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Here is a theory Wonder Woman's magic immunity might counter act Classic Juggernauts magical abilites aka Indestrutible powers and Force Field?

Has WW ever fought Captain Marvel or Black Adam if so and they kept their powers that should answer your question.

Not sure.

WW doesn't possess immunity to magic. She's RESISTANT to magic. In other words, a thunderbolt from Zeus or a magical bolt from Doctor Strange wouldn't hurt her very much as it would anyone else.

Well what about a punch from Juggernaut?

WW's fought Marvel on at least two occasions. One I think she won and the other Marvel won.

Honestly, this thread doesn't make much sense. It's not like Juggernaut's powers depend on whether or not his opponents are magical- unless you're asking if her magical weapons could affect him, which is possible.

Originally posted by golem370
Well what about a punch from Juggernaut?

It's physical. It's physical attack. There's nothing magical about it....

Originally posted by golem370
Well what about a punch from Juggernaut?

He isnt as strong as Superman and we know she has lived thru superman's worst punches. It has nothing to do with magic if your just talking about a punch. She is highly resistant to smash/lethal trauma.

But he is weak to mind attacks and Magic attacks right?

Juggernaut pretty much over powered Thor so IMO Juggernaut was on his level possibly higher as far as strength goes.

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
He isnt as strong as Superman and we know she has lived thru superman's worst punches. It has nothing to do with magic if your just talking about a punch. She is highly resistant to smash/lethal trauma. He is as strong as Superman if not stronger

Also to golem Cain is supposed to be weak to magical forces but at the same time he has fought some powerful magic users before and done well.

Originally posted by Newjak
He is as strong as Superman if not stronger

Also to golem Cain is supposed to be weak to magical forces but at the same time he has fought some powerful magic users before and done well. \

You have got to be kidding. The juggernaut has NEVER been as strong as Superman or THOR. His true power comes from his invulnerability and his forward unstoppable motion which is not his strength. NEVER has juggs been stronger than Superman.

Classic Juggernaut is in Thor's strength level and maybe above.

To say that is nonsense since they have never fought.

Originally posted by golem370
Classic Juggernaut is in Thor's strength level and maybe above.

No. He isn't.

THINK.

Let's say Rogue gets the Gem and her strength remains the same. She's totally invulnerable and totally unstoppable. Could she beat the living crap out of Thor if Thor decided to be stupid and just physically attack her? Yes.

Juggs doesn't have ANY feats that indicate he can lift planetary bodies.


You're confusing his invulnerability and inertia-canceling forcefield as an indication of superstrength....

Originally posted by Draco69
No. He isn't.

THINK.

Let's say Rogue gets the Gem and her strength remains the same. She's totally invulnerable and totally unstoppable. Could she beat the living crap out of Thor if Thor decided to be stupid and just physically attack her? Yes.

Juggs doesn't have ANY feats that indicate he can lift planetary bodies.


You're confusing his invulnerability and inertia-canceling forcefield as an indication of superstrength.... In their second fight Cain comments on how he is at "least" as astrong as Thor.

He says this when he can't lift Thor's hammer. Marvel says Cain has immeasurable strength. Heck one editer said it was unlimited.

Cain is strong

It is written that Classic Juggernaut was Class 100 and that his true level of strength is unrevealed. He put down Thing easily and Colossus easily and Colossus fought Gladiator toe to toe for a little while.

Source Marvel Directory
Strength Level: The Juggernaut possesses Class 100 strength, enabling him to lift (press) over 100 tons. The Juggernaut is said to be unstoppable, and the upper limit to his strength is not known

Cains strength is unlimited, period.

Originally posted by golem370
It is written that Classic Juggernaut was Class 100 and that his true level of strength is unrevealed. He put down Thing easily and Colossus easily and Colossus fought Gladiator toe to toe for a little while.

Source Marvel Directory
Strength Level: The Juggernaut possesses Class 100 strength, enabling him to lift (press) over 100 tons. The Juggernaut is said to be unstoppable, and the upper limit to his strength is not known
So what!! Wonder woman and Superman's upper levels of strength are also unknown. in The cannon JLA vs Avengers Superman says that in his world the dials go up to eleven as he punks thor in three punches. This would mean that even Wonder Woman is stronger than Thor as she is nearly or as strong as superman. The Juggernaut has absolutely nothing to suggest he is stronger than Thor in the slightest, making him weaker than Superman,Thor, and WonderWoman. The only thing that is for certain is that all of these characters have unknown limits.

Cain doesn't really unlimited strength. he's only as strong as Cyttorak makes him. Other than that, he's mainly around Thor-level.

