here during slavery, does that mean that I, as a white American, can feel guilt free for it?

Another question. If my father and grandfather were murderers, should I feel guilty because of what they did?

My Life is improved, I'm doing quite well and there's nothing for me to get over. I respect people, no matter where they come from, because I understand who we all really are, you all seem to be focus on the white guilt, blame game, and you' seem to only want to hear what you are comfortable with hearing. That's not what I speak for, if you read the post without a defensive angle of thought, you'll see what i'm pointing to, its beneath the surface of the words, it base on understanding and thinking abilities.

Also, I only have one overall stand, the references to things outside of america points to how what happen here has of course reach into other places to influence peoples view of African Americans. Once more for minds that can't see, I'm looking at the whole picture, the way it is, I see much of the good and I know of the bad, my views are not based on a narrow thought pattern or on just what makes people comfortable.

I don't post to gain people's approval or favor and african Americans don't need white people to feel guilt or their approval to feel good, and move on with their lives, they have always moved on, always seeked just to live in peace without interference. However, you'll can't expect for other people to shut-up and take what you want to give them, just so that you can have what you want, and that's what it always been about in america for African Americans and any peoples or person who wants a quality life would be a fool if they didn't people up or at in their own behalf in those circumstances.

There have been improvements and that's okay, but there's still so much to get done. Continous improvement is necessary, not just 1 phrase of its better and so be happy. In order for a nation to be truly productive, it must continue to invest in the quality of life for all its citizens, this will serve to undo a lot of negatives and open the way to enhancing the overall quality of living for everyone in the country.

Originally posted by Glimmerone
There have been improvements and that's okay, but there's still so much to get done. Continous improvement is necessary, not just 1 phrase of its better and so be happy. In order for a nation to be truly productive, it must continue to invest in the quality of life for all its citizens, this will serve to undo a lot of negatives and open the way to enhancing the overall quality of living for everyone in the country.

Your pacifist views are understandable to me. MLK was one and he was a good man. His ideas, or his so called "dream", were extremely unrealistic, but he was a good man none the less. I can understand how you can move on despite, and possibly ignore, what's going on in this country. The thing is Glimmerone, some people cannot go through the daily indignations Blacks go through, in this country, (of all countries) all the time, as smoothly as you can. Some of us won't stay down and stand for it. That "just move on and ignore the fact that they're calling you n*gg*r or that you're being discriminated against" b.s. doesn't fly with some people, man. It shouldn't fly in the US. Whites aren't the only rightful American citizens in this country. And i'm gonna continue letting it be known that the sh*t is a problem. To create awareness that even today, in the future, after everything, racism still exists in this country and that it has to at least cool down.

Racism is unnecessary, to me. It's not smart, business wise and socially. Yet you have all these know it all separatist mf's and the "good 'ol boys" whom still have that racism mentality they pass on in one form or another, directly and indirectly, to peers, friends and family members.

Then non-whites are lashed out with hidden racism by Whites for not being White or at least not acting White -which i don't know how people can do that, how they can sellout like that-

For you ignorance may be bliss but you have to face reality, confront it, deal with it the best way you can, as long as it's at least to quell if not stop it, and pass the word on with the intent of making people act.

If ignorance is bliss why would he want to confront it?

I'm not a pacifist Fist-of-North Star, and I do not accept the mistreatment of people of african descent as something lightly. I am not one of those people who feels that as long as I'm doing well, that's all that matters.

I was trying to do something that's quite difficult to do sometimes with people and that's reason with them, so they may see beyond what they believe and what they want you to believe, because having someone believe what they want is less threatening to them, so their comfortable with it.

My last two comments were directed towards the posters that responded to what I said and their repetituous use of the white guilt, blame game theory that they kept using in dealing with comments that they didn't want to hear, in an effort to make me feel and think that such comments like I made were misplaced, when of course they are not only appropriate but there is a continued need for them, making them quite necessary.

Your last post is correct on the way things are and I think most people know that, but they really don't want things to change, they just want the appeareance of change, and for African Americans to just be quiet and stop speaking up or fighting back, which is something that will never happen, black people will always express themselves and fight for what they know is right, its there God given natural right.

As I mentioned, thinks have improved in some areas, but they haven't changed, there's a long way to go and lots of people who just want things to remain a certain way, so they can limit and exploit others because they hold all the political power, media power and wealth, and don't want any sizable amount of that to change. Read my previous posts, the first two of them and maybe you'll see more of what I was saying.

Originally posted by Bardock42
Well, so were everyones....

And why should you get an apology? I mean, I know you weren't a slave....were any of your ancestors?

No kidding, that's ridiculous.

Why should I have to apologize to the entire African American race for something NO ONE in my family did. F*ck, my family didn't even come to America until the 1990s!

So, if I have apologize for something some people, in a country my ancestry had nothing to do with, did just because they're the same race as me, shouldn't every African America have to apologize to America as well for committing 54.4% of the the murder in the country even though they take up only 12.5% of the population?

BS

Amen.

Amen my a$$. You want some raw facts? White commit more murders, in this coutry, than any other race.

There are more White people in prison, in this country, than any other race. The majority of crimes in the U.S. are commited by Whites mostly.

Now come with your per-capita crap now.

The whites are also, what, three times larger than even the biggest minority group? The fact that a black man is more likely to kill or commit a hate crime than a white man isn't something blacks should apologize for?

What about the fact that majority African-Americans usually live in MUCH, MUCH poorer conditions and places, and thus are more prone to resort into crime as their last option?

Originally posted by FistOfThe North
Amen my a$$. You want some raw facts? White commit more murders, in this coutry, than any other race.

There are more White people in prison, in this country, than any other race. The majority of crimes in the U.S. are commited by Whites mostly.

Now come with your per-capita crap now. Hypothesis: There are 100 white men to only 25 black men. 20% of each group are criminals. That means 20 white criminals to 5 black criminals.

Numerically, it's uneven, check out the U.S. ethnic demographic Census next time.

I would like to say, once again, that I'm black yet even I think it's stupid to condone white people now for what people did a HUNDRED years ago. FFS you lazy bastards, get a freaking job and stop complaining about how "The man' is bringing you down.

The Government ignores Black People...

... the same way most black wannabe gang bangers ignore and condone the government, all in an effort to look "cool".

White people unjustly don't trust black people...

the same way black people have anatural distrust for white people, and as a result a large amount of black people are extremely racist and perform hate crimes.

