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This is not a spite thread or anything. I am seriously wondering, after finishing Our Worlds At War, whether Imperiex would be able to take on any incarnation of the phoenix force (Jean, Rachel, etc.).

This is because, in Our Worlds at War, when Imperiex's energy was released, he unleased a big bang (the book specifically said that there were two big bangs that occured almost simultaneously) at the beginning of time. Since the Phoenix Force is believed to power the big bang also, I was wondering what would happen if the two faced each other. Thank you.

i guess phoenix

Originally posted by xmeat
i guess phoenix Marvel... right?

Originally posted by SilverSurferFan
This is not a spite thread or anything. I am seriously wondering, after finishing Our Worlds At War, whether Imperiex would be able to take on any incarnation of the phoenix force (Jean, Rachel, etc.).

This is because, in Our Worlds at War, when Imperiex's energy was released, he unleased a big bang (the book specifically said that there were two big bangs that occured almost simultaneously) at the beginning of time. Since the Phoenix Force is believed to power the big bang also, I was wondering what would happen if the two faced each other. Thank you.

PF wins

Originally posted by bigbran
Marvel... right? no cause supes fought imperiex and wouldn't have a chance in hell against phoenix.

Originally posted by xmeat
no cause supes fought imperiex and wouldn't have a chance in hell against phoenix. Teh Kismet?

Originally posted by bigbran
Teh Kismet?

Dude, Kismet was running from a guy that Superman pwned.

Notice the word Superman.

Anyone who is supposed to be as powerful as Eternity shouldn't be running from anything Superman can take down.

Imperiex didn't really do anything on panel that showed that he was uber.

OWAW sucked, hard.

Thank you all for the replies.

IS PF actually the power of a big bang? Imperiex actually is the power of a big bang. ANd not only just one, but he does it over and over. I'd go with Imperiex over every version of PF except the White crown PF. I dont' know alot about her.

From what I understand of the Phoenix, I think she is the spark that starts up the big bang. I don't know if that is the same thing as being the power of the big bang though. hmmm.... that's why I started this thread lol.

Imperiex is the Big Bang.

Originally posted by juggernaut66666
Imperiex is the Big Bang.

Do u think Imperiex can defeat the ommipotent Phoenix Force?

Yeah.

Originally posted by Beta Ray Howard
Dude, Kismet was running from a guy that Superman pwned.

Notice the word Superman.

Anyone who is supposed to be as powerful as Eternity shouldn't be running from anything Superman can take down.

Imperiex didn't really do anything on panel that showed that he was uber.

OWAW sucked, hard.
Only destroyed and recreated the Universe multiple times.

i will go with Dark Phoenix, i think we would need more feats from imperiex to see what he can do

Originally posted by starlock
i will go with Dark Phoenix, i think we would need more feats from imperiex to see what he can do
YOu don't need alot of feats. The runner beat the surfer and he doesn't have many feats for us to know that he can beat superman.

Originally posted by juggernaut66666
Imperiex creating a Big Bang(destroys and recreates the Universe after restarts the process all over again)
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http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o97/juggernaut666666/2-19.jpg
http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o97/juggernaut666666/3-19.jpg
http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o97/juggernaut666666/4-15.jpg
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Originally posted by juggernaut66666
Imperiex releasing the Big Bang
http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o97/juggernaut666666/1-29.jpg
"If I destroy Brainiac 13 Imperiex collapses the Universe and sets of the Big Bang. If I leave Imperiex be ,Braniac takes over the Universe planet ny planet"
http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o97/juggernaut666666/2-20.jpg

Originally posted by juggernaut66666
"I cannot be destroyed Superman. If it isn't you ,it will be someone else after Brainiac 13 murdered billions. I am not evil Superman I am nature
Come back.Free me.Help me fix this broken world.Let me end the pain of this corrupt Universe. I can hollow it all and unleash a new beginning and perhaps the next Universe will get it right."
http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o97/juggernaut666666/1-32.jpg
http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o97/juggernaut666666/2-23.jpg

Originally posted by starlock
i will go with Dark Phoenix, i think we would need more feats from imperiex to see what he can do

i agree

Imperiex >>> Phoenix Force

The PF has never on panel destroyed or created a universe or anything greater.

I go by on panel showings, not speculation.

As of right now by on panel showings

Imperiex >>>>> Phoenix Force

Originally posted by Beta Ray Howard
Dude, Kismet was running from a guy that Superman pwned.

