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WELCOME TO BATDUDE’S TOURNEY MATCH #6!!!!!!!!!!!

Today’s contestants are:

DigiMark007/Scoobless:

And their characters are:

Digi / Scoob
Digi: Adam Warlock
Scoob: Space Phantom
Both: Thor

Vs.

Big Bran/Darthgoober:

And their characters are:

Bran / Darthgoober -
Earth X Absorbing Man
Despero
Super-Adaptoid

For those of you who aren’t familiar with the rules, here’s the link that takes you to them:

http://www.killermovies.com/forums/430696_1-batdudes-tourney-discussion-thread

Each team will be given twenty minutes to prepare. The contestants will be approximately 1 kilometer apart (.62 miles). The battle will take place in the Mohave Desert.

LET THE BATTLE COMMENCE!!!

The judges for this match are pending…

DG/BB opening post:

... Continued (this will use up one of dg's posts)

Digi/Scoob's post:

... Continued

Good Luck both teams.
Bumping so it stays on top

A quick thanks to BD and the judges. And good luck to bran/goober.

Digi’s Post #1:

This will accompany the writeup. Due to size constraints, a few things had to be left out of the writeup concerning specific strategies and justifications. The first part of my post will be dedicated to that, then segue into the battle itself.

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A. Power Sharing
The Surfer stuff is well-documented and we’ve done it before. And for those of you asking “does SP know Firelord and Stardust, or even BP”, we have all of Surfer’s memories from AW’s soul-link with him. We know all the heralds, and Thor is well-acquainted with BP from his Avenger days.

Oh, and here’s the bio for BP to prove that he has anti-metal as part of his standard equipment: http://www.marveldirectory.com/individuals/b/blackpanther.htm

Also, to answer something from the last match that MM brought up: Warlock can soul-link outside of soul world, and without his gem. Like I said, we have concrete evidence (like the Strange link posted in the writeup) of everything we do.

B. Telepathic Defenses
If I need to, I can post scans of pretty much everyone contributing to our defenses. We have psi-blocks from Nate Grey that we set up in prep. Warlock’s a telepath. Surfer has telepathic powers to enhance Warlock’s own. Sentry has tp skills. Thor can absorb psychic energy directed at him.

I’m guessing they’ll want to make you believe that they’ll mind rape us with Despero and possibly Adaptoid as well. But between our defenses, and the fact that controlling someone’s mind is nigh-impossible when you’re getting beat down, this will mean nothing.

Furthermore, Warlock’s “invisibility” will extend to the psychic realm. If someone with the IG (which includes the Mind Gem, total control over the realm of the mind) can’t detect him, neither will anyone else. He’s completely “cloaked” and will only be known as soon as he decides to strike.

C. Anti-Metal Pwnage
These scans show the decimating power of anti-metal. It owns Ultron, and even disintegrates all other metal in the vicnity.
http://img263.imageshack.us/my.php?image=antimetal12zn.jpg
http://img263.imageshack.us/my.php?image=antimetal22qg.jpg
…the anti-metal will just need to be near them to work. The vibrations from it will break down EXAM and Adaptoid completely if they try anything with metal.

The scan is also useful because it proves it has no effect on Mjolnir.

Our surfboards will be coated in anti-metal because of Warlock’s transmutation copy of BP’s claws (using Surfer’s knowledge and power). So we have nigh-lightspeed weapons coated in stuff that utterly annihilates all metals.

If bran/goober do anything with metal, this is a ridiculously easy win for us. Not, “Oh, nice try, but here’s what we do now…” No, just pwnage.

D. Taking Out EXAM, a comprehensive look:
SP(Sentry) will be fighting him initially, so I won’t discuss Scoob’s territory. But Sentry isn’t the only way we have of beating EXAM. Thor has a rich history of beating AM:
…via BFR: http://img262.imageshack.us/my.php?image=creel1uo0.png
…or via transmutation: http://img247.imageshack.us/my.php?image=transmutation1ld9.jpg
Thor, fed up with AM, simply uses Mjolnir to turn him into harmless helium. If Thor brawls AM, it becomes a problem. But if he’s smart about it (which he will be, because Warlock will be giving orders) he has many ways of taking out EXAM.

Warlock can do this as well, as he has Surfer’s powers. Some example of similar transmutation feats:
http://img247.imageshack.us/my.php?image=transmutation1ld9.jpg
http://img407.imageshack.us/my.php?image=transmute3nh9.jpg
or this: http://img247.imageshack.us/my.php?image=transmute4vw9.jpg
(Side note – transmutation attacks are viable against EXAM, given the nature of his power. I already checked with BD about this).

So basically, any of our 3 characters are able to take him out, and this doesn’t even mention our anti-metal boards. If EXAM is any metal, we won’t need any of this, and will beat him even sooner.

E. Thor
While Warlock and SP provide the theatrics for our team, Thor is still probably the most powerful. He has Firelord’s power cosmic added to his own power. His strength, durability, and energy powers will increase exponentially.

Also the board from Warlock, adding to his speed, and also covered in anti-metal.

And let’s not forget this: http://img179.imageshack.us/my.php?image=1ka3aa2.jpg
http://img179.imageshack.us/my.php?image=energyabsorb2ny0.png
http://img179.imageshack.us/my.php?image=energyabsorb3ng3.png
No one on their team can take that kind of blast and come out unscathed. We’ll be determining matchups (Warlock’s invisibility and our speed advantage). So Despero will be jarred to hell from this, if not already dead.

He can still absorb psionic energy (see writeup for scan) and we have psi-blocks in place from prep, and skilled telepaths on the team. Telepathic attacks from Despero will mean nothing.

F. The Silver Warlock
A reminder of Surfer’s power: http://img266.imageshack.us/my.php?image=surfervsmorg5zo.jpg
…just the residual energy from Surfer/Morg’s fight was destroying planets. They weren’t even directly attacking them.
A reminder of Warlock’s inherent power:
Strength: http://img206.imageshack.us/my.php?image=drax21my4.jpg
http://img155.imageshack.us/my.php?image=drax22qp5.jpg
Durability: http://img221.imageshack.us/my.php?image=durability1ii7.jpg
Energy: http://img407.imageshack.us/my.php?image=energy2io2.jpg
Skill: http://img222.imageshack.us/my.php?image=magusfight7rc8.jpg
http://img222.imageshack.us/my.php?image=magusfight8gm6.jpg

Surfer’s power added to Warlock’s own, in addition to AW’s intelligence and skill, probably makes him the most powerful person in this fight. Adaptoid is versatile, and no doubt bran/goober have something clever planned. But the sheer power they’ll be up against, in addition to our anti-metal boards, means that very little they can do (if anything) will bother Warlock in the least.


G. Final Thoughts
1. We’re stacking power onto Warlock and Thor to the extent that bran/goober won’t be able to keep up, regardless of what they try with EXAM and Adaptoid.
2. We have the greatest tactician in Marvel coordinating us, so if anyone’s battle plan is more likely to be pulled off efficiently, it’s ours.
3. If EXAM and Adaptoid use metal to guard themselves, or to attack us, this will be a quick fight. And since they can’t use metal at all, at least EXAM will be limited to much less powerful forms, and will never pose a threat. And Adaptoid will be limited as well, and will be up against the most skilled person in the fight (Warlock) with all of Surfer’s power.

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Bwahahaha!!

I just read their writeup. A giant chunk of their prep is dedicated to making uber-sweet armor for their team. But there's only 1 problem.

It's all metal.

Our anti-metal boards will rip through them utterly, and Despero's trick of encasing Mjolnir in adamantium won't work either because of this (not to mention Mjolnir can teleport straight back to Thor).

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They're also assuming they can "get the jump" on Warlock, who won't be detectable by any means they have. And they aren't accounting for Thor's power boost (Or Warlock's).

We're still determining matchups due to Warlock and our speed. ...I'd also say more but I suppose it can wait.

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Oh, and since they're all "Absorbing Men" now...that transmutation stuff will be a viable attack for any of us, and Thor/Warlock both know what they're doing with transmuting EXAM (or the others)

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Basically, their prep is shot to hell by anti-metal and they're in some DEEP trouble. Good luck digging out of this one guys.

Good luck to Digi/Scoobs(You’ll need it ).

Well Digi/Scoob‘s, that battle plan of yours is quite impressive to say the least. But let me show the problems inherent in your plan…

Problems with the Soul Link

1. It’s not easy. Now while it’s true that Warlock is capable of the Soul Link, the fact of the matter is that it is in no way shape or form an easy process for a someone to handle(probably one of the many reasons why Warlock doesn’t do it very often). Here we have the Soul Link between Warlock and Surfer inside of the Soul World…
http://img169.imageshack.us/img169/503/tollke2.jpg

Notice that both of them are holding their heads and seem to be disoriented immediately following the transfer? This implies that the link itself takes a toll on those subjected to it. Warlock’s never shown the ability to link a group of people(only individuals), and since the Link itself seems to be difficult to handle, I’m having serious doubts about Warlock’s ability to accomplish such a transfer.

2. Skill/ability transfer. Now you say that the fighting skills and knowledge possessed by all of the individuals involved in the link will be transferred to everyone else correct? Prove it. While it’s true that the experiences of the recipients of the Soul Link are shared, there’s no proof(at least that I’m aware of) that things like fighting skills are transferred. Let me subject you to some logic, that way you’ll understand just what the problem is with the assumption you’ve made.

Adam Soul Linked with Strange before he did with Surfer or Thor, correct? Well if EVERYTHING is shared as your saying, wouldn’t that mean that both Surfer and Eric Masterson are now equal to Strange in Sorcery? Think about it, if Warlock picked up all of Stranges skills, and then linked again with Surfer and Thor, that would mean that those skills got passed on to Norrin and Eric as well. Now how much sense does that make?

Need further proof? Take a look at the third panel of the scan I’ve already posted above. Surfer flat out states that illumination and understanding are not one and the same. Your team may know all about each other, but there’s no proof that they’ve actually gained the abilities you’ve credited them with(including things like the nature of Surfer‘s powers).


Problem’s with Warlock and the Surfer’s powers

1. Well as we’ve already established, there’s no real proof that Warlock actually has all of Surfer’s abilities.

2. In the issue with the power transfer between Surfer and that guy, it’s true that Surfer got his powers back upon the death of the guy he shared it with. However, there’s no proof that such a death was necessary for Surfer to reclaim that power. Point me towards the statement where it’s covered that such a death was actually necessary, and I’ll accept such a claim as fact(until then, it falls under the heading of speculation).

3. The Surfer’s power cosmic isn’t Surfer’s to give away permanently. This was best demonstrated in the arc where Surfer had tired of his life as a hero, and sought to rid himself of the power cosmic.

Surfer with a revelation about his powers…
http://img250.imageshack.us/img250/9130/hispowersg7.jpg

See? His powers are a part of him that CAN’T be given or stripped away(except possibly by Galactus). That means that as soon as Space Phantom surrendered the form of Surfer, Surfer got back all his lost power. So everything in your prep period involving the Surfer is null and void(including your boards).


Problems with Thor and Firelord

If there’s one thing that Firelord has shown since inception, it’s that he ain’t Surfer. Assuming that Firelord is capable of the feat preformed by Surfer, is very similar to assuming that someone like John Steward is capable of everything that Hal or Kyle is, just because they technically possess the same powers(and John has actually been at it longer than Kyle, unlike Firelord who was granted the power cosmic LONG after Surfer). And there’s once again no proof that Thor would retain that power in the first place.

Other problem’s
1. Like everything else you’ve no proof that the shields put into place by X Man will stay in place after X Man’s powers are returned to him. The power of those shields comes from X-Man himself, and I’m sure he’s going to be plenty P.O. at you guys for stealing those powers in the first place. That means that he’ll in all likelihood take back that power upon escaping from Limbo.

2. Once again you have absolutely zero proof that Warlock is actually capable of concealing himself from EVERYTHING. All you have is a single vague incident, in which Warlock was able to stay undetected by someone who wasn’t mentally up to dealing with the IG. Don’t believe me about her mental inadequacies with the IG? Well here, maybe you’ll listen to Thanos…
http://img409.imageshack.us/img409/264/nebulana1.jpg
Plain as day he says “Her Intellect is not up to Godhood”.

And right after Warlock was able to “conceal” himself from her, she was also surprised by the abstracts…
http://img409.imageshack.us/img409/3883/cosmicbeingsmj8.jpg

Need further conformation? Well take a look at Nebula’s battle with the abstracts…
http://img402.imageshack.us/img402/8916/cbbattlepk3.jpg
So now Thanos points out the fact that she’s in a state of bewilderment, and that her grasp on her power is light.

Next page…
http://img267.imageshack.us/img267/1915/cbbattle2xl8.jpg
Nebula doesn’t SEE their plan.

She was in no way adapted to the power she possessed, so Adam hiding himself from her doesn’t really mean that much. Show me a single instance of him using that particular ability against someone possessing cosmic awareness on the level of Mar-Vell, and your strategy might actually hold water. Because as is, I can come up with numerous scans of Warlock having to sneak around using pure stealth, as opposed to some all concealing sensory effect.

3. Digi/Scoob’s assessment of Super Adaptoid. Yes it’s true that Super Adaptoid can only use the power of a single individual at a time without risk. But unfortunately for Digi/Scoobs he’s only using the power of a single individual at a time. He’s not copying multiple opponents powers, he’s copy the improved powers of his individual team mates. So he’s in absolutely no danger of using all of those abilities he‘s acquired, so long as he doesn‘t try to use Despero‘s or EX AM‘s powers simultaneously.

