THE KRYPTONIANS VS. THE SAYAINS

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The Prophecy
THIS IS IT THE BATTLE OF TWO SEPERATE UNIVERSES AND YWO SEPERATE WORLDS!

Kryptonians
Kryptonians are a fictional alien race who hail from the planet Krypton. The most well-known Kryptonian is Superman.

Kryptonians appear to resemble humans, but their biology is much more complex. Much is still unknown about it, but the cellular function of Kryptonians allows for certain solar energy to be absorbed at extremely high levels when exposed to a yellow dwarf like Earth's Sun, giving them vast superhuman powers when on planets such as Earth. Super-strength, heat vision, x-ray vision, and super-breath are among many of the superpowers they possess. On Krypton, they were not known to possess any superpowers as the planet revolved around a red dwarf. They possess super-strength on relatively small planets, such as Earth, as Krypton's mass was far greater than Earth's. Kryptonians are vulnerable to Kryptonite.

The term "Kryptonian" can also refer to anything created by or associated with the planet Krypton. For example, in the television series Smallville, Professor Milton Fine (aka Brainiac) is not really a Kryptonian but a highly-advanced artificial intelligence created by Kryptonians.


Culture
Kryptonians are a highly technologically advanced people. Their technology seems to be based on self-grown crystals which made up the vast majority of their planet's surface. The Fortress of Solitude is a recreation of Krypton's surface.

According to Jor-El in Superman: The Movie (and as revealed in the sixth season of Smallville), there are at least 28 galaxies known to Kryptonians.


Survivors
When Krypton was destroyed in an explosion, it was thought that the entire Kryptonian race was destroyed. This was untrue as the scientist Jor-El managed to send his newborn son, Kal-El, off-planet to Earth right before Krypton exploded. Kal-El grew up on Earth as Clark Kent, and eventually discovered his Kryptonian origins.

In Superman: The Movie, teenage Clark discovers who he is in the Fortress of Solitude, where a hologram of Jor-El tells him "You are the only survivor of the planet Krypton." This last remark also appeared to prove untrue as prisoners of the Phantom Zone, such as General Zod, also survived the destruction of Krypton. Supergirl, cousin of Superman, also survived Krypton's destruction and made her home on Earth.

The capital of Krypton, Kandor, was also spared from destruction as it was shrunken by Brainiac.

Symmetric Chaos
Kryptonians

Saiyan tech isn't good enough and they can't fight in space.

The Prophecy
Saiyans, or saiyajin (サイヤ人) abbreviated SJ, are a fictional, almost extinct race in the anime and manga Dragon Ball Z, Dragon Ball GT, and the self-parody Neko Majin Z.


4 full blooded saiyans (Nappa, Son Goku, Vegeta, and Raditz).The saiyans are a powerful alien simian warrior race and play a central role in Dragon Ball Z and Dragon Ball GT once it is revealed that the main character, Son Goku, is actually a saiyan.

Contents
1 Name
2 The saiyan race
2.1 History
2.2 Homeworld
2.3 Appearance
2.4 Personality
2.5 Racial traits
2.5.1 Strength
2.5.2 Energy
2.5.3 Tail
2.5.4 Healing
2.5.5 High metabolism
2.5.6 Life span
2.5.7 Oozaru
2.5.8 Super Saiyan
2.6 Reproduction
2.6.1 Inter-species Saiyans
2.7 Family
2.8 Caste System
2.9 Ruler
3 Character lists
3.1 List of full-blooded saiyans
3.2 List of partial saiyans
3.3 List of saiyan fusions



Name
The name is an anagram of yasai (野菜), which is Japanese for "vegetable", followed by jin (人 or じん) which is Japanese for "person".

All pure-blood saiyans that appear in the series and related movies are named using puns on various vegetables.


The saiyan race

History
In the manga, the distant history of the saiyans is not described. In the anime series however, it is described that there were two separate races on the Planet Vegeta: the saiyans, a barbaric and backwards people, and the Tsufurujin (FUNimation dub: Tuffles), an advanced, scientific race. The Tsufurujin and the saiyans fought a civil war, but the saiyans were ultimately victorious thanks to their ability to turn into their Oozaru forms at the full moon. The saiyans then renamed the planet, calling it Planet Vegeta. Over the years they also learned how to use the Tsufurujin's advanced equipment and become somewhat smarter and less barbaric, although they still lusted for fighting and destruction.

At some unknown time following the saiyan victory the planet was conquered or annexed by Freeza's empire and the saiyans (like many other races) were drafted to serve as soldiers in Freeza's military. Because of the saiyans' innate strength and penchant for violence, they were considered to be useful mercenaries and assisted in the conquering of many planets, or if assignment called for, eradication of the planet's population. (Even saiyan children were considered powerful enough to conquer some of the weaker planets, such as Earth).

Eventually, seeing how quickly some of the more gifted saiyan warriors were gaining power through battle, Freeza grew concerned with the potential of the saiyan race and thought that they would grow strong enough to face him or even become the fabled Super Saiyans, able to defeat him in battle. So the maniacal warlord destroyed Planet Vegeta, almost eradicating the saiyan race.

