Thanos W/ IG Vs. The Infinites

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King Kandy
The three Infinites Vs. Thanos W/ IG.

Both have humiliated Eternity in battle... But who comes out alive?

Utrigita
infinites.

guy222
Originally posted by King Kandy
The three Infinites Vs. Thanos W/ IG.

Both have humiliated Eternity in battle... But who comes out alive?

thanos w/ig.

Utrigita
infinites

Galan007
Originally posted by Utrigita
infinites. Originally posted by Utrigita
infinites. Why would you post the same opinnion twice? hum

boriquaking55
Other than the Eternity feat - didn't the Infinites struggle to destroy a planet?

IG

guy222
Originally posted by boriquaking55
Other than the Eternity feat - didn't the Infinites struggle to destroy a planet?

IG

Infinites appeared to be more powerful than Eternity.

Mr Master
Thanos wins

King Kandy
Originally posted by Mr Master
Thanos wins
Come on, I know you must have scans to support that. I want to learn something.

Mordum
Struggle to destroy a planet? They make beings the size of planets and drag galaxies with their bare hands.

Lord Urizen
Thanos w IG wins

Utrigita
Originally posted by Galan007
Why would you post the same opinnion twice? hum

For Fun wink, a question it is said that one of the infinites died how it would help the analyse.

Galan007
The greatest feat I have seen from the Infinites is handling the Eternity of a single Universe.


The UN>Multi-Eternity

And an Incomplete IG>UN



The IG takes this IMO.

Utrigita
But didn't the Infinites say that they was greater then any single reality, in the scan where they battled Eternity.

Galan007
Originally posted by Utrigita
But didn't the Infinites say that they was greater then any single reality, in the scan where they battled Eternity. greater then any single reality to me means..... Any one Eternity.

The IG is far beyond that.

Utrigita
But the IG was only extent to the 616 reality wasn't it, Thanos couldn't jump into different realities like the infinites apparently can.

Galan007
Originally posted by Utrigita
But the IG was only extent to the 616 reality wasn't it, Thanos couldn't jump into different realities like the infinites apparently can.
"The Goddess" possessed 30 CCU's and merged them into the Cosmic Egg, and we already know that this would have been enough to create AT LEAST 6 duplicate 616 Realities (because Magus created a duplicate 616 reality with 5 CCU's):
http://img95.imageshack.us/img95/1842/cosmicegg30ccgi2.th.jpg


However, The Goddesses power spread far beyond a few Realities.

"Let the Universe know that enrapture will soon be upon them.":
http://img214.imageshack.us/img214/173/ig1kr0.th.jpg

"And the Gospel will spread even beyond these vast reaches, throughout ALL REALITIES!":
http://img149.imageshack.us/img149/5065/ig2sx8.th.jpg

Yet despite this vast power, even The Goddess admitted that the IG was still a FAR more potent force:
http://img236.imageshack.us/img236/8723/igmorethan30ccmb2hm8.th.jpg

http://img145.imageshack.us/img145/5671/ig3ll5.th.jpg


So in answer to your question....... The IG's power spreads far beyond 1 Universe. There is more then enough evidence backing this up.

IG>Infinites

Utrigita
just finished reading you respect thread sorry my mistake it isn't restricted to a single universe, my badge!

Galan007
Originally posted by Utrigita
just finished reading you respect thread sorry my mistake it isn't restricted to a single universe, my badge! It's cool, that's a very common misconception. cool

Mordum
We dont know how powerful the infinites are. They said they are greater than any sinlge reality. That could mean 2 or 3 or even 1 million. Just becasue an infinite manhandled a single eternity didnt mean he couldnt have raped multi eternity. They live outside the multiverse.

Mr Master
Originally posted by Utrigita
But the IG was only extent to the 616 reality wasn't it, Thanos couldn't jump into different realities like the infinites apparently can.

We also have to remember that Thanos only wanted One Universe.