You're all just as guilty for the way the world is as anyone else. Get your acts together "my niggaz".

Originally posted by Blaxican
I would like to say, once again, that I'm black yet even I think it's stupid to condone white people now for what people did a HUNDRED years ago. FFS you lazy bastards, get a freaking job and stop complaining about how "The man' is bringing you down.

The Government ignores Black People...

... the same way most black wannabe gang bangers ignore and condone the government, all in an effort to look "cool".

White people unjustly don't trust black people...

the same way black people have anatural distrust for white people, and as a result a large amount of black people are extremely racist and perform hate crimes.

You're all just as guilty for the way the world is as anyone else. Get your acts together "my niggaz".

Sounds like you're eyes are sown, brother. If you don't think Blacks aren't still dicriminated against by mostly all whites in this country, then you have another thing coming.

Not only does he have another thing coming, but he's probably pretending to be black and he's saying exactly the kind of things white people say to try to avoid their flaws, the historical ones, and the present ones, by blaming the people they mistreat for the conditions they put those people in, and for the continued problems those people have due to being somewhat stuck in that condition or having a hard time getting of of it.

White people do a lot of things through their political power and their control of most of world wealth(through mediums established during colonial times) to set other people up for failure and create problems in their communities then they talk badly about those people in magazines, television, and other avenues of disseminating messages.

When the people who have control of all the resources in a country don't want anyone else besides the people in their group to have anything, since they feel that other people might do better than them or become self-sufficient, that's when you have so many of the problems we have in the united states.

Poverty is used like a weapon in the united states, a tool to keep peoples poor, hungry and unable to improve themselves. The powers- that-be know that in order to have more, some of the people living in terrible conditions may be willing to break a law in order to get what they need want or just to feel/experience something other than the extreme hardships of Poverty and when they do, they will be arrested and put away, which is where they may feel those darker people should be anyway, locked away and branded for life a criminal.

They are still doing the same things they've always done to black people, not giving them any help, underfunding their communities, blaming black people for all that's negative by writing and showing on TV the most negative things all the time, when there are many more positive things that black people are doing, and they act like black people aren't even united states citizens, like if the black people need assistance they have to fix and find a helping hand among themselves, when a government is supposed to help its citizens, since they belong to the country.

Black people are greatly neglected in America, even the ones who do well, find that their success is often used as a scapegoat to not help black people as a whole, by the people who control this country. They will often said things like, so and so black person is doing good, these other ones need to be quiet, stop being lazy and get out and do something.

We know that one black person's success doesn't mean that some other black person could do the same, based on their talent or on social economics factors that have a sizable amount of black people living in Poverty, who always lived in Poverty since they came in the country centuries ago and don't have the ability to do better, and so need help from their government and funding, not negative statistics and reports based on a condition they didn't create for themselves, Poverty.
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"Pretending to be black"?

**** you.

Originally posted by Glimmerone
Not only does he have another thing coming, but he's probably pretending to be black and he's saying exactly the kind of things white people say to try to avoid their flaws, the historical ones, and the present ones, by blaming the people they mistreat for the conditions they put those people in, and for the continued problems those people have due to being somewhat stuck in that condition or having a hard time getting of of it.

White people do a lot of things through their political power and their control of most of world wealth(through mediums established during colonial times) to set other people up for failure and create problems in their communities then they talk badly about those people in magazines, television, and other avenues of disseminating messages.

When the people who have control of all the resources in a country don't want anyone else besides the people in their group to have anything, since they feel that other people might do better than them or become self-sufficient, that's when you have so many of the problems we have in the united states.

Poverty is used like a weapon in the united states, a tool to keep peoples poor, hungry and unable to improve themselves. The powers- that-be know that in order to have more, some of the people living in terrible conditions may be willing to break a law in order to get what they need want or just to feel/experience something other than the extreme hardships of Poverty and when they do, they will be arrested and put away, which is where they may feel those darker people should be anyway, locked away and branded for life a criminal.

They are still doing the same things they've always done to black people, not giving them any help, underfunding their communities, blaming black people for all that's negative by writing and showing on TV the most negative things all the time, when there are many more positive things that black people are doing, and they act like black people aren't even united states citizens, like if the black people need assistance they have to fix and find a helping hand among themselves, when a government is supposed to help its citizens, since they belong to the country.

Black people are greatly neglected in America, even the ones who do well, find that their success is often used as a scapegoat to not help black people as a whole, by the people who control this country. They will often said things like, so and so black person is doing good, these other ones need to be quiet, stop being lazy and get out and do something.

We know that one black person's success doesn't mean that some other black person could do the same, based on their talent or on social economics factors that have a sizable amount of black people living in Poverty, who always lived in Poverty since they came in the country centuries ago and don't have the ability to do better, and so need help from their government and funding, not negative statistics and reports based on a condition they didn't create for themselves, Poverty.
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Right on...These racist Whites need to stop telling Blacks to forget slavery ever happened. To just "move on and let it go". That the 100 years of discriminstion (1865-1965), seperatism and murder is in the past. Forget that. They'll "never forget" 9/11 will they? The nerve of them.

Originally posted by FistOfThe North
Right on...These racist Whites need to stop telling Blacks to forget slavery ever happened. To just "move on and let it go". That the 100 years of discriminstion (1865-1965), seperatism and murder is in the past. Forget that. They'll "never forget" 9/11 will they? The nerve of them.

You are ignorant. Now I don't say that lightly, but anyone with any sense at all after reading all your posts in this thread must come to the same conclusion. The "they'll never forget 9/11" quote is the epitome of this. "Whites", as you so elegantly put it were not the only ones to die in the 9/11 attacks, so by saying they will never forget I conclude that you are not American. This is ok, I have no problems with this, but why the hell are you arguing against American slavery, when it does not apply to you. If you are in fact American, then once again you are proving your ignorance.

Read back through this thread, and see who keeps bringing up race, and blame. It's you, you cannot get past this, you are the racist.

But I do see that you have changed your earlier statements about centuries of mistreatment to 100 years. Maybe there is still some hope for you, but I personally doubt it.

Originally posted by FistOfThe North
Right on...These racist Whites need to stop telling Blacks to forget slavery ever happened. To just "move on and let it go". That the 100 years of discriminstion (1865-1965), seperatism and murder is in the past. Forget that. They'll "never forget" 9/11 will they? The nerve of them. These "racist whites"? And you still claim that you're not racist?