Notice the word Superman.

Anyone who is supposed to be as powerful as Eternity shouldn't be running from anything Superman can take down.

Imperiex didn't really do anything on panel that showed that he was uber.

OWAW sucked, hard.

Do you know what you are talking about? It doesn't seem like it.

yet Kyle pawned the Imperiex. sly

edit

Originally posted by Priest
yet Kyle pawned the Imperiex. sly

Originally posted by juggernaut66666

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
YOu don't need alot of feats. The runner beat the surfer and he doesn't have many feats for us to know that he can beat superman.

this is why you get into fights with people all the time and people put you down,besides using the F*** word what do you contribute?

who is us ? why would you be talking for the forums, its is MY impression that feats are required,how long has imperiex been around?
so if it is a quick villian of the month character I would not put my money on him unless it is shown on panel what he can do

Dont get me wrong there are exceptions one being the LT, he has been around for a long time and has little showings versus his longevity.but noone will question he is second to TOAA and he has the title to go along with it

in the end it is MY opinon i do not include others in my opinons

Originally posted by starlock
this is why you get into fights with people all the time and people put you down,besides using the F*** word what do you contribute?

who is us ? why would you be talking for the forums, its is MY impression that feats are required,how long has imperiex been around?
so if it is a quick villian of the month character I would not put my money on him unless it is shown on panel what he can do

Dont get me wrong there are exceptions one being the LT, he has been around for a long time and has little showings versus his longevity.but noone will question he is second to TOAA and he has the title to go along with it

in the end it is MY opinon i do not include others in my opinons

i agree with u. i just debate fairly. no one wants to be disrespected. for the thread, staying with dark phoenix

Originally posted by juggernaut66666
Imperiex creating a Big Bang(destroys and recreates the Universe after restarts the process all over again)
http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o97/juggernaut666666/1-28.jpg
http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o97/juggernaut666666/2-19.jpg
http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o97/juggernaut666666/3-19.jpg
http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o97/juggernaut666666/4-15.jpg
http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o97/juggernaut666666/5-15.jpg

Originally posted by juggernaut66666
Imperiex releasing the Big Bang
http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o97/juggernaut666666/1-29.jpg
"If I destroy Brainiac 13 Imperiex collapses the Universe and sets of the Big Bang. If I leave Imperiex be ,Braniac takes over the Universe planet ny planet"
http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o97/juggernaut666666/2-20.jpg

Originally posted by juggernaut66666
"I cannot be destroyed Superman. If it isn't you ,it will be someone else after Brainiac 13 murdered billions. I am not evil Superman I am nature
Come back.Free me.Help me fix this broken world.Let me end the pain of this corrupt Universe. I can hollow it all and unleash a new beginning and perhaps the next Universe will get it right."
http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o97/juggernaut666666/1-32.jpg
http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o97/juggernaut666666/2-23.jpg

Originally posted by juggernaut66666
Imperiex releasing the Big Bang
http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o97/juggernaut666666/1-29.jpg

Originally posted by Priest
yet Kyle pawned the Imperiex. sly

phoenix pwned galactus phoenix wins

Originally posted by xmeat
phoenix pwned galactus phoenix wins
That was a hungry Galactus and no Phoenix does not win.

Originally posted by xmeat
phoenix pwned galactus phoenix wins Galactus lacked the strenght to fight. He even stated that and so did the Phoenix. It happened in an Excalibur issue Galactus was so weak that even the Surfer could have put him down.

how was imperix defeated?

Originally posted by juggernaut66666
That was a hungry Galactus and no Phoenix does not win.

It is a fact. Phoenix Force is greater than Galactus. Period. I know two or three ppl will verify that. For the thread, PF wins. It will always live.

Originally posted by starlock
this is why you get into fights with people all the time and people put you down,besides using the F*** word what do you contribute?

who is us ? why would you be talking for the forums, its is MY impression that feats are required,how long has imperiex been around?
so if it is a quick villian of the month character I would not put my money on him unless it is shown on panel what he can do

Dont get me wrong there are exceptions one being the LT, he has been around for a long time and has little showings versus his longevity.but noone will question he is second to TOAA and he has the title to go along with it

in the end it is MY opinon i do not include others in my opinons
I contributed the logic that the runner doesn't have many feats, but we know that he can beat superman. That is what I contributed. Imperiex doesn't need alot of feats for us to know that PF cannot beat him.