When Eternity and the rest went to the Living Tribunal for help, he said he would not interfere, because Thanos only wanted Eternity's position, (One Universe)
http://img167.imageshack.us/img167/3766/ltnoig2zv1.th.jpg



I'm sure Thanos could have taken most of the Universes in Marvel if he wanted to, he knew it too.
http://img166.imageshack.us/img166/1135/igmakesyousupremeinallrealitie.th.jpg
"Supreme being in This, and All Universes"



There are less than a handful of Characters (IMO) that did Not appear in the Infinity Arc that Potentially MIGHT be able to stop him,

but who knows.

Mordum
im sure he meant all universes within one multiverse not within all multiverses. Although the Ig never showed that power(i.e. Un but that comes down to abc logic which doesnt really work.) The Ig may have multiversal (one multiverse) only very minor.

Utrigita
Originally posted by Mr Master
We also have to remember that Thanos only wanted One Universe.


When Eternity and the rest went to the Living Tribunal for help, he said he would not interfere, because Thanos only wanted Eternity's position, (One Universe)
http://img167.imageshack.us/img167/3766/ltnoig2zv1.th.jpg



I'm sure Thanos could have taken most of the Universes in Marvel if he wanted to, he knew it too.
http://img166.imageshack.us/img166/1135/igmakesyousupremeinallrealitie.th.jpg
"Supreme being in This, and All Universes"



There are less than a handful of Characters (IMO) that did Not appear in the Infinity Arc that Potentially MIGHT be able to stop him,

but who knows.

What about Eternity that was easily removed by Adam, was that multi ore universal. Which Characters are you thinking off Pre-recton Beyonder, LT, Pre retcon Brothers??? just interestet.

Mr Master
Originally posted by Mordum
We dont know how powerful the infinites are. They said they are greater than any sinlge reality. That could mean 2 or 3 or even 1 million. Just becasue an infinite manhandled a single eternity didnt mean he couldnt have raped multi eternity. They live outside the multiverse.

Nah,

I doubt that.


The Infinites practically Work for the Multiverse,


"We are greater than any single Reality"
http://img219.imageshack.us/img219/3237/etvsif5hv9.th.jpg
"We are rearranging the Galaxies -- to improve the balance of the Multi-verse beyond"


They're like a Maintenance Crew for the Multiverse.



It's conceivable that the Infinites are more powerful than several Eternitys,

but Thanos still takes it 10/10




btw. An entire Infinite "died" in the end, and re-created a Planet with it's Essence.

The Infinite said it would continue to expand, to other Worlds it has destroyed.

(This is impressive, since the Infinites obliterated Worlds across the Multiverse, everytime they rearranged Galaxies)


The Infinite dies
http://img104.imageshack.us/img104/4355/if1ed0.th.jpg

http://img104.imageshack.us/img104/4673/if2lh3.th.jpg

http://img108.imageshack.us/img108/4362/if3nd9.th.jpg
"in Sacrificing my Life Essence, I can bring New Life to this Sphere, and others"

Galan007
Originally posted by Utrigita
What about Eternity that was easily removed by Adam, was that multi ore universal. That was single Eternity, (one Universe).

Mr Master
Originally posted by Utrigita
What about Eternity that was easily removed by Adam, was that multi ore universal.

Single.


Originally posted by Utrigita
Which Characters are you thinking off Pre-recton Beyonder, LT, Pre retcon Brothers??? just interestet.

LT - surely

Pre-retcon Beyonder and Molecule Man - surely

Jaspers 616 - ?

HOM Wanda - ?

CB w/Excalibur & the Amulet - ?

Havok w/the Nexus of Realities - surely



I don't mess with the Pre-retcon Brothers, that was garbage to me.

Now Post-retcon Brothers?

Thanos wins, (IMO)

Utrigita
Originally posted by Mr Master
Single.




LT - surely

Pre-retcon Beyonder and Molecule Man - surely

Jaspers 616 - ?

HOM Wanda - ?

