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Which mini-series was the better of the two?

Crisis.

I thought Civil War was going to be better, but looking back it doesn't match the pure scope of the Crisis.

They were both lackluster.
I'll go with the crisis though,it was more climatic even though I hated Superboy prime and the way Alexander was done in.

Originally posted by Skeets
They were both lackluster.
I'll go with the crisis though,it was more climatic even though I hated Superboy prime and the way Alexander was done in. Perhaps lackluster, but still the best comapny-wide crossovers we've seen in ages.

Originally posted by snoopdogg
Which mini-series was the better of the two?

Annihilation.

I donno, they both had their bad moments

Crisis

-Bart becoming the Flash

-Nightwing NOT dieing when everybody knows he was supposed to

-Amazons with guns WTF?!?

-SuperEMO boy Prime

-Rann/Thanagar war was boring

-Superboy Wall punch retconning

-WAY to many pointless tie-ins

-ect..

Originally posted by Black Adam
Annihilation.

Co-Signed

The best crossover of the year and nobody even gave a crap

Crisis was most definatley the better of the two.

Originally posted by Juntai
Perhaps lackluster, but still the best comapny-wide crossovers we've seen in ages.
Originally posted by Black Adam
Annihilation.
Jose123 is so smart..13

At least DC had the balls to kill off Blue Beetle who was a hell of a lot more popular than Goliath

Originally posted by Grimm22
At least DC had the balls to kill off Blue Beetle who was a hell of a lot more popular than Goliath And Superboy, and Superman of Earth 2 - which was a huge move, imo.

Originally posted by Skeets
Jose123 is so smart..13

Originally posted by Juntai
And Superboy, and Superman of Earth 2 - which was a huge move, imo.
What? the cannon fodder Teen Titans get no love?
Originally posted by Black Adam

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Co-signed. IC was better in almost every way. Yes, there were a few wtf moments, and not in a good way. Compared to the craptacular writing of Civil War, however, it's a minor thing. Yes, Superboy-Prime was way too emo, but he made for a good villain. And Alexander was a great manipulator. More low-key as a villain for most of it, but his plan was impressive in it's scale. His death was well-done. "Your 2nd mistake, was not letting the joker play."

The endings of both sucked IMO.

Well, it's kind of hard to do an ending right. In IC's case, it was because Crisis on infinite earths already did it. Haven't read Civil War's yet.

Crisis was better, but Civil War still kicked ass. I saw one of the more responsible members of the forum posting some crap about comics reverting back to 80's. W.T.F. !!!! Thank god for sophisticated comics.

Crisis...a lot of deaths happen and a new villain introduced.

I still prefer the Secret Wars over Civil War.

Originally posted by WrathfulDwarf
Crisis...a lot of deaths happen and a new villain introduced.

I still prefer the Secret Wars over Civil War.

Secret Wars I, was bar-none one of the best comic series' to date IMO.

Yea, the first Secret Wars was really good.

Originally posted by WrathfulDwarf
Crisis...a lot of deaths happen and a new villain introduced.

I still prefer the Secret Wars over Civil War.

I agree bout the first Secret War. I didn't like all the death's in Crisis though. Seemed senseless to just punch the heads off of D and F listers who nobody would really care about. At least Beetle's death had some sort of impact and resonance

Originally posted by snoopdogg
Yea, the first Secret Wars was really good. IG and secret wars are one of my two favorite marvel cross overs.

Originally posted by marvelprince
I agree bout the first Secret War. I didn't like all the death's in Crisis though. Seemed senseless to just punch the heads off of D and F listers who nobody would really care about. At least Beetle's death had some sort of impact and resonance Superboy, and Earth 2 Superman's didn't? Max Lord, who's been part of more than a decade of comics?

Wonder Woman commiting murder on live tv?

Lots more died than d and f listers.

I liked both Infinite Crisis and Civil War soo much it's hard to tell (Although i agree with you guys, marvel Secret Wars 1 was amazing, by far the best crossover event ever.) However I think I prefer Civil War to infinite Crisis, simply because I thought the plot was slightly better, plus I am used to DC doing everything on a cosmic scale so Infinite crisis, as good as it was, didn't have such a big impact on me as Civil War did. I thought Infinite crisis was great but I really liked the fact that in Civil War both sides were heroes and villains

Civil War was ok but it started going downhill after Issue 3.

Infinite Crisis kept me going till issue 7.

The original Crisis did it for me. Complex, epic, personal (Kara/Barry), etc. Good times.