Originally posted by FistOfThe North
Right on...These racist Whites need to stop telling Blacks to forget slavery ever happened. To just "move on and let it go". That the 100 years of discriminstion (1865-1965), seperatism and murder is in the past. Forget that. They'll "never forget" 9/11 will they? The nerve of them. Can you say hypocrite?

Originally posted by Bandito
You are ignorant. Now I don't say that lightly, but anyone with any sense at all after reading all your posts in this thread must come to the same conclusion. The "they'll never forget 9/11" quote is the epitome of this. "Whites", as you so elegantly put it were not the only ones to die in the 9/11 attacks, so by saying they will never forget I conclude that you are not American. This is ok, I have no problems with this, but why the hell are you arguing against American slavery, when it does not apply to you. If you are in fact American, then once again you are proving your ignorance.

Read back through this thread, and see who keeps bringing up race, and blame. It's you, you cannot get past this, you are the racist.

But I do see that you have changed your earlier statements about centuries of mistreatment to 100 years. Maybe there is still some hope for you, but I personally doubt it.

Most of the people who died on 9/11 were American but still White. It was an attack on America; it's administration whom is predominantly White, anyway that's not the point. You mostly hear White wail "We'll never forget!" And i say why not. Whites would easily and casually tell Blacks to forget about what happened to the majority of their people in this country during it's formation yet Whites should "never forget".. fcuk that.

African American slavery does apply to me. I'm a descendant of slaves. And i'm not to excited about it. Don't get it confused with shame, i'm pissed off at what they may've one through at the hands of her slave owner. Whom was White by the way. We (my family) went through whole genealogy process on our own with records and family trees and with private help just to triple-check, just in-case. So don't ell me sh*t about it not applying to me especially with what's going on today. There's a mental slave grip in this country alot of minorities know about but are either too afraid or too weak to point out exactly.

And just because you can read and write sentences doesn't mean you can comprehend them, Bandito. Don't believe that cause If you took the time to comprehend you would've seen that i haven't changed anything of what i have written earlier.

In fact if you read what you claim was a change you'd see i said 100 years of discrimination from (1865-1965). Remember 1865? When slavery in the U.S. supposedly ended? Ok then.

Originally posted by Darth Macabre
These "racist whites"? And you still claim that you're not racist?

How is saying "racist Whites" being a racist? When I say that it's what i exactly mean.; The Whites that are racist "only". I believe that not all Whites are racist. I could see your point if i said "all Whites are racist" but since you seem allergic to logic, you didn't catch it. Put your emotions aside and at least attempt comprehend posts first before replying to them.

It'll save you time and alot more in the long run.

Originally posted by Tangible God
Can you say hypocrite?


And can you say how? Rather than spilling out garbage and not picking it up by not backing up you're one-liners?

Originally posted by FistOfThe North
And can you say how? Rather than spilling out garbage and not picking it up by not backing up you're one-liners? Call me Rodney Dangerfield reincarnated.

You're typecasting those whites who say blacks should forget the past, as racist. We're hardly displaying acts of white supremacy, we're just advising you to let go of a sad time which occurred 300 years ago to people who died long ago. According to Webster's definition of racist, no white who simply states "Forget it," can be called racist. Typecasting and stereotyping those who say it as racist, is itself, rather racist.

Originally posted by FistOfThe North
How is saying "racist Whites" being a racist? When I say that it's what i exactly mean.; The Whites that are racist "only". I believe that not all Whites are racist. I could see your point if i said "all Whites are racist" but since you seem allergic to logic, you didn't catch it. Put your emotions aside and at least attempt comprehend posts first before replying to them.

It'll save you time and alot more in the long run. First off, how do you know ANYONE in here is actually white? You automatically implying that they're white makes you racist, sweetie. And second, how can you consider anyone in here racist? When, in fact, they've never shown to have or agreed with racism and racists?

You see: "These Racist Whites" implies that A) they're white and B) they're racist because they don't agree with you ranting and raving about something that is just a blip in the history of mankind. So again, you still think you're not racist?

Originally posted by FistOfThe North
Most of the people who died on 9/11 were American but still White. It was an attack on America; it's administration whom is predominantly White, anyway that's not the point. You mostly hear White wail "We'll never forget!" And i say why not. Whites would easily and casually tell Blacks to forget about what happened to the majority of their people in this country during it's formation yet Whites should "never forget".. fcuk that.

African American slavery does apply to me. I'm a descendant of slaves. And i'm not to excited about it. Don't get it confused with shame, i'm pissed off at what they may've one through at the hands of her slave owner. Whom was White by the way. We (my family) went through whole genealogy process on our own with records and family trees and with private help just to triple-check, just in-case. So don't ell me sh*t about it not applying to me especially with what's going on today. There's a mental slave grip in this country alot of minorities know about but are either too afraid or too weak to point out exactly.

And just because you can read and write sentences doesn't mean you can comprehend them, Bandito. Don't believe that cause If you took the time to comprehend you would've seen that i haven't changed anything of what i have written earlier.

In fact if you read what you claim was a change you'd see i said 100 years of discrimination from (1865-1965). Remember 1865? When slavery in the U.S. supposedly ended? Ok then.

I am glad that you responded to me, this is the best you have explained yourself thus far. So you are anti-white? How is this not racist? I personally don't care what your beliefs are I would just like for you to be honest with yourself, as it is blatantly obvious to everyone who has read your posts.

As for your straying from topics it holds true, you originally were against slavery, and now you're against discrimination. Black discrimination actually, you seem to not care about the Native Americans, Jews, Irish, Muslims, Japanese, the list can continue forever. So why should we care about your "discrimination".

Originally posted by FistOfThe North
Yet no compensation, not even an apology by the federal gov't, whom played the biggest hand in African-American slavery, has been handed out. Our compensation is the racism dished out by most Whites in this country, daily.



That's is just plain false, In 1822 the American Colonization Society with support of the American Government, established the Republic of Liberia as a colony for free slaves.

Here's and apology for lynching

Here's an apology for slavery

I admitt, the United States was unjust to african americans and that's just to putting it lightly. Even wheh slavery was abolished at the end of the Civil War, the United States government felt it necessary to give white slaveowners reparations for the loss of their labor force. But, what your saying Fist of The North Star is ridicules.