CB w/Excalibur & the Amulet - ?

Havok w/the Nexus of Realities - surely



I don't mess with the Pre-retcon Brothers, that was garbage to me.

Now Post-retcon Brothers?

Thanos wins, (IMO)

And I don't mess with Secret Wars II wink

Okay just wanted to see if we agree, what about nemesis and the Beyonders?

Mr Master
Originally posted by Utrigita
And I don't mess with Secret Wars II wink

Yea, but I still read Marvel vs DC quite thoroughly. wink

I try to read everything that involves Marvel Cosmics, regardless of my initial opinion.


You may not like the idea of Secret Wars II, but you should still read them anyway, then you'll have reasons for your decision. smile


Originally posted by Utrigita
Okay just wanted to see if we agree, what about nemesis and the Beyonders?

I go by the idea that the Original Nemesis was the Infinity Being, the True ALL of Creation in the beginning.

The Infinity Being then exploded in a Cosmic suicide because it was bored Alone.


The Official Eternity Bio calls it, the "PREVIOUS Version of Eternity"
http://img19.imageshack.us/img19/8462/etio3.th.jpg



Beyonders?

Difficult to gauge, the entire Realm?

May be as or more powerful than the IG, I'm speculating based on the Cosmic Cube Feats.

A Cosmic Containment Unit is but a "Minute bit" of their power according to the Living Tribunal himself.

Board Walker
From seeing the scans and reading the comics, along with Bigbran, I have to say LT is not one of those who would be able to take on an infinite.

The LT was defeated by the HOTU, and on the Michael Vs. LT thread, the scans and evidence heavily substantiate that LT is indeed below universal power, as it was shown the HOTU gave thanos the power of 1 and only 1 universe.

HOTU (1 universe) > LT

If the infinities are beyond any 1 eternity, then going by on panel, they > LT.

I go by whats on panel Mr. M, and as Bigbran so clearly pointed out many times, the entire HOTU arc states and alludes to the HOTU being universal 9+ times, and makes no mention of the multiverse ever.

Thanos_THOTU
Originally posted by Board Walker
From seeing the scans and reading the comics, along with Bigbran, I have to say LT is not one of those who would be able to take on an infinite.

The LT was defeated by the HOTU, and on the Michael Vs. LT thread, the scans and evidence heavily substantiate that LT is indeed below universal power, as it was shown the HOTU gave thanos the power of 1 and only 1 universe.

HOTU (1 universe) > LT

If the infinities are beyond any 1 eternity, then going by on panel, they > LT.

I go by whats on panel Mr. M, and as Bigbran so clearly pointed out many times, the entire HOTU arc states and alludes to the HOTU being universal 9+ times, and makes no mention of the multiverse ever.
But then again
Living Tribunal >> IG > I-IG >> UN >> Multiverse

Compare it to the Conductor (Matrix Revolution)
He was God in his creation, not even Neo stood a chanse against him there.

Galan007
Originally posted by Thanos_THOTU
Compare it to the Conductor (Matrix Revolution)
He was God in his creation, not even Neo stood a chanse against him there. That's actually a pretty good analogy.

Utrigita
Originally posted by Board Walker
From seeing the scans and reading the comics, along with Bigbran, I have to say LT is not one of those who would be able to take on an infinite.

The LT was defeated by the HOTU, and on the Michael Vs. LT thread, the scans and evidence heavily substantiate that LT is indeed below universal power, as it was shown the HOTU gave thanos the power of 1 and only 1 universe.

HOTU (1 universe) > LT

If the infinities are beyond any 1 eternity, then going by on panel, they > LT.

I go by whats on panel Mr. M, and as Bigbran so clearly pointed out many times, the entire HOTU arc states and alludes to the HOTU being universal 9+ times, and makes no mention of the multiverse ever.
And yet the HOTU is above IG, and the IG isn't restricted to a single reality (LT in a way defeated IG thus proving stronger then IG), and in Thanos The End correct my if I am wrong but didn't he absorb the multiverse with the HOTU, tried to go to the omniverse but he couldn't, clearly he isn't resticted to a single universe by absorbing a multiverse.