But between these two.....eh, not sure just yet. I need to let CW sink in before I can say.

Originally posted by grey fox
Civil War was ok but it started going downhill after Issue 3.

Infinite Crisis kept me going till issue 7.
Agree 100%. Infinite Crisis #4 is still one of the top comic books on 2006.

I think the Marvel fans here forgot how much they were digging IC when they were begging me to post all those issues.

Both comics were tripe.

IC With the Superman nexus being stuff and (not to mention the cleaning house thing of the throw aways), and Civil War with the missed characterizations, and jobber auras in full effect.

World War Hulk and Seven Soldiers shit on both, and one wasn't even a crossover.

The best part of IC was the buildup, and the best part of Civil War was the Thunderbolt lineup that spins out of it.

Originally posted by UniOmni
The best part of IC was the buildup, and the best part of Civil War was the Thunderbolt lineup that spins out of it.
The Thunderbolt lineup sucks. I'd much rather still have the Baron Zemo team.

True, but Zemo has his own mini or monthly right now, so he's fine for the moment.

And i meant that the Omac stuff, and the other countdown books like Villains United >>>>>IC itself.

Alexander looked like an idiot, in that gold costume....WTF?!

It's 2006, and we can't get better character designers?

Infinite Crisis was better because it really wasn't just some pointless crossover

The purpose of IC was to FIX the DCU, where the point of Civil Was to break the Marvel Universe and bring it back together with a whole bunch of Elmer's glue and duck tape

CW was ok until the Thor clone thing, then I totally lost interest. I liked IC throughout, although #7 could have been much better and Wally shouldn't have dissapeared. Overall I'd say IC > CW.

Originally posted by UniOmni
Villains United >>>>>IC itself.

I agree, Villains United was great series

Originally posted by Juntai
Superboy, and Earth 2 Superman's didn't? Max Lord, who's been part of more than a decade of comics?

Wonder Woman commiting murder on live tv?

Lots more died than d and f listers.

Imo Earth 2 Superman wasn't much of a big deal. Sure he's been around forever but what have they been doing with him. I expected him to die anyway. Superboy's death did have an impact, but Max Lord didn't even die in IC, he died in the lead up.

ANd I was really into IC cause it promised change but looks like a lot of things have reverted already. The multiverse is back, the amazons are returning. If it wasn't for 52 I'd really have a hard time finding out what's different

Let's put it into Detail.

Everyone was Hooked on Infinite Crisis until the 'Villains take over the city' thing happened , that bored everyone to tears. They should have gone with an ending similar to one I posted. Wherein SBP realises that without Alex (who died in the Towers destruction) he can NEVER go home again, thus freaking out , smashing buildings ect ect. which then leads into the ending of #7.

Everyone was Hyped about Civil War and especially Thor but then just lost it when it turned out to be Clor. Whose fault ? Straczynski and (partly) Joey Q.

JMS because he took Thor for his own at the last minute and will no doubt **** him up , Joey Q because if you have to use a cop out like a clone then you damn well shouldn't involve Thor (or ANY character) at all.

And Heres the thing , IC could have been better with ONE issue change , CW needed at least THREE or FOUR.

Thus IC>>>CW

Originally posted by snoopdogg
Which mini-series was the better of the two?

I've only read Crisis

Since pretty much all Civil war (Including all the charcter tie-ins) is coming to Trade back in a few months, I'll let you know then

Originally posted by OB1-adobe
I've only read Crisis

Since pretty much all Civil war (Including all the charcter tie-ins) is coming to Trade back in a few months, I'll let you know then

so did you miss the scans thread or would you just buy it and read it home first?

Yeah...it's pretty apparent that most people preferred IC even though the poll is close (I guess you can't stop the company biases in any event).

3/4 mini-series were really solid too. Villains United, Day of Vengeance, and OMAC Project were all amazing in their own right. Compare to CW mini's or one shots...Mar-Vell returns...The X-Men, Runaways, and New Avengers run around doing nothing basically.

Originally posted by Grimm22
Co-Signed

The best crossover of the year and nobody even gave a crap
No one cared cause it sucked. That's usually the reason why people don't buy certain comics.

Originally posted by jumpmann
No one cared cause it sucked. That's usually the reason why people don't buy certain comics.

No , no one cared because it was overshadowed by Civil War and it used reasonably obscure characters.

I'm cosigning anyone that said Annihilation. Definitely better than Civil War and the Crisis.

Not a big DC reader but Crisis looked good.I liked the way CW ended as it was the way things should be.Annihilation owned them both.