4. Speed Advantage. It’s non existent for the other team. Light speed was the cap on both speed and reflexes, and at this point our team has those. That means that NONE of your characters are capable of having any kind of speed advantage over us.


So I don’t really see all that much changing from our original plan.

1. We’ll still be using Mar-Vell’s Cosmic awareness (until more proof is given as to the range of Warlocks ”concealment” ). Also we’ll still be using tp to scan for your location(until proof of some kind that Nate will for some reason allow you to retain the shields that HIS power put into place.

2. Our match ups will still go the way we want(since we were able to find your location and teleport behind you).

Despero vs. Thor- Thor’s hammer and arm get stuck in a block of pure admantium. Since Thor doesn’t have Firelord’s powers Despero let’s loose with alternating energy and mental blast until Thor goes down(which won’t take long since Thor’s not in much of a position to defend himself) and then help out whoever‘s in need(probably Super Adaptoid).

Super Adaptoid vs. Space Phantom- Space Phantom will still get the drop on Sentry and pound him with energy blast(and the occasional mental blast) until Sentry goes down or one of Super Adaptoid’s teammates arrive to help. Super Adaptoid has the speed advantage over Space Phantom(unless I happened to miss Sentry being upgraded to having light speed capabilities). So all Super Adaptoid has to do, is use his superior speed advantage to avoid Sentry’s attack, while firing off attacks of his own until Despero arrives. He can even use the power of the Nega Bands to increase his already impressive physical strength.

Mar-Vell amping up with the Nega Bands…
http://img179.imageshack.us/img179/5804/negabandsbo5.jpg
http://img401.imageshack.us/img401/367/negabands2gc7.jpg

So how much will his powers increase? Well here’s Mar-Vell using his amped power to throw a beating to Drax the Destroyer(who had defeated him before Mar-Vell realized his ability to augment his strength)…
http://img179.imageshack.us/img179/4594/draxowingbw2.jpg

I seriously doubt that even Sentry could withstand that kind of punishment for long.

And I’ll let bigbran cover EX AM.


We still win.

Digi Post #2

So when you run out of plans, you try to damage your opponents' credibility. Fortunately, I know goober has a working knowledge of Warlock and was expecting to have to defend each of these points....which I can. Shall we?

Originally posted by darthgoober
Problems with the Soul Link
1. It’s not easy. Now while it’s true that Warlock is capable of the Soul Link, the fact of the matter is that it is in no way shape or form an easy process for a someone to handle(probably one of the many reasons why Warlock doesn’t do it very often). Here we have the Soul Link between Warlock and Surfer inside of the Soul World…
http://img169.imageshack.us/img169/503/tollke2.jpg

....I’m having serious doubts about Warlock’s ability to accomplish such a transfer.

Only one problem ace. We retain knowledge of our past tourney matches (I already checked this with BD). The soul-link happened last match. If you were our round 1 opponent, maybe this would have some weight. Right now, it doesn't have any.

Originally posted by darthgoober
2. Skill/ability transfer. Now you say that the fighting skills and knowledge possessed by all of the individuals involved in the link will be transferred to everyone else correct? Prove it.

Gladly.

"I didn't realize the things you've seen..." quoted directly from Strange's transfer. Thus, Strange has seen (experienced) everything Warlock has. The same is true of all soul-links.

Originally posted by darthgoober
Surfer flat out states that illumination and understanding are not one and the same.

"Understanding" referred to the way Warlock views the universe...his beliefs. Surfer says as much about a panel later. That comment has nothing at all to do with power/experience.

"Now you know all that is Adam Warlock."
"And you Norrin Radd." It doesn't really leave any room for debate. ALL that is Norrin Radd.

Next.

Originally posted by darthgoober
Problem’s with Warlock and the Surfer’s powers
1. Well as we’ve already established, there’s no real proof that Warlock actually has all of Surfer’s abilities.
Yeah there is. I just showed you.

Originally posted by darthgoober
2. In the issue with the power transfer between Surfer and that guy, it’s true that Surfer got his powers back upon the death of the guy he shared it with. However, there’s no proof that such a death was necessary for Surfer to reclaim that power. Point me towards the statement where it’s covered that such a death was actually necessary, and I’ll accept such a claim as fact(until then, it falls under the heading of speculation).

As stated in our writeup, we point out that the power cosmic transfer creates a telepathic bond between the two, so the man knows the entirety of Surfer's struggle, and knows what he must do. Surfer, fully capable of knowing of his death through this link, couldn't summon his power to save his own life until it came on its own.

The burden of proof is with bran/goober here, people. We showed proof, and they have no better defense than saying "Well, despite your on-panel evidence, we can't consider it truth until Stan Lee writes us a letter!"

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goober's next few points are similar, and deal with the transfer stuff. I've justified our position sufficiently, and I'd just be repeating myself a bunch if I answered all of it.

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I also have yet to see anything about what bran/goober will be doing, probably because they need to regroup after the anti-metal c*ck-punch we gave them in our prep. Curious though....I thought 6 people were in the fight, not 3.



Originally posted by darthgoober
1. Like everything else you’ve no proof that the shields put into place by X Man will stay in place after X Man’s powers are returned to him. The power of those shields comes from X-Man himself, and I’m sure he’s going to be plenty P.O. at you guys for stealing those powers in the first place. That means that he’ll in all likelihood take back that power upon escaping from Limbo.

Imagine I'm "Helmet Man". My body spontaneously grows helmets. I give you a helmet, then hop to a different dimension. Your helmet stays.

We had Nate give us "helmets". The psi-blocks stay in place without his constant concentration....the power is no longer an intrinsic part of him, it just originated with him. It's like that with nearly any energy/wielder or telepath.

Originally posted by darthgoober
2. Once again you have absolutely zero proof that Warlock is actually capable of concealing himself from EVERYTHING.
Show me a single instance of him using that particular ability against someone possessing cosmic awareness on the level of Mar-Vell, and your strategy might actually hold water. Because as is, I can come up with numerous scans of Warlock having to sneak around using pure stealth, as opposed to some all concealing sensory effect.

On the level of Mar-vell? Apparently "on the level of IG" isn't enough for you.

Thanos' comment was an ego-driven rebuttal that has nothing to do with this. The fact is, she had total command of all aspects of reality, she BEAT the abstracts, and still couldn't see Warlock.

Furthermore, the comments from Strange/Surfer, affirming that he was undetected because "he is outside the realm of chaos and order" leave it in no doubt. He can do it, one time or not. Without the gem, outside soul world, current version. He's undetectable until he strikes.

And thanks for the reminder of the stealth feats. I'll post those soon.

Originally posted by darthgoober
3. Digi/Scoob’s assessment of Super Adaptoid. Yes it’s true that Super Adaptoid can only use the power of a single individual at a time without risk. But unfortunately for Digi/Scoobs he’s only using the power of a single individual at a time. He’s not copying multiple opponents powers, he’s copy the improved powers of his individual team mates. So he’s in absolutely no danger of using all of those abilities he‘s acquired, so long as he doesn‘t try to use Despero‘s or EX AM‘s powers simultaneously.

So you're admitting that he can't use more than 1 at a time? Cool. So judges, go look at their prep....and you tell me how much Adaptoid's doing.

Originally posted by darthgoober
Despero vs. Thor- Thor’s hammer and arm get stuck in a block of pure admantium.

I guess you didn't get the memo. I'll get you a copy of it.

*send anti-metal-boards-pwns-everything-they-try-with-metal memo to goober*
...see my first post for the scans. It's really quite uber, and you guys are in tons of trouble because of it (i.e. that fancy-ass suit they built in prep is vaporized as soon as the fight starts).

Also: http://img409.imageshack.us/my.php?image=hammerreturnhd6.jpg
...Mjolnir returns from anywhere. Other dimensions, other planets, adamantium blocks. Anywhere.

Speaking of Thor-v-Despero, let's not forget the (planet-busting) power of FL: http://img42.imagevenue.com/img.php?loc=loc199&image=79605_meteorr.jpg
...which directly attacks Despero's burning weakness, and also increases Thor's strength and durability.

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Basically, I'm seeing a lot of "sticking to the plan" when we just out-prepped them and have the clear advantage. Goober apparently isn't even ackowledging the anti-metal, which throws off a good 30-40% of their prep.

All he tried was to discredit us, which isn't happening. Everything we have is backed. And the speculation goober accused us of is really on his end of things...since he's just trying to fudge his way through most of the counter-arguments, using the same scans I'm using for definitive proof.

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Speaking of discrediting, bran/goober have some questions to answer too. But Scoob was telling me his plans on this, and they seemed more complete than mine, so I'll leave the initial strike to him.

Post #1 - Space Phantom/Thor

Digi has shown that Warlock is capable of everything we claimed of him.

About Nate/Warlock implanted mental blocks - Xavier implanted similar, though weaker, blocks in Wolverine a long time ago and, even though Xavier lost his power, the blocks are still there.

http://img354.imageshack.us/img354/2724/psiblock1wz7.th.jpg

Which is proof that psi-blocks still exist even without the power that created them.

And the people shunted to Limbo have no memory of it after they are returned to wherever they came from ... so no need to worry about Nate being annoyed.



Originally posted by darthgoober
2. In the issue with the power transfer between Surfer and that guy, it’s true that Surfer got his powers back upon the death of the guy he shared it with. However, there’s no proof that such a death was necessary for Surfer to reclaim that power. Point me towards the statement where it’s covered that such a death was actually necessary

Likewise, point out where it says it wasn't.

Once the power has left his body it is no longer part of him... true, he constantly regenerates the power within himself and is fueled by the universe which means that he will always be connected to the power cosmic, but that doesn't change the fact that the power he has previously given away, blasted out or used to transmute elements is no longer a part of him

Originally posted by darthgoober
Problems with Thor and Firelord

If there’s one thing that Firelord has shown since inception, it’s that he ain’t Surfer. Assuming that Firelord is capable of the feat preformed by Surfer, is very similar to assuming that someone like John Steward is capable of everything that Hal or Kyle is, just because they technically possess the same powers(and John has actually been at it longer than Kyle, unlike Firelord who was granted the power cosmic LONG after Surfer). And there’s once again no proof that Thor would retain that power in the first place.

Actually, due to the fact that we have all of Surfer's experience to draw from, it's more like saying that if you put Hal's mind in John's body that he would be able to pull out all of Hal's feats ... which he would as it's all a question of knowledge (and willpower in their case)

It's simply a matter of power cosmic transfer, individual powers/feats of various heralds, don't enter into it.

Originally posted by darthgoober
Super Adaptoid has the speed advantage over Space Phantom(unless I happened to miss Sentry being upgraded to having light speed capabilities).

Far beyond lightspeed actually ... he travelled from the earth to the sun in seconds in New Avengers #20

Originally posted by darthgoober
So how much will his powers increase? Well here’s Mar-Vell using his amped power to throw a beating to Drax the Destroyer(who had defeated him before Mar-Vell realized his ability to augment his strength)…
http://img179.imageshack.us/img179/4594/draxowingbw2.jpg

I seriously doubt that even Sentry could withstand that kind of punishment for long.


One punch and one throw don't exactly have us quaking in our boots... there's no way to tell from that scan if Drax was even dazed by that punch and every member of our team is stronger than/can fight better than Drax.

The simple fact is that the Super Adaptoid is not a good fighter, he has no imagination and always relies on power rather than skill to overcome his opponents.

Here's a couple of examples of this.

After gassing Cap, he copies his abilities and steals his shield and is then attacked, only to be beaten by a guy that the real Cap instantly pwns:

1. http://img358.imageshack.us/my.php?image=sacap1ew0.jpg
2. http://img523.imageshack.us/my.php?image=sacap2ro8.jpg
3. http://img523.imageshack.us/my.php?image=sacap3qv5.jpg
4. http://img523.imageshack.us/my.php?image=sacap4nc1.jpg
5. http://img251.imageshack.us/my.php?image=sacap5ez7.jpg
6. http://img523.imageshack.us/my.php?image=sacap6pk1.jpg

Another time, with only the abilities of Iron Man, he gets "Spacey'd":

1. http://img251.imageshack.us/my.php?image=wrongbk0.jpg

And is owned by Cap 1 on 1:

1. http://img505.imageshack.us/my.php?image=11lf4.jpg
2. http://img453.imageshack.us/my.php?image=22gt5.jpg

And his limit isn't the number of abilities he's using, it's the power required to use those abilities:

1. http://img252.imageshack.us/my.php?image=17625832hc0.jpg

With only a light-weight team of Avengers to draw from (Hercules was the most powerful guy there) he overloaded himself ... Despero or Absorbing Man would cause him to explode .. especially if you're throwing the Nega Bands in there.

Adaptoid cannot become more powerful than our guys so he must rely on his skill ... and every time he does that he loses.

But most of that doesn't really matter as the Anti-Metal covered boards we have will cause Apadtoid to dissolve as soon as we get near him.



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Loki claiming AM can become anything he can think of is BS, is there a single example in any comic of Absorbing Man taking on the properties of something he's never come into contact with?

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Despero becoming the Flame of Py'tar means that he is not exposing his biology to it ... if he is the flame then he can't walk through himself.

Not to mention that the flame is totally random and may destroy him if he enters it again.

And Thor w/Firelord powers could easily control, absorb or destroy the flame of Py'tar at will

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So

As there's no way AM can replicate the potion used to create his powers half your prep goes out the window.

As Absorbing Man's physical limits are far below Sentry's full power there's no way he can become strong enough to put up a fight against him.

