Why didnt Dooku betray Sidious back ?

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Count Makashi
I don't know if this was done before, if it was i apologize.

Why didn't Dooku betray Sidious when he was defeated by Anakin, when Sidious says God Anakin god. Kill him, kill him naw, why didn'tDooku say to Anakin that that the chancellor was a Sith lord(not to beg for his life, just to betray Sidious-it is the sith way).
In my opinion Dooku started out good, but was seduced by the dark side, he believed that Sidious was going to create a better society.
He thought the republic was to weak and corrupt and the jedi betrayedthemselves serving such institutions.
I think he didn't say anything, because he thought if he told Anakin he could kill Sidious and everything would be back to as it was before, the corrupt republic, not protecting its people.( not that Sidious was a better choice, Dooku just thought he was).

Your thoughts

Ushgarak
Certainly something that surprised me, yes, I would hae been tempoted to blab everything. What's to lose?

So possibly the most credible reason is that he suspected Anakin might be Sidious' downfall anyway.

queeq

vintageSW77
the above plus i think he was in shock
not only had he been defeated he was also minus both hands AND his master had ordered his death
after a min for that to sink in he could have said something but by that time his head was bouncing off the floor

vintageSW77
forgive me if ive missed something in AOTC or ROTS but does Dooku every say that he knows Palpatine is Sideous

i know the war is orchestrated etc but i always found it a little confusing as i dont recall Dooku saying anything or appearing with Palps just references to a dark lord and master

if ive missed something form a que to kick my arse

queeq
I think he knew... the end of AOTC they seem pretty close.

Delta 62
Yeah Dooku knew the Chancellor's true identity, but i think i read somewhere that Dooku joined Sidious purely for political reasons, and so maybe he didn't really see a point in betraying him...but yeah, I'm sure shock was the main reason. Before Obi and Anakin reached the chamber, Sidious told him that he'd interfere if somehow Anakin got the upperhand..he sure wasn't expecting him to say "Kill him."

Alliance
Dooku was too prideful to think he could have been betrayed. He didn't know what to say.

And it would have advanced the plot too quickly.

Count Makashi
But when Chancellor says Kill him, kill him now, he knows he was betrayed, even his last thought was treachery was the way of the sith)

Alliance
if you plagarize the novel, at least put it in quotes.

He was too prideful to anticipate and too stunned to actually do anything in the 5 seconds before he was killed.

queeq
OKay... that's settled then.

vintageSW77
Originally posted by queeq
I think he knew... the end of AOTC they seem pretty close.

but isnt that a rendevous with Sideous in an old abandoned building and not with Palpatine ??
there is no referance i believe in the movies where its indicated that Dooku knows Palpatine is Sideous

theres only this :
COUNT DOOKU: The truth. What if I told you that the
Republic was now under the control of the Dark Lords of the
Sith

this is not an obvious a referance to Palpatine because if it was Obi Wan would have told the Jedi Council and they would have confronted Palpatine at the end of AOTC

so to the casual viewer without any knowledge of SW it appears that Dooko doesnt know Palpatine is Sideous
maybe its in the novels but then again Anakin has a sleepover with the sandpeople in TPM and Kit Fistos smiling head ends up on Palpatines table in the ROTS novel so they arent reliable sources

queeq
Huh?????? That is lamest explanation ever. PALPATINE=SIDIOUS.... So at the end of AOTC Dooku (i.e. Tyrannus) meets Palpatine (i.e. Sidious). It's not like Palpy is such an obscure figure, he's the CHANCELLOR. It's like you meet George Bush in a robe, wouldn't you kinda figure that is him?

And we're not talking about the viewer, but about Dooku.