Originally posted by Soujaboy
Cains strength is unlimited, period.

NO it's not. That is the dumbest statement ever.

Originally posted by golem370
Here is a theory Wonder Woman's magic immunity might counter act Classic Juggernauts magical abilites aka Indestrutible powers and Force Field?

Queen Diana is not goin to stop someone who can't.

Juggernaut strength is not unlimited. Marvel says his upper limit is not known (implying there is a limit). And 8th day Juggs was even stronger. Another reason that points that Juggs strength is not unlimited. Most likely, Superman is stronger since it was shown that Juggs was trapped in solid cement and couldn't break out (spiderman trick him) while it is feasible to know that Superman easily could have broken out. So lets just say we don't know what his lifting strength is. But his hitting strength (damage and force of punch) has a limit and can be known (much less than Superman or Thor). The reason he doesn't hit as hard as Superman or Thor is because of his arm speed is much slower. Thus he might be able to push something massive but not able to damage it as much as Superman or Thor can. Thus WW can easily take his punches (even though he will knock her away due to his unstoppability but she will be fine). Plus his fist is bigger, making the punch do even less damage than if it were Superman's size.

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
NO it's not. That is the dumbest statement ever.

It is?

http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e101/Soujaboy/Juggy_vote1.jpg

That editorial was just an opinion. The editorial response went on to say "Only a deluge of your concerned mail will turn the tide of Marvel opinion. Write!"

What this means is, if I were to write a letter saying otherwise to them at the time, I could have swayed them away from that opinion.

The only two times Juggernaut has ever been amped was when Cyttorak specifically amped him. Pretty much all of continuity, however, says that Juggernaut can't call upon more power.

http://img70.imageshack.us/img70/8934/jugssgn3.jpg

http://img70.imageshack.us/img70/972/juggs3fj6.jpg

Originally posted by Accel
That editorial was just an opinion. The editorial response went on to say "Only a deluge of your concerned mail will turn the tide of Marvel opinion. Write!"

What this means is, if I were to write a letter saying otherwise to them at the time, I could have swayed them away from that opinion.

The only two times Juggernaut has ever been amped was when Cyttorak specifically amped him. Pretty much all of continuity, however, says that Juggernaut can't call upon more power.

Anyways.


So what about his fight with D'spyre?

It was cool. Why?

Originally posted by Accel
It was cool. Why?

Did he not call upon power in that issue?

Originally posted by Soujaboy
Did he not call upon power in that issue?
Diana can call upon limitless power if it's just about calling on more power. she's done it waaaaaaay more times than he has.

When he was reduced to a skeleton? No, he went on because of hate.

juggernaut has been described by narration (usually taken as fact) as having unlimited strength. even in his most rescent appearance.


cyttorak says he has unlimited strength and the power to move mountains.


i'd say juggernaut is quite a bit above thor in strength. i believe he can do anything he wants to really (physically). after all he is the exemplar of raw power.


cyttorak didnt amp juggernaut. ever...

Juggernaut only has as much strength sa Cyttorak gives him. He can't summon any mor ethan he already has. He's fairly limited on his own.

When he was Trion Juggernaut, Cyttorak possessed him. When he was 8th Day Juggernaut, he specifically said something made him stronger (most likely Cyttorak).

no, 8th day he was more focused and in trion... a group of people possessed the juggernaut power. it had nothing to do with cyttorak.

8th Day wasn't focused. He was amped. He even said so himself.

http://img201.imageshack.us/img201/7990/juggernautwasupgradedvd7.th.jpg

Trion was possessed by the spirit of Cyttorak, most likely meaning Cyttorak granted him more power.

Lifting giant planet sized serpents >>>> moving mountains

Turning the endless wheels of meggadon(spelling) >>>>>>>> moving mountains

Superman/Thor's strength >>>>>>>> Juggernaut's strength

Thor is not stronger then Classic Juggernaut.

Originally posted by WrathfulDwarf
http://img70.imageshack.us/img70/8934/jugssgn3.jpg

http://img70.imageshack.us/img70/972/juggs3fj6.jpg Oh god are we using this bullshit as credible proof of anything? seriously...that garbage ridden book should stay in the shadows, and personaly pullin pages for scans is rediculous.

In a Thor issue it said Juggernaut was at least as strong as Thor, and Thor had no objections.

Originally posted by KillAll
juggernaut has been described by narration (usually taken as fact) as having unlimited strength. even in his most rescent appearance.


cyttorak says he has unlimited strength and the power to move mountains.


i'd say juggernaut is quite a bit above thor in strength. i believe he can do anything he wants to really (physically). after all he is the exemplar of raw power.


cyttorak didnt amp juggernaut. ever...

