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Which heroes can you think of, that are flatout more powerful than classic Surfer?

No special versions please, like Ion or Parallax or Superman Prime.

I'll call Dr. Fate and Dr.Strange, just to force the mind to work...

Runner has done it

Yuki would kill him (but she is basicly an abstract)

Sundipped Superman

Morg w/ waters of life

Skyfathers

Originally posted by UniOmni
Which heroes can you think of, that are flatout more powerful than classic Surfer?

No special versions please, like Ion or Parallax or Superman Prime.

I'll call Dr. Fate and Dr.Strange, just to force the mind to work... Phantom Stranger.
Spectre (in some cases, those cases being him as a hero).
Batman.
Still thinking...

Originally posted by bigbran

Batman.

Phoenix
Sentry
Warlock
Starhawk

(i'm having a brain fart after that)

No version of Supes would win. Still too easy for Surfer to exploit his weaknesses via different-waved energy blasts.

Morg's also out because the thread says "heroes"

Maybe Majestic though. He's Supes minus any tangible weakness.

So, those who could possibly beat him:

Majestic
Strange
Fate
Sentry
Thor
Sentinel (Alan Scott)
Kyle
Hal
Warlock

...most of those could go either way depending on the circumstances.

Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
Runner has done it

Sundipped Superman

Morg w/ waters of life

Skyfathers Runner is not a hero.

Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
Sundipped Superman

Morg w/ waters of life Did you even read the opening post?

Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
Skyfathers Since when were they heroes?
Odin isn't.
Zeus isn't.

http://www.freehomepages.com/sailorearth/Eternal_Sailor_Moon.jpg

Originally posted by bigbran
Runner is not a hero.

Did you even read the opening post?

Since when were they heroes?
Odin isn't.
Zeus isn't.

srug

Originally posted by Draco69
http://www.freehomepages.com/sailorearth/Eternal_Sailor_Moon.jpg

Even my answers were better than that.

Originally posted by bigbran
Phantom Stranger.
Spectre (in some cases, those cases being him as a hero).
Batman.
Still thinking...

I agree with you on batman there

Originally posted by DigiMark007


So, those who could possibly beat him:

Majestic
Strange
Fate
Sentry
Thor
Sentinel (Alan Scott)
Kyle
Hal
Warlock


The thread starter asked who was straight-up more powerful. The Surfer would likely take a majority over most of the characters you mentioned.

Originally posted by Soljer
The thread starter asked who was straight-up more powerful. The Surfer would likely take a majority over most of the characters you mentioned.

Except Strange, Kyle(Maybe), Allen Scott, and Thor.

Originally posted by Soljer
The thread starter asked who was straight-up more powerful. The Surfer would likely take a majority over most of the characters you mentioned.

True, but I said as much in my post.

It's hard because once you get into "4/10, 7/10" etc. scenarios, there's so much difference of opinion that it's hard to say. My list would be very different from many others.

So yeah, a lot of those are close, and they could go either way. But trying to weed it down more than that would be difficult, at best.

Originally posted by Soujaboy
Except Strange, Kyle(Maybe), Allen Scott, and Thor.

The Green Lanterns are iffy. Strange is a definite no. But Surfer takes Thor for a majority.

That is, unless he is written at the weakest he's EVER been in his ENTIRE run of comics.

Originally posted by Soljer
The Green Lanterns are iffy. Strange is a definite no. But Surfer takes Thor for a majority.

That is, unless he is written at the weakest he's EVER been in his ENTIRE run of comics.

Don't think so.

Unless he's written how he's normaly portrayed, like he is MOST times when they fight.

Umm did anyone notice the ">>"?

That means, not just a close fight, but people who are over Surfer without a debate.
Or people who just won't admit that Surfer beats Thor.

Originally posted by bigbran
Umm did anyone notice the ">>"?

That means, not just a close fight, but people who are over Surfer without a debate.
Or people who just won't admit that Thor beats Surfer.

Sentry
Hal Jordan
Superman
Doomsday (from Gog wars, he can be considered a heroe since he helped Superman, it basically the same DD not a special version :P))
Dr. Strange
Dr. Fate
Xavier
Martian Manhunter (very underestimated)
Captain Universe (Spider-Man)

Originally posted by Batman-Prime
Sentry
Hal Jordan
Superman
Doomsday (from Gog wars, he can be considered a heroe since he helped Superman, it basically the same DD not a special version :P))
Dr. Strange
Dr. Fate
Xavier
Martian Manhunter (very underestimated)
Captain Universe (Spider-Man) I'm not even going to adress this... but really... Xavier?

Originally posted by bigbran
I'm not even going to adress this... but really... Xavier?

Yes, I think he isn't portrayed very well by Marvel, I read some X-Man comics when I was younger and he did pretty well against Dark Phoenix.

Superman Prime
The Doctor
Dr. Strange
Dr. Fate
Phantom Stranger

Hehe....damn. How did I forget my boy?

Yeah, Big D (written well) owns him.

Originally posted by Batman-Prime
Yes, I think he isn't portrayed very well by Marvel, I read some X-Man comics when I was younger and he did pretty well against Dark Phoenix.

Originally posted by tjcoady
Superman Prime Did you read the first post?

strange
amazo
thor
supes
pheonix
kyle
flash
fate
captain marvel (shazam)

Originally posted by Batman-Prime
Sentry




Originally posted by Batman-Prime
Hal Jordan

Originally posted by Batman-Prime

Superman

Originally posted by Batman-Prime
Doomsday

Originally posted by Batman-Prime
Xavier

Originally posted by Batman-Prime
Martian Manhunter

Originally posted by Batman-Prime
Captain Universe (Spider-Man)

Any questions?