Only a small number of saiyans remained after the destruction of their planet. Son Goku, Raditz, Nappa and Prince Vegeta were all off-world at the time, thus evading death. Various Dragon Ball films reveal three more survivors; Broly, Paragus and Tullece.


Homeworld
Originally called Planet Plant, Planet Vegeta was the homeworld of the saiyans following their migration there from an unnamed world (As revealed in Dragon Ball GT, however how a backwards race is capable of space travel is not explained, even before Freeza's conquest). Planet Vegeta was conquered by the saiyans after they exterminated the dominant race, the Tsufurujin, an incredibly intelligent but physically weak race. Lead by Vegeta's father, King Vegeta, the saiyans were victorious and took the planet as their own, re-naming it Vegeta.

The planet has a natural gravity that is 10 times that of Earth which helps give saiyans a greater natural strength than most races.

With the advice of Zarbon, Freeza realized that the saiyans were evolving, becoming stronger than they'd ever been, and hearing the legend of a saiyan being with colossal power called a Super Saiyan, he decided that if just one saiyan ever reached this power, the saiyan race could potentially pose a threat to his tyranny. He used his power to completely obliterate Planet Vegeta, leaving only a few survivors.


Appearance
Saiyans are outwardly very similar to Humans, except for their increased natural strength, ability to manipulate ki with great ease, which allows them to undergo physical metamorphoses, and their monkey-like tails. They are commonly seen to have black hair, usually spiky, although there have been rare occasions when they have also been shown to have brown hair.

Pure-blood saiyan hair never changes length or style once it has fully grown. This is not the case with half-breeds like Gohan and Trunks who are shown to have several different hair-styles throughout the series'. Both of Vegeta and Bulma's children inherited their hair color from their mother's side. Goku's children both have black hair like him, but their mother Chi Chi also has black hair. They can grow facial hair. Saiyans also all have black eyes, though half-breeds do not always share this trait as Vegeta's son, Trunks, and daughter, Bra, inherited blue irises from Bulma.

Similar appearances can be noted in:

Goku looks like Burdock.
Vegeta looks like King Vegeta.
Gohan looks like Chi-Chi.
Goten looks like Goku.
Trunks is a male version of Bulma with slight similarities to Vegeta.
Bra looks like Bulma.
Pan looks like Videl.
Goku Jr. looks like Goten and Goku.
Vegeta Jr.'s mother looks like Bra and Bulma.
Vegeta Jr. looks like Vegeta and King Vegeta.

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lando005
since when is a fight like this allowed here?

The Prophecy
edit] Personality
Saiyans tend to share common personality traits, even at young ages. Being a war-like people, they share an innate enjoyment for conflict and fighting, choosing violence over peace with other races. Saiyans are typically very aggressive and hard-headed, with short explosive tempers. They are an intensely proud people, with a society heavily based around honor and social hierarchy. They are inclined to be arrogant at times, leading them to allow enemies to gain advantages in battle for fun. It appears (as demonstrated by Vegeta, Nappa, Burdock, and even Goku) that they have a tendency to let their emotions get the better of them when roused in stimulating situations, resulting in them making rash decisions at times. They also appear to lack sympathetic emotions, though by choice rather than by nature as shown by their relative lack of fear of death and uncaring attitude towards family, such as Raditz' brutal beating of his long-lost brother Goku and Vegeta's indifference to his father's death. A possible explanation for this could be that their society was corrupted as a result of generations of being under Freeza's occupation.

Due to their high metabolism, which enables them to generate much more power than other races, saiyans must consume enormous amounts of food. However, their extreme desire to eat seems to go beyond necessity, and is a character quirk all saiyans share. They are well known for their immense appetites for food, possessing an almost insatiable hunger. As a child, Goku once downed a 50 course meal at a restaurant. Note that this is not restricted only to full-blooded saiyans, as even the polite Gohan has been seen eating like a hog. This may also have simply been a gag, as Tenshinhan, Yamcha, and even the little Chaozu have all downed similar amounts of food (each) on North Kaio's planet.


Racial traits
Though saiyans share aesthetic similarities to Humans they are fundamentally different on a biological level, possessing many unique abilities.


Strength
Saiyans have a naturally higher strength than a lot of different species, essentially built for fighting. The naturally high gravity of Planet Vegeta develops their strength further, making them considerably strong at young ages. Even the weakest among saiyans are capable of conquering most planets alone. Through tough training, saiyans are able to reach new levels of power, and the more intense the training and fights they go through, the stronger they become.


Energy
Every living being possesses an energy force called Ki, and saiyans have evolved to specifically manipulate this force with ease. A saiyan is able tap into their reserve of Ki energy and focus it in battle to levitate, fly, and even create explosive masses and waves. A select few also have huge amounts of dormant Ki that greatly enhances their maximum strength during battle when used. Dormant reserves of Ki are usually awakened through intense emotion like rage or out of mere desperation, and it rarely is accessible to the saiyan normally. By pumping himself up with Ki, a saiyan can become stronger and faster and even transform if he is forced to.

guy222
Originally posted by The Prophecy
THIS IS IT THE BATTLE OF TWO SEPERATE UNIVERSES AND YWO SEPERATE WORLDS!

Kryptonians
Kryptonians are a fictional alien race who hail from the planet Krypton. The most well-known Kryptonian is Superman.

