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H/P Doomsday owned Darkseid.

In the same comic it has been said (more times) that he was just the real lord of Apokolips. It never been stated that he was an avatar.


The questions are two:

How many fights Darkseid wins versus H/P Doomsday ? i give him 0/10

Who of you really think DS was an avatar ?

Originally posted by DevilGoblin
H/P Doomsday owned Darkseid.

In the same comic it has been said (more times) that he was just the real lord of Apokolips. It never been stated that he was an avatar.


The questions are two:

How many fights Darkseid wins versus H/P Doomsday ? i give him 0/10

Who of you really think DS was an avatar ?

Good thread. Goin w/Doomsday

Originally posted by guy222
Good thread. Goin w/Doomsday

thanks, Guy222

by the way: how many fights DD wins ?

Originally posted by DevilGoblin
thanks, Guy222

by the way: how many fights DD wins ?

your welcome, my friend

unsure. i read marvel. i know ds/doomsday/supes pretty strong, but imho they ain't beating the hulk. that simple.

THis is the dumbest thread ever. Did you even read the comic? DS won that fight fairly easily. He didn't erase doomsday becuz he wanted to prove his superiority. How about DS just teleports doomsday to the end of time. Works for me. DS 10/10

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
Did you even read the comic? What do you think?

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
DS won that fight fairly easily.

are you stupid ?

i have read that comic 1 hour ago and Doomsday killed/beaten/trashed/raped Darkseid horribly.....

Edit

Originally posted by DevilGoblin
are you stupid ?

i have read that comic some 1 hour ago and Doomsday killed/beaten/trashed/raped Darkseid horribly.....

U r so silly. DS won that fight. Doomsday just happened to evolve. DS won. he could have easily used the OE and wiped him from existance or tp him. DS wanted to prove that he was superior which he did. Doomsday revived and sucker punched DS.

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
U r so silly. DS won that fight. Doomsday just happened to evolve. DS won. he could have easily used the OE and wiped him from existance or tp him. DS wanted to prove that he was superior which he did. Doomsday revived and sucker punched DS.

you can't be serious

maybe it is because there are two fights the first one Darkseid won but the second (doomsday evolved) Doomsday smacked around darkseid, not sure but isn't this the course of the confusion?

Originally posted by Utrigita
maybe it is because there are two fights the first one Darkseid won but the second (doomsday evolved) Doomsday smacked around darkseid, not sure but isn't this the course of the confusion?

dd>ds

Doomsday does not evolve immediality!!!!!! Darkseid did not beat him!!!! deal with it dude

Originally posted by DevilGoblin
Doomsday does not evolve immediality!!!!!! Darkseid did not beat him!!!! deal with it dude

You don't know what the hell your talking about. DD does evolve immediately when he dies. WTF. He died. DS killed him. He came back. That is how he evolved. You need to maybe read some more DC before you make threads. Go make a hulk thread.

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
U r so silly. DS won that fight.

http://img441.imageshack.us/img441/1403/ownedpx1.jpg

Originally posted by DevilGoblin
http://img441.imageshack.us/img441/1403/ownedpx1.jpg



Posting the end of the fight only shows you dont' know what your talking about. DS killed doomsday. doomsday came back. try not to be such a silly poster please.

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
Posting the end of the fight only shows you dont' know what your talking about. DS killed doomsday. doomsday came back. try not to be such a silly poster please.

Darkseid only hits Doomsday with OE, he did not kill him. If Superman can survive OE, why should not survive a being way stronger than Superman ?

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
Posting the end of the fight only shows you dont' know what your talking about. DS killed doomsday. doomsday came back. try not to be such a silly poster please.

http://img393.imageshack.us/my.php?image=fbdd33c9jpgorig3ii.jpg

KEep in mind this wasn't the Omega effect which would have completely wiped him away.

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
http://img393.imageshack.us/my.php?image=fbdd33c9jpgorig3ii.jpg

KEep in mind this wasn't the Omega effect which would have completely wiped him away.

so if A hits B it means B is dead ?


1) in the fight no one, neither the narration, says Doomsday's dead

2) no char involved says Doomsday's dead

3) only you

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl


KEep in mind this wasn't the Omega effect which would have completely wiped him away.

Omega Effect can't even beat Superman.

Originally posted by DevilGoblin
so if A hits B it means B is dead ?


1) in the fight no one, neither the narration, says Doomsday's dead

2) no char involved says Doomsday's dead

3) only you

DS knew that DS was dead. He walked away from the fight over doomsday's body. DS is a god with cosmic senses. You prolly wanna go and buy some dc before you make your self look even more of a fool.

Originally posted by DevilGoblin
Omega Effect can't even beat Superman.

ORLY? Shall I post the hundreds of scans that prove the Omega Beams do and have hurt superman? Or shall you concede now?

Originally posted by DevilGoblin
so if A hits B it means B is dead ?


1) in the fight no one, neither the narration, says Doomsday's dead

2) no char involved says Doomsday's dead

3) only you

http://img142.imageshack.us/img142/346/dsdomai5.th.jpg

"Let the Universe know that you DIED once and for all"

Originally posted by I watch Pokemon
http://img142.imageshack.us/img142/346/dsdomai5.th.jpg

"Let the Universe know that you DIED once and for all"


so if aunt may hits Galactus and thinks he's dead, is he really dead ?

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
ORLY? Shall I post the hundreds of scans that prove the Omega Beams do and have hurt superman? Or shall you concede now?

i'm sure Superman fans can provide tons of scans where Superman survived to OE, and thinks i hate Superman Fans

(i just saw one some days ago)

Originally posted by DevilGoblin
so if aunt may hits Galactus and thinks he's dead, is he really dead ?

aunt may isn't a god with cosmic senses. I want so bad to call you a name.

Originally posted by DevilGoblin
i'm sure Superman fans can provide tons of scans where Superman survived to OE, and thinks i hate Superman Fans

(i just saw one some days ago)

They can't.

Originally posted by DevilGoblin
i'm sure Superman fans can provide tons of scans where Superman survived to OE, and thinks i hate Superman Fans

(i just saw one some days ago)

Superman is protected by the Source. Beings stronger than Superman, like Pre-Crisis Validus, have been taken out by the OE.

the events in HP were later retconned in a conversation between Darkseid and Desaad where every loss since CoIE was turned into an avatar.

If the true Darkseid had fought there that means we would have seen a being that is thousands of feet tall, because thats how big Darkseid is in his true form (he is half Promethian Giant).

Originally posted by thtadthtshldntb
the events in HP were later retconned in a conversation between Darkseid and Desaad where every loss since CoIE was turned into an avatar.