Originally posted by Jax_Jax

supes


Originally posted by Jax_Jax
thor
Originally posted by Jax_Jax
kyle

Originally posted by Jax_Jax

flash

Originally posted by Jax_Jax
captain marvel (shazam)
Only if you mean the wizard.

Originally posted by Soljer
Any questions?

Yeah

Are you going to post a list of your own or just explain how everyone else is wrong?

Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
Yeah

Are you going to post a list of your own or just explain how everyone else is wrong?

The forum is made for debate. What are we supposed to do if someone posts "Rhino, 10/10"?

Meh.

The Doctor.
Doc Strange.
Doc Fate.
Thanos (He's pseudo-hero).
Sentry might be.
All the major Lanterns are close, but DEFINITELY not '>>.'
The Runner was, but I have no idea how they'd fare against one another currently.

Originally posted by UniOmni
Which heroes can you think of, that are flatout more powerful than classic Surfer?

No special versions please, like Ion or Parallax or Superman Prime.

I'll call Dr. Fate and Dr.Strange, just to force the mind to work...

Its simple. Noble Kale with the MOP

Originally posted by Soljer
The forum is made for debate. What are we supposed to do if someone posts "Rhino, 10/10"?

Meh.

The Doctor.
Doc Strange.
Doc Fate.
Thanos (He's pseudo-hero).
Sentry might be.
All the major Lanterns are close, but DEFINITELY not '>>.'
The Runner was, but I have no idea how they'd fare against one another currently.

So Sentry can poteantially defeat Surfer, but Thor can't?

Originally posted by Soujaboy
So Sentry can poteantially defeat Surfer, but Thor can't?

The Sentry can potentially defeat Thor, too, friend. . Via hyperbole, the Sentry is currently one of if not THE most powerful Herald-leveller.

Originally posted by Soujaboy
So Sentry can poteantially defeat Surfer, but Thor can't? You got it.

Originally posted by bigbran
You got it.

Why is that exactly

Adding:

Genis-Vell
The Phoenix
Wanda
King Thor(I'm aware that it specifies 'no particular versions.' Meh. )
Hyperstorm
Captain Britain or Merlin with Excalibur

Originally posted by Soujaboy
Why is that exactly

Originally posted by Soljer
The Sentry can potentially defeat Thor, too, friend. . Via hyperbole, the Sentry is currently one of if not THE most powerful Herald-leveller.

Originally posted by Soljer
The Doctor.
Doc Strange.
Doc Fate.

Apparently all you need to beat Surfer is a PhD.

Originally posted by DigiMark007
Apparently all you need to beat Surfer is a PhD.



Was that a joke about them all being 'Doctors,' or a shot at my picks?

Because, seriously...if the latter....

Originally posted by DigiMark007
Apparently all you need to beat Surfer is a PhD.





Thats quite a superweakness

Originally posted by Soljer


So hyperbole gives him the win over Surfer and Thor?

Originally posted by Soujaboy
So hyperbole gives him the win over Surfer and Thor?

'Potentially.'

I know it's a big word, but you can sound it out, kiddo.

Originally posted by Soljer
Adding:

Genis-Vell
The Phoenix
Wanda
King Thor(I'm aware that it specifies 'no particular versions.' Meh. )
Hyperstorm
Captain Britain or Merlin with Excalibur I thought this thread was supposed to be with heroes?

The only time Wanda really could beat him, was when she was off recreating the universe...

Genis, is more or less equal to Surfer. Unless we have Insane Genis... which is a specific version...

King Thor was anything but a hero.

Hyperstorm was also not a hero.

Originally posted by bigbran
I thought this thread was supposed to be with heroes?

The only time Wanda really could beat him, was when she was off recreating the universe...

Genis, is more or less equal to Surfer. Unless we have Insane Genis... which is a specific version...

King Thor was anything but a hero.

Hyperstorm was also not a hero.

Shush, you. It's hard to think of people that are '>>' Surfer without naming off Skyfathers.

So, instead, I took universal reality warpers (Genis and Wanda, ).

Originally posted by Soljer
'Potentially.'

I know it's a big word, but you can sound it out, kiddo.

So now you disrespect me because I believe Thor can defeat Surfer?

Fallen One

Originally posted by Soujaboy
So now you disrespect me because I believe Thor can defeat Surfer?

Don't assume. Don't put words in my mouth.

Thanks, friend.

Originally posted by Soujaboy
Fallen One

According to?

Originally posted by Soljer
According to?

Well potentially it's possible, at least according to the Nova Corpse.

Originally posted by Soljer
Don't assume. Don't put words in my mouth.

Thanks, friend.

Don't put words in your mouth? You called me "kiddo", which imo is disrespectful.

Originally posted by Soujaboy
Well potentially it's possible, at least according to the Nova Corpse.

The Nova Corpse? Frankie's lifeless body told the Surfer "The Fallen One could kick your ass."

Originally posted by Soujaboy
Don't put words in your mouth? You called me "kiddo", which imo is disrespectful.

Disrespectful? Maybe.

Appropriate? Absolutely.

Originally posted by Soljer
The Nova Corpse? Frankie's lifeless body told the Surfer "The Fallen One could kick your ass."





Nova Corps is what I meant, but I'm sure you already knew that.

