Batdude's Tourney Final!!!

batdude123

Scoobless and Digi's opening statement:

So, if they start complaining about Thor’s body x50 + Surfer x25 being above Skyfather, it’s obviously just to try to sway voters. So in other words, this is all completely legit.
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Recap:
1. Warlock + Surfer x25 + Morg/FL + Vibranium/Adamantium Armor

2. Thor x50 + Surfer x25 + Armor + Cpt. Universe Powers

That’s it in a nutshell. Backed by concrete evidence and scans at every turn, though they’ll no doubt try (and fail) to convince you otherwise.

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Part II. The Battle

Please note that A. B. and C. are things our characters can do at base levels. The majority of our battle strategy doesn’t even involve the power meshing. We can beat them normal, the power mesh stuff is just for insurance.

A. Warlock’s Invisibility
Just like last round, Warlock will be utterly undetectable:
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He stands outside the realm of chaos and order. No cosmic awareness or other means of detection can find him until he strikes. He is even an enigma to abstract entities:
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The amusing part about this is, their team will be expecting 3 opponents (from past rounds) and they’ll be all “WTF!” when they only see Thor, and can’t detect Warlock.

B. Board Control
This time, we’ll be using Warlock’s invisibility for more than just a surprise attack.

The Keeper is 616 Surfer. His timeline diverges in the future into a different timeline/universe, but he retains all experiences of 616 Surfer, which includes the soul-link with Warlock.

Warlock can usurp control of Surfer’s board from him:
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And BW/DC have conveniently been creating boards for us to use. The following is a quote from their round 2 writeup:
“He will then use his matter manipulation skills to increase the mass of the boards by tenfold. After doing that, he will fill them all with really sharp quantum spikes. How sharp, you ask? Well, as Keeper has the sight of All-Star Superman and Silver Surfer combined...he will make them atom thin. They are now capable of slicing through virtually anything. Think Wolverine's claws or Wonder Woman's sword. The boards are naturally under Keeper's total control. The power he shared with his other team-mates also enables them to control the boards if they wish so.”

Provided they make them again, these are now OUR weapons, under Warlock’s control. And since he is undetectable, he can sit back idly and control the boards that can “slice through virtually anything”.

So whatever they’re doing as soon as the fight starts, this f*cks it up a ton, and probably outright kills them.

C. Blocking Black Alice

In this fight with Juggernaut (posted below), Thor makes Mjolnir spin around the area they were fighting. Added to the mystical enchantments of Mjolnir, this cuts off Juggernaut’s connection to his magical source, Cytorrak. Thor proceeds to stomp him.

Using this technique, Thor can block magic that is coming in from an outside source. And all BA does is exactly that. Mjolnir can detect magical energies, so Thor will know what he’s dealing with and act accordingly:
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…also keep in mind that the 60-second time limit for Mjolnir being away from Thor no longer applies. That was only when he was co-habiting a mortal body, and would revert to human after 60 seconds. That hasn’t been the case for years.

Thor can also fly using the Cpt. Universe powers, so he won’t be immobile while this happens.

So.

Thor makes Mjolnir spin around the battlefield with this technique. It cuts off BA from any outside source she is tapping to fuel her power (i.e. all of it).

Everything they do with Black Alice – EVERYTHING – is made void by this. Loki’s telepathy stuff, Durok, Sentinel, Nightshade, other stuff they might think of, etc. All gone. I’m guessing this eliminates probably half of their prep, maybe more. Either way, they’re in a ton of trouble.

D. Power Mesh

Forget Keeper, forget any of the others, forget the power meshes you’ve seen up to this point.

Thor is now the most powerful person we’ve seen in the tournament. By far. And Warlock isn’t far behind.

And let’s not forget the vibranium/adamantium armor we both have. IF they manage to get through the armor (they won’t), they’re still dealing with Thor x50 + Surfer x25.

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Part III. Overview
1. We’re controlling their boards, and using them against them.
2. Thor can block all of BA’s power with ease. Her powers are useless in this fight.
3. We have armor that’s as durable and indestructible as anything in comic-dom.
4. Notice we haven’t even discussed Warlock attacking just yet. Digi will deal with that soon enough, but we have a clear advantage even without it. Warlock’s a match for any 1 of their team with his upgrade, possibly any 2, especially because all of their Black Alice enhancements from prep are gone.
5. Between Thor’s enhanced strength/speed/reflexes, their boards attacking them, and Warlock’s invisibility, our plan will work completely. We’ll have the time and power to do all of this easily. Their plan, not so much.
6. Cpt. Universe Thor. Nuf said.

Respect the God Squad!

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batdude123

DarkCrawler and Blair Wind's opening statements:

(Note: This prep post will be cut up into five segments. It is well over the 10,000 character limit, so 1 of BW's 10 total posts will be cut to 9 posts.)

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And finally:

DigiMark007

A quick thank you to BD and the judges, and good luck to DC/BW

Digi Post #1

First I'll post my initial reaction to BW/DC's writeup. I also have a prepared post that will follow.

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Reactions to BW/DC's Writeup:

HA!

Anyway, that's the sound of me content in the knowledge that they use 1 of Blair's 10 posts to tell you stuff they won't be using anyway.

Probably 3 of those 5 posts deals with Black Alice going ape-sh*t with power-meshing. Impressive stuff. But also pointless. See our writeup for the scans, but Thor will be blocking ALL of that by making Mjolnir spin around the battlefield.

So basically, everything they just did in prep with BA will be gone as soon as the fight starts. So A+ on creativity guys. But it's back to the drawing board.

...also, please note that they Did make surfboards with quantum spikes on them. Those are ours. wink

Anyway, on to the other stuff...

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Prepared Post:

A. Yes He Can
In the following scans, an alien creature that absorbs energy defeats Gladiator easily at his base level. Then he absorbs and bonds with the Uni-Power.

Then Surfer defeats him.
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What does this tell us? Surfer > Alien w/Uni-Power > Alien > Gladiator. Meaning, it tells us that in and of itself, the Uni-Power isn’t more powerful than the Silver Surfer.

Thus, it’s not beyond SP’s ability to become.

B. Cpt. Universe

Marvel’s official bio for Cpt. Universe: http://www.marveldirectory.com/individuals/c/captainuniverse.htm

There’s quite a few powers the Uni-Power endows upon the wearer, but here’s some important stuff:
“The Uni-Power can be manipulated by each Captain Universe in a variety of ways, dependent upon each recipient's imagination and strength. The Uni-Power amplifies strength about fifty times Thus if a person can normally lift (press) 150 pounds, he or she would now be able to lift approximately 7,500 pounds. Each Captain Universe is also granted the ability to fly by harnessing the Uni-Power's energy to generate antigravitions.”

Strength x50, flight, energy projection, etc. Thor will be getting all of that.

C. Cpt. Uni-Thor

So Thor has that massive upgrade.

And he has the adamantium/vibranium armor made from the alloy in Cap’s shield.

And he still has Mjolnir (at its normal power level)

And he has the power of 25 Surfers coursing through him, with knowledge of Surfer’s power due to the soul-link with Warlock (who has previously soul-linked with Surfer).

So he’s easily the best brawler in the entire tournament now. And any energy they try to bring, if it’s enough to affect him at all (not likely) he can simply do this:
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Thor is officially unstoppable.

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D. Warlock

Warlock will begin the fight completely undetectable, as described in our writeup.

1. He will, like a conductor leading an orchestra, be silently maneuvering our opponents’ boards against them. Keeper, as stated before, is simply 616 Surfer who was displaced into a different timeline in the future. He retains all the experience of 616 Surfer, including the soul-link with Warlock, which allows him to wrest control of Surfer’s board. And they won’t even know who is doing it.
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2. Since Thor’s duties involve cutting off BA from her magical source (easily done) and pinning AS Supes with Mjolnir, Warlock’s charge will be The Keeper.

Keeper is skilled and powerful, but we both have the power of Surfer many times over (25). His board will already be attacking him, Warlock can attack him with his own board if he wants, and Warlock has a clear advantage in power as well as his armor.

This fight with Drax impressed even Surfer, and is one among many examples of Warlock’s skill and power:
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And a magnificent display of Warlock’s stealth and deception skills, both of which he’ll have ample opportunity to display since he’ll be undetectable to start the fight:
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Oh, and a display of Surfer’s power (and Morg’s, for that matter):
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…in this fight with Morg, just the residual energy from the fight was destroying planets. And they weren’t even directly attacking the planets!

And that’s 1 Surfer. Warlock and Thor have that multiplied by 25.

Warlock, armed with this power, is the architect, mastermind, and overseer of our plan, and neither Keeper nor anyone else on the team will be able to stop him.

E. Matchups

We will, of course, be choosing matchups again due to Warlock’s invisibility, the fact that their boards will be attacking them, thus impeding their movement, and Thor’s sheer power, as well as the speed of both of us.

F. Skyfather?

For those who don’t know, the limit for power meshing in the tournament is “Skyfather”, which is of course a vague term.

However, Odin has destroyed galaxies before, and this isn’t considered PIS for him. He may be high-end Skyfather level, but if that is the high end, then even the low end is far beyond anything we’re doing.

Herald level people can, if they’re lucky, destroy planets. But Thor’s strength x50 + 25 Surfers, while beastly, is still so far below galaxy-destroying that it’s not even close.

We showed DC’s own words to back us up with this, and even his assessment that Odin is “at least 100x” greater than Surfer is a vast understatement. But even if it wasn’t an understatement, we’re still well under the limits for the tourney’s power-mesh limits.

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Final Thoughts:
1. They won’t be able to find an answer for our magic block of Black Alice’s power, because there isn’t an answer.
2. They also won’t be able to counter the board-trick of Warlock.
3. We have them slaughtered in terms of sheer power, simply because all the power meshing they do with BA will be gone shortly after the fight starts.

batdude123

Alright, Newjak is replacing Black Adam as a judge for this match.

DigiMark007

Unofficial Post:

For the sake of those who might be judging for the first time, since the links weren't posted:

Digi: Adam Warlock
Scoob: Space Phantom
Both: Thor

....mainly for the SP bio, so that they can understand his powers if they don't already.

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DarkCrawler

DarkCrawler’s Post #1.

Debating for the characters All-Star Superman and The Keeper

Good luck to opposing team, and thanks to Batdude and judges for participating and allowing this match to be. big grin

Soooooo, here it is. The finals have started and we have seen the plans of other team.

What is extremely glaring though, is the misconceptions they have made about lot of things. I’m going address them in my first post.

1. The stealth of our team. – AKA why their whole battle plan went down the drain.

This is something that tells me that Digi and Scoobs did not read our plan very thoroughly. In the first and final moments of prep, our team was shielded from every possible form of detection, and I mean everything. Our psychic shielding is to such degree that even the cosmic awareness of entities like Galactus and Eon can’t notice us.

Think about it.

Galactus, the MASTER of power cosmic and the cosmic awareness that comes with it isn’t able to notice us. Eon, the Lord of Time, who has basically the most powerful cosmic awareness in the history of Marvel Universe isn’t able to notice us.

This, however was not our whole stealth. We ALSO had Keeper create a shield that redirects every form of energy from us. As the master of Quantum Bands, who is able to control ALL energy types in the universe, he literally did so, and thus we can’t be seen through any sort of sight. The vacuum we created around us also made it so that we will be completely silent too.

As the last touch of our stealth, we shrunk down to the size of an atom.

There is no way, no way for the other team to notice us. And we can teleport all around the battlefield. So the hammer plan, the board control – nothing will work on us. We will be deciding the matchups and when the battle starts. However, even if we were completely unshielded, their attacks would STILL be completely ineffective. Here is why.

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2. Warlock and the boards.

This was one of the biggest things that were…well, wrong. They say that because of the Soul Link Warlock and Keeper have shared, Warlock can control them. This is true….IF Keeper would let him. He doesn’t. They have zero proof that Warlock could control the board over Keeper – the boards are part of HIM. The ONLY scan they posted to “prove” this is where Warlock controls board over Surfer…WHO IS UNCONCIOUS!

The sheer idea that Warlock would somehow just usurp the control from Keeper is just ridicolous. They have nothing to prove this. Warlock may do something like this if Keeper isn’t paying any attention to them, but while he is? Not going to work. The boards will not just leave Keeper “like that”. As long as we are paying attention to them, stay in our control. I give you straight quote from Surfer himself.
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“But the board and I are one, formed by Galactus by the same source. Though the Stranger’s powers are awesome, I can use the power cosmic to recreate a part of me!”

Warlock isn’t taking over. By a mile. As cool as Warlock is, he isn’t taking over the boards by their rightful creator and owner.

However, by attempting this, Warlock just has revealed himself to us. As Infinity Gauntlet #6 shows us, Nebula notices Warlock as soon as he touches the Gauntlet:
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In THIS particular case, they were foolish enough to actually try to take over a part of Keeper. Which means as soon as Warlock tries to do that (and fails in it), we know where he is. And what is even better, is that like they so graciously reminded us, Keeper and Warlock have shared souls, so we KNOW he has such ability.

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3. The magic-negating hammer whirlwind.

This one isn’t going to work either. I give you a hint.
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That is Champion of the Universe, teleporting the hammer away easily. Now, as you know, in the prep time, we gave our characters insanely potent teleporting ability.
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And well, like you saw, Thor’s hammer can be teleported away effortlessly.

So, as soon as the hammer leaves Thor’s hand (or even if it is in Thor’s hand), any of our characters (Let’s say All-Star Superman) will just teleport it to the edge of the universe. We all know that the hammer will return, but it takes it second to get back to Thor’s hand even from relatively small distance, we will be sending it trillions of light years away. Even IF it would come back in time, we will just teleport it again. And again. And…you get the idea.

With the reaction speeds our teams possess, this will be effortless, and there is no way the other team will block it.

So, through the whole duration of the battle, Thor will not possess his hammer. This not only means that he will be severely weakened, but also means that our magic buffs will stay.

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4. The Uni-Power.

This one was a nice idea, I give them that.

There is still misconception here too…they seem to think that Uni-Power increases EVERYTHING in the host fifty times…

When in fact, the bio they THEMSELVES provided states that it increased NOTHING MORE then strength!
http://www.marveldirectory.com/individuals/c/captainuniverse.htm

So no, we won’t be dealing with ALL their powers being fifty times more powerful, just their strength. The other powers MIGHT somewhat increase when they are combined with the Uni-Power-given abilities, but strength is the only one that actually increases FIFTY times. The bio they themselves posted states this very clearly, and so do comics. Spider-Man, for example was far from being fifty times better in all his abilities.

This also means that Adam Warlock will get half of Surfer’s power...and unless the Uni-Power suddenly can split in half (and it can’t…), he isn’t getting any upgraded strength either. And Thor also has only 25x Surfer’s strength, and half of his other power combined with Uni-Power.

And strength alone isn’t enough to win this tourney, and their extra powers we already possess…to greater degree (as shown by their own scans from Captain Universe: Silver Surfer, Power Cosmic >>> Uni-Power).

I am not ending here, though. It is obvious fact that Uni-Power CAN be absorbed from their hosts, and this has been done multiple times. Here are few just from the top of my head:
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In the second one, the guy’s control over energy kept Uni-Power imprisoned. Our team just happens to have the best energy manipulator in the tourney (one of the best in the comics overall)…sentient energy or not, it is still energy and can be absorbed and controlled by a wielder of the Quantum Bands and Power Cosmic.

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5. Summary

So.

We are so stealthed that the other team can’t detect us in any way. We will choose when to attack.

Adam Warlock definitely isn’t controlling our boards over Keeper. Simply impossible.

Mjolnir can’t negate anything because it will get teleported away to the far reaches of the universe.

The Uni-Power doesn’t enhance ALL the powers by 50x. Keeper can also absorb the Uni-Power (in this case Space Phantom) with his insanely superior energy manipulation powers.

Only edge the other team has is strength, really, which doesn’t mean much in this battle.

All energy attacks done to us will only make us stronger.

In next posts we will show some of the different ways we can take the other team out…

Just the short summary of what powers exactly our characters have:

Keeper has:

Power Cosmic (70% Silver Surfer’s powers), Quantum Bands, The powers of All-Star Superman, The powers of Captain Marvel and Black Adam Uru skin and hammer. Energy powers from Sentinel, Dargo, Nightshade, and Loki. Telepathy, telekinesis, teleportation.
Netherium bracers and gloves Quantum-spiked board.

All-Star Superman has:

Power Cosmic (15% Silver Surfer’s powers) The powers of All-Star Superman, Powers of Durok, The powers of Captain Marvel and Black Adam, Uru skin and hammer. Energy powers from Sentinel, Dargo, Nightshade, Keeper and Loki. Telepathy, telekinesis, teleportation.
Netherium bracers and gloves Quantum-spiked board.

Black Alice has:

Power Cosmic (15% Silver Surfer’s powers) The powers of All-Star Supermam, Uru skin and hammer. Energy powers from Sentinel, Dargo, Nightshade, Keeper and Loki. Telepathy, telekinesis, teleportation. Netherium bracers and gloves Quantum-spiked board. Powers of Wonder Woman

Blair Wind

Blair Wind: Post #2
Good luck to you guys smile

I will be dealing with the individual battle's taking place, and answering any questions that might arise from the other's plan of attack.

BATTLE PLAN

The picosecond the battle starts our characters search the area around them to detect the opposing team. Once found, through the use of different detection systems (ie Superman's supervision, Keepers QB), which should take another picosecond, we take the first shot. Now the other team would have you believe that they got to us first. How is my question? Lets remember that we are tiny, invisible, and telepathically undetectable. That includes our surfboards btw. They cannot get to us, and that is a fact.

We teleport to them, and we send the tiny surfboards at light speed into the open parts of the bodies (nose, ears). We then have them expand and in that instant lash out with a telepathic and telekinetic blast (which if you all recall is Surfer's best x 1000). With that, we teleport Thor's hammer as far away as we can.

With the other team reeling from the mental outburst and anguish, we begin to systematically take down the other team.

Keeper vs Adam Warlock

Our massive telekinetic/telepathy attack (Surfer’s best x 1000) has confused the opposing team. Even if only for a millisecond, it still served the purpose, and our team has the surprise attack when they grow from their small size right next to the opposing team. They did not see us, hear us, sense us or smell us, so it would be impossible for them to retaliate in time. Keeper will engage Warlock (since he tried to take control of the boards growing out of Thor's head, since Digi wants those boards so bad)

Now, they have given Warlock the powers of heralds. This is dubious in nature, as we do not have evidence that the other heralds can even give powers like Surfer can. However, what is the strongest point of Heralds? What is the strongest power of Warlock besides strategy? Energy attacks. What did we make our characters immune to in the prep? That’s right, energy. ANY energy attack Warlock makes towards Keeper in ANY way will be absorbed and used by him.

If he uses telepathy? We are immune to it too. He tries to trap us in any way; it won’t help because Keeper can teleport not only between distances but between dimensions too and can turn intangible or atom sized. Keeper is impossible to trap. Is he going to slug it out then? He’s strong, but Keeper has the combined strength of All-Star Superman and Captain Marvel and can enhance his own strength with power cosmic or the quantum bands if needed. Warlock isn’t taking us out in h2h battle, with or without the Cpt America shield amour.

I dare say that Keeper beats him in energy attacks too. He has half a dozen different magical blasts inside his body, a cool Uru hammer and they will be amplified through the Netherium equipment he wears. He has power cosmic, Quantum Bands, and Superman's powers.

Keeper, going at light speed, unleashes another mind shattering mental blast at Warlock, which he continually uses against him. Using the QB's he quickly creates constructs around his limbs to hold him in place. Any energy that Warlock tries to give off will be absorbed by Keeper's armour. And the energy he does not give off? He still gets absorbed

Warlock will fall to Keeper’s superior mental powers and energy absorbing abilities, and there is very little he can do to hurt him.

To end it all off, Keeper will take one of the surfboards that exploded Thor's brain, and stick it onto Warlock, in the same manner that Surfer did to Captain Marvel . The board will act as a forcefield, that he quickly disintegrates into separate molecules. All this should happen at the speed of light, and our reaction time >>>> theirs.

Black Alice/Superman vs Space Phantom/Thor

Now, as DC has explained Thor's hammer has been teleported away. Continually, and even in the scan, Champion said he would not deny it its course (which we can infer means he could have if he so wanted to)

Meaning we are dealing with a hammerless Thor (and if the judges accept SP turning into the Uni Power, a Uni powered thor)

The fact of the matter is that it really does not matter. How is that you might ask?? With Black Alice having turned into Wonder Woman, and having that nifty magic lasso that has no limited length, she teleports herself and the lasso onto Thor who is still reeling from the attack

Now besides having to tell the truth, the lasso can also force someone to revert to their natural state, as can be shown with the Martian Manhunter or other such examples as devolving the Shark. The natural question would be, does Black Alice get a lasso just like Wonder Woman's? Of course she does smile

What does that mean exactly? *It means that SP will revert to being just that, the Space Phantom with no additional powers, not the Uni Power or anything else he may want to become. The moment, nay the picosecond that takes places, Black Alice punches him in the face. Wicked Hard evil face

Remember that she of course has AS Superman's strength/speed, Wonder Woman's strength/speed, AND the Power Cosmic. His head will come clean off his body. She will then blast him with her hammer with all the energy she can muster. He will be nothing more than ashes.

Now that SP has been taken care of, and that Thor is now depowered again, and ensnared in the magic lasso, DC will touch on what AS Superman will do to Thor.

*This method of attack had been approved by batdude for AM and SP. He dies a quick death. Also if you complain about it being a type of telepathy it does not fall into the two banned categories of telepathy:
A. There is to be no mind controlling the opposition to make them fight for your side.
B. Also, there is to be no mind controlling the opposition to make them attack themselves

Conclusion

In conclusion, we have the advantage of first strike, which we use to full potential. We then systematically broke down the other team by (DC will deal with Thor), siphoning Warlocks energy and trapping him in our boards, and reverting Space Phantom back to his natural form then bursting his head open with a quintillion forced punch.

Scans

Quasar siphoning Warlocks energy
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Trapping in board
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Dissolving Board
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Wonder Woman compelling Martian Manhunter to revert to his true form
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Black Alice knows what WW's lasso can do, and has a copy with the same powers
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Questions and Notes

Space Phantom?
Moving on the questions phase of my post, lets take a look at the bio you so kindly gave us of Space Phantom. It says, and I quote, "Superhuman physical powers: Ability to assume the appearance and powers of virtually any single mortal being"

Now lets look at Cpt. Universe bio: "a special kind of energy that endows an individual with a host of superhuman powers....The Uni Power is a manifestation of the Enigma Force...The Uni Power appears to be a floating globule of luminescent energy"

Who here actually believes that Space Phantom can become the Uni Power?? I REALLY doubt that he can. Not to nit pick or anything, but it just does not sound plausible.

DC will discuss some facts about the Uni Power if for some reason the judges believe that you will be able to turn into it. Which they should not.

Other Heralds?
On that note of things not being plausible, I have no problem with you turning into SS and giving people powers. But other heralds that we have no conclusive prove if they can give other's powers or not? Sorry, but it is not happening.

Cpt. Americas Shield type armour
This is to note that all they did was, and I quote, "creates body armor for both Warlock and himself that is nigh-indestructible and will absorb blows and energy from our opponent." This does not include nose plugs and ear muffs I am assuming. This means that ear drums, the brain, and any other organ is as soft as it was before.

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Credibility of their battle plan

You guys have a good battle plan, kudos to you. However, I see a few flaws that logically do not add up.

Warlock and Boards?
DC will talk about Warlock and his trying to take over the boards. Which would not work anyways, since they just popped into your team's brains.

Blocking Black Alice?
Moving on to Thor, lets see how your plan of attack does not stack up to what you have going on there.

How did Thor determine that Jugg's power was magical in nature? Here, I will remind you:
http://img519.imageshack.us/my.php?image=magicblock1nz7.jpg

Do you plan to blast us when you cannot even see us, detect, or even feel us? When we get the first attack, and it takes you for a loop? Especially when our first attack teleports your hammer light years away from us? Nothing that Thor does will effect us, considering he cannot DO anything to effect us.

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Final Thoughts
1. We are undetectable
2. We took the first strike
3. The hammer is gone
4. Keeper engages Warlock
5. The lasso takes care of SP, and depowers Thor
6. Trinity of Power won big grin

DigiMark007

Digi's Post #2

Characters: Thor/Warlock

General Thoughts:

A. Microverse
Well, it's a fun little tactic (pun intended), but A. Warlock's still undetectable, and "Beyond Reality" >> any cosmic awareness they might have. So tiny or not, they can't detect us until we find them and strike. Second, we both have the power of Surfer, who has microscopic vision. It's well within our power to detect them, even in this form.

B. DNA?!
Here's where we question the hell out of their dubious plan.

Can Keeper manipulate molecules? Sure. Can AS Supes make his power-potion? Yes. But they're having you believe they'll be doing it in about 10 seconds in prep time. Here's the problem:
It took AS Supes days to make 1 potion, he had access to his lab and robot (who did more work than Supes did), and he had to specifically design it for the DNA structure of a human being (Lois). The formula would need tweaked heavily for anyone else, and Surfer's (Keeper) DNA pattern is so wildly different than a human being that it would be nearly impossible to recombinate the formula for him without the proper equipment, and with only 20 minutes.

I'd like to remind everyone of a recent Annihilation issue where they couldn't make heads-or-tails of Firelord's biological makeup because it was so cosmically different from anything else in the universe.

So.

It's not happening. Not in 20 minutes. Not without the proper equipment. And definitely not for Keeper.

Firelord:
http://img403.imageshack.us/my.php?image=22bg2.jpg

Formula Scans, where Supes needs tons of time and resources:
http://img507.imageshack.us/img507/6117/page11ct5.th.jpg http://img518.imageshack.us/img518/6169/page14cp0.th.jpg http://img518.imageshack.us/img518/4298/page21nd3.th.jpg

Moving on....

C. Selective Memory
Both of our guys have the power to teleport, both will be armed with Surfer's senses (including the microscopic vision). Warlock is undetectable until he strikes, and the magic-block will be working (more on this later).

So their plan of entirely having the initiative is completely erroneous.

D. Power Struggle
We simply have more power than them. Their attempt to regain all of their Black Alice stuff is necessary, because they'd need all of it to even have a chance, but all it would do is close the gap between them and us.

Not that it matters, because it's gone anyway (again, I'll deal with the magic-block in a bit).

....

I'll be responding more to DC than Blair for this post, simply because it seems like DC's points and scans laid the foundation for BW.

Originally posted by DarkCrawler
1. The stealth of our team. – AKA why their whole battle plan went down the drain.

This is something that tells me that Digi and Scoobs did not read our plan very thoroughly. In the first and final moments of prep, our team was shielded from every possible form of detection, and I mean everything. Our psychic shielding is to such degree that even the cosmic awareness of entities like Galactus and Eon can’t notice us.

Like I said earlier, Warlock's invisibility goes beyond normal methods of shielding. "Beyond reality and causality" is a bit >> telepathic shielding, invisibility, etc. So as much as they'd like you to think they're more undetectable than us, Mr. Outside-the-realm-of-Chaos-and-Order has them trumped.

And once Thor throws his hammer, nearly all of that will be gone anyway.

Originally posted by DarkCrawler
As the last touch of our stealth, we shrunk down to the size of an atom.

There is no way, no way for the other team to notice us. And we can teleport all around the battlefield. So the hammer plan, the board control – nothing will work on us.

Microverse? Already dealt with it. Microscopic vision + our own undetectability = owned.

Teleport around the battlefield? Cool, so can we.

And how will teleporting around the battlefield negate the magic-block of Thor? It's encircling such a wide area of the battlefield that nowhere you go will matter, unless you want to BFR yourselves.

Originally posted by DarkCrawler
2. Warlock and the boards.

This was one of the biggest things that were…well, wrong. They say that because of the Soul Link Warlock and Keeper have shared, Warlock can control them. This is true….IF Keeper would let him. He doesn’t. They have zero proof that Warlock could control the board over Keeper – the boards are part of HIM. The ONLY scan they posted to “prove” this is where Warlock controls board over Surfer…WHO IS UNCONCIOUS!

The board was a part of regular Surfer too, and Warlock still controlled it. So that bit of logic means nothing.

And as for the "unconscious" part, he actually wasn't. Go ahead and check the scans from our writeup (or my first post again) but Surfer was talking with him, and was noticably pissed about the fact that Warlock could take away control of the board.

As always, Keeper = 616 Surfer (in terms of past experiences, which is all we're concerned with for the purposes of this board debate). So we have proof, yet they would have you believe it's false.

And as for Surfer retaining control over his board around others, it's a moot point (they showed some Stranger scans I think). Stranger didn't soul-link with Surfer. The soul-link is the basis for the board takeover. And since no one else has soul-linked with Surfer, trying to dis-prove Adam by showing others is blatently false.

Originally posted by DarkCrawler
3. The magic-negating hammer whirlwind.

This one isn’t going to work either. I give you a hint.
http://img2.freeimagehosting.net/uploads/bea4c87b10.jpg

...Thor’s hammer can be teleported away effortlessly.

confused

Dude, that's the same scan I was going to show. It shows that you can't ever get rid of Mjolnir....it always comes back. And in that scan, Mjolnir is going straight toward Champion...in our fight, it will be going too fast to see and spinning wildly around the battlefield, all while we're pounding on their team.

If you think that in all of that, they'll be able to pinpoint the hammer and teleport it, you're dead wrong.

And, let's humor them and say they Do teleport it away once. It returns to Thor, he does it again, and they have the same problem all over again. It buys them a few seconds, at best.

...

So sorry, but that plan practically oozes desperation.

Originally posted by DarkCrawler
4. The Uni-Power.

This one was a nice idea, I give them that.

There is still misconception here too…they seem to think that Uni-Power increases EVERYTHING in the host fifty times…

When in fact, the bio they THEMSELVES provided states that it increased NOTHING MORE then strength!
http://www.marveldirectory.com/individuals/c/captainuniverse.htm

Again, confused

.

We outlined what would be getting an upgrade...

1. Thor's strength x50. Apparently they aren't worried about this. Why? I have no idea. This alone makes him the most powerful person in the fight, by far.
2. Flight - So he can move around sans Mjolnir (which will be gone on the magic-block).
3. Energy powers - Like the kind that allowed Spider-Man to one-shot Graviton.
4. Durability? Meh. We never said it would. That's what we have our armor for.
5. And No, it's not just strength. Bio's are notoriously incomplete. Anyway, here's an example:
Sue Storm's power x50 (not physical strength):
http://img265.imageshack.us/my.php?image=23ad1.jpg
Daredevil's senses x50. He also gains the ability to see:
http://img265.imageshack.us/my.php?image=24la5.jpg

But of course, that beats around the bush. What about Thor's Surfer-power getting upgraded by the Uni-Power?
http://img118.imageshack.us/my.php?image=25ze7.jpg
http://img123.imageshack.us/my.php?image=26yt2.jpg
http://img265.imageshack.us/my.php?image=27mx0.jpg
...so that should lay that to rest.

...

I don't have time right now to similarly dissect Blair's post, but I'll try to leave some general comments on it:

1. Most of his post builds off of DC's incorrect assumptions and points, but there's a few things worth addressing in full...
2. Other heralds - Morg and Firelord are insurance, a mere afterthought. We have them beat in sheer power regardless.
3. Absorbing the Uni-Power won't be happening, especially when we have the power of Surfer multiplied within us many time over. Surfer's as competent an energy wielder as anyone (especially x25), so their power in this department doesn't trump ours.
4. Lasso away Uni-Power? Again, no. The magic-block is in full force. They might buy themselves a second or two, but nothing long enough to do anything to us.

Like I said, I wish I had more time right now, because I don't want it to seem like Blair's post is unimportant. But I think I addressed nearly everything of pertinence at the moment, so that should start us off well.

-DM

smile

leonidas

i can't see most of those freeimagehosting scans. erm

Scoobless

Post #1 - Space Phantom/Thor (Cpt Uni-Thor)

Good luck to everyone, keep it clean (this means you BW stick out tongue

)

Originally posted by DarkCrawler
We ALSO had Keeper create a shield that redirects every form of energy from us.

Why not just hold up a giant sign that says "Here we are and we can't see anything"?

If nothing gets in then you have no way to perceive the world around you ... no light means no sight, no sound means you can't hear.

The fact that one point in the entire battlefield is reflecting energy will be like a magnesium flare on a pitch black night to the energy sensing powers of our characters.

Originally posted by DarkCrawler
As the last touch of our stealth, we shrunk down to the size of an atom.

Interesting .... completely ineffective, but interesting .. our team possesses far greater amounts of Power Cosmic than yours, anything you can do, we can do better, faster and harder.

Originally posted by DarkCrawler
http://www.freeimagehosting.net/uploads/74c428e365.jpg

Loki can make people "almost" as powerful as he is ... it's not a constant thousandfold power magnification.

"Almost" as powerful as Loki just isn't going to cut it at this level.

The number 1,000 in that context just shows that Loki's mental powers were already more than that many times greater than the guy he's watching.

Originally posted by DarkCrawler
When in fact, the bio they THEMSELVES provided states that it increased NOTHING MORE then strength!
http://www.marveldirectory.com/individuals/c/captainuniverse.htm

Bios aren't perfect, we found what we could, Digi already showed proof that every aspect of the bonded character gets the same upgrade.

Originally posted by DarkCrawler
Spider-Man, for example was far from being fifty times better in all his abilities.

Spider-Man didn't have full access to the Uni-Power until the last issue of that story.

Originally posted by DarkCrawler
unless the Uni-Power suddenly can split in half (and it can’t…)

Actually, it can:

http://img352.imageshack.us/img352/2244/047xy8.th.jpg http://img377.imageshack.us/img377/4421/048pv6.th.jpg

stick out tongue

Originally posted by DarkCrawler
I am not ending here, though. It is obvious fact that Uni-Power CAN be absorbed from their hosts, and this has been done multiple times. Here are few just from the top of my head:
http://img2.freeimagehosting.net/image.php?9783aa04a5.jpg
http://img2.freeimagehosting.net/image.php?61c50784e6.jpg
http://img2.freeimagehosting.net/image.php?d04ef84cbe.jpg

Those scans are from when the Uni-Power's powers were all messed up and it wasn't in control of itself, that isn't the case here ... plus your guys would have no idea the UP is even with our team.

Originally posted by DarkCrawler
Our team just happens to have the best energy manipulator in the tourney

Not any more, Multiplied power cosmic + Mjolnir + Captain Universe powers (and the fact that he gave away 30% of his power cosmic) knocks Keeper back to a distant Third place (Behind the upgraded Warlock)

evil face

Originally posted by DarkCrawler
Mjolnir can’t negate anything because it will get teleported away to the far reaches of the universe.

The magical enhancements you are attempting to teleport it with wont exist the instant Mjolnir leaves Uni-Thor's hand.

Not to mention (though I will anyway) that the teleportation enhancements, which are still below Loki's own powers, couldn't possibly reach that far.

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Originally posted by Blair Wind
Now the other team would have you believe that they got to us first. How is my question?

Because we're not wasting a few moments searching for you before we attack, as soon as the match starts we're making the preemptive magic block attack, as soon as it starts (while you are still searching for us) all of your magical enhancements simply disappear.

Originally posted by Blair Wind
we do not have evidence that the other heralds can even give powers like Surfer can.

We have evidence that power cosmic can be transferred and that's all we were doing.

Originally posted by Blair Wind
Keeper has the combined strength of All-Star Superman and Captain Marvel

Marvel's powers vanished when the match began, The ability to map Keeper's genetic sequence and then create a formula to share AS Superman's powers is beyond your teams capabilities ... Superman took days, minimum, to perform that task with the aid of Kryptonian supercomputers and tireless robots doing most of the work for him ... 20 minutes of wishful thinking are not going to produce similar results in 2 beings he has never mapped.

Originally posted by Blair Wind
Now besides having to tell the truth, the lasso can also force someone to revert to their natural state, as can be shown with the Martian Manhunter or other such examples as devolving the Shark. The natural question would be, does Black Alice get a lasso just like Wonder Woman's? Of course she does smile

http://img34.imageshack.us/my.php?image=JLA-ALeagueOfOnepg037.jpg

http://img104.imageshack.us/img104/369/ba24lh1.jpg

Black Alice knows about the truth properties of the lasso because that power is fairly common knowledge on DC earth, there is nothing to suggest she knows anything other than the most basic aspects of WW's powers.

Also, snaring MM from behind? so what? our characters will be zipping about at lightspeed.

Not that it matters, BA's powers will be completely nullified as soon as the match starts.

Originally posted by Blair Wind
How did Thor determine that Jugg's power was magical in nature? Here, I will remind you:
http://img519.imageshack.us/my.php?image=magicblock1nz7.jpg

Do you plan to blast us when you cannot even see us, detect, or even feel us?

Nope, we don't care about making sure you have magical powers ... after our last couple of matches against Juggernaut and Absorbing Man we aren't taking any chances, therefore, we're nixing any magical abilities before they can present themselves as a problem.

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In Summary, The Uni-Power does everything we said it could in our prep = Thor x 50 + Surfer x 25 + Uni-Power.

Warlock also has major power cosmic upgrades.
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Keeper - reduced power cosmic, magic add ons severed and the incredibly doubtful Kryptonian power-up not working

This guy isn't even a challenge.
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AS Superman - no magic boost

His strength is now far below par for this match ... it's unlikely that he could hurt either of our characters.
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Black Alice - No magic at all, incredibly doubtful Kryptonian power-up not working

Little girl lost ... may as well send her home, she just became a huge liability
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Uru armour ... meh, Uru isn't that tough without enchantments ... classic Thor has easily broken it with his fingers before ... both of our characters strength levels far surpass classic Thor.

Also, all it takes is a single touch from Uni-Thor to turn that armour into your indestructible coffin.

http://img510.imageshack.us/img510/5827/053ml4.th.jpg

One finger and *bam* ... immobile, inch thick, adamantium suits for your team.

Adamantium suits that leave openings fur us to punch your faces off.

boxing

http://img509.imageshack.us/img509/3961/12413828py8.th.jpg

See that ... we're on the side of Justice.

big grin

Martian_mind

Hmmm good match

Lubricationteehee

DarkCrawler

DarkCrawler’s Post #2.

Debating for the characters All-Star Superman and The Keeper

1. Microverse, our cloaking.

Still not really reading our posts? We are SHIELDED from all types of sight, Keeper is reflecting ALL forms of energy and light from us, including every possible energy type of electromagnetic spectrum. You CAN’T see us. You aren’t going to pick us up from the unlimited number of atoms, hell; we could be hiding behind one. And you DEFENITELY aren’t going to find us before we attack you and teleport your hammer the hell away in the same time.

And we can’t detect Warlock…but Thor is just there in plain sight, you didn’t cloak him at all. His hammer is teleported away the first second the battle starts. And as soon as Warlock ATTACKS us or does anything else, we know where he is, like documented in IG.

And you say we can’t hear or see anything…we don’t need to. We have cosmic awareness, telepathy and telekinesis AND the freaking Wisdom of Solomon

2. All-Star Superman Serum

A) The robot is not making the serum. It is operating the sewing machine, like Superman even says, again in the scan you show yourselves:
http://img518.imageshack.us/my.php?image=page21nd3.jpg
Superman made the serum all by himself. The scans you showed shows it again…”I wanted to make your birthday present”.

B) The only reason WHY it took so long was because it took him so long to read and memorize the DNA code…and with Keeper who can read stuff on DNA level from 1000 bodies at once, and do it all in second, this is passed. Again, the scans show it.

C) Surfer’s biological makeup isn’t the same as Firelord’s (who is made out of living plasma, Surfer on the other hand has shown to actually bleed). Besides, none of those people are heralds themselves. And Surfer knows his own DNA pattern better then anyone…and he shares mindlink with AS-Supes and has COMPLETE access to all his knowledge and memories which enable him to make the formula to himself.

D) With Keeper's powers, we do not need to "incubate" or go through the whole process of making the potion. We can just create the finalized product. It really is quite simple.

You aren’t debunking the plan with that effort…everything we do is proved.

3. Teleporting

You are right in the whole Sandu thing probably for distances…but Sandu’s powers alone are enough for the teleporting tricks we need, like the scans show. We have Keeper’s telepathy and telekinesis too to support us in that area.

4. Uni-Power

There are obviously yet some continuing misconceptions about the Uni-Power, and I guess it is up to me to fix them. After I saw that they are using the Uni-Power, I went and started researching about every Captain Universe comic there is.

A) Space Phantom TURNING into Uni-Power?

This is the first question that popped into my mind after I researched it. HOW exactly do they justify that Space Phantom can turn into Uni-Power? Thus far, EVERY single character he has turned into comics is flesh and blood (except for their equipment of course). The bio, again which they supplied themselves says that he

Uni-Power isn’t anything like that. It’s pure energy. Part of the Enigma Force. It’s active energy-agent. It’s like saying that they would turn into Green Lantern ring or Power Cosmic or Phoenix Force. Sentient energy, yes, but in the same way that computer is sentient, it is programmed to do certain things by the E-force. And like it is shown in comics...mind isn’t what is necessary for Space Phantom to borrow…but he borrows their BODIES. Uni-Power doesn’t have a body, it’s either a floating energy globule or inside a Captain Universe.

I am going to need more proof of Space Phantom’s capabilities until I believe that he can just turn into Uni-Power like that.

B) Uni-Power’s instability.

Now, nearly every time Uni-Power has bonded with something or someone, it has been acting different. Sometimes it gives you the standard power set, sometimes something else. Sometimes it guides you, sometimes it doesn’t talk at all.

The first Captain Universe, Ray Coffin had no superhuman powers, so he had the general set of powers that Uni-Power gives. During this time, Uni-Power wasn’t even sentient here, simply part of the Enigma Force that was given to Coffin. Bruce Banner was given Uni-Power to square against Bannerless Hulk and was able to use the Uni-Vision. Elijah Jackson, in the short time did not display anything else then superhuman strength. Roland Taylor was all wonky with his psychosis and Uni-Power actually seemed to leave a part of itself in him…

Ted Simmons could not even control his own powers in the way he wanted. Evan Swann had pretty standard set of Uni-Powers, although to better degree. Steve, Ray Coffin’s son, could create forms like GL, but he was much less durable in the beginning then other Uni-Power wearers (was hurt by cold for example), even though he had the full Uni-Power from the start.

That was how Uni-Power acted on normal humans…it’s entirely different in super humans.

With Daredevil, it increased his senses, but Daredevil’s body was not augmented much, he for example didn’t fly at all. Invisible Woman seemed to be augmented all along. Hulk didn’t do anything with Uni-Power that he could not have done without. X-23 didn’t fly either or show much superpowers. Doctor Strange wasn’t augmented at all, the Uni-Power only merged him with another guy. On a normal Badoon soldier, Uni-Power made him so powerful that he could easily escape the Crimson Bands and beat Doctor Strange’s ass. Spider-Man’s speed didn’t seem to be affected at all, and he wasn’t really powerful as Captain Universe, and the Uni-Power acted VERY unstable with him.

Now, they are trying to claim that they somehow get the optimal conditions of Uni-Power, and everything in them is powered by fifty times. Besides of this NEVER happening in comics, there is also another thing that will make it 100% sure of never happening.

C) Uni-Power’s with Space Phantom.

Now hear me out.

The reason why they have had Space Phantom to be so good with the characters they have had him turn into is because of the Soul Link they have had with the characters he turns into.

But Adam Warlock has never even met Uni-Power, discussed with it, or even had ANY connections at all to Captain Universe. The soul link with Surfer happened ages before he was combined with Captain Universe, so they can’t go into that. If they go about how Warlock was merged with everything when he had the IG and knows everything to this date…they have to prove that he actually retains information about the Uni-Power, because Warlock has been surprised crapload of times after he had the IG. I could give you hundreds of examples.

For example, how about the time Magus gained control of the IG and was going to destroy the Universe? Pretty big thing to forget, eh?

So, let’s say that Space Phantom can turn into Uni-Power (which there is no proof that he can). So Space Phantom is Uni-Power…with Space Phantom’s mind! He has NO knowledge of how Uni-Power works, no previous experience with being a blob of energy, no experiences of Captain Universes…NOTHING. Sure, he can use simple powers like energy blasts or superhuman speed or so, but how does he handle being extra dimensional entity with no body or anything similar to your original form? Again, ALL the things he has turned into before have been humanoids with relatively simple-to-use powers.

Imagine that you are put in the body of something you have NEVER experienced before, or even heard of. Let’s say an earthworm. You have no previous experience of how to move without arms or legs, get any information from your surroundings, how to breathe with your body, how do eat…you’d die in five minutes, tops.

Because that is what their situation is. They put Space Phantom into the body of something that is 100% different from anything he has been before, and then claim that he can give their characters the OPTIMAL, the BEST possible result of Uni-Power-upgrade that can be given to a character. The mystical nature of Thor apparently doesn’t matter at all, or the multitudes of different powers and things he has in his body…no…someone who has ZERO, NADA, ZILCH experience of being the Uni-Power is going to raise ALL of them to 50x, without any sort of failure or mistake.

Sorry, but give me a break. It’s like replacing a NASA supercomputer with the brain of 2-year old and attempting it to calculate all the variables of a supernova explosion with perfect results. Simply insane.

They way how unstable and complicated Uni-Power is, I don’t think Space Phantom would even know how to give powers. All the inherent Uni-Power knowledge is gone. They are left with powerful extra dimensional force that they can’t use.

Simple as that.

Blair Wind

Blair Wind Post #3

Let us begin by breaking this down into different components where the opposing team is making great leaps of faith.

The Boards:

Let us look again:
http://img297.imageshack.us/my.php?image=board1dx7.jpg

That is a Surfer who was knocked out. Are you saying he was just lying there because he was feeling lazy? Maybe he likes big strong men to carry him around? Didnt think so. So this, "And as for the "unconscious" part, he actually wasn't. Go ahead and check the scans from our writeup (or my first post again) but Surfer was talking with him, and was noticably pissed about the fact that Warlock could take away control of the board" was after he woke up. When he had no control, was the only time Warlock had control.

So please, PLEASE, tell me you are not actually thinking that Warlock can take control of the boards. ESPECIALLY when you have not countered the fact that they expanded in Thor's brain with the quantum atom slicing spikes.

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Magic-Hammer:

Please. You practically didn’t prove…that ANYTHING we said was wrong.

A) Thor’s hammer DOES return, ALWAYS, but in the scan, it is teleported to another dimension, hence it comes through the portal. Also champion refused to deny it its course. Meaning he could have. We, on the other hand, don’t teleport it DIMENSIONALLY, but across a distance. It’s not portaling through anything because it’s not in another dimension; it will fly back like it always does. In this case though, it’s flying back from a lot LONGER distance.

B) Are you kidding? You are actually saying that the hammer will be going too fast for our characters to notice it? Err, combined reaction times of Captain Marvel, Surfer and All-Star Superman…try again. Freaking JUGGERNAUT could follow it with his eyes, and weren’t you writing a lot about how slow-ass Juggernaut is in your first match? Our SPEED isn’t up for questioning here. Especially when we teleported it in the first move, while in your scenario you have to detect our magical abilities first.

C) Even if it would be away for just 00000000000.1th of second, we would still have time to teleport it yet AGAIN. And like documented in thousands of different scans, it takes usually at least a second for it to come back. Second is like a freaking hour to our guys.

D) You simply don’t have any way of stopping us from teleporting it continually away your reach. Simple as that. Our magic buffs aren’t taken anywhere. And may I also remind you that you only have two members right now, we have three. Even if you are attacking us, there is still one team member teleporting the hammer away. It will take only small part of our concentration, so it’s no trouble.

E) You go from first stating, and I quote,

"Mjolnir can detect magical energies, so Thor will know what he’s dealing with and act accordingly"

all the way to

"Nope, we don't care about making sure you have magical powers...after our last couple of matches against Juggernaut and Absorbing Man we aren't taking any chances, therefore, we're nixing any magical abilities before they can present themselves as a problem."

Someone changing strategies? Besides no one on your team has ANY idea what our characters can do. Even if you had been given names, no one on your team know's of the Keeper, Superman, or Black Alice. Taking a guess that we have magical powers is you as Scoobless/Digi using knowledge that your characters know nothing about. MAYBE if you could blast us to detect us like Thor did with Juggs, it would be plausible. Considering that you cannot find us? We teleported the hammer in the very beginning, while we telepathically and telekinetically lashed out at you, WHILE you have a surfboard expanding in your brain with atom slicing quantum spikes. Your plan is made of BS. Sorry.

Besides, even if some judges looked at the option that the power's were gone, the Uru hammers and armour still have the combined power's of SENTINEL, NIGHTSHADE, LOKI, Superman's HEAT VISION, and QUANTUM ENERGY. Plus the hell metal that enhances magic? Combined? It STILL wtfpwns all the energy power's you have.

To elaborate:

Uroc absorbing Thor’s blast:
http://img2.freeimagehosting.net/uploads/0698ff3d08.jpg

Iron Man doing the same against Odinpower:
http://img2.freeimagehosting.net/uploads/9b568bd650.jpg

Thor, wielding his hammer without Odin’s enchantments, absorbs powers from every Skyfather in existence.
http://img2.freeimagehosting.net/uploads/8798ad2be8.jpg
http://img2.freeimagehosting.net/uploads/587ba50f46.jpg
http://img2.freeimagehosting.net/uploads/af97b9fff9.jpg
http://img2.freeimagehosting.net/uploads/8ec8248595.jpg

Some scans of Netherium’s properties, plus bio of Hellstrom which delves deeper into it:
http://img2.freeimagehosting.net/uploads/c818cb8076.jpg
http://img2.freeimagehosting.net/uploads/14e6b2f98c.jpg
http://img2.freeimagehosting.net/uploads/39a7320ad6.jpg
http://www.marvunapp.com/Appendix2/hellstormdaimon.htm

Examples of how powerful Sentinel’s blasts are:
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http://img179.imageshack.us/img179/9421/alan3closestherift2rg0.jpg

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Nightshade’s shadow powers:
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Blasts of Loki:
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Intensity of All-Star Superman’s heat vision:
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Black Alice:

Scoobless says. "Black Alice knows about the truth properties of the lasso because that power is fairly common knowledge on DC earth, there is nothing to suggest she knows anything other than the most basic aspects of WW's powers."

Except that she gains knowledge of the powers she takes? Doing spells as Zatanna, doing magic like Dr. Fate, knowing how to use Spectre's powers. Sorry, but she knows what she is doing. To top it all off? No one in DC earth besides a very select few know what the magic word SHAZAM does to Billy and Adam, and even less know about the word in the first place. Guess who did? Thats right, Black Alice. She has more than a basic understanding of her power's now anyways since Fate trained her off-panel.

Also a point to consider, it is just an extension of the truth. It is the truth of who you really are, and reverting back to that stage.

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Thoughts of the Match/Question's to Ponder

Considering that we took out your hammer, used the Surfboards with atom slicing quantum spikes on your soft insides, and TP/TK outlashed at you while hidden from you, nothing that we have said is false. We have also not deviated from our original plan, unlike you. First you say Thor will find out if we are magical then use his hammer, then change to having him use it from the very beginning.

How exactly do you plan on attacking us? The magic negating hammer all you have? Because we took out the hammer AND attacked you from the VERY beginning. Warlock's energy has been shown to be absorbed by the Quantum Bands, Thor would have a surfboard in his brain, and we have a lasso reverting you back to depowered levels. SP would be of no consequence thanks to it.

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Final Thoughts/Note to the Judges

They would have you believe that they got in the first attack. Not going to happen based on the events put forth by both side's. They did not take into account that we would be totally undetectable, and will fall because of it.

They decided to change tactics when it suited them for Thor. However, being that our first response takes precedence over theirs (being that we were undetected, while Thor was sitting out in the open) the hammer plays no part in this battle.

If we continue to the logical conclusion as to what the consequences for these two things mean for the other team, you should start feeling sorry for the other team as demise is the only thing left for them.

Which leads us to the:
CONCLUSION
We win smile

Scoobless

Post #2 - Space Phantom/Thor

Originally posted by DarkCrawler
Still not really reading our posts? We are SHIELDED from all types of sight, Keeper is reflecting ALL forms of energy and light from us, including every possible energy type of electromagnetic spectrum. You CAN’T see us.

Yes we are ... you, however, seem to be just plain ignoring ours.

Originally posted by Scoobless
The fact that one point in the entire battlefield is reflecting energy will be like a magnesium flare on a pitch black night to the energy sensing powers of our characters.

It'd be like trying to hide from Superman by using a lead shield ... one quick look and he'd find the ONLY area on the battlefield where you could possibly be hiding.

Originally posted by DarkCrawler
And you say we can’t hear or see anything…we don’t need to. We have cosmic awareness, telepathy and telekinesis AND the freaking Wisdom of Solomon

The Wisdom of DC Solomon ... who knows nothing about Thor, Warlock, Space Phantom or Captain Universe ... not that it matters as the connection to all magical powers was taken from you the instant the fight began.

Originally posted by DarkCrawler
The robot is not making the serum. It is operating the sewing machine, like Superman even says, again in the scan you show yourselves:
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Superman made the serum all by himself. The scans you showed shows it again…”I wanted to make your birthday present”.

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The robot is clearly making the serum ... unless you think that sewing requires a supercomputer with the ability mix liquid chemicals.

So therefore, Superman does not hold every piece of information relevant to the process in his head as you would like to believe.

Originally posted by DarkCrawler
The only reason WHY it took so long was because it took him so long to read and memorize the DNA code…and with Keeper who can read stuff on DNA level from 1000 bodies at once, and do it all in second, this is passed. Again, the scans show it.

DNA is only a part of it. Once the DNA code has been mapped and stored, individual compounds must be created to specifically match the massively disparate biology's of the characters involved ... this is where supercomputers and tireless supercomputer-minded robots come into play ... and even they require days to complete the process for each person involved.

There is zero chance of your plan working.

Originally posted by DarkCrawler
You are right in the whole Sandu thing probably for distances…but Sandu’s powers alone are enough for the teleporting tricks we need, like the scans show. We have Keeper’s telepathy and telekinesis too to support us in that area.

Sandu-esque powers haven't even shown the ability to teleport more than a couple of thousand miles.

Keepers powers are reduced by almost a third in this match, whereas our Surfer powers are vastly augmented ... you can't compete on our level in that field.

Originally posted by DarkCrawler
Uni-Power isn’t anything like that. It’s pure energy. Part of the Enigma Force. It’s active energy-agent. It’s like saying that they would turn into Green Lantern ring or Power Cosmic or Phoenix Force.

It's nothing like that, GL rings and co are not living beings.

Originally posted by DarkCrawler
With Daredevil, it increased his senses, but Daredevil’s body was not augmented much, he for example didn’t fly at all. Invisible Woman seemed to be augmented all along. Hulk didn’t do anything with Uni-Power that he could not have done without. X-23 didn’t fly either or show much superpowers. Doctor Strange wasn’t augmented at all, the Uni-Power only merged him with another guy. On a normal Badoon soldier, Uni-Power made him so powerful that he could easily escape the Crimson Bands and beat Doctor Strange’s ass. Spider-Man’s speed didn’t seem to be affected at all, and he wasn’t really powerful as Captain Universe, and the Uni-Power acted VERY unstable with him.

Well, you managed to pick the two stories where the Uni-Power is not at it's normal level.

During the DareDevil/Hulk/X-23/Invisible Woman story the Uni-Power had actually lost most of it's powers, it regained them by merging with those characters and copying/augmenting their natural abilities... it did little for Hulk because he was the first person it joined with.

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After the Surfer part of the story it had regained all it's former powers.

Spider-Man never had full access to the Uni-Power until the very end of the story where he pwned the Tri-Sentinal ... even when he punched Hulk into orbit he didn't have nearly the full power of Captain Universe.

Originally posted by DarkCrawler
The reason why they have had Space Phantom to be so good with the characters they have had him turn into is because of the Soul Link they have had with the characters he turns into.

But Adam Warlock has never even met Uni-Power, discussed with it, or even had ANY connections at all to Captain Universe. The soul link with Surfer happened ages before he was combined with Captain Universe

Adam Warlock melded with Strange and Strange had knowledge of the Uni-Power.

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Originally posted by DarkCrawler
So Space Phantom is Uni-Power

Yes.
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Originally posted by Blair Wind
So please, PLEASE, tell me you are not actually thinking that Warlock can take control of the boards.

Our guys can control Surfer's board via the soul link (which has been proved) whether they take complete control or just mess up your control, the results are the same.

Originally posted by Blair Wind
Thor’s hammer DOES return

It does ... but as you guys wont be doing anything to it, it wont have to.

Originally posted by Blair Wind
Are you kidding? You are actually saying that the hammer will be going too fast for our characters to notice it? Err, combined reaction times of Captain Marvel, Surfer and All-Star Superman…try again. Freaking JUGGERNAUT could follow it with his eyes

Juggernaut noticed that it didn't hit him, nothing more.

Originally posted by Blair Wind
You simply don’t have any way of stopping us from teleporting it continually away your reach. Simple as that. Our magic buffs aren’t taken anywhere. And may I also remind you that you only have two members right now, we have three. Even if you are attacking us, there is still one team member teleporting the hammer away. It will take only small part of our concentration, so it’s no trouble.

Our two members are both more powerful than your three members combined, having two of them go one-on-one while the other is off playing by themselves would be suicide.

Originally posted by Blair Wind
You go from first stating, and I quote,

"Mjolnir can detect magical energies, so Thor will know what he’s dealing with and act accordingly"

all the way to

"Nope, we don't care about making sure you have magical powers...after our last couple of matches against Juggernaut and Absorbing Man we aren't taking any chances, therefore, we're nixing any magical abilities before they can present themselves as a problem."

Someone changing strategies?

Nope, just a simple miscommunication.

Space Phantom is my character, as SP and Thor are combined, my posts are the more relevant ones regarding Uni-Thor.

Thor throws the hammer the instant the match begins due to the fact that, in both our previous matches, we've gone up against magical characters that have given us trouble ... we're simply taking that option away before it has a chance to present itself.

It isn't a strategy that depends on finding you (unlike all of your plans that are completely dependant on locating us)

Originally posted by Blair Wind
Besides no one on your team has ANY idea what our characters can do.

We don't care, but at this point the same is true in reverse ... Keeper has never met a Morg/Firelord/Surfer x25/armoured Warlock or a Captain Universe/Herald Thor before.

Originally posted by Blair Wind
the Uru hammers and armour still have the combined power's of SENTINEL, NIGHTSHADE, LOKI, Superman's HEAT VISION, and QUANTUM ENERGY. Plus the hell metal that enhances magic? Combined?

You created the Uru using Surfer's transmutation abilities, we can un-create it in exactly the same way (or with a touch using Captain Universe's power)

Sentinel, Nightshade and Loki's powers all disappeared the instant the match began with one throw of a hammer.

Originally posted by Blair Wind
Black Alice. She has more than a basic understanding of her power's now anyways since Fate trained her off-panel

That's nice ... though it doesn't change the fact that we rendered her inconsequential with one deft hammer-flinging motion.

God Squad >>> Trio in Energy/Strength/Durability and we took away your magical powerups

smile

DigiMark007

DigiMark Post #3

Characters: Warlock / Thor

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Part I. General Points

A. Just to clarify, that scan Scoob posted of Strange with the Uni-Power happened pre-Infinity Gauntlet, when they had their soul-link. So Warlock does have knowledge of it. Moving on...

B. Thor is throwing the hammer in a pre-emptive strike as soon as the fight starts. The Uni-Power-enhanced reflexes/strength will ensure that this happens before their team can do anything. By the time they notice that Black Alice's enhancements are gone, we'll have detected them and will be destroying them before they can even think about locating Mjolnir to teleport.

They post a scan of someone porting Mjolnir when it's directly in front of himself and expect us to believe that they'll locate Mjolnir as it's flying around the battefield at light speed, far away from them, and we're fighting them?!?! Utterly ridiculous.

C. SP has become inanimate objects before...I'll leave it to Scoob, since it's his character, but it's not an issue. Uni-Power is sentient anyway, so it really shouldn't matter.

Besides, they're equating the Uni-Power with pure energy or something. Kinda weird. SP doesn't become "power cosmic" when he becomes Surfer, just like he doesn't become the Enigma Force when changing to the Uni-Power. The base source doesn't = the product.

D. They used a Surfer feat to explain their microverse strategy. We have the power of 25 of him in both of us. We also have microscopic vision via Surfer's powers, which enables us to locate them. That nonsense with the microverse is clever, but it won't be doing a damn thing to our team. We find them, we stomp them. Simple as that.

E. So, Keeper can analyze his own DNA completely, create the materials needed to create a Superman formula (that Supes didn't even make himself) and calculate the exact modifications needed for the formula to accomodate his and BA's particular DNA structure???

In 10 seconds?

Or even 20 minutes?

What the f**k?

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Part II. New Tactics

We didn't want to use up all of our ingenuity in our writeup, so we've been saving these.

1. Backstory: The magic-block works...we've shown that. Their teleport trick is complete bull. It's cutting off their magic well before they do anything in the battle.
Strategy: After we've cut their magic off and dealt with Black Alice (which won't be hard...take away her magic, and even if you believe the AS Supes formula stuff, she'll be roadkill in minutes) we do the following to AS Supes:
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...and we let Odin's enchantments take care of the rest. He can't lift Mjolnir. No one can besides Thor (and select others, not including anyone on their team).

He's a sitting duck, and unable to move. By this point, BA will be gone anyway, as will any magical upgrade Supes has, so this just adds insult to injury.

2. Omni-Directional Lightning Blast. Nuf Said.
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...so Superman, any version, is a being based off of solar charge. The same solar charge that gets drained of its charge when struck with lightning.

Physics 101. Thor's base powers (whether control / lightning) can attack the weakness of at least AS Supes, and possibly all 3 (again, if you believe the forumla junk).

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Part III. Adam Returns

First off:
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Warlock's pissed. Why? Because he's been getting ignored. "Thor can/can't do this. SP can/can't do that..." Blah blah blah. Warlock can take anyone on their team, probably any two. Such a force shouldn't be getting ignored.

1. They've been playing up their "invisible" strategy (which is anything but...I actually liked Scoob's Superman/lead analogy). But they're forgetting who has the truer undetectability. He's beyond reality....and I've posted the scans to prove that, with abstracts echoing my very words.

He won't be detected until he decides to strike. And when he does, there's going to be one Good-Lord of an ass-whupping.

He's got the power of 25 Surfers in him. And with their magic gone, and their Superman formula dubious (at best) he could probably take anyone on their team even at his base level. So this is just a curbstomp of the highest order.

Best fighting skills in the fight:
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...all those people there were physically superior to Warlock. He beat them with cunning and skill....just like he'll dissect BW/DC's Trio.

If you've seen the tourney at all or know about his character, you know he's fit for the tourney. He can best characters like Surfer, Quasar and Drax in single combat. Amusingly, BW/DC showed a Warlock-vs-Quasar fight earlier to their benefit...but if they had posted it all, they would have seen Quasar losing.

And again, that's at base level. What we're talking about with our upgrades is so far removed from that, much of this isn't even needed.

He's undetectable, he's the most skilled in the tourney, he's the smartest in the tourney, and now he's pissed.

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Part IV. Closing

Hopefully that should clear everything up. DC/BW have done an admirable job calling us to task on our strategy, but it's all legit, and we don't require something that took days (the forumla) to pull it off

Hell, I could make a case for us winning at purely base levels. Our power meshes just make this a non-fight....they're done, plain and simple.

DarkCrawler

DarkCrawler’s Post #3.

Debating for the characters All-Star Superman and The Keeper

The misconception continues.

1. Again, our teams stealth. AND the hammer thingy

They still keep saying that they are going to notice our characters. This is simply insane. Not only they don’t know AT ALL in which direction, which place we are, or where in middle of the limitless number of the atoms we are. They have no way of picking up our location with their senses. They say that they will pick up us from the sight…WE ARE ATOM-SIZED. Is it really believable that they pick up one small place in middle of infinite number of atoms through the ENTIRE PLANET?! With nothing but their sight?! They don’t even know where to start, much less the exact location where to look.

Besides, no, it's not the same as just a black place. We bend and repel energy in the same way that Invisible Woman does to light. Only we do it to ALL energy, so AL types of sight will just result to you seeing nothing. If you would look at us, you would not see "a black point", you would see what is behind us.

And they say they can do this all before we teleport the hammer. Wisdom of Solomon isn’t dependant on the knowledge Solomon had during it life, it tells us EVERYTHING we need to know. How else could Wisdom of Solomon help Billy Batson in a modern school test? Talk about things he has never encountered before? Help him with stuff about cosmic entities? Like said, it is a full blown cosmic awareness, and we also have Keeper’s natural cosmic awareness and the cosmic awareness the Quantum Bands give him. And Keeper knows Thor very well.

We WILL find Thor the INSTANT as we enter the battlefield. They can’t say the same. We WILL teleport his hammer away the 000000000000000001.th second we spot him, and they have NO MEANS of stopping it. They really DON'T get our reaction speeds, we have All-Star Superman AND Silver Surfer AND Captain Marvel COMBINED.

Our magic buffs aren’t gone anywhere.

Besides, even if the hammer would by some crazy coincidence even finish one spin before our characters port it away (it wont), all they are doing is to block our access to the powers. They aren’t removing anything permanently, as soon as the hammer stopped spinning, Juggernaut was fine. We can either teleport it away mid-spin, or just fly away from the hammer-circle.

And yeah, Juggernaut did follow it with his eyes. Look at the picture.

You finding us and throwing a hammer takes a hell more time then it takes for us to find Thor and just teleport it away.

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2. All-Star Superman potion and yes, we will have that.

First of all, the whole robot was MADE and PROGRAMMED by All-Star Superman so he knows all the things the robot does, just wasn’t doing it because he was entertaining Lois Lane. The Superman robots are VERY simple, not freaking supercomputers. The idea was his. The DNA was scanned by him. The chemicals made by him. He knows EVERYTHING needed to make the potion, no matter how you try to twist it.

It’s just that because of Keeper’s ability to DO that everything in the span of few seconds it takes WAAY less time. You ARE aware that he can absorb and process information that would take A MILLENIUM to understand in the span of MILLISECONDS, right? That is more powerful then any supercomputer ever created.
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We are having the serum. There is really no way that you can change it.

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3. Teleporting.

Sandu-esque powers were shown to teleport from Earth to Moon easily. That’s close to 300,000 miles. He did that EASILY, with a single thought. There is no reason to expect that our characters could not do far more, with far more ease, and because of or reaction speeds (which are literally billions of times faster), with far, far more speed.

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3. Uni-Power. No, they still don’t have enough knowledge to use it correctly.

First of all, it is true that Warlock soul-linked with Strange. I forgot that.

However, the time Strange encountered Uni-Power was extremely short phase in his life (seconds), and even during that time they Uni-Power transferred no information to him, he melded with Commander Arcturus Rann and used RANN'S knowledge of the Enigma Force to do the stuff they did in one page. Strange has never referred into Uni-Power or Captain Universe after that, and he doesn’t have super memory or anything.

It is ridicolous to assume that they have any more then knowledge of Uni-Power’s existence and again, definitely ZERO information what it is like to be Uni-Power itself. All they would have is to what it is to like to be Captain Universe. Which doesn’t help them in turning and using the Uni-Power ITSELF. Space Phantom will be lost without the knowledge about what it is like to be Uni-Power.

And the scan they posted was from Guardians of the Galaxy, far after Warlock Soul Linked with Strange.

And they are trying to claim that through this encounter they get COMPLETE understanding of Uni-Power, and achieve the optimal conditions with entirely different mind in it that doesn’t know jack shit about how to move as an energy globule, much less succeed perfectly in giving powers to someone.

As soon as Space Phantom turns into Uni-Power (which there again, is no proof that he can, see below), he will probably fall down the ground or dissipate in the air or something. Again, it’s like replacing a mind of NASA supercomputer with 2-year old and expecting it to do massive and complicated calculations.

Simply insane.

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Now, let me quote one of their posts to prove my point again.

Neither is Uni-Power…the comparison was PERFECT, actually.

All are not true sentient beings, simply something programmed by their respective creators, like computers. Green Lantern Rings have surprisingly informative discussion with Hal and co., but they are simply creations of the Guardians, PROGRAMMED to do different things. Power Cosmic has manifested with sentience multiple times, but it’s still just energy, nothing else. Phoenix Force is again, capable of very in-depth discussions actually capable of mimicking a human, but deep down, it is something doing a set, programmed mission that was given to it by it’s creator,

Uni-Power is nothing different. It’s simply part of the Enigma Force, programmed to do set mission (help people in need and give powers to them) and it is also programmed to give information to it’s wearers, and again, is capable of in-depth discussion. But it’s not a true sentient being. It’s no different of when Power Cosmic gives its holders power, Phoenix Force endows Jean Grey with powers, Green Lantern rings give amazing powers to its wearer and so on.

HELL, in its couple of first appearances, Uni-Power did not even HAVE sentience.

Uni-Power is not true sentient being. EVERY transformation of Space Phantom thus far has been a humanoid, flesh and blood with mind of its own. Uni-Power is, again, 100% different then anything Space Phantom has turned into before. His bio even says that he turns into mortal beings (which he thus far has).

You have to bring more proof to the table then what you have thus far. As a help, I have compiled a summary of what you exactly need to prove:

A) Show proof that Space Phantom can turn into a being with no true sentience (as in “it”, not “him” or “her”) and which has never shown any shred of true sentience, and is actually just part of energy force, and a floating energy globule to boot, so no humanoid form.

B) Show that he is capable of being able to settle into NON-human form and being able to control that forms movement, as it is something completely and utterly different then ANYTHING, ANYTHING he has turned into before.

C) Show enough proof that your characters have complete and perfect understanding of the Uni-Power’s every single delicate and unstable ability, and you can achieve THE perfect empowering to a character it has never encountered before, with different mind controlling it.

That’s all.

4. Them transmuting our Uru Skin – hey, are you seeing something wrong here?

Only character that direct matter manipulation was allowed into was Absorbing Man, a fact that you yourselves flaunted quite lot in your match. Our Uru isn’t going anywhere.

Try again, sorry guys.

Blair Wind

Blair Wind Post #4

Well well, seems that we have some confusion as to what is taking place and what is not taking place. Lets try and clear some of that up now shall we?

Our Stealth

As DC has just said, we are totally covered. Only Warlock on the opposing team can say the same. We were hidden in atoms, how would you find us? Do you realize how much space you would have to look through before we just do our initial attack to your obvious and oblivious Thunder God?

Moving on to the fact that Thor is just standing around doing nothing, we can all agree that our boards made their way to his head. The TP/TK attack hurt. AND we teleported the hammer that they need as a crutch in this match. Which leads us to the hammer topic

Hammer and Black Alice

That same hammer that will what, spin around the whole entire planet of Apokalips? When Thor only had it spin around a few buildings in the fight with Juggs? Besides, why would your three members take the Uncalculating risk of throwing their most powerful weapon away just IN CASE some of our member's are magical? Most blatant abuse of pre-battle knowledge ever.

New Tactics?
Now, you guys are not the only one's with other ideas for the way things can go. Teleporting the hammer is a much easier thing to do, but if push comes to shove? Black Alice can take control of the hammer. Wow. A bold statement, I know what you are thinking. However let us put this in perspective:
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Black Alice took control of the Helmet of Fate, stemming from the power of Nabu, the most powerful Lord of Order in the 9th magical age, (akin to Thor's Hammer, coming from the power of Odin). What was the most impressive part? The Helmet resisted, and she still took control over it. AND IT WAS WITH HER OWN MAGICAL POWERS. Not someone's stolen power. Her own! The only reason she gave it up is because it started doing all the things she wanted, and she then realized she did not really want that to happen.

She really does have more magical powers then just stealing powers. She can make extremely high powered magical artifacts do her bidding and give her dominion.

And if you REALLY want to push us towards it, we can simply have Black Alice turn into Dargo again. Why? Because Dargo actually uses 616 Mjolnir. What does that mean? Your weapon is suddenly ours. Don't like it when your own tactics bite you in the ass do you? In all honesty I should have done this from the beginning, but I thought that lassoing Space Phantom was more important. Which means that right after we teleport it far away, lasso up Thor (under the very ill assumption that SP is IN him), and depower them both, killing SP (all in all should take 20 seconds tops with our combined speed and teleporting ability) Black Alice can take the form of Dargo again taking away your mighty hammer. I have not broken any rules, as I cannot turn into your Thor, but it just so happens I can steal your hammer.

We simply have more options than you do in how we take you out. You want variety, there it is. I doubt you can say the same on the type of things you can do.

Established Battle Plan
As it is, we have already established the fact that Superman is teleporting your hammer away from you, before you get a good swing in to send it on its way. Wonder Woman has you lassoed up, and reverted you to your original power levels. No one can argue that this will not happen. Sorry bucko's but we can teleport the hammer. Even if you tried magical lighting to take out our Superman, (which I do not understand...because well: ) We have Uru armour. And that is there because of Keeper's manipulation of the metal itself. It is not dependent on Black Alice. Neither is the Hell metal.

We have the surprise attack advantage. We have you out thought from the very beginning. Which leads us to detection of your prized Warlock (surprise of the day: )

The Soul Link

Now heres comes the most interesting part of the battle. You profess that your Warlock is entirely undetectable, and that no one will know he is there. HOWEVER, seeing as Surfer and Warlock have soul linked, and if AW claims to have all the knowledge of SS from the soul link (enough to try and control SS's boards), doesn't that work BOTH ways?!? Could not Keeper locate even an undetectable AW because Keeper knows "all that is Adam Warlock" because of what SS learned during the link?

Really guys, your just GIVING us the ammo to use against you guys. laughing out loud

Thoughts

Our battle plan has taken precedence due to several contributing factors:

1) We are in the microverse and completely cloaked from detection

2) Their Thor was not cloaked

3) They have yet to defend the fact that the surboards made their way to their brains, ear drums, and other vital organs. Or defend against the onslaught of a massive telepathic and telekinetic attack

4) We have more than one way of taking out the mighty Hammer. Push comes to shove? We have the more powerful Magic User, and she will do whatever it takes to win. With three options available to us to use, we can do more in terms of variety to freshen things up.

5) A gate swings both ways. Just as the knowledge of the almighty Soul Link goes both ways.

6) With all this in play:
the doubtful fact that they have even turned into Uni-Power,
the fact that they are trying to pull a preemptive while we have already found them and teleport the hammer away,
the first strike is ours,
the Magical Lasso depowers your team,
Keeper detects Warlock,
the hammer is taken by our team,
Things have taken a definitive turn for the worse for your team

Final Notes

We simply have more options in play than you do. We have taken control of the fight since the very beginning, and ignoring certain facts will not make that fact go away. Your Thor was not cloaked, and it will cost you. Our whole team was in hiding, and we used that fact to its full potential. You cannot beat the combined power of our team, and the tactical advantages our weapons give us.

In short? We win, you lose, I think its time you give up smile

Or as someone once said: Hell, I could make a case for us winning at purely base levels. Our power meshes *and superior tactics* just make this a non-fight....they're done, plain and simple. shifty

Scoobless

Post #3 - Uni-Thor
Originally posted by DarkCrawler
They have no way of picking up our location with their senses.
And we have Surfer's senses magnified 25 times over ... Surfer alone could track anything at microscopic levels, our guys could do it with their eyes closed.
Originally posted by DarkCrawler
We bend and repel energy in the same way that Invisible Woman does to light.
And erratic patterns of energy will be easily detectable to characters with 25 times Surfer's energy detection abilities.... seriously, just make a giant neon sign, it'll be less effort and equally effective in hiding you.
Originally posted by DarkCrawler
And they say they can do this all before we teleport the hammer.
We could, but we never said that ... had you read our posts you would understand that we're cancelling your magic without looking for you first (this has been explained a few times)
Originally posted by DarkCrawler
Wisdom of Solomon isn’t dependant on the knowledge Solomon had during it life, it tells us EVERYTHING we need to know.
Only about the DC universe, nothing about any of our characters.
Originally posted by DarkCrawler
They really DON'T get our reaction speeds
On the contrary, you don't seem to get ours. Thor has reacted to things within microseconds we have 50 times that and Surfer has reacted even faster and we have 25 times that ... each.
Originally posted by DarkCrawler
if the hammer would by some crazy coincidence even finish one spin before our characters port it away (it wont), all they are doing is to block our access to the powers. They aren’t removing anything permanently.
It will spin before you can do anything, and once it does your ability to teleport (Which is magically given) will disappear ... which means no teleportation at all for you.

Once the powers are removed they would have to be re-given as none of the add-ons you have are natural to your characters. BA can only be 2 people per fight, there's no way they can return during the fight.

That doesn't really matter though as the hammer will be spinning constantly while we annihilate your magic-less team.
Originally posted by DarkCrawler
He knows EVERYTHING needed to make the potion
He may know how to make the formula that reacts with Lois Lane's specific genetic pattern but he'll need another couple of days (with supercomputer access) to work out exactly how to concoct another formula for each person he wishes to enhance.
Originally posted by DarkCrawler
http://i12.tinypic.com/3494cxe.jpg
So another being can force information into Surfer's mind quickly, nothing in that scan backs up the abilities you're crediting Keeper with.
Originally posted by DarkCrawler
Sandu-esque powers were shown to teleport from Earth to Moon easily. That’s close to 300,000 miles.
300,000 miles is nothing when both you and the object you're retrieving can easily travel at lightspeed ... but as all your magic is gone then this is irrelevant.
Originally posted by DarkCrawler
Neither is Uni-Power…the comparison was PERFECT, actually.
The comparison was garbage, the Uni-Power has been shown to be both alive and sentient many times ... the only time it was ever referred to as anything less than alive was one on panel guess by Reed Richards who saw it extremely briefly and had no idea what it truly was.
Originally posted by DarkCrawler
I have compiled a summary of what you exactly need to prove:
A) Show proof that Space Phantom can turn into a being with no true sentience

As the Uni-Power is alive and sentient, I'm not sure why this is relevant. ... meh.

Iron Man's armour - http://img505.imageshack.us/my.php?image=spzl9.jpg

Power supplies, wiring, magnetic repulsors ... all definitely not alive or sentient. Next.
Originally posted by DarkCrawler
B) Show that he is capable of being able to settle into NON-human form and being able to control that forms movement.
1. http://img453.imageshack.us/my.php?image=48629821oc4.jpg
2. http://img367.imageshack.us/my.php?image=56052688bq0.jpg

3. http://img453.imageshack.us/my.php?image=67134116ef0.jpg

Sandman is SP there.
Originally posted by DarkCrawler
C) Show enough proof that your characters have complete and perfect understanding of the Uni-Power’s every single delicate and unstable ability, and you can achieve THE perfect empowering to a character it has never encountered before, with different mind controlling it.
"I've never heard you say the word tomato ... so that means you can't say it"

We have all of the Uni-Power's powers, all it has to do to bond with a person is float into them.

1. http://img400.imageshack.us/my.php?image=captainuniversedaredevizk0.jpg
2. http://img502.imageshack.us/my.php?image=captainuniversedaredeviea2.jpg

3. http://img502.imageshack.us/my.php?image=captainuniversehulk117oo3.jpg

4. http://img504.imageshack.us/my.php?image=captainuniversess123zw1.jpg

As for knowledge ... The Uni-Power doesn't even have to go willingly to turn a regular type guy into a herald level character:

1. http://img502.imageshack.us/my.php?image=captainuniversess106uh4.jpg
2. http://img502.imageshack.us/my.php?image=captainuniversess107yo5.jpg

Simply entering the body is enough to massively magnify a person's abilities.

Why don't you show AS Superman giving his serum to lots of different people? or Black Alice sharing Shazam's power? or a Black Alice taking the powers of a Marvel character?

Space Phantom has a decent level of understanding of every being he abducts ... the above scans show proof of a few occasions of that.

erm

Originally posted by DarkCrawler
Only character that direct matter manipulation was allowed into was Absorbing Man, a fact that you yourselves flaunted quite lot in your match. Our Uru isn’t going anywhere.
I thought the Uru was an Armour and not part of your bodies (as BW has referred to it as such)

But if that's not allowed we can just transform their clothes into adamantium ... the results will be the same.

And even if we don't do that, unenchanted Uru has been shown to be considerably weaker than Mjolnir, Thor has carved it with nothing but his fingers, breaking it wont be a problem.
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Originally posted by Blair Wind
why would your three members take the Uncalculating risk of throwing their most powerful weapon away just IN CASE some of our member's are magical?
With our Herald/Captain Universe upgrades Mjolnir is far from our most powerful weapon.
Originally posted by Blair Wind
Black Alice can take control of the hammer.
Black Alice took control of the Helmet of Fate, stemming from the power of Nabu, the most powerful Lord of Order in the 9th magical age
We all know Black Alice is powerful ... what we also know is that she had to undergo massive power cuts to be allowed into the tourney. The only characters who have taken control over Mjolnir in the past have been Skyfathers (Odin, Zeus ... some Egyptian god) and Skyfather level beings (The Enchanters)

If you're now claiming This level of power for BA then you're blatantly going over the below Thanos limit for individual characters.
Originally posted by Blair Wind
And if you REALLY want to push us towards it, we can simply have Black Alice turn into Dargo again.
Has Black Alice ever actually taken over a character that only existed in a distant future?
Originally posted by Blair Wind
Why? Because Dargo actually uses 616 Mjolnir. What does that mean? Your weapon is suddenly ours.
Not really, both Mjolnirs have co-existed in the same time on a few occasions ... in fact doing this would be a very bad move for you, not only will you still be completely outclassed physically but at any moment Thor can rip your version of Mjolnir from you and use both at once.
Originally posted by Blair Wind
Superman is teleporting your hammer away
Superman, who has never used teleportation before, had no time to practice and had his new magic abilities torn from him isn't doing anything other than getting beaten senseless.
Originally posted by Blair Wind
Wonder Woman has you lassoed up
Your faux Wonder Woman isn't doing anything of the sort ... in fact, as there's no magic, she wont even exist.
Originally posted by Blair Wind
We have the surprise attack advantage.
Except that we attacked first (or at worst simultaneously) with a move that you have never seen or heard of before which takes away all of your magic ... seems our surprise is far superior to yours.

smile

Originally posted by Blair Wind
They have yet to defend the fact that the surboards made their way to their brains
Each of our characters has soul linked to gain control over the boards and each of our characters has many, many, times the power cosmic levels that you have ... our control will easily override your own.

Also, Thor's durability x 50 + Surfer's durability x 25 + Captain Universe durability = your boards couldn't leave a scratch even if they could get near us.

DigiMark007

Digi Post #4

First! On the "Warlock is Pissed!" Tour. We take back our board trick, by exposing BW/DC's faulty debating tactics.

http://img297.imageshack.us/my.php?image=board1dx7.jpg
http://img247.imageshack.us/my.php?image=board2ns3.jpg

BW/DC only used the FIRST scan, where Surfer is indeed unconscious. But I refer you to the second scan.

Surfer: "We're traveling on my surfboard. And you're controlling it!!!"

Traveling. As in, present tense. As in, Surfer's awake, conscious of what's going on, and possessed of his faculties and powers. And Warlock is STILL controlling it.

What does these mean?

It means we still have the boards. And at the very least, even if Surfer were to "fight" Warlock for control of them, Warlock is hindering the hell out of their entire team as they attempt to take control back. Imagine the boards suddenly getting a violent stomach ache, and are jostling all over the place. They can't fly, and anything they do will be hindered.

Advantage (big advantage) us!

...

...

Originally posted by DarkCrawler
They still keep saying that they are going to notice our characters. This is simply insane. Not only they don’t know AT ALL in which direction, which place we are, or where in middle of the limitless number of the atoms we are. They have no way of picking up our location with their senses.

I'll use Scoob's analogy again, because it's a good one and bears repeating. They are making themselves "invisible" to everything, which would be like hiding something from Superman using lead. It would be the only place he can't see.

1. We have microscopic vision, and senses on par with theirs (Surfer).
2. Warlock is more undetectable than they are, because he can simply cease to be present to any known means when he chooses. You've seen the scans. So great, woopee! You're trying to be undetectable. But Warlock really is, and we'll obviously have the initiative.

Originally posted by DarkCrawler
Besides, no, it's not the same as just a black place. We bend and repel energy in the same way that Invisible Woman does to light. Only we do it to ALL energy, so AL types of sight will just result to you seeing nothing.

So you're saying Surfer couldn't detect IW? And that you're doing the same thing?

erm

Originally posted by DarkCrawler
We WILL find Thor the INSTANT as we enter the battlefield. They can’t say the same. We WILL teleport his hammer away the 000000000000000001.th second we spot him, and they have NO MEANS of stopping it.

Still missing the point. All our strategy is, is "throw". Yours is "detect Thor, realize that he's trying to block our magic, then pinpoint the hammer with our powers and teleport it before it cuts off our only chance at remaining competitive in this fight"

So, how is it again that all that will happen before Cpt. Universe Thor does his ultra-complex "throw" maneuver??

roll eyes (sarcastic)

Originally posted by DarkCrawler
Besides, even if the hammer would by some crazy coincidence even finish one spin before our characters port it away (it wont), all they are doing is to block our access to the powers. They aren’t removing anything permanently, as soon as the hammer stopped spinning, Juggernaut was fine. We can either teleport it away mid-spin, or just fly away from the hammer-circle.

The hammer is encircling the battlefield. Either you'd have to go too far away to matter in the fight, or you have to face us without your magic pwoers....those are the options. Both end in you guys losing.

Originally posted by DarkCrawler
2. All-Star Superman potion and yes, we will have that.

First of all, the whole robot was MADE and PROGRAMMED by All-Star Superman so he knows all the things the robot does, just wasn’t doing it because he was entertaining Lois Lane. The Superman robots are VERY simple, not freaking supercomputers. The idea was his. The DNA was scanned by him. The chemicals made by him. He knows EVERYTHING needed to make the potion, no matter how you try to twist it.

Sweet! So you're going to have Keeper make the robot to Supes' exact specifications, have Superman program it to make the potion, map out your entire teams DNA structure, make changes to the formula (and robot) for each team member, and make the potions!

In 20 minutes.

no expression

Our power mesh whups the hell out of yours anyway, but I have to attack this sheerly on principle, because there's no way it's happening. At all.

Originally posted by DarkCrawler
3. Uni-Power.

First of all, it is true that Warlock soul-linked with Strange. I forgot that.

... smile

Originally posted by DarkCrawler
However, the time Strange encountered Uni-Power was extremely short phase in his life (seconds), and even during that time they Uni-Power transferred no information to him, he melded with Commander Arcturus Rann and used RANN'S knowledge of the Enigma Force to do the stuff they did in one page. Strange has never referred into Uni-Power or Captain Universe after that, and he doesn’t have super memory or anything.

Back the train up. Strange has been Cpt. Universe for a brief time. Also, you don't need super-memory...all memories are transferred in the soul-link, so mererly the fact that it happened is more than enough for a strategic genius like Warlock. So even if it was a brief encounter, it means nothing. The Uni-Power has come into contact with Thor as well IIRC, but the Strange instance was more convenient to post.

Originally posted by DarkCrawler
It is ridicolous to assume that they have any more then knowledge of Uni-Power’s existence and again, definitely ZERO information what it is like to be Uni-Power itself. All they would have is to what it is to like to be Captain Universe. Which doesn’t help them in turning and using the Uni-Power ITSELF. Space Phantom will be lost without the knowledge about what it is like to be Uni-Power.

All he's doing is floating into Thor. It's kinda hard to be "lost" doing that.

Originally posted by DarkCrawler
All are not true sentient beings, simply something programmed by their respective creators, like computers.

And Scoob's scans shoot that to hell, since he's become non-sentient beings, as well as "non-humanoids".

Originally posted by DarkCrawler
A) Show proof that Space Phantom can turn into a being with no true sentience (as in “it”, not “him” or “her”) and which has never shown any shred of true sentience, and is actually just part of energy force, and a floating energy globule to boot, so no humanoid form.

Check.

Originally posted by DarkCrawler
B) Show that he is capable of being able to settle into NON-human form and being able to control that forms movement.

Check again.

Originally posted by DarkCrawler
C) Show enough proof that your characters have complete and perfect understanding of the Uni-Power’s every single delicate and unstable ability, and you can achieve THE perfect empowering to a character it has never encountered before, with different mind controlling it.

Floating? Check.

Hey! 3 for 3. Do we get an A?

...

Over to Blair for a moment:

Originally posted by Blair Wind
We were hidden in atoms, how would you find us?

Warlock's hidden beyond reality. How you finding THAT? I think Warlockmania is runnin' wild over you and you just don't know what to do.

cool

Originally posted by Blair Wind
Hammer

That same hammer that will what, spin around the whole entire planet of Apokalips? When Thor only had it spin around a few buildings in the fight with Juggs?

No, just the area of the fight. If you decide to fly away, we don't really care. But if you want to face us, you'll have no magic.

Originally posted by Blair Wind
The Soul Link

Now heres comes the most interesting part of the battle. You profess that your Warlock is entirely undetectable, and that no one will know he is there. HOWEVER, seeing as Surfer and Warlock have soul linked, and if AW claims to have all the knowledge of SS from the soul link (enough to try and control SS's boards), doesn't that work BOTH ways?!?

In a word, no. Find me any evidence of this. Any. There isn't, because I've seen just about every Warlock appearence.

It's a one-way street. But nice try.

....

And back to DC to drive the nail in the coffin:

Originally posted by DarkCrawler
4. Them transmuting our Uru Skin – hey, are you seeing something wrong here?

Only character that direct matter manipulation was allowed into was Absorbing Man, a fact that you yourselves flaunted quite lot in your match. Our Uru isn’t going anywhere.

...can't...wait...to show....this...

http://img90.imageshack.us/img90/8407/71020934mr8.th.jpg http://img504.imageshack.us/img504/9567/64475236kz5.th.jpg

Thor. At base level. Crushing Uru to dust with his bare hands.

I think a picture of a dog with a "pwned" sign or something would be appropriate here, but I can't be bothered.

evil face

DigiMark007

DigiMark Post #5

This post will be short, but has 2 important parts.

Both are explicitly to make it easier on the judges.

Part I. I will list, briefly and accurately, everything we have shown. Nothing will be speculation. It will be entirely strategies and scans that we have laid forth. The actual scans/strategies are laced throughout our posts....this is just a summary of it.

Part II. Scoob and I have been working on a short "equation" that summarizes the battle. It's worth posting.

...

I.

- Warlock has hidden himself from an IG-wearer. He is undetectable until he strikes.
- We have shown Warlock controlling Surfer's (and thus Keeper's) board while he is conscious. Even if there's a struggle, this hinders them greatly.
- Warlock is easily the most skilled combatant in the fight
- We posess microscopic vision, our own cosmic awareness due to Surfer's power, and will detect them easily.
- Thor's magic-block is a proven technique. Their counter for it, dubious.
- We have shown that the Uni-Power enhances various attributes of a person, not just strength
- We have shown that we are aware of the Uni-Power via Warlock's soul-links with both Strange and now Thor.
- We have adamantium/vibranium armor
- We have shown Thor crushing Uru with his bare hands, the same stuff their armor is made of.
- We have shown that the Uni-Power is < Surfer at its base level
- We have shown SP becoming non-sentient beings (Iron Man's armor, Deathlok, etc.)
- We have shown SP becoming non-humanoid beings (Sandman. He also became a bird once)
- We have shown that it took a large amount of time and work to formulate an AS Superman potion for 1 person's specific DNA structure. They can't do it for Keeper at all, and doubtful for BA in 20 minutes.
- We have also shown that AS Supes' robot did much of the work, and thus they would need to replicate it as well for their plan to work.
- We have shown proof that we can share Surfer's power cosmic, and that the power will stay with our characters until we die or willingly give it up.
- We have shown ample evidence that the Uni-Power amps a person's power x50.
- We have Thor's massive lightning attack, which will drain AS Supes of his solar charge

That should about cover it. Please refer to any of our posts (and particularly Scoob and I's most recent ones) for extrapolation on these.

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II. The Equation

Keeper at peak = 70% Power Cosmic + AS Superman + 2/3 Captain Marvel + Magical TP/TK

Which is, at max, about 5 times regular Superman strength/durability level (at the most) + some decent energy powers, and mediocre TP + TK

Keeper is the only character they can boost to that level.

Warlock (our weakest) has himself + Firelord + Morg + (Surfer x 25)

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1 Herald boost is around 1 Superman in strength/durability

Any 2 heralds powers combined =/> Keeper

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Keeper = 5 x Superman + less than 2 full heralds worth of energy powers + TP/TK

Warlock = 25 x Superman and 27 heralds worth of energy + his own formidable powers

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That puts our weakest link so far over their strongest link that they aren't even close to the same weight class.

Now let's assume for a moment that our calculations are biased (they aren't, we're actually giving them the benefit of the doubt). Double Keeper's power in that equation. And Halve Warlock's. He's still more powerful.

....at this point, we've backed up everything. It took us a little time with a few things, but nothing should be in doubt. And our power mesh >>>>> theirs. Nuf' said.

DarkCrawler

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DarkCrawler’s Post #4.

Debating for the characters All-Star Superman and The Keeper

1. Our stealth and the hammer.

Again, they are claiming that they will find us. And they completely ignored what we said.

First of all, they say that they will be able to spot an “erratic pattern of energy”. This WOULD be true, it’s just that we are ATOM SIZED. They claim that in the 00000000000000.1th of second it takes us to teleport the hammer away, they are going to scan every single atom on the PLANET (as they don’t know WHERE in the planet we are) and are able to find us before we teleport it away with their microscopic vision only. Ridicolous. I don’t even need to elaborate on why it would not work; it’s such a crazy interpretation.

Oh, and they won’t have 25 times Surfer’ energy detection abilities. In fact they will not have any of their buffs, really. Something I will explain soon…

And no, Wisdom of Solomon isn’t tied into DC Universe or any particular universe as it works in alternate realities and dimensions. It simply tells Captain Marvel what he needs to know.

And even if the hammer had time to complete a spin, nothing is removed permanently, again. That scan shows only magic powers NOT WORKING in vicinity of the portal, not them being removed. It doesn’t take away anything. Just blocks them. The energy will still reside inside our characters, we just would not have access to it. However, consider when thor threw his hammer to negate Jugg's field and "cut him off from his magic" didn't juggs still retain his 'magical' strength??? Only the forcefield was gone. Hell he was still moving around even when Thor punched him. His durability was still high up their.

And no, it won’t “spin before we can do anything”, in the time it takes Thor to pull his hand back to throwing position it is already teleported away. Wisdom of Solomon, Cosmic awareness, psychic abilities. We spot them before they spot us. Or why not simply transmute the air around Thor's hand into an adhesive or solid metal so he can't throw the hammer in the first place? Our options are limitless, yours....not so much.

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2. Superman Potion.

Again, Superman made the computer. Superman made everything needed to do the potion. Because we have matter manipulator who can process infinite amount of knowledge in milliseconds and is also extremely intelligent, has the Quantum Bands to help us, and shares mind with All-Star Superman, and as they have superhuman reactions, AND are able to scan the genetic material in second, it will be done in matter of seconds. The reason why Superman, again, took so long, is because the time he needed to scan the DNA. The time it took to make the chemicals.

We can skip all that because we have a freaking matter manipulator of the highest order. Simple.

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3. Uru Armor.

Think again. All Thor did was to carve a hammer out of un-processed Uru ore that was mixed with other minerals. Unprocessed uru-ore is known to be pretty weak, as Uroc’s hand is made of it and got shattered.

Our Uru armor’s molecular structure is copied straight from Mjolnir. It’s not going anywhere.

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4. Herald sharing.

I don’t think they ever proved that other heralds powers can even be shared, much less that they stay when Space Phantom stops using them? They sure have lot of explaining to do in this area too. Not that it matters at all, because the next thing I put will simply make this matter meaningless.

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4. Uni-Power.

I’m just going to post one scan that makes everything discussed about Uni-Power here pointless. EVERYTHING. Here it is.

http://i15.tinypic.com/40pvogn.jpg

You saw it correctly. Space Phantom CAN’T. TURN. INTO. IMMORTALS. I'll show it again, this time the full scans (not the only time it is referred to in the comic) and two scans from different comic too showing the same.
http://i16.tinypic.com/4hx4d4o.jpg
http://i15.tinypic.com/33ze3k8.jpg
http://i18.tinypic.com/44ampn6.jpg
http://i13.tinypic.com/4bqd9hk.jpg

What does this mean? It means that…well, their whole prep plan went into drain. EVERYTHING they have made for their prep, EVERYTHING relies on the assumption that Space Phantom can absorb ageless beings, in other words, immortals.

He can’t.

Lets think about who Space Phantom has used before. The full list, after researching every Space Phantom’s appearance is…

Giant Man
Hulk
Iron Man
A random Hydra Soldier
Some kind of egg (yes, I guess he can turn into un-sentient beings. This, however doesn’t matter at the slightest)
Xemnu the Titan
Northstar
Spider-Man
She-Hulk
Sandman
Hawkeye
Black Panther
Deathlok
Mantis

And how many of them are immortals? None. Zero. None of them are even APPROACHING true immortality (Even Sandman. He has way too many low showings to be immortal, and obviously, since Space Phantom was able to use him, he isn’t immortal.) NONE of them are even remotely close to herald level!

And they are having him turn into Silver Surfer, Morg, Stardust, and the freaking Uni-Power. All which are immortals of HIGHEST order. ALL of the heralds are sustained and kept alive by Power Cosmic forever unless they are killed in battle. Surfer is still alive after 1000 years in Guardians of the Galaxy timeline. So is Firelord. Stardust doesn’t even have a freaking human body, he is made out of energy. And Morg, like others, is a Herald of Galactus, sustained by the PC. I really don’t think that anyone will go and argue that Heralds are not immortal.

And then there is the Uni-Power. I don’t even need to go further into it, a freaking mysterious energy force, and a representation of Enigma Force that has been on the universe since its beginning? If that isn’t immortal, I don’t know what is. Energy doesn’t eat or breathe. Energy doesn’t die. Energy doesn’t disappear over time. Uni-Power is immortal.

Space Phantom can’t turn into immortals, as documented on MULTIPLE different scans shown above. As Digi put it, "Bio's are notoriously incomplete." So while the bio states that he can not posses magical people, it is immortals he cannot posses. Which is EVERYONE you have tried to posses so far

They can’t turn into heralds, and they sure as hell aren’t turning into Uni-Power. They literally have no enchantments at all. Which means our team will crush them.

Tough, yeah, but all I am putting in the table are facts as shown by comics (and even SP’s bios state that he can only turn into MORTAL beings). No immortal beings. Research should have been done before using him so wildly. erm

Scoobless

Post #4 - Uni-Thor

Originally posted by DarkCrawler
They claim that in the 00000000000000.1th of second it takes us to teleport the hammer away, they are going to scan every single atom on the PLANET

First off ... no matter how many zeros you put in front of a decimal point, it all adds up to 0.1 ... stick out tongue

Second, as we've said at least 3 or 4 times, WE ARE NOT SCANNING FOR YOU BEFORE THROWING THE HAMMER!

erm

Your location is completely irrelevant, we're cutting off magic from the entire battlefield, you are within the battlefield, therefore we are cutting off your magic.

Originally posted by DarkCrawler
when thor threw his hammer to negate Jugg's field and "cut him off from his magic" didn't juggs still retain his 'magical' strength??? Only the forcefield was gone. Hell he was still moving around even when Thor punched him. His durability was still high up their.

Juggernaut's body was still altered, but all additional magics that are not part of himself were cut off.

Energy coming from outside sources such as Shazam will be gone.
Energy going from one character (Black Alice) to another will disappear.
Energy coming from characters other than themselves (Loki) will be gone.

Originally posted by DarkCrawler
All Thor did was to carve a hammer out of un-processed Uru ore that was mixed with other minerals. Unprocessed uru-ore is known to be pretty weak, as Uroc’s hand is made of it and got shattered.

All Thor did was crush refined Uru to dust with a simple squeeze from his hand.

http://img90.imageshack.us/img90/8407/71020934mr8.th.jpg http://img504.imageshack.us/img504/9567/64475236kz5.th.jpg

I like the way you ignored the most important and relevant points ... hope nobody else noticed or they may think that you can't defend against this (not that you can ... un-enchanted Uru is nothing special)

Here's a close up of the important parts:

http://img525.imageshack.us/img525/2318/uruki4.jpg

Originally posted by DarkCrawler
I don’t think they ever proved that other heralds powers can even be shared

We have proved that the Power Cosmic can be transferred, we are transferring Power Cosmic ... seems straight forward to me (though I do understand your need to deny basic facts)

Originally posted by DarkCrawler
I’m just going to post one scan that makes everything discussed about Uni-Power here pointless. EVERYTHING. Here it is.

http://i15.tinypic.com/40pvogn.jpg

Well done, you found a scan of one person speculating (with no proof whatsoever) about what he thinks that Space Phantom can't do .... and then you went on to base the rest of your post on this third party speculation ... politicians must love you.

How many of you believed that Sentry stalemated Galactus?

Or that "resistance is futile"?

smile

The fact remains that Space Phantom has only ever failed to steal two bodies:

One was Captain Mar-Vell - due to the fact that he was linked with Rick Jones and the Space Phantom can't copy two bodies at the same time.

The other was Thor (with Mjolnir) and it's well known that there are various enchantments on Thor and his hammer that stop his power from being stolen by anyone below Skyfather level.

Everything else DC has put forward here is merely him grasping at straws to save his overmatched and outclassed team.

wink

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It's obviously desperation time for our opponents, they have finally realised that we massively outclass them in power and strategy and are now relying on you to put all your faith in one single, unproven, line spoken by a third party.

They also want to use the old "They haven't done it before so they can't do it in a tourney" argument against us, when they themselves are using nothing but irrational concepts that have no on-panel evidence to support them.

erm

We posted the scans they requested as proof about SP.

We're still waiting for their scans showing Black Alice using the powers of a Marvel character.

Of AS Superman sharing his powers with multiple persons at once.

Of Black Alice sharing the powers of Shazam.

So post them whenever you're ready (though we are working under a deadline here)

Or are you just demanding proof without expecting to have to give any yourselves? ... but that can't be right, it's too hypocritical.

no expression

DarkCrawler

DarkCrawler’s Post #5.

Debating for the characters All-Star Superman and The Keeper

Oh boy, we are going to lay the smack down here so hard. Don’t know even where to start.

1. Hammer, hammer, hammer.

So, now they are saying that they throw the hammer to empty air, without even bothering to see where their enemies are. Hell, they don’t know that they ARE facing enemies.

And the battlefield is the entire freaking planet. We could be ANYWHERE in it. What are you going to do, have it circle the entire huge ass planet? laughing out loud

Well, by the time it completes a circle around a freaking PLANET, It’s teleported away.

Seriously, there nothing they can do about it. The hammer will NOT complete a circle or hundred freaking circles (which would be required to make a VORTEX, which you need to cancel our magic), before we teleport it far awaaaaaaay.

2. Uru.

Now they are saying that our Uru is unenchanted…it’s not…it has the magical energies of half a dozen users inside it, powering it. And we again, duplicated the metal’s molecular substance from Mjolnir itself, not some shackles. Obviously the same effort isn’t made in making shackles from the metal then a weapon of a god. Mjolnir was forged in the heart of star by the best dwarf blacksmith that has ever lived; the shackles were made by Thor…go figure the difference. And not only this, but we can use our matter manipulation powers to make it even more durable.

3. Uni-Power.

So. Here is the biggest f*ck-up they made. In the next following sentences I will show that they will not be turning into heralds and Uni-Power, and also show that they did not read my post. And no, we aren’t “grasping at straws”, as much as they would like to lead you to believe. I posted this picture there.
http://i18.tinypic.com/44ampn6.jpg

DING DING! You saw it correctly. Happy Dance

SPACE PHANTOM

STATES

HIMSELF

THAT

HE

CAN’T

TURN

INTO

IMMORTALS!

eek!

The other team is obviously confusing “grasping at straws” with hard, cold, merciless evidence. It’s right there, black on white, on page of official comic, stating that Space Phantom isn’t turning into immortals, never has, never will. They have zero buffs.

It took me literally fifteen minutes to write this post while the previous ones have taken more then hour or two. They are slipping. Seriously, no effort required, no discussion with partner, no frenzied search for scans...the evidence is right there. No heralds. No Uni-Power. Nothing.

…oh, and Digi? The dog pic? I think it is verrrry appropriate for this situation.

http://i12.tinypic.com/2i0ahxf.gif

illadelph12

Ouch...

DigiMark007

Digi Post #6

Originally posted by illadelph12
Ouch...

Hopefully that refers to the pic (which was funny, I'll admit), because the post was anything but...

...

This will once again be short. I'll say everything I have to say, and nothing more.

Part I. General Thoughts.

Part II. Why we win in insanely plain terms.

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I.

A. DC admitted SP can become non-sentient beings. So that debate is over. We also already posted non-humanoid scans, so we can do exactly what we say.

B. Wtf is an "immortal" anyway. I know Scoob already shot that scan down, but are they really looking for that much speculation to try to bring us down???

C. Our many scans of SP proof >>> their failed attempts to discredit us with unfounded logic and 1 speculative scan.

D. If you're microscopic, how exactly are you teleporting something that's billions of times larger than you (Mjolnir) in the opening miliseconds of the fight??

Magic-block STILL = thumb up

E. Loki can only amp people to roughly his level in telepathy, it's not 1000x no matter what. We already proved that. So how are you telepathically shielding yourself when we have Warlock's TP combined with Surfer's, which is much >> Loki's?? Again, you're just boned.

F. Just in case Thor crushing Uru with his bare hands wasn't enough:
http://img275.imageshack.us/img275/162/thor45020bf9.th.jpg http://img275.imageshack.us/img275/9650/thor45021fn2.th.jpg

...wow, is it weak unless you have specific Odin-enchantments (Mjolnir). With our Surfer powers, can can just freeze them and shatter them.

G. Actually their "complete" listing of SP's showings isn't complete. Hell, we posted him becoming different people in our last match (and I think this one too). More worthless speculation based upon incomplete information.

roll eyes (sarcastic)

H. DC says that AS Superman created everything needed for the potion. He's right. But that was never our point. The point is, it would take way too long to replicate the lab, robot, and map out DNA for it to even be close to feasible.

....

....

II.

Judges.

I understand.

You're saying to yourself, "Wow, this is some crazy sh*t from both sides. I don't know if it would all work." Believe me, I've been in your position. So let's ignore the craziness for a second.

Here I'm only looking at what our team can do at normal levels. And we still win. Our equation (Digi Post #5) already proved beyond ANY doubt that our power mesh is >>>> theirs. But even if you took that out, here's what you have:

- Thor's magic block, a proven techinque.
- Warlock's complete undetectibility from any known means (until he strikes)
- Thor crushing Uru with his bare hands (the stuff their team is using to protect themselves)
- Thor absorbing vast amounts of energy into Mjolnir, even if it isn't directed right at him.
- Warlock having much more cunning and skill than anyone in the fight.
- Warlock being able to control their boards, via his soul-link with Surfer (Keeper is 616 Surfer, years into the future). Or at the very least hinder them. Notice how they ditched the "We make our boads big inside your head" tactic? Right, because their boards are now a liability.
- Thor's lightning attack, which drains the charge from AS Supes.
- Thor being able to pin any of them with Mjolnir if he so desires, since they can't lift it due to its enchantments.

Again, this is all without our power meshing. We've proved beyond doubt that SP can do what we say he will. But even if you took that out, we still have them.

Those are the facts. BW/DC's strategy is, more and more, based on vague speculation and powers that will be getting blocked as soon as the fight starts.

We can beat them at base levels. And the power mesh, just crazily cool overkill.

cool

Blair Wind

Blair Wind Post #5

Originally posted by illadelph12
Ouch...

Ouch is right evil face

So lets recap:

Your SP is a worthless piece of nothing this fight. He cannot turn into Silver Surfer, or any other herald. He cannot transform into the Uni Power, and everything you did with his was non consequential.

Sorry, but the words coming from HIS mouth are more than just one speculative scan Digi. Dude no offense, but you got WTFPWND right there. I mean.....did you even read the scan? Seriously you guys, you are not going much for yourselves when you cannot even read the scans we present to you. Here it is again since you missed it: http://i18.tinypic.com/44ampn6.jpg

Read it this time

Moving on to select points that stuck out at me:

Superman Potion
Does ANYONE believe the BS that we cannot use the Superman potion?? I wonder if one simple superman potion is as hard as resurrecting dinosaurs, and then killing them through bio-molecular control.
http://img138.imageshack.us/my.php?image=doompy7.jpg
http://img172.imageshack.us/my.php?image=doom1hy2.jpg
You know how much chemical process must be taking place?

Or how about this "little" feat:
http://photobucket.com/albums/b305/surfistaprateado/CosPowUnlim_1996_004_27.jpg
http://photobucket.com/albums/b305/surfistaprateado/CosPowUnlim_1996_004_28.jpg

You cannot HONESTLY believe that Keeper cannot do this. Saving your team from pure horror is noble, but please, your failing at trying to disprove us.

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Soul Link
So your saying even though we have ample evidence that Keeper should be able to detect Warlock, given that he knows "ALL that is Warlock", we should disregard it because a writer never extrapolated that point? as Scoobless said, "I've never heard you say the word tomato ... so that means you can't say it" Common guys, you have more sense than that.

We know you, and Surfer will exploit that fact more than you ever could. Hence the saying: If you know the enemy and know yourself, you need not fear the result of a hundred battles. Hell why not just dump Warlock into the Quantum Zone???:
http://img177.imageshack.us/my.php?image=quasar20206iz.jpg
http://img177.imageshack.us/my.php?image=quasar20215tc.jpg

Face it, our options>>>Yours

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The teeny tiny expanding boards

Digi says: It means we still have the boards....and have you noticed they dropped that attack??

Uh?? Who dropped that attack? Surfer was knocked out when Warlock took control, and had not taken back control by then. Besides how are you going to control something that basically killed Thor before you even realized it was there?? Please tell me, I am really curious to know the answer, because it will be some mighty fine BS to be able to convince anyone about it.

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The hammer
Have we not beaten this subject down yet? We teleported it. Thor was out in the open standing around like the thunder idiot he is. We have so many options its not even funny:

Teleport it

Take control of the hammer through Black Alice (Doesn't put her above Odin level, it just happens to be a tactical advantage for her that she can "take over" things. Just like she "takes over" powers)

Take over as Dargo (which btw would be different for this match, as Dargo went back in time. Black Alice would not create a time loop, and as Dargo is from Keeper's time, he will be from his "present" )

Transmute the area around Thor's hand into a solid metal or adhesive so he cannot throw the hammer.

Please get this ridiculous notion that you will even get one swing out of your heads. It is not happening. And even if it did? We still have a million other ways to take it out. We can fly with Superman's powers and hit it off course with the Quantum Bands:
http://img480.imageshack.us/my.php?image=quasar38120vn.jpg
http://img480.imageshack.us/my.php?image=quasar38137pe.jpg

a blow from a mighty hammer does nothing to one of QB's shields:
http://img370.imageshack.us/my.php?image=quasar48135of.jpg

or maybe you need something more like this:
http://img53.imageshack.us/my.php?image=masters2.jpg
http://img57.imageshack.us/my.php?image=masters3.jpg

Again, our options are limitless.

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The Quantum Bands and Uru

We have been neglecting the glorious energy absorbing/manipulating trinkets that Keeper keeps on his wrists. Now we have already shown Warlock susceptible to energy draining
http://img522.imageshack.us/my.php?image=quasar38194cy.jpg

but you want to send magical lightning down on us? When we have Uru amour, hammers, and any other energy you throw at us will be absorbed by the Quantum Bands.

Or, since we wanted to do something bold with our bands, we can easily absorb the energy of a star
http://img386.imageshack.us/my.php?image=quasar160332nx.jpg
http://img386.imageshack.us/my.php?image=quasar160343ry.jpg

And then give everyone of our little Parademon friends an energy shield....uh? wait for it. evil face

The Planet?

Now, both have sides have failed to mention something that could very much show that we are going to win even greater than we were before! There are millions of Parademons on Apokolips as well as a lot of futuristic weaponry which we can co-opt for our attack. It doesn't have to be a 3 on 2 (since SP is worth nothing), it can be a 700,000+ on 2! All we have to do is use a telepathic suggestion on the Parademons as we can telepathically feel their presense and have them swarm Thor and Warlock with all their future weaponry. Something like this:
http://spider-bob.com/aliens_races/dc/images/Parademons01.jpg
Against Warlock and Thor. There's no rule against utilizing aspects of the battlefield that I'm aware of, so we made due.

This is not a desperate attack as I KNOW the other team will have you think it is, however this is just ANOTHER tactical advantage to our already winning team.

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Tactical Advantages

Sun Tzu says in Art of War,
"Now the general who wins a battle makes many
calculations in his temple ere the battle is fought.
The general who loses a battle makes but few
calculations beforehand. Thus do many calculations
lead to victory, and few calculations to defeat:
how much more no calculation at all! It is by attention
to this point that I can foresee who is likely to win or lose."

We simply out thought your team from the beginning and it led to your annihilation. We had the opening strike, which hindered all your assumptions out the window. Thor standing around, (and you did say you would detect our "magical" presences from the beginning, then changed tactics when you thought it might screw you over...), got you killed. Our Surfer's TP/TK with Loki's enhancements hit pretty damn hard, and you never found us. You never even tried looking from the beginning. You were just waiting for us to come to you, and when we did you were unable to properly defend yourselves. So what did you do? You went back and started a different opening, where Thor illogically threw his hammer IN CASE we had magical beings. Blatent Pre battle knowledge abuse.

Clever thinking, a more powerful team, and better strategic use of the battlefield will have us winning this battle.

Base Level?
You want to start comparing base levels and say who is more powerful?

Purely base level on both sides we still>>>>>>>>>>>>>in power

-SP has been proven to be of no use to you
- Keeper's complete knowledge of all that is Warlock.
- Black Alice's ability to take on Dargo thus leaving you without Mjolnir
- Keeper absorbing all kinds of energy thanks to the Quantum Bands.
- Keeper having the most experience of anyone in this tournament
- Superman having the best reaction speeds on both sides.
- Our whole team being faster than yours.
-Power Cosmic>>>>you guys.

Face it. Purely on base levels we pwn you. Power meshing included?? We still pwn you.

Judges

Those are the facts. Digi/Scoob's strategy is, more and more, based on vague speculation and powers that they will never be able to actually channel. Their reaction speeds pale in comparison to ours, and our tactical advantages place us in the lead of this battle. They have no chance for victory. At. ALL.

DarkCrawler

DarkCrawler’s Post #6.

Debating for the characters All-Star Superman and The Keeper

Judges,

As you have by now probably noticed, this match is ours. Easily. This post is pretty short because…I don’t even have to arg

They have not only ignored 50% of the stuff we have posted, but hopelessly try to take out our unmatched scans of Space Phantom’s Immortality-weakness by posting…nothing. This post (And Blair Wind’s) will show clearly that SP can’t do it, and that thy will get taken down.

Sure, they started strong. This was before we researched them though. We have every appearance of Uni-Power and Space Phantom now. Adam Warlock. Even the properties of Uru. Knowledge is power.

My next post will, without a doubt crush their feeble attempts of defending anything, with ease, with lot of proof provided.

Anyway, Blair Wind will take out the whole hammer argument and superman potion, so I focus on other things.

1. Da Uru is in the house.

As you can see, they keep coming with evidence of Uru’s properties which have nothing to do with Mjolnir.

Evidence A) Uru shackles being broke by Thor.

Please. Do they REALLY think that some shackles made by Thor are given 0.0000001% of the time and effort that Mjolnir is? Thor isn’t a master blacksmith. Neither did he make the shackles in the heart of the Sun.

Evidence B) Uroc’s body.

Hah! This is even more ridicolous! Uroc was made by a troll weapon smith (who although, is respected, is nothing compared to THREE best blacksmiths that have ever lived), in HURRY, from freaking Uru ore found in some mines.

Now, NOTHING that compares to the time and effort that was given to freaking Mjolnir. It was made by the three best blacksmiths alive in the HEART OF THE SUN!
http://i16.tinypic.com/3500abn.jpg
http://i19.tinypic.com/43yned4.jpg

True, it WAS blessed by Odin Power, but like you can see from the time Thor had his hammer without Odin’s enchantments, it was still as durable as it is, toppling the freaking leader of the freaking CELESTIALS.
http://i12.tinypic.com/2wpumvb.jpg

Odin did not make the hammer as durable as it is. The blacksmiths made. And our skin is as durable as Mjolnir is.

2. Telepathic protection.

Did they somehow miss that our psychic detection resistance is so good that even Eon and Galactus can’t find us…? Looks like they did. Anyway, here:
http://img120.imageshack.us/img120/7604/keeper5shieldingyz7.jpg

3. Space Phantom.

Oh, but are they wrong. I HAVE researched every appearance of Space Phantom, and I DID post every character he has turned into. Here is his appearance list, taken straight out of the site they posted.

Avengers #2, 105-108, 135, 267-268
Avengers Forever #8
Avengers Giant Size #4
Captain America #113
Journey Into Mystery #108
Rom #19
Spectacular Spider-Man #168-170
Thor #281-282
…the site didn’t mention Beyond #1-6, where he also appeared, but me, as a wise man, included them to the list. Now.

Lets count the number of times when Space Phantom turns into immortals. The count, naturally stars at 0.

http://i18.tinypic.com/43p91k2.gif

On Avengers #2, the people he turns into are: A weird spaceship thingy, meteorite, a random bystander, Hulk, Iron Man, Giant Man.

Avengers #105-#108, he turns into: Hawkeye, Black Panther, and Iron Man (again).

Avengers #267 and #268 are flashback type sequences from the first fight.

Avengers Giant Size #4, nothing else but Mantis.

Cap. America #113 includes Madame Hydra, random Hydra soldier.

Journey into Mystery 108? He turns into nothing at all (this is an issue he is set free from the Limbo).

Rom the Space Knight #19 is hardly in continuity, and even there, the only person he turns into is a buddy of Rom, Karas.

Spectacular Spider-Man #168-#170? Spider-Man, She-Hulk, Sandman.

Avengers Forever #8? Nobody, he was outside time. Maybe this is why he can’t turn into immortals, because of their funny relation to time and such.

Thor #281-282 – he was trapped into Limbo the whole time, so he turned into nobody.

Beyond #1-6? Spider-Man, Xemnu, Northstar, Deathlok. I guess you know what comes next…

Total count of immortals?

http://i18.tinypic.com/43p91k2.gif

Well, look at that. Not only we have undeniable (as much as Digi and Scoobs TRY to deny it) proof that Space Phantom, can’t indeed turn into immortals, even Space Phantom himself admitting it in CRYSTAL CLEAR words:
http://i16.tinypic.com/4hx4d4o.jpg
http://i15.tinypic.com/33ze3k8.jpg
http://i18.tinypic.com/44ampn6.jpg
http://i13.tinypic.com/4bqd9hk.jpg

We also have proof that he never HAS turned into immortals. I don’t know, but I think the reason he can’t turn into immortals is because it has been established that he can’t turn into immortals? Oh yeah, and what happened the ONLY time he actually TRIED to turn into immortal? He got taken out. And the bio they themselves posted CLEARLY mentions that he can turn only into mortal beings. They without a doubt try to disprove this in some way, but, as I have seen every appearance of Space Phantom, I know they can’t.

Hopefully the judges now know it also. We have posted proof that Space Phantom can’t turn into immortals, they have posted nothing that would prove otherwise. Nada, zero, zilch.

So, as conclusion, they don’t get any powers of Heralds, and they don’t get any Uni-Power either. They aren’t finding us, they aren’t taking away our magic buffs, and we, because we are many times more powerful then they are, will take them down with ease.

Scoobless

Post #5 - Uni-Thor

Originally posted by DarkCrawler
So, now they are saying that they throw the hammer to empty air, without even bothering to see where their enemies are.

That was always the case

Originally posted by DarkCrawler
And the battlefield is the entire freaking planet. We could be ANYWHERE in it. What are you going to do, have it circle the entire huge ass planet? laughing out loud

Well, by the time it completes a circle around a freaking PLANET, It’s teleported away.

A hammer travelling at 3 x lightspeed or more (as there's no restrictions on the speed limits of energy blasts or attacks, only physical movement of our characters) would be effectively invisible.

Add to that the fact that your team is microscopic and the relative distance between you and the hammer is always going to be millions of miles .... which is far beyond the range of your teleporting abilities in the first place.

Mjolnir will be circling and re-circling the entire battlefield in instants and there's nothing you can do to stop it.

You have no magic.

Originally posted by DarkCrawler
Now they are saying that our Uru is unenchanted

It is unenchanted .... absorbing a few energy signatures isn't even remotely the same as a Skyfather's enchantments.

Originally posted by DarkCrawler
http://i18.tinypic.com/44ampn6.jpg

So he thinks he can't abduct immortals ... once again you have used speculation and treated it as proof (you're not a criminal prosecution lawyer, are you?)

How many times have you seen character say/think they can't do something only to do it anyway a few panels/issues later?

SP didn't and still doesn't know the full extent of the enchantments on Mjolnir, which led him to believe his power was hindered by Thor's lifespan .... this, in turn, has led him to not attempt to copy other immortals.

The fact remains that there is nothing anywhere in any comic that proves he can't copy a being just because they happen to have a long lifespan.

There is also nothing that proves that Heralds or the Uni-Power are immortal.

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Originally posted by Blair Wind
Does ANYONE believe the BS that we cannot use the Superman potion?? I wonder if one simple superman potion is as hard as resurrecting dinosaurs, and then killing them through bio-molecular control.
http://img138.imageshack.us/my.php?image=doompy7.jpg
http://img172.imageshack.us/my.php?image=doom1hy2.jpg
You know how much chemical process must be taking place?

Using Doom's feats?

Pointless!

Next.

Originally posted by Blair Wind
Or how about this "little" feat:
http://photobucket.com/albums/b305/surfistaprateado/CosPowUnlim_1996_004_27.jpg
http://photobucket.com/albums/b305/surfistaprateado/CosPowUnlim_1996_004_28.jpg

Super antibiotic powers ... wow ... that will come in handy if you pick up a cold or something ... otherwise it's pointless.

Next.

Originally posted by Blair Wind
So your saying even though we have ample evidence that Keeper should be able to detect Warlock

What evidence?

Originally posted by Blair Wind
Hell why not just dump Warlock into the Quantum Zone???:
http://img177.imageshack.us/my.php?image=quasar20206iz.jpg
http://img177.imageshack.us/my.php?image=quasar20215tc.jpg

Because that type of BFR was banned. Pay attention.

Originally posted by Blair Wind
Take control of the hammer through Black Alice (Doesn't put her above Odin level, it just happens to be a tactical advantage for her that she can "take over" things. Just like she "takes over" powers)

Just like she took over Spectre.

A lot of her powers are over the caps, you wanted her in so she was cut down and now you want her pulling out Skyfather level feats?

Cheating should be beneath you by this point.

Originally posted by Blair Wind
a blow from a mighty hammer does nothing to one of QB's shields:
http://img370.imageshack.us/my.php?image=quasar48135of.jpg

Thor w/Mjolnir >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thunderstrike.

Originally posted by Blair Wind
or maybe you need something more like this:
http://img53.imageshack.us/my.php?image=masters2.jpg
http://img57.imageshack.us/my.php?image=masters3.jpg

Thor >>>>>>>>> Masterson (and Masterson still won that fight)

Originally posted by Blair Wind
use a telepathic suggestion on the Parademons as we can telepathically feel their presense and have them swarm Thor and Warlock with all their future weaponry. Something like this:
http://spider-bob.com/aliens_races/dc/images/Parademons01.jpg

Our TP (Warlock + 27 herald powerups) >>>>>>>>>>>> your TP

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Originally posted by DarkCrawler
We also have proof that he never HAS turned into immortals.

And we have proof that Black Alice has never, ever, become a Marvel character or shared Shazam's powers (along with many other things you and every other team are attempting that haven't happened in comics)

You seem to want to try and get away with anything you can while complaining when other teams try things that haven't been done before.

Why is that?

erm

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BW/DC have used absolutely nothing other than speculation to try to sway your opinions on Space Phantom.

Even the character in question commenting on what he thinks might limit himself is not proof in any sense of the word ... comics are notorious for people claiming things to be impossible then doing those same things anyway.

If they had a scan of Space Phantom actually failing to take over an immortal (who didn't possess magical abilities) then they still wouldn't have proof that our plan couldn't work as they can't definitively prove that anyone we're using him for is immortal.

The only limits that Space Phantom has EVER been shown to have are against magical beings or against copying more than one person at a time.

Anything else is either complete guesswork or total BS.

They realise that our power levels >>>>>>>>>>>>>> theirs and are desperate to say anything that could alter that.

A herald enhanced, uni-power multiplied, Thor could demolish their entire team solo .... so you can understand their need to resort to attempted cap-breaking, BS and false claims of "proof"

Yes, there are a lot of things in this match (on both sides) that have never taken place in a comic and probably never will. That's not the point of these tourneys though ... everyone involved is taking characters and using them to their full potential and even using them to massively enhance the potential of others.

BW/DC are doing this just like almost everyone else in the tourney has, yet they still feel the need to argue against our ability to do the same for the simple reason that we have done it better than them.

Speculation does not equal proof.

Hyperbole does not equal proof.

In regards to their arguments against Space Phantom, they have no proof!

smile

DarkCrawler

DarkCrawler’s Post #7.

Debating for the characters All-Star Superman and The Keeper

See, I told you so. They still try to claim that Space Phantom can turn into immortals, despite everything, and I mean everything, showing the contrary. It’s obviously clear that they can’t actually prove that Space Phantom can turn into immortals, so they try to say that we are speculating, which we are. Let me put the evidence here in the table.

A) Space Phantom has never, ever, in any comic he has been, taken the form of immortal being. Now, this ALONE would not be enough proof. However, when it is combined with the following ones, it is.

B) Grim Reaper, Space Phantoms partner, states that the reason that Space Phantom could not take upon the forms of immortals. As his only source for this would be Space Phantom, this already proves it…however…

C) Space Phantom HIMSELF states, on clear words, that he CAN’T abduct immortals. He DOESN’T speculate it. He doesn’t say “When I tried to mimic Thor’s form I could not absorb it, I believe that this is because he is immortal”, or “When I tried to mimic Thor I couldn’t, I don’t know why, but it’s probably because of his immortality or something”. No. He says, clearly, confidently, “When I tried to mimic Thor’s form – and found to my displeasure that immortals resisted my power.” No speculation there.

D) The only time he actually tried to steal the body of an immortal, he went straight into Limbo. Go figure.

What made me laugh the most is this, however:

They are actually inventing their own plotlines now! hysterical I am sorry, but this gives basically a whole new meaning for the word desperate. They have realized that they have no way of disproving the scans that we have posted, so they post ridicolous stuff like this. NOWHERE was it said that the reason why Space Phantom could not change to Thor was because of the enchantments in the Mjolnir.

Hell, they are even making up the exact psychological reasons why SP never turned into immortals…when the reason is right there, in front of your eyes. He can’t, because immortals simply resist his power. Plain as that.

They LITERALLY are pulling explanations out of their head and expect people to believe it.

And they have the balls to accuse us of speculation? laughing

Then they try to strawman the argument. In very clumsy way.

And that is retardedly different from our argument. We have proof that Space Phantom has never, ever, ever, turned into immortal character, has himself said that he can’t turn into immortal character, and the only time he turned into immortal character he got one-way ticked back to Limbo. They can’t say the same about any of our prep things.

I would not call scans where character himself says that he can’t do something and when he does that something it doesn’t work “absolutely nothing else then speculation”. However, the way that they try to explain away our scans, is nothing else then speculation.

No, the only limits he has shown are against immortals and two minds, as stated by himself.

We have a lot of proof in regards of our arguments of Space Phantom.

They, however, got nothing. Not a single scan where Space Phantom would refute his argument of not being able to absorb immortals, not a single scan where he would absorb an immortal, and nothing else then their pathetic making up of stuff that they falsely call “proof”.

It’s clearly put there. Space Phantom is not able to turn into immortals.

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Not only this pathetic display of “debating”, but also the fact that they don’t even seem to read the scans we put.

See what I am meaning? They completely ignored the fact that Surfer was shown to go to molecular level on THOUSANDS of bodies at once, searching for only specific things out of limitless number of cells, and doing it all in seconds. We didn’t put that here as an display of healing powers…but as an display of how it would not be any trouble at all for Surfer to do everything AS-Superman’s computers do.

Well, isn’t this hypocritical. They can use Surfer’s feats in regards of all Heralds when displaying the capabilities of Power Cosmic, but we can’t use Doom’s feats? Okkk…

They also ignored the fact that teleporting isn’t the only way we can take out the hammer before it has time to complete one circle, much less hundreds that are needed to make a vortex around the freaking PLANET. Why? Because they can’t stop it.

Oh yeah, and your hammer can ONLY move at lightspeed, not above. We asked Batdude that. Hence we could not have our boards move half a million times lightspeed and hit with force that is equal to twice the mass of Earth…

Oh, and the Parademons are attacking you still. That also distracts your characters a lot…

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Let me make a summary again.

I let BW handle Black Alice.

We have proof that Keeper is capable of doing everything needed to make the Superman potion. His reaction speed, molecular manipulation capabilities and everything are up to the task.

We have proof that Space Phantom has never turned into immortals, that he himself says that he can’t turn into immortals, and the only time he turned into one was a failure.

We have multiple ways of stopping the hammer – our capabilities and reaction times are easily up to the task.

Oh, and because Space Phantom can’t turn into immortals, they also have no buffs. They have unbuffed Thor, unbuffed Adam Warlock, and their third character is somewhere in Limbo because he foolishy tried to take the form of an immortal.

Judges can choose who to vote – the ones who put scans and take down the argument from every place – or the ones who try to make up their own plotlines to explain their character’s weakness (I can’t be the only one who thinks that is crazy) and who have put thus far zero scans of the character able to do something.

DarkCrawler

NON OFFICIAL

That is obviously meant to say that we AREN'T. stick out tongue

DigiMark007

DigiMark Post #7

Characters: Warlock and Thor

Part I. General Thoughts

Part II. Responses to DC/BW

I.

A. To all judges, please refer to my Posts #5 and 6 if you haven’t already. They summarize a lot of our comments throughout the battle, and catalog everything that we’ve shown with our scans and logic.

These, to me, are my most important posts, because it’s easy to get lost trying to follow the give-and-take of everything else. I think it lays out our case well.

B. I’ve had fun. This will be one of my last posts (maybe the very last). I’ve enjoyed the tourney, the competition, and working with Scoob. Congrats to all, and thank you to batdude and the judges.

J

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II.

I’ll respond mostly to Blair this time, because I realized that most of my energies have been towards DC thus far.

Originally posted by Blair Wind
Sorry, but the words coming from HIS mouth are more than just one speculative scan Digi. Dude no offense, but you got WTFPWND right there. I mean.....did you even read the scan? Seriously you guys, you are not going much for yourselves when you cannot even read the scans we present to you. Here it is again since you missed it: http://i18.tinypic.com/44ampn6.jpg

So Surfer's an immortal? Because I thought he was a normal mortal + a cosmic upgrade from Galactus. Thor was born an Asgardian Immortal. So, um, you're wrong. Completely.

Originally posted by Blair Wind
You cannot HONESTLY believe that Keeper cannot do this. Saving your team from pure horror is noble, but please, your failing at trying to disprove us.

No, I believe he can do it. But, again, that's not the issue. He has 20 minutes to map out two wildly different DNA structures, create a complex robot (and laboratory) to AS Supes' exact specifications, and tweak the forumla code fro each person....then actually make the stuff.

Besides, our power mesh >>>>> yours, as we've shown. But this isn't happening anyway.

...our mesh uses our character's base powers, that we've all proven. Yours requires more time than you have.

Originally posted by Blair Wind
Soul Link
So your saying even though we have ample evidence that Keeper should be able to detect Warlock, given that he knows "ALL that is Warlock", we should disregard it because a writer never extrapolated that point? as Scoobless said, "I've never heard you say the word tomato ... so that means you can't say it" Common guys, you have more sense than that.

Scoobless didn't say it in reference to Warlock, so that's a mis-quote.

Yes, he knows all that is Warlock. Never stated otherwise. But he doesn't have soul powers. Warlock does. The board control is due to those soul powers. End of story.

I also never said Warlock would detect Keeper due to the soul link. He has never displayed that power (nor has Surfer/Keeper). He's detecting you guys because we have enhanced sense that are >> yours, and Warlock is undetectible, but you aren't.

So that's beyond speculation, Blair. You're creating a power that even our team doesn't have, then trying to use it for your own.

Originally posted by Blair Wind
The teeny tiny expanding boards

Digi says: It means we still have the boards....and have you noticed they dropped that attack??

Uh?? Who dropped that attack? Surfer was knocked out when Warlock took control, and had not taken back control by then. Besides how are you going to control something that basically killed Thor before you even realized it was there?? Please tell me, I am really curious to know the answer, because it will be some mighty fine BS to be able to convince anyone about it.

He wasn't unconscious the whole time. I already proved that with scans in my Post #5 (see the beginning of the post for details). And so Warlock can control their boards, or at the very least hinder them greatly as they try to do anything with them.

That plan of theirs was never happening.

Originally posted by Blair Wind
The hammer
Have we not beaten this subject down yet? We teleported it. Thor was out in the open standing around like the thunder idiot he is. We have so many options its not even funny

You're microscopic! By comparison, Mjolnir is about the size of Jupiter, and is traveling > lightspeed as soon as the fight starts. Tell me, have any of your guys teleported a planet before...or a planet they can't even find??

Originally posted by Blair Wind
The Planet?

Now, both have sides have failed to mention something that could very much show that we are going to win even greater than we were before! There are millions of Parademons on Apokolips as well as a lot of futuristic weaponry which we can co-opt for our attack. It doesn't have to be a 3 on 2 (since SP is worth nothing), it can be a 700,000+ on 2! All we have to do is use a telepathic suggestion on the Parademons as we can telepathically feel their presense and have them swarm Thor and Warlock with all their future weaponry.

hysterical

First, our telepathy >>> theirs. We have Warlock enhanced by Surfer many times over. They have....Loki-ish tp? And that's only until the magic block.

Second, telepathically taking over hundreds of thousands of anything? Again, utterly moronic. Remember in Annihilation when Moondragon went crazy trying to subdue a few dozen of Annihilus' drones? Yeah, you think Loki would be able to handle anything more?

Hell, Apokalips, if I'm not mistaken, has drained Superman in the past due to its makeup. If we wanted, we could make the case that you guys will be at a disadvantage. But we don't even need it.

...so just ignore that whole thing. It's a waste of keystrokes, both for Blair to attempt it in desperation, and me to logically counter it.

Originally posted by Blair Wind
Base Level?
You want to start comparing base levels and say who is more powerful?

Yes, please. Go back over the two lists of "base level powers". Mine's in my #6 post. See which one is more impressive. We whup the hell out of them.

And stuff like "Keeper has full knowledge of Warlock" isn't base level. It's speculation. Ours is simply facts, and stuff that we've shown that isn't even close to controversial.

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Originally posted by DarkCrawler
They have not only ignored 50% of the stuff we have posted

If by ignore, you mean "countered", then sure. We've been nothing if not thorough in this match.

Originally posted by DarkCrawler
Sure, they started strong. This was before we researched them though. We have every appearance of Uni-Power and Space Phantom now. Adam Warlock. Even the properties of Uru. Knowledge is power.

Indeed.

Yeah, we started strong. Then you came up with some pertinent questions and said "prove it". So we were like, "You know what? They're right." So we did prove it. Our plan beats yours, many times over. This always came down to proof, which we have.

They have 1 scan and some excitingly liberal interpretation skills.

....

They also keep trying to make you believe that, I dunno, they're made out of pure Mjolnir or something. They aren't. It's Uru. And we can crush it easily.

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That's probably going to do it for me. So nice match, and good luck to all.

Bigsmak

Originally posted by DigiMark007
utterly moronic.

roll eyes (sarcastic)

Major understatement

Bigsmak

Why are only a couple of people posting in this thread? it seems like one of the more imaginative "fights" going on in this forum. Seems like the whole thing is hinged on this Space Phantom person (who I had never even heard of until I read a few of these posts) One guy says he's only ever failed to "abduct" 2 people (how does he even do this in the first place?) the other guys seem to want this not to be true and are posting word balloons where the phantom guy is talking about his abducting problems (Does speech really count as "evidence" in these matches? because it seemed to me like the guy didn't really understand the Thor situation).

This thread seems really long even though the post count is really low.

confused

darthgoober

Originally posted by Bigsmak
Why are only a couple of people posting in this thread? it seems like one of the more imaginative "fights" going on in this forum. Seems like the whole thing is hinged on this Space Phantom person (who I had never even heard of until I read a few of these posts) One guy says he's only ever failed to "abduct" 2 people (how does he even do this in the first place?) the other guys seem to want this not to be true and are posting word balloons where the phantom guy is talking about his abducting problems (Does speech really count as "evidence" in these matches? because it seemed to me like the guy didn't really understand the Thor situation).

This thread seems really long even though the post count is really low.

confused

Because it's a tourney match, and no one but the participants and judges are supposed to post here wink

Bigsmak

Ok, but shouldn't it say that in the title or something?

King Kandy

Originally posted by Bigsmak
Ok, but shouldn't it say that in the title or something?
"Batdudes Tourney Final"... roll eyes (sarcastic)

darthgoober

Originally posted by Bigsmak
Ok, but shouldn't it say that in the title or something?
Well they announced that it was a tourney match, but I guess batdude didn't think to post an announcement about other posters(he's normally more careful about that sort of thing). Anyway, no one will likely hold it against you(seeing as how your new), so I wouldn't worry about it if I was you. smile

Bigsmak

Originally posted by King Kandy
"Batdudes Tourney Final"... roll eyes (sarcastic)

I must have missed the part where it states "Please don't post unless you're actually in the match"

I'll stop now, but don't use the rolleyes smiley when you clearly have nothing to be smug about, it just makes you seem like a wanker.

smile

DigiMark007

Glad you're enjoying yourself Bigsmak. And no worries on posting.

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Digi Post #8

Characters: Warlock and Thor

….endgame.

Originally posted by Blair Wind
Tactical Advantages

Sun Tzu says in Art of War,
"Now the general who wins a battle makes many
calculations in his temple ere the battle is fought.
The general who loses a battle makes but few
calculations beforehand. Thus do many calculations
lead to victory, and few calculations to defeat:
how much more no calculation at all! It is by attention
to this point that I can foresee who is likely to win or lose."

http://img48.imageshack.us/img48/8696/dinotourney2cl5.jpg

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That having been said, it’s time for the rebuttal:

Let’s start off with Sun Tzu himself, because he’s definitely not on their side:

”All warfare is based on deception.”

Warlock completely undetectable.

...

”Attack him where he is unprepared, appear where you are not expected.”
…they won’t even know that Warlock exists until I start taking it to them. And controlling their boards and using them against them (proven even after they tried to mis-represent my initial scans) certainly counts as “unexpected”.

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The art of using troops is this:
......When ten to the enemy's one, surround him;
......When five times his strength, attack him;
......If double his strength, divide him;
......If equally matched you may engage him;
......If weaker numerically, be capable of withdrawing;
......And if in all respects unequal, be capable of eluding him,
..........for a small force is but booty for one more powerful."

Our equation proved beyond doubt that we are >>>> them. They’re weaker, and they can’t elude us.

....

To fight and conquer in all your battles is not supreme excellence; supreme excellence consists in breaking the enemy's resistance without fighting.

Board control. Magic block. We’re chopping them down before we even lay a finger on them. Our plan is smooth and efficient.

…

But Sun Tzu isn’t the only one on our side. Let’s turn to an infinitely less combatitive Asian (Lao Tzu, credited author of the Tao Te Ching)

”Therefore the sage abides in the condition of wu-wei (unattached action) and carries out the wordless teaching.”

Adam Warlock, purged of good and evil, walks the middle path between the two that is true to nature. One cannot exist without the other (opposites) and this opposition leads to conflict, turmoil, and strife. But, resting in the heart of this insanity, he is his own entity, and removed from conventional forces of virtue, value, and honor. His actions are unattached to a philosophical creed, and his contributes to the goings-on of the world while remaining separate from them.

As it applies to or match, he is beyond the realms of chaos and order (reality) and is uniquely qualified to fully assess the situation and pan our strategy. Our plan will work, because we have him. Their team cannot say the same.

....

Or Hamlet:

There is special providence
in the fall of a sparrow. If it be now, ‘tis not to come;
if it be not to come, it will be now; if it be not now, yet it will come.
The readiness is all.

We stand at the precipice. Our fates not our own, all will be as it will be. If it is our time, it will not be yours; and if yours, not ours. Good luck, friends.

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Finally:

” ‘We can sexy’ is totally going to be my epitaph!”
T-Rex

Not really tourney related, but it’s a great epitaph.

13

Blair Wind

Have to keep this short, but as a recap to what is going on to the Judges here this is:

They left Thor standing out in the open. We were cloacked from all attacks.

As soon as the battle began, we had the tiny surfboards expand inside their brains *and they claim they can control something they do not even know we have till it is too late....that makes no sense confused

*, telepathically and telekinetically struck out at them, and then teleported the hammer away while we regrow *or our various other ways of taking out the hammer. Choose one from: Taking control, switching to Dargo, Quantum Bands*

If Warlock knows all that is Surfer, then the same should be true for Surfer knowing all that is Warlock as evidenced by the same scans Digi used for this tournament. He can detect him, and if you are of the line of thinking that it will not take place, then with Warlock taking over the boards, he will detect him.

The boards (with atom slicing spiked) should effectively take Thor out ANYWAYS. Anything else is just speculation that he survives. It is our the first of our FIRST wave of attacks, AND it is not based on magic. So if you believe the magic will be negated, this is a well placed strike against them. Brian matter will be splattered everywhere as they expand, slicing everything.

SP cannot turn into Immortals. Surfer (Keeper) has been living for 500+ years. 616 Surfer is the same. He cannot take his form, or any other form you might want. His powers only work on HUMANS.

Our telepathy is more than JUST Loki's enhanced. Remember that Keeper has massive amounts of it. He can control the Parademons to attack you. It is just another avenue as to which we will win

Our use of Art of War is advantages to us. We out thought you in the writeup. We have cloacked our whole team while you did not. The use of that quote makes me laugh considering that Thor is just standing there doing nothing.

Just remember, that our systematic shut down of their team with first strike attacks, blocking their attacks with counter defenses, and then overwelming them with numbers is superior to their plans.

Bigsmak

Ramma lamma lamma ka dingidy ding de dong.
Shoo bop shoo wadda wadda yippidy boom de boom.
Chang chang, changidy chang she bop.
Dip de dip de dip doo wap de dooby doo.
Boogidy boogidy boogidy boogidy shooby be do-wap shoo-wop.
Shanna nanna nanna nanna yippidy dep de doo!

Ramma lamma lamma ka dingidy ding de dong.
Shoo bop shoo wadda wadda yippidy boom de boom.
Chang chang, changidy chang she bop.
Dip de dip de dip doo wap de dooby doo.
Boogidy boogidy boogidy boogidy shooby be do-wap shoo-wop.
Shanna nanna nanna nanna yippidy dep de doo!

A whomp bop a loo-bop a whomp bam boom!

Grease

Blair Wind

Oh

TRINITY OF POWER ROCKS

Good luck to both sides, and thanks for a great match. smile

Martian_mind

I found Digi and scoobs together under the fooshball table.

Who knew Digi was that flexible?

DigiMark007

Um, fooshball?

Anyway, keep stuff like that to the discussion thread. Let's not spam this up, at least until the judges vote.

DarkCrawler

DarkCrawler’s Post #8.

Debating for the characters All-Star Superman and The Keeper

The Final Statement.

I would like to thank Digimark007 and Scoobless for extremely interesting match, and Batdude and judges for giving us the chance to do it. smile

That said, I will now go exactly why our characters will win the last time.

1. Space Phantom

The fact is, we have without doubt proved that Space Phantom simply can’t turn into immortals. It’s not speculation. It is a fact. Every single shred of evidence is in our side. I will post my original statement with scans included.

A) Space Phantom has never, ever, in any comic he has been, taken the form of immortal being. Now, this ALONE would not be enough proof. However, when it is combined with the following ones, it is.

B) Grim Reaper, Space Phantoms partner, states that the reason that Space Phantom could not take upon the forms of immortals. As his only source for this would be Space Phantom, this already proves it…however…
http://i15.tinypic.com/33ze3k8.jpg

C) Space Phantom HIMSELF states, on clear words, that he CAN’T abduct immortals. He DOESN’T speculate it. He doesn’t say “When I tried to mimic Thor’s form I could not absorb it, I believe that this is because he is immortal”, or “When I tried to mimic Thor I couldn’t, I don’t know why, but it’s probably because of his immortality or something”. No. He says, clearly, confidently, “When I tried to mimic Thor’s form – and found to my displeasure that immortals resisted my power.” No speculation there.
http://i18.tinypic.com/44ampn6.jpg

D) The only time he actually tried to steal the body of an immortal, he went straight into Limbo. Go figure.
http://i16.tinypic.com/4hx4d4o.jpg

Our proof simply beats their by a long shot. They have nothing. We have dozen of proof, including a quote from Space Phantoms mouth where he himself admits that he can’t turn into immortals...so he ISN’T turning into immortals.

Oh, and Surfer IS immortal. He can’t die out of natural causes. Power cosmic sustains him to the end of the Universe. He doesn’t age, he doesn’t get sick, he doesn’t need to eat, drink, breathe…he is as immortal as they come. I am not wrong…I am completely right. ALL Heralds are immortals. And Uni-Power clearly is complete immortal.

2. Uru

Our Uru is more strong then normal Uru, like said, it was made by the three best dwarven blacksmiths in the heart of the Sun...our armor’s molecular structure isn’t just taken from some random piece of Uru, it is taken STRAIGHT from Mjolnir, and we can make it stronger with our molecular control…notice that they never bothered to counter that.

3. Hammer

The size and range of our powers are not dependant on our size. They don’t suddenly diminish when we change it. We are able to teleport the hammer the hell away. Or do all the other dozen different things that Blair Wind mentioned.

However, they now haven’t taken the fact that the hammer needs to circle around the entire planet...in light speed…to make the vortex they are talking about, it needs to do it at least million times to cover the entire PLANET. Because Apokolips is a huge-ass planet more then ten times the size of Earth, it has the diameter of roughly 400,000 km…they need to circle this about million times, which makes the distance the hammer has to do to be about 400,000,000,000 km…speed of light is only 299 792 km per second. How much time it would take the hammer to circle an entire PLANET the size of Apokolips in lightspeed, million times?

1334258 seconds = 22237 minutes = 370 hours = fifteen DAYS. Hell, our characters would not even need to pay attention to it.

I don’t know, something kind of tells me that they haven’t thought this “We make the hammer to circle the entire planet we stand on” idea through.

Remember, that is what they said. They aren’t going to figure out where our characters are, so they will envelop the entire battlefield in the vortex because we could be anywhere in the planet. Sucks to them, but the hammer won’t be able to complete the vortex as quickly as they want it…

What this means? OUR MAGIC ISN’T GOING ANYWHERE!

4. The fight itself.

We have Silver Surfer + Quantum Bands + All-Star Superman + Captain Marvel + telepathy, telekinesis, teleportation near-equal to Loki + dozens of different magics cruising inside his body that are further amplified by Uru and Netherium bracers and gloves. That is 6 heralds on one character…

Then there All-Star Superman + Captain Marvel + Durok + telepathy, telekinesis, teleportation near-equal to Loki + dozens of different magics cruising inside his body that are further amplified by Uru and Netherium bracers and gloves…5 Heralds on All-Star Superman…

And All-Star Superman + telepathy, telekinesis, teleportation near-equal to Loki + dozens of different magics cruising inside his body that are further amplified by Uru and Netherium bracers and gloves + Wonder Woman + the other character he can turn into the match…5 heralds on Black Alice too…

We also have Quantum Boards. And whole lot of tactics.

They have Adam Warlock (One herald) Thor (One herald) and Space Phantom is in Limbo for trying to take the form of immortal. Oh, and Thor’s hammer is apparently on 15 day trip around the planet.

16 heralds power VS 2 heralds power. Who do you think will win?

Newjak

Newjak’s Voting Decision:

Prep arguments:
Here is how I see the prep going after reading through everyone’s posts

Blair Wind/Darkcrawler:
Here is how I see your prep going. I don’t think you will get the AS Superman potion done within the time frame. It is kind of a stretch to take a process that took days and squeeze into 20 minutes much less few minutes even with the Keeper. I also believe you only get Loki’s level of TP nothing more. As for the rest of it of it I don’t see any problems.

Digimark/Scoobless:
I do believe that BW and DC discredited your Space Phantom ideas. It isn’t that I don’t believe that immortals limit him or that Silver Surfer is immortal. The thing that hurt you is this even when countering their argument you never gave proof or one instance where Space Phantom went over an Ironman Level character. So there is no reason for me to believe he can take on herald level characters or the Uni-power. If you could have given one instant where he could take a herald level character in power I would have been for it. This pretty much ruins your prep I know but I think you make up for it in your battle.

BATTLE TIME:
This is defiantly a doozie right here. This how I see the battle playing out.

I do believe BW and DC didn’t take into consideration that being so small would limit there ability to effectively deal will things. Atom sized things just don’t effect planet sized objects that may be millions of miles away without having to take sometime especially since I don’t believe you guys have AS Supes powers with the Keeper. So I feel Thor will be able to get his Hammer going. I do not feel that BA can take over the hammer since it would be a regard to the Cap limits she had to fall under to be allowed in. So all your magical abilities are gone as far as I’m concerned. Even if you eventually teleport the Hammer away hard since I think your magical abilities are done for I find it hard to believe all your power ups would come back since they are just power ups all coming from BA. So for the most part I think all your prep time on both sides basically goes down the toilet.

As for the rest of the fight basically both teams turned this into a two on two match. Space Phantom is gone simply because Digi and Scoobs never offered any viable option for him in case their power-ups didn’t wok even saying that if it didn’t work he will turn into Ironman would have helped. So I have no option but to discredit him from the rest of the match. I also believe BA has also become essentially worthless. Even though she received 15% of some Power Cosmic that is still well below a mid-tier if you ask me so she is basically a gnat in this match she won’t be able to keep up. Especially being atom sized.

I do feel that Warlock can at least screw with the boards both via Soul Link and telepathically to keep the Keeper at bay and subdued especially since you gave up 30% of Keeper’s PC. So I feel AS Supes and Thor are the only open characters to engage now. The problem is that Supes is Atom Sized and Thor is basically a galaxy away from him. Thor without his Surfer enhancement probably won’t be able to really find Supes either. Even if they were able to engage no one could convince me a clear cut winner can be assumed.

The Parademons I think really are a nonfactor I don't see anyone under these conditions taking over any parademons.

At this point I would like to say stalemate. We have two characters that are worthless, two that are locked in mortal battle over control of some boards, and two that just won’t be able to engage each other to well but we all know a winner must be declared.

The Part everyone wants the CONCLUSION

Basically I’m gonna go with Digi/Scoob. Thor’s Omni-directional Lightning Attack should be able to reach and hit your guy’s team with their defenses down somewhat. With it basically hitting you with the force of a small planet due to your size and Thor’s pretty good damage output I think it could really mess people up. Even if AS Supes can survive he would still be pretty injured maybe too much to continue. Keeper would survive although he would loose control of his boards if any concentration were broken which could effect. Basically I think this may become a two vs. one and with Keeper having only 70% of his power cosmic I don’t think he can do it. Although I will point out as small as they are there is still a chance the lightning could miss them but as of right now I see it as the only attack that actually has a chance of hitting.

Blair Wind

.....while you can keep the vote I guess, we did grow in size during the first attack....just saying.

Digi/Scoobs: 1

BW/DC: 0

Scoobless

Not completey sure this is finished (though it seems to be) but as DC posted I may as well reply

Post ... um.... #6? confused

- Uni-Thor

Originally posted by DarkCrawler
The fact is, we have without doubt proved that Space Phantom simply can’t turn into immortals.

You proved nothing. period.

Space Phantom believes his limitations are due to immortality ... there is no clear evidence to support this anywhere. Thor had many, much more, reasonable reasons for resisting Space Phantom.

You need me to go get you a scan of Spider-Man saying he can't lift something then lifting on the next page?

Originally posted by DarkCrawler
Our Uru is more strong then normal Uru, like said, it was made by the three best dwarven blacksmiths in the heart of the Sun...our armor’s molecular structure isn’t just taken from some random piece of Uru, it is taken STRAIGHT from Mjolnir, and we can make it stronger with our molecular control…notice that they never bothered to counter that.

I'm fairly sure Uru cannot be replicated scientifically as it has innate magical properties .... has Keeper ever recreated magical items before?

Originally posted by DarkCrawler
The size and range of our powers are not dependant on our size.

Of course they are.

On earth your max range for teleportation was the moon, in the microverse the same relative distance limit would be true ... the equivalent of earth to moon (probably from one atom to one electron) ... it's not like when the Human Torch goes to the Microverse he ignites the entire world when he flames on, relativity is completely relevant here.

Originally posted by DarkCrawler
How much time it would take the hammer to circle an entire PLANET the size of Apokolips in lightspeed, million times?

The hammer is not under the same speed restrictions as the participants.... the fact that it's a completely magical process means you have no way to determine the speed it will reach and Thor has a long history of having Mjolnir accomplish these types of tasks through sheer force of will ... The hammer will travel as fast as is needed to perform it's given mission.

Your guess at a million times is simply more of the same completely unproven speculation that your team is becoming famous for.

Originally posted by DarkCrawler
That is 6 heralds on one character…

5 Heralds on All-Star Superman…

5 heralds on Black Alice too…

27 heralds on top of Warlock and Thor is now equal to around 50 heralds

roll eyes (sarcastic)

Newjak

Originally posted by Blair Wind
.....while you can keep the vote I guess, we did grow in size during the first attack....just saying.

Digi/Scoobs: 1

BW/DC: 0 I know you did I just don't see where you guys would get the time to do so.

Either way it was a close match and throughout the week I thought over every outcome. You guys put up one hell of a match I was undecidied even when I was writing up my reply it was until I had to make a conclussion that I declared a winner.

No matter the outcome good job bothsides wink

Blair Wind

Three points:

We were growing during the attack. I quote myself here as I say: Our massive telekinetic/telepathy attack (Surfer’s best x 1000) has confused the opposing team. Even if only for a millisecond, it still served the purpose, and our team has the surprise attack when they grow from their small size right next to the opposing team. So the hammer would be relatively the same size as it always is as we either teleport it, quantum shield it (like he did from Thunderstrike), or turn to Dargo to take it away from you.

Batdude limited the speed of all objects to lightspeed.

Surfer recreated Beta's hammer.

Now.....are we all done?

edit: Its ok NJ...but we were growing while TP/TK them and having the boards expand erm

Scoobless

Originally posted by Blair Wind
telekinetic/telepathy attack (Surfer’s best x 1000)

Only if he was as weak as Sandu before any upgrade ... Loki can't give powers above his own.

Originally posted by Blair Wind
Batdude limited the speed of all objects to lightspeed.

Surfer recreated Beta's hammer.

Only characters were limited.

Surfer made a new hammer which Odin then gave magic properties to, Keeper cannot create magical materials.

Originally posted by Blair Wind
Now.....are we all done?

Pretty much.

Scoobless

http://www.killermovies.com/forums/430696_1-batdudes-tourney-discussion-thread

Originally posted by batdude123
1. Speed- I realize that I can’t stop faster characters from speedblitzing. It’s kind of a cheap tactic to use, but having a speed advantage is one of the best advantages you can possibly have on another character. However, I WILL make a limit on how fast a character can go, and that limit is the speed of light. No character with the capability to go past it will be allowed to go past this cut off mark. I don’t want to read through the matches and see “SPEEDBLITZ” every third word. Also, FASTER than light reaction times (if it applies to some characters) gets cut down to light speed reaction times. However, Flash is still going to be nixed for this tourney.

Restrictions on characters only.

Originally posted by batdude123
b. Matter manipulation- No direct matter manipulation on the other team. For example, doing something like turning anybody into a piece of metal is banned. Also, matter manipulation during prep on one of your teammates is banned as well. However, matter manipulation on the environment is acceptable.

Guess that means the whole Uru thing was completely against the rules to start with.

smile

Blair Wind

Originally posted by Scoobless
Only characters were limited.

I dont care anymore about the match, as we all agreed it was done, but we are telling you Batdude TOLD us, it was only lightspeed. For EVERYTHING. We asked him in the VERY FIRST MATCH. Sorry bucko smile

ps: Surfer did the hammer.
http://photobucket.com/albums/b305/surfistaprateado/CosmicPowersUnlimited05-07.jpg
http://photobucket.com/albums/b305/surfistaprateado/CosmicPowersUnlimited05-08.jpg
http://photobucket.com/albums/b305/surfistaprateado/CosmicPowersUnlimited05-10.jpg

Not really, we changed the galactic glaze into the Uru...not ourselves

.....whatever. Now I am just waiting for the judges smile

Newjak

Ok guys

Post count
BW: 10

Darkcrawler: 8

Scoobs: 8

Digi: 8

We only have 9 posts a piece right BW went over by one

Therefore basically the match is over guys.

There is nothing else to add adn I'm not even sure half those posts are legal from BW and Scoobs from today.

Oh well guys.

Scoobless

Originally posted by Blair Wind
Not really, we changed the galactic glaze into the Uru...not ourselves

Then why did DC constantly state that it was your skin that was changed and use that a the reason for us not being allowed to change it back?

Blair Wind

We are done dude no expression

Let it go

Newjak

Ok guys

Post count
BW: 10

Darkcrawler: 8

Scoobs: 9

Digi: 8

We only have 9 posts a piece right BW went over by one then

Therefore basically the match is over guys.

There is nothing else to add adn I'm not even sure half those posts are legal from BW and Scoobs from today.

Oh well guys.
Thats it if the tourny is still open only Digi and Darkcralwer can still post
erm

Newjak

Scoobless

Originally posted by Blair Wind
We are done dude no expression

Let it go

DigiMark007

Wait, wha? I thought Saturday at midnight this was over (EST)?!?! There's about 3-4 posts that happened after that.

But, since there was some from both teams, maybe we can just agree to let it go, and I won't have to edit anything...

...

Also, thanks for the prompt-ness Newjak, and for reading through everything. My similar thanks to the other judges, in advance.

smile

Newjak

Originally posted by DigiMark007
Wait, wha? I thought Saturday at midnight this was over (EST)?!?! There's about 3-4 posts that happened after that.

But, since there was some from both teams, maybe we can just agree to let it go, and I won't have to edit anything... Yeah I don't think they really added anything that wasn't already there so they should be fine.

DarkCrawler

Well...there is some confisions in the judge post (we aren't atom sized for anything else then the few opening seconds of the match and the hammer can't go over lightspeed so it can't take out our magic buffs in time), but I respect it, so ok. One vote for Digi/Scoobs then.

Scoobless

Originally posted by DarkCrawler
the hammer can't go over lightspeed

It can ... and the match is still over.

stick out tongue

DarkCrawler

No it can't. Batdude said that. But you are right, it's over. smile

DigiMark007

And {posts 5 more points}. But's it's over.

angel

...

Scoobless

Originally posted by DarkCrawler
No it can't. Batdude said that. But you are right, it's over. smile

It can.

DarkCrawler

Can't!!!!

http://images.parenthood.com/baby-cry.jpg

And I don't think we are counting posts anymore.

DigiMark007

Jesus folks, do I have to lock the thread?

stick out tongue

I'm tempted to get a few words in myself since I'm the only one that has yet to argue after the time limit, but I'm trying to refrain.

So let's just act like civilized adults *coughitcancough* and stop the comments altogether.

smile

Newjak

Originally posted by DigiMark007
Jesus folks, do I have to lock the thread?

stick out tongue

I don't know I'm almost tempted to join in myself stick out tongue

leonidas

don't get all up in a panic. i'm still pondering. but a relatively important point DOES seem unresolved. batdude, CAN the hammer travel FTL??

bw -- could you post the pm bats sent you that you guys keep quoting?

crikey . . .

Blair Wind

mmm, damn...I can try and find it.

Though it was us asking if we could make the surfboards go faster than the speed of light (which has been proven), and he said no. Ill go find it.

DigiMark007

...shouldn't really matter, eh? I don't think it exceeded the speed of light in te Juggernaut battle, but it probably didn't say for sure either.

I can't really see 2x speed of light being much different than 1x, for battle purposes, but we should get it cleared up if a judge wants it.

Blair Wind

Found it. Damn that search for only one user feature is nice. Anyways here it is:

Scoobless

Where was that posted?

leonidas

thanks. now back to pondering . . .

i feel like crap and am very tired. i'll likely make my decision today at some point, after i get my shit together enough to read things a little more thoroughly.

Blair Wind

It was a PM scoobs

DarkCrawler

Batdude can confirm it if needed, I am sure.

Newjak

Originally posted by leonidas
thanks. now back to pondering . . .

i feel like crap and am very tired. i'll likely make my decision today at some point, after i get my shit together enough to read things a little more thoroughly. Remember that talk we had about being the best Judge you could be sad

Scoobless

So you're posting a PM after the match has finished even though the rules clearly state that only the characters are limited to lightspeed?

erm

Redatom65

i like how batdude's threads still exist even after he stops posting erm

DarkCrawler

Originally posted by Scoobless
So you're posting a PM after the match has finished even though the rules clearly state that only the characters are limited to lightspeed?

erm

Actually, it doesn't state that only characters are limited to it. Hence we asked it before our first match. That PM is over a month old.

Scoobless

If it's that old then you should have posted it earlier or got BD to say something because at this point you're effectively retconning the rules to suit yourselves after the match has finished.

It wouldn't exactly be fair if we posted a rule that BD agreed to that hurt your team at this point.

Either we all work with the same rules from the start or the whole tourney becomes pretty stupid.

DarkCrawler

Err...I am pretty sure that we said that the objects are limited to lightspeed in our official posts and said that Batdude told us so...you should have demanded more proof and asked for the PM...you didn't. Not our fault.

DigiMark007

It shouldn't matter folks. To me, if it will work at 2x lightspeed (or something similar) it will work at 1x. And if it won't work at 1x, I doubt it would at 2x either.

So that's fine, and we can have BD confirm whatever. But the tactic is the same.

DarkCrawler

When we are talking about the distances we are talking here...it's not really the same thing.

Scoobless

Originally posted by DarkCrawler
Err...I am pretty sure that we said that the objects are limited to lightspeed in our official posts and said that Batdude told us so...you should have demanded more proof and asked for the PM...you didn't. Not our fault.

Demand proof of an PM that I never knew existed? saying a couple of times "Batdude said the limits were...." means nothing when the rules were posted clearly for everyone to see and did not once mention speed limitations of attacks.... in fact, with characters all moving around at light speed, without the ability to have an attack move faster than that would mean that almost no-one would have ever been hit in the entire tourney .... and as teleportation is instantaneous travel, it is far faster than light and should also be banned.

erm

You had the info that you were arguing with ... the fact that you never actually presented it during the match was was an unintelligent decision.

DigiMark007

Originally posted by DarkCrawler
When we are talking about the distances we are talking here...it's not really the same thing.

I disagree. We were never circling all of Apokalips, just the immediate vicinity so that you couldn't fight us with your magical power-ups. So lightspeed, > lightspeed, etc. is kind of a moot point.

DarkCrawler

Originally posted by Scoobless
Demand proof of an PM that I never knew existed? saying a couple of times "Batdude said the limits were...." means nothing when the rules were posted clearly for everyone to see and did not once mention speed limitations of attacks.... in fact, with characters all moving around at light speed, without the ability to have an attack move faster than that would mean that almost no-one would have ever been hit in the entire tourney .... and as teleportation is instantaneous travel, it is far faster than light and should also be banned.

erm

You had the info that you were arguing with ... the fact that you never actually presented it during the match was was an unintelligent decision.

It's not up to us to question OUR statements and proof, is it?

You had asked us to present the info...we would have done it so.

DigiMark007

I think he's just upset because, for this particular point, we were debating with incomplete information....but had know way of knowing it, whereas you guys did.

But seriously, this is upsetting to me because there were, oh, maybe 150 seperate points to consider in our battle. Let's not let this 1 point drown out the battle itself, because as I've said a few times, > or = lightspeed doesn't really make a big difference.

Scoobless

I don't care about your statements, I care about everyone playing by the same rules. Everyone in the tourney was playing with the rules posted at the start of the discussion thread ... except for you two it seems.

Why would I, at any point, demand proof of rules that were posted for everyone to see whenever they liked?

DarkCrawler

...because the rules were not descriptive enough?

Scoobless

They were fine - no person can move faster than the speed of light - simple and easy to understand.

Doesn't matter now anyway ... I'm not going to bring it up again.

smile

(unless I change my mind)

shifty

jinzin

I will make my vote sometime later tonight... I had a busy day at work and I need to nap before I finish reading and making my decision though I think I'm fairly positive I know who wins this.

leonidas

all right . . .

3 big factors that never really sat all that well with me in this fight were these:

(1) phantom becoming a herald, let alone the uni-power. i suspect digi and scoob knew they were fighting an uphill battle against me on that score before the match even began, as we had had PAST discussion about the choice of phantom. for all your convincing, it really never was shown that phantom has or even could become someone or something of that level. afterall, there is a whole RACE of phantoms. if they could become THAT powerful, well . . . they'd be a LOT bigger threat to the universe, imo, and immortus and the timekeepers in particular . . . besides, there is also the notoriously inconsistent manner in which the uni-power DOES manifest. to automatically say it grants optimum levels . . . erm

too big a stretch imo . . .

so basically i was looking at it with digi's team sans uni-power + herald power, + all the stuff that came along with it.

(2) on bw's side -- i never really bought into the whole potion recreation either. while it is somewhat more believeable to me than the unipower phantom, still, it wasn't convincing enough to me to be a believeable achievement in the allotted time for prep.

so, that being said, i looked at the battle as digi/scoob sans unipower/heralds VS bw/dc sans AS potion.

(3) the last thing that i never really bought was the whole -- "hammer-negates-all-the-magic-on-the-planet-JUST-IN-CASE-they-had-a-magic-user" attack. thor's willingly throwing away the hammer JUST IN CASE they had a magic-wielder just didn't seem to fit very well. you don't throw away the biggest weapon in the arsenal, JUST IN CASE. beyond that, i still don't know just what you would have negated. juggs's shield was negated, but, as dc pointed out, his cyttorak-granted strength remained, so . . . what would have been countered by the hammer? i honestly don't know. maybe some, maybe all, maybe little or none. i couldn't figure it out for myself. and because it wasn't faster than the charatcer's reaction limits in the tourney -- i DID see that mentioned and was waiting for someone to challenge or buzz bats about it -- i think it COULD have been teleported in any event, buying time for bw's team to attack (in the past it has taken MINUTES for the hammer to return -- thor has turned into blake before it came back . . .)

so, in this match i basically saw thor stading in the open, willingly tossing his hammer away on a possible hunch. even allowing for warlock's ability to f-up ss's control of the boards (which i DID buy) thor was still basically a sitting duck. and because i didn't buy phantom-as-herald, that would leave him WITHOUT that cool armor . . .

i was also under the impression that bw/dc DID grow as they attacked. one of them said it at some point, and it stuck with me though they did almost cost themselves dearly by being overly clever with their opening attack/defense.

the q-bands were ENORMOUSLY under-used in this fight -- they STALEMATED GALACTUS'S POWER, for goodness, sake! yet here, they were hardly mentioned. in fact, almost no one made mention of exactly HOW one team would take out the other's individual members. it was all about discrediting the other and proving/disproving this or that power-up.

in the end, despite some wildly creative prep, for me it came down to an un-amped digi/scoob team, v a magic-enhanced bw/dc team. with that being the case, sorry guys, i had to vote bw/dc. hopefuly i justified my pick above . . .

in the end, an entertaining match by all, one that lived up to the hype, and in general well-natured. you 4 are great examples of just WHY kmc rocks all other comicbook forums.

smile

Blair Wind

Digi/Scoobs: 1

BW/DC: 1

Judges left to vote:

Soljer
Jinzin
Srank

smile

Scoobless

Originally posted by leonidas
for all your convincing, it really never was shown that phantom has or even could become someone or something of that level. afterall, there is a whole RACE of phantoms. if they could become THAT powerful, well . . . they'd be a LOT bigger threat to the universe

Ok ... but you have to realise that Space Phantom is the only member of his species that actually has this power ... it'd be like saying that all humans have Dr Strange's/Sentry's powers.

jinzin

My decision:

Well after having read through the battle a couple times over now, I much like Leonidas, have found myself a bit unsettled by a small number of elements in this battle.

First and foremost, neither team really set themselves up to have an extremely compelling argument for how they were going to find the other. While I’m not so sure that the link between the keeper and warlock would imply that he can find him, I’m also not convinced that warlock could come close to finding the T.O.P and successfully get the drop on them. The fact that Thor was basically out in the open at the start of the fight kind of lends itself to the idea that Digi/Scoob’s team will be undoubtedly be more likely to get hit first.
Second, it was HIGHLY suspect that Thor was going to be chucking his hammer based on a CHANCE scenario. Even if he did there’s still problems with that; As Leonidas pointed out and as did others, even though Thor’s hammer did block out Juggernaught’s shield he STILL had his incredible strength and durability, so there’s the question of what exactly it WOULD block for Black Alice? Then there was the problem with the hammer itself. First, I understood that we were dropping everything to light speed.. Perhaps I’m mistaken but that’s how it read to me… Then there’s also the small problem of the fact that the hammer, even IF it COULD speed up to 3xlight it would most likely have to build up momentum to do so… Personally I’ve seen far too many examples of people with reactive abilities and perception far far less impressive than these amped characters capable of reacting to and perceiving the hammer just fine. I have to assume that the principle applies geometrically, and even if it didn’t I don’t see the hammer as THAT big of a problem to overcome.. Another huge problem I had here was the fact that Thor shouldn’t be able to know where the trinity was at anyway so it’s far more likely that the hammer would have to encompass the entire planet. But while the trinity can afford to send someone out to disrupt the hammer, digi/scoob’s team isn’t afforded that luxury.
Which brings us to problem three; the boards… While Scoobs and Digi DID provide proof that Warlock can control the boards.. The scans that were provided didn’t appear to me as though he could control the boards over surfer. erm

Yes surfer was conscious for the seconds scan but he didn’t exactly appear to be trying to take back control of his board over Adam. To me, the fact that the boards are a part of surfer seems to demonstrate that he probably has more sway over their ability to be used. But how would Adam even know where the board were at if they were micro sized? It just doesn’t add up.
Now all that aside, I think the BIGGEST blow in this finals match was when Darkcrawler and Blair brought down the thunder on what seemed to be one of the most important pillars in Digi and Scoob’s strategy. Namely, the argument against the use of the Uni-power. Now I recently discussed this with Leonidas, and time was, I used to be OBSESSIVE with Captain Universe so I’m well familiar with the advantages that an asset like that could give to a team here, which is in a word IMMENSE, unfortunately for some however that means I’m also well aware of the drawbacks. See the thing is, while the Uni-power can lend itself to a host giving them greater power than heralds and the sort, Darkcrawler’s research was ABSOLUTELY correct in the fact that A.) The power is notoriously ambiguous, and B.) The high end showings that the Uni-power has displayed putting Captain Universe into the league of this tournament is completely dwarfed by the low end power displays. So even IF Space Phantom COULD manifest himself into the Uni-power the idea that he would understand how it worked at optimum levels is EXTREMELY hard to swallow. Another thing is the fact that the Uni-power lends itself to a host to increase their abilities ONLY to the level which is needed in order to succeed in whatever agenda the Uni-power has come up with. If this was an intergalactic battle to save the universe from evil, then their would at least be SOME plausibility that Space Phantom COULD produce the power at optimum levels comparative to what was discussed… However in this fight? Not so much.
And yet he powers of Captain Universe here look damn near irrelevant anyways, thanks to the support of proof that Darkcrawler and Blair brought to the table concerning SP’s inability to use his powers with immortals. I find it rather ridiculous that speculation would be brought up as a counter against those scans when their was nothing else to support the opposite. That said, there’s more evidence that SP couldn’t obtain the Unipower than the other way around and what’s worse is the notion that even if he tried, he’d be off and away to limbo.
Finally, T.O.P. was the first team to utilize their environment and attempt to bring parademons into this fight for their side.

In closing:
While I don’t buy that the trinity would make that superman potion in the given 20 minute prep period, I don’t think that digi/scoob’s team would be able to obtain the Uni power either. But the bottom line is that “Digi’s team is hurt a lot more by the loss of the uni-power than bw’s team is by the loss of the potion.
As it reads to me, the trinity will have a numbers advantage (since SP practically became a nonfactor since the start of the fight, and is in all probability, concerning evidence of course, now in limbo. And a gaggle of paradmenons got dragged into this on behalf of bw‘s team), The stealth advantage (since Thor’s left himself open since the start of the fight), And the powers advantage (since SP was the main focal point of their power up, while most of bow’s power up’s stuck). Not only all this but there’s the little notion that if SP got tossed into limbo Thor would NEED that hammer so the block wouldn’t be that affective anyways.
There’s just a bit too many holes in digi and scoob’s argument and not enough justified proof to patch them up…

Blair Wind and Darkcrawler for the win.

Good job to both teams, I agree with Leo in that I would have liked to have seen more strategies for bringing eachother's character's down rather than discrediting power up and what not but I also agree that it’s matches like these that certify why KMC would wtfpwnerize any other comics forum out there.

cheers

DarkCrawler

Digi/Scoobs 1
DarkCrawler/Blair Wind 2

srankmissingnin

Sun Tzu? Hamlet? Space Phantom! eek!

... and yet confused

Let me just start by saying that the prep that both teams laid out where - to put it lightly - a stretch, even for the most active imagination... Hell, most of this thread is pretty out there.

I'm ignoring the whole Parademon thing... some nice creativity but not really viable option.

I can't see that Superman potion being made in the 20 minutes of prep provided. There are extra variables that weren't involved during it's original creation that would need to be considered and I can't see it being created from scratch through matter manipulation. Sure it could be replicated if their was an original copy on hand but to out right create it? That would require a pretty in depth knowledge of chemistry and the exact chemical changes that happened on every level. 20 minutes just isn't enough time.

At first I thought Space Phantom taking control of the Uni-Power was... well... complete bullshit, but admittedly I started coming around. It could be that Space Phantom simple can't posses immortals, or it could be that he simply can't posses Thor (Mjolnir) and he was simply trying to rationalize why... or maybe he just can't posses Asguardians? Is he really qualified to say what the reason is he couldn't posses Thor? That would take extensive research, on his part. But even though I think a pretty compelling case was made in SP favour, I just don't see him taking control of the Uni-Power as an viable option... and even if I factored it into my option, the Uni-Power is all over the damn place and far to ambiguous to judge how it would factor into this fight.

... and was manipulation of the surf boards really a big deal? I think too much time was spent on that fact. Even if Adam couldn't out right wrestle control away, he can certainly exert his will on 'em enough to be a nuisance.

Anyway I don't think either of the times made a very compiling case for why the would win this match, instead they relied on disproving the other teams Prep-grades rather then supporting their own case... but it was certainly entraining. cool

My Decision: The victor of this bout depends on whether or not you can get behind Thor setting up a magic debuff around the entire planet. Sure the other team could teleport his hammer away but first they would need located it and then teleport an object that is, relatively speaking, the size of a planet compared to the atom sized Superman.... and even if they manage a 'port, that hammer will be in a picosecond. I'm giving Thor the benefit of the doubt in assuming that having learned from previous bouts decides to debuff the battle field, which takes BA out of the equation right of the bat. So as of the starting bell SP and BA are pretty much useless. It would take a hell of a long time for some one the size of an atom to attack anyone... especially on a planet sized battle field. And while they may be "undetectable" extending the range of invisibility with the boards for the initial attack will give them away to the naked eye... That one spot in the area that doesn't reflect/refract any light will be pretty obvious to Adam Warlock. IMO we are looking at Adam Warlock vs The Keeper while All-Star Sups and Thor engage in an donnybrook... and that will result in Warlock and Thor winning.

Digi and Scoob get my vote.

Galan007

The final vote lies with Soljer.......... No pressure. messed

DarkCrawler

2/2...Soljer's vote declares the winner...

Scoobless

I am in no way tense at this exact moment .... no expression

leonidas

it really never ceases to amaze me how people can legitimately see things so differently. . .

laughing out loud

hope soljer has some good reasons -- whichever way he goes. smile

jinzin

Originally posted by srankmissingnin

would it?

theoretically atoms that can travel at the speed of light are STILL traveling at light speed right? confused

Scoobless

Originally posted by jinzin
would it?

theoretically atoms that can travel at the speed of light are STILL traveling at light speed right? confused

Everything in the microverse moves like it would in the ... macroverse(?)

Characters fly the same speed relative to their size when there .... they may move 1,000 miles almost instantly when there, but they are still only on one microscopic planet and have barely moved at all in relation to the "normal" world.

It's a little weird.

leonidas

i keep addressing points over pm's so as not to accidentally sway a potential vote!

paranoia is running wild in the KMC!!

laughing out loud

Soljer

Alright, well, I'm going to post this just so people see my name as the last post, and rush to the thread. In the meantime, I'll be typing my actual vote. big grin

leonidas

why you sunuva*bleep-bleep-bleepedy-bleep*

mad

Soljer

Well, it all comes down to this, hm?

I'd like to say congrats to all participants, and let all four competitors that made it this far that I'm, frankly, amazed.

The power meshing, incredibly creative preparation, and tactics that were used here were...

Astonishing.

I'm impressed. With both teams, really.

That said, I'd have to say that I too take issue with the space phantom becoming the uni-power - especially when it seems he cannot take the form of anything immortal. It seems a bit far fetched, to say the least, and it seemed as if the only counter to BW/DC's attack was speculation.

I also took issue with Warlock's control over a greatly enhanced Surfer's board. The scans lended to the fact that Adam could control a board, but not necessarily force the Surfer out of control. Even if the Surfer had to fight for his control, it seems like it would be a miniscule distraction, considering that (in my opinion), Warlock really hadn't been amped NEARLY as much as Digi/Scoob made him out to be. With the lack of the Phantom, and what not.

Also, the magic-negating hammer seems iffy at best. Especially when it could potentially be teleported away - or take fifteen days to circle the planet. erm

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Like Leo, the All-Star potion also seemed 'meh,' at best. It seemed much more legitimate, given the powers of the crew, but still uninspired and potentially incorrect. The potion was incredibly complex, and to assume it could be made in twenty minutes? Even with a master matter manipulator? erm

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Regardless, as Leo and Jinzin pointed out, the loss of All Star powers hurt BW/DC a LOT less than the loss of the Uni-power and hammer for Digi/Scoob.

So, it comes down to a buffed BW/DC team versus Adam Warlock and a hammerless Thor. Things don't look good. erm

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I'd like to repeat myself - congrats to all that took part in this debate. It was very interesting, very impressive, and very humbling (I couldn't compete at this level, for example).

I applaud you four, and all the competitors that took part in the entire competition. It was entertaining, to say the least.

I'd also like to apologize for the lateness of my vote - as I mentioned, the Dorm internet has been down for the past couple days, so I've been absent. My bad. wink

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What it all comes down to - and what I'm sure you've probably already deducted; my vote.

I declare the winner of this Tournament....

Bigbran and Darthgoober.

Wait? What?

miffed

Shit...well, in that case....I guess I'll give my vote to BW and DC.

Congrats, guys. Very well done.

Even if I found your prodding of the judges out of place/potentially unfair. stick out tongue