Odin >>>>>>>>> Surfer ... but by how much?

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Scoobless
Ok ... We all know the Surfer is unimaginably powerful by human standards ... but even he is less that an annoyance to Odin.

So, if you were to multiply Surfer's power by 10 would it even things up? how about 20? .... 100?

How much more powerful than Surfer is Odin?

During Blood & Thunder Odin barely noticed a viscious attack from the Surfer and pwned him with a casual gesture ... no expression

Any scans of Odin's feats are welcome for a comparison.

Beta Ray Howard
Well, how much less powerful is a fly to a human?

HigH ScholaR
maybe the gesture was more of mystical in force

Scoobless
Originally posted by HigH ScholaR
maybe the gesture was more of mystical in force

But he still didn't budge against a full on blast of power cosmic.

erm

HigH ScholaR
well i rty not to power guage mystcal and cosmic huys as thier powers are erratic at best espiically if aginst the two.

besides odin coul dhave had this mystical spell covering him or something that thyue did not wish to reveal. it just poses to many questins

Priest
Odin>Surfer by alottttttttttttttttttttttt!
Why?
Surfer can destroy Planets
Odin can Destroy Galaxies.
Huge diffrence in power

Evil_Ash
Originally posted by Priest
Odin>Surfer by alottttttttttttttttttttttt!
Why?
Surfer can destroy Planets
Odin can Destroy Galaxies.
Huge diffrence in power

Nay! I say thee nay!

Ethereal
The thing is Odin is powerful in his element. Not only that, his power is mystical based. Surfer's is the power cosmic. I'd say that everything being even though on the playing field. Odin has too many powers that puts him out of Surfers league. Cant compare that way, but just on brute force alone? I would say Odin is atleast 50x more powerful.

Soleran
Odin by 2%

Endless Mike
If we want to do this scientifically, we could say that, at most, Surfer could destroy a solar system, while Odin could destroy a galaxy (this is simplified, likely they could both destroy more, but the ratio is pretty much the same).

Anyway, due to the inverse - square law (I did these calculations earlier for something else), it takes about 1e68j of energy to destroy a solar system the size of our own, and 1e82j to destroy a galaxy the size of our own.

That makes Odin equal to approximately 100,000,000,000,000 Surfers

DarkCrawler
At least 100x.

Skeets
Originally posted by Priest
Odin>Surfer by alottttttttttttttttttttttt!
Why?
Surfer can destroy Planets
Odin can Destroy Galaxies.
Huge diffrence in power
You know what's funny,the first time SS met Dr.Doom he created a weapon and said that it was capable of destroying Galaxies with ease....erm

Jyppe
Didn't Galactus technically upgrade Surfer in Annihilation? We have yet to see how much, though their feat was quite kewl in 6/6

Skeets
Originally posted by Jyppe
Didn't Galactus technically upgrade Surfer in Annihilation? We have yet to see how much, though their feat was quite kewl in 6/6
Surfer didn't get an upgrade.All Galactus did was remove some of his mental blocks which held him back.

Jyppe
Originally posted by Skeets
Surfer didn't get an upgrade.All Galactus did was remove some of his mental blocks which held him back.

And how that's not an upgrade? He now could access power which he could before and use it more freely. Sounds like an upgrade to me. Aaaand someone was definately saying that Galactus did give him moar powah. Can't be sure though.

DarkCrawler
I am pretty sure he got an upgrade.

Annihilation #6 was badass..."HERALD MY RAGE!"

Skeets
It's not an upgrade.All Galactus did was turn Surfer back to how he used to be before he interacted with humans.
Surfer didn't get a power boost from what I have seen.Maybe in his upcoming mini we'll learn more.

DarkCrawler
Annihilation constantly referred to the fact that when you weren't a full herald of Galactus you weren't as strong, though, and Surfer wasn't full herald. Now he is.

Scoobless
Originally posted by DarkCrawler
At least 100x.

Hey DC ... didn't you say you had a lot of scans that showed Odin's better feats?

If you've got them stored then let's have a look at them.

smile

Jyppe
Originally posted by DarkCrawler
Annihilation constantly referred to the fact that when you weren't a full herald of Galactus you weren't as strong, though, and Surfer wasn't full herald. Now he is.

Thanks, something exactly like that i remember someone talking.

leonidas
i'd say odin is about 48 or 49x as powerful as ss . . .



whistle

Stupid Rookie
Originally posted by Endless Mike
If we want to do this scientifically, we could say that, at most, Surfer could destroy a solar system, while Odin could destroy a galaxy (this is simplified, likely they could both destroy more, but the ratio is pretty much the same).