Back to the point at hand, Fallen one can potentially defeat Surfer for the majority according to the Nova Corps.

Originally posted by Soljer
Disrespectful? Maybe.

Appropriate? Absolutely.

Appropriate why?

Also, where does the Nova Corps files say that the Fallen one is more powerful than the Silver Surfer?

I don't doubt you, or anything, I just have happened to notice that the Nova Corps have the Fallen one rated as a galactic threat, while the Surfer is a universal one...

Solar Man of the Atom and he would beat him easily.
Vartox easily as he used to kick precrisis supes butt.
Duplcate boy (maybe).

Originally posted by Soljer
Also, where does the Nova Corps files say that the Fallen one is more powerful than the Silver Surfer?

I don't doubt you, or anything, I just have happened to notice that the Nova Corps have the Fallen one rated as a galactic threat, while the Surfer is a universal one...

Tenebrous and Ageis file

"Served at present by the Fallen One, possibly the most powerful of Galactus Heralds"

So back to the point at hand. Fallen One can "potentially" defeat Surfer for the majority.

Originally posted by DigiMark007
Apparently all you need to beat Surfer is a PhD.


Doc samson
Doctor octopus
Dr.Banner

okay

Originally posted by The Libertine
Solar Man of the Atom and he would beat him easily.
Vartox easily as he used to kick precrisis supes butt.
Duplcate boy (maybe).

Oh and Ion!

Originally posted by Soujaboy
Tenebrous and Ageis file

"Served at present by the Fallen One, possibly the most powerful of Galactus Heralds"

So back to the point at hand. Fallen One can "potentially" defeat Surfer for the majority.

You ignore that the very same files state the Surfer is at a higher threat level than the Fallen one.

If the source contradicts itself...what are we left with? Feats? Oh, you certainly don't want to go into that.

What heppened to Soljer?

He got of the computer??? It happens


oh, and Keeper

phoenix
quasar
genis
sentry
warlock
strange
sentinel
fate
ion
psi-lord
thor
spawn


bone claw >> power cosmic

Originally posted by UniOmni
Which heroes can you think of, that are flatout more powerful than classic Surfer?

No special versions please, like Ion or Parallax or Superman Prime.

I'll call Dr. Fate and Dr.Strange, just to force the mind to work...

Genis Vell
Current Flash
Dr Fate
Dr. Strange
Infinity Man
Auron
WaveRider
Takion
Prolly Sentry
Phayla vell with quasar's bands
Shazam
PS
Franklin Richards
and prolly more if I think about it long enough.

Originally posted by DigiMark007
No version of Supes would win. Still too easy for Surfer to exploit his weaknesses via different-waved energy blasts.

Morg's also out because the thread says "heroes"

Maybe Majestic though. He's Supes minus any tangible weakness.

So, those who could possibly beat him:

Majestic
Strange
Fate
Sentry
Thor
Sentinel (Alan Scott)
Kyle
Hal
Warlock

...most of those could go either way depending on the circumstances.

Best list in the whole thread.

Anyone sais wolverine, and I'll kill their first born.....

Thanos via deadly pimpslap.

My list if were including anti heros.

Thanos
Fallen One
Thor
Quasar
Adam Warlock
Hal
Kyle
Allan Scott
Captain Atom
The Keeper
Strange
Fate
Nova(Maybe?)
Runner

Fallen one?
Thor?
Hal?
Kyle?
Allan?
Nova????

Originally posted by Bouboumaster
Fallen one?
Thor?
Hal?
Kyle?
Allan?
Nova????

Fallen One, considering his infinite power reserves can potentially defeat Surfer. He was also speculated by the Nova Corps to be Galactus most powerful herald.

Thor has already defeatd Surfer a couple times, Surfer even stated on panel that Thor is the more powerful of the two.

Nay top tier GL can potentially defeat Surfer.

Current Nova may be able to defeat Surfer.

I don't see why people are often so uncertain at the idea of some of the most impressive GLs ever being able to beat Surfer one-on-one.

they would.

theyre protectors of the universe, and when you got the GG ones like hal and kyle, they can take surfer

Potentially beat the surfer, and pwn him, it's two different thing.

The Surfers biggest problem was his nobility. He never really wants to hurt anyone that bad and therefore he has some low showings. Now that is gone, so he may be an absolute beast. I'd say that the heroes that can take him would be:

Dr. Strange
Dr. Fate
Sentry possibly(would love to see these two battle)

No Flash could ever take the Surfer.

KMC Batman
KMC Wolverine
KMC Flash

They can all destroy Surfer....

Originally posted by Accel
I don't see why people are often so uncertain at the idea of some of the most impressive GLs ever being able to beat Surfer one-on-one.

Its not about who can possibly beat him.

Its about who's flat out more powerful than Surfer.

And to Souja, Surfer has admitted that Mjnollir trumps him, not Thor.

Thor vs Surfer without the hammer, Surfer all day.

Originally posted by tdawg14
The Surfers biggest problem was his nobility. He never really wants to hurt anyone that bad and therefore he has some low showings. Now that is gone, so he may be an absolute beast. I'd say that the heroes that can take him would be:

Dr. Strange
Dr. Fate
Sentry possibly(would love to see these two battle)

No Flash could ever take the Surfer.

A flash that literally IS the speed force could anyday.

Originally posted by Muck101
Anyone sais wolverine, and I'll kill their first born..... wolverine
bring it
boxing

What exactly has Bart done that would put him >>Surfer?