If the true Darkseid had fought there that means we would have seen a being that is thousands of feet tall, because thats how big Darkseid is in his true form (he is half Promethian Giant).

Originally posted by DevilGoblin


You really don't read dc. Just do me a favor and stop posting. Go make another rediculous hulk thread. Why not make Hulk vs Mr. Mxy. I'm sure you'll find a way to make hulk win.

rediculous.

Originally posted by DevilGoblin
i'm sure Superman fans can provide tons of scans where Superman survived to OE, and thinks i hate Superman Fans

(i just saw one some days ago)

http://img153.imageshack.us/img153/390/adventuresofsuperman518p208of.jpg

http://img157.imageshack.us/img157/8765/week351995supermanv210419ot0.jpg

http://img141.imageshack.us/img141/6962/supsdmet45nb8.jpg

Originally posted by Evil_Ash
http://img153.imageshack.us/img153/390/adventuresofsuperman518p208of.jpg

http://img157.imageshack.us/img157/8765/week351995supermanv210419ot0.jpg

http://img141.imageshack.us/img141/6962/supsdmet45nb8.jpg He didn't survive the Omega Effect in any of those however, he merely teleported them away.
And effectively I might add.

http://img484.imageshack.us/img484/6519/done13vt.jpg

Darkseid DEFINITELY lost to Doomsday in Hunter/Prey.

there is no arguing that unless you are lying.

Now, you ask, isn't it PIS for DD to survive the omega beam?

No, in fact DD had already evolved to the point where energy beam had no effect on him...he defeated a being of PURE ENERGY by going through him, which means his body has become more than just physical, but also attuned to energy.

Originally posted by masterbruce
Darkseid DEFINITELY lost to Doomsday in Hunter/Prey.

there is no arguing that unless you are lying.

Now, you ask, isn't it PIS for DD to survive the omega beam?

No, in fact DD had already evolved to the point where energy beam had no effect on him...he defeated a being of PURE ENERGY by going through him, which means his body has become more than just physical, but also attuned to energy.

Imperiex killed DD with an energy beam

Originally posted by DevilGoblin
i'm sure Superman fans can provide tons of scans where Superman survived to OE, and thinks i hate Superman Fans

(i just saw one some days ago)

Face it boy, any DC character could own Hulk. You know, your avatar knows it, your mom knows it, and even devil hulk Jr knows it.

Originally posted by masterbruce
Darkseid DEFINITELY lost to Doomsday in Hunter/Prey.

there is no arguing that unless you are lying.

Now, you ask, isn't it PIS for DD to survive the omega beam?

No, in fact DD had already evolved to the point where energy beam had no effect on him...he defeated a being of PURE ENERGY by going through him, which means his body has become more than just physical, but also attuned to energy.

an avatar of Darkseid ultimately lost to HP Doomsday who had evolved to recover from how Darkseid killed him. And note Darkseid did not erase him, he simply killed him. Had he erased him, there would be no coming back.

aren't the OE and OB the same, i always thought writers used both terms interchangeably.
anyways, this DS avatar did kill Doomsday, doomsday resurrected himself, and cheap-shoted DS. The true Darkseid would annihilate any version of doomsday.

Darkseid never killed Doomsday. I just read the comic. After he blasted DD, DD got up. Darkseid then says "impossible, you survived my Omega beam?" and "it is true, you ARE beyond death"

Originally posted by masterbruce
Darkseid never killed Doomsday. I just read the comic. After he blasted DD, DD got up. Darkseid then says "impossible, you survived my Omega beam?" and "it is true, you ARE beyond death"

That was an Avatar of Darkseid, not the true Darkseid.

This is bad. Nvr is getting sonned by Devilhulk. I LOVE IT!

Originally posted by thtadthtshldntb
That was an Avatar of Darkseid, not the true Darkseid.

Never said in the comic that it was an avatar, and the supposed "retconning" only covered one of Darkseid's losses as an avatar, and hasn't been mentioned since.

Wait a minute!!!! I'm confused. Are ANY of DS's losses Avatars, or real? I know better than to trust Nvr and Devil. The scans show DD getting knocked down, but I'd like to see the whole fight. CAN WE GET SOMEONE WITH ACTUAL CREDIBILITY ON DCU INFO TO REFEREE THIS AND CLEAR THE RECORD? We're arguing over factual information, which means someone has scans, info or something to prove this one way or the other.

Originally posted by masterbruce
Darkseid never killed Doomsday. I just read the comic. After he blasted DD, DD got up. Darkseid then says "impossible, you survived my Omega beam?" and "it is true, you ARE beyond death"

that's exactly what my comic says

(fanboys are really amazing )

Originally posted by TricksterPriest
Wait a minute!!!! I'm confused. Are ANY of DS's losses Avatars, or real? I know better than to trust Nvr and Devil. The scans show DD getting knocked down, but I'd like to see the whole fight. CAN WE GET SOMEONE WITH ACTUAL CREDIBILITY ON DCU INFO TO REFEREE THIS AND CLEAR THE RECORD? We're arguing over factual information, which means someone has scans, info or something to prove this one way or the other.

Juntai usually pulls up scans of Darkseid saying that some of his avatars were there when he was defeated, and you see a screen with those instances.

However, there's a lot missing. His loss to Superman when he was blinded, when he was thrown into the Source Wall, when he was beaten down and worked at McDonalds, etc.

So, I'd say about a third to a half of his losses were retconned into avatars. You're gonna get people to say that they all were, but it's Darkseid wank, trust me.

Says the pot calling the kettle black......

Anyway, I asked for someone with ACTUAL credibility on the subject, so pipe down and be quiet, hulk fanboy.


edit: Thanks beta. So some of his losses are avatars and others are unexplained? then where does the DS vs. DD fight fall? Or should I just pm Juntai to ask him, since he seems to be the DS expert here?

Originally posted by TricksterPriest
Wait a minute!!!! I'm confused. Are ANY of DS's losses Avatars, or real? I know better than to trust Nvr and Devil. The scans show DD getting knocked down, but I'd like to see the whole fight. CAN WE GET SOMEONE WITH ACTUAL CREDIBILITY ON DCU INFO TO REFEREE THIS AND CLEAR THE RECORD? We're arguing over factual information, which means someone has scans, info or something to prove this one way or the other.

NVR lied. or he just didnt have the facts.

I just read the comic 30 min ago. Doomsday was not killed, or even injured in the slightest.

Right after the page where DS hits DD with the OE, we see DD punching through the rocks that fell on top of him and DS is shocked!

he then says somethings like he couldnt believe DD actually SURVIVED (he used that word, meaning DD didnt die and come back) the blast.