And a importent difference between IG and HOTU is that it doesn't grant the wielder more wisdom ore intelligence.

Board Walker
Originally posted by Utrigita
And yet the HOTU is above IG, and the IG isn't restricted to a single reality (LT in a way defeated IG thus proving stronger then IG), and in Thanos The End correct my if I am wrong but didn't he absorb the multiverse with the HOTU, tried to go to the omniverse but he couldn't, clearly he isn't resticted to a single universe by absorbing a multiverse.

And a importent difference between IG and HOTU is that it doesn't grant the wielder more wisdom ore intelligence.

What happened was, he absorbed the entire universe he was in, and he became that entire universe, he became just as all the other purple spheres around him, the infinite universes ebbing and flowing in Infinite and oblivion.

He was unable to go any further then this.

The HOTU was much greater in power as it was the power of the supreme being of marvel, but Thanos was only allowed a very small portion of it, the exact portion it was shown on panel, to make him a universe and nothing more.

The word and term universe/universal was said and referenced to in the arc 9+ times, well on the other hand the word multiversal was said and referenced to 0 times.

The IG may have had the power to manipulate universes, but that is not saying it was greater then any one universe by itself.

The bottom line is, on panel LT was defeated by the power of 1 universe and nothing more.

The power of one complete universe > LT

Galan007
Originally posted by Board Walker
The bottom line is, on panel LT was defeated by the power of 1 universe and nothing more.

The power of one complete universe > LT Wrong.

This would mean that a single Eternity>LT.

We know this is not true........... how you ask?

Because the IG>>>Eternity,

and...

LT>>IG.



LT is MUCH greater the one Universe.

Mr Master
Originally posted by Galan007
Wrong.

This would mean that a single Eternity>LT.

We know this is not true........... how you ask?

Because the IG>>>Eternity,

and...

LT>>IG.



LT is MUCH greater the one Universe.

yes


I gave up on that kid a while ago, he's stuck.

Utrigita
And the Heart of The universe linked every being in the Universe together that including LT M-body, he didn't destroy it he merly absorbed it into himself, since he was already everyone and everything.

And another thing didn't he in the interim wasn't Thanos driven to mindless rage by the attempt of the Great Powers to usurp his reign and decided absorb the entirety of the multi-verse back into himself, so that none might ever again threaten his reign, thus ending the this particular multi-verse, just wanted it cleared read it on marvel.com

Lord Urizen
Originally posted by Board Walker
What happened was, he absorbed the entire universe he was in, and he became that entire universe, he became just as all the other purple spheres around him, the infinite universes ebbing and flowing in Infinite and oblivion.

He was unable to go any further then this.

The HOTU was much greater in power as it was the power of the supreme being of marvel, but Thanos was only allowed a very small portion of it, the exact portion it was shown on panel, to make him a universe and nothing more.

The word and term universe/universal was said and referenced to in the arc 9+ times, well on the other hand the word multiversal was said and referenced to 0 times.

The IG may have had the power to manipulate universes, but that is not saying it was greater then any one universe by itself.

The bottom line is, on panel LT was defeated by the power of 1 universe and nothing more.

The power of one complete universe > LT




laughing laughing out loud hysterical laughing out loud laughing




Bro u have no fkn idea what u r talkn about laughing

Board Walker
Originally posted by Mr Master
yes


I gave up on that kid a while ago, he's stuck.

The Scans show otherwise

Utrigita
Originally posted by Board Walker
The Scans show otherwise

And what does the scans show to be precise

Mr Master
Originally posted by Board Walker
The Scans show otherwise

If you say so friend.


I'll stick to what the Marvel says.

Mr Master
Originally posted by Utrigita
And what does the scans show to be precise

I believe he's talking about these scans he must of forgot to look at and read.