Kryptonians appear to resemble humans, but their biology is much more complex. Much is still unknown about it, but the cellular function of Kryptonians allows for certain solar energy to be absorbed at extremely high levels when exposed to a yellow dwarf like Earth's Sun, giving them vast superhuman powers when on planets such as Earth. Super-strength, heat vision, x-ray vision, and super-breath are among many of the superpowers they possess. On Krypton, they were not known to possess any superpowers as the planet revolved around a red dwarf. They possess super-strength on relatively small planets, such as Earth, as Krypton's mass was far greater than Earth's. Kryptonians are vulnerable to Kryptonite.

The term "Kryptonian" can also refer to anything created by or associated with the planet Krypton. For example, in the television series Smallville, Professor Milton Fine (aka Brainiac) is not really a Kryptonian but a highly-advanced artificial intelligence created by Kryptonians.


Culture
Kryptonians are a highly technologically advanced people. Their technology seems to be based on self-grown crystals which made up the vast majority of their planet's surface. The Fortress of Solitude is a recreation of Krypton's surface.

According to Jor-El in Superman: The Movie (and as revealed in the sixth season of Smallville), there are at least 28 galaxies known to Kryptonians.


Survivors
When Krypton was destroyed in an explosion, it was thought that the entire Kryptonian race was destroyed. This was untrue as the scientist Jor-El managed to send his newborn son, Kal-El, off-planet to Earth right before Krypton exploded. Kal-El grew up on Earth as Clark Kent, and eventually discovered his Kryptonian origins.

In Superman: The Movie, teenage Clark discovers who he is in the Fortress of Solitude, where a hologram of Jor-El tells him "You are the only survivor of the planet Krypton." This last remark also appeared to prove untrue as prisoners of the Phantom Zone, such as General Zod, also survived the destruction of Krypton. Supergirl, cousin of Superman, also survived Krypton's destruction and made her home on Earth.

The capital of Krypton, Kandor, was also spared from destruction as it was shrunken by Brainiac.

team one

The Prophecy
Tail
All saiyans, full-blooded or hybrids, are born with a tail, monkey-like in appearance and often coloured light or dark brown, getting darker with age. The tail is a particularly sensitive area for saiyans -- when grabbed, it causes great pain to the owner, as well as temporary immobilization and fatigue. Nonetheless, some saiyans of the Elite and Royal family, such as Nappa and Vegeta, respectively, are immune to this pain due to being more evolved than low-class saiyans. A low-class saiyan can work to strengthen their tail by undergoing much physical discomfort, pain, and hardship, but it is not a natural immunity. An example of this strengthening is when Goku was grabbed by Kuririn during their match at the 22nd Tenkaichi Budokai, Goku surprised him with the lesser effect it had on him, compared to previously. Three years before that tournament, Goku was reminded by his grandfather, Son Gohan (who was sent to Earth for a day by Fortune Teller Baba at her palace) to train/strengthen his tail and it worked, but some warriors, such as Raditz, seem to have neglected doing so. The saiyan can control their tail with the ease of controlling an arm or leg. Most saiyans wrap their tails around their waists like a belt, presumably in order to make it harder to grab, and also to prevent loss of balance if the tail should be removed. It has been mentioned in Dragon Ball that a saiyan with a tail gains more power than one without a tail.

The tail also provides a unique gift in that it allows a saiyan to transform into an Oozaru and potentially a Golden Oozaru. If the tail is removed, this power is lost. Some saiyans have the ability to grow back their tails at various times, but at some point in life this regenerative ability is lost. Gohan for instance, who is not even a pure-blooded saiyan, grows his tail back numerous times after having it removed. Vegeta has his tail cut off during battle, but it is important to note that he is an adult and it never grows back, except through artificial means in Dragon Ball GT. With the help of Elder Kai, Goku regrows his tail in GT after he is returned to child form (Saiyan children are able to regrow their tails, but adults cannot except through artificial means).


Healing
If a Saiyan survives a near-fatal injury or goes through either an intense battle or training, then after recuperation they gain an increase in their level of power that's "far" greater than what they had prior to the experience. (E.G. Vegeta gaining additional strength after recuperating from near fatal injuries in a battle against Zarbon in the Namek saga) Saiyan physiology is based on the aphorism whatever doesn't kill you makes you stronger, which seems to act as a form of limited reactive adaptation/evolution. Where a Saiyan's body, as it heals, adapts and evolves itself to make previous threats (fighters who were on equal footing or stonger than them) and almost neturalize them.

In fact, even the rate of recovery does NOT seem to hinder this ability, as a matter of fact, it can be summarized that because of this, Saiyans have quite the healing factor. Enabling them to heal from just about any injury, even near fatal ones, at a far more faster and efficient rate than humans do. However, that does not mean that healing by any means; either at their natural rate, nor through technological or mystical assistence, will not affect this ability in them. In fact, as long as they heal period, by any means necessary, they're bodies will always gain a substantial enhancement and increase in strength, both on a physical (body) and metaphysical (ki) level.

"Seikan power" is sometimes the given title for this ability.


High metabolism
Saiyans have an increased metabolic rate which requires great amounts of energy for sustenance. Their high metabolism fuels a saiyan's alien physiology. It endows them with their seikan power, the ability to manipulate ki at an increased level with respect to other races, and undergo their various transformations. This also explains why most saiyans have an incredible appetite, something Goku was notorious for.