NO one sees what i see. All i see is people on this thread calling me a racist or anti-White. It pains me to hear that cause i'm neither of the 2. I'm anti-racist. But most of the racism dished out on me, for no reason, is done only by Whites. Yet i'm called a racist for being called a n*gger, in 2007, in the U.S., and then saying something about it.

sucks.

Originally posted by Tangible God
Call me Rodney Dangerfield reincarnated.

You're typecasting those whites who say blacks should forget the past, as racist. We're hardly displaying acts of white supremacy, we're just advising you to let go of a sad time which occurred 300 years ago to people who died long ago. According to Webster's definition of racist, no white who simply states "Forget it," can be called racist. Typecasting and stereotyping those who say it as racist, is itself, rather racist.

There has to be an element of racism in them if you have the balls to say that. Do you know how painful it may be for someone to hear "just forget slavery happened"?. How about forget 9/11 happened. It's inconsiderate and disrespectful as hell. It's like telling a teenager or an adult to forget he was raped by a priest because it happened such a long time ago. To just forget it happened. How hurt and infuriated would that dude or woman be..

To say forget slavery happened, and pretend it didn't exist is to say it with racist malintention.

Originally posted by Darth Macabre
First off, how do you know ANYONE in here is actually white? You automatically implying that they're white makes you racist, sweetie. And second, how can you consider anyone in here racist? When, in fact, they've never shown to have or agreed with racism and racists?

You see: "These Racist Whites" implies that A) they're white and B) they're racist because they don't agree with you ranting and raving about something that is just a blip in the history of mankind. So again, you still think you're not racist?

? hu...

Did i say "everyone on here was White". No.

Have i said "if you're White you're a racist". No

Did i consider everyone one here a racist? No.

lol?

I think the people on here are racist because they dont agree with me?

lol wft? what are you talking about...try again but this time try thinking about what you're going to write first. Lets try that... k?

Originally posted by FistOfThe North
There has to be an element of racism in them if you have the balls to say that. Do you know how painful it may be for someone to hear "just forget slavery happened"?. How about forget 9/11 happened. It's inconsiderate and disrespectful as hell. It's like telling a teenager or an adult to forget he was raped by a priest because it happened such a long time ago. To just forget it happened. How hurt and infuriated would that dude or woman be..

To say forget slavery happened, and pretend it didn't exist is to say it with racist malintention. Bad terminology then.

Don't forget. Learn from it, but put it behind you. That seems to be something many blacks, and even a lot of whites, can't seem to do.

9/11 was 5 and a half years ago (blacks, whites, Asian and Hispanics died there). That man was molested by the priest 20 years ago. Point is, he's still alive and everyone who witnessed or experienced 9/11 is still alive.

The slaves, slavers and slave owners are long dead, and unless they were celebrities, long since forgotten as individuals.

Dwelling on the past, feeling sorry for your dead ancestors and being unable to put a few centuries in between you doesn't promote progress, mentally or socially. I'm from Scotland, apparently half my clan was slaughtered by another during the middle ages. But I don't care. Why? Because I'm alive, they're dead, and there's 800 years in between us.

So unless you want to start publicly mourning and blaming for the grievances throughout human history, let the past go. Remember it, but don't let dead men you've never known or met determine the future. And if you continue the blame game, it won't be a pretty future either.

Originally posted by Bandito
So you are anti-white? How is this not racist? I personally don't care what your beliefs are I would just like for you to be honest with yourself, as it is blatantly obvious to everyone who has read your posts.

As for your straying from topics it holds true, you originally were against slavery, and now you're against discrimination. Black discrimination actually, you seem to not care about the Native Americans, Jews, Irish, Muslims, Japanese, the list can continue forever. So why should we care about your "discrimination".

I am honest with myself. But i'm now convinced that my honesty is obviously being misunderstood, on purpose.

Look. Again, I'm not anti-White. (for the dozenth time this week) . I am anti-racist. But the racist that is spewed onto me comes out of the mouths of Whites only. No lie.

It sucks, hard, knowing that being honest like this, and saying this, makes me a racist.

Again, not all White people are racist but so far all the racism i've encountered has been dished out by Whites..

I'm (We) are not asking you or Whites to care about our discrimination and i do care about what the Native Americans, Jews, Japanese and Muslims unnecessarily went through on this planet at the hand of Euro-American Whites early on. Irish, meh. Not really them. I've been called a n*gg*r by Irish people so much in my life.

All i want is to just stopped being called a n*gg*r by Whites, for no reason.

that's all i want, i swear.

Originally posted by FistOfThe North
I am honest with myself. But i'm now convinced that my honesty is obviously being misunderstood, on purpose.

Look. Again, I'm not anti-White. (for the dozenth time this week) . I am anti-racist. But the racist that is spewed onto me comes out of the mouths of Whites only. No lie.

It sucks, hard, knowing that being honest like this, and saying this, makes me a racist.



Sounds to me like you've been truamatized by racism throughout your life and your opinions are those of a deluded individual.

Deluded? You mean out-spoken. Why do Whites always try to convince non-Whites that what they're going through is in their head. That's there is no racism, no discrimination, no bigotry, no slavery.

I blame some minorities too, for being so fcukin' stupid for falling for it. Sh*t gets me mad..lol

Originally posted by FistOfThe North
Deluded? You mean out-spoken. Why do Whites always try to convince non-Whites that what they're going through is in their head. That's there is no racism, no discrimination, no bigotry, no slavery.

I blame some minorities too, for being so fcukin' stupid for falling for it. Sh*t gets me mad..lol

No, I mean deluded, your post are a clear indicator of that. Honestly, have you read what you posted?

Originally posted by Emperor Ashtar
No, I mean deluded, your post are a clear indicator of that. Honestly, have you read what you posted?



I think you'd love for me to be delusional, more like it.

My posts are deluded? Meaning I'm being delusional. Meaning i'm just hearing and seeing and making up sh*t and posting it on here. How do you know what I'm going through.

What i'm going through with this unnecessary bs, what i see everyday, and what i hear is real. I never have and never will lie to anyone on here.

Originally posted by FistOfThe North
I think you'd love for me to be delusional, more like it.

My posts are deluded? Meaning I'm being delusional. Meaning i'm just hearing and seeing and making up sh*t and posting it on here. How do you know what I'm going through.