Mr Master
The Beyonder discovers the Prime Marvel Universe is a Multiverse!


"Odd thing He had noticed about our Universe"
http://img91.imageshack.us/img91/7222/beyonderexploresthemulitverseoy9.th.jpg
"Namely that it is Many-Layered-composed of a seemingly Endless Number of Dimensions, indeed, it is a MULTIVERSE"


yawn



The Marvel Universe is a Multiverse.


Thanos absorbed the Marvel Universe, a Multiverse.



That should be enough, but there's more.

Mr Master
Thanos absorbs LT - Eternity/Infinity - Cosmics - All the Celestials .... on and on ...
http://img90.imageshack.us/img90/1825/teb9.th.jpg


And Thanos never stopped
http://img155.imageshack.us/img155/4388/t2gw1.th.jpg



Read


"For IF this BAND (the Living Tribunal, ETERNITY/INFINITY) Could Defy Me...might not OTHERS* be equally Foolish?"
http://img245.imageshack.us/img245/4746/t6bi7.th.jpg
"Could I ALLOW ANY to question my divine AUTHORITY?"



"NO....So I CONTINUED to Absorb ALL that MIGHT THREATEN my REIGN...Until....
http://img381.imageshack.us/img381/2830/t7fq0.th.jpg

See ... He's absorbing MORE SPACE now, WHERE is this SPACE coming from if he already absorbed the embodiment of Space and Time?



"Nothing Remained"
http://img165.imageshack.us/img165/991/allhecouldum7.th.jpg



SO,

(AFTER absorbing the Living Tribunal - Eternity/Infinity - the ENTIRE Race of Celestials - all the Cosmics - Heroes and even some Villains of this "One Universe"wink


WHO else COULD question his AUTHORITY?

WHO else can THREATEN his REIGN?

In this "Single Universe?" dontgetit

Mr Master
The Marvel Universe, or "Man's Universe" ... is a Multiverse!




"The Earth Universe is embodied in the Entity known as Eternity"
http://img166.imageshack.us/img166/1097/dr4jb8.th.jpg
"Man's Universe has its own, INFINITE Number of Variants ... known as Alternate Universes"


***(Alternate Universes = a Multiverse)***




Is this just Dr Strange speculating?



I think not,




here it is On Panel,


Eternity (the Marvel Universe) appears before Dr. Strange

"Eternity ... you who are the Beginning and the End and the All of Time itself"
http://img252.imageshack.us/img252/4296/etisunicopyfl0.th.jpg



Eternity (the Marvel Universe)

http://img166.imageshack.us/img166/5425/etisuni2copylu8.th.jpg
"When He raises a Hand which holds WHOLE Universes within it"

Mr Master
Now Reality 616

or

the 616 Universe

is a Single Universe.


Realize we NEVER saw this number during the End series.

We also NEVER saw Thanos or anyone calling the End series Universe,

"One" Universe.


You'll find ..

"The Universe"

"Our Universe"


But NEVER a quantifiable specific.

Galan007
Originally posted by Mr Master
The Beyonder discovers the Prime Marvel Universe is a Multiverse!


"Odd thing He had noticed about our Universe"
http://img91.imageshack.us/img91/7222/beyonderexploresthemulitverseoy9.th.jpg
"Namely that it is Many-Layered-composed of a seemingly Endless Number of Dimensions, indeed, it is a MULTIVERSE" Realistically, this debate shouldn't have required anymore then this scan lol.

Mr Master
Originally posted by Galan007
Realistically, this debate shouldn't have required anymore then this scan lol.

Some local folks have aluminum protected domes,

that do not allow simple and effective proof to be suffice. sad


But luckily for most of our sanity, we have others like ourselves, who see things clearly and quickly. big grin

Galan007
Originally posted by Mr Master
Some local folks have aluminum protected domes,

that do not allow simple and effective proof to be suffice. sad


But luckily for most of our sanity, we have others like ourselves, who see things clearly and quickly. big grin Amen.