The Prophecy
Life span
Saiyans and Saiyan-Human hybrids also have substantially longer life spans than normal Humans. They also do not suffer the effects of aging, remaining more physically youthful even into advanced years. Chi-Chi complained of this in Dragon Ball GT when Goku was reduced to a child thus making the fact that she was getting older faster that much more apparent (she said he was already aging slower and now it was even worse). Vegeta explains in the final chapter of Dragon Ball Z that saiyans stay younger longer so they can fight even more. This is seen when Nappa, who was Vegeta's attendant when he was a child, is in his prime (at 50 years old) still long after Vegeta has become an adult. This is again demonstrated in the GT finale when Pan is seen one hundred years later still strong but with grey hair despite being only a quarter saiyan. Goku is also seen in his regular form in that episode, despite having aged in the same number of years as Pan from a kid.


Oozaru
Main article: Oozaru
Their tail also grants a saiyan special transformations. Though a painful weak-spot for saiyans unequipped to handle the pain associated with tension on it, the tail allows a saiyan to transform into a giant Oozaru beast when looking at a full moon. The saiyan grows incredibly in size and strength while drastically changing in appearance. If the tail is removed, this ability is lost. In this state, some saiyans have limited control, but their aggressiveness is at its peak and they often become mindless animals fuelled by destructive rage. Elite saiyans have mastered this form and are able to control it, as demonstrated by Vegeta.


Super Saiyan
Main article: Super Saiyan

Goku as a Super Saiyan.The legendary warrior of the saiyan race, this advanced state of saiyan warrior has the ability to drastically augment his speed, strength and energy by transforming his body, thus becoming a Super Saiyan. The ability is rare and normally difficult to achieve, but the end result is a warrior that knows no limits. Highly evolved saiyans can train their bodies to reach several levels of Super Saiyan, each level's power greatly enhanced from the last.

Female saiyans have never been shown to be able to transform into Super Saiyans. Akira Toriyama simply stated that he didn't know what a female Super Saiyan would look like. He also stated that the only female Saiyan that could've transformed just never had the motivation to do so. It is fair to assume that the same attributes apply to female Super Saiyans, increasing their physical abilities and altering their physical appearance in a similar way to male Super Saiyans.


Reproduction
Saiyan reproduction is very similar to Human reproduction, as Humans and saiyans are able to interbreed. However, because many saiyans are extremely proud, this is not necessarily a welcome discovery.


Inter-species Saiyans
Humans and Saiyans are able to interbreed, resulting in the offspring becoming more powerful than humans and maybe even full-blooded saiyans. Saiyan-Human hybrids appear to be nearly identical to full saiyans, except for some recessive genes. A trait that is typical for hybrids is that they tend to lose interest and focus in fighting quite easily. They simply don't posess the love of competition like pure Saiyans exhibit; this leads them to be unenthusiastic about their training and even gives them the unfortunate ability to lose skill. They do however share the Saiyan appetite for great quantities of food.

It seems that it is easier for hybrids to achieve Super Saiyan levels. It is unknown how the strength of half-saiyans compares to full saiyans, but many are gifted with the ability to achieve the Super Saiyan form at young ages and without as much training, such as with Goten and Trunks. Due to this, it would seem apparent that Saiyan/Human hybrids have more potential than full-blooded saiyans. However, this was seen even when Dragonball Z first began and Gohan's natural power level was higher than Goku's even though he had never trained.

Toriyama has never explained why it is easier for hybrids to become Super Saiyan. He also has never explained why Goten and Trunks were able to achieve the transformations so easily at such a young age. (Though it is assumed that since their fathers had both reached Super Saiyan level when they were conceived, it makes more sense that it came naturally to Goten and Trunks. It also explains why it took Gohan a little more work.)


Family
Saiyan families appear to be far different to that of a traditional human family. Children are kept in pod devices as infants and monitored by doctors whilst their parents are usually occupied by mercenary missions. Even as infants, their natural strength means that they are able to conquer planets like Earth single-handedly and so it is unlikely, they spend much, if any time with their parents or siblings. Saiyans do tend to have close relationships with their friends/comrades however, with whom they do spend a great deal of time in battle.


Caste System
A very proud race, saiyans retain a social hierarchy, centered around evolution and physical might. There are three strata: Royals, Elites and normal saiyans. Royals and Elites are more evolved than their lower class brethren, being physically more powerful and possessing an immunity to pain and fatigue when their tail is squeezed. They are well-respected and hold greater sway over military matters. Vegeta, the Prince of the Saiyans, expresses distress at the idea that the lower-class Goku is stronger than him.


Ruler
The saiyan race is governed by a monarchy, a royal family lead by a king. King Vegeta lead the revolt against the Tsufurujin and the planet was named after him. It is assumed that he was the first King and it is mentioned that he was one of the smarter, more tactical saiyans, which helped lead the race to their victory. Vegeta, being the son of King Vegeta, was a prince and assumably next in line to the throne had the planet survived Freeza's onslaught.