Originally posted by xmarksthespot
What exactly has Bart done that would put him >>Surfer?
He hasn't done much yet. But flash who wasn't the speed force evolved into the uber god flash in Kingdom come. Which has been re established as exisiting. A being who is the speed force is an abstract being. i dont' see surfer beating any abstract lvl being. High lvl or lvl.

An abstract being that doesn't represent something abstract?

Not happening.......Plus, abstract beings don't get merked by above the top tier characters like Gog.

Originally posted by UniOmni
Its not about who can possibly beat him.

Its about who's flat out more powerful than Surfer.

And to Souja, Surfer has admitted that Mjnollir trumps him, not Thor.

Thor vs Surfer without the hammer, Surfer all day.

That would be like saying Thor is superior to Surfer without the power cosmic.

Or Batman is superior to Hal without his ring.

Mjolnir is a part of Thor's character, taking it from him would be like taking away his arm.

Originally posted by DigiMark007
No version of Supes would win. Still too easy for Surfer to exploit his weaknesses via different-waved energy blasts.

Morg's also out because the thread says "heroes"

Maybe Majestic though. He's Supes minus any tangible weakness.

So, those who could possibly beat him:

Majestic
Strange
Fate
Sentry
Thor
Sentinel (Alan Scott)
Kyle
Hal
Warlock

...most of those could go either way depending on the circumstances.

Going by feats, many versions of Superman would defeat SS, a few seconds of sun dipping for superman put him to the level of being able to battle Imperiex.

And you still state that SS could manipulate Supes and exploit his weakness, what exactly is SS going to exploit?

Kyrptonite? Last I checked he was nigh immune to it.

Red sunlight, or draining the solar energy from Superman? Yeah I guess your completely ignoring Supermans massive energy manipulation feats; such as when he with his own power, manipulated the matter and reality of a giant sun eater, and completely changed it.

That is of course, unless you believe SS>A sun eater such as the likes of solaris kind.

Flash wouldn't be able to even hurt the surfer. In fact, Flash would hurt himself.

Originally posted by UniOmni
An abstract being that doesn't represent something abstract?

Not happening.......Plus, abstract beings don't get merked by above the top tier characters like Gog.

How about he represents speed as IN he's IS the speed force. Also Gog is not an above top tier. He's a sky father lvl being.

Originally posted by Soljer
The forum is made for debate. What are we supposed to do if someone posts "Rhino, 10/10"?

That only happened once!

Originally posted by Soujaboy
That would be like saying Thor is superior to Surfer without the power cosmic.

Or Batman is superior to Hal without his ring.

Mjolnir is a part of Thor's character, taking it from him would be like taking away his arm.

I'm just clarifying what you said.

You said Surfer said Thor is more powerful than him.

Surfer said the hammer trumps his power cosmic.

The fact that he specifically mentioned the hammer, tells me that he considers the hammer to be the deciding factor, not the meathead who wields it.

Surfer without the pc is a humanoid pacifist.
Hal without his ring is human.

Thor without the mallet, is still the Thundergod. Not the same.

Thanos. Enough said.

ps: Superman, Wonder Woman and the Green Lanterns are raped by the Surfer.

Originally posted by Bouboumaster
Thanos. Enough said.

ps: Superman, Wonder Woman and the Green Lanterns are raped by the Surfer.

PS, Wave Rider, Auron and Infinity man Rape the Surfer. And Surfer in no way rapes Kyle or Hal or even Kilowog for that matter.

The surfer takes out Superman in 5 seconds via energy absortion, speedblitz, destroy Wonder Woman via planet destroying blast in 10 seconds, takes 30 seconds to recover, take 2 minutes for Kyle, 3 for Hal, and takes 20 second to go take the tea with Galactus.

Originally posted by Bouboumaster
The surfer takes out Superman in 5 seconds via energy absortion, speedblitz, destroy Wonder Woman via planet destroying blast in 10 seconds, takes 30 seconds to recover, take 2 minutes for Kyle, 3 for Hal, and takes 20 second to go take the tea with Galactus.

Try not to be ignrant


Going by feats, many versions of Superman would defeat SS, a few seconds of sun dipping for superman put him to the level of being able to battle Imperiex.

And you still state that SS could manipulate Supes and exploit his weakness, what exactly is SS going to exploit?

Kyrptonite? Last I checked he was nigh immune to it.

Red sunlight, or draining the solar energy from Superman? Yeah I guess your completely ignoring Supermans massive energy manipulation feats; such as when he with his own power, manipulated the matter and reality of a giant sun eater, and completely changed it.

That is of course, unless you believe SS>A sun eater such as the likes of solaris kind.

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
PS, Wave Rider, Auron and Infinity man Rape the Surfer. And Surfer in no way rapes Kyle or Hal or even Kilowog for that matter.

Waverider and Auron definitely take SS. Infinity Man does not. They are fairly even. Probably a split there. Surfer does not rape those GL's but he definitely takes a majority from all three. Supes vs. SS is not a good match for Supes. SS has too many powers at his disposal. Going by powersets, SS>>Superman.

Originally posted by tdawg14
Waverider and Auron definitely take SS. Infinity Man does not. They are fairly even. Probably a split there. Surfer does not rape those GL's but he definitely takes a majority from all three. Supes vs. SS is not a good match for Supes. SS has too many powers at his disposal. Going by powersets, SS>>Superman.

Kyle currently annihilates SS with but a thought.

Hal trumps SS in terms of high end feats, and going by average Feats I give the edge to hal.