Unfortunately I dont have the scans, but it IS MADE VERY CLEAR that DD was not killed, not even close.

I wonder if Nvr knew this and lied on purpose, in which case his credibility in the future should be doubted.

Originally posted by TricksterPriest
Wait a minute!!!! I'm confused. Are ANY of DS's losses Avatars, or real? I know better than to trust Nvr and Devil. The scans show DD getting knocked down, but I'd like to see the whole fight. CAN WE GET SOMEONE WITH ACTUAL CREDIBILITY ON DCU INFO TO REFEREE THIS AND CLEAR THE RECORD? We're arguing over factual information, which means someone has scans, info or something to prove this one way or the other.

DD beat Darkseid to death. Anyone in the world saw this in Superman/Doomsday :H/P

Darkseid fanboys could not accept the bad defeat of his favourite char and started to use a ridiculous lie about Avatars.

That's the true and there's nothing to add.

Originally posted by TricksterPriest
Says the pot calling the kettle black......

Anyway, I asked for someone with ACTUAL credibility on the subject, so pipe down and be quiet, hulk fanboy.


edit: Thanks beta. So some of his losses are avatars and others are unexplained? then where does the DS vs. DD fight fall? Or should I just pm Juntai to ask him, since he seems to be the DS expert here?

Actually, don't PM either of them. I've got a guy from another forum that knows literally EVERYTHING about the new gods called Izaya. He's from Comic Edge. I talk to him about this stuff.

Juntai is the one who would tell you that all of 'seid's lower showings are avatars.

As for the Doomsday one, there's no instance of saying that it's an avatar, so it's pretty conclusive that is Darkseid.

Originally posted by DevilGoblin
Darkseid fanboys could not accept the bad defeat of his favourite char and started to use a ridiculous lie about Avatars.

You are a retard the avatar stuff was mentioned in atleast 3 or 4 comics.

Originally posted by masterbruce
NVR lied. or he just didnt have the facts.

I just read the comic 30 min ago. Doomsday was not killed, or even injured in the slightest.

Right after the page where DS hits DD with the OE, we see DD punching through the rocks that fell on top of him and DS is shocked!

he then says somethings like he couldnt believe DD actually SURVIVED (he used that word, meaning DD didnt die and come back) the blast.

Unfortunately I dont have the scans, but it IS MADE VERY CLEAR that DD was not killed, not even close.

I wonder if Nvr knew this and lied on purpose, in which case his credibility in the future should be doubted.


i'll do the scan by myself, just a moment please

Originally posted by juggernaut66666
You are a retard the avatar stuff was mentioned in atleast 3 or 4 comics.

before the Doomsday fight, which constantly is neglected.

That's what Darkseid fans mean with " DS killed DD"

- DS hits him
-He wakes up in 1 second
- DD owns DS


http://img401.imageshack.us/img401/4430/ownedsd5.jpg

Originally posted by juggernaut66666
You are a retard the avatar stuff was mentioned in atleast 3 or 4 comics.

provide scans where we all can read " DD beat an avatar" and i'll trust you for ever my friend

you should post the next page too if you can

DS admits that DD 'SURVIVED' his blast rather than having died and came back.

Originally posted by DevilGoblin
provide scans where we all can read " DD beat an avatar" and i'll trust you for ever my friend

How do you post the nonexistant?

Oiiii.... *walks up to DevilGoblin and *****-slaps him* What part of: "Shut up, fanboy" do you not get? You have no credibility on this board, and if you were going to post scans, post the whole fight. That does it, I'm pming Draco and Juntai. I want a concrete answer to this, and seeing how the scans in the DS respect thread are unreadable, it seems I have to go to the source.

Originally posted by masterbruce
you should post the next page too if you can

DS admits that DD 'SURVIVED' his blast rather than having died and came back.

sure, but it's in italian language

p.s. anyway i'll do it immediality

they were omega beams, like unsurpassed force, which darksied explains but anyway... the only guy shot with and survive the omega "effect" is superman, it's debatable whether doomsday could do the same... there you go, now you guys know the difference and what not

http://img181.imageshack.us/img181/3817/ownedagainkg0.jpg


Here Darkseid said what Master Bruce just said......

the translation is " no one never survived omega beams"

SURVIVED = NOT DEAD!!

SURVIVED (ENGLISH) = SOPRAVVISSUTO (ITALIANO)

Doomsday is a lot shorter than I remembered.

Devilhulk, since I don't have the comic on hand, does it mention anything about an Avatar?

Originally posted by Beta Ray Howard
Doomsday is a lot shorter than I remembered.

Devilhulk, since I don't have the comic on hand, does it mention anything about an Avatar?


Nothing, that's the reason i opened this thread.

Apparently people here cannot distinguish between an avatar of Darkseid and TRUE Darkseid:

http://img169.imageshack.us/img169/85/ultfx7vk6.jpg

The guy with gray skin and a blue unitard is just an avatar of what he USED to look like before he absorbed large portions of the Godwave and transcended mere physical form.

After absorbing the Anti-Life Equation, he created a NEW avatar called "Dark Side" which is the African-American above.

Doomsday defeated a weakened avatar who was severely depleted of energy from facing the Highfather.

Hulk Smash!

now seriosly

where did DD resurrected himself so quick has that? i always see him resurrect after days!

DD clear owned DS! a big and ugly Own

Here we see that Darkseid via his avatar Dark Side has created numerous universes utilizing the Godwave in conjunction with the Anti-Life Equation:

http://img169.imageshack.us/img169/7315/ult1yb9mm4.jpg

Again, Darkseid via Darkside creates the Omega Sanction, an infinite living dimension that is limitless in it's scope and power to create pocket dimensions for Mister Miracle to suffer from....

http://img169.imageshack.us/img169/6852/ult3hx3nd5.jpg

Scary. So he's actually making dimensional entities and alternate realities?

Originally posted by TricksterPriest
Scary. So he's actually making dimensional entities and alternate realities?

Yep.

Here's another feat of the old avatar Darkseid was using when facing Godwave Ares. The JLA, the GLC AND Takion couldn't do sh** to Ares with the Godwave (a small portion of it):

http://img494.imageshack.us/img494/2953/heroes11ci.jpg

Darkseid's old avatar casually traps Godwave Ares with ease:

http://img353.imageshack.us/img353/1055/f9a

Does anyone STILL believe that Doomsday could truly beat Darkseid (even a fully-powered avatar?)?

Not me. I'm convinced. Darkseid is the 2nd or 3rd most powerful being in the DCU currently IMO. Under Spectre and Presence. (If I missed anyone, let me know).