Count Makashi
Yea, the casual viewer probably doesn't know, but Dooku did know his true identity, when general Grievous captured Palpatine and brought him to the generals flagship the Invisible Hand, Dooku has a talk with Palpatine, who tels him to kill Kenobi and capture Anakin and that he will intervene in case of defeat. Grievous didn't knew Palpatines true identity. Dooku new of Palpatines true identity almost from the beginning he contacted him.

vintageSW77
is the cartoon canon then??
i didnt know
fair enough
i know whos who but maybe Lucas could have abandoned the pointless trip to Chewies planet and actually gone out of his way to film that important scene instead of sticking it on a cartoon that appeared briefly on a kids tv channel leaving us with the lamest reveal in movie history

on the subject of recognition what about Nute and Rune
i know they are bit thick but they fell for it

i know hes a sith and they are big with the black and the menacing stuff but if everyone recognizes the dude with the robe why wear the hood up and talk in a VERY SINISTER VOICE with an Elvis Presley/Billy Idol curled lip

a Phantom Menace who isnt much of a Phantom

Count Makashi
The talk he has with Dooku is from the novel and Nute Gunray and Rune Haako don't know Sidious is Palpatine.

vintageSW77
Originally posted by vintageSW77

on the subject of recognition what about Nute and Rune
i know they are bit thick but they fell for it




mind you they couldnt tell the difference between Keira Knightley and Nat Portman

the t!ts or lack of should have gave the game away for Sabe


as for the novelisation i usually read an SW novel after the movie but after watching ROTS i gave it a miss
its hard to concentrate reading a book when you keep saying "why didnt you put this in George you ****ing idiot" after every turn of the page

queeq
Nute and Rune only see him in hologram.

And about George's choices we could start an entire forum... oh wait, we did. wink

vintageSW77
so they did all their dealings with Sideous via Holorgam contact

they sure had crappy eyesight then and cloth ears then

actually i dont think they have ears Neimodeans

http://i117.photobucket.com/albums/o60/cylob46/sideous20talks20to20the20neimoidian.jpg
maybe they were just thick as ****

Rune: "dont you think that Lord Sideous looks and sounds a bit like a pissed off Senator Palpatine??"
Nute: "dont be ridiculous.....next thing youll be telling me the imprisoned Queen Amidala looks like the chick out of PIRATES OF THE CARRIBEAN!!!!"

Count Makashi
Why, Sidious has a hod ever, you cant see his face completely. Maybe Neimoidians have a different eyesight, not to mention it would ruin the plot if they found out the truth.

vintageSW77
QUOTE - not to mention it would ruin the plot if they found out the truth.




yeah we wouldnt want anyone ruining the plot of The Phantom Menace would we

queeq
No... the best ever... wink

vintageSW77
well i watched The Clone Wars on dvds last night for the first time and found the last 15 mins very exiting which is something i never really got from the PT

i just find it typical of Lucas to put out two movies with a character who is in league with the major villian and not clarify that the character knows the villian has two sides
maybe he should have said something pre decapitation to clear it up

its a bit daft a villian risking the delivery of the Death Star plans with someone who nearly gets wasted by his own "grand army"

Count Makashi
First of AOTC is a very good movie second of he didn't know he would get ambushed in his hangar by Anakin, Obi and Yoda and when was hi in risk from the grand army its not like he couldn't defend himself, he was one of the best, part of the elite of force users and lightsaber dualist.

vintageSW77
AOTC is an average movie and i dont know why Dooku didnt make a more discreet getaway on foot and hide out for a while instead of jumping on a speederbike which may as well have had a big sign saying LOOK ITS ME COUNT DOOKU then leading everyone to his hangar where his ship was.
Its a good job that Yoda was prepared to save the lives of 2 Jedi(yeah i know one of them was "the chosen one"but at that point it was still in doubt) thus putting the galaxy in jepoardy instead of defeating Dooku or else that would have been it for the third film in the movies formerly known as the STAR WARS prequels.

vintageSW77
excuse the grammar i didnt have time to edit
and excuse the nit picking
i just think AOTC and lose all sense of reason