Character lists
Main article: List of Saiyans in Dragon Ball
In addition to the name "saiyan" being an anagram of the Japanese word for "vegetable", most pure saiyan characters in the series also have names with vegetable puns-- either in English or Japanese. Furthermore, the saiyan Royals are keeping in line with this, simply named Vegeta(ble).

Redatom65
saiyans are warriors whilst the kryptonains were the idealistic idealism of a future of the human race in a sense. Kryptonians would win

lando005
Originally posted by Redatom65
saiyans are warriors whilst the kryptonains were the idealistic idealism of a future of the human race in a sense. Kryptonians would win is this match a fight or just comparing the races?

Redatom65
in a fight if the saiyans were to invade Krypton they would fail.

srankmissingnin
Aren't Kryptons... normal on Krypton? How could they fail? A single Sayain could take it.

The Prophecy
Originally posted by Redatom65
in a fight if the saiyans were to invade Krypton they would fail.
A BATTLE

Kento
Originally posted by Redatom65
in a fight if the saiyans were to invade Krypton they would fail.

I don't think so. They did invade Plant who were more advanced then them. Kryptonians were smart but not strong. Saiyans were strong by birth. Double that if they do get repelled they could just wait until a full moon and give Kryptonians a even harder fight. The king, who I would assume is King Vegeta, would know he'd also need his strongest, and smartest people to take it over. So I can see them taking over Krypton.

Kento
For a fight...Kryptonians have no chance at all unless they get where a Yellow sun is. If they get to fight under a yellow sun...It's a whole race of Supermen against a race of fighters who were feared but weren't really Freeza's strongest warriors..

dirkdirden
I would have to say the Kryptonians becuase not all Saiyans are as strong as goku. The Saiyans are strong and great fighters but are stupid when compaired to the Kryptonians.

But if the Full moon was out the Saiyans easy.

lando005
just how strong r the saiyans here are we talking the normal ones or ssjs i still cant believe this thread isnt closed yet i've been gone too long

Kento
I'm just assuming its the Planet Vegeta, before it was destroyed by Freeza, against Planet Krypton, before it was blown up.

Unless the person is adding Gokou, Vegeta, and all the rest of the saiyans from the series also.

But then you'd have to add Superman, Supergirl, and Zod. and then this wouldn't be any good cause it would just turn into Gokou vs Superman again.

The Prophecy
Originally posted by Kento
. and then this wouldn't be any good cause it would just turn into Gokou vs Superman again.

that's exactly what I'm trying to avoid.

Soljer
A) Why the hell did you just copy paste wikipedia?

B) Kyptonians may have originally been 'human level' physically, but certainly not mentally.

They created the eradicator, for instance....

The Prophecy
Originally posted by Soljer
A) Why the hell did you just copy paste wikipedia?



well some people don't know who they are. smile

jasofisc
oh goshhhhh not another comic vs. maga fight.................................................................... it's going to be a hundred pages then get closed.

Symmetric Chaos
its spelled manga and there have been very few of them due to forum rules actually

Kurash
thisll get closed soon, but, kryptonians with a yellow sun dominate the sayians. No yellow sun, sayians take it. The strongest sayian vs. the strongest kryptonian, well I'd definately take Goku or Vegeta. Goku is the most powerful character ever created (i dont count gay villains of DBZ)

Symmetric Chaos
Originally posted by Kurash
Goku is the most powerful character ever created

Watch a good anime with super powered characters and try to say that again.

Soljer
*cough* Reality Warpers of any kind in any media ever *cough*

Darkchoco
Yeah its not really a fight if the Kryptonians dont have powers, they are just like us. WIth the yellow sun, Kryptonians would win hands down

Symmetric Chaos
Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
Watch a good anime with super powered characters and try to say that again.

continued from there

Extracted from the anime forums:

Lord of Nightmares, Yuki Nagato, Lina Inverse, Ideon, Sailor Chaos, Tetsuo, Z

all of these destroy Goku and every Saiyan and every Kryptonian.

Soljer
Originally posted by Darkchoco
Yeah its not really a fight if the Kryptonians dont have powers, they are just like us. WIth the yellow sun, Kryptonians would win hands down

They are NOT just like us.

For starters, they created the friggin ERADICATOR!

nvrbeenwthagirl
Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
Extract from the anime forums:

Lord of Nightmares, Yuki Nagato, Lina Inverse, Ideon, Sailor Chaos, Tetsuo, Z

Dont' forget Ken and Rao from the fist of the North Star. Just insane rediculous power.

Galan007
Whats a Sayain?

Symmetric Chaos
Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
Dont' forget Ken and Rao from the fist of the North Star. Just insane rediculous power.

both die

the extract is from the most powerful anime character list

this isn't the place for this discussion though

Originally posted by Galan007
Whats a Sayain?

laughing out loud

Galan007
Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
laughing out loud stick out tongue


I didn't read that huge write up at the beginning of the thread, but the Sayains seem to be a much more powerful race then the Kryptonians. (Unless this is under the light of a yellow Sun), and then it's the other way around.

Symmetric Chaos
Originally posted by Galan007

I didn't read that huge write up at the beginning of the thread, but the Sayains seem to be a much more powerful race then the Kryptonians. (Unless this is under the light of a yellow Sun), and then it's the other way around.

I said Kryptonians seeing as how they have the tech to take out the Sayains

juggernaut66666
Originally posted by Galan007
Whats a Sayain?
mad
It is a Son Goku.