Originally posted by Board Walker
Kyle currently annihilates SS with but a thought.

Hal trumps SS in terms of high end feats, and going by average Feats I give the edge to hal.

Kyle as Ion, yes you are correct. But the thread starter said no Ion or Parallax, therefore SS takes both Kyle and Hal for a majority.

Originally posted by tdawg14
Kyle as Ion, yes you are correct. But the thread starter said no Ion or Parallax, therefore SS takes both Kyle and Hal for a majority.

Nay, both Hal and Kyle trump SS when it comes to versatility and raw power.

Hal can create the entire GL corps, JLA, JSU, all simultaniously and effortlesly.

Not too many HEROS can defeat surfer without power ups.
Strange, warlock, thor, and GL hal come to mind that can win a few.

Originally posted by Board Walker
Nay, both Hal and Kyle trump SS when it comes to versatility and raw power.

Hal can create the entire GL corps, JLA, JSU, all simultaniously and effortlesly.

I do not agree with Hal or Kyle surpassing SS with power or versatility. But what is true is that SS>>>Hal or Kyle in durability and speed. One direct hit from SS to either one and they are out.

Originally posted by tdawg14
I do not agree with Hal or Kyle surpassing SS with power or versatility. But what is true is that SS>>>Hal or Kyle in durability and speed. One direct hit from SS to either one and they are out.

Again try not to be ignorant, research before you speak.

In terms of Speed, Hal/Kyle have been shown to go from one end of the universe to the other with but a thought.

Durability? Again do your research, Hal has held the big bang.

Originally posted by Board Walker
Again try not to be ignorant, research before you speak.

In terms of Speed, Hal/Kyle have been shown to go from one end of the universe to the other with but a thought.

Durability? Again do your research, Hal has held the big bang.

But in the SS/GL crossover, Kyle could not contain the energies from the OA battery. He needed a weakened, yes weakened SS to do it. There is no ignorance here. SS>GLs. SS can go so fast that he can go back in time.

Originally posted by tdawg14
But in the SS/GL crossover, Kyle could not contain the energies from the OA battery. He needed a weakened, yes weakened SS to do it. There is no ignorance here. SS>GLs. SS can go so fast that he can go back in time.

You do know that cross over isn't cannon correct?

Secondly, time travel is not going to do anything to Hal or Kyle, GL's can do what ever they will, time travel is as pie to them.

Originally posted by Accel
I don't see why people are often so uncertain at the idea of some of the most impressive GLs ever being able to beat Surfer one-on-one.

A Green Lantern beating the Surfer? Sure. A Green Lantern beating the Surfer for a clear cut majority?

The top tier Lanterns get about five out of ten from the Surfer at best. That's hardly '>>' Surfer.

I agree with Soljer. I can buy that the high-end GLs and Surfer are relatively equal, but I don't think that the GLs have a significant enough lead in power to give them the clear odds this thread is seeking. To say that GLs >>> Surfer seems a bit biased.

Originally posted by Soljer
A Green Lantern beating the Surfer? Sure. A Green Lantern beating the Surfer for a clear cut majority?

The top tier Lanterns get about five out of ten from the Surfer at best. That's hardly '>>' Surfer.

A top tier beating the Surfer? Sure. A top tier lantern beating the Surfer for a clear cut majority?

The top tier Lanterns get about 7-8 out of ten from the Surfer at least.

Originally posted by UniOmni
Which heroes can you think of, that are flatout more powerful than classic Surfer?

No special versions please, like Ion or Parallax or Superman Prime.

I'll call Dr. Fate and Dr.Strange, just to force the mind to work...

Simple. Noble Kale w/MOP. Good nite, noble herald of Galactus

Originally posted by Board Walker
A top tier beating the Surfer? Sure. A top tier lantern beating the Surfer for a clear cut majority?

The top tier Lanterns get about 7-8 out of ten from the Surfer at least. Ah, so biased, then?

Sufer can manipulate contructs
http://photobucket.com/albums/b305/surfistaprateado/CosmicPowersUnlimited05-10.jpg

Sufer Beats All Gl's For a sizeable Majority except John. John would get 3 or 4 wins. Kilowog would Match Surfer. Becuz Wog is already as strong and durable as superman and he is also the third best GL ever. Hal and Kyle however Clearly Trump Surfer in terms of Versatility and power and Feats. Surfer is slightly less than Infinity Man. Surfer beats Superman quite Easily if He knows Superman's Weaknesses. If he doesn't, he loses. He has shown that he is quite subjectible to a good ass beating by hand to hand.

PS. Auron and Wave Rider and Takion and Genis Vell, and Sentry and Dr. Strange and Dr. Fate are all Heroes who would own surfer without much trouble.

Originally posted by Acrosurge
Ah, so biased, then?

As so many have already stated, everyone is biased in each other's eyes, saying SS takes a majority over the top tier GL's, or that the GL's do not have the power or versatility edge, shows your bias.

Originally posted by Priest
Sufer can manipulate contructs
http://photobucket.com/albums/b305/surfistaprateado/CosmicPowersUnlimited05-10.jpg

Constructs by Quasar, not the same as GL's.

GL's can manipulate cosmic energy to a universal level and beyond, I guess Gl's can manipulate SS entire being then.

Originally posted by UniOmni
Which heroes can you think of, that are flatout more powerful than classic Surfer?

No special versions please, like Ion or Parallax or Superman Prime.