Originally posted by guy222
It is a fact. Phoenix Force is greater than Galactus. Period. I know two or three ppl will verify that. For the thread, PF wins. It will always live.
Just because the PF is above Galactus she wins?
Great logic.

Originally posted by juggernaut66666
Just because the PF is above Galactus she wins?
Great logic.

why, thank u. she wins the thread also

Originally posted by guy222
why, thank u. she wins the thread also so you mean galactus>imperiex??

Originally posted by guy222
why, thank u. she wins the thread also
No she doesn't.

Originally posted by qqqqqqq
so you mean galactus>imperiex??
Imperiex is the Big Bang in an armour.

Originally posted by qqqqqqq
so you mean galactus>imperiex??

we all have opinions regarding galactus

Originally posted by guy222
we all have opinions regarding galactus so whats yours?

Originally posted by SilverSurferFan
From what I understand of the Phoenix, I think she is the spark that starts up the big bang. I don't know if that is the same thing as being the power of the big bang though. hmmm.... that's why I started this thread lol.

The Phoenix is the force that sparks the cycle, the force that perpetuates the cycle and is the force that ends the cycle as the universe is consumed by the fire from the initial spark.

Originally posted by SilverSurferFan
This is not a spite thread or anything. I am seriously wondering, after finishing Our Worlds At War, whether Imperiex would be able to take on any incarnation of the phoenix force (Jean, Rachel, etc.).

This is because, in Our Worlds at War, when Imperiex's energy was released, he unleased a big bang (the book specifically said that there were two big bangs that occured almost simultaneously) at the beginning of time. Since the Phoenix Force is believed to power the big bang also, I was wondering what would happen if the two faced each other. Thank you.

phoenix force win

Originally posted by guy222
we all have opinions regarding galactus so whats your opinion??

Imperiex, PF is about DS level TeenTitans/X-Men crossover.

Originally posted by juggernaut66666


Awesome Scans Juggs,

that in itself quickly tells me Imperiex wins.


Phoenix has Never Created a Universe On Panel.

Imperiex has.


End of Story.

Originally posted by Mr Master
Awesome Scans Juggs,

that in itself quickly tells me Imperiex wins.


Phoenix has Never Created a Universe On Panel.

Imperiex has.


End of Story.
Sad thing is most members know shit about Imperiex or they just simply missinformed about him.They often think that Superman beat Imperiex while those were just probes (they look exactly like Imperiex only they are about 50 times smaller).

Originally posted by Mr Master
Awesome Scans Juggs,

that in itself quickly tells me Imperiex wins.


Phoenix has Never Created a Universe On Panel.

Imperiex has.


End of Story. So true she never has. But we have seen scans which were a little blinding.
Originally posted by juggernaut66666
Sad thing is most members know shit about Imperiex or they just simply missinformed about him.They often think that Superman beat Imperiex while those were just probes (they look exactly like Imperiex only they are about 50 times smaller). Co-Signed. They don't really. But seeing that some people believe Phoenix is the ultimate power just makes me scream.

Originally posted by juggernaut66666
Sad thing is most members know shit about Imperiex or they just simply missinformed about him.They often think that Superman beat Imperiex while those were just probes (they look exactly like Imperiex only they are about 50 times smaller).

I never knew that.


Thanx for the info.

I made him a respect thread
http://www.killermovies.com/forums/431978_1-imperiex-respect-thread

Thought the retards spammed it pretty much.

Originally posted by Rewmac
So true she never has. But we have seen scans which were a little blinding.

Oh yea,

the Scans with all that theoretical input.


Meanwhile On Panel Never Created a Universe, Never Remade a Universe.

The Phoenix Force did destroy an Alternate Reality ONCE, in a What If ...


Originally posted by Rewmac
But seeing that some people believe Phoenix is the ultimate power just makes me scream.

I feel you bro,

that's the ultimate misconception on this forum.

Other forums laugh at that ultimate bull shit

Originally posted by juggernaut66666
I made him a respect thread
http://www.killermovies.com/forums/431978_1-imperiex-respect-thread

Thought the retards spammed it pretty much.

Nice.

Originally posted by qqqqqqq
so whats your opinion??