Board Walker
Mr. M I refuse to sit idle as you spread this non sense! The resistance shall not be silenced!

I shall begin by postting what big bran stated in the other thread (I have no desire, espicially at this time to do anything of my own, so ill just copy and paste since bigbran did an excellent job.)

Originally posted by bigbran
Hope this answers your question.
http://img518.imageshack.us/img518/2850/theend0612tatopr7.th.jpg

There is no time and space. There is nothing. That is what nothing looks like, and the same thing would happen to a multiverse, or a universe, or an omniverse... except... we have several confirmations (two on the scan I just showed, way more other places... I can actually give you about five or more on-panel evidences of it being a universe) that it was indeed a universe.

Warlock was inside Atleza'a domain too when this ocurred. If Thanos had actually erased everything, then he would have ht Atleza's realm. Did Warlock get erased? Does this not answer your question?

Also, we have never been inside "nothing" really before. So how can you say it was more than a universe?

So, as it turns out, it was a universe... nothing more, nothing less. Just because nothing remained, doesn't mean squat... actually, it means just that:
NOTHING!

To teh questions:

God.

God.

If he just beat LT on-panel, then by all means, who else could threaten his reign?

Yes, single universe.

As it turns out, one of (if not) the most powerful beings in Marvel, was only universal... more proof that being multiversal means shit.

Board Walker
Originally posted by bigbran
There is nothing. Nothing, no time and space.


If you were arguing against him ONLY absorbing a MULTIVERSE, then what is that you didn't say he absorbed?

Why?


Umm... because he didn't absorb everything that pertained to that universe?
What about the pocket universes? What about Mephisto's realm? What about Phoenix? What about Aunt May? What about other planets? What about Oblivion? What about the stars? What about the black holes? What about all of the Celestials? What about Entropy?
What about the little people?
The remark was more than likely said about that, other than the multiverse.

OK, evidence?
No bios that you unquestionably hate, just pure, on-panel showings. Times they mentioned things about universes, or absorbing them.
1:
http://img20.imageshack.us/img20/7483/mute0101dh0.th.jpg

2:
http://img20.imageshack.us/img20/4732/theend0613tatodp5.th.jpg

3/4:
http://img20.imageshack.us/img20/3148/theend0612tatode2.th.jpg

5:
http://img470.imageshack.us/img470/1121/theend0616tatoao6.th.jpg

6:
http://img470.imageshack.us/img470/4681/theend0621tatojd1.th.jpg

7:
http://img471.imageshack.us/img471/7793/thanos0109qo9.th.jpg

8:
http://img471.imageshack.us/img471/4264/thanos0110kp4.th.jpg

9:
http://img471.imageshack.us/img471/8124/thanos0201nx3.th.jpg

Usually when it is said NINE times... compared to your one speculation...

That is only looking through two comics, and a page...


What about IG, what about the Cube? Because I know that on-panel, both have been said to make him God.

What about teh multiversal Abraxas taking out teh omniversal Roma?

Board Walker
Originally posted by bigbran
And, you judge this off of chessboards right?
Look Britain just destroyed a multiverse!
http://images6.theimagehosting.com/albums/22776/Excalibur 47_p18.th.jpg

Also, what issue was this "chess" being played in?




I don't know, probably the universe that Thanos only absorbed in the comic...

Also...
Eternity is being manipulated around, and yet nothing is happening to the background.
http://img453.imageshack.us/img453/7647/end517wp7.th.jpg

Oh, look, at teh background.
http://img486.imageshack.us/img486/2927/theend518ej9.th.jpg

Teh background.
http://img486.imageshack.us/img486/8145/theend0609tatowj0.th.jpg

Teh background after Eternity is gone.
http://img455.imageshack.us/img455/3605/theend0610tatoul0.th.jpg

Ya, I didn't notice much difference either.


How did he get absorbed, when that was a meeting?

Also, I just just naming off random characters.