PVS
Originally posted by vintageSW77

i just think AOTC and lose all sense of reason

understandable since most of it was time-wasting cgi filler and crappy dialogue with a couple of decent action scenes. i can honestly say that ill most likely never watch that movie again. its like that godzilla remake from 15 years ago. yeah the effects are cool, and its certainly worth watching once, but once you've seen it there really is no reason to revisit it...ever.

vintageSW77
well there is Natalie Portman in the tight white suit





id never have thought back in 97 that the highlights of the second Star Wars movie would be the chick out of Leon in a tight white suit and Boba Fetts dad pulling a couple of moves

Count Makashi
Say what you want, but i like the PT, only 2 big things bother me, Jar Jar and kid Anakin from TPM.

queeq
Originally posted by vintageSW77
i just think AOTC and lose all sense of reason

So did George Lucas... AOTC is mediocre and obsolete.

Count Makashi
Originally posted by vintageSW77
AOTC is an average movie and i dont know why Dooku didnt make a more discreet getaway on foot and hide out for a while instead of jumping on a speederbike which may as well have had a big sign saying LOOK ITS ME COUNT DOOKU then leading everyone to his hangar where his ship was.
Its a good job that Yoda was prepared to save the lives of 2 Jedi(yeah i know one of them was "the chosen one"but at that point it was still in doubt) thus putting the galaxy in jepoardy instead of defeating Dooku or else that would have been it for the third film in the movies formerly known as the STAR WARS prequels.

He needed to escape as quickly as possible, if he stayed longer, republic space forces could cut of the planet and quarantine it, then he would have no chance of escaping, this way he used the heat of battle as distraction to make his gateway.
Dooku could also strike Yoda when he was helping Anakin and
Obi-Wan.

vintageSW77
your right
i just thought the speeder bike is a bad choice of transport if you wanted to be discreet and protected from attack
maybe thats all that was at hand

Count Makashi
Maybe he thought if he took a speeder bike he wouldn't be spotted, instead of a big escort protecting him, which could be spotted easily and probably he thought the battle on the ground would serve as distraction.
He probably thought republic forces would be to busy fighting to notice him.

queeq
Why did he park his ship so far away anyway? Oh wait, then wouldn't have that wonderfully crappy CGI chase.

Captain REX
In the case of 'not recognizing Palpy as Sids via hologram,' Palpatine was usually always very softspoken and kindly and so on, so nobody would suspect the old man to be a sinister killing machine who ordered the death of millions and so on. Plus, can't see under the hood, I suppose. At least, not with the flickery hologram stuff.

Count Makashi
Originally posted by queeq
Why did he park his ship so far away anyway? Oh wait, then wouldn't have that wonderfully crappy CGI chase.

Yeah, that bothered me too, Gunray had his ship right there at the command center and escaped immediately, but no Dooku had to go to another hangar, just to have the lightsabers duels.

vintageSW77
Originally posted by Captain REX
In the case of 'not recognizing Palpy as Sids via hologram,' Palpatine was usually always very softspoken and kindly and so on, so nobody would suspect the old man to be a sinister killing machine who ordered the death of millions and so on. Plus, can't see under the hood, I suppose. At least, not with the flickery hologram stuff.



the voice is similar when Palpatine speaks loudly in the senate and that chin........dead giveaway
http://i117.photobucket.com/albums/o60/cylob46/ds.jpg

my old TPM Sideous figure is a dead cert for Palps in a hood n all its just a shame we didnt get a good look at him without the hologram in TPM to fully back up my comments........its not one of movie histories greatest disguises is it
its almost on a par with Clark Kent

i guess Maul knew he was Palps too then

Count Makashi
Of course Maul knew Sidious was Palps, he trained him since he was a small child.

vintageSW77
wow i missed that movie/cartoon

was it like Shogun Assassin ??