I'll call Dr. Fate and Dr.Strange, just to force the mind to work...

straight heroes?

off-hand i'd say none are 'clearly' above him.

could some heroes take 5/10?

thor
strange
fate
sentry (??)
supes 1M (not sure if he's 'special')
GL (top of the line)
supreme
adam warlock
phoenix
the doctor (maybe would have the best chance of beating him for the most wins)
gog (gog wars version -- not a hero though, but imo he'd definitely take ss out)
genis, maybe
quasar


again, most of these guys are in the same class. if we stay in the 'top tier' class of characters ss is at the apex. the guys i mentioned occupy the same territory imo and COULD beat him, some more than others.

Originally posted by Board Walker
As so many have already stated, everyone is biased in each other's eyes, saying SS takes a majority over the top tier GL's, or that the GL's do not have the power or versatility edge, shows your bias. True. Now...

Say it! Say, "I'm biased in favor of the GLs and proud of it!"

Just do it. You'll feel better, I promise!

Originally posted by Acrosurge
True. Now...

Say it! Say, "I'm biased in favor of the GLs and proud of it!"

Just do it. You'll feel better, I promise!

No, because going by feats the GL's have shown they manipulate cosmic energy to a universal level and beyond.

Surfer being faster in speed or reaction times? No.

Gl's have shown they can infinitely up their reaction times, movement speed, power, etc.

Hal has even shown that he can will himself back to life.

Hal has willed and created the entire GL Corps, JLA, JSU, which were more powerful then their actual real counterparts.

Hell Kyle created a Daxamite with a Gl ring.

Originally posted by Board Walker
Constructs by Quasar, not the same as GL's.
GL's can manipulate cosmic energy to a universal level and beyond, I guess Gl's can manipulate SS entire being then.
how are u gonna say that GL's constucts are not the same as Quasar's, and then imply that marvel's cosmic energy is the same as DC's?
Yes Surfer can manipulate the GL's constructs because its a form of energy like Quasars. Surfer to this day never haad problems manipulatting energy.

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
Hell Kyle created a Daxamite with a Gl ring.
that wouldent matter because Surfer can manipulate constucts.

Originally posted by Priest
how are u gonna say that GL's constucts are not the same as Quasar's, and then imply that marvel's cosmic energy is the same as DC's?
Yes Surfer can manipulate the GL's constructs because its a form of energy like Quasars. Surfer to this day never haad problems manipulatting energy.

I just paid attention to your sig. I don't know why anyone is arguing with you about silver surfer.

Originally posted by Priest
that wouldent matter because Surfer can manipulate constucts.
IT wasn't a construct. It was a real person.

Originally posted by Board Walker
No, because going by feats the GL's have shown they manipulate cosmic energy to a universal level and beyond.

Surfer being faster in speed or reaction times? No.

Gl's have shown they can infinitely up their reaction times, movement speed, power, etc.

Hal has even shown that he can will himself back to life.

Hal has willed and created the entire GL Corps, JLA, JSU, which were more powerful then their actual real counterparts. So you claim that everyone has bias except you??? Oh, just say it! You'll feel ever so much better.

As Soljer already pointed out, I really don't think any normal GL is a candidate here. I don't see how their normal feats are marginally greater than the things Surfer has done.

Originally posted by Acrosurge
So you claim that everyone has bias except you??? Oh, just say it! You'll feel ever so much better.

As Soljer already pointed out, I really don't think any normal GL is a candidate here. I don't see how their normal feats are marginally greater than the things Surfer has done. \

Any normal GL?

I am only arguing for 2 of them, which happen to be the two greatest GL:

Hal, and Kyle.

Originally posted by Acrosurge
So you claim that everyone has bias except you??? Oh, just say it! You'll feel ever so much better.

As Soljer already pointed out, I really don't think any normal GL is a candidate here. I don't see how their normal feats are marginally greater than the things Surfer has done.

Let's not look at Gl's in the JLA books, which even then they have some uber feats, Let's look at the history of like hal jordan over the years. He's done some crazy stuff.

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
I just paid attention to your sig
Actually u noticed my sig last week.
Nice attempt to crack a joke.
Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
I don't know why anyone is arguing with you about silver surfer.
so anyone having a sig of a character automatically means their a fanboy? please, ur are the definition of fan-boyness.
At least i back up my arguments that scans and actual reasoning.
Remember what i told u last week?.. grow up with ur childish remarks.

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
Let's not look at Gl's in the JLA books, which even then they have some uber feats, Let's look at the history of like hal jordan over the years. He's done some crazy stuff. Oh, absolutely! I've just taken it upon myself to get posters to understand that 'bias' isn't a dirty word or an argumentive form of slander. Everyone is bias and being so doesn't nullify one's opinions or arguments. I'm not attacking Board Walker's opinion, but I think we all benefit from acknowledging our bias's from time to time.

That being said, my opinion is that while the top GLs have incredible feats, their portrayals aren't enough to warrant a >>> position over Surfer.

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl

PS. Auron and Wave Rider and Takion and Genis Vell, and Sentry and Dr. Strange and Dr. Fate are all Heroes who would own surfer without much trouble.

What on earth makes you believe that Sentry and Genis would not have trouble with SS?

Originally posted by Priest
Actually u noticed my sig last week.
Nice attempt to crack a joke.

so anyone having a sig of a character automatically means their a fanboy? please, ur are the definition of fan-boyness.
At least i back up my arguments that scans and actual reasoning.
Remember what i told u last week?.. grow up with ur childish remarks.
And yet the fact still remains that I don't see why anyone would argue with you about the surfer. Your going to clearly think he beats anyone near his own power range. But GL's clearly are superior to surfer. They can do anything. He cannot.