As Adaptoid can only hold so much power at a time before short circuiting then there's no way he will ever be a threat to a herald level being.

As Adaptoid and Absorbing Man have metallic properties then both will be slaughtered by our teams Anti-Metal boards.

As Despero has a weakness against heat based attacks there's no way he can stand up to a Firelord enhanced Thor.

OK, first, I would like to say good luck.

Bigbran post #1
My characters are Super Adaptoid, and Absorbing Man.
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Then, just to say something... I find it funny that you guys have used NO scans, for this entire thing on Space Phantom. Just assumptions, is it? Who cares if he has turned into Hulk? Has he fully used his powers? Also, AM has turned into Hulk to, no stress on him at all. But when he tried to turn into Sentry when Sentry wasn't holding back, he got creamed (it doesn't matter because you have shown it). So, that shows that Sentry has by far, more power in his system than Hulk. So, just because you can turn into Hulk, doesn't mean you can turn into SS or Sentry. They both have more sources of power than Hulk, whether you say “infinite extra dimensional source of strength”, or not. Fact is, that Sentry, and Surfer have more power than him, and just because he can absorb Hulk, doesn't mean anything, unless you can SHOW us him doing the same thing to a herald level, or hell, give me Surfer's power absorbed.
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Your prep:
OK Soul Link, but I still don't see where you specified how SP's powers work. Based on what you told us, and shown, you could say that he could turn into Galactus.
You know, it is funny, "However, when he attempted to dimensionally displace the Asgardian god Thor, he himself was dispatched to Limbo since his power could not overcome Odin's various enchantments on Thor." Taken from here:
http://www.immortalthor.net/bio-spacephantom.html
So, are you trying to tell me, that he can overcome GALACTUS'S power given to Surfer, or Firelord? So, unless you want to go to Limbo, I suggest switching your character. Plus, it would seem that you don't have to touch a character to turn into him, I am almost certain that this is wrong. Can you prove me wrong?
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SP sharing powers:
Ok, let’s say that he can turn into Surfer (no proof), what makes you think that he can share his powers? Are you forgetting that Surfer has had years of experience with his power? How is SP going to master Surfer’s power in a couple minutes? Plus, Warlock can control Surfer’s board, that is all he has been shown to do. He has never made Surfer give up all his power, and it would almost be foolish to say that he can. That would mean that he has complete control over Surfer, which he doesn’t. Also, wasn’t Warlock’s soul link BEFORE Surfer shared all his power?

SP won’t be sharing his powers, nor will he be getting powers from Surfer.
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Firelord:
Same as SP turning into Surfer. Plus, Firelord, to my knowledge has never gave up some of his powers.
http://server6.theimagehosting.com/image.php?img=Annihilation3-011.jpg&album=0&fullsize=1
That is why, Firelord isn’t sharing his powers. Just because Surfer can, doesn’t mean Firelord is doing anything of the sort.
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Black Panther:
He has little anti-metal claws, but, you are going to have to slash at us to make them succeed, since they aren’t as good as the big stuff (the things that destroyed Ultron). Plus, when it destroyed Ultron, Hank beat on him, to put him down. Plus, as my partener has pointed out, Warlock won’t have every power of Surfer, and hasn’t shown it. Also, how will SP get Black Panther’s power in the first place? Just because Thor knows him? Well, Thor doesn’t know everything about BP. Plus, you have never explained how SP’s powers are going to work. Imagination? Well, if that is the case, then based on Thor’s imagination, SP won’t get those anti-metal daggers. It really makes no sense of what you are trying to do with SP. Doesn’t he have to touch, or be around someone to use their powers? If that is the case, then you can only be Warlock, and Thor (oh wait, you can’t be Thor). So, SP is nothing, nothing in this battle. Or can he use powers that he previously had? If that is the case, then you can be Hulk, or Giant Man (a few others, but these are the only good ones). Wow, SP, is really less than a nuisance in this battle.
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X-Man:
Just because Thor knows him (check last point), doesn’t mean that SP will be turning into Nate (Darth has pointed this out and other things if you could turn into him). This all goes back to no proof for the things you want SP to do. Also, just because he COULD (not saying he can) take these powers, he still doesn’t have the experience to use them like Nate could. He won’t make powerful psi-shields, because he doesn’t have experience. You think he will instantly master his powers? He would be more like a child Frank Richards (I say this because he was more powerful) with his power (no understanding). Sure he might be able to pull something off (not what he wants though), but he won’t have the ability to just whip up a shield. Hell, even Franklin Richards would have more experience, and all of his powers were random, how do you expect SP to function?
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Stardust/Mjolnir + shields:
Completely ignoring all of the past things about SP, so, um, you expect all these powers to come from the soul link, right? Well, Surfer/Warlock’s soul link, was way before Stardust came onto the scene. Meaning, that, the soul link would transfer no knowledge of Stardust, whatsoever. Hell, Surfer first met Stardust last year; the soul link was way back in the IG saga. So, even if SP’s powers worked like you think they do, you still aren’t turning into Stardust.
OK, you threw up shield with JUST Warlock you mean? Because Warlock isn’t getting Surfer’s powers.
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Undetected/fights:
Um… in the same scan, Surfer, Thanos, and Strange all saw Warlock. (Darth has already dealt with the other things).
Actually, we are equal in speed.
(Darth has already said some things about your powers if they work anyway) How exactly are you going to add in Antarctic Vibranium into the board? I mean, no one really knows about Black Panther on your team, and they wouldn’t know everything about him, but that isn’t all, you haven’t even shown how SP uses his powers. If it is like you are implying, then Thor should know really nothing of these claws, and how they work. Plus, if all SP needs is an image of the character, then how would he get their powers, and such. It makes no sense, unless he has to touch his opponent (which would make him useless, like I already pointed out).
Plus, Warlock won’t gain Surfer’s powers (I already pointed this out), and even if he could, and everyone had boards, only Warlock could use it.
Here’s why:
http://img440.imageshack.us/img440/8928/surfersboardjr3.jpg
So, unless you are going to have Warlock control his own board, and the two others, they are completely irrelevant. I don’t think you want Warlock to focus on everyone else’s board, while he is in the midst of a battle. That would make him completely vulnerable. The good news for you though, is that you won’t have to focus on these nuisances, since you won’t get Surfer’s powers.
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Thor/anti-force blast + Thor’s reaction times:
You guys forgot what happened to Thanos about two pages later.
http://img226.imageshack.us/my.php?image=nvrbeenwithagirlowned3tka3.jpg
He came out completely unscathed.
Also, since you didn’t funnel any energy into his hammer that blast will just not be participating in this battle.
That wasn’t reaction time, that was him swinging his hammer doing something. Thor didn’t dodge anything, all Thor shown, was that he can carve something at speeds faster than mortal eyes can follow. Are you going to have Thor carve something?
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Thor’s powers:
Thor has no control over his board. Thor doesn’t have Firelord’s powers (I already explained), and if he did, he would also have to carry around Firelord’s staff… kind of negates his strength? He would have both hands full, and most of Thor’s powerful blasts, come with him holding on with both hands. But, you can also thank me on this one, since Thor won’t get Firelord’s powers (previous comments).
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Sentry:
Same thing as Stardust. OK, SP has turned into Hulk. How about we use the scan that you so politely put up for me? AM has easily used Hulk’s power, easily. He has also used Sentry’s powers easily. As soon as Sentry said he wasn’t holding back though, he completely overloaded him with energy. How in the hell is SP going to handle that kind of energy? Throw Hulk’s power out the window, since AM has also been there, and done that. So, no proof then?
Plus, no one on your team really knows anything about Sentry (soul link), so even if we have Space Phantom’s “mysterious”, unexplained power, he still isn’t turning into Sentry.
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EX AM:
Well, since YOU brought up him beating no one. Why don’t I just go in for your hypothical situation (since that is what I see your SP turning into people as), of you turning into Surfer?
http://img179.imageshack.us/img179/5656/universex1207em2.jpg
Also, none of your team has the same ability as Vision, so it doesn’t matter who he lost to.
And again, you won’t be turning into Sentry.
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Rundown:
Actually we are the same speed, and Warlock won’t be undetectable. Oh, and we have better reflexes and we have one of the best cosmic awareness’s ever witnessed in Marvel.
Actually, when I think of it, Thor can only really travel the top speed in a straight line, and Warlock can travel it. SP has nothing, but, two of our guys have the top speed, and Darth has dealt with Despero.

I already dealt with the boards. For your next statement, it is UNKNOWN of what Anti-Metal does to Uru, but hey, it doesn’t matter since you won’t use it.

Nope, no advantages, just Thor, and Warlock, and whatever you want to switch SP into, since your strategy won’t work.

Darth already dealt with this. Plus, you won’t have any psi-defenses, and the only person you can argue this for really, is Thor.

Since SP is just a waste of space, that gives us another advantage. It is two against one basically (unless you turn him into Hulk, I would).
After that, we win.

Digi Post #3

Bran is a good debator and also a good guy, but it's obvious he either didn't read through our explanations fully or simply didn't understand much of it.

Also, quite honestly, I'm getting tired alreayd of unfounded attempts to discredit us. Bran/Goober have barely started arguing for THEIR team...all they do is bash us.

I can spend all week defending our strategy. It's all completely legit. But it's getting a little bit ridiculous.

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I will say this: We still have the power advantage due to our power meshing. I'm about to shoot down all attempts to discredit our strategy, and they're not even trying to deal with us at full strength. And that's because they can't.

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Originally posted by bigbran
Then, just to say something... I find it funny that you guys have used NO scans, for this entire thing on Space Phantom. Just assumptions, is it? Who cares if he has turned into Hulk? Has he fully used his powers? Also, AM has turned into Hulk to, no stress on him at all. But when he tried to turn into Sentry when Sentry wasn't holding back, he got creamed (it doesn't matter because you have shown it). So, that shows that Sentry has by far, more power in his system than Hulk. So, just because you can turn into Hulk, doesn't mean you can turn into SS or Sentry. They both have more sources of power than Hulk, whether you say “infinite extra dimensional source of strength”, or not.

Sentry's powers were energy-based. Hulk's are purely strength. It's comparing apples and oranges. But both are "potentially infinite" (what isn't in comics these days).

And as to "Has he used Hulk's powers?" Yes, he's punched and stuff. But he has centuries of battle experience and skill via the soul-link. If you're trying to make an argument that he lacks skill, it's flat-out wrong.

Originally posted by bigbran
You know, it is funny, "However, when he attempted to dimensionally displace the Asgardian god Thor, he himself was dispatched to Limbo since his power could not overcome Odin's various enchantments on Thor."

...this is the 2nd time we've fielded this. It was the magical enchantments that blocked SP from becoming Thor. We knew this and didn't hide it from anyone...SP can't do magic. He's like the anti-Black Alice. So you're just beating a dead horse...the entire tourney knew this during drafts. It's not a new "tactic" to use against us.

Originally posted by bigbran
Ok, let’s say that he can turn into Surfer, what makes you think that he can share his powers?

Er, the scans we showed where he did exactly that.

Originally posted by bigbran
Are you forgetting that Surfer has had years of experience with his power? How is SP going to master Surfer’s power in a couple minutes?

Soul-link, from round 1. The entire basis for our prep...which we've been over probably two dozen times.

Originally posted by bigbran
Plus, Warlock can control Surfer’s board, that is all he has been shown to do. He has never made Surfer give up all his power, and it would almost be foolish to say that he can.

We're not making Surfer do anything. SP becomes him, does the transfer that he learned via the soul-link, etc.

...bran beats this theme to death some more. But again, he accuses us of "not posting scans of support" when we have proven evidence of everything we're doing. It's bran/goober taking shots at our prep that aren't backed by anything other than speculation.

Originally posted by bigbran
Black Panther:
He has little anti-metal claws, but, you are going to have to slash at us to make them succeed, since they aren’t as good as the big stuff (the things that destroyed Ultron).

This is where I'm thinking he didn't read. We copied the anti-metal, but not the form of the claws. Our entire boards are covered in it....so yeah, we have 3 nigh-lightspeed weapons coated in anti-metal that are just as powerful as the stuff that utterly destroyed Ultron.

Originally posted by bigbran
Plus, when it destroyed Ultron, Hank beat on him, to put him down.

...look at the rest of it though. It was disintigrating all metal in the area.

Originally posted by bigbran
Plus, you have never explained how SP’s powers are going to work. Imagination? Well, if that is the case, then based on Thor’s imagination, SP won’t get those anti-metal daggers.

I...um...I'm not even sure this makes sense. SP's powers work because they're his powers. He becomes people. It's what he does. And unlike your shady EXAM = GL arguments, it's actually in his power-set.

And what does Thor have to do with our anti-metal? BP comes with his standard equipment, as per KMC vs. forum standards. And I posted the official Marvel bio of BP that states he has the claws.

Originally posted by bigbran
X-Man:
He won’t make powerful psi-shields, because he doesn’t have experience. You think he will instantly master his powers?

Once again, he's not flying blind. He has the telepathic XP of Strange, Surfer, and Warlock (also a telepath) will be guiding him through it.

Originally posted by bigbran
Stardust/Mjolnir + shields:
Well, Surfer/Warlock’s soul link, was way before Stardust came onto the scene. Meaning, that, the soul link would transfer no knowledge of Stardust, whatsoever. Hell, Surfer first met Stardust last year; the soul link was way back in the IG saga. So, even if SP’s powers worked like you think they do, you still aren’t turning into Stardust.
OK, you threw up shield with JUST Warlock you mean? Because Warlock isn’t getting Surfer’s powers.