I respect Big G. Do I believe he's more powerful than Imperiex? Well,

I fail to see why everything the Phoenix does is up for interpretation, when a lot of her feats are shown there is nothing more than what is done and what she says she is doing. Like when she "held the universe" it just showed her holding it, and the consciousness talking to Jean about what was being held. There were no captions or anything just Jean as WPoftheC holding the universe, talking to her higher-self. This was just the thread I was reading when I decided to post, call me a fanboy if you like, Phoenix is more underrated in our reality than hers.

Originally posted by Board Walker
Imperiex >>> Phoenix Force

The PF has never on panel destroyed or created a universe or anything greater.

I go by on panel showings, not speculation.

As of right now by on panel showings

Imperiex >>>>> Phoenix Force



Do you know what you are talking about? It doesn't seem like it.

Read the Phoenix respect thread. NOT the case at all.

The Phoenix has beaten down Galactus multiple times, consumed an alternate reality, re-energized the fields which bound the multiversal power of the M'kraan crystal, telekinetically cut off a future from the rest of the universe and telekinetically maetrialized a universe atom by atom within the white hot room.

Imperiex gets stomped.

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
Read the Phoenix respect thread. NOT the case at all.

The Phoenix has beaten down Galactus multiple times, consumed an alternate reality, re-energized the fields which bound the multiversal power of the M'kraan crystal, telekinetically cut off a future from the rest of the universe and telekinetically maetrialized a universe atom by atom within the white hot room.

Imperiex gets stomped. so you're saying galactus>imperiex?

Originally posted by Rewmac
Galactus lacked the strenght to fight. He even stated that and so did the Phoenix. It happened in an Excalibur issue Galactus was so weak that even the Surfer could have put him down.

Me and you have already been through this issue so why youre still arguing as if that debate never happened i really dont know.

Your point is irrelevant because not only has Phoenix beat him in an alternate reality when she was also weak, but in the Excalibur fight yes Galactus was weak, but he also highlighted the superiority of Phoenixes nature to his, because while an avatar is tapped into a limitless supply of energy and can fight persistently, Galactus requires outside sustenance. He'd eat a planet, battle, burn those reserves and then be weak again.

Originally posted by qqqqqqq
so you're saying galactus>imperiex?

Nope, just highlighting Phoenixes impressive showings. Beating Galactus with ease is one of them.

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
Nope, just highlighting Phoenixes impressive showings. Beating Galactus with ease is one of them. so can she beat imperiex with ease?

Originally posted by qqqqqqq
so can she beat imperiex with ease?

Given on panel showings, she'd definitely win. She cant be killed. Her feats are greater.

When has Dark Phoenix ever created a Universe?
Wait never mind she never did anything like that.

Edit:Imperiex can't be killed aswell.

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
Given on panel showings, she'd definitely win. She cant be killed. Her feats are greater. ok thanks

Originally posted by juggernaut66666

When has Dark Phoenix ever created a Universe?
Wait never mind she never did anything like that.

Edit:Imperiex can't be killed aswell.

Phoenix has destroyed an alternate reality by consuming it. She has performed feats of a comparative scale that show that if she wished to destroy or create a universe, she could.

If Psylocke telekinetically dismantled a mountain to its component atoms and then materialized this mountain in another location and completely intact then noone could argue that if Psylocke wanted to destroy that mountain, that she couldnt(She could just atomize it, dispersing its atoms) or that if she wanted to create a mountain that she couldnt.

Phoenix did that with a universe.

Read the Phoenix Respect thread. Even your master now admits he was wrong and that it was indeed a universe that she had in her hands. He took the time out to read the bio entry on the situation. Please keep up.

Who the hell cares the she could do it?
Did she do it no she didn't?
I bet you didn't know that Imperiex can't be killed because he is the Big Bang and quit calling M my master you douchebag.

Originally posted by juggernaut66666
Who the hell cares the she could do it?
Did she do it no she didn't?
I bet you didn't know that Imperiex can't be killed because he is the Big Bang and quit calling M my Master you ****ing hypocrite.

You've been beaten on a point so instead of conceding or keeping quiet and moving on, you throw a tantrum.

Youre really not worth my time.

Intelligent edit

Beaten on a point? How?Show me a scan of Phoenix creating another Universe then I admit you have beaten me.

Originally posted by juggernaut66666
Who the hell cares the she could do it?
Did she do it no she didn't?
I bet you didn't know that Imperiex can't be killed because he is the Big Bang and quit calling M my master you douchebag. relax

Originally posted by juggernaut66666
Beaten on a point? How?Show me a scan of Phoenix creating another Universe then I admit you have beaten me.