Count Makashi
Thats from EU.

vintageSW77
ah

ill admit ive enjoyed the odd EU novel in the past
Jedi Academy,Tales from the cantina/jabbas palace but i put them as many do with The Holiday Special as seperate entities to the movies
during my search for the elusive YODA,Sebastian Shaw and Guinness without shimmer pic ive noticed a lot of fans dont even acknowledge the PT let alone EU(ive also noticed a lot of chicks trying unsuccesfuly to pull off the Leia in Bikin look.....yuk!)
i thought i was bad but there is a lot of venom towards GL out there

harsh

Count Makashi
He deserves it because of Jar Jar, kid Anakin, Ewoks and for chainging the music at the end of ROTJ when they are celebrating, for some gay song.

queeq
Of course, but the Coruscant scene with Sidious and Maul and the "Senate bogged down" quote in Maul's presence made pretty clear that Sidious was high up in the Senate. I'm dead sure Maul knew who he was.

Count Makashi
Of course Maul knew, Sidious was very busy as a senator, probably had to spend a lot of time in the senate, despite the fact he took Maul as a little boy, what would he tell him, when he had to do his duty of the senator, hey Maul stay here, i am just going to buy some cigarettes, i will be back in couple of hours.

vintageSW77
maybe i should watch the PT this week as ive forgot lots of stuff that im being reminded of daily in this thread


btw did Maul have a babysitter when Palpatine was off doing stuff with the senate ?
and how much were they on an hour???

Forcewielder
Originally posted by Count Makashi
I don't know if this was done before, if it was i apologize.

Why didn't Dooku betray Sidious when he was defeated by Anakin, when Sidious says God Anakin god. Kill him, kill him naw, why didn'tDooku say to Anakin that that the chancellor was a Sith lord(not to beg for his life, just to betray Sidious-it is the sith way).
In my opinion Dooku started out good, but was seduced by the dark side, he believed that Sidious was going to create a better society.
He thought the republic was to weak and corrupt and the jedi betrayedthemselves serving such institutions.
I think he didn't say anything, because he thought if he told Anakin he could kill Sidious and everything would be back to as it was before, the corrupt republic, not protecting its people.( not that Sidious was a better choice, Dooku just thought he was).

Your thoughts

Even if Dooku told Anakin that Palpatine is a Sith Lord, he knew that Anakin would not believe him especially after he cut off his arm, injured Obi-wan, started the Clone Wars (when it was actually Palpatine that did it), and sending assassians after Padme.

Anakin will kill him quick before Dooku says another bad word about his "friend and mentor", Palpatine.

PiruBlood
maybe dooku was well aware of palps plan. think when palp said kill him dooku had the look then when palp says it again he has that remember the plan look on his face.

Darth Scythe
They had indicated in Dark Rendevous that Dooku was giving thought to giving up the Separatist movement. Even though his meeting with Yoda was supposed to be an ambush, he thought twice about taking Yoda up on his offer to a truce.

queeq
I think Sidious make his apprentices awar of say... 98% of the plan.... The trick is in the 2% he doesn't tell.

Delta 62
I'd be willing to bet that Maul was alone, even as a child, when Sidious went off to play Palpatine. He was probably training or meditating at all times

queeq
Prolly.

vintageSW77
or watching Coruscants equivilent of Cartoon Network with a glass of milk and cookies


or blue milk and cookies for you purists out there

Count Makashi
Originally posted by Forcewielder
Even if Dooku told Anakin that Palpatine is a Sith Lord, he knew that Anakin would not believe him especially after he cut off his arm, injured Obi-wan, started the Clone Wars (when it was actually Palpatine that did it), and sending assassians after Padme.

Anakin will kill him quick before Dooku says another bad word about his "friend and mentor", Palpatine.

But he has nothing to lose, i didn't say that he begs for mercy, if i was in Dooku position and i would knew that Anakin is going to kill me for all the things i done to him, i would at least try to repay Sidious back. Dooku gave Sidious everything and to be repaid like that, i would at least try to repay the favor.

queeq
But Dooku was nobility... he didn't think like that.

chinabing
Ya, a part of me kind of wanted Dooku to say something after he was unhanded. But it happened awfully fast, so it was a pretty good scene... except I hate beheadings in Star Wars movies.