Pretty much. Marvel Earth is officially ****ed. Annihilation has already killed 2 A-list characters and the whole Nova Corp. Killing Quasar was big, BUT THANOS!? AND BY DRAX?! Now that's ballsy. Although, given Thanos's MO, we have not seen the last of him.....

Killing off the Earth 2 Supes was big. and I thought his final moments were glorious. Umm....who died in Civil War again? Did they kill anyone on the A-list? Or B-list even? I can't think of how they could have screwed this up even more.

So a good story for you is measured by the number or quality of the character killed off?

I think the plot and outline to Civil War was far superior to Infinite Crisis, I personally feel that controversy arises over how the storylines were executed

Originally posted by willRules
So a good story for you is measured by the number or quality of the character killed off?

I think the plot and outline to Civil War was far superior to Infinite Crisis

So killing more than 600 people was not such a good way to launch CW then.

Nah. Killing off character helps at times, but it's not always a good thing. But CW was hyping that people would die. Things like bringing back Mar-vell were extremely contrived. I admit it was decently done, but it was a blatent ploy to get readers back into CW.

It's not the outline or concept of CW I have a problem with, as I said. It's the timing and tying it to current politics. That sours it in my book. I'll also admit to some DC bias. But the ending was depressing and it left a feeling of profound wrongness. Whereas in IC, if everything wasn't completely set to right, at least there was a feeling that things were going back to normal, that it was a clean slate.

Originally posted by WrathfulDwarf
So killing more than 600 people was not such a good way to launch CW then.

You're twisting my words now, that's just mean

I think that deaths are just sometimes an obvious way to substitute good storytelling is all I am saying. I'm not saying that if a character dies the story is automatically good or bad, but it will definitely sell. Civil War didn't feature many deaths of significant character (And ina an early interview the writers stated they didn't want many deaths of prominent characters) and even had a completely unnecessary rebirth of a character, but it nonetheless sold well and was enjoyed by many (Myself included)

However, unsurprisingly, preference is all subjective at the end of the day

Annihilation...


Anyway, I didn't like Cival War from the beginning, middle or the end.
I wouldn't even read all/any ('cept a Deadpool or two) the other stories involved.
Some out of work pornstar vs a war hero...

Crisis was better in almost every way... nope, every way.

Crisis 10/10, anyone who says else, is a racist.

Amazo headrip for the win.

Heres how I see it

Crisis Build up ( Villians United etc etc) +Infinite Crisis 1 through 4 and 6 >>>>>>>>> all of Civil War

Infinte Crisis 5 and 7 = Civil war

Originally posted by Devil Lance
Heres how I see it

Crisis Build up ( Villians United etc etc) +Infinite Crisis 1 through 4 and 6 >>>>>>>>> all of Civil War

Infinte Crisis 5 and 7 = Civil war I still see those two as far better than Cival War.

crisis was better and that's the sad part

12 chicken fijatas




On another note Crisis all the way.....it was responsible for bringing back Jason

Originally posted by Martian_mind
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On another note Crisis all the way.....it was responsible for bringing back Jason OK... my opinion is switched...

His revival was done hella better than Mar-vells.......at least Jason did something productive upon his return.

Originally posted by Martian_mind
His revival was done hella better than Mar-vells.......at least Jason did something productive upon his return. Mar-Vell wasn't revived...

neither was Jason,technically....

Originally posted by Martian_mind
neither was Jason,technically.... Mar-Vell is a better character than Jason...

Not current Jason....and the question is,do you want to see a character as good as mar-vell in the current marvel universe?

Originally posted by Martian_mind
Not current Jason....and the question is,do you want to see a character as good as mar-vell in the current marvel universe? Is that a trick question?

Personally, I think Civil War would have been a little more bearable if they didn't have so many stinking delays.

i actually missed the start of annihalation, but im trying to catch up, but so far, excellent stuff, really well done...

for me, IC walks all over CW, i loved some of the dialogue, i actually dont like phil jimenez as an artist, and that usually takes alot from a comic for me, but i liked IC, alot...

i loved how Diana killing Max Lord drove a wedge between the big three, i loved both Superman's beating the crap out of each other, and that one line from earth 1 supes that just drains all the anger from the earth 2 one...

superboy's death for me was very well done, and with any big event, there has to be loss in some shape or form, because if there's no sacrifice, then nobody ends up learning anything... i'd never even cared for superboy until i read him in titans in the buildup to IC...

villains united was cool, a very good mini, 'great blazing bags of crap' perfectly captured the moment before getting pounded by solomon grