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I noticed that the GEB is used a lot in the vs. forums, but few people seem to know much about him. So here I can post some scans and feats.

"Meddlers on Earth have succeeded in awakening a terrible primordial shadow that slept in the chaos beyond Hell. Informed sources expect the Darkness to advance across the afterworld upon the Place of Lights (Heaven) itself. Consequently, everyone has chosen sides, depending on whom they expect to win"

"You mean there's doubt?"

"Grave doubt, this is no fallen Angel or Leviathan heaven faces, this is the soul of darkness itself. A complete absence of divine light."

(this line confirms the GEB >>>>> Lucifer Morningstar in power)

http://i160.photobucket.com/albums/t173/EndlessMike9/geb.jpg

"This thing's been excluded from the ordered universe since its formation"

Meaning it is outside of the Presence's creation.

http://i160.photobucket.com/albums/t173/EndlessMike9/geb1.jpg

Etrigan and other rhyming demons join the fight, knowing that the GEB threatens God's Balance.

http://i160.photobucket.com/albums/t173/EndlessMike9/geb2.jpg

Several Sorcerors, including John Constantine, Sargon, Zatanna, and her father Zatara, join their powers together to help the fight against the GEB.

http://i160.photobucket.com/albums/t173/EndlessMike9/sorcerorsvsgeb.jpg

The Phantom Stranger summons the entire heavenly host of angels to do battle against the GEB.

http://i160.photobucket.com/albums/t173/EndlessMike9/strangerangels.jpg

All of Heaven's Angels join in the fight against the GEB, however half of the demons join the GEB's side. The threat is enough to cause Angels and Demons to fight together.

http://i160.photobucket.com/albums/t173/EndlessMike9/demonsangels.jpg

The GEB appears from "The Chaos Beyond Hell", and all of the demons and other supernatural beings are shocked and cannot even omprehend its sheer size and power.

http://i160.photobucket.com/albums/t173/EndlessMike9/gebarrival.jpg

Etrigan bravely (or foolishly) charges head - on against the GEB. He defeats many of the demons allied with it, and appears right before it.

http://i160.photobucket.com/albums/t173/EndlessMike9/etriganattack.jpg
http://i160.photobucket.com/albums/t173/EndlessMike9/etriganattack1.jpg

Etrigan tries to fight the GEB but is sucked in like a pebble trying to fight the ocean.

http://i160.photobucket.com/albums/t173/EndlessMike9/etriganvsgeb1.jpg

Etrigan is chewed up and spat out by the GEB. In addition, we learn more about it.

"Before light, I was endless, without name or need of name. Then light came. Witnessing its otherness, I suffered my first knowledge of self, and all contentment fled."

"Absence of God's light, his shadow - partner, locked in endless fight".

This reveals that the GEB is in every way equal to the power of the Presence, but his opposite, who existed before Creation.

http://i160.photobucket.com/albums/t173/EndlessMike9/etriganvsgeb2.jpg

The GEB notices the sorcerors spying on it, and reacts instinctively, sending back negative energy that kills Sargon.

http://i160.photobucket.com/albums/t173/EndlessMike9/sorcerorsvsgeb1.jpg
http://i160.photobucket.com/albums/t173/EndlessMike9/sargondeath.jpg

Dr. Fate arrives, and states that if the GEB is not stopped, it will trample Heaven. Also note that the spirit of Nabu is in his helmet.

http://i160.photobucket.com/albums/t173/EndlessMike9/trampleheaven.jpg

Dr. Fate charges in and kills many of the demons on the GEB's side.

http://i160.photobucket.com/albums/t173/EndlessMike9/drfatevsgeb.jpg

Dr. Fate asks some of the demons why they sided with the GEB, and they state that it will remake the universe and they can rule it. Dr. Fate blasts them, but then is sucked up by the GEB.

http://i160.photobucket.com/albums/t173/EndlessMike9/drfatevsgeb1.jpg

Dr. Fate goes the way of Etrigan before him.

http://i160.photobucket.com/albums/t173/EndlessMike9/drfatevsgeb2.jpg

The sorcerors suffer another magical feedback which looks like it's going to kill Zatana, but her father Zatara casts a spell to sacrifice himself instead.

http://i160.photobucket.com/albums/t173/EndlessMike9/zatanazatarravsgeb.jpg
http://i160.photobucket.com/albums/t173/EndlessMike9/zataradead.jpg

All of the Angels attack the GEB at once.

http://i160.photobucket.com/albums/t173/EndlessMike9/angelsvsgeb.jpg

The Angels are swatted like flies as the Phantom Stranger stares on in horror, the most powerful angels like Metatron are less than gnats. Then the Spectre arrives.

http://i160.photobucket.com/albums/t173/EndlessMike9/angelsvsgeb1.jpg

The Spectre is at full power, and faces down the GEB.

http://i160.photobucket.com/albums/t173/EndlessMike9/GEB1.jpg

The Sorcerors attempt to assist him by sending him more power, as he grows in size and gives the thing a bear hug. However, he's in for a surprise, as what was thought to be the entire GEB before was just its thumb!

http://i160.photobucket.com/albums/t173/EndlessMike9/GEB2.jpg

The Spectre falls just like those who went before him. (Also note how the GEB refers to him as "Little Thing"

http://i160.photobucket.com/albums/t173/EndlessMike9/GEB3.jpg
http://i160.photobucket.com/albums/t173/EndlessMike9/GEB4.jpg

More to come.

Swamp Thing goes to talk to the GEB, allowing himself to be willingly absorbed.

http://i160.photobucket.com/albums/t173/EndlessMike9/swampthinggeb.jpg

Since Swamp Thing didn't come to the GEB trying to attack it, it lets him go free.

http://i160.photobucket.com/albums/t173/EndlessMike9/swampthinggeb1.jpg

Finally, the Presence himself arrives to confront the GEB.

http://i160.photobucket.com/albums/t173/EndlessMike9/gebvspresence.jpg

The Presence and the GEB reach their hands toward each other, causing fear that "everything will be destroyed".

http://i160.photobucket.com/albums/t173/EndlessMike9/gebvspresence1.jpg

As the two shake hands, all of reality is warped and remade.

http://i160.photobucket.com/albums/t173/EndlessMike9/gebvspresence2.jpg

The revelation of what the Spectre was actually fighting is a little too much for this guy:

http://i160.photobucket.com/albums/t173/EndlessMike9/gebtrueform.jpg

Now it's revealed that the GEB and Presence actually merged together, so now good and evil coexist in everything.

http://i160.photobucket.com/albums/t173/EndlessMike9/gebpresencemerged.jpg
http://i160.photobucket.com/albums/t173/EndlessMike9/gebpresencemerged1.jpg

Finally the threat is over.... for the time being.

http://i160.photobucket.com/albums/t173/EndlessMike9/cainabel.jpg

Here's a cameo appearance of the GEB in another comic (not sure which one, I found the scan on the internet) where he appears as a horseman with elk antlers.

http://i160.photobucket.com/albums/t173/EndlessMike9/GEB.jpg

Here's another cameo appearance, as the GEB shows the Spectre a "shadow" of true Hell, and then true Heaven. The GEB seems more benevolent here since it has merged with the Presence and found meaning and completeness.

http://i160.photobucket.com/albums/t173/EndlessMike9/GEB5.jpg
http://i160.photobucket.com/albums/t173/EndlessMike9/GEB6.jpg
http://i160.photobucket.com/albums/t173/EndlessMike9/GEB7.jpg
http://i160.photobucket.com/albums/t173/EndlessMike9/GEB8.jpg
http://i160.photobucket.com/albums/t173/EndlessMike9/GEB9.jpg

Someone please comment, this is my first respect thread, and I want someone to tell me how I did.

You did a remarkable job. Now we actually have something to gauge the GEB with.

It's very good, very detailed. What I reccomend is be a bit more organized, but still a great thread.

so the Great Evil Beast is really a manifestation of Lucifer Morningstar ?

Originally posted by Lord Urizen
so the Great Evil Beast is really a manifestation of Lucifer Morningstar ?
No. Where the hell did you get that idea from?

Yeah, that's kinda the opposite of what was shown. The GEB is something that's beyond comprehension, but at the same time, so simple. It's the other side. DC has created a pattern that is a picture perfect example of Ying&Yang. There can be no good, without evil. Each is defined by the other. The Presence's light cannot shine without the darkness of the GEB to contrast it with. And the GEB cannot exist without the presence to shine on it. And in each, is a piece of the other. The two are intrinsically tied to each other. For this story alone, DC has my deepest respect and admiration. And nothing Marvel has done can equal the brilliance and spiritual understanding that I was shown here.

For every evil, there is abit of good. For every good, there is a bit of evil. That's the meaning of the little dot that mars the surface of the white side, and the black side. It's a cycle, and it's meant to come full circle.


And to think, all their effort, all their warring, all their combat, and all the GEB wanted was to understand itself and make peace with the Presence.

I realize you can't have had alot to work with, but you did an excellent job. Well done, Mike. Well done.

well done. you managed to take an extremely interesting but underused and not well known character and get almost all of his appearances, and identify why each scan should give us respect for the GEB. good job.

Originally posted by Endless Mike
Here's a cameo appearance of the GEB in another comic (not sure which one, I found the scan on the internet) where he appears as a horseman with elk antlers.

http://i160.photobucket.com/albums/t173/EndlessMike9/GEB.jpg

Here's another cameo appearance, as the GEB shows the Spectre a "shadow" of true Hell, and then true Heaven. The GEB seems more benevolent here since it has merged with the Presence and found meaning and completeness.

http://i160.photobucket.com/albums/t173/EndlessMike9/GEB5.jpg
http://i160.photobucket.com/albums/t173/EndlessMike9/GEB6.jpg
http://i160.photobucket.com/albums/t173/EndlessMike9/GEB7.jpg
http://i160.photobucket.com/albums/t173/EndlessMike9/GEB8.jpg
http://i160.photobucket.com/albums/t173/EndlessMike9/GEB9.jpg
That's not the GEB.Read what it said to the Spectre.It referred to it's self as santa(satan).Spectre than over powers it in the next few pages.

let me get one thing straight...
Great Evil Beast is just as powerful as The Presence?

Originally posted by The Judge
let me get one thing straight...
Great Evil Beast is just as powerful as The Presence?

Yes. It's the opposite of the Presence.

Nice Thread Mike!

great thread!!!! I learned a lot and have new respect for DC

Originally posted by Lord Urizen
so the Great Evil Beast is really a manifestation of Lucifer Morningstar ?






Originally posted by King Kandy
No. Where the hell did you get that idea from?





Originally posted by Endless Mike
"Grave doubt, this is no fallen Angel or Leviathan heaven faces, this is the soul of darkness itself. A complete absence of divine light."

(this line confirms the GEB >>>>> Lucifer Morningstar in power)

Good thread! well done mike!

The Great Darkness is Yahweh's dark side, the one that holds the cosmos in balnce, however, don't mess up Yahweh with the Presence.
Since Yahweh has a superior, the Presence don't.

Originally posted by Endless Mike
I noticed that the GEB is used a lot in the vs. forums, but few people seem to know much about him. So here I can post some scans and feats.

"Meddlers on Earth have succeeded in awakening a terrible primordial shadow that slept in the chaos beyond Hell. Informed sources expect the Darkness to advance across the afterworld upon the Place of Lights (Heaven) itself. Consequently, everyone has chosen sides, depending on whom they expect to win"

"You mean there's doubt?"

"Grave doubt, this is no fallen Angel or Leviathan heaven faces, this is the soul of darkness itself. A complete absence of divine light."

(this line confirms the GEB >>>>> Lucifer Morningstar in power)

http://i160.photobucket.com/albums/t173/EndlessMike9/geb.jpg

"This thing's been excluded from the ordered universe since its formation"

Meaning it is outside of the Presence's creation.

http://i160.photobucket.com/albums/t173/EndlessMike9/geb1.jpg

Etrigan and other rhyming demons join the fight, knowing that the GEB threatens God's Balance.

http://i160.photobucket.com/albums/t173/EndlessMike9/geb2.jpg

Several Sorcerors, including John Constantine, Sargon, Zatanna, and her father Zatara, join their powers together to help the fight against the GEB.

http://i160.photobucket.com/albums/t173/EndlessMike9/sorcerorsvsgeb.jpg

The Phantom Stranger summons the entire heavenly host of angels to do battle against the GEB.

http://i160.photobucket.com/albums/t173/EndlessMike9/strangerangels.jpg

All of Heaven's Angels join in the fight against the GEB, however half of the demons join the GEB's side. The threat is enough to cause Angels and Demons to fight together.

http://i160.photobucket.com/albums/t173/EndlessMike9/demonsangels.jpg

The GEB appears from "The Chaos Beyond Hell", and all of the demons and other supernatural beings are shocked and cannot even omprehend its sheer size and power.

http://i160.photobucket.com/albums/t173/EndlessMike9/gebarrival.jpg

Etrigan bravely (or foolishly) charges head - on against the GEB. He defeats many of the demons allied with it, and appears right before it.

http://i160.photobucket.com/albums/t173/EndlessMike9/etriganattack.jpg
http://i160.photobucket.com/albums/t173/EndlessMike9/etriganattack1.jpg

Etrigan tries to fight the GEB but is sucked in like a pebble trying to fight the ocean.

http://i160.photobucket.com/albums/t173/EndlessMike9/etriganvsgeb1.jpg

Etrigan is chewed up and spat out by the GEB. In addition, we learn more about it.

"Before light, I was endless, without name or need of name. Then light came. Witnessing its otherness, I suffered my first knowledge of self, and all contentment fled."

"Absence of God's light, his shadow - partner, locked in endless fight".

This reveals that the GEB is in every way equal to the power of the Presence, but his opposite, who existed before Creation.

http://i160.photobucket.com/albums/t173/EndlessMike9/etriganvsgeb2.jpg

The GEB notices the sorcerors spying on it, and reacts instinctively, sending back negative energy that kills Sargon.

http://i160.photobucket.com/albums/t173/EndlessMike9/sorcerorsvsgeb1.jpg
http://i160.photobucket.com/albums/t173/EndlessMike9/sargondeath.jpg

Dr. Fate arrives, and states that if the GEB is not stopped, it will trample Heaven. Also note that the spirit of Nabu is in his helmet.

http://i160.photobucket.com/albums/t173/EndlessMike9/trampleheaven.jpg

Dr. Fate charges in and kills many of the demons on the GEB's side.

http://i160.photobucket.com/albums/t173/EndlessMike9/drfatevsgeb.jpg

Dr. Fate asks some of the demons why they sided with the GEB, and they state that it will remake the universe and they can rule it. Dr. Fate blasts them, but then is sucked up by the GEB.

http://i160.photobucket.com/albums/t173/EndlessMike9/drfatevsgeb1.jpg

Dr. Fate goes the way of Etrigan before him.

http://i160.photobucket.com/albums/t173/EndlessMike9/drfatevsgeb2.jpg

The sorcerors suffer another magical feedback which looks like it's going to kill Zatana, but her father Zatara casts a spell to sacrifice himself instead.

http://i160.photobucket.com/albums/t173/EndlessMike9/zatanazatarravsgeb.jpg
http://i160.photobucket.com/albums/t173/EndlessMike9/zataradead.jpg

All of the Angels attack the GEB at once.

http://i160.photobucket.com/albums/t173/EndlessMike9/angelsvsgeb.jpg

The Angels are swatted like flies as the Phantom Stranger stares on in horror, the most powerful angels like Metatron are less than gnats. Then the Spectre arrives.

http://i160.photobucket.com/albums/t173/EndlessMike9/angelsvsgeb1.jpg

The Spectre is at full power, and faces down the GEB.

http://i160.photobucket.com/albums/t173/EndlessMike9/GEB1.jpg

The Sorcerors attempt to assist him by sending him more power, as he grows in size and gives the thing a bear hug. However, he's in for a surprise, as what was thought to be the entire GEB before was just its thumb!

http://i160.photobucket.com/albums/t173/EndlessMike9/GEB2.jpg

The Spectre falls just like those who went before him. (Also note how the GEB refers to him as "Little Thing"

http://i160.photobucket.com/albums/t173/EndlessMike9/GEB3.jpg
http://i160.photobucket.com/albums/t173/EndlessMike9/GEB4.jpg

More to come.

Good job

Excellent.

I remember the first time I was reading that issue, and found myself knotted up in tension and fear. Alan Moore had structured this year-long journey of Swamp Thing, right up to the Great Evil Beast, to parallel exactly what was going on in Crisis On Infinite Earths - happening at the same time. Instead of Monitor & Anti-Monitor, it was the Presence & the GEB. And Swampie gives it the insight it needed. Good job.

Lucifer pays verbal respect to the GEB:

http://i151.photobucket.com/albums/s132/Erik_Magnus_Lensherr/Lucifer18.jpg

Scan thanks to Erik-Lensherr

Neat thread.
Which series did this guy appear in?

Swamp Thing

DC sux!!!!!

Originally posted by UKR
DC sux!!!!!

Don't spam. If it happens again, it'll be an official warning, which lead quickly to bans from the site. You're new, and it would be good if that didn't happen, eh? Thanks in advance.

Very impressive.

what's impressive the thread or UKR getting owned by Digi

I would say my statement is mutually inclusive...

niiice!

Awesome thread Mike.

Excellent thread.

Here is more info about The Beast and it not merging with God The Presence. This is in DC The Demon 51 1994. That is Merlin running around in Hell talking to Jason Blood about his visit to the underworld.


http://img156.imageshack.us/img156/4382/ag220000kf2.jpg
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http://img185.imageshack.us/my.php?image=ag220001oj9.jpg

http://img381.imageshack.us/my.php?image=ag220002hy8.jpg

That .. certainly doesn't make any sense in relationship to how Alan Moore presented the story, how the conflict was resolved and what the aftermath was.
Unless, it is also a metaphor, seeing as how hell is was mentioned as 'heaven's shadow reflection' or something of that sort, and since the 'Light' is located in heaven, the 'Dark', the 'Shadow' must also be presented in hell, though they aren't strictly bonded to a location, since they are everywhere.

How doesn't it fit in? It is resolved for the time being the Phantom Stranger said as they both gave a small piece of each other to the other. I'm beginning to wonder if there is another war in the spiritual realm on the way and if anything could, Final Crisis could trigger it, time will tell.

Originally posted by kevdude
How doesn't it fit in? It is resolved for the time being the Phantom Stranger said as they both gave a small piece of each other to the other. I'm beginning to wonder if there is another war in the spiritual realm on the way and if anything could, Final Crisis could trigger it, time will tell.

Because in Alan Moore's story, they actually did merge and change everything.
"They're .. they're clasping! Flowing .. running together .. Everything swirling .. Everyone falling .."

http://i151.photobucket.com/albums/s132/Erik_Magnus_Lensherr/th_35-Page34.jpg

"Swamp Thing: They are both gone.
Phantom Stranger: No. Not gone. The light and shade are still everywhere about us..
..
Phantom Stranger: Happened ? Nothing has happened. Everything has happened. Can't you feel it ? Everywhere things look the same, but the feeling .. the feeling is different."

http://i151.photobucket.com/albums/s132/Erik_Magnus_Lensherr/th_37-Page36.jpg

When the Great Evil Beast merged with the Light, he essentially merged with Creation aswell, thus the statements above, with everything being different. The metaphor he used afterwards is a symbol of their coexisting, not literally each of them throwing a piece of eachother at the other one

Thus why it's impossible for the Great Evil Beast to be only in hell, because he was actually cast across creation along with the Ultimate Light, thus my point of view about that being a metaphor, or possibly just the 'rumours' those from hell heard, or just flat-out the writer being wrong.

That is not them merging into a new being if that's what your meaning, they are embracing each other and giving a piece to the other for a stalemate for the time being. In another Swamp Thing 2 years after the war shows the Phantom Stranger visiting Heaven and see The Light and The Darkness still embrace, in 94 the scans the Darkness eventually left Heaven. You can see a piece of the Yin and Yang in the other.

It is them merging, thus the statements used during and after their 'confrontation', thus why everything was different afterwards.
In what issue does the Phantom Stranger see them still embracing ?

They never merged and shaped into a new being. Everything was different because they gave a piece to each other to understand each other better and a new way of looking at things, it was either that or fight. I was wrong about it being 2 years lol it was the next comic ST 51, I'm planning on buying it soon. Here is a timeline of ST and Hellblazer history and shows what I'm saying.

http://www.swampthingroots.com/timeline_06.html

I have the comic, and nothing of that sort is mentioned or shown. What Phantom Stranger does in the issue is point out what I already mentioned: "The spheres about us have subtley changed since the cataclysmic meeting of dark and light".

Edit: I think I know what the issue is. I'll get back on this after I get it.

I found the appearance.
I don't think that they are actually holding hands like it was put there, but it's mostly just a metaphor, a symbol of balance between them and the effect it has on creation, it's how the Phantom Stranger and Etrigan percieve that.

http://i151.photobucket.com/albums/s132/Erik_Magnus_Lensherr/th_LightDarkHand.jpg

I am reconsidering the relationship between Yahweh and Light/Darkness, since it is possible that the conclusion I arrived at reading only the main-arc was incorrect.

It looks like Etrigan took them through a time portal back to when they merged, PS says "this critical moment"

Also, in the Etrigan issue it says "Once the conflict ended, it settled itself on the plains beyond Goriah's Deep and became the Sunless Sea", which obviously didn't happen, since the conflict ended with them 'flowing' into eachother and changing everything, not with the Great Evil Beast leaving in hell.

I think what I said about the Etrigan issue is correct.

No they did not merge, that is no where in the comics or scans shown. We can see PS looking on one side to the Beast the other is God. Obisdian, The Shade and others get there power from The Shadowlands aka The Sunless Sea.