Tangible God
The guy just got his hands chopped off, he's facing possible death, he lost...

Then all of a sudden he hears from his boss, "Kill him, kill him now."

Yeah, his thoughts are going to be clear as crystal.

Darth Scythe
Originally posted by Tangible God
The guy just got his hands chopped off, he's facing possible death, he lost...

Then all of a sudden he hears from his boss, "Kill him, kill him now."

Yeah, his thoughts are going to be clear as crystal.

You're saying yours wouldn't?

j/k

Instinct would at least make you WANT to blurt something out to delay or spare the wrath you were about to face.

Black Dalek
IMO, Dooku was very loyal to Sidious. He was his apprentince and all his loyalties belonged to Sidious.

Then, it came when he lost to Anakin. Sidious asked Anakin to kill Dooku. Look at his face, he was shocked. He was very loyal to Sidious yet he was betrayed. It's obvious that, even for him, that it shocked him enough to not talk. For example, if you get arrested for something you wouldn't do, wouldn't you be in silenced in shock?

Jack Daniels
Originally posted by vintageSW77
or watching Coruscants equivilent of Cartoon Network with a glass of milk and cookies


or blue milk and cookies for you purists out there

I would suggest caution when drinkin the blue milk...lol.....

queeq
I don't think Dooku was silent because he was in shock, it feels more like the nobilty when they got guillotined during the French Revolution. You can show the people how a king... count... dies.

Tangible God
Originally posted by Darth Scythe
You're saying yours wouldn't?

j/k

Instinct would at least make you WANT to blurt something out to delay or spare the wrath you were about to face. Instinct for the average Joe would make him yell out in pain, and beg for mercy.

Dooku ain't Joe. He's got stronger character than that. In the 7 seconds between Palpatine's order, and Anakin's slicing, even Dooku will be wondering, "WTF's goin' on?"

queeq
He knew.

Tangible God
Or rather, "What should I do?"

queeq
You're not nobility.

vintageSW77
so i guess he didnt soil himself either
thats nice to know

Count Makashi
He was nobility, but he was also a Sith Lord, seduced by the Dark side, all that charm and elegance, was just an act, when he was Sith Lord, he was evil, manipulating and ruthless. He authorized use of biological weapon on innocent civilians, he believed, that he was doing god, but i think in his hart he knew what he has become.
And he knew what was going on, he had a talk with Sidious, before the fight and Sidious said he would intervene in case of defeat.

vintageSW77
so maybe he DID soil himself

queeq
Prolly, according to Makashi.

the Dark Side doesn't change everything in a man like Dooku. Otherwise all Sith are identical, same character.

Count Makashi

Tangible God
Originally posted by queeq
You're not nobility. Yuh-huh.

Darth Scythe
Maybe by not saying anything Dooku just showed how thuggish and from the hood he was. Snitching above everything else is the most looked down upon thing anyone can do in the streets.

Pour out some liquor for the thuggest Jedi ever, Dooku the O.G.

overlord
Dooku: "HEY ANAKIN, SIDIOUS IS SITH LORD, HE SET ME UP, WE WERE GONNA CONVERT YOU BUT HE IS LIE, WE SET UP TWO ARMIES TOGETHER SO HE CAN RISE TO POWER, YODA IS ACTUALLY CHEWBACCAS SISTER, SIDIOUS WILL KILL....BLARGH!!! I'M DED"

Anakin: "stfu n00b"

Jack Daniels
dooku had gas.......fart3

queeq
And I thought the film projector was broken...

Forcewielder
Originally posted by Count Makashi
But he has nothing to lose, i didn't say that he begs for mercy, if i was in Dooku position and i would knew that Anakin is going to kill me for all the things i done to him, i would at least try to repay Sidious back. Dooku gave Sidious everything and to be repaid like that, i would at least try to repay the favor.