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
And yet the fact still remains that I don't see why anyone would argue with you about the surfer. Your going to clearly think he beats anyone near his own power range. But GL's clearly are superior to surfer. They can do anything. He cannot.

You obviously don't know what you are talking about. I've seen Priest go against SS several times. Pretty narrow minded to think that just because someone is a fan of a character means they will always vote for said character.

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
And yet the fact still remains that I don't see why anyone would argue with you about the surfer. Your going to clearly think he beats anyone near his own power range. But GL's clearly are superior to surfer. They can do anything. He cannot.
It seems that U and BoardWalker are the only people that thinks that a GL beat Surfer for atleast a 7/10.
At least boardwalker can debate his opinions without making a ass out out of himself. On the other hand, ur post really make me . ur "debating" is just mear entertainment on this forums, which is why everybody thinks ur a joke.

Originally posted by celestialdemon
You obviously don't know what you are talking about. I've seen Priest go against SS several times. Pretty narrow minded to think that just because someone is a fan of a character means they will always vote for said character.
Thanks celestialdemon .
nver just needs to learn how act his age.

Originally posted by Priest
It seems that U and BoardWalker are the only people that thinks that a GL beat Surfer for atleast a 7/10.
At least boardwalker can debate his opinions without making a ass out out of himself. On the other hand, ur post really make me . ur "debating" is just mear entertainment on this forums, which is why everybody thinks ur a joke.
And it is funny that you would think that I care that everyone thinks i"m a joke. and then people end up looking like tards when i'm right. they won't ever admit it. but it happens. anyway, Hal and Kyle are superior to Surfer. I have posted reasons many times. just becuz you refuse to accept them is your right.

Originally posted by Priest
Thanks celestialdemon .
nver just needs to learn how act his age.

YOu mean like, going to work every day, paying my bills, taking care of my responsibilities and even my brother and sister who need my help? act my age like that? Run my debt at work? Is that what you mean? cuz I already do all of that.

Never can you please tell me why you think SS loses so badly to Sentry and Genis?

Originally posted by Stupid Rookie
Never can you please tell me why you think SS loses so badly to Sentry and Genis?
Genis seems to be able to alter reality on Grand scales and has crazy power. Sentry was able to match Genis and he said he was holding back. So I give them victories over Surfer. I have also said Sentry seems to be able to soundy beat Superman. Tho Sentry has very few feats to show so I'm not sure on either.

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
YOu mean like, going to work every day, paying my bills, taking care of my responsibilities and even my brother and sister who need my help? act my age like that? Run my debt at work? Is that what you mean? cuz I already do all of that.
clearly u didn't understand that i was talking about they way u communicate with people that disagree with you.

Originally posted by Priest
learlly u dident understand that i was talking about they way u communicate with people that disagree with you.

Look, people on this board say mean stuff all the time. why you chose me to pick with is just crazy. everyone on this board says rotten stuff to people they dont' agree with. For some reason it's ok when they do it but not me. Sorry for seeming rotten to you. But you having the surfer sig does make me think you would never vote against surfer against a Gl. Even tho GL's cleary have more fire power and are more versatile. Hell I've seen Gl's do literally anything that comes to mind.

People seem to pick on Nvr for no valid reason.

He has a stance that is DC favored, compared to 70% of this board which is marvel favored.

The majority of people who debate with Nvr are the ones who throw the fist swing at him in terms of disrespect and flat out ignoring what he has to say; which for the most part is accurate and true, even if a bit biased but hey we are all biased in one way or another.

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
Genis seems to be able to alter reality on Grand scales and has crazy power. Sentry was able to match Genis and he said he was holding back. So I give them victories over Surfer. I have also said Sentry seems to be able to soundy beat Superman. Tho Sentry has very few feats to show so I'm not sure on either.

Insane Genis is usually conisdered different is he not?

I really dont think getting blinked away and doing no damage whatsoever to a holding back Genis really means you can easily take out SS.

Originally posted by Stupid Rookie
Insane Genis is usually conisdered different is he not?

I really dont think getting blinked away and doing no damage whatsoever to a holding back Genis really means you can easily take out SS.

That whole power of a billion exploding stars also has me thinking sentry >>>Surfer.

Originally posted by Board Walker
People seem to pick on Nvr for no valid reason.

He has a stance that is DC favored, compared to 70% of this board which is marvel favored.

The majority of people who debate with Nvr are the ones who throw the fist swing at him in terms of disrespect and flat out ignoring what he has to say; which for the most part is accurate and true, even if a bit biased but hey we are all biased in one way or another.

I"m DC biased? I didn't really think so. OMG. I gotta start voting for marvel more.

Originally posted by Stupid Rookie
Insane Genis is usually conisdered different is he not?

I really dont think getting blinked away and doing no damage whatsoever to a holding back Genis really means you can easily take out SS.

Well to be fair, you have to remember Genis did not damage to Sentry as well.

On top of this, the moment Sentry stated he was going to no longer hold back, Genis decides to retreat.

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
I"m DC biased? I didn't really think so. OMG. I gotta start voting for marvel more.

I did not mean DC biased, I meant character to character bias, which every member on this forum has.

Let me clear it up, the moment a thread appears saying GL Hal Vs SS, I immediately prepare to debate for Hal.

Every single person on this forum has a personal preference from character to character.