Never, but teh Jeanix was in the comic run...
http://img357.imageshack.us/img357/9688/mute0116bo1.th.jpg


Again, just random things/characters.

Also, what exactly does Infinity represent, that would affect planets being there?


Gee... you think that GOD would have felt him in the area?


Quite.



I was just saying that the Heart didn't beat everyone in the universe.

They were there, but it still doesn't mean that everyone was there.
Also, that was just a meeting.
I saw 4 Celestials in the confrontation.
It could have actually just been 3 or 2 too.


So, what you're saying, is that Entropy just disappears right after the universe dies?


Nearly.


And... I see NO mention of a multiverse in the entire HOTU arc.

Why would you bring these up?

Boundless universe, and it still got absorbed, still means nothing.


Just like my room is a place in my house.
Point?


Now, find me Multi-Eternity anywhere in the entire HOTU run.

Oh ya... another universe claim.

Even before he had the power, he was aware of the universal destroying power.
http://img455.imageshack.us/img455/1600/mute0112yw8.th.jpg

Teh entire UNIVERSE is rallying against him!
http://img486.imageshack.us/img486/533/theend510tq2.th.jpg


So... I don't get why I am even arguing right now... I could probably bring out a couple more scans in which it says universe.


But, it was supposed to be God's power!


But, you said it was the first time.

My point is, that just because it was said to be God's power, doesn't make it so.
Cube was supposed to make Thanos God... was he?
IG was supposed to make Thanos God... was he?

No, and why should the Heart be any different?


Suggest?
The first one also says that she could have been resurrected...

Teh bios don't even straight forward support it, just "speculate" it.

Board Walker
Originally posted by bigbran
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Well... if your going to bring up a universe actually being a multiverse, then shouldn't you be prepared for it to backfire?
I don't agree with your theory, and I know what proof is going to come up to go against it... nipping it in the bud.




He was manipulated around and then disappeared.
Also, teh background was about the same, before and after he absorbed Eternity.

I already answered this.
It is speculation to say that he absorbed everything.

I thought you, out of anyone, wouldn't go against teh proof when it is right there in front of you.


I accused people of lying or twisting scans... after I posted the scan saying it was a universe... without teh speculation.

Everything else, is basically a different debate (since it is being dragged away from a mini comic worth of proof that it was a universe).



Is how I debate, based off the people that had actually went their to confront him, not based of teh meeting.





Oh...
http://img145.imageshack.us/img145/1384/theend612tatooh0.th.jpg

Thanos said that the people he had just killed had went to Oblivion. So... LT and Eternity were actually in the same place as Thanos?



He wasn't even threatened by LT as he had pointed out, so I don't know why you are clinging to this scan so much.

T'was Thanos talking is all, and t'was also Thanos/others saying numerous times that he had only taken out a universe.
I guess Thanos/others is lying about him absorbing a universe (a couple times), and we should take the speculation as solid proof...


Or the rest from that universe?

"IT HAD to be..."
You almost have to be joking with this one...

Also, you expect me to believe that Thanos couldn't even absorb universal Death (I know what happened, so don't point it out...), but yet, he can successfully absorb the rest of the multiverse?
I guess it sounds fair...



They artistically drew them in the scan you used earlier...




So, he just blinks out?
Sounds weird...

So... what you're trying to say, is that:

Eternity, is actually a multiverse? So, what is the point of Multi-Eternity then?

Also, about that scan, he either just called it that, because of all the dimensions and stuff.
Or:
He actually found out that there was more than just a universe in existence.

Now, a multiverse actually has multiple universes, and in those universes, there are dimensions. So, that would mean, that every Eternity is actually a multiverse, following your theory.
Also, actual Multi-Eternity would encompass all of these so called "multiverses", so also based on your theory, Multi-Eternity would actually be an omni-verse, since everything woud be in it.

So, you can call the universe a multiverse, but the fact of the matter is, that an actual multiverse is bigger, and the multi-universe theory would still be the same.