But why bother? If you were in Anakin's position and you heard Dooku say that Palpatine's a Sith Lord, would you believe him? I wouldn't especially after he cut off my arm and caused me and my friends alot of trouble.

Any more talk from Dooku would piss off Anakin enough to kill him.

queeq
Yup... and he did.

yettoh
he knew palp was evil in aotc he says sumet to obi one like the repuplic is under the control of a dark lord of the sith

chinabing
I do think Dooku shoulda opened his mouth... say anything at that moment to save yer head!

queeq
Nope. Not the nobleman's way.

overlord
I agree, he should have screamed out the whole story while crying and saying it isn't fun anymore. He'd still get his head torn off though.

Count Makashi
Dooku doesn't cry, he is tough.

queeq
Originally posted by overlord
I agree, he should have screamed out the whole story while crying and saying it isn't fun anymore. He'd still get his head torn off though.

Would have been quite a scene. "Oh! You're no fun anymore!"

chinabing
Originally posted by overlord
I agree, he should have screamed out the whole story while crying and saying it isn't fun anymore. He'd still get his head torn off though.

Naaaaah. You don't know that.

Dooku: "Wait! Anakin, don't. Palpatine is darth sidious. Join me, and together, we can destroy the Sith!"

EjkoUSC
I think Dooku was himself first and Sith lord second.

The Sith have a history of trying to back stab one another. And the truth is, Dooku ALREADY DID try to betray Sidious in Episode II. The entire crux of the villain's plot for the entire prequel trilogy was spilled by Dooku to Obi-Wan in AOTC. Obi-Wan and Yoda waved it off as if Dooku just said it to mess with their heads.

What idiots.

This is a fault on Lucas's part. He made the good guys MORONS. The dude just told them the ENTIRE TRUTH about what was going on and his tip-off went disregarded. Rather than acknowledge this blunder, the characters just mosey along to Episode III, somehow miraculously aware that the Sith lord is in a high seat in the Senate (without kicking themselves for not listening to Dooku, mind you).

Dooku wasn't trying to lure Obi-Wan to the Sith. I think Dooku is intelligent and ambitious enough to have his own plans for the galaxy. He joins the Sith because tactically he knows Sidious has a darn good plan. He also knows that tactically Sidious NEEDS Dooku's political connections and prestige to gain support (Darth Maul was a mindless beast, a nobody). And when the time comes Dooku intends to pull the rug out from under Sidious.

Dooku doesn't want to DESTROY the Jedi. He will if they remain ignorant to change. But we know he'd rather re-structure them than destroy them. He could use a guy like Obi-Wan to shake the Order up. Obi-Wan's a perpetual grandson to him.

It really was a matter of who betrays who first? Dooku flirted with it in Episode II but his strokes weren't bold enough. Sidious did it to Dooku first.

Just think of how easy it could have been for Dooku to oust Sidious. If Dooku is the public leader and face of the Seperatists, and if the Seperatists win the War, at the end of the Day no one knows who Sith lord Darth Sidious was in the first place. If Dooku could have destroyed Palpatine he would have not only destroyed the Republic but would have also exhonerated himself of Sidious.

I think Dooku's FINAL OBJECTIVE (as intended) was to truly establish a new government commited to Totalitarian Capitalism. For the Jedi to be more free in their lifestyle and to not have to necesarily serve the government (hence the rebellious and liberal streak). Only question is, how on Earth does one overthrow the Republic? Enter Sidious, a man who seems to have similar ideals (No mention of an Empire or of the Confederacy being a smoke screen for it) and better yet, Sidious has just been friggin elected Chancellor. Dooku has met the ultimate collaborator. He will "be Tyrannus" so long as he can get this plan in motion. He's using Sidious to get his Confederacy. Sidious is using him to get his Empire. The prevailing issue is who can exhaust the use of the other first? Obviously Sidious was just a little more prepared.