Draco:

1. Where is your proof that the Darkseid Doomsday killed was an avatar? (just because he has had avatars does not mean everytime he loses, it was an avatar)

2. In the examples you've shown of Darkseid's avatars, they all look NOTHING LIKE darkseid, had you not said they were avatars, I would have no clue they were even related in any way to Darkseid. Do you have a scan of a Darkseid avatar looking EXACTLY LIKE darkseid???

Originally posted by TricksterPriest
Not me. I'm convinced. Darkseid is the 2nd or 3rd most powerful being in the DCU currently IMO. Under Spectre and Presence. (If I missed anyone, let me know).

are you dismissing the fact that Doomsday's complete ownage of Darkseid (not an avatar)?

Originally posted by Anonimator
Hulk Smash!

now seriosly

where did DD resurrected himself so quick has that? i always see him resurrect after days!

DD clear owned DS! a big and ugly Own

co-signed

that's the point i keep taking in consideration

DD needs a lot of time (days, months who knows ?) to resurrect.

Originally posted by Draco69
Doomsday defeated a weakened avatar who was severely depleted of energy from facing the Highfather.



Where is there mention of Doomsday fighting an avatar anywhere?

There isn't.

Same as the Omega Effect being deflected by heat vision.

Same as Darkseid getting rammed into the Source Wall.

Same as the mugging.

Same as McDonalds.


Once again.

Originally posted by TricksterPriest
Not me. I'm convinced.

you was convinced by the start because you are a darkseid fanboy

DS is like Thanos, without, allies, prep time and tech do shit.

Originally posted by Beta Ray Howard


Where is there mention of Doomsday fighting an avatar anywhere?

There isn't.

Same as the Omega Effect being deflected by heat vision.

Same as Darkseid getting rammed into the Source Wall.

Same as the mugging.

Same as McDonalds.


Once again.





Nowhere. It's just an excuse to cover his embarassing defeat.

Originally posted by masterbruce
Draco:

1. Where is your proof that the Darkseid Doomsday killed was an avatar? (just because he has had avatars does not mean everytime he loses, it was an avatar)

Because Darkseid absorbed so many pantheons (and thus absorbing the Godwave portions of their pantheons) that he's transcended the need of a physical body. He's powerful enough to create entire dimensions with a thought as shown above. He's a higher power like Eternity and such. So he creates avatar and funnels a bit of his power into them to do his will. He created the first one in his old form as what he looked like before absorbing the Godwave and transcending the need for a physical body to keep his old life.

After destroying New Genesis, it was no longer required. He disposed of his avatar and created a new one called Darkside.



Originally posted by masterbruce
2. In the examples you've shown of Darkseid's avatars, they all look NOTHING LIKE darkseid, had you not said they were avatars, I would have no clue they were even related in any way to Darkseid. Do you have a scan of a Darkseid avatar looking EXACTLY LIKE darkseid???

If you had any knowledge of Darkseid's history, you would know that most of his showings in comics were his avatars. Prior to the crisis, Darkseid hadn't created any avatars and was merely using his physical form. After absorbing enough pantheons, Darkseid created an avatar in his image.

What happened was this:

http://img442.imageshack.us/img442/9136/f9cca559jpgorig2ra.jpg

Originally posted by TricksterPriest
Not me. I'm convinced. Darkseid is the 2nd or 3rd most powerful being in the DCU currently IMO. Under Spectre and Presence. (If I missed anyone, let me know).

Then why did he get rammed into the source wall?

Why was the Omega Effect deflected by Heat Vision?

Why did Superman blind him?

He's not that powerful.

Originally posted by Draco69
If you had any knowledge of Darkseid's history, you would know that most of his showings in comics were his avatars.

There there are more than one occasion of the True Darkseid being beaten, bloodied, etc.

The source wall incident - No mention of an avatar.

When he was blinded - No mention of an avatar.

etc, etc.

Originally posted by masterbruce
are you dismissing the fact that Doomsday's complete ownage of Darkseid (not an avatar)?

It was an avatar. The battle between Darkseid and Doomsday took place after the Highfather and Darkseid entered the Source creating a "balance" between "good" and "evil". Unfortunately, their physical bodies are stuck there. So they project avatars of themselves in their absence:

http://img477.imageshack.us/img477/8420/newgods10079zu.jpg

I've just shown Darkseid creating entire universes. Do you REALLY believe that Doomsday legititmately defeated DS?

Originally posted by Draco69
I've just shown Darkseid creating entire universes. Do you REALLY believe that Doomsday legititmately defeated DS?



Aren't you neglecting the fact that during Seven Soldiers he had possession of the Anti-Life equation?

i'll ask Dan Jurgens

Originally posted by Beta Ray Howard
There there are more than one occasion of the True Darkseid being beaten, bloodied, etc.

Name one. Prior to absorbing the Godwave and giving himself to the Source? Sure. By beings like PC Superman and Daxamite. After, just his avatar.

Which is why "Darkseid" seems to "die" so many times. Here we see Darkseid get "killed" by the Spectre:


http://img369.imageshack.us/img369/8891/spectre13bv.jpg

Whoops, he's back in the very same issue... :

http://img521.imageshack.us/img521/456/forgiveness23gn.jpg

Originally posted by Draco69


I've just shown Darkseid creating entire universes



don't make us laugh, Darkseid can't create a universe by himself or Superman could do it the same

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
THis is the dumbest thread ever. Did you even read the comic? DS won that fight fairly easily. He didn't erase doomsday becuz he wanted to prove his superiority. How about DS just teleports doomsday to the end of time. Works for me. DS 10/10

did YOU read that comic?

he tried he failed and doomsday railed his ass.. he didn't win SHIT..

Originally posted by Beta Ray Howard
Aren't you neglecting the fact that during Seven Soldiers he had possession of the Anti-Life equation?

The Anti-Life Equation gives him the power to completely decimate "hope" in all forms and giving him complete and utter control over anyone he wants. It's basically the ultimate form of mind-control.

The "Life" Equation gives what sentinent beings alone have: free will.

The Anti-Life Equation does the opposite. It completely strips anyone of free will and makes the "one with Omega".

Which is what Darkseid really wants. He wants EVERYONE in the multiverse to be under his control and in complete despair. He believes free will is a disease. The only will they need is Darkseid.

Originally posted by DevilGoblin
don't make us laugh, Darkseid can't create a universe by himself or Superman could do it the same

Go back a page...



Ya see all those dead bodies with Robin missing a cheek.

Why I am debating with a retarded three year old like you anyway....

Draco I have said the exact same thing you are saying now dozens of times. Some people don't want to listen or just don't like the outcome

Originally posted by Beta Ray Howard
Then why did he get rammed into the source wall?