There is a thing called hyperbole in comics.
Many writers say things that overexaggerate the scenario.
I've even seen some writers get confused and write typos (or mistakes) trying to write with too much awe. For example, confusing universes with multiverses, etc.
Also know that he doesn't have unlimited strength.
Due to 8th-day Juggernaut being much stronger and the logic that unlimited strength implies no one is stronger. And also the fact that Juggs couldn't break out of the large concrete jail spidey tricked him in.

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
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You have got to be kidding. The juggernaut has NEVER been as strong as Superman or THOR. His true power comes from his invulnerability and his forward unstoppable motion which is not his strength. NEVER has juggs been stronger than Superman.
While he wasent stronger than either (unless a powerup was taking place) Classic Juggernaut was Thor level in strength.

But he was higher level then Thor

Without amping?

No. Cain himself has remarked that he was at his level when his shield was shut down while figthing the Thunder God.

Futhermore i dont see much of the continuity showings suporting that stance, outside that editorial letter, wich on itself doesnt matter much.

Its amazing how some characters know if someone is just as strong as them by fighting them through only punching. Juggernaut must have punch himself in the face to be able to compare Thor's strength with his.
Credibitiy=0 .

He said he was still stronger but Thor was a better fighter and faster. Classic Juggernaut imo is between Thor and Hercules in strength maybe equal to Hercules.

Wizard magazine had a face off with Juggernaut and Lobo where they said Lobo was faster but he could hurt Juggernaut and he couldn't withstand Juggernaut punches that according to Wizard were on the level of Superman.

Originally posted by golem370
He said he was still stronger but Thor was a better fighter and faster. Classic Juggernaut imo is between Thor and Hercules in strength maybe equal to Hercules.
Did you read my post above this?
There is not way for anyone to know if anyone else is stronger or weaker unless they hit themself in the face or has seen a limit on the character.
Thus don't you ever take a character's word for it. Because credibility =0. If a trapped Thor can break out of a pool of solid concrete then clearly he is stronger (since Juggs was unable to). That my friend is the only way to determine who is stronger ( we must see a limit) other than using a handbook.

Juggernaut strength is not unlimited. Marvel says his upper limit is not known (implying there is a limit). And 8th day Juggs was even stronger. Another reason that points that Juggs strength is not unlimited. Most likely, Superman is stronger since it was shown that Juggs was trapped in solid cement and couldn't break out (spiderman trick him) while it is feasible to know that Superman easily could have broken out. So lets just say we don't know what his lifting strength is. But his hitting strength (damage and force of punch) has a limit and can be known (much less than Superman or Thor). The reason he doesn't hit as hard as Superman or Thor is because of his arm speed is much slower. Thus he might be able to push something massive but not able to damage it as much as Superman or Thor can. Thus WW can easily take his punches (even though he will knock her away due to his unstoppability but she will be fine). Plus his fist is bigger, making the punch do even less damage than if it were Superman's size.


Engaging fellow exemplar Stonecuter in a toe-to-toe slugfest,the punches they traded to one another caused earthquakes and was said to be the greatest fury ever unleashed on Earth. --Juggernaut:Eighth Day
Facing the Stranger who'd grown to about 50 feet tall,The Juggernaut lept up and toppled him with one punch --X-Men Forever #6

Stripped to only a fraction of his strength,he still is strong enough to easily choke Rogue with one hand while fending off Colossus with the other. --Marvel Team-Up #150(it was stated in the Marvel Handbook that both Tom and Juggernaut actually had less than a half of The Juggernaut's power as they had assumed)

The Juggernaut nearly drowned the Hulk by forcing Hulk's head underwater. Hulk had to use silt from the riverbed in Juggernaut's eyes to make The Juggernaut release his grip on his neck. --Hulk #402

Despite having suffered a significant power loss,The Juggernaut's diminished might was still enough to lock up with Prime. The Juggernaut is next seen slamming Prime through a wall. --Exiles #4

Tore through a wall 50 times the tensile strength of battleship steel as though it were a "a thin layer of plywood". --Uncanny X-Men #12

Drained of power to the point of emaciation, a sickly Juggernaut was still strong enough to rip off and wield the entire corners of buildings as giant weapons. --Uncanny X-Men #361

Collapsed an entire skyscraper(possibly a World Trade Center tower) with a ram of his shoulder. --Spider-Man #16

After the Hulk had absorbed more radiation making him more powerful than before, The Juggernaut matched him in a direct test of strength. The opposing forces of their grapple threatened to collapse the entire X-Mansion. --World War Hulk:X-Men #3