So again... based on that scan, every "universe" is actually a "multiverse" (because every universe has these dimensions). It still doesn't change the feat affecting the universe.
If it is called a universe, then it is a universe. If it is called a multiverse, then it is a multiverse. Nothing more, nothing less.

Did this make any sense?

Eternity has about 1000 sayings that he is a universe, compared to every scan "supposedly" calling him a multiverse.




OK then.

In the same page basically, he had just called it a multiverse.
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What he more likely meant, was:

That out of all of Eternity, the Universe's (616) balance was being upset.
Either that, or it was a writer's error.

I wonder how many times it has been said that 616 is only a universe... compared to the times you use scans to say it is a multiverse...





This one made me giggle...

This argument should have been shut down with the couple of universe scans, don't you think?
Not with your one scan of Beyonder finding something out.



I could question his authority, doesn't mean anything.

But, what you are forgetting, is that LT wasn't even a threat to him, so that would make anything null.

Also:

God.

God.

Board Walker
Originally posted by bigbran
Ya, but IG supposedly made you God.
The Hotu made you God.

All hyperbole to me.

You think God would have exhausted himself making a universe?



The same scan played twice isn't going to make my opinion differ.




You know, this one also made me laugh.

Doesn't the offical bio of Phoenix say that she created Galactus? Didn't you argue against this?
So now, you are telling me to accept bios or cry them a letter?
I have a Hypo, and his name is Crite.

Also, this was never said on-panel, was it? It is just speculation to me, and it doesn't even straight forward follow what you are saying.
It gives two options.

Also, if you notice in my first post adressing the matter, I never said anything about Abraxas killing Roma, I said he "took" her out.
Which he did, whether she faked her death or not.

Like I said, multiversal, beating (notice beating, NOT killing) teh omniversal.


I'm sorry... WHAT?

What seems to me, is that they are just talking about different universes.
Alternate ones, like What-Ifs, and non-canon arcs, 616.

I don't even know, how this fits in here... or what you are trying to do with it.





Ya, and Thanos absorbed that, and he called it a UNIVERSE.



Either that is Multi-Eternity, or there is some massive hyperboles going on, or writer's errors.
I remember reading that comic.
I kind of knew that, that scan was going to be brought up.

So, basically, the same Eternity that has universes flowing through his fingertips, gets stood up to by Dr Strange?
I guess he isn't as powerful as I first thought... or, by some odd reason, a writer made a mistake...




I am going to speculate right now, so...
Usually, when it is called a universe, that means just that. It is not like they can't just say multiverse.
A multiverse has a bunch of universes (or multiverses as you called them earlier) in them. Thanos took out one of those universes.

I know, it sounds crazy doesn't it, I mean, who would have thought that a universe actually meant "universe"?
I guess, that is why it is called speculation...

One more for the road...
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"Universe"

bigbran
No, no, you misunderstand.

I still think that the HOTU is still the most powerful in Marvel.

I never said that the range makes a difference of power.

The HOTU was a special case.
I don't think it reflects on LT's power level, even after all that.

LT is still multiversal.
I was just making the point because of people saying that Micheal was only universal, therefore he would lose to LT.

HOTU might be universal, but that doesn't mean that a universal power is going to take LT out.

You understand?

Needless to say, HOTU was "special".

Board Walker
Originally posted by bigbran
No, no, you misunderstand.

I still think that the HOTU is still the most powerful in Marvel.

I never said that the range makes a difference of power.

The HOTU was a special case.
I don't think it reflects on LT's power level, even after all that.

LT is still multiversal.
I was just making the point because of people saying that Micheal was only universal, therefore he would lose to LT.

HOTU might be universal, but that doesn't mean that a universal power is going to take LT out.

You understand?

Needless to say, HOTU was "special".

My point was that the HOTU which in that special circumstance, was only univeral (it was limited by TOAA), and with that limited power it defeated TOAA.

That is my argument, that the limited power of universal defeated LT on panel, which it did...

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