Why was the Omega Effect deflected by Heat Vision?

Why did Superman blind him?

He's not that powerful.

People, you need to understand.

Darkseid. The REAL Darkseid is in the Source. He's been in there for about twenty odd years. The Darkseid we've been seeing is just a portion of his power stuck in an avatar. Darkseid is on a higher plane.

http://img442.imageshack.us/img442/9136/f9cca559jpgorig2ra.jpg

Read the scan. Doomsday defeated an avatar. Doomsday and Superman were powerful enough defeat him.

It's all made VERY clear in one simple page.

Originally posted by King_Mungi
Draco I have said the exact same thing you are saying now dozens of times. Some people don't want to listen or just don't like the outcome

like someone who says "Darkseid won easy" after i posted a pic where he has been beaten horribly, look at my signature and read again the comic please

Originally posted by King_Mungi
Draco I have said the exact same thing you are saying now dozens of times. Some people don't want to listen or just don't like the outcome

I don't know why it's so confusing....

Originally posted by Draco69
Darkseid is on a higher plane.


the fanboys plane, sure

Originally posted by DevilGoblin
like someone who says "Darkseid won easy" after i posted a pic where he has been beaten horribly, look at my signature and read again the comic please

I have read the comic, and when DS shot Doomsday with the OE he thought it was over and then got blind-sided and even that was revealed as an avatar as shown by Draco's scans. I suggest you actually read what is said rather than look at the pretty pictures.

Originally posted by Draco69
I don't know why it's so confusing....



Simply denial, I even posted the exact same scans you have done in this thread and they ignored it then as well.

Originally posted by DevilGoblin
DD beat Darkseid to death. Anyone in the world saw this in Superman/Doomsday :H/P

Darkseid fanboys could not accept the bad defeat of his favourite char and started to use a ridiculous lie about Avatars.

That's the true and there's nothing to add.

hysterical

Originally posted by DevilGoblin
like someone who says "Darkseid won easy" after i posted a pic where he has been beaten horribly, look at my signature and read again the comic please

Please don't talk. Your credability was shattered when you said that Hulk could defeat Galactus.



How many forums have you been banned from again.

Howard Jones said you were banned from SHC. That much is known.

Originally posted by DevilGoblin
like someone who says "Darkseid won easy" after i posted a pic where he has been beaten horribly, look at my signature and read again the comic please

http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y37/Nightmareman95/stfu-big.png

Originally posted by DevilGoblin
the fanboys plane, sure

You've alot of nerve talking about fanboys...

Originally posted by King_Mungi
I suggest you actually read what is said rather than look at the pretty pictures.

okay, why dont you tell us what is said?

Originally posted by masterbruce
okay, why dont you tell us what is said?

Uhhhh... I did many times, that all of DS loses were avatars and provided the exact same scans Draco just did.

Originally posted by King_Mungi
Uhhhh... I did many times, that all of DS loses were avatars and provided the exact same scans Draco just did.

So, you're telling me, in the very comic that Doomsday battles Darkseid, it is said that DS was merely an avatar???

Originally posted by masterbruce
So, you're telling me, in the very comic that Doomsday battles Darkseid, it is said that DS was merely an avatar???

Originally posted by masterbruce
So, you're telling me, in the very comic that Doomsday battles Darkseid, it is said that DS was merely an avatar???

Yes.

Originally posted by masterbruce
So, you're telling me, in the very comic that Doomsday battles Darkseid, it is said that DS was merely an avatar???

Originally posted by Evil_Ash
Yes.

Originally posted by masterbruce
So, you're telling me, in the very comic that Doomsday battles Darkseid, it is said that DS was merely an avatar???

Well, if you're smart enough to THINK a bit about for a minute:

1) Darkseid is still in the Source. He never left. He's been in the Source with the Highfather since the late eighties. He couldn't leave the Source, since he needed to be there to maintain the balance. Neither could the Highfather. So he projected a small portion of his power into an avatar that looks like him to do his work. And that's the way it's been for about twenty years...

2) Doomsday Hunter/Prey takes place AFTER Darkseid being absorbed in the Source.

We know he can't get out. If he does, the Source goes out of balance and the multiverse dies, so OBVIOUSLY Darkseid is using an avatar to do his business in that issue.

It's common sense. If it was TRUE Darkseid, DS could wiped him out of reality with a thought. He's destroyed entire pantheons and reduced cosmic beings like the Lords of Chaos and Order to worms.

You REALLY think it was the REAL Darkseid?

THINK.

Draco just simplify it for them....."YES"

Originally posted by Evil_Ash
Yes.

could you provide a scan? I do trust you though.

Originally posted by King_Mungi
Draco just simplify it for them....."YES"

I'm hoping against hope that it can get through their thick skulls....

Originally posted by Draco69
Name one.

2 words: Source Wall

1 Phrase: "Quarter. I am blinded. I can no longer resort to the Omega Effect."

Originally posted by masterbruce
could you provide a scan? I do trust you though.

You're either blind or just f**king dense:

Go back a page. Look for the scan that CLEARLY says word per word, that Darkseid's body is in the Source and he must now use an avatar to do his work...

Originally posted by Draco69
I'm hoping against hope that it can get through their thick skulls....



Like I said I have been over the exact same stuff your talking about and sadly obviously it didn't go threw.

Originally posted by Draco69
You're either blind or just f**king dense:

Go back a page. Look for the scan that CLEARLY says word per word, that Darkseid's body is in the Source and he must now use an avatar to do his work...



He was pulled out the Source wall by Superman.

Originally posted by Draco69
You're either blind or just f**king dense:

Go back a page. Look for the scan that CLEARLY says word per word, that Darkseid's body is in the Source and he must now use an avatar to do his work...



wait, that was from the Hunter/Prey comic???

Originally posted by Beta Ray Howard
2 words: Source Wall

1 Phrase: "Quarter. I am blinded. I can no longer resort to the Omega Effect."

I've just explained. I can't make it any simpler.

I blame Grant Morrison for this. Everyone on this forum probably didn't read DC regularly until JLA came out...


Let's make it simple:

1) Darkseid stuck in Source.

2) Darkseid stuck there since late eighties.

3) He never came out.

4) Darkseid created an avatar that looks like him to due his work and granted that avatar with a small portion of his power. However he as the avatar plainly stated "can be defeated by powerful beings." Like Superman.

5) TRUE Darkseid is STILL in the Source with the Highfather. Who also created an avatar to do his bidding....

Originally posted by masterbruce
wait, that was from the Hunter/Prey comic???



NO. It was BEFORE Hunter/Prey.

GOD.

Simple!

1) Real Darkseid stuck in Source

2) Created avatar to due his bidding.