Anyway, due to the inverse - square law (I did these calculations earlier for something else), it takes about 1e68j of energy to destroy a solar system the size of our own, and 1e82j to destroy a galaxy the size of our own.

That makes Odin equal to approximately 100,000,000,000,000 Surfers

Negative!

Stupid Rookie
Originally posted by Skeets
Surfer didn't get an upgrade.All Galactus did was remove some of his mental blocks which held him back.

I don't see how your wouldn't consider it an upgrade. Maybe he did remove some of the blocks, but he also gave him more power. Look at what Ravenous says to him about what have you become.

He definitly did something to SS which made him more powerful, not just more willing to use his power.

Which sounds a lot like an upgrade to me.

When people think about this they also need to think about what SS is to Galactus. I mean if SS is 2% of Galactus, what % is Odin?

I tend to think that 100 SS could take down pretty much any sky father.

nimbus006
Originally posted by Stupid Rookie

When people think about this they also need to think about what SS is to Galactus. I mean if SS is 2% of Galactus, what % is Odin?

I tend to think that 100 SS could take down pretty much any sky father.

Thats actually a pretty logical way of looking at it. I would say Odin is about 40-50% of Galactus's power. So if Surfer is roughly 1% of G's power, Odin is likely between 40-50 times more powerful than SS.

juggernaut66666
Originally posted by Skeets
It's not an upgrade.All Galactus did was turn Surfer back to how he used to be before he interacted with humans.
Surfer didn't get a power boost from what I have seen.Maybe in his upcoming mini we'll learn more.
Galactus said something about giving him new powers.

Stupid Rookie
Originally posted by nimbus006
Thats actually a pretty logical way of looking at it. I would say Odin is about 40-50% of Galactus's power. So if Surfer is roughly 1% of G's power, Odin is likely between 40-50 times more powerful than SS.

That is pretty much how I have it, only with SS at 2%, so Odin is roughly 20x more powerful.

Soujaboy
The Odin Force was once shown consuming the universe, Thor#188.

Scoobless
Really?

leonidas
yep, though there is some issue i think regarding whether or not that was infinity's power.

of course, i could be recalling the wrong incident . . . ? confused

Priest
Originally posted by leonidas
yep, though there is some issue i think regarding whether or not that was infinity's power.

of course, i could be recalling the wrong incident . . . ? confused
yep it was infinity's power. still immpressive since infinity is a aspect of Odin.

I watch Pokemon
Originally posted by Priest
yep it was infinity's power. still immpressive since infinity is a aspect of Odin.

From Wikipedia, not sure how accurate it is.

A cosmic entity known as "Infinity" appears in Thor #184-188, but acts quite differently from the Infinity in Quasar. It is therefore unlikely that the two are the same character, though the Marvel Universe Handbook: Master Edition considers them both to be the same character. This Infinity was created by Stan Lee and John Buscema in 1971. It was later revealed in the Quasar series that the Asgardian king Odin had tapped into a fraction of Infinity's power creating the "Infinity" that appeared in the Thor series. This being, while wielding a fraction of Infinity's power, did not represent the actual Infinity.

Soujaboy
Originally posted by leonidas
yep, though there is some issue i think regarding whether or not that was infinity's power.

of course, i could be recalling the wrong incident . . . ? confused

It may have been retconned, but as far as I know Infinity was a aspect of Odin's mind awakened by Hela during his Odin Sleep.

Infinity was consuming the universe using a small fraction of the Odin power, soon later Odin was awakened by Loki. Odin then easily defeated Infinity claiming that there is only one Odin. Odin then restored all planets that were destroyed during the process, and wiped the minds of those who had memory of the event.

The scans are in the Odin respect thread.

Soujaboy
Originally posted by I watch Pokemon
From Wikipedia, not sure how accurate it is.

A cosmic entity known as "Infinity" appears in Thor #184-188, but acts quite differently from the Infinity in Quasar. It is therefore unlikely that the two are the same character, though the Marvel Universe Handbook: Master Edition considers them both to be the same character. This Infinity was created by Stan Lee and John Buscema in 1971. It was later revealed in the Quasar series that the Asgardian king Odin had tapped into a fraction of Infinity's power creating the "Infinity" that appeared in the Thor series. This being, while wielding a fraction of Infinity's power, did not represent the actual Infinity.