Originally posted by Board Walker
Well to be fair, you have to remember Genis did not damage to Sentry as well.

On top of this, the moment Sentry stated he was going to no longer hold back, Genis decides to retreat.

Did he retreat or just send him away? Genis wasn't tryin to hurt Sentry either was he.

I really have the billion exploding suns junk. I will admit a small hatred of Sentry and therefore a bias.

http://img424.imageshack.us/my.php?image=newthunderbolts014page185wj.jpg


Looks hurt to me. It would have been sweet to find out what would happen with neither one holding back, though.

Originally posted by Stupid Rookie
Did he retreat or just send him away? Genis wasn't tryin to hurt Sentry either was he.

I really have the billion exploding suns junk. I will admit a small hatred of Sentry and therefore a bias.

Pretty sure it was a retreat, he shunts Sentry to buy time, and then he and his group immediately leaves.

Originally posted by Board Walker
I did not mean DC biased, I meant character to character bias, which every member on this forum has.

Let me clear it up, the moment a thread appears saying GL Hal Vs SS, I immediately prepare to debate for Hal.

Every single person on this forum has a personal preference from character to character.

True. I get you now. Tho I do admit I only fight so hard for DC becuz Marvel seems so overated here. When I first got here, I came assuming everyone thought they were equal and we would have good debates about characters. But I quickly learned that all the battles seemed more company specific instead of character specific. People argue more about the potential for power sets than actual power sets and uses by the character, and character status. I mean Death has no feats, but I for one instant dont think she would lose to like Darkseid or Imperiex. She would be made stronger by the Two if anything. Sometimes this board becomes Feat whorish. They dismiss what is stated on panel when it's convenient and then use what is stated on panel with no feats when it's convenient. I. E. The beyonder did nothing that impressed me, and yet he is only stated as having the power of so many multiverses.

It seems to me that if Genis wanted to just destroy Sentry he could have almost at will.

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
Look, people on this board say mean stuff all the time. why you chose me to pick with is just crazy. everyone on this board says rotten stuff to people they don't' agree with. For some reason it's ok when they do it but not me. Sorry for seeming rotten to you. But you having the surfer sig does make me think you would never vote against surfer against a Gl. Even tho GL's cleary have more fire power and are more versatile. Hell I've seen Gl's do literally anything that comes to mind.
Dude i never been disrespectful to u until u started with me today and last week. Ur again started to imply that im a fanboy just because i have a surfer sig, what kind of reasoning is that? U don't see me shouting out saying that Surfer would curbstomp thanos or darkseid of crying out-loud. I back up most of my arguments with real facts and proof, fanboys don't do that. So when u insinuate that im a fanboy with ur "slick" comments i am not aloud to be a little ticked off?
Surfer has a natural durability, strength, and speed advantage.
Most of the GL's ubber fears like creating other JLA members and containing big bangs are mostly SMvFL/PIS.
based on most showing surfer edges the GL's out by a slim margin.

Originally posted by UniOmni
I'm just clarifying what you said.

You said Surfer said Thor is more powerful than him.

Surfer said the hammer trumps his power cosmic.

The fact that he specifically mentioned the hammer, tells me that he considers the hammer to be the deciding factor, not the meathead who wields it.

Surfer without the pc is a humanoid pacifist.
Hal without his ring is human.

Thor without the mallet, is still the Thundergod. Not the same.

I understand where your coming from, but Mjolnir was granted to Thor just as the PC was granted to Surfer. Surfer would still be considered more powerful than Thor, if Thor had stated "his power cosmic is superior to my enchanted mallet". Mainly because the power cosmic is what makes Surfer, just as Mjolnir makes Thor.

Originally posted by Soujaboy
I understand where your coming from, but Mjolnir was granted to Thor just as the PC was granted to Surfer. Surfer would still be considered more powerful than Thor, if Thor had stated "his power cosmic is superior to my enchanted mallet". Mainly because the power cosmic is what makes Surfer, just as Mjolnir makes Thor.

I agree with this

Originally posted by Priest
Dude i never been disrespectful to u until u started with me today and last week. Ur again started to imply that im a fanboy just because i have a surfer sig, what kind of reasoning is that? U don't see me shouting out saying that Surfer would curbstomp thanos or darkseid of crying out-loud. I back up most of my arguments with real facts and proof, fanboys don't do that. So when u insinuate that im a fanboy with ur "slick" comments i am not aloud to be a little ticked off?
Surfer has a natural durability, strength, and speed advantage.
Most of the GL's ubber fears like creating other JLA members and containing big bangs are mostly SMvFL/PIS.
based on most showing surfer edges the GL's out by a slim margin.

How can they be PIS when the very nature of the rings says that they can do what ever the ring bearer has the will to do? This really leaves the rings open to be as weak or as powerful as the wearers imagination and will.

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
How can they be PIS when the very nature of the rings says that they can do what ever the ring bearer has the will to do? This really leaves the rings open to be as weak or as powerful as the wearers imagination and will.

That and on panel showings have shown they literally do what ever they want.

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
How can they be PIS when the very nature of the rings says that they can do what ever the ring bearer has the will to do? This really leaves the rings open to be as weak or as powerful as the wearers imagination and will.
Originally posted by Board Walker
That and on panel showings have shown they literally do what ever they want.
GL's can do anything to a certain degree.
If they be as powerful as the the weilders wants/imagines hey should be more powerfull than guys like Darkseid and Thanos.
But of cource we will never give them a majority over Darkseid and Thanos, because that just doent make sence.