3) Real Darkseid STILL stuck in Source. Been there since late eighties. NEVER came out.

I feel like a special education teacher...

Draco, this is freakin' pointless. It's like trying to talk to a room full of deaf mutes who have Down Syndrome.

Anyway, Darkseid makes DD his b*tch.

/thread

Originally posted by Beta Ray Howard
He was pulled out the Source wall by Superman.

The Source Wall and the SOURCE are not the same thing.

The Source Wall is merely a wall/prison created by the Source itself for two purposes:

1) as a barrier between the multiverse and higher planes of existence. (Which is unnecessary since Darkseid is IN the Source and ALREADY breached the Source Wall. That's why he's one with the Source...)

2) it also serves a prison of sorts to ward off those who dare approach the higher realities.

The Source is inquantifiable being of energy that created the New and Old Gods and spawned the Godwave....

Originally posted by batdude123
Draco, this is freakin' pointless. It's like trying to talk to a room full of deaf mutes who have Down Syndrome.

Anyway, Darkseid makes DD his b*tch.

/thread



I tried my best....

Originally posted by Draco69


I tried my best....

Indeed, and rational people can see your point.

However, preaching to this choir is borderline insanity.

Originally posted by Draco69


I feel like a special education teacher...

a good education teacher does not say lies, and does not chance reality for his own interest

Originally posted by batdude123
However, preaching to this choir is borderline insanity.

Case in point ....

Originally posted by DevilGoblin
a good education teacher does not say lies, and does not chance reality for his own interest

Originally posted by DevilGoblin
a good education teacher does not say lies, and does not chance reality for his own interest

http://home.zcu.cz/~topicz/Foto/Shut%20The%20****%20Up%20.jpg

Draco, I thank you for coming and at least trying. It may not mean much, but I was skeptical of Darkseid before you posted. You've managed to convert at least one person. You have throughly convinced me that Darkseid at his TRUE POWER LEVEL, is abstract level.

But....as Batdude said, most of the other posters in this thread are a lost cause. Oh well, at least you convinced a few people. Hell, Masterbruce agreed with you, which says that not only is he not as dumb as some people think, but that Devilgoblin is the worst kind of fanboy. The kind who ignore on-panel evidence and wanks character beyond their abilities.

Once again, thank you for showing us what Darkseid's capabilites are.

Originally posted by TricksterPriest
Draco, I thank you for coming and at least trying. It may not mean much, but I was skeptical of Darkseid before you posted. You've managed to convert at least one person. You have throughly convinced me that Darkseid at his TRUE POWER LEVEL, is abstract level.

But....as Batdude said, most of the other posters in this thread are a lost cause. Oh well, at least you convinced a few people. Hell, Masterbruce agreed with you, which says that not only is he not as dumb as some people think, but that Devilgoblin is the worst kind of fanboy. The kind who ignore on-panel evidence and wanks character beyond their abilities.

Once again, thank you for showing us what Darkseid's capabilites are.

*SOB*

Thank you!

I feel so appreciated...

cry

No prob. Go Dark Side.

A few things to address.

In Hunter Prey, Darkseid got merked by DD. We've seen how this fight happens.
You can argue the technicals like it wasn't the true OE, but the writers intentions were to have Darky use his ultimate attack, have it not be enough and then get merked, thus putting DD on a higher level of credibility.
Its in the pages of the tpb, in the authors words.

Now however, the fights been retconned into being an avatar of Uxas.

But Darkseid has been defeated, and twice.

First in Apok Now, and secondly in S/B, where he hid in a farmhouse, and got dumped in the source wall.
And NvrhdCle, the Source Wall didn't help Superman. The fight was over by the time Superman dumped his ass there.

Retcons don't work proactively. Ie, they don't cover future developments. Only whats happened to a point prior to the retcon.

So as of now, Darky was beaten twice by Superman and has two clean losses.

Darkseid isn't abstract level by any means. He's powerful, but being overrated if thats what people are saying.

As for this fight, i'll say Darkseid does to DD what he did to InfinityMan, where he teleported him to a point beyond time and space.

Originally posted by UniOmni
A few things to address.

In Hunter Prey, Darkseid got merked by DD. We've seen how this fight happens.
You can argue the technicals like it wasn't the true OE, but the writers intentions were to have Darky use his ultimate attack, have it not be enough and then get merked, thus putting DD on a higher level of credibility.
Its in the pages of the tpb, in the authors words.

Now however, the fights been retconned into being an avatar of Uxas.

But Darkseid has been defeated, and twice.

First in Apok Now, and secondly in S/B, where he hid in a farmhouse, and got dumped in the source wall.
And NvrhdCle, the Source Wall didn't help Superman. The fight was over by the time Superman dumped his ass there.

Retcons don't work proactively. Ie, they don't cover future developments. Only whats happened to a point prior to the retcon.

So as of now, Darky was beaten twice by Superman and has two clean losses.

Darkseid isn't abstract level by any means. He's powerful, but being overrated if thats what people are saying.

As for this fight, i'll say Darkseid does to DD what he did to InfinityMan, where he teleported him to a point beyond time and space.

Please read my posts.



Nothing was retconned. There's IS no retcon. Darkseid is still in the Source along with the Highfather...

Highfather is dead iirc, and has been replaced by Takion.

If Darkseid wasn't defeated in S/B, why would Superman be forced to retrieve a mere avatar from the Source Wall?

I read your posts.

I just don't believe there's truth in them, no heat.

Originally posted by UniOmni
Highfather is dead iirc, and has been replaced by Takion.

If Darkseid wasn't defeated in S/B, why would Superman be forced to retrieve a mere avatar from the Source Wall?

I read your posts.

I just don't believe there's truth in them, no heat.
Jeph Loeb?

Originally posted by UniOmni
Highfather is dead iirc, and has been replaced by Takion.

He's not really "dead". He along with Darkseid was absorbed in the Source. After Darkseid attempted to muck with the Source, it went schizo. So Highfather and Darkseid threw themselves into the Source to stabilize it.

Takion served as a replacement for Highfather after Highfather appeared via an avatar with his final words. Unlikely Highfather, however, Darkseid actively chooses to have his avatar do his bidding in the DC multiverse. Highfather doesn't because the "light" side of the Source must remain defense and cannot interfere with the workings of the multiverse.



Originally posted by UniOmni
If Darkseid wasn't defeated in S/B, why would Superman be forced to retrieve a mere avatar from the Source Wall?

Because it was written by a hack named Jeph Loeb who doesn't give a damn about continuity or anything other Superman cock-strocking?