Odin hadn't tapped into anyones power. Odin was asleep during the duration of the event, thus is the reason Hela was able to pull out an aspect of his mind. Hela than gave the "evil" Odin the name Infinity.

Meaning that the Infinity that appeared in Thor 188# is a completely different character that the abstract Infinity.

Mindship
Originally posted by Jyppe
And how that's not an upgrade? He now could access power which he could before and use it more freely. Sounds like an upgrade to me. Aaaand someone was definately saying that Galactus did give him moar powah. Can't be sure though. The exact wording...

Galactus: "I can heal you. I can renew your will, grant you new power, take away the remorse..."

Surfer: "No. Give me the will to do what must be done. Let my remorse define me."

It's ambiguous, but it does Not sound like Surfer is rejecting the "new power."

Full on blast? Since when does Surfer full on blast anything?

Skeets
Where do people get the 1% of Galactus from?
If you were to read the first time SS rebelled against Galactus,Galactus himself was surprised how powerful Surfer was.Galactus himself said that he's never really seen Surfer's true power.

That's when Galactus removed Surfer's Space and Time powers.
Which he got back in the 80's

Soujaboy
Originally posted by Skeets
Where do people get the 1% of Galactus from?
If you were to read the first time SS rebelled against Galactus,Galactus himself was surprised how powerful Surfer was.Galactus himself said that he's never really seen Surfer's true power.

That's when Galactus removed Surfer's Space and Time powers.
Which he got back in the 80's

Still though he's not nearly as powerful as Odin.erm

Skeets
Originally posted by Soujaboy
Still though he's not nearly as powerful as Odin.erm
No shit....haermm

Ethereal
Odin Feats:

Thor 196 : (A weakened Odin moves Asgard from it's time & place in reality)

http://www.picsaway.com/thumbs/thor196_09-5814dd41fe.jpg http://www.picsaway.com/thumbs/thor196_10-15bcf32bc9.jpg http://www.picsaway.com/thumbs/thor196_19-ec9d275dc8.jpg http://www.picsaway.com/thumbs/thor196_20-4e7b795542.jpg

Thor 197:

http://www.picsaway.com/thumbs/thor197_16-44e7cdeb7a.jpg http://www.picsaway.com/thumbs/thor197_17-d48244189c.jpg http://www.picsaway.com/thumbs/thor197_18-91f216183c.jpg http://www.picsaway.com/thumbs/thor197_19-7fbecc02a0.jpg
http://www.picsaway.com/thumbs/thor197_20-b8fb4f92da.jpg http://www.picsaway.com/thumbs/thor197_21-1b5ad5db8b.jpg

Ethereal
Thor 198:

http://www.picsaway.com/thumbs/thor_198_01-be135a21d0.jpg http://www.picsaway.com/thumbs/thor_198_02-0997ce0d4f.jpg http://www.picsaway.com/thumbs/thor_198_03-c847622c30.jpg http://www.picsaway.com/thumbs/thor_198_05-8f142361d3.jpg
http://www.picsaway.com/thumbs/thor_198_06-86fa9d770d.jpg http://www.picsaway.com/thumbs/thor_198_07-8e82b67480.jpg http://www.picsaway.com/thumbs/thor_198_08-9ada90cec7.jpg
http://www.picsaway.com/thumbs/thor_198_09-93cf601fc3.jpg http://www.picsaway.com/thumbs/thor_198_12-12a9a9cf23.jpg

Ethereal
http://www.picsaway.com/thumbs/thor_198_13-72a29d7eb4.jpg http://www.picsaway.com/thumbs/thor_198_14-7551fea6ff.jpg http://www.picsaway.com/thumbs/thor_198_15-0f7e41cf91.jpghttp://www.picsaway.com/thumbs/thor_198_16-adc80043a0.jpg http://www.picsaway.com/thumbs/thor_198_17-15a37841d8.jpg http://www.picsaway.com/thumbs/thor_198_18-3b45496c64.jpg

Scoobless
Tx ... at some point I may even read through those.

smile

leonidas
ungrateful little . . .

long pig
Originally posted by Endless Mike
If we want to do this scientifically, we could say that, at most, Surfer could destroy a solar system, while Odin could destroy a galaxy (this is simplified, likely they could both destroy more, but the ratio is pretty much the same).

Anyway, due to the inverse - square law (I did these calculations earlier for something else), it takes about 1e68j of energy to destroy a solar system the size of our own, and 1e82j to destroy a galaxy the size of our own.