Galan007
Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
I said Kryptonians seeing as how they have the tech to take out the Sayains If this isn't under a yellow sun, the Kryptonians would eventually loose unless they took out the Sayians quick..... Why you ask?

Because even with tech, the Kryptonians will only last until the first full-moon, and then........... cya! blush_wave

The Prophecy
How is this thread breaking the rules?

Symmetric Chaos
Originally posted by Galan007
If this isn't under a yellow sun, the Kryptonians would eventually loose unless they took out the Sayians quick..... Why you ask?

What did I ask?

In all out war the Kryptonians can just stay at a distance during the full moon and then keep blasting the Sayians later. Even Goku can't survive in space and most Sayians aren't at his power level.

Originally posted by The Prophecy
How is this thread breaking the rules?

some of the mods don't like fights with anime characters in them often they ask that they be moved to the Anime boards

Soljer
Wait....

Did krypton even HAVE a moon?

juggernaut66666
Originally posted by Soljer
Wait....

Did krypton even HAVE a moon?
Sayains can create energy balls which has the same effect as the full moon.

Soljer
Originally posted by The Prophecy
How is this thread breaking the rules?

No non-comic fights.

Soljer
Originally posted by juggernaut66666
Sayains can create energy balls which has the same effect as the full moon.

....

I knew that at some point in my past.

Honestly, I'm glad to say that I've forgotten it.

SoljerGeekPoints--;

Oh shit, did I just make a joke involving code? ****.

SoljerGeekPoints+=10;

Galan007
Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
What did I ask?

In all out war the Kryptonians can just stay at a distance during the full moon and then keep blasting the Sayians later. Even Goku can't survive in space and most Sayians aren't at his power level. As Juggs just said, Sayians can mimic the light of a full moon via energy-balls.

Symmetric Chaos
Originally posted by Galan007
As Juggs just said, Sayians can mimic the light of a full moon via energy-balls.

I had no idea they could do that.

Galan007
Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
I had no idea they could do that. Yep, they can litterally turn into a monkey whenever they feel like it.. laughing out loud

Symmetric Chaos
Originally posted by Galan007
Yep, they can litterally turn into a monkey whenever they feel like it.. laughing out loud

a giant monkey big grin

OK then what stops the Kryptonians from making synthetic yellow sun radiation?

Galan007
Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
OK then what stops the Kryptonians from making synthetic yellow sun radiation? srug

IF the Kryptonians can do that, then say goodbye to the Sayians.

The Prophecy
Originally posted by Soljer
No non-comic fights.
Dragonball Z is a comic

Symmetric Chaos
Originally posted by The Prophecy
Dragonball Z is a comic

the mods don't see it that way

anything more commonly known in a noncomic medium is generally out (although I wish they would repeal that rule)

LORDSIDIOUS01
Supes and all of the Kryptonians are a bunch of posers. I love Dragonball Z. Not too many people can beat Goku or Vegeta when they are in their repective forms of Super-Saiyan 3 and Super-Saiyan 4. It would be best for the kryptonians not to ley Goku transform at all. If that happens then they have a chance. Otherwise SS3 OR SS4 Goku will destroy them.

juggernaut66666
Originally posted by Soljer
....

I knew that at some point in my past.

Honestly, I'm glad to say that I've forgotten it.

SoljerGeekPoints--;

Oh shit, did I just make a joke involving code? ****.

SoljerGeekPoints+=10;
Oh come on Soljer I know you remember it....
"What the scouter say about my power level?" stick out tongue

Symmetric Chaos
Originally posted by juggernaut66666
Oh come on Soljer I know you remember it....
"What the scouter say about my power level?" stick out tongue

"My scouter is on the blink."

guy222
Originally posted by LORDSIDIOUS01
Supes and all of the Kryptonians are a bunch of posers. I love Dragonball Z. Not too many people can beat Goku or Vegeta when they are in their repective forms of Super-Saiyan 3 and Super-Saiyan 4. It would be best for the kryptonians not to ley Goku transform at all. If that happens then they have a chance. Otherwise SS3 OR SS4 Goku will destroy them.

Are you a preacher? That sounds ok to me.

The Prophecy
In my opinion the anime world seemd so free. For example if you were to get hit with a boulder a lump will appear on your head. I would like to see this take place in real world Universe where all the laws and all that stuff applies.

LORDSIDIOUS01
Originally posted by The Prophecy
In my opinion the anime world seemd so free. For example if you were to get hit with a boulder a lump will appear on your head. I would like to see this take place in real world Universe where all the laws and all that stuff applies.

Doesn't matter where this takes place. Not too much can beat Goku.

Kento
Originally posted by LORDSIDIOUS01
Doesn't matter where this takes place. Not too much can beat Goku. I know a real effective way to beat him. Starve him.

The Prophecy
at some point I will agree However I'm not trying to star another Superman vs. Goku battle. However i wll say that dont forget that the Kryptonians know martial arts and that you dont have to be a sayain to shoot ki blast out you hands.In the real world (the actual world) ki blast are called psi balls heres a link about it:http://home.xtra.co.nz/hosts/Wingmakers/PSI-BALLS%20&%20PSI%20ENERGY.html

But anyways Kryptonians can also learn to fly and may be faster on other alien planets due to the tremendous amount of gravity on Kryton.

lorddreamer
Ok... for one thing: Sayans can not make the moon thingy whever they want. Goku's dad took years to perfect that method, as did vegeta...