Answer me this? Why is Darkseid currently a black kingpin on Earth? He ISN'T. After destroying New Genesis and finally gaining the Anti-Life Equation, he decided to change his avatar's appearance to suit his new purposes.

Here we see Highfather's (I thought he was dead, UniOmni....) avatar watching Darkseid's avatar finally conquering New Genesis in Seven Soldiers of Victory:



http://img241.imageshack.us/img241/1712/scan0009dg0.jpg

http://img350.imageshack.us/img350/9615/scan0010pe8fs1.jpg

He renamed his avatar "Dark Side" and changed its appearance for his new purposes.

In the last issue of Seven Soldiers of Victory, we finally see TRUE Darkseid as disemobdied spirit hovering over his avatar, Darkside.

Originally posted by UniOmni
I read your posts.

I just don't believe there's truth in them, no heat.

You've haven't read them nearly well enough.

It's not about believing. For heaven's sake, it's not religous text. It's fact. On-panel fact.

People here obviously haven't the slightest clue what the heck Darkseid's history is....

No.

David Craccelker.

Juggernaut, do you honestly believe that Darkseid is a character on the level of Eternity?

Originally posted by juggernaut66666
Jeph Loeb?



And Supergirl is able break free from Raven's soul-self according Jeph Loeb.

Something friggin' Trigon couldn't do...

Doomsday wins

Originally posted by UniOmni
No.

David Craccelker.

Juggernaut, do you honestly believe that Darkseid is a character on the level of Eternity?

Eternity? No. That's the problem here, it's another example of "let's judge a character's power level on the Marvel scale because that's all we know."

He possesses the Anti-Life Equation.

He possesses the Godwave energy of countless god pantheons

He completely owned Godwave-wielding Ares where Takion, successor of Highfather could barely defend against him.

He can create numerous universes and realities as well as living dimensional beings such as the Omega Sanction.

I wouldn't say he's as powerful as Eternity but he's in a league of his own, that's for sure.

Originally posted by Draco69


And Supergirl is able break free from Raven's soul-self according Jeph Loeb.

Something friggin' Trigon couldn't do...


That bastard screwed up Darkseid.
Now he got his hands on Onslaught I pretty much liked him before, but Jeph screwed him aswell.Have you read Onslaught Reborn?

Originally posted by juggernaut66666
That bastard screwed up Darkseid.
Now he got his hands on Onslaught I pretty much liked him before, but Jeph screwed him aswell.Have you read Onslaught Reborn?

I refuse to read anything with his name on it. I heard Onslaught Reborn was f'ing terrible....

I really pity the Ultimates. I really do....

Originally posted by Draco69
I refuse to read anything with his name on it. I heard Onslaught Reborn was f'ing terrible....

I really pity the Ultimates. I really do....
In the last issue Captain America was beating the hell out of Onslaught who looked like a monster in an armor he even has a grotesque body and neck and so on and he fights h2h. I was like WTF?

Originally posted by juggernaut66666
In the last issue Captain America was beating the hell out of Onslaught who looked like a monster in an armor he even has a grotesque body under his armor and he fights h2h. I was like WTF?

Ugh.

And people for some reason use Superman/Batman as reputable evidence on this forum.....

Originally posted by Draco69
Ugh.

And people for some reason use Superman/Batman as reputable evidence on this forum.....
That shit is horrible Batman has beaten Solomon Grundy in 1 panel in a h2h fight. I think it was issue 3 or 4.

Originally posted by Draco69
Eternity? No. That's the problem here, it's another example of "let's judge a character's power level on the Marvel scale because that's all we know."

He possesses the Anti-Life Equation.

He possesses the Godwave energy of countless god pantheons

He completely owned Godwave-wielding Ares where Takion, successor of Highfather could barely defend against him.

He can create numerous universes and realities as well as living dimensional beings such as the Omega Sanction.

I wouldn't say he's as powerful as Eternity but he's in a league of his own, that's for sure.

Correction.

I read mostly DC, so Marvel isn't all i know.

I made the Eternity comment, due to what you'd posted earlier in this thread.

He owned Ares with tech, and very careful planning well in advance. He struck when he knew Ares would be vulnerable, so its a prep feat, not an internal power feat.

He possesses the energies of countless unknown, no name Pantheons, and was wary of going against DC Odin in head to head battle.

Him possessing the ALE, is as relevant as Thanos wielding the IG. Its an outside powerup, no more, no less.

I own the Seven Soldiers mini, all of them.

If its actually Darkseid under his own power creating true blue alternate realities, then i'll concede the fact.

But it could also merely be Morrisonish tripe, where its a whole bunch of ill defined wannabe metaphysical bull, such as the Phoenix rewriting the universe hype.

I'd hold my tongue on the mini, if i were you.

Wait until the New Gods project hits the stands, before making concrete statements.......
Thats what NvrHdCle and Jesse7 do, and they're generally disregarded.

Originally posted by Draco69
Ugh.

And people for some reason use Superman/Batman as reputable evidence on this forum.....


Its not well written, or good by any measure, but it is canon, and the showings stand.

Why would DC put Darkseid in the wall, and then make Superman retrieve a mere avatar?

Originally posted by UniOmni
Its not well written, or good by any measure, but it is canon, and the showings stand.

Why would DC put Darkseid in the wall, and then make Superman retrieve a mere avatar?
BECAUSE ****IN RETARD JEPH LOEB WROTE IT!!!!!
I think Dc has fired him because he screwed up a lot of things there. That is why he works for Marvel now.IIRC

Originally posted by UniOmni
Its not well written, or good by any measure, but it is canon, and the showings stand.

Why would DC put Darkseid in the wall, and then make Superman retrieve a mere avatar?

Because it was written by Jeph Loeb who plainly attempts to characterize Darkseid as Class 80 brick who can shoot laser beams out his eyes occassionally.

Canon can be disregarded if it doesn't match up with continutity. Such as Black Panther.

Canonically, White Crown Phoenix was supposed to be in the top five of the most powerful beings in Marvel. Until Mr. Master deconstructed it to the bare bones showing how it's false and doesn't make sense.

And we all agreed.

I've already shown evidence and a timeline that shows where, why and how Darkseid resorted to using an avatar. Darkseid NEVER left the Source. EVER. If he did, the multiverse would literally implode.

By YOUR rights, Darkseid left the Source off-panel, somehow, to make the Source inbalanced and the multiverse is fine for some reason.

Bullsh**.

Highfather and Darkseid were both needed for the Source to stablize. If they were to leave, the Source would spiral out of control.

And you STILL haven't answered why Darkseid is suddenly a black kingpin?

If you have the Seven Soldiers Mini, I shouldn't have to convince you. Read the last issue. What's the creepy looking mass of energy that kinda looks like Darkseid hovering over his avatar?