That makes Odin equal to approximately 100,000,000,000,000 Surfers
Que?

SpunkySmurph
Originally posted by long pig
Que?

Simplified:

Odin = A sh*t load of Surfers.

namhaY (<)
Originally posted by Scoobless
Tx ... at some point I may even read through those.

smile

Its like trying to read Macbeth Othello or the Tempest. Thank God they don't write comics like that anymore.

There's no way that Odin was at Galaxy destroying, multi verse shaking level when he eventually died at the hands of Sutur. I mean King Thor had trouble reconstructing the moon, let a lone destroying Galaxies. And its funny how Odin has apparently destroyed entire galaxies and no one even makes reference to it, yet when Galactus destroys a few solar systems its referred to as the 'Galactus Event'. IMO the sophistication of comics as led to the logical de powering of various of its more 'Opnipotent' characters.

UniOmni
Jurgens apparently thought that the moon repairing was a big feat.

Thor fans at Alvaros laughed at that, knowing what Odin has done in the past with the OdinForce.

It still amazes me how people can say that Darkseid trumps Odin.

The Libertine
Originally posted by UniOmni
Jurgens apparently thought that the moon repairing was a big feat.

Thor fans at Alvaros laughed at that, knowing what Odin has done in the past with the OdinForce.

It still amazes me how people can say that Darkseid trumps Odin.

Because Darkseid had destroyed almost all the "gods" in his Universe pre Crisis. He was the God the Devil prayed to! That though was then! Whilst not officially being a popst crisis character he does seem depowered avatars, clones or not!

namhaY (<)
Originally posted by UniOmni
Jurgens apparently thought that the moon repairing was a big feat.

Thor fans at Alvaros laughed at that, knowing what Odin has done in the past with the OdinForce.

It still amazes me how people can say that Darkseid trumps Odin.

Darksid should be able to trumps Odin IMO, as his Mythology is far more immense. Odin is a God of earth, where as Darksied is a Universal God. Superman should be what Thor is to Galactus, as to Darksied. But even i would hate to see Darksied destroying Galaxies and shaking Multi verses. The energies needed to accomplish such feats are well truly absurd, and consequently make a character logically unbeatable.

My favourite scientist proposed a state in which a entire civilisation could potentially reach.

Type 1 Controls the energy of an Entire planet.

Type 2 Controls the entire energy out put of a star

Type 3 controls the entire energy out put of a Galaxy.

If Marvel or D.C. are going to have a character interacting and causing conflict on a regular basis, they should never be able to exceed the energy out put of a Type 3 Civilisation, unless they're an abstract entity such as Eternity, where the laws of physics don't really apply.

Magee
Why use a real life logical GUESS about civilisations by some random scientist and compare it with something in a comic book, does it bother you that much? Also I'm pretty sure the first type is to control and harness the power of the atom/nuclear energy.

namhaY (<)
Originally posted by Magee
Why use a real life logical GUESS about civilisations by some random scientist and compare it with something in a comic book, does it bother you that much? Also I'm pretty sure the first type is to control and harness the power of the atom/nuclear energy.

I'm not saying that it is the case, I'm saying it SHOULD be the case. Read the post carefully before jumping down my throat with the usual KMC stuck record crap, about logistics and comics. The more realistic the medium, the better even in a cosmic sense. I am a Sci fi nut though, and I hate the non consistent Deus Ex machina approach typically used. For example, in those scans Mangog apparently has the power of a Billion Billion souls, (which is enough to match Odin's Galaxy destroying power). Yet when he punch from this truly cosmic character only has enough strength to dislodge the road slightly. Inconsistency like this really pisses me off. Things like this make me go W.T.F. ?? why did the writer have to have Mangog punching the road in the first place?, as doesn't really have any significance on the plot. To me its juvenile and lazy writing.

And no you are wrong on the second part.

Magee
Originally posted by namhaY
I'm not saying that it is the case, I'm saying it SHOULD be the case. Read the post carefully before jumping down my throat with the usual KMC stuck record crap, about logistics and comics. The more realistic the medium, the better even in a cosmic sense. I am a Sci fi nut though, and I hate the non consistent Deus Ex machina approach typically used. For example, in those scans Mangog apparently has the power of a Billion Billion souls, (which is enough to match Odin's Galaxy destroying power). Yet when he punch from this truly cosmic character only has enough strength to dislodge the road slightly. Inconsistency like this really pisses me off. Things like this make me go W.T.F. ?? why did the writer have to have Mangog punching the road in the first place?, as doesn't really have any significance on the plot. To me its juvenile and lazy writing.