And for the record: The mods used to allow manga battles, but the caused way too many fights and rucus. Maybe that's why this isn't closed yet. No superfanboys come to try to trade addresses to fight each other

The Prophecy
that's a good point

Symmetric Chaos
Originally posted by The Prophecy
In my opinion the anime world seemd so free. For example if you were to get hit with a boulder a lump will appear on your head. I would like to see this take place in real world Universe where all the laws and all that stuff applies.

Then anyone going faster than light would be dead and people would need better explanations for their tech and powers.

UniOmni
Saiyans vs the Kryptonians under a yellow sun? Kryptonians.

Super Saiyans of various levels vs Kryptonians under a yellow sun? Saiyans in a stomp.

lando005
Originally posted by UniOmni
Saiyans vs the Kryptonians under a yellow sun? Kryptonians.

Super Saiyans of various levels vs Kryptonians under a yellow sun? Saiyans in a stomp. i'll second that

lorddreamer
I'm just wondering about what powerful feats SS4 Goku has done... not hating, I'm a huge dbz fan (I'm the biggest Tenkaichi fan ever!!!) just wondering. What actual feats (not killing crazy dragons, but like... running around the world or lifting a country) has it done?

Symmetric Chaos
Originally posted by UniOmni
Saiyans vs the Kryptonians under a yellow sun? Kryptonians.

Super Saiyans of various levels vs Kryptonians under a yellow sun? Saiyans in a stomp.

Why do they win by more if their enemies are more powerful?

Symmetric Chaos
Originally posted by lorddreamer
I'm just wondering about what powerful feats SS4 Goku has done... not hating, I'm a huge dbz fan (I'm the biggest Tenkaichi fan ever!!!) just wondering. What actual feats (not killing crazy dragons, but like... running around the world or lifting a country) has it done?

He didn't do anything really impressive as far as I remember (and the show isn't canon anyway)

Kento
Originally posted by lorddreamer
Ok... for one thing: Sayans can not make the moon thingy whever they want. Goku's dad took years to perfect that method, as did vegeta...


Bardock didn't create that..... That was a very bad dub line from the original American version. Bardrock wasn't exactly smart just a great fighter.

lando005
Originally posted by lorddreamer
I'm just wondering about what powerful feats SS4 Goku has done... not hating, I'm a huge dbz fan (I'm the biggest Tenkaichi fan ever!!!) just wondering. What actual feats (not killing crazy dragons, but like... running around the world or lifting a country) has it done?
it's hard to judge his feats in comparison to superman while sups has feats of pure strength goku displays feats of power and energy

Soljer
Originally posted by lando005
i'll second that

I won't.

Any Kryptonian under a yellow sun is Superman level. Look at the Superman family we've encountered.

NOT every Saiya-jin can become a Super Saiya-Jin.

Besides, if this were Superman vs. Goku, it would say so. This is the respective races - it shouldn't be the elite. Therefore, we wouldn't include Kal-El, and we wouldn't include any blonde monkeys.

Also; everyone keeps ranting on and on about the fourth form of Super Saiya-jin. It's not canon. Not in a true-blue way, anyways. GT was okayed by Akira, but not written by him. It's crap, in a nutshell. The most powerful character of the series was Gohan. Not super saiya-jin Gohan - but Gohan.

After he had his potential released by the Dai Kaioshin. What the fans dubbed 'Chou' Gohan or 'Mystic' Gohan. Save the highest forms of Super Buu and Vegeto, 'Chou' Gohan was the strongest character in Z. wink.

Lastly, if we are debating races, Humans win.

The Humans have the reality manipulators. smile.

laughing

Dragonball hasn't crossed my mind in years - funny how much space in my mind is wasted by this knowledge that goes unused, but can just FLOOD back to me at a moments notice....

Kurash
uhh as much as i hate to admit it, im asian (thats not what i hate to admit its the next part) and ive watched pretty much every anime cartoon ever made, and i can tell you hands down that Goku is the most powerful in terms of raw energy

Soljer
Originally posted by Kurash
uhh as much as i hate to admit it, im asian (thats not what i hate to admit its the next part) and ive watched pretty much every anime cartoon ever made, and i can tell you hands down that Goku is the most powerful in terms of raw energy

I'm happy for you.

But when the manga and the anime conflict, precedence goes to the Manga. The manga portrays 'Chou' Gohan as on another level when compared to Goku.

Kurash
is there manga for GT? if there is ive never seen it. In normal DBZ even in the show Gohan is stronger than Goku in the end, GT it changes, which i know isnt exactly considered canon though, but i still think its valid

draxx_tOfU
it takes a single saiyan or super-saiyan to blast the planet krypton from afar...

all of them cant turn into a super-saiyan but all of them can turn into oozarou form, and then blast krypton...

saiyans win...