Also isn't it hypocritical not to mention plain stupid, to disregard all OTHER canonical references made in this thread including Morrison and yet use Jeph Loeb's comics as paramount canon evidence?

Jeph Loeb's canon>>>>>everyone else's canon for the last 20 years?

I'm not saying that Loebs canon supercedes everything else.

What i'm saying, is that it has to be weighed in, unless a change is written in, ie a retcon.

Canon showings make up the continuity strand. Thats what continuity is.

Darkseid has always been more powerful than Superman clearly, until Apok Now where he stated that Superman had grown stronger, and Superman proved it by reflecting the OE.
A shitty comic, full of wank and stroking but it happened and stands in continuity.

And for the record, Darkseid has been an above the top tier brick with glorified laser beams for a long time now. ITs not merely Loeb not doing his homework. ITs many writers not caring. Sad but it happens.

I'd think after the events of IC, its clear that the multiverse isn't fine. MAtter of fact, DC hasn't had an official multiverse for decades.

And for the continuity thing again, its foolish to pick and choose what showings count, when all happen within a canon comic. Picking and choosing is what Nvr does.

As a fan of Thor, the bullet thing pisses me off, but it happens and must be weighed upon.

Darkseid was shamed twice in recent memory, and finally destroyed the Fourth World with the help of the ALE.
Why is he a black kingpin?

The analogy is simple to me.

ALE = Control of everything.
Kingpin = Control of everything in a certain area.
He destroyed the Fourth World, and as the New Gods are representatives of some such conceptualizations of humanity, the logical place they end up, is the place where they're created, or given manifest.

The black kingpin thing, along with Orion being a boxer, some others being in wheelchairs and just down on their luck, is because Morrison is trying to write them as something else. The New Gods we've seen all these years are mere flesh suits, and change by the tides.

Originally posted by Draco69
Eternity? No. That's the problem here.

Ehi Draco, Uniomni asked Juggy not you.

Oh....Juggy 666 = Draco 69 ?

fakes, fakes, fakes....

i'm sure most of people who voted in the poll Pro-Avatar are fakes....

Originally posted by DevilGoblin
Omega Effect can't even beat Superman.

It was said on panel that the only reason Superman didn't get erased was because he was protected by the Source (the only way the OE won't work).
Superman's durability had nothing to do with not losing to the OE.
And know that by definition of the erasing OE, it only affects material substances (not energy). This is why it can be deflected by HV or other very strong energy.

And another thing. DC tried to explain that DD is immune to all energy projection (in his second battle with the Radiant). I assume when he lost to the Radiant and came back to life that he evolved to tap energy from the Source. Either that or he instantly evolved to tap energy from the Source the moment the OE struck him. The latter makes him very scary indeed.

Originally posted by UniOmni
No.

David Craccelker.

Juggernaut, do you honestly believe that Darkseid is a character on the level of Eternity?
What are you talking about? I never said anything like that.
Jack Kirby said something about him being around Galactus's level.

Originally posted by UniOmni
I'm not saying that Loebs canon supercedes everything else.

What i'm saying, is that it has to be weighed in, unless a change is written in, ie a retcon.

Canon showings make up the continuity strand. Thats what continuity is.

Darkseid has always been more powerful than Superman clearly, until Apok Now where he stated that Superman had grown stronger, and Superman proved it by reflecting the OE.
A shitty comic, full of wank and stroking but it happened and stands in continuity.

And for the record, Darkseid has been an above the top tier brick with glorified laser beams for a long time now. ITs not merely Loeb not doing his homework. ITs many writers not caring. Sad but it happens.

I'd think after the events of IC, its clear that the multiverse isn't fine. MAtter of fact, DC hasn't had an official multiverse for decades.

And for the continuity thing again, its foolish to pick and choose what showings count, when all happen within a canon comic. Picking and choosing is what Nvr does.

There's a difference between picking and choosing canon feats that don't make a heap of sense, have to do with the character's history and continuity and picking and choosing feats that clearly do.

If you want to use bullsh** low-end feats or bad writing on this forum as debating evidence be my guest.

The rest of us? Don't. We use high to middle end feats that match the character's powerset and history.

We disregard crappy writing. If you want to use crappy writing, than allow us to hand you some moist towelettes....

This isn't SHC, UniOmni....

Originally posted by UniOmni
As a fan of Thor, the bullet thing pisses me off, but it happens and must be weighed upon.


Waitaminute. You're going to "weigh" in Thor's ability to be hurt by bullets....despite him surviving nearly anything that has come towards his path? Like a cobalt bomb exploding near his ankles?

It bears no weight whatsoever. Thor is bulletproof. You're going to accept that Thor ISN'T bulletproof because of one or two crappy showings of Thor NOT being bulletproof?

That's poor logic. We don't think like that. The majority of Thor's feats show that he's bulletproof and moreso. But you accept very lowend feats as acceptable?

In your mind, clearly, low-end feats with characters clearly have more "weight" on the scales than high-end, mid-tier feats.




Originally posted by UniOmni
Darkseid was shamed twice in recent memory,

TWICE?! My god. You're RIGHT! Let's completely disregard his dozens of other showings to suggest that these two showings are bullcrap and use them as acceptable canonical reference! What was I thinking?

Again. We don't think like that. Two bad showings that are crappy in writing have no bearing if the character has DOZENS of good showings that properly reflect his character.


Originally posted by UniOmni
and finally destroyed the Fourth World with the help of the ALE.
Why is he a black kingpin?

The analogy is simple to me.

ALE = Control of everything.
Kingpin = Control of everything in a certain area.
He destroyed the Fourth World, and as the New Gods are representatives of some such conceptualizations of humanity, the logical place they end up, is the place where they're created, or given manifest.

The black kingpin thing, along with Orion being a boxer, some others being in wheelchairs and just down on their luck, is because Morrison is trying to write them as something else. The New Gods we've seen all these years are mere flesh suits, and change by the tides.

And you're missing the point....

The Anti-Life Equation erases free-will and allows complete and utter dominance over persons he chooses. Like the New Gods. It's a glorified mind-control. The New Gods have forgotten who they are and Darkseid has erased all will from them so they only 'live for Darkseid".

It's more than a metaphorical prose. It's clearly showing that Darkseid has changed his avatar to suit his new needs and desires for power.

You haven't answered the question. You just skipped around it and alluded to the painfully obvious metaphorical devices in the characters. That much is all true. But you didn't explain HOW Darkseid turned black.

It's all made VERY clear in the last issue of SSOV. TRUE Darkseid was hovering over his avatar before he shot Mister Miracle with the avatar's version of the "OE".