Consider it logical reasoning. Consider it fan fiction. Consider it the most interesting and best angle to see it from. Eitherways its George's fault for making people like us have to think aloud about his character's motivations. What a writer.

EjkoUSC
Also on the issue of Dooku's lightsabre fight in Episode III

Assuming the novel is not cannon, if you just watch Episode III's fight as it plays out, there's no reason to believe that Dooku had any plans for Anakin. From Dooku's point of view, his master simply told him "Hey come kidnap me, Palpatine. It'll be the grand culmination of the Seperatist Campaign. Finally the Republic will die and we the Seperatists will win."

All Obi-Wan and Anakin do is show up to stop him. Dooku defends himself from both and loses. Nothing more complicated. No luring Anakin to the Dark Side. Just some fighting. That's why he's completely blindsided by Palpatine's order for Anakin to kill him off. He's shocked. Now he sees it for what it was. Not just the kidnapping or the invasion, but the entire war. Why doesn't he blab the truth to Anakin? Cause the dude's probably in shock. Putting it all together.

Dooku's worn out his use. The war is almost over. Palpatine can pull the plug on the Seperatist army at any time. And he's strained the Republic enough to turn it into the Empire. He's got the Senate. His only remaining threat is the Jedi. So Anakin by now is tactically a better apprentice. He can destroy the Jedi from the inside.

Its all the same down the road when Vader wears out his welcome. By then the Rebellion is Palpatine's greatest threat. Strategically Luke is in a better position than Vader to destroy the Rebellion since he's their poster boy.

Its the way it was with Maul. Even if Maul would have survived you better believe Sidious would have taken him to the matresses. Maul was a hitman, muscle, a terrorist. On to the heavier politics. not Maul's bag. He needs a Dooku type of person. If Maul had survived, dont you think Sidious would have sent a little telegram to Dooku giving him the chance to curb stomp the guy that killed his best friend, Qui-Gon? Live or die, Maul was a dead man.

queeq
THe novel IS canon.

overlord
Originally posted by chinabing
Naaaaah. You don't know that.

Dooku: "Wait! Anakin, don't. Palpatine is darth sidious. Join me, and together, we can destroy the Sith!" Palpatine would have easily convinced Anakin that that would be a trick. Remember that up to the point of Dooku's death there was no actual indication of Palpatine being the second sith of TPM. Anakin also probably assumed it was Dooku all along who was the master.

EjkoUSC
If the Novel is Canon then how does one explain the consistant inconsistancies between not only the novel and the movie but the novel and other literature? Whose to say the novel is more canon than the Clone Wars cartoons?

Owen was Obi-Wan's brother in the novel. Is that canon too? Its a novel afterall.

The novel is written based off of the original shooting script which as we know changes throughout production and post-production. Lucas has up till release to change his film (yes even basic story elements). The novel has to be finished far in advance of that (just like the toys) to meet its own release. The only hope is that it still resembles the movie in some regard. The novel is not canon. None of the expanded universe is canon. None of it. Its just extra fun and games. Lucas said so himself. Anything he puts in the movies is the final say. He does not tiptoe around what the EU tries to "establish".

queeq
Originally posted by EjkoUSC
If the Novel is Canon then how does one explain the consistant inconsistancies between not only the novel and the movie but the novel and other literature? Whose to say the novel is more canon than the Clone Wars cartoons?

We don't explain them. And that is what is canon... Lucas, the Maker says so.

EjkoUSC
Lucas the Maker says the opposite actually.

queeq
I doubt it. It's the films, the novels of the films and (to a lesser extent) the radioplays of the movies. That is canon.

Darth Bula
Dooku was pretty sure Anakin was too much of a Jedi to kill a defenceless person. He didn't betray Sidious as he presumed Sidious would arrange his release from custody at a later date. I think that's why he played along.

The real question for me: what did Dooku think the trap was actually meant to be...

I feel he was biding his time, learning dark side powers and waiting for the opportune moment to overthrow Sidious. A proud person would not be happy to be used as mere bait.

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