In a confrontation with Colossus,the first blow Juggernaut connects with ends the fight. Leaving Colossus unconcious when he lands from it. --
Uncanny X-Men #183

The Juggernaut caused the entire X-Mansion to shake and nearly collapse by stomping from all the way at the front gates of the estate. And was said to be using only a fraction of his power to accomplish it. --
Uncanny X-Men #12

sent Thor hurtling across the skies and then through a store wall with a casual backslap. --Thor #411

took the Fantastic Four's Thing down for the count in seconds with just 3 successive blows. Thing would arise,only to fall back down unconscious. --Secret Wars II #7

When fighting an army battalion,The Juggernaut slammed his fists into the ground with such force it created an earthquake that ripped through the entire valley and brought a hill crumbling down on them. --Uncanny X-Men #33

Seeing the success Thor had after he discerned the nature of his power Cain decided that since Mjolnir must be the source of Thor's power that if he got it he would be unbeatable as well as unstoppable. He also was pretty sure that Thor wouldn't give it up willingly so he decides to pick up a stone pillar and beat it out of him(gotta love Juggy's way of doing things). But Cain finds when he goes to lift Mjolnir that he can't even budge it. To him this didn't add up since he knew he was at the very least Thor's equal in strength and Thor lifts it easy. As Mjolnir returned to his hand Thor explains that Mjolnir can only be lifted by those of the right character.

Strength Level:The Juggernaut possesses Class 100 strength,enabling him to lift (press) over 100 tons. The Juggernaut is said to be unstoppable, and the upper limit to his strength is not known. His strength rivals that of the strongest being on Earth,the Incredible Hulk.

I think Marvel would know their characters strength level and based off them he is stronger than Thor and probably stronger than Dc Superman.

Green Mail has stated several times that Juggernaut is atleast as strong as the Hulk if not stronger. Green Mail is a reputable source considering it's a part of Marvel themselves.Here's 1 Green Mail letter on the subject (Don't have the scan of it but, It's from the Incredible Hulk #432 if you want to look for yourself).

A Hulk fan wrote something about how the Hulk has the potential for unlimited strength whereas the Juggernaut doesn't. To this, Green Mail replies: "We checked with our experts here at Marvel, Jimmy, and they say that the Juggernaut has the potential to draw on the limitless power of the mystical energy of Cyttorak! So it is possible for Juggy's strength to increase!"

I also wanted to clear up couple of things by a few posters. Trion Juggernaut was not possessed by Cyttorak, he was possessed by the evil of the Trion. The Evil began to tap into Cyttoraks power enabling Juggernaut to do what he did. The 2nd thing is I'm not all that convinced 8th Day Juggernaut was amped as much as he was able to dig deeper into his exsisting power set. One time even saying "For the first time I really feel like I can cut loose" or something to that nature. 8th Day Juggernaut never did anything Classic Juggs wasn't fully capable of.

Originally posted by big juggy man
Juggernaut strength is not unlimited. Marvel says his upper limit is not known (implying there is a limit). And 8th day Juggs was even stronger. Another reason that points that Juggs strength is not unlimited. Most likely, Superman is stronger since it was shown that Juggs was trapped in solid cement and couldn't break out (spiderman trick him) while it is feasible to know that Superman easily could have broken out. So lets just say we don't know what his lifting strength is. But his hitting strength (damage and force of punch) has a limit and can be known (much less than Superman or Thor). The reason he doesn't hit as hard as Superman or Thor is because of his arm speed is much slower. Thus he might be able to push something massive but not able to damage it as much as Superman or Thor can. Thus WW can easily take his punches (even though he will knock her away due to his unstoppability but she will be fine). Plus his fist is bigger, making the punch do even less damage than if it were Superman's size.


Engaging fellow exemplar Stonecuter in a toe-to-toe slugfest,the punches they traded to one another caused earthquakes and was said to be the greatest fury ever unleashed on Earth. --Juggernaut:Eighth Day
Facing the Stranger who'd grown to about 50 feet tall,The Juggernaut lept up and toppled him with one punch --X-Men Forever #6

Stripped to only a fraction of his strength,he still is strong enough to easily choke Rogue with one hand while fending off Colossus with the other. --Marvel Team-Up #150(it was stated in the Marvel Handbook that both Tom and Juggernaut actually had less than a half of The Juggernaut's power as they had assumed)

The Juggernaut nearly drowned the Hulk by forcing Hulk's head underwater. Hulk had to use silt from the riverbed in Juggernaut's eyes to make The Juggernaut release his grip on his neck. --Hulk #402

Despite having suffered a significant power loss,The Juggernaut's diminished might was still enough to lock up with Prime. The Juggernaut is next seen slamming Prime through a wall. --Exiles #4