Where exactly did I say you make stuff up, I said your post seem that of an delusional individual.

Originally posted by FistOfThe North

What i'm going through with this unnecessary bs, what i see everyday, and what i hear is real. I never have and never will lie to anyone on here.

Get over yourself, your not the only one with problems. Your acting as if racism is only experienced by people of darker skin or worst yourself. Racism is a wide spread pathological mind set, don't be surprised that you see it more often than once. That doesn't mean you have to generalize one gruop because of the action of a minority.

Originally posted by Emperor Ashtar
Where exactly did I say you make stuff up, I said your post seem that of an delusional individual.



Get over yourself, your not the only one with problems. Your acting as if racism is only experienced by people of darker skin or worst yourself. Racism is a wide spread pathological mind set, don't be surprised that you see it more often than once. That doesn't mean you have to generalize one group because of the action of a minority.

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I don't know if it's my passion you're mistaking my being delusional with but a delusional individual is a person with an illness whom sees and hears things that he doesn't comprehend but tries to resulting in reacting or responding irrationally by resiting reason or fact. This is who you think i'm am? W/e man.

Get over myself? I'm sorry but on the contrary I think I speak for a whole bunch of people. I think i'm being very unselfish.

And you're right, i am generalizing a group that deserves to be look at that way. And that group is racist people. Not White people. Racist people.

I don't get it. What don't understand ......? And how is that being delusional?

Originally posted by FistOfThe North
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Get over myself? I'm sorry but on the contrary I think I speak for a whole bunch of people. I think i'm being very unselfish.

Your being redicules, your not the representatitve of everyone who has the same skin tone as you.


Originally posted by FistOfThe North
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And you're right, i am generalizing a group that deserves to be look at that way. And that group is racist people. Not White people. Racist people.

I don't get it. What don't understand ......? And how is that being delusional?

First it's white people, now it's racist people. Man, you really have no idea what your saying =/

Originally posted by Emperor Ashtar
Your being redicules, your not the representatitve of everyone who has the same skin tone as you.

First it's white people, now it's racist people. Man, you really have no idea what your saying =/

But I do represent people whom are going through the bs. You don't understand. You wouldn't.

First it's White people.. ok? Yea i've been mentioning White people from the get go.

Like i said, not all Whites are racist, but the majority of people whom i've seem practice racism on me were always White. How am i being delusion or ridiculous or racist because of that. Because of a fact that I'm going through.

Stop being stubborn and finally realize that i'm not being what you think i am. Cause you're wrong.

Originally posted by FistOfThe North
But I do represent people whom are going through the bs. You don't understand. You wouldn't.

Who appointed, seriously like I said get over yourself. Your delusions of grandeur are as I said ridicules.

Originally posted by FistOfThe North

First it's White people.. ok? Yea i've been mentioning White people from the get go.

Like i said, not all Whites are racist, but the majority of people whom i've seem practice racism on me were always White.

Here we go again, just because you've encountered racism from whites doesn't mean the majority of whites is racist.

Originally posted by FistOfThe North

How am i being delusion or ridiculous or racist because of that. Because of a fact that I'm going through.

Stop being stubborn and finally realize that i'm not being what you think i am. Cause you're wrong.

Sounds like your personifying your personal problems into an external aggressor A.K.A. the white man.

Originally posted by Emperor Ashtar
Who appointed, seriously like I said get over yourself. Your delusions of grandeur are as I said ridicules.

Here we go again, just because you've encountered racism from whites doesn't mean the majority of whites is racist.

Sounds like your personifying your personal problems into an external aggressor A.K.A. the white man.

No one appointed me. I'm the self appointed, unofficial spokesman. If i speak for no one, which wasn't and isn't my intention, then i speak for myself them.

And are you serious? I never said that the majority of Whites are racist.. When have I said that? Can you post the evidence. Please don't mis-quote me without providing proof. Don't do that.

And again. (sighs) I have no problem with "The White Man" i have a problem with the racist man. C'mon, your not this....lol you're kidding right? Are you pretending not to get it or what.

Originally posted by FistOfThe North


And are you serious? I never said that the majority of Whites are racist.. When have I said that? Can you post the evidence. Please don't mis-quote me without providing proof. Don't do that.

You've seemed to imply with your rants, so, I assumed that's what you mean

Originally posted by FistOfThe North

And again. (sighs) I have no problem with "The White Man" i have a problem with the racist man. C'mon, your not this....lol you're kidding right? Are you pretending not to get it or what.

North Star, first you said most of your encounters with racism were from whites.

Then you generalized whites in this post:
Originally posted by FistOfThe North

Whites would easily and casually tell Blacks to forget about what happened to the majority of their people in this country during it's formation yet Whites should "never forget".. fcuk that.

And again

Originally posted by FistOfThe North
Whites to care about our discrimination

So, how a, I supposed to keep up when your all over the place?

Originally posted by Emperor Ashtar
You've seemed to imply with your rants, so, I assumed that's what you mean



North Star, first you said most of your encounters with racism were from whites.



Now they're rants. First I sounded like a delusional individual and now they're rants. You're a nonsensical person. It's what happens when you assume to much, i guess.

Mostly all of my racial encounters were/are from Whites? And that's a fact. How am i being racist for going through that fact. The majority of Whites i know are cool but the majority of people who are racist towards me are White. It's not a matter of opinion, it's a matter of fact. Whether you feel emotional about it or not, my experiences doesn't make me a racist.

Why do you keep throwing random and untrue illogical bs at me.

Originally posted by FistOfThe North
Now they're rants. First I sounded like a delusional individual and now they're rants. You're a nonsensical person. It's what happens when you assume to much, i guess.
But, still do sound delusional, like the way you try represent all blacks.

Originally posted by FistOfThe North

Mostly all of my racial encounters were/are from Whites? And that's a fact. How am i being racist for going through that fact.

When did I call you a racist?


Originally posted by FistOfThe North

The majority of Whites i know are cool but the majority of people who are racist towards me are White. It's not a matter of opinion, it's a matter of fact. Whether you feel emotional about it or not, my experiences doesn't make me a racist.

But, your emotions do effect your judgement. That's most likely why your generalizing so much and again, when did I call you a racist?



Originally posted by FistOfThe North

Why do you keep throwing random and untrue illogical bs at me.
Because of your post. . .