By your logic if Rogue lifts a 50 ton weight, then she cant lift a 50 ton car because she wasnt shown lifting a 50 ton car on panel but a weight instead?

Get the hell outta here with that shit

Originally posted by qqqqqqq
relax

Indeed.

BTW that was WHC Phoenix not dark Phoenix so don't use her feats in this match.

Originally posted by juggernaut66666
BTW that was WHC Phoenix not dark Phoenix so don't use her feats in this match.

Dark Phoenix is just one of the many sides of Phoenix. Theyre not different beings.

This match is Dark Phoenix vs Imperiex not WHC Phoenix vs Imperiex.

Originally posted by juggernaut66666

This match is Dark Phoenix vs Imperiex not WHC Phoenix vs Imperiex.

And to that answer my previous answer still stands.



Please read and comprehend the implications before replying. You clearly didnt do that last time.

Oh in that case I can use Fernus's feats in match where Martian Manhunter is one of the characters because they are the same just Fernus is the Evil and morepowerfull side of him.
Oh please.
This is still Dark Phoenix vs Imperiex not WHC Phoenix vs Imperiex.

Edit: Care to explain how is Phoenix going to beat a Big Bang?

Originally posted by juggernaut66666
Oh in that case I can use Fernus's feats in match where Martian Manhunter is one of the characters because they are the same just Fernus is the Evil and morepowerfull side of him.
Oh please.
This is still Dark Phoenix vs Imperiex not WHC Phoenix vs Imperiex.

Did Martian Manhunter receive aid from an external source that fed him greater power during his time as Fernus, was MM empowered somehow or was Fernus just a side of MM's unleashed and brought to dominance within MM's psyche?

Im thinking its the latter. Same person physically, just a different personality of theirs taking the reins.

The answer to your question would in light of that be YES

White Crown Phoenix IS Dark Phoenix IS Phoenix. There is no physical difference. They have the same powers, the difference is the controlling personality.

jug you should stop before you get pwned or something

Originally posted by juggernaut66666


Edit: Care to explain how is Phoenix going to beat a Big Bang?

The Big Bang is how the Phoenix Force manifests at a universal level. The Big Bang is not the be all and end all of Phoenix. One of its avatars manipulated a reality at an atomic level in the palm of her hand, thereby demonstrating she was tapped into more power than was contained within that which she manipulated. Just ONE of its MANY avatars.

The Phoenix Force has the power to beat Imperiex, the Force has greater feats. That is reason enough to claim a win.

I know you maintain that these versions of Phoenix are one in the same GS, but if the thread starter wanted people to list feats from different versions of Phoenix, he would have specified so.

If a thread specifies Dark Phoenix, then I assume that only Dark Phoenix's feats are to be used.

Originally posted by Galan007
I know you maintain that these versions of Phoenix are one in the same GS, but if the thread starter wanted people to list feats from different versions of Phoenix, he would have specified so.

If a thread specifies Dark Phoenix, then I assume that only Dark Phoenix's feats are to be used.

Your logic doesnt apply when they are the same thing. If it was a case of Blue Energy Superman and i was trying to use standard Supermans feats then you would have a point.

The only differences between the Jean Phoenixes are the names and the mentality.

Phoenix wins.

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
Your logic doesnt apply when they are the same thing. If it was a case of Blue Energy Superman and i was trying to use standard Supermans feats then you would have a point.

The only differences between the Jean Phoenixes are the names and the mentality.

Phoenix wins. At this point I'm not talking about the victor of this thread...... I could honestly care less.


If a thread starter specifies a particular version of Phoenix (as is the case in this thread), then they clearly didn't mean for someone to use feats from other versions of Phoenix.


If someone makes a v.s. thread featuring Extant, and only specifies that it was normal Extant in the thread........ I'm not going to use feats from Cosmic Extant, (even though they are one in the same), because Cosmic Extant is not whom was specified in that particular thread.

See where I'm coming from?

Read the opening comment like i did and know why you've wasted your time.

Originally posted by SilverSurferFan
This is not a spite thread or anything. I am seriously wondering, after finishing Our Worlds At War, whether Imperiex would be able to take on any incarnation of the phoenix force (Jean, Rachel, etc.).

This is because, in Our Worlds at War, when Imperiex's energy was released, he unleased a big bang (the book specifically said that there were two big bangs that occured almost simultaneously) at the beginning of time. Since the Phoenix Force is believed to power the big bang also, I was wondering what would happen if the two faced each other. Thank you.