Tore through a wall 50 times the tensile strength of battleship steel as though it were a "a thin layer of plywood". --Uncanny X-Men #12

Drained of power to the point of emaciation, a sickly Juggernaut was still strong enough to rip off and wield the entire corners of buildings as giant weapons. --Uncanny X-Men #361

Collapsed an entire skyscraper(possibly a World Trade Center tower) with a ram of his shoulder. --Spider-Man #16

After the Hulk had absorbed more radiation making him more powerful than before, The Juggernaut matched him in a direct test of strength. The opposing forces of their grapple threatened to collapse the entire X-Mansion. --World War Hulk:X-Men #3

In a confrontation with Colossus,the first blow Juggernaut connects with ends the fight. Leaving Colossus unconcious when he lands from it. --
Uncanny X-Men #183

The Juggernaut caused the entire X-Mansion to shake and nearly collapse by stomping from all the way at the front gates of the estate. And was said to be using only a fraction of his power to accomplish it. --
Uncanny X-Men #12

sent Thor hurtling across the skies and then through a store wall with a casual backslap. --Thor #411

took the Fantastic Four's Thing down for the count in seconds with just 3 successive blows. Thing would arise,only to fall back down unconscious. --Secret Wars II #7

When fighting an army battalion,The Juggernaut slammed his fists into the ground with such force it created an earthquake that ripped through the entire valley and brought a hill crumbling down on them. --Uncanny X-Men #33

Seeing the success Thor had after he discerned the nature of his power Cain decided that since Mjolnir must be the source of Thor's power that if he got it he would be unbeatable as well as unstoppable. He also was pretty sure that Thor wouldn't give it up willingly so he decides to pick up a stone pillar and beat it out of him(gotta love Juggy's way of doing things). But Cain finds when he goes to lift Mjolnir that he can't even budge it. To him this didn't add up since he knew he was at the very least Thor's equal in strength and Thor lifts it easy. As Mjolnir returned to his hand Thor explains that Mjolnir can only be lifted by those of the right character.

Strength Level:The Juggernaut possesses Class 100 strength,enabling him to lift (press) over 100 tons. The Juggernaut is said to be unstoppable, and the upper limit to his strength is not known. His strength rivals that of the strongest being on Earth,the Incredible Hulk.

I think Marvel would know their characters strength level and based off them he is stronger than Thor and probably stronger than Dc Superman.
All of those feats juggernaut did could be replicated by Superman. And as for knocking Colossus out, I'd wager being absolutely invulnerable makes one's fist hurt a whole lot. I dont' see him being stronger than superman. not even close.

Originally posted by h1a8
If a trapped Thor can break out of a pool of solid concrete then clearly he is stronger (since Juggs was unable to).

Juggernaut could shrug his way out of a cocoon of hardened steel (Thor 412) but not concrete?

The trick that Spider-Man played on him had him walk into a building foundation while the cement was wet. He sank and couldn't really smash his way out. IIRC Juggernaut actually commented later that he had to wait for the cement to dry before he could break free (b/c he doesn't need to breath or eat). Lame, yes, but there's the facts.

It's hard to say how strong Juggernaut is unless we seem him reach some limit when attempting a feat of strength, which we haven't really seen. Given that the Marvel writers themselves say his limit is unknown, that he can potentially draw on 'limitless' power, and that he can increase his strength (and has been seen to do so in some of his forms) etc nobody can say for sure. It's just speculation or opinion at this point.

Regardless, we've seen this fight done before. Juggs is too slow, and WW can't hurt him. So it's stalemate with a possibility of battlefield removal of Juggs, unless WW is stupid enough to let him get his hands on her.

Basilisk i just gave you a list of feats Juggernaut accomplished.Do you need more because i can give you more.

Regardless, we've seen this fight done before. Juggs is too slow, and WW can't hurt him. So it's stalemate with a possibility of battlefield removal of Juggs, unless WW is stupid enough to let him get his hands on her.

If Juggernaut can land punches on Wolverine who is pretty agile,Venon,He grabbed Spiderman and walk with him in a bear hug through a building and he can also land punches on Thor and countless other fighters who were suppose to move at superhuman speeds so apparently he can punch pretty fast.He can run fast though and we don't know if he is agile or not since there is no need for him to dodge any attack since they can't really hurt him. Besides in the Marvel vs Dc cross over i believe he fought with WonderWoman for a bit and was able to land some blows so he can't be that slow.

uhh kinda old thread... but

http://i104.photobucket.com/albums/m179/Ptr_Grifin/Juggy_vote1.jpg

yeah that may be old but its from Classic jugg times