You're thinking too small bran. Warlock is a former wielder of the IG, and was one with the entire Marvel universe...past, present, and future. For proof, I could post scans where he talks about his own future.

So he knows everyone in Marvel ever. Everyone. It doesn't matter when Surfer met Stardust, because we're not using Surfer's memories here. Same with BP, although Thor most certainly knows of him as well.



Originally posted by bigbran
Undetected/fights:
Um… in the same scan, Surfer, Thanos, and Strange all saw Warlock. (Darth has already dealt with the other things).

They were his allies. Are you saying he can be invisible to a wielder of the IG but not a few herald-level people?? Please.

Besides, the invisible thing is just to determine matchups and have the element of surprise. You're agreeing to Thor vs. Despero, and Warlock's invisibility will ensure we determine the other two.

But it barely matters. Any of our people can beat any of yours. It's just picking your poison.

Originally posted by bigbran
So, unless you are going to have Warlock control his own board, and the two others, they are completely irrelevant.

He's loaning the power the same way SP gave it to Warlock. He won't need to control all 3 boards. Yet again, just a completely wrong assumption.

Originally posted by bigbran
Thor didn’t dodge anything, all Thor shown, was that he can carve something at speeds faster than mortal eyes can follow. Are you going to have Thor carve something?

Yeah, Despero.


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The rest of bran's post uses his erroneous assumptions, so they're not worth responding to.

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Other stuff.

1. We can still simply transmute EXAM into helium (or an element of our choosing) with either Surfer or Thor. We've posted both of them showing their transmutations abilities with great skill (in my Post #1, for reference)

2. Scoob explained our stance on their prep better than I could, but in a nutshell, EXAM "becoming the potion" that he was made with is utter bullocks. Also, the whole imagination hypothesis is just that...a guess. They don't have 1 scan of EXAM understanding Loki's message or putting it into use. It's complete and total speculation.

3. Speed might be roughly equal. But Warlock's invisible, so advantage us.

4. Anti-Metal boards are still a b*tch to deal with. They can't become any metal and most of their tricks won't work. But I see they were smart enough to stop talking about that suit we vaporized that they spent so long building in their prep.

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Post #2 - Space Phantom/Thor

Since you demanded scans.....

Originally posted by bigbran
it would seem that you don't have to touch a character to turn into him, I am almost certain that this is wrong. Can you prove me wrong?

Yup.

Here's how it works:

http://img505.imageshack.us/img505/4410/spacephantom3si8.th.jpg

Power level is irrelevant, unless it's magical power.

And here ...

http://img505.imageshack.us/img505/830/spacephantomb1pe5.th.jpg

He wasn't even on the same planet as that guy when he switched form ... and he's never taken that body before that comic.

He couldn't take Thor because of Odin's enchantments and he couldn't take Captain Marvel because he was joined to Rick Jones:

http://img510.imageshack.us/img510/3453/spcptmarvelga0.th.jpg

Originally posted by bigbran
how will SP get Black Panther’s power in the first place? Just because Thor knows him? Well, Thor doesn’t know everything about BP

Thor has read the Avenger's files on all allies and enemies ... it's compulsory for every Avenger to do this.

Originally posted by bigbran
Also, just because he COULD (not saying he can) take these powers, he still doesn’t have the experience to use them like Nate could.

He has all of Warlock's expertise in telepathy to draw from, as well as the Surfer's... and Space Phantom has a decent level of control over the powers of everyone he mimics.

http://img505.imageshack.us/img505/1861/spzl9.th.jpg http://img505.imageshack.us/img505/6696/spacephantomb3px0.th.jpg

It's an innate ability for him to know the basic powers of those he copies.

Originally posted by bigbran
How exactly are you going to add in Antarctic Vibranium into the board?

By molecular rearrangement.

Originally posted by bigbran
and even if he could, and everyone had boards, only Warlock could use it.
Here’s why:
http://img440.imageshack.us/img440/8928/surfersboardjr3.jpg

Soul link - http://img85.imageshack.us/my.php?image=warlockinfinity23222dl.jpg

We're all soul linked so we all have that ability.

Originally posted by bigbran
Thor didn’t dodge anything, all Thor shown, was that he can carve something at speeds faster than mortal eyes can follow. Are you going to have Thor carve something?

Sure ... what do you want written on your team's gravestones?



Here's a minor speed feat though:

http://img264.imageshack.us/img264/9739/kosmagnirodinlevelbeingbc6.th.jpg http://img452.imageshack.us/img452/1696/kosmagnirodinlevelbeingfm3.th.jpg

Thor, while fighting two Enchanters (beings close to Odin's power level who can use Mjolnir) he has microseconds to KO Magnir before their enchantment over Mjolnir fries him.

And another:

http://img260.imageshack.us/img260/2761/psychicblock4es.th.jpg

Thor is fast enough to reflect a telepathic bolt ... those things travel virtually instantaneously.

Originally posted by bigbran
Thor ... would also have to carry around Firelord’s staff… kind of negates his strength

Not at all, Firelord has flown and fought many times with only one hand on his staff (that sounded way more deviant that was intended) ... in fact, the addition of power cosmic to his own might will increase his strength beyond anyone on your team's ability to handle him.

Originally posted by bigbran
Plus, no one on your team really knows anything about Sentry

Thor knows Sentry.

http://img400.imageshack.us/my.php?image=sentrythoryl9.jpg

Originally posted by bigbran
it is UNKNOWN of what Anti-Metal does to Uru

Anti-Metal doesn't effect Uru ... Digi already showed Thor standing in it's effect field and then being the one to put the anti-metal back into it's container ... all the while carrying Mjolnir.

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I realise that you feel your only chance at winning is to discredit our team's abilities but, unfortunately for you, everything we have done is perfectly within the scope of our character's powers.

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Not too much to add, offensively speaking.

Your metallic Absorbing Man and Adaptoid are taken out easily by our anti-metal boards.

Despero can't handle intense heat .... we have Firelord's power.

If Absorbing Man drops the metal in time to survive the board attack then Sentry will pwn the hell out of him.

Ok just so everybody knows, I honestly didn’t try to damage ANYONE’S creditability with my previous post(nor am I trying to do so now). I’m simply unconvinced that some of the actions taken by the opposing team could actually be preformed in the way they described them(I honestly meant no offense to anyone). Anyway….

(Since there are many things to which I need to respond to, but only so much space to work with, I’m going to have to do it this way.)


About the soul link…
Whether or not strain of the initial soul link was to great for the opposing team to have initially complete such a link in the first round is still very relative to the current match. Because if they where never really able to pull that off in the first round, then their team is still short of the info that they’ve been credited with.

Dr. Stranges statement of "I didn't realize the things you've seen...", doesn’t really prove anything. Don’t get me wrong, it is possible to interpret what he said the way Digi’s describing, but it’s also possible to interpret it in other ways too. It’s a vague statement that isn’t in and of itself proof. Show me Warlock actually using Strange’s spells. For that matter, show me Surfer or Eric Masterson using Strange’s spells(since they both soul linked with Warlock after Strange, they’d have Strange’s totality of experience too). I’ve yet to see ANYONE try to credit Surfer or Masterson as being equal to Strange in magic in a single vs. thread, and I’m willing to bet that the reason behind that is that everyone realizes that there’s no real proof that those kinds of things are transferred.

"Now you know all that is Adam Warlock.", "And you Norrin Radd.” unfortunately DOES leave room for debate. It COULD mean what Digi’s saying, or it could mean that they saw everything that happened to them, or it could mean that had a ride along flash back of each others lives, or any number of other things. I’m not saying that it’s not possible, I’m saying that there’s not enough actual proof to make the determination.


About Warlock and Surfer’s powers….
While Surfer may have possessed a telepathic bond with the man he split his power with, his not recalling that power still doesn’t prove anything. Surfer was beaten and battered when the man died, and was barely even conscious.

The blast that tore Surfer up
http://img292.imageshack.us/img292/1622/suferfupwy6.jpg

And here’s a close up of the scan provided by Digi, just so everyone is sure of just what kind of shape Surfer was in
http://img292.imageshack.us/img292/1019/batteredxo7.jpg

The fact is that Surfer COULDN’T really afford to take his power back before the man died, because the man needed that power to complete the mission that Surfer sent him on, and died completing it(so if Surfer had taken the power back, the man wouldn’t have accomplished his mission).

The man dying
http://img292.imageshack.us/img292/5787/dyingku2.jpg

So the man died and Surfer got his power back. It’s still never covered whether or not that was necessary, and the defense that Surfer COULDN’T summon his own power is weak considering the fact that Surfer was so battered that he probably wasn’t capable of coherent thought until he got that power back.

And everyone seems to be ignoring this particular tidbit that directly contradicts Digi/Scoobs theory on the matter…
http://img250.imageshack.us/img250/9130/hispowersg7.jpg

His powers are a part of him that CAN’T be given or stripped away.


Originally posted by DigiMark007
The burden of proof is with bran/goober here, people. We showed proof, and they have no better defense than saying "Well, despite your on-panel evidence, we can't consider it truth until Stan Lee writes us a letter!"
Wrong. The burden of proof WOULD be on us, except that you never really proved anything. The proof you provided is circumstantial at best ”Well, the guy died before Surfer got his power back, so that must have been necessary”, and it directly contradicts the proof that I provided of Surfer realizing that he CAN’T give his powers away permanently.


Warlock’s “invisibility”…
Warlock being undetectable by Nebula still isn’t proof that he’ll be able to remain undetectable by Mar-Vell’s cosmic awareness. If Nebula had actually demonstrated some big act of awareness that would be one thing, but she never really did that. With her having the IG, she should have known the minds of everybody present even if Warlock where hidden from her somehow. So she it seems that she wasn’t really aware of anything that wasn’t overly obvious. Our opponents are trying to build a case over something that seems to be nothing more than ill defined plot device that isn’t well defined enough to count on/


Firelord using Surfer’s feats…
Galactus gave Norrin more power than the rest of his heralds, and Surfer has shown to be capable of more. Firelord's done nothing to indicate that he's capable of EVERYTHING that Surfer is. He MIGHT theoretically possess that ability, but it’s never really been covered. And it's really inconsequential since no one’s proven that the effects would linger after Firelord got out of Limbo anyway.


About OUR team…
Originally posted by Scoobless
One punch and one throw don't exactly have us quaking in our boots... there's no way to tell from that scan if Drax was even dazed by that punch and every member of our team is stronger than/can fight better than Drax.

The simple fact is that the Super Adaptoid is not a good fighter, he has no imagination and always relies on power rather than skill to overcome his opponents.

Well if the final page of the battle isn't good to show the increase in power, here's the previois two pages also... http://img354.imageshack.us/img354/2717/cmth3.jpg
http://img249.imageshack.us/img249/8259/cm2bh6.jpg

And SA DOES get the fighting skills of people he's copied, it's just that skill isn't always enough. In one of the scans that Scoobs actually posted, Cap explains this
http://img453.imageshack.us/my.php?image=22gt5.jpg


As far as Super Adaptoid, the number of powers is in fact the limit of his abilities. He’s only shorted out when he attempted to use multiple people’s abilities at once, it‘s NEVER happened unless he did that). As far as the POWER of the people he’s copied, he’s got guys like Blastaar, Annihilus(the guy that just killed Quasar with ease), and Captain Mar-Vell(with the Nega Bands) to his credit. And he’s also got this guy…
http://img216.imageshack.us/img216/6651/cubewz4.jpg
For those who don’t know, that’s an evolved cosmic cube Adaptoid just copied.


About Despero…
He doesn’t have to walk through the flame again. He’s taking on the properties of the Flame itself, along with his body from that time period. There is no “Fire” for Firelord to control(though no one‘s actually proven that Thor will still have Firelords powers, or that he was able to aquire them in the first place), the energy is internal.

Now the reason why I don’t seem concerned about the anti metal surf boards I keep hearing about, is because it still hasn’t been proven that the surf boards are even present. In order for the surfboards to be present, Warlock would actually have to have Surfer’s skill with the power cosmic. It still hasn’t been proven that he actually has that. The closest thing to proof that’s been provided, are the statements "I didn't realize the things you've seen..." And "Now you know all that is Adam Warlock.", "And you Norrin Radd.” , and those just aren’t concrete enough to base such an assumption on. Once again I ask, who here is willing to back Surfer or Eric Masterson in a vs. thread as being the equal of Dr. Strange in sorcery based solely off of those statements?

To Digi/Scoobs, once again I’ll take the time to say that I’m in no way trying to damage either of your creditability, I’m simply unsatisfied with the evidence that’s been provided at this point. There’s really no point in my responding to anything other than the holes I see in your prep time until those issue’s are resolved, because those are the very things that have the most bearing on this match. I’m not trying to spite you or anything like that, but there’s no point in my debating what happens in the fight between Sentry with an anti metal covered surfboard and Super Adaptoid, will I don’t feel you’ve actually shown that he’ll in fact HAVE that anti metal covered surf board in the first place.

Digi Post #4

It's becoming painfully obvious that their main strategy is simply to discredit us in every phase of our strategy. I would too in their position, because they have no other options. We're dominating the exchange, unless you buy into the unfounded arguments against our prep.

Most of the stuff I dealt with in my last couple posts. Between Scoob's SP scans and me shoring up the vailidity of everything else, there isn't much more to cover. Still, I'll respond to a few points just to drive it home.