Originally posted by Galan007
At this point I'm not talking about the victor of this thread...... I could honestly care less.


If a thread starter specifies a particular version of Phoenix (as is the case in this thread), then they clearly didn't mean for someone to use feats from other versions of Phoenix.


If someone makes a v.s. thread featuring Extant, and only specifies that it was normal Extant in the thread........ I'm not going to use feats from Cosmic Extant, (even though they are one in the same), because Cosmic Extant is not whom was specified in that particular thread.

See where I'm coming from?

If Extant became Cosmic Extant through some external empowerment, then no i wouldnt even think of mentioning Cosmic Extants feats in a thread about Extant. If Extant and Cosmic Ex are exactly the same physically but just have different names and a different mentality/attitude then yes i would refer to both of their feats. Why? Because theyre exactly the same power wise, which is of course what these hypothetical match ups are judged on. NOT their mentalitys.

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
Read the opening comment like i did He says any incarnation, but also specified Dark Phoenix in the thread title.

To me he meant this to start out with the Dark Phoenix, and if that wasn't enough, move on to which of her incarnations could defeat Imperiex.

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
and know why you've wasted your time. No need to be arrogant.

I'm not your "regular debating partner".

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
Because theyre exactly the same power wise, which is of course what these hypothetical match ups are judged on. NOT their mentalitys. From what I've seen different versions of Phoenix have higher and lower feats.

Dark Phoenix was specified in the thread title, so that's what particular characters feats we should use. And if DP's feats aren't enough, then move on to other versions of Phoenix, (as the opening post seems to imply).

Originally posted by Galan007
He says any incarnation, but also specified Dark Phoenix in the thread title.

To me he meant this to start out with the Dark Phoenix, and if that wasn't enough, move on to which of her incarnations could defeat Imperiex.

No need to be arrogant.

He clarifies in his opening statement that any version could be used.

Regardless, all versions are the same except for name and personality. Personality doesnt come into it in these hypothetical versus matches, only ability. With all three being the same being, you are arguing into a deadend.


Originally posted by Galan007
I'm not your "regular debating partner".

Indeed youre not. Take it as bluntness. Thats all. Any offence was unintentional.

Originally posted by Galan007
From what I've seen different versions of Phoenix have higher and lower feats.

Dark Phoenix was specified in the thread title, so that's what particular characters feats we should use. And if DP's feats aren't enough, then move on to other versions of Phoenix, (as the opening post seems to imply).

Theres one Jean Grey. Depending on her mental state, she is referred to as either Phoenix, Dark Phoenix or The White Crown Phoenix. Phoenix is the good side, Dark is obviously the bad, the white side is Jean in balance as symbolised by the colour white which is a combination of all colours of the spectrum.

Personality doesnt feature into these matches. Once more, powerset does. In Phoenix bios you do not have multiple powersets listed because they are one and the same. Different showings are down to plot and her mental state. There is only one Jean Grey.

Dark Phoenix IS Phoenix IS White Crown Phoenix.

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
Theres one Jean Grey. Depending on her mental state, she is referred to as either Phoenix, Dark Phoenix or The White Crown Phoenix. Phoenix is the good side, Dark is obviously the bad, the white side is Jean in balance as symbolised by the colour white which is a combination of all colours of the spectrum.

Personality doesnt feature into these matches. Once more, powerset does. In Phoenix bios you do not have multiple powersets listed because they are one and the same. Different showings are down to plot and her mental state. There is only one Jean Grey.

Dark Phoenix IS Phoenix IS White Crown Phoenix.

How much power does White Crown Phoenix have as opposed to regular Phoenix and Dark???

Also, did you catch my WCP vs Flash thread??

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
Theres one Jean Grey. Depending on her mental state, she is referred to as either Phoenix, Dark Phoenix or The White Crown Phoenix. Phoenix is the good side, Dark is obviously the bad, the white side is Jean in balance as symbolised by the colour white which is a combination of all colours of the spectrum.

Personality doesnt feature into these matches. Once more, powerset does. In Phoenix bios you do not have multiple powersets listed because they are one and the same. Different showings are down to plot and her mental state. There is only one Jean Grey.

Dark Phoenix IS Phoenix IS White Crown Phoenix. I understand all of this, but as I said before, different versions of Phoenix have different feats.

When has DP held an actual Universe in her hands, and then gone on to heal that Universe?