And no you are wrong on the second part.
Usual kmc stuck record crap? It is my opinion that real life logic should not ALWAYS be applied to comics. Thinking about it how can you compare galaxy destroying power to real life or even make a comparison as comics are the only thing you have to go by on that and how do you know the amount of power some one with billions of dead souls has? Its fantasy, not real which is why you shouldn't get so worked up about it. Have you not realised comics contain some of the biggest inconsistent canon material anywhere. I mean DC and Marvel are always contradicting themselves, their characters consistently job to others, they make mistakes then retcon them and just fuk the situation up even more.

UniOmni
Originally posted by namhaY (&ltwink
Darksid should be able to trumps Odin IMO, as his Mythology is far more immense. Odin is a God of earth, where as Darksied is a Universal God. Superman should be what Thor is to Galactus, as to Darksied. But even i would hate to see Darksied destroying Galaxies and shaking Multi verses. The energies needed to accomplish such feats are well truly absurd, and consequently make a character logically unbeatable.

My favourite scientist proposed a state in which a entire civilisation could potentially reach.

Type 1 Controls the energy of an Entire planet.

Type 2 Controls the entire energy out put of a star

Type 3 controls the entire energy out put of a Galaxy.

If Marvel or D.C. are going to have a character interacting and causing conflict on a regular basis, they should never be able to exceed the energy out put of a Type 3 Civilisation, unless they're an abstract entity such as Eternity, where the laws of physics don't really apply.

Darkseid's mythology is more immense?

Both are Gods that are representations of humanity.

Darkseid is a New God, aka God of Technology, the New Idols of Man.

Odin is an Old God, aka God of the Oldways, the Old Ways of Men.

Darkseid isn't a universal god.

Darkseid's character doesn't even lend him to arena type battles. He's a schemer, or supposed to be at least.

Odin is a warrior type, and as such his feats lend him to battles.

He's shaken the multiverse, destroyed galaxies, moved the Asgard from its point in time and space while weakened, done mass teleportations, has recreated dead races with little fanfare, and even given them false gods to worship.

Dude is top of the heap, and Darkseid damn sure isn't, due to numerous beatings and disrespectful showings by DC's Icon.

namhaY (<)
Originally posted by Magee
Usual kmc stuck record crap? It is my opinion that real life logic should not ALWAYS be applied to comics. Thinking about it how can you compare galaxy destroying power to real life or even make a comparison as comics are the only thing you have to go by on that and how do you know the amount of power some one with billions of dead souls has? Its fantasy, not real which is why you shouldn't get so worked up about it.


Mate i have no idea what relevance you think this has to what i stated previously, you obviously completely misinterpreted what i meant.

Originally posted by Magee
Have you not realised comics contain some of the biggest inconsistent canon material anywhere. I mean DC and Marvel are always contradicting themselves, their characters consistently job to others, they make mistakes then retcon them and just fuk the situation up even more.

My point is Rhetorical i.e. i know that comics are like that, but they don't necessarily have to be that way. Which is why i tend to stay away from such comics, and read issues published by more prolific writers. smile

The Libertine
This must be a joke thread anyone as it's asking people to quantify something unquantifiable. I think the thread starter is laughing at the posters.

Scoobless
Originally posted by The Libertine
This must be a joke thread anyone as it's asking people to quantify something unquantifiable. I think the thread starter is laughing at the posters.

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shifty

The Libertine
Originally posted by Scoobless
whistling





shifty

smile hmmm.

leonidas
oh, he has a reason, but it's not JUST to laugh . . .

wink

Scoobless
Originally posted by The Libertine
smile hmmm.

I had just recently read the Thor "Madness" storyline "Blood & Thunder" ... in it, Odin treated Surfer like a housefly and instantly shattered a containment trap that was exactly like the one imprisoning Thor, who was very angry and in possession of the Power Gem.

Soujaboy
I created an Odin respect thread if anyone wants to add to it.

The Libertine
Originally posted by Scoobless
I had just recently read the Thor "Madness" storyline "Blood & Thunder" ... in it, Odin treated Surfer like a housefly and instantly shattered a containment trap that was exactly like the one imprisoning Thor, who was very angry and in possession of the Power Gem.

Yes he did.

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