I getting ready to give up with you. You're being extremely incomprehensible. On top of i hate having to reexplain myself with every other post.

Originally posted by FistOfThe North
I getting ready to give up with you. You're being extremely incomprehensible. On top of i hate having to reexplain myself with every other post. What part of, "stop generalizing" can't you comprehend. Because I've stated and implyed this so many times.

Originally posted by Emperor Ashtar
What part of, "stop generalizing" can't you comprehend. Because I've stated and implyed this so many times.

But who am i generalizing!?

The only group of people i'm generalizing are racist people. Not Black or White people. Do you understand?

Originally posted by FistOfThe North
But who am i generalizing!?

The only group of people i'm generalizing are racist people. Not Black or White people. Do you understand? I know far more racist blacks than I do racist whites, and I live in Indiana

Originally posted by FistOfThe North
But who am i generalizing!?

The only group of people i'm generalizing are racist people. Not Black or White people. Do you understand?

Jesus, do you read what you post. You generalized whites twice so far.

Don't mind FOTN, his emotions have affected his judgment. He's starting to nitpick, that's a sure sign he's run out of new material to argue with, goes with any debate, same with when you start ignoring facts that have been thrown at your face.

Originally posted by Strangelove
I know far more racist blacks than I do racist whites, and I live in Indiana

As open-minded as i am, why do i, or any other regular person, for that matter, find that hard to believe?

Originally posted by Tangible God
Don't mind FOTN, his emotions have affected his judgment. He's starting to nitpick, that's a sure sign he's run out of new material to argue with, goes with any debate, same with when you start ignoring facts that have been thrown at your face.

New material. I mostly, and/or most of the time only discuss this issue. Wtf are you talking about?

He's the one ignoring fact just like your avoiding being coherent.

Originally posted by FistOfThe North
New material. I mostly, and/or most of the time only discuss this issue. Wtf are you talking about?

He's the one ignoring fact just like your avoiding being coherent. I was just bored. The argument was going in circles. Read my last post on the last page.

Originally posted by FistOfThe North
As open-minded as i am, why do i, or any other regular person, for that matter, find that hard to believe? I'm not sure why you don't believe it, but it's true.

And you're most definitely not open-minded

I actually think what happened to Christians for over a thousand years is probably the worst genocide ever. Although every branch in its own way is responsible for some war crime of its own.

Really the Mexican War has led to the most drama in American History. What those red necks did to people who had nothing to do with them is downright criminal.

Now I am an American. But even I realize what happened to Mexico is wrong. At one time it was a place of strength and beauty with some of the mightiest civilizations on Earth.

Then the Spanish decide to come and steal the people's land, resources and raping the indigenous people. The people who were born there were oppressed by the Spanish "much worse then the colonies were by the King of England" so they fought back and took their freedom.

Once they were free the United States invaded their country by slowly immigrating their and becoming citizens. However they refused to learn spanish, free their slaves and fit into the society that the Holy Roman Empire had set up for well over a thousand years.

It pisses me off when people ***** about Mexicans coming into the United States and refusing to learn English and slowly taking over by actually having children. Their offspring become citizens and they take back the land that was originally theirs to begin with.

The US and Santa Anna are the worst part of our history.

Originally posted by Cosmo Kramer
It pisses me off when people ***** about Mexicans coming into the United States and refusing to learn English and slowly taking over by actually having children. Their offspring become citizens and they take back the land that was originally theirs to begin with. If they stopped before Oklahoma and Oregon borders, I'd totally agree with you.

You guys should read "Uncle Tom's cabin" it is a good exsample how slaves were treated and alittle history being that it was written during that time.jm

Originally posted by Cosmo Kramer
I actually think what happened to Christians for over a thousand years is probably the worst genocide ever. Although every branch in its own way is responsible for some war crime of its own.


What genocide against Christians would that be then?

Maybe he means the early Roman persecutions.

I actually do feel that African American people are right to be upset, they should forever be upset. If All of your Ancestors were bought, and dragged across the waters to live as slaves, not allowed to exist for any other reason, unless you were a female slave, which slave owners used so that they could "Breed" more slaves adding to their Wealth.

And keep in mind that the women had no choice, they were Raped.

Who wouldnt be upset?

Originally posted by Penelope
I actually do feel that African American people are right to be upset, they should forever be upset.

Why does it have to be about race at all? We're all human here. It was a horrible thing for one human to do to another. Kidnapping and holding in slavery against someone's will is wrong no matter which race you are.

It's f*ckin' horrible to enslave fellow humans.

But as African slavery in America no longer exists, and everyone involved in it has been reduced to their baser elements, can the present living generations not put it behind them and move on with our sad, pathetic little lives?

Originally posted by Tangible God
Maybe he means the early Roman persecutions.

I would hardly call that one of the worst genocide's in history. If you could even classify it as such, most historians believe that the death toll amongst Christians in that time was heavily overrated, and it certainly does not come close to anything Christians did later on in the existence of the religion.

It also has very little to do with "African American" slavery at all.



Completely agree with this.

Originally posted by Fishy
I would hardly call that one of the worst genocide's in history. If you could even classify it as such, most historians believe that the death toll amongst Christians in that time was heavily overrated, and it certainly does not come close to anything Christians did later on in the existence of the religion.

It also has very little to do with "African American" slavery at all.
Huh, didn't know that. Then maybe the Turks slaughter of Christians then. At least I think it was the Turks.

Should I still be upset about persecution of my ancestors (the Irish) by the English?

Originally posted by Tangible God
Huh, didn't know that. Then maybe the Turks slaughter of Christians then. At least I think it was the Turks.

What slaughter are you talking about specifically here? Nothing springs to mind.



Only if it will get you a lot of money.

It was 1.5 million Christians somewhere in and around Istanbul, but by who and when escapes me.

I'm Scottish, should I blame all English people for their persecution of Scots centuries ago? I won't because I don't like to dwell on the past as a means of getting attention.

Originally posted by Tangible God
It was 1.5 million Christians somewhere in and around Istanbul, but by who and when escapes me.

I'm Scottish, should I blame all English people for their persecution of Scots centuries ago? I won't because I don't like to dwell on the past as a means of getting attention.

The killing of the Orthodox inhabitants of Constantinople could be it... I believe the Ottomans (Turks) killed a lot of Christians back when they conquered that city in 1453. Still that may have been bad but hardly the worst massacre in history. Never really thought of that one before, still as bad as that may have been there were worse massacre's around. Wouldn't even come in the top of worsts massacre's ever if you ask me.