If a certain character is specified, then we should stick to that characters feats.




On the flip side, if WPOTC is specified in a certain thread, by your standard I could use the lowest showing any version of Phoenix has ever had as evidence as to how WPOTC can be beaten, (because they're all the same).

But I would never do that because it doesn't make sense at all.

Originally posted by Galan007
I understand all of this, but as I said before, different versions of Phoenix have different feats.

When has DP held an actual Universe in her hands, and then gone on to heal that Universe?

If a certain character is specified, then we should stick to that characters feats.




On the flip side, if WPOTC is specified in a certain thread, by your standard I could use the lowest showing any version of Phoenix has ever had as evidence as to how WPOTC can be beaten, (because they're all the same).

But I would never do that because it doesn't make sense at all.

Your logic is still flawed because they have the same powerset, they are the same being, there was no external boost to take Jean between the variations. Therefore your argument really doesnt make sense.

Its like saying this matchup only includes Mohawk Storm. Whats the difference between her and standard Storm? A haircut and a punk attitude. Does that matter in a versus matchup?

The only difference between the versions is personality. The difference in showings is down to mental state and plot. Dark Phoenix doesnt heal universes because Dark Phoenix doesnt follow her role, she destroys, because its a Jean caught up in her power and out of control. Dark Phoenix eats stars and eats universes, Phoenix heals the universe, White Crown Phoenix heals the universe. Same powerset, same person, different mentality, different actions depicted on panel.

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
Your logic is still flawed because they have the same powerset, they are the same being, there was no external boost to take Jean between the variations. Therefore your argument really doesnt make sense.

Its like saying this matchup only includes Mohawk Storm. Whats the difference between her and standard Storm? A haircut and a punk attitude. Does that matter in a versus matchup?

The only difference between the versions is personality. The difference in showings is down to mental state and plot. Dark Phoenix doesnt heal universes because Dark Phoenix doesnt follow her role, she destroys, because its a Jean caught up in her power and out of control. Dark Phoenix eats stars and eats universes, Phoenix heals the universe, White Crown Phoenix heals the universe. Same powerset, same person, different mentality, different actions depicted on panel. Originally posted by Galan007
On the flip side, if WPOTC is specified in a certain thread, by your standard I could use the lowest showing any version of Phoenix has ever had as evidence as to how WPOTC can be beaten, (because they're all the same).

But I would never do that because it doesn't make sense at all.

Im outta here for today. Later!

Imperiex wins IMHO. It wouldn't be easy but he would take 7-8/10.

Sorry guys about the confusion with starting with Dark Phoenix, and then saying any incarnation. What I meant was that, first if Imperiex could take down Dark Phoenix . Then, if he could, say which incarnation could take him down (if any).

I always felt that White Crown Phoenix was made out to be stronger in the comics (feats-wise) than Dark Phoenix. Soooo, can we kind of assume that they have different power levels for this battle, based on feats alone? Thank you.

Let's put things in perspective.

Dark Phoenix fought the X-Men.

Imperiex actually "killed" and stopped Doomsday with one shot.

That alone makes him more impressive than her in combat power.

Add in teh fact he IS the Big Bang and well.........Dark Phoenix dies.

P.S.
Doomsday can take laser guns and EMPs.

phoenix wins this

I think Imperiex is entrophy incarnate... and is the big bang... but i think pf exsisted prior to big bang in other universes... so dp

Originally posted by Nikkolas
Let's put things in perspective.

Dark Phoenix fought the X-Men.

Imperiex actually "killed" and stopped Doomsday with one shot.

That alone makes him more impressive than her in combat power.

Add in teh fact he IS the Big Bang and well.........Dark Phoenix dies.

P.S.
Doomsday can take laser guns and EMPs.

You don't think the Dark Phoenix couldn't have killed the Xmen at anytime? She can eat stars but not kill the Xmen. There were two factors that prevented DP from doing so the main one being that she had just been introduced to the dark side of emotions and was enjoying herself, the second being Jean Grey fighting her from within. Phoenix has been in at least two suns, prior to her being killed by a laser and an emp, which are shit compared to suns, common sense and logic would dictate that she was made vulnerable to be killed, since she committed suicide the first time anyway. Before the Emp she told wolverine she didn't know how long the Phoenix would let her stay. "Hey I can fly into the sun and eat it, but an Emp can kill me without me allowing it so that I can do Phoenix work"