ExtraMision5555
Wait, so would this bje the sayans back then? becuase while i firmly believe the surviving sayans in their final versions could easily handle any krpytonian (sorry superman fans, but its the reality)

the old sayan race were overall average, and theyre werent many (or any?) atleast mentioned supersayans, but im probably wrong on that

either way

sayans still win via being much tighter than a kryptonian could ever hope to be

Kento
Originally posted by ExtraMision5555
Wait, so would this bje the sayans back then? becuase while i firmly believe the surviving sayans in their final versions could easily handle any krpytonian (sorry superman fans, but its the reality)

the old sayan race were overall average, and theyre werent many (or any?) atleast mentioned supersayans, but im probably wrong on that

either way

sayans still win via being much tighter than a kryptonian could ever hope to be

Gokou was the first Super Saiya-jin in a century sooo yea I'm sure no other Super Saiyans were on Vegeta.

ExtraMision5555
Originally posted by Kento
Gokou was the first Super Saiya-jin in a century sooo yea I'm sure no other Super Saiyans were on Vegeta.

thats what i thought

Kurash
broly was super sayian before goku but hes not exactly canon, got 3 movies though, and he whips ss goku, ss vegeta, ss trunks, ss gohan and super namek piccolo at the same time

ExtraMision5555
Originally posted by Soljer





Also; everyone keeps ranting on and on about the fourth form of Super Saiya-jin. It's not canon. Not in a true-blue way, anyways. GT was okayed by Akira, but not written by him. It's crap, in a nutshell. The most powerful character of the series was Gohan. Not super saiya-jin Gohan - but Gohan.



GT is cannon, and it is considered in continuity
akira wrote the initial phazes of the show, but didnt finish becuase he was apparently tired of writeing? (duno)

and the most powerful in the series wasnt gohan
not even by the end of DBZ, but actually, thats just my opinion
this point is debateable


the first is not

Kurash
gohan mystic sayian form was much stronger than ssj3 goku at the end of DBZ, several times in fact

Symmetric Chaos
Originally posted by Kurash
uhh as much as i hate to admit it, im asian (thats not what i hate to admit its the next part) and ive watched pretty much every anime cartoon ever made, and i can tell you hands down that Goku is the most powerful in terms of raw energy

Really despite the existence of . . .

Tenchi?
Broly?
Yuki Nagato? (literally as powerful as the universe)
Ideon? (took out a universe)
LoN? (multiverse busting god)

I have no idea what kind of anime you watch but all of these people can surpass him in terms of raw power.

ExtraMision5555
Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
Really despite the existence of . . .

Tenchi?
Broly?
Yuki Nagato? (literally as powerful as the universe)
Ideon? (took out a universe)
LoN? (multiverse busting god)

I have no idea what kind of anime you watch but all of these people can surpass him in terms of raw power.


Final version of goku?


Ide say absorbing the dragonballs puts you above all those people you just listed

draxx_tOfU
Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
Really despite the existence of . . .

Tenchi?
Broly?
Yuki Nagato? (literally as powerful as the universe)
Ideon? (took out a universe)
LoN? (multiverse busting god)

all of these pale in comparison to.......astroboy! smokin'

Kento
Originally posted by Kurash
broly was super sayian before goku but hes not exactly canon, got 3 movies though, and he whips ss goku, ss vegeta, ss trunks, ss gohan and super namek piccolo at the same time And then a triple Kamehameha sends him into the Sun and the Sun kills him.

Though I'm still confused on how he survived the first time. Sure Gokou didn't win his own power beat him..but the planet and the comet...How'd he even get a ship to get to Earth? Or know where Earth was?

Symmetric Chaos
Originally posted by ExtraMision5555
Final version of goku?


Ide say absorbing the dragonballs puts you above all those people you just listed

The Dragon Balls are not multiversal. Hell they're barely universal considering that fact that in GT they broke from over use.

lorddreamer
Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
He didn't do anything really impressive as far as I remember (and the show isn't canon anyway)

Oh, wow, I didnt know that. I should have been able to tell, shows are never cannon... but it's all many of us have seen... anyway, now that I know that I know nothing, I'll go back to just reading the posts. Good day smile

x_danny_x
Originally posted by ExtraMision5555
GT is cannon, and it is considered in continuity
akira wrote the initial phazes of the show, but didnt finish becuase he was apparently tired of writeing? (duno)

and the most powerful in the series wasnt gohan
not even by the end of DBZ

but the that second point is debateable
the first is not


sorry but to many fans GT is not canon. reason being is that the creator of DBZ had nothing to do with it. He stopped it at the BUU saga and that was it.

Originally he wanted to stop it at the Freeza saga but he continue to the BUU saga and it ended there.

There was a team of writers that wanted to continue the series and they ask Toriyama (the creator of DBZ) gaved them the green light but HE DIDNT WANT ANYTHING TO DO WITH IT!! the team of writers continue the series but to alot of DBZ fans, it was horrible and made no sense from the previous sagas.

The characters were weak compared when they were in past sagas and the new level saiyan didnt look anything like the past ones. Instead of gold hair they had reddish body hair and black hair. The episodes were horrible, arggghh. It was corny and stupid.

DBZ characters could destroy planets and almost the entire universe to struggling to pick up a mountain.

sick

draxx_tOfU
Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
The Dragon Balls are not multiversal. Hell they're barely universal considering that fact that in GT they broke from over use.

we dont even know or it isnt even mentioned if the show is multiversal in the first place...

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