As to your other question, if it will get you money then yes you should.

Originally posted by Fishy
The killing of the Orthodox inhabitants of Constantinople could be it... I believe the Ottomans (Turks) killed a lot of Christians back when they conquered that city in 1453. Still that may have been bad but hardly the worst massacre in history. Never really thought of that one before, still as bad as that may have been there were worse massacre's around. Wouldn't even come in the top of worsts massacre's ever if you ask me.

As to your other question, if it will get you money then yes you should. Oh Lord no.

And oh Beelzebub yes.

Originally posted by Ytse
Why does it have to be about race at all? We're all human here. It was a horrible thing for one human to do to another. Kidnapping and holding in slavery against someone's will is wrong no matter which race you are.

Good point. I think that Slavery as a WHOLE, was, and still is Evil, no matter what Race is involved.

Originally posted by Penelope
Good point. I think that Slavery as a WHOLE, was, and still is Evil, no matter what Race is involved.

It's sucks how Whites tell Blacks to forget slavery happened.

Like "it passed, get over it. You shouldn't be affected by it."

Fcuk outta here, man. I don't wanna hear that sh*t. How about forgetting 9/11. They want slavery to forgotten because it was their race that held Black slaves in the U.S. and it makes them look like sh*t. But how can one forget when we have the face of slave-masters/U.S. presidents on the money we spent. G.Washington, yes the WASP on the dollar bill, was a slave owner who owned Blacks.

We're reminded of slavery everyday by them. And you still have the ongoing racism still being practiced on Blacks, still happening today.

It's crazy.

Get a bloody grip!

Noone is telling you to forget anything, but to move the hell along with that petty racist comments, and let go of your victim complex.

You have an undeniable, pathetic, spineless diplay of victim complex I have EVER encountered.

You do release that white people were enslaved, tortured and killed?
People who are NOT black have been suffered and some are STILL suffering slavery.
You do release that many slaves brought to America were bought by white people from black people in Africa?
You do release that Saudi Arabia STILL has problems of practicing slavery on white and black people, and many US citizens?

Black people have excelled in society - but if they all had a grudge like you, I doubt many of them would have moved anywhere with their lives.

Originally posted by lil bitchiness
Get a bloody grip!

Noone is telling you to forget anything, but to move the hell along with that petty racist comments, and let go of your victim complex.

You have an undeniable, pathetic, spineless diplay of victim complex I have EVER encountered.

You do release that white people were enslaved, tortured and killed?
People who are NOT black have been suffered and some are STILL suffering slavery.
You do release that many slaves brought to America were bought by white people from black people in Africa?
You do release that Saudi Arabia STILL has problems of practicing slavery on white and black people, and many US citizens?

Black people have excelled in society - but if they all had a grudge like you, I doubt many of them would have moved anywhere with their lives.

Oh yea, another example. I love the way Whites try to justify slavery by bring up uncited stats, or saying other people are slaves too, including White people. White slaves? Never seen or heard of it. White European or American slaves. ROTFLMAO.

I heard one time that racism was invented by Whites in order to preserve White supremacy.

Originally posted by FistOfThe North
Oh yea, another example. I love the way Whites try to justify slavery by bring up uncited stats, or saying other people are slaves too, including White people. White slaves? Never seen or heard of it. White European or American slaves. ROTFLMAO.

I heard one time that racism was invented by Whites in order to preserve White supremacy.

Yeah, but you also heard that you are a ****ing racist. Why do you believe the one over the other?

Originally posted by FistOfThe North
Oh yea, another example. I love the way Whites try to justify slavery by bring up uncited stats, or saying other people are slaves too, including White people. White slaves? Never seen or heard of it. White European or American slaves. ROTFLMAO.

I heard one time that racism was invented by Whites in order to preserve White supremacy.

Well, first of all, I'm not sure about it, but I don't think lil_b is white (just guessing based on the fact that she's from India).

Other people being slaves doesn't justify it, nobody's trying to do that, but you just simply can't believe that your people are the only ones who have ever been enslaved. Yeah, you live in a civilized (for the most part) First World Nation, so of course you haven't seen any kind of slavery, if you haven't heard of any non black slavery, though, you must've lived in a hole all your life.

Racism has been around for a long time before the idea of "white supremacy" ever existed, and possibly before whites and blacks even had come in contact with one another.

I'm too lazy to go look up a link or anything to present-day slavery, but hopefully someone else will so that you can face facts and admit that you're wrong.

Seriously, before you try to debate a point, at least have some knowledge of it first.

Originally posted by TBJ
Well, first of all, I'm not sure about it, but I don't think lil_b is white (just guessing based on the fact that she's from India).

Other people being slaves doesn't justify it, nobody's trying to do that, but you just simply can't believe that your people are the only ones who have ever been enslaved. Yeah, you live in a civilized (for the most part) First World Nation, so of course you haven't seen any kind of slavery, if you haven't heard of any non black slavery, though, you must've lived in a hole all your life.

Racism has been around for a long time before the idea of "white supremacy" ever existed, and possibly before whites and blacks even had come in contact with one another.

I'm too lazy to go look up a link or anything to present-day slavery, but hopefully someone else will so that you can face facts and admit that you're wrong.

Seriously, before you try to debate a point, at least have some knowledge of it first.

Yes. Slavery does exist but for it to have happened in the "Land of the Free"? I mean c'mon. That was hypocritical of Whites to say wasn't it? To call people 3/4 animals. Rape and rip families apart for centuries. followed by 100 years (1865-1965) of segregation/discrimination/racism/humiliation and violence dished out primarily by Whites in the U.S. "the land of the Free". Separate water fountain for Whites and Blacks? Getting arrested for not giving up your seat to a White man? This was a law. There were people sentenced to death for looking at a black woman.....And the stuff still goes on today. It's just hidden. Some get caught like Imus and Kramer but it's there. Behind closed doors. Behind closed minds.

Originally posted by FistOfThe North
Yes. Slavery does exist but for it to have happened in the "Land of the Free"? I mean c'mon. That was hypocritical of Whites to say wasn't it? To call people 3/4 animals. Rape and rip families apart for centuries. followed by 100 years (1865-1965) of segregation/discrimination/racism/humiliation and violence dished out primarily by Whites in the U.S. "the land of the Free". Separate water fountain for Whites and Blacks? Getting arrested for not giving up your seat to a White man? This was a law. There were people sentenced to death for looking at a black woman.....And the stuff still goes on today. It's just hidden. Some get caught like Imus and Kramer but it's there. Behind closed doors. Behind closed minds.

Ok then, so you admit you're wrong on the first point. Good, we're getting somewhere. I'll agree with you, in the 1800's, Britain and France were much more like "a land of the free" than America. I'm not sure what you mean, call people 3/4 animals, all humans are animals. Perhaps you meant they were considered "property," which is a far more accurate term.

Whereas I am aware of water fountains and buses, I don't think I've ever heard of anyone being put to death for looking at anyone else, maybe a jail sentence at most. Correct me with a link there, if you can so provide one. But that does not occur today, or, when it does, you hear a hell of a lot about it, Imus being a point in case.

While I agree what Imus was wrong in what he said, I don't believe he should've been fired for it (Yeah, I know the advertisers pulled out, but still.) It was a comment against white women just as much as black women, though. "Ho" is offensive whether you're a yellow woman or a purple woman. Anyway, though, this is a debate for another thread.

Originally posted by TBJ
Ok then, so you admit you're wrong on the first point. Good, we're getting somewhere. I'll agree with you, in the 1800's, Britain and France were much more like "a land of the free" than America. I'm not sure what you mean, call people 3/4 animals, all humans are animals. Perhaps you meant they were considered "property," which is a far more accurate term.

Whereas I am aware of water fountains and buses, I don't think I've ever heard of anyone being put to death for looking at anyone else, maybe a jail sentence at most. Correct me with a link there, if you can so provide one. But that does not occur today, or, when it does, you hear a hell of a lot about it, Imus being a point in case.

While I agree what Imus was wrong in what he said, I don't believe he should've been fired for it (Yeah, I know the advertisers pulled out, but still.) It was a comment against white women just as much as black women, though. "Ho" is offensive whether you're a yellow woman or a purple woman. Anyway, though, this is a debate for another thread.

Nope. I didn't admit anything. You're the one who's wrong in your justifications.

And you've never heard of a Black man getting killed over looking at a White woman? Ever heard of 15 year old Emmit Till? Who was tortured to death by Whites "for breaking the law" because it was thought that this young kid whistled at a White woman? His face was unrecognizable yet he had an open casket, but such a case isn't really "talked about" cause "it passed". b.s.

And "Ho" may've been general but not nappy.

Originally posted by FistOfThe North
Nope. I didn't admit anything. You're the one who's wrong in your justifications.

And you've never heard of a Black man getting killed over looking at a White woman? Ever heard of 15 year old Emmit Till? Who was tortured to death by Whites "for breaking the law" because it was thought that this young kid whistled at a White woman? His face was unrecognizable yet he had an open casket, but such a case isn't really "talked about" cause "it passed". b.s.

And "Ho" may've been general but not nappy.

Yes, I believe you said earlier that slavery didn't exist today, perhaps I was wrong. "Whistling" and "looking" aren't the same thing. Name a murder from back then that we do "talk about." True, but there were white girls on the Rutgers basketball team, it wasn't all black.

Originally posted by TBJ
"Whistling" and "looking" aren't the same thing. Name a murder from back then that we do "talk about." True, but there were white girls on the Rutgers basketball team, it wasn't all black.

Whistling and/or looking at a White woman was considered the same thing. According to the law both are basically trying to courtfully attain attention of a woman, out of many way that attaining her attention can be done.

Both whistling and/or looking at a White woman was a crime and both way meant death by a White mob and/or the gov't.

Originally posted by FistOfThe North
It's sucks how Whites tell Blacks to forget slavery happened.

Like "it passed, get over it. You shouldn't be affected by it."

Fcuk outta here, man. I don't wanna hear that sh*t. How about forgetting 9/11. They want slavery to forgotten because it was their race that held Black slaves in the U.S. and it makes them look like sh*t. But how can one forget when we have the face of slave-masters/U.S. presidents on the money we spent. G.Washington, yes the WASP on the dollar bill, was a slave owner who owned Blacks.

We're reminded of slavery everyday by them. And you still have the ongoing racism still being practiced on Blacks, still happening today.

It's crazy. A dead president who did what was considered the norm in his day upsets you?

Are you a child?

Originally posted by Tangible God
A dead president who did what was considered the norm in his day upsets you?

Are you a child?

No. I'm not. Although I think you might be if you think that "norm" was right.

If it's not right than it's not normal. Why just because alot of people practiced it. w/e.

Was being a hypocrite in those times the norm, too, with the then famous quote the "Land of the free and the home of the brave" or what about "by the people and for the people". or w/e it said.

The seal and the constitution reelected the thinking of the "founding murderers" that this was to be a nation by White people and for White people. Native Americans, Blacks and all other nonwhite people were to be the burden bearers of Whites and considered subhuman, even till this day. It's just that the constitution was twisted a century or 2 later due to White guilt, to make it sound like all American citizens.

bs.

Originally posted by FistOfThe North
No. I'm not. Although I think you might be if you think that "norm" was right.

If it's not right than it's not normal. Why just because alot of people practiced it. w/e.

Was being a hypocrite in those times the norm, too, with the then famous quote the "Land of the free and the home of the brave" or what about "by the people and for the people". or w/e it said.

The seal and the constitution reelected the thinking of the "founding murderers" that this was to be a nation by White people and for White people. Native Americans, Blacks and all other nonwhite people were to be the burden bearers of Whites and considered subhuman, even till this day. It's just that the constitution was twisted a century or 2 later due to White guilt, to make it sound like all American citizens.

bs. We consider that hypocrisy now, because that's our norm. Slavery now is cruel and unusual, as defined by our cultural norms.

Back then, slavery was just an every day part of life for most of the southern and middle colonies. It was an accepted fact, it was a profitable business, it was a norm of the time.

Will you call people evil for practicing what their society deemed normal. 200 years from now, the domestication of dogs could be looked upon as unnatural and morally wrong. Are we to blame for doing what's so Goddamn normal today?

Slavery's bad, evil, cruel, etc. We've learned from the past that we shouldn't do it. Hence, it's not done anymore. Focus your efforts on ending it in other parts of the world and stop griping over a past whose residents died generations ago. Lest we forget.