Originally posted by darthgoober
Ok just so everybody knows, I honestly didn’t try to damage ANYONE’S creditability with my previous post(nor am I trying to do so now).

No worries bud.

I realize it's arguments against our strategy, not us personally. And the same goes for anything I say (except for that filthy bran guy )


Originally posted by darthgoober
About the soul link…Whether or not strain of the initial soul link was to great for the opposing team to have initially complete such a link in the first round is still very relative to the current match. Because if they where never really able to pull that off in the first round, then their team is still short of the info that they’ve been credited with.

Strange was fine moments after. Surfer holding his head was momentary, at best. You're trying to make something out of nothing. And as stated before, the link happened last match, so any strain on us is completely gone.

Originally posted by darthgoober
Dr. Stranges statement of "I didn't realize the things you've seen...", doesn’t really prove anything.

Except that he has seen the things Warlock's seen....my point exactly. Moving on.

Originally posted by darthgoober
Show me Warlock actually using Strange’s spells.

Why? So that we can have Warlock use his spells in our match? I didn't know you wanted MORE of a beatdown.

Anyway, here's your proof: Without ever asking, Warlock later innately knows that Strange can teleport them places (during the IG arc) and that he can negate the affects of the IG momentarily (when Nebula tries to kill them). He has knowledge of Strange without ever talking to him....it's all via the soul-link.

Warlock controlling Surfer's board (Scoob posted it earlier) is another great example of experience learned.

Originally posted by darthgoober
"Now you know all that is Adam Warlock.", "And you Norrin Radd.” unfortunately DOES leave room for debate. It COULD mean what Digi’s saying, or it could mean that they saw everything that happened to them, or it could mean that had a ride along flash back of each others lives, or any number of other things.

You're making the argument for me. Flashback, a series of thoughts, visions, experiences, etc. Any of those accomplish what we need to, because they're still seeing ALL of the things that the other one has.


Originally posted by darthgoober
And everyone seems to be ignoring this particular tidbit that directly contradicts Digi/Scoobs theory on the matter…
http://img250.imageshack.us/img250/9130/hispowersg7.jpg
His powers are a part of him that CAN’T be given or stripped away.
...except we have our scan where he does exactly this, gives his power away. Kinda defeats the argument that it "can't happen".

Originally posted by darthgoober
Warlock’s “invisibility”…
Warlock being undetectable by Nebula still isn’t proof that he’ll be able to remain undetectable by Mar-Vell’s cosmic awareness.

Sure it is, because:
A. IG-endowed senses >>>>>>>>>>> Cosmic Awareness.
B. Cosmic awareness is predicated on the reality that is the Marvel Universe, but Warlock stands outside normal reality.

...a "reality storm" not affecting him:
http://img249.imageshack.us/img249/6052/realityblockmr5.th.jpg
...and Chaos and Order, abstract entities, saying that even they can't see Warlock's future. His life is beyond fate, and beyond cosmic awareness:
http://img249.imageshack.us/img249/4811/destinyab8.th.jpg

So this should lay it completely to rest. I'd rather not have to defend this a 4th time.

Originally posted by darthgoober
And SA DOES get the fighting skills of people he's copied, it's just that skill isn't always enough. In one of the scans that Scoobs actually posted, Cap explains this

Bran/Goober have already admitted SA can't use more than 1 power at a time. This severely limits him. And no one power that he could copy and/or use is anywhere near powerful enough to tangle with the likes of Warlock(with Surfer's power) or anyone on our team, really.

He's outclassed even if he could use multiple powers.

Originally posted by darthgoober
About Despero…
He doesn’t have to walk through the flame again. He’s taking on the properties of the Flame itself, along with his body from that time period. There is no “Fire” for Firelord to control.

Moot point. Despero is still vulnerable to normal fire, and Thor has all the power of FL, Marvel's most harcore fire-wielder. FL can bust small planets (scan posted earlier)...and he's directly attacking Despero's weakness. Add that to Thor's speed on a board, and his own power and fighting prowess, and you have yourself a beatdown.

Originally posted by darthgoober
Now the reason why I don’t seem concerned about the anti metal surf boards I keep hearing about, is because it still hasn’t been proven that the surf boards are even present.

Well, um, they are. We already proved all that.

And even if we didn't make boards (which we did), we'd still have the anti-metal.

And the anti-metal, as I'm sure you know, can BBQ-Pwn your fancy suit for EXAM, EXAM himself, and all your adamantium tricks.

...

Hopefully I'm done justifying our prep. But it's cool if I'm not. Like I said, I can defend our strategy all week, and bran/goober may not have much choice because they're so solidly outclassed.

Digi Post #5

So since I have some posts to play around with, I'll make a brief statement that summarizes my thoughts on the battle so far.

...

A. Offensive firepower
Thor at base levels, and Warlock with Surfer's power, can both simply transmute EXAM out of the fight by turning him into a harmless substance. See my 1st post for scans. Our anti-metal-covered boards will tear up his suit of armor, as well as tear up EXAM himself since they've been doing metal-related stuff with him.

B. If you believe the nonsense about EXAM becoming the potion that made him (you shouldn;t...they have no proof beyond Loki's speculation of what he's capable of...EXAM has never displayed such powers) we can still simply transmute whoever they give AM's powers to.

C. Questions
Scoob has proven the SP stuff with concrete evidence. I have proven Warlock's capabilities with logic and scans. Feel free to peruse the MANY times they tried to question me if you need further justification. They don't have a solid strategy in this fight, so they had to attack ours. It's their only option, and it's not working.

D. EXAM will be boned by Sentry even without all the other stuff I mentioned. He's simply beyond AM's ability to absorb.

E. Adaptoid's the weakest person here. He gets out-fought by Cap on several occasions, can only use 1 power at a time, and isn't nearly as good as bran/goober would have you believe.

F. Who's thinking of that?
We have Adam Warlock, the best strategic mind in Marvel, and with full knowledge of our team due to the soul link, leading us. Who exactly on their team is supposed to be thinking up this insane (and not doable) strategy? Adaptoid? The man who gets punked by Cap all the time. Despero? A smart enough guy, but more about punching things than out-thinking opponents. Creel? Our plan is doable, because we have a believable means by which our team will think of this strategy. But there's no way in a thousand years that if you threw together bran/goober's team that they'd think up that nonsense.

...

To me, it's about looking at what WILL happen, not what could happen. We have them beaten regardless of what they do, but they're standing on tenuous ground to begin with, and a far-fetched plan, or a lack of a plan (as evidenced by their single-minded devotion to attacking our plan) isn't the way they're going to win.

Post #3 - Space Phantom/Thor

Our guys punch your guys hard .... wicked hard! ... IN THE FACE!!!

http://img459.imageshack.us/my.php?image=punch2qt1.jpg

your guys start crying and run home to tell their mommas.

http://img400.imageshack.us/my.php?image=crybabyss1.jpg




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Well, if they don't post, then we have nothing to respond to.

Originally posted by Scoobless
Post #3 - Space Phantom/Thor

Our guys punch your guys hard .... wicked hard! ... IN THE FACE!!!

http://img459.imageshack.us/my.php?image=punch2qt1.jpg




....

But yeah, they haven't posted in a few days, and have gotten about 5 votes in the poll during that time.



...in the future I'd vote for just 5 judges. I have no problem with losing if they legitimately beat us, but when it seems like not posting = votes, I start getting a bit upset. I'm not blaming bran/goober....they've been good opponents, and I'm sure they have their reasons for not being around as much. But judges who are going to read through everything are in my opinion perferable.

Hey everyone, sorry I haven't been on in a while but my mom had to go to the hospital the other day so I've been spending time with her there. But she's checking out tomorrow(which is why I'm back on now), and I'm working on my next post right now. So if it's possible, I'd appreciate it if the judges would be good enough to refrain from voting until tomorrow evening, that way it gives bigbran and I time to make our case(I don't really know where bigbran's been cause I haven't talked to him in a couple of days, but he probably has a good reason too). I'll understand if the judges would rather just go ahead and vote at midnight(after all, we DID agree to the timetable), I just thought I'd ask.

My best wishes to your mom goober, and I'd extend the same request to the judges to hold off until the end (if we have judges yet, that is).

Originally posted by DigiMark007
My best wishes to your mom goober, and I'd extend the same request to the judges to hold off until the end (if we have judges yet, that is).
Cool, thanks Digi. I'm working on my post right now, and I plan on putting it up before I go to bed. I might even make 2 or 3 post(if I can't sleep tonight that is), cause that hospital was boring as Hell when my mom was asleep and I had nothing better to do than to go over our match.

Back to work....

Post #4 - Space Phantom/Thor

Basically just a recap.

Soul link = shared experience.

Power cosmic transfer = Warlock/Surfer & Thor/Firelord combined powersets.

Space Phantom becomes Sentry.

Anti-metal covered surfboards for everyone = any metallic people on their team (and there are at least 2) being pwned

Sentry >> Absorbing Man:

http://img253.imageshack.us/img253/1267/sentry17yt.th.jpg http://img166.imageshack.us/img166/5696/sentry25sy.th.jpg

Thor/Firelord >> Despero:

http://img259.imageshack.us/img259/8844/burning1ob6.th.jpg http://img259.imageshack.us/img259/944/burning2yc9.th.jpg

Sentry could probably produce enough heat to fry Despero as well.

Super Adaptoid = owned by anti-metal.

_________


That covers pretty much everything.



There's really no way for our team to lose to these guys.

http://img459.imageshack.us/img459/8240/punch2qt1.th.jpg

Ok folks sorry for the delay(again), but here we go...



There are some things that need to be cleared up about our team.

1. I don’t know where we got our wires crossed, but there seems to be a misunderstanding about Super Adaptoid’s abilities. He’s not limited to using one POWER at a time, it’s using the powers from more than one of his character templates at a time(and even then it‘s not certain that he‘ll short out). However, in this case he’s still only one character’s template(improved version of Despero), it’s just that he happens to have a large power set available to him. Expanded power set’s don’t really qualify as a cause for a short circuit on his part, because he’s copied the likes of Mar-Vell with the Nega Bands and Thor with Mjolnir, both of whom have a different power set than their items(since the items are included in the individual character template Super Adaptoid suffers from no ill effects). The only time we had him assume the form of more than one character at a time was during our prep phase, and he wasn’t using any of those powers(the requirement for his short circuiting), he was just standing there letting his team mates absorb.

Super Adaptoid assumes the form of more than one individual(4 in fact)
,but doesn’t short out because he’s not actively using all of their powers at once.
http://img187.imageshack.us/img187/8991/multipletemplatesls3.jpg

Again(5 this time)
http://img145.imageshack.us/img145/7822/againnb3.jpg

Dealing with a single ultra powerful character template(more powerful than the one he’s using for this match) without no difficulty
http://img216.imageshack.us/img216/6651/cubewz4.jpg


2. As far as our teams ability to become anything they imagine as opposed to things that they‘ve touched/absorbed, there is evidence to support it. Like when EX AM took on the properties of a math equation in order to beat Wanda(seriously, what would he have absorbed those properties from). Or when he replaced all missing vibranium from Earth X to save the planet from destruction(he’d never done that, which is why Loki had to explain why it was possible for him to do so).

Saving planet by becoming Earth X’s missing supply of vibranium
http://img249.imageshack.us/img249/1576/joiningwiththeearthmi5.jpg

And it seems that Loki, having created the potion that gave EX AM his powers in the first place and having years to reflect on what he’d done, is about the most creditable source for detailed info on EX AM’s true abilities. So once again, here’s Loki giving EX AM an explanation of his true powers…
http://img220.imageshack.us/img220/6994/universexx30up0.th.jpg

*Note* I know that EX AM is bigbran’s character, but since the argument against our team being able to assume any form they can imagine at will applies to ALL of our characters(since they‘re all assuming other forms), I think I should point stuff like that out. If I’m wrong, though, tell me and I’ll stop.


3. Despero may have had a weakness to fire at one point (and acquired it back since), but that’s irrelevant because he’s taken a form with no such weakness(in fact he‘s immune), and has some impressive pyrokinetic feats of his own.

Despero at the Flame of Py'tar
http://img413.imageshack.us/img413/4401/994590078lt.th.jpg
http://img258.imageshack.us/img258/540/441446930jw.th.jpg

Despero creating another Flame
http://img256.imageshack.us/img256/1470/127691195nq.th.jpg
http://img440.imageshack.us/img440/6475/859004879qu.th.jpg

Despero showing off some pyro effects and immunity to fire
http://img440.imageshack.us/img440/2623/934138134lh.th.jpg
http://img440.imageshack.us/img440/706/846285055vk.th.jpg
http://img406.imageshack.us/img406/9362/880416007uj.th.jpg
http://img406.imageshack.us/img406/3604/650295164ob.th.jpg
http://img253.imageshack.us/img253/9332/desfireed0.jpg

As far as the proposed tactic of transmutation of our team(since they're all “Absorbing Men” now), I don’t see how that's really viable here. Direct matter transmutation on the opposing team is a banned manuver for the battle, and it would be a waste of time. Turning AM into helium might have been a threat back in the day, but now he does that kind of thing voluntarily for transportation so we should be fine.
http://img122.imageshack.us/img122/1559/captainamericav302423nn6.jpg


Holes in Digi/Scoobs prep (no offense is intended towards Digi or Scoob)


For Digi/Scoobs opening strategy to work, the soul link would have to actually give the participants knowledge of all other's memories, powers, experience, skills, etc. It’s a must for them. Without all of that info most of their prep can’t be accomplished. Warlock HAS to get every bit of knowledge Surfer has about his powers in order to perform most of his contributions to their prep time(giving Space Phantom full knowledge of Surfer’s powers so that he can transfer them, creating boards for his team mates, instructing Thor on how to use Firelord’s powers effectively(and that’s even working under the assumption that Firelord=Surfer in power), creation of the Anti Metal, and whatever else it was they had him do). Without the soul link working as Digi described, they won’t have ANY of that stuff for the match, because no one will have access to the knowledge necessary to accomplish feats with that level of complexity. There’s just not enough time to learn those things by trial and error over the course of 20 minutes.

But the problem is, there’s still no proof that the sould linke works at that level of effectiveness. The closest thing to proof that’s been provided are the statements "I didn't realize the things you've seen…” and "Now you know all that is Adam Warlock.", "And you Norrin Radd.” which are both more than a little vague. Let me take everyone through what it would mean if the soul link was as powerful as it is currently being portrayed to be by our worthy opponents…

Unless I’m mistaken , the order in which Warlock soul linked with people during the IG was Dr.Strange, then Thor(Eric Masterson), then Surfer. So if Warlock got ALL of Strange’s knowledge, knowledge of Strange’s abilities, and skills then that means that Warlock would then be able to use any of those things with the same level of skill as Strange. However, since Warlock then went on to soul link with Eric and Surfer, it would also mean that THEY received those same abilities/skills, so
all 4 of them would be roughly equal in terms of sorcery. But when have any of them actually demonstrated that type of ability?

Was it when Eric wanted Strange’s help with Mephisto(even though he has all the combined magic/knowledge of Warlock and Strange)? And yes, this does in fact take place AFTER the Soul Link(which means that Eric SHOULD have all of that knowledge).
http://img100.imageshack.us/img100/1773/tsev3.jpg
Let’s see…“Right! YOUR mystic ways” and “I’m in serious trouble with the supernatural” certainly give off the impression of being on Strange’s level of skill at sorcery.

Or when Eric finally gets to Hades, let’s take a look at how he reacts...
http://img100.imageshack.us/img100/3578/thor44307fi7.jpg
It looked to me like Eric was more than a little uneasy during his time there, don’t you think?In fact, his statements bout being scared stupid and the fact that he was surprised that the device Strange gave him actually worked seem to give a definite indication that he has NONE of Strange’s experiences.

And during the Infinity War, who was it that Big G wanted to help with the problems he was having tracking down the Magus? Was it Surfer(who should have technically been equal to Strange in sorcery, but would have the added bonus of having the Power Cosmic at his disposal)? Let’s see…
http://img412.imageshack.us/img412/6264/galactustf3.jpg
Nope. I guess that Galactus must consider Strange to be superior to Surfer in that aspect, I wonder why?

Finally, let’s see what happens to these 2 guys with all of Stranges knowledge/spells/blah blah… show up at his house uninvited
http://img228.imageshack.us/img228/7845/silversurferv308703lc1.jpg
http://img406.imageshack.us/img406/694/silversurferv308704nk4.jpg
http://img228.imageshack.us/img228/1672/silversurferv308705vq5.jpg
http://img228.imageshack.us/img228/1617/silversurferv308706rr3.jpg
http://img412.imageshack.us/img412/531/silversurferv308707pb2.jpg
http://img228.imageshack.us/img228/5116/silversurferv308709ze0.jpg
So it seems that even though Warlock might be able to control Surfer’s board mentally because of their Soul Link(which seems like it would be fairly easy to accomplish, since it’s just a matter of willing the thing to go), that doesn’t really indicate that he has anywhere near the total experiences of Surfer(or anyone else for that matter) at his beck and call.

Continued on next post...

Continued...

Warlock being undetectable

1. The closest thing to an explanation as to Warlock being undetected is he was standing outside the realm of Order and Chaos. What does that mean? Does anyone even know what the realm of Order and Chaos is? It’s the universe of magic where Lord Order and Master Chaos reside….
(Big G in the realm of Order and Chaos…)
http://img443.imageshack.us/img443/4410/orderchaosnb9.jpg
So what did Strange and Warlock mean exactly, cause technically just about everyone stands outside the Realm of Order and Chaos, because most characters don’t use magic. Or did they mean he used magic to accomplish it? Or did they mean that he’s unaffected by fate/destiny because his absorbing the Soul of his future self altered his set destiny.? As I stated in an earlier post, I’m not flat out denying Adam has an ability similar to what he’s been attributed to having in this thread, I’m just saying that there’s not enough evidence to prove it conclusively. In fact, here are some examples as to why I consider
this feat questionable…

1. The Magus(during the Infinity War) and the Goddess are both aspects of Warlock’s personality, right? That means they share his status of “Existing Outside of Reality”. Order and Chaos even confirm this.
http://img244.imageshack.us/img244/3383/goddesswarlockre7.jpg
“The foe he faces is as unpredictable as himself, for it is himself”. So if they’re both “Undetectable” by anyone up to(and including) the IG, then why did she have to create Paradise Omega? She already HAD the cosmic cubes, and no one knew anything about her until she started causing trouble, so why didn’t she just set up shop in secret to unlock the Cosmic Egg’s true power. Why did she have to create a planet and gather an army of heroes to protect her?

Also, why would the Magus need the C.C. to keep his existence a secret?
http://img244.imageshack.us/img244/3554/cchx8.jpg
Like the Goddess, he should possess Warlock’s (supposed) ability to remain undetected by anyone up to and including a wielder of the IG without the cubes, because the IG is WAY more powerful than the cubes normally are. But what does Magus say in the first panel? “A massive amount of the cosmic containment units’ power was channeled to insure my anonymity”.

2. And as for someone with Mar-Vell like awareness being able to detect someone like Warlock…
http://img185.imageshack.us/img185/1533/captainmarveliii19p10jc9.jpg
http://img256.imageshack.us/img256/8946/captainmarveliii19p11ov1.jpg
As soon as Genis actively used his awareness to see what was up he saw through the effect(and since Magus shares in Warlocks universal status, that means that Genis would have no trouble with him either. Mar-Vell’s awareness was used to scan for our opponents as soon as our prep time was over(so it would have detected Warlock and the rest right off).

This is actually Mar-Vell and Warlock right after Warlock’s big fight with the Magus. Notice that he still sensed things from Warlock AFTER Warlock severed his ties with fate/destiny via soul absorption on his future self.
http://img507.imageshack.us/img507/4430/avengersannual0734ds5.jpg
He saw, heard, and FELT what happened, and he didn’t even put any actual effort into doing so(this made evident by the fact that his face didn’t go all cosmic looking during the occurrence).


3. Another instance of his being completely outside of the universe(and thus immune to detection) is called into question…
(Has future told with pretty much perfect accuracy, right after he supposedly gained immunity to Fate/Destiny)-
http://img363.imageshack.us/img363/415/warlock1511in5.jpg
http://img50.imageshack.us/img50/7429/warlock1512kt6.jpg
http://img363.imageshack.us/img363/1954/warlock1513wu7.jpg

Now, when you look at all the different factors that have to line up perfectly in order for our opponents strategy to work in relation to the amount of evidence that has been provided to support those claims, you’ll most likely come to the same conclusion that I have about it: that their strategy is simply to much of a stretch to be considered reasonable.

But now just for fun, let’s pretend some of the stuff that is still unproven worked for some crazy reason. Now I’m in no way conceding that the other team is capable of most of the stuff they attempted during their prep, this is pretty much a “What If” scenerio, in the event that some of the judges might actually accept what little evidence they have managed to provide.

So what would happen then? Well let’s see…

EX AM vs. Adam Warlock=bigbrans fight to address so I’ll leave it for him to address when he’s on later(even tough at this point ALL of our characters are EX AM).

Super Adaptoid(improved Despero) vs. Space Phantom(Sentry)
The Anti Metal while theoretically dangerous to SA because he is a robot, poses very little threat in SA current form. Why you ask? Well because the Nega Bands in possession of SA should be more than capable of blocking any vibrational waves that would be emitted by the Anti Metal. Don’t think the Nega Bands are capable of such a feat?
http://img124.imageshack.us/img124/5753/37deathofcapmarvelgnet7.jpg
The Nega Bands where blocking all attempts to work on Mar-Vell’s body. It specifically listed both radiation and spells as prior attempts, and considering the gathered brain power present I’d say that it’s reasonable to assume that the anti metal waves will be blocked also. (Think about it, the Nega Bands actually managed to thwart both Dr. Strange AND Reed Richards when both of them had prep. Now THAT’S power.)

And even if for some reason the power of the Nega Bands proved to be insufficient as a defense, we still have plenty of other options. You see, Despero had EX AM’s abilities when Super Adaptoid created a template for him this round, so all that would be necessary to defend against it would be a transformation on his part to ensure that the Anti Metal wouldn’t be a threat to him anymore. And he shouldn’t really need to take any extra defensive measures in the first place(unless he feels particularly quirky), considering the fact that SA has shown the ability to function even in a liquified state…
http://img402.imageshack.us/img402/6450/liqufiedrc7.jpg



And while Scoobs tried to make it seem as if Super Adaptoid was short in his fighting ability, that’s in no way accurate in this match. You have to remember, that Super Adaptoid is currently able to use the fighting skills of Mar-Vell which will prove to be very valuable in this particular situation. Mar-Vell as a class 15 was able to stand up to 100+ characters, so imagine the combat effectiveness of someone with the combined strength of Despero and the Nega Bands and the combat skills of Mar-Vell…
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http://img249.imageshack.us/img249/8259/cm2bh6.jpg
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The best Sentry can really hope for here is a stalemate, just for the simple reason that he lacks what it takes to put down this particular version of Super Adaptoid. Their speed is equal(light speed), but Super Adaptoid has Mar-Vell’s skills at his disposal which means that Sentry won’t be landing much in the way of hits. Strength/Durability is debatable, depending of how much hyperbole your willing to buy into for Sentry. And when you take into consideration the fact that Super Adaptoid got the jump on Sentry by teleporting in behind him and attacking him from behind, it’s VERY likely to be able to take Sentry out. Sentry’s only real chance on the other hand, would be SA doing something dumb like trying to absorb all of Sentry’s power(which he’s not going to do). (Besides Super Adaptoid could change into Iron Man if he really wanted to take Sentry out )

Despero vs. Thor
Well I’ve already shown that THIS particular Despero has nothing to worry about when it comes to fire, so the damage you where counting on his powers to cause is pretty much moot. And while Thor may be able to handle the 616 Absorbing Man with a high success rate, he’s now facing Despero(the guy who kicks ass on the JLA solo) with an even more powerful version of AM than he is used to fighting, and who has the skill of Mar-Vell and the added power from the Nega Bands pretty much seals the deal in his favor. Since it turns out that you guys never had Stardust available during prep, it means that you won’t have access to that 100x blast that you had counted on. And since Thor(like the rest of his team) where attacked from behind via teleportation right off the bat, and Thor is at a significant strength disadvantage(don’t get me wrong, I love Thor, but Despero is powerful enough to manhandle the JLA without all of the upgrades we’ve given him for this match), it should be fairly easy to overpower Thor long enough to lay get a hold of that precious hammer of his(at which point, Despero would release any excess energy that would cause him to overload). With the added power/diversity of Mjolnir added to hjis arsenal, I see him taking down Thor with pitiful ease, and then moving on to aid Super Adaptoid.

(bigbran should actually be doing fine against Warlock, despite what seems to be a significant disadvantage at first glance, but I’ll let him cover that when he gets here later.)

Sorry again about the delay, today has been a little wild at my house, and I couldn't manage to steal enough time for myself to finish all of this until now.

Digi Post #6

Characters: Warlock and Thor

Originally posted by darthgoober
1. I don’t know where we got our wires crossed, but there seems to be a misunderstanding about Super Adaptoid’s abilities. He’s not limited to using one POWER at a time, it’s using the powers from more than one of his character templates at a time(and even then it‘s not certain that he‘ll short out).

We never argued that he couldn't "hold" more than 1 at a time. It's the use of them. And if you're only using one power a at a time, Adaptoid's screwed. Hell, we wouldn't even need our power sharing....even though we have it ( ).

So yeah, you'll need lots of simultaneous powers to hang with us. And he can't.

Oh, and he's still doing stuff with metal (and is he made of metal parts?). Either way, anti-metal boards = a quick death for Adaptoid.

Originally posted by darthgoober
Super Adaptoid assumes the form of more than one individual(4 in fact)
,but doesn’t short out because he’s not actively using all of their powers at once.
http://img187.imageshack.us/img187/8991/multipletemplatesls3.jpg

My point exactly. He's only using 1....it doesn't matter how many he can hold if you can't use them in conjunction with one another.

Originally posted by darthgoober
And it seems that Loki, having created the potion that gave EX AM his powers in the first place and having years to reflect on what he’d done, is about the most creditable source for detailed info on EX AM’s true abilities. So once again, here’s Loki giving EX AM an explanation of his true powers…
http://img220.imageshack.us/img220/6994/universexx30up0.th.jpg

Once again, all you have is Loki's explanation. All of Asgard didn't understand when Loki tried to tell them the same thing. So why would Creel?

Also, there's never a fight where Creel displays this supposed power. You have no proof that he'll have any idea what he's doing.

...

And yeah, EXAM is bran's character but it's fine. That was more clarification stuff (or lack thereof ). I've talked about SP once or twice too to clear stuff up.

Originally posted by darthgoober
3. Despero may have had a weakness to fire at one point (and acquired it back since), but that’s irrelevant...

...because? We've shown his weakness, and we have Firelord's power exploting that weakness.

Originally posted by darthgoober
Despero at the Flame of Py'tar...

The Flame of Pytar is what gave him his power. That's like saying a GL isn't vulnerable to energy blasts because he can chill in the OA central battery. It's a false comparison, because it's not the regular flame-damage we're talking about.


Originally posted by darthgoober
As far as the proposed tactic of transmutation of our team(since they're all “Absorbing Men” now), I don’t see how that's really viable here. Direct matter transmutation on the opposing team is a banned manuver for the battle, and it would be a waste of time.

Two things:
1. Anti-metal will deal with EXAM (or Sentry, but that's Scoob's territory).
2. And no, it's not banned, given the nature of AM's powers it's completely acceptable. Matter transmutation is his power...it's simply all internally based. Just think of it as us turning his power against him. Besides, I already ran it by BD...it's not viable for anyone else, but it is for EXAM because of this reason.


Originally posted by darthgoober
Holes in Digi/Scoobs prep (no offense is intended towards Digi or Scoob)

No offense taken.

But are we really doing this again? What I don't get to here, I'm sure I answered on page 1...judges, please refer to that as well.


Originally posted by darthgoober
For Digi/Scoobs opening strategy to work, the soul link would have to actually give the participants knowledge of all other's memories, powers, experience, skills, etc.

Fortunately for us, it does.

Look, Warlock has explained it as completely opening up yourself to the other person...it leaves no room for doubt. Goober is grasping at straws because their plan isn't good enough to beat us otherwise. That's it.

Examples:
- Surfer has said that Warlock knows "All" there is to know about him.
- I've recounted instances where Warlock knows about Strange's powers (in the IG arc) without any prior knowledge of them (like the ability to teleport them and the ability to block the affects of the IG temporarily).
- He has displayed the ability to control Surfer's board, and said that it was because of their soul-link.

...

Goober ran off a laundry list of questionable instances where he thinks something should have come up about the soul link. Most of those are invalid for a few reasons:
- Most of the stuff Strange does, he needs his various artifacts and talismans to accomplish. Saying that Warlock, or anyone else, should = Strange is simply false.
- He's also asking every writer throughout many years to think of all of this stuff. Just because a character doesn't say, "Ah, because of this soul link 7 years ago that Starlin wrote, we can have Masterson do this, and then meld with Surfer for....blah blah, etc." Half the time, we as readers think of better ways to use the characters than the writers.

How often has Thor just been written as a brawler, when he obviously has other powers? Goober's asking you to believe that every tiem Thor makes an appearence a writer will consider his vast time/matter manip skills, along with everything else he's ever done.

It doesn't work like that.

I showed proof in the scans. Then I provided further examples. It's all legit.

Now on to another matter...

Invisibility/Undetectible:
- Goober cites Magus and Goddess, but even though they were a part of Warlock, they're seperate entities....it's using someone else's showings to debate against another. It doesn't make sense.
- I would think that the use of multiple cosmic cubes could be detected...The Goddess wasn't simply standing, as Warlock was...she was manipulating vast amounts of energy. Saying she should have been able to simply make herself invisible while doing this is also completely false.
- Most of the incidents he shows have some flaw with them...those reasons cover most of them, so I won't go through each scan individually.

...

Examples:
-Warlock was undetectable to a wielder of the IG, who proceeded to beat abstract entities a few pages later.
- Order and Chaos could not perceive Warlock's future. And all cosmic awareness is, is a heightened sense of pre-cog. Warlock is beyond Marvel's conventional reality. Cosmic Awareness won't mean jack next to him.

Once again, I showed the scans, and provided examples. All they have is speculation and vague showings that are, at best, loosely related to my point.

....

We still have much more power from our power mesh. Unless you believe their random stabs at discrediting us, which we've shot down one by one, I can't see any reason why we lose this fight.

Post #5 - Space Phantom/Thor

Originally posted by darthgoober
Super Adaptoid(improved Despero) vs. Space Phantom(Sentry)
The Anti Metal while theoretically dangerous to SA because he is a robot

Adaptoid never once showed any level of competence with the Nega bands .... in fact he only copied them for 2 or 3 panels before he was pwned and he's never used them since.

Regardless of his form/powers, he is still a robot .... The Nega bands do not stop every form of energy from getting through to the wearer or else every wearer of them would be blind, deaf and frozen.

They only stop radiation that is harmful to humanoids - as anti-metal is completely harmless to humans, Kree and everyone in-between, there's no reason for them to block what is essentially just a series of vibrations.

Originally posted by darthgoober
And while Scoobs tried to make it seem as if Super Adaptoid was short in his fighting ability, that’s in no way accurate in this match.

Of course it is, SA is always less skillful than the people he copies and that is a fact.

Originally posted by darthgoober
The best Sentry can really hope for here is a stalemate, just for the simple reason that he lacks what it takes to put down this particular version of Super Adaptoid. Their speed is equal(light speed), but Super Adaptoid has Mar-Vell’s skills at his disposal

So does he have Despero's powers or Mar-Vell's? because you can only be using one of them at a time and you can't use Mar-Vell's abilities/skills while using another persons powers.

Originally posted by darthgoober
Strength/Durability is debatable, depending of how much hyperbole your willing to buy into for Sentry.

1. http://img504.imageshack.us/my.php?image=ts010150oe.jpg
2. http://img504.imageshack.us/my.php?image=ts010169mw.jpg
3. http://img504.imageshack.us/my.php?image=ts010170vk.jpg

It's not hyperbole when you can take down a herald without any effort.

Originally posted by darthgoober
Despero vs. Thor
Well I’ve already shown that THIS particular Despero has nothing to worry about when it comes to fire

No, as Digi stated, you showed that, bizarrely enough, the source of his powers doesn't kill him.



Originally posted by darthgoober
while Thor may be able to handle the 616 Absorbing Man with a high success rate, he’s now facing Despero

Thor has the full power of a herald stacked on top of his own ... A herald who can generate more power than any star, who can destroy worlds with a single blast and who can use the cosmos to boost his already incredible strength/durability to unknown levels.

As for energy projection, Despero can't even blast through simple GL bubbles:

http://img166.imageshack.us/img166/1415/forcebubblels7.th.jpg

Or even Booster Gold's force field:

http://img518.imageshack.us/img518/8473/sforcefieldij8.th.jpg

Booster Gold ... not exactly a guy anyone would accuse of being on the same level as even the lowliest of Heralds.

Despero IS weak against heat based attacks ... even someone as weak as Fire can hurt him .... Firelord (or someone with his powers) would incinerate him:

http://img511.imageshack.us/img511/8211/firelordheathe7.th.jpg + http://img469.imageshack.us/img469/8898/fire2lv2.th.jpg = Despero's viking funeral.

Originally posted by darthgoober
Since it turns out that you guys never had Stardust available during prep, it means that you won’t have access to that 100x blast that you had counted on.

Digi already explained why Warlock would know about Stardust ... but even if he didn't, we could use any character's power to load up Mjolnir .. it's not like they'd stand around for 20 minutes struggling to think of a single powerful energy user.

__________________


As we're nearing the end I might as well throw out these other little "feats" of Despero's.

The guy can't even outfight Aquaman:

http://img526.imageshack.us/img526/8121/missesaquamanhn0.th.jpg

He cannot expect to go up against a massively powered up Norse God/warrior who has thousands of years of battle experience when he can't connect with fish-boy

And tear gas brings him to his knees:

http://img526.imageshack.us/img526/7218/teargasuy6.th.jpg

Seems like when the air around him is suddenly heated a few million degrees it would have a far greater effect on the big pink moron.

Post #6 - Space Phantom/Thor (Final Post)

Well, Digi and I have backed up every aspect of our prep/battle plan with some pretty decent scannage.

Bran/Goober's prep had half their team becoming metallic while our guys armed themselves with metal dissolving weapons.

We enhanced our strengths, patched over our flaws and exploited our enemies weaknesses.

Nothing left to say except good luck to everyone involved and to say thanks to the judges as I'm sure they have carefully read through every single post made here.



Originally posted by Scoobless
Post #3 - Space Phantom/Thor

Our guys punch your guys hard .... wicked hard! ... IN THE FACE!!!

http://img459.imageshack.us/my.php?image=punch2qt1.jpg

your guys start crying and run home to tell their mommas.

http://img400.imageshack.us/my.php?image=crybabyss1.jpg




Had to be reposted.

Digi Post #7

http://img267.imageshack.us/img267/9453/warlockbadag2.th.jpg

....

By my watch, the match ends in a few minutes.

So.

Nice match guys, regardless of how it turns out.

Originally posted by DigiMark007
Digi Post #6

Characters: Warlock and Thor



We never argued that he couldn't "hold" more than 1 at a time. It's the use of them. And if you're only using one power a at a time, Adaptoid's screwed. Hell, we wouldn't even need our power sharing....even though we have it ( ).

So yeah, you'll need lots of simultaneous powers to hang with us. And he can't.

Oh, and he's still doing stuff with metal (and is he made of metal parts?). Either way, anti-metal boards = a quick death for Adaptoid.



My point exactly. He's only using 1....it doesn't matter how many he can hold if you can't use them in conjunction with one another.Digi I'm sorry but I think you have things mixed up about the Super Adaptoid's powers. He's limited by his number of characters not his number of powers.

Here he is using Spiderman's agility, jumping, AND webs simaltaniously.
http://img79.imageshack.us/img79/791/twopowersuq2.jpg

Here he is using simaltanious flight AND energy blast(from Ironman I'm assuming).
http://img148.imageshack.us/img148/2752/2powersxk1.jpg

Originally posted by DigiMark007
Once again, all you have is Loki's explanation. All of Asgard didn't understand when Loki tried to tell them the same thing. So why would Creel?

Also, there's never a fight where Creel displays this supposed power. You have no proof that he'll have any idea what he's doing.]
Yes there was, he assumed the properties of a math equation that was able to negate the powers of the Scarlet Witch. How do you figure he was able to actually touch a math equation in order to take on it's properties?
http://img524.imageshack.us/img524/6308/sprobabilitykb1.jpg



Originally posted by DigiMark007
...because? We've shown his weakness, and we have Firelord's power exploting that weakness..
Despero didn't have that weakness when he recreated the Flame on Earth. And I think your forgetting that this particular Despero's power is also in possession of his own set of Nega Bands.
http://img124.imageshack.us/img124/...marvelgnet7.jpg



Originally posted by DigiMark007
Two things:
1. Anti-metal will deal with EXAM (or Sentry, but that's Scoob's territory).
2. And no, it's not banned, given the nature of AM's powers it's completely acceptable. Matter transmutation is his power...it's simply all internally based. Just think of it as us turning his power against him. Besides, I already ran it by BD...it's not viable for anyone else, but it is for EXAM because of this
Oh ok(though I do feel that I should have been told if there was going to be a rule change for my character).
Anyway, so what examples do you have of of one of your characters using someone's power against them like that, since thats what it is? Regualar transmutation shouldn't work, because he retains his consciousness no matter what his form, and he would be able to turn back at will.



Originally posted by DigiMark007
No offense taken.

But are we really doing this again? What I don't get to here, I'm sure I answered on page 1...judges, please refer to that as well.
Tell you what, since we've both made our arguments clear regarding our stances on the soul link, Warlock's being"Undetectable and so forth, I'll just leave it to the judges to determine who's assessment seems more accurate(I'm running out of time anyway).


Originally posted by DigiMark007
Invisibility/Undetectible:
- Goober cites Magus and Goddess, but even though they were a part of Warlock, they're seperate entities....it's using someone else's showings to debate against another. It doesn't make sense.
But the fact is that Order and Chaos confirm that they both share that status with him.
http://img244.imageshack.us/img244/3383/goddesswarlockre7.jpg





Originally posted by DigiMark007
Once again, I showed the scans, and provided examples. All they have is speculation and vague showings that are, at best, loosely related to my point.
Well this is something that we'll have to let the judges decide, because I feel that Cosmic Awareness working against the Magus, Mar-Vell being able to actually sense Warlock with his own cosmic awareness, etc. all fall under the heading of valuable evidence.

Originally posted by Scoobless
Post #5 - Space Phantom/Thor



Adaptoid never once showed any level of competence with the Nega bands .... in fact he only copied them for 2 or 3 panels before he was pwned and he's never used them since.
It pretty been established that Adaptoid gets the full range of abilities of the duplicated person. He picks up powers, attributes, skills, etc.


Originally posted by Scoobless
Post #5 - Space Phantom/Thor




Regardless of his form/powers, he is still a robot .... The Nega bands do not stop every form of energy from getting through to the wearer or else every wearer of them would be blind, deaf and frozen.
The Nega Bands stopped everything that Reed and Strange tried, maybe they just smart enough to let sunlight in.


In regards to the rest...

Despero has been amped up to an unbelievable level(and has an abundance of energy manipulation/absorbtion powers), and is not going to go down to Thor(who if you want to talk about low showings, has a hard time with Mongoose, and knocked out by a bullet).

Super Adaptoid will be copying the powers of the ENHACED Despero. That means that he'll also begetting the powers of the Nega Bands, EX AM, etc. But since it's still only a singe powerful form, he won't short circut.

Again, him copying an evolved cosmic cube...
http://img216.imageshack.us/img216/6651/cubewz4.jpg

Warlock has retained almost none of the knowldge he possessed when he had the IG, and assuming that he'll remember Stardust is absurd.

And I have a question regarding Sentry/Thor. Wasn't Thor under the effects of some kind of mental effect that blocked Sentry from his memory when he was last seen at a level that was below Skyfather(I thought I had heard that somewhere, but I may be mistaken)? Cause if so, that means that Sentry wouldn't even be present and Super Adaptoid would just be fighting Space Phantom which=death to Phantom.

And ANY of our characters can assume any nuber of forms to deal with the Anti Metal.

Thanks everyone for a good match.

Well, in lieu of BD, I'm going to say "match over". Anything after this that pertains to the battle, I'll edit out...because I have a few minutes after midnight right now.

Good match boys. And good luck to the judges...it was slower-paced than our match last week, so at least there isn't as much to read through.

Did you deliberately wait until the last second to post that so that we wouldn't be able to respond in time? ... seems pretty cheap.

Originally posted by Scoobless
Did you deliberately wait until the last second to post that so that we wouldn't be able to respond in time? ... seems pretty cheap.



...meh. It's a viable tactic, given the rules of the battle. I don't remember anyone doing it in a match, but they've done it with last-second draft pick changes and such. Just browsing over it, it doesn't look like there's much we didn't respond to at some point anyway....so regardless of who gets the last post, I think the judges will be able to see our thoughts on everything.

Originally posted by Scoobless
Did you deliberately wait until the last second to post that so that we wouldn't be able to respond in time? ... seems pretty cheap.


Dude I honestly didn't. I'm alone with my son and I was trying to put him to bed until about a half an hour ago. I was having to type my ass off just to finish responding in time. Sorry if it seems like I was trying to pull a cheap trick or something like that, but I honestly wasn't.(And if someone would like to clarify the question of the Thor/Sentry connection I certainly wouldn't mind. I honestly don't remember if that's was exactly what I heard, and I don't want any judges that may be unfamiliar with Sentry to vote against you guys just for that one piece of information.

You have a son? ...

Does he have any idea who the Absorbing Man is?

Originally posted by Scoobless
You have a son? ...

Does he have any idea who the Absorbing Man is?


I don't think so(he's three).

Never too young to get him hooked on comics.

Originally posted by Scoobless
Never too young to get him hooked on comics.


Hey if you want to let him take a look at YOUR comics thats fine with me. But that boy spends to much time with his hands covered in candy residue for me to want to risk it.

Its gona take a while for me to compute.
One thing though, I belive Digi was correct in assumeing that Adam Warlock could successfully step outside of reality

one thing ide like to bring up



This would make sense except for the fact that she was using the powers of the C.C

to make an analigy (which im horrible at)

if we lived in a more mythical society

it would be akin to someone being completely invisible, but holdeing a weapon (which would share no properties of invisibility with them, or at the minimum, the effect of fireing the gun would not share invisibility)

clearly, you are going to see a gun floating in mid air that someone is anonymously fireing

if that makes any sense.

Alone, she should have been able to do without paradise, but she was useing the cube, and thats quite a noisy instrument

Thanks for the input Extra, and I'd agree, though I'd ask future comments to be kept to a minimum....only because I want to be fair to bran/goober.



(unless you're a judge. You're not though, right?)

Originally posted by DigiMark007
Thanks for the input Extra, and I'd agree, though I'd ask future comments to be kept to a minimum....only because I want to be fair to bran/goober.



Oh okay, bat told me to post my conclusion jhere? im still not completely sure where he wanted me to cast my vote since the poll is closed? but im ready to vote, anyways, ill clear it up with him. BTW its over right?

Originally posted by ExtraMision5555
Oh okay, bat told me to post my conclusion jhere? im still not completely sure where he wanted me to cast my vote since the poll is closed? but im ready to vote, anyways, ill clear it up with him. BTW its over right?

Yeah. And so are you a judge? Because ignore what I said if you are one...judges are free to post their comments/analyses/etc.

Originally posted by DigiMark007
Yeah. And so are you a judge? Because ignore what I said if you are one...judges are free to post their comments/analyses/etc.

Oh okay, yes, i am a judge
so its cool then? okay

ill post my opinion on the outcome when i formulate it
alot of info to digest

allright
im going to have to go with digi and scoob

thier overall offense was a bit more explained in response to the other teams defense, which i dont feel was explaiend enough. alot of questionmarks were still in my mind.
(sorry for the short post, severe multitasking)

Cool, and also LF pmed me her vote, and she decided to go with Digi and Scoobs as well.

PM? Ok, cool. I'd love to hear her general thoughts about the fight as well...but either way's fine.

...

So:

Poll - Bran/Goober
ExtraMission - Digi/Scoob
Lethal - Scoob/Digi

Originally posted by DigiMark007
PM? Ok, cool. I'd love to hear her general thoughts about the fight as well...but either way's fine.

...

So:

Poll - Bran/Goober
ExtraMission - Digi/Scoob
Lethal - Scoob/Digi

Oh I just explained that I wasn't fully convinced of some of the others teams plans and with you guys collaboration of adding you characters together it kinda just blew the others out of the water.tongue12

I'm going to read over everything again and then give a vote. Sorry for the delay.

No worries X. We're in no hurry.

Okay. I read over the posts again (a while ago but I had stuff to do) and have deliberated.

First off, I'll say that I think both teams were very creative and persuasive in their initial write-ups. I liked bran/goober's plan - it made good use of the characters at their disposal in imaginative ways. However it seemed like Scoobs/Digi had basically prepared a stratagem tailor-made for countering anything in bran/goober's plans. Incredible foresight or dumb luck? Either way the manner in which their opening strategy shattered bran/goober's put their team in an unenviable position of being on the defensive from the get-go.

However it did seem the defense was largely based around trying to discredit the abilities. I would have liked to see them at least try and counter based on what was put forward, but it's understandable considering the opening posts. I feel that Digi/Scoobs did defend the reasoning behind their strategy well. And as both teams did rely on a degree of supposition, I allowed a bit of leeway on either side.

So overall I have to say I think Digi/Scoobs came out on top in this match and have to give my vote to them.

N.B. the fact that darthgoober had to do most all of the debate himself also probably didn't help - and I'd commend him on debating very well alone against two as versed as Scoobs and Digi.

Originally posted by xmarksthespot
N.B. the fact that darthgoober had to do most all of the debate himself also probably didn't help - and I'd commend him on debating very well alone against two as versed as Scoobs and Digi.

Yeah I noticed that too.

Originally posted by xmarksthespot
Okay. I read over the posts again (a while ago but I had stuff to do) and have deliberated.

First off, I'll say that I think both teams were very creative and persuasive in their initial write-ups. I liked bran/goober's plan - it made good use of the characters at their disposal in imaginative ways. However it seemed like Scoobs/Digi had basically prepared a stratagem tailor-made for countering anything in bran/goober's plans. Incredible foresight or dumb luck? Either way the manner in which their opening strategy shattered bran/goober's put their team in an unenviable position of being on the defensive from the get-go.

However it did seem the defense was largely based around trying to discredit the abilities. I would have liked to see them at least try and counter based on what was put forward, but it's understandable considering the opening posts. I feel that Digi/Scoobs did defend the reasoning behind their strategy well. And as both teams did rely on a degree of supposition, I allowed a bit of leeway on either side.

So overall I have to say I think Digi/Scoobs came out on top in this match and have to give my vote to them.

N.B. the fact that darthgoober had to do most all of the debate himself also probably didn't help - and I'd commend him on debating very well alone against two as versed as Scoobs and Digi.

You shuold be my speaker or something
Lol

This is essentially what i was thinking, and ide say the ultimate decideing factor of this thread was:


I did the same, and with that said, Digi and scoob defended thier strategy very soundly, and perhaps protheticly it was indeed almost tailored for thier offense.

Thats basicly a better version than my vauge post above. And why i voted how i did.

Thankyou xmarks

Thanks to all the judges. It's appreciated greatly guys....not just voting for us, but reading through everything and taking the time to make a reasoned opinion.

And good match to bran/goober. In my mind, you could have easily won this tourney. We prepped for you guys for an uber-long time, simply because your team is one of the hardest to plan for, and also among the most powerful.

Kudos on a good tourney showing.

Bigbran made 1 post...

Originally posted by xmarksthespot
N.B. the fact that darthgoober had to do most all of the debate himself also probably didn't help - and I'd commend him on debating very well alone against two as versed as Scoobs and Digi. Ya, I know. Darth did well though...

I have had some problems, or I would have posted my retort.
I was actually going to take about a month or so off... but I came to congradualate Digi/Scoobs.

Also, sorry Darth about not posting more than once (wow???). I know you wanted to win, and I let you down.
I'll try to do better in my next tourney.
Well... I did shitty on this one (let myself down as well)...

Anyway, good luck in the final Digi and Scoobs. Hope you win this b*tch.

I hope everything's okay Bran.

Yeah, no hard feelings to bran. Hope everything turns out well.

...but yeah, goober did a great job, and my conversations with him in PMs only made me more impressed.

Good Job Goober and Bran ...you were the third best team in the tourney...

Originally posted by Martian_mind
Good Job Goober...you were the third best team in the tourney...

lol. What happened to you guys being #2?

we are number two...thats why i said they were the third best.....

Originally posted by Badabing
I hope everything's okay Bran. Originally posted by DigiMark007
Yeah, no hard feelings to bran. Hope everything turns out well.

...but yeah, goober did a great job, and my conversations with him in PMs only made me more impressed. I'm a big boy... I'll be OK... just won't be on as much.
Love/family/personal... stuff like that.

Anyway, I personally think Darth is the best debator in this thing (no offense, or anything). He is certainly impressive, and he came up with the prep and battle plans. Who do you think picked our characters? I knew really nothing about AM/UX (just have the comics) to be honest... and I still have no god damn clue who SA is.
I would have went for Surfer...

Anyway, sorry to Darth, and good job to Digi/Scoobs again.

Originally posted by Martian_mind
we are number two...thats why i said they were the third best.....

As long as Scoob and I are #1.



Originally posted by bigbran
Anyway, I personally think Darth is the best debator in this thing (no offense, or anything). He is certainly impressive, and he came up with the prep and battle plans. Who do you think picked our characters? I knew really nothing about AM/UX (just have the comics) to be honest... and I still have no god damn clue who SA is.
I would have went for Surfer...

Anyway, sorry to Darth, and good job to Digi/Scoobs again.

No offense taken. I won't openly refute the debating thing, because it probably depends on the circumstance. History is probably on Scoob's side, if anyone, just because of his past tourney wins. I like to think I'm just along for the ride. But I'd agree DG showed himself to be among the best so far.

First off let me say congratulation's to Digi and Scoobs. You guys are doing a Hell of a job, despite having a team that was initially considered to be one of least powerful in the tourney. That alone proves each of your skill as debaters. So thanks for the chance to test my mettle against you, and I'm hoping to go up against each of you again sometime in the future.

And bigbran don't sweat it. A bunch of crap was going on over here at my house to keep me away for most of the week(which is why I couldn't post much until the last day), so it's not like I can fault you for having to take care of it. And don't sell yourself short on what you contributed to our team either. I may have been the idea man for a lot of our stuff, but your input was invaluable in figuring out the details and deciding between two possible courses of action. So I'm still glad to have called you my partner and look forward to doing so again sometime.

Can you feel the love people?

Originally posted by Scoobless
Can you feel the love people?

Feel it? Why you can almost taste it in the air.

Or so I'm told.

dodgy

Good luck to you guys in the finals. Remember, unmarked non-sequential small bills.

Originally posted by xmarksthespot
Feel it? Why you can almost taste it in the air.





very funny

and batdude, if you need me to judge in the future
time willing (and it usually is) i will happily make time to

Originally posted by ExtraMision5555


very funny

and batdude, if you need me to judge in the future
time willing (and it usually is) i will happily make time to
What? You want to be The Judge?

Originally posted by Badabing
What? You want to be The Judge?

















rofl

The Judge

the ultimate kmc member

Originally posted by ExtraMision5555
rofl

The Judge

the ultimate kmc member

Stop. The judge does not understand sarcasm. Hilarity will ensue if you continue.

Originally posted by "V"
Stop. The judge does not understand sarcasm. Hilarity will ensue if you continue.



That's my cue to unpin this. Nice match guys.

Originally posted by "V"
Stop. The judge does not understand sarcasm. Hilarity will ensue if you continue.

who said iw as kidding ?

how do you knwo i dont genuinely mean that?

Originally posted by Scoobless
Adaptoid never once showed any level of competence with the Nega bands .... in fact he only copied them for 2 or 3 panels before he was pwned and he's never used them since.

I don't really know why I felt the need to address this now, but I just thought I'd point something out...
http://img406.imageshack.us/img406/7023/m2n107531cq5.th.jpg

hehehehehe .....

Originally posted by Scoobless
hehehehehe .....

bastard . . .

Hey, the same freaking thing happened to us, with finding out about Space Phantom becoming Herc.

So I feel your pain and sympathize goober....but not too much.

Can we please let this topic die?
durfist

Originally posted by Badabing
Can we please let this topic die?
durfist Maybe you shouldn't have bumped it 21 minutes later... ermmnone

Originally posted by SpunkySmurph
Maybe you shouldn't have bumped it 21 minutes later... ermmnone Keep your flapping head out of this! durfist

Originally posted by Badabing
Can we please let this topic die?
durfist

Never!

Not a bump .... honest ..... whistling

Originally posted by Badabing
Keep your flapping head out of this! durfist Not after that insult.

Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
Never! Originally posted by Scoobless
Not a bump .... honest ..... whistling
I hate you guys.
Originally posted by SpunkySmurph
Not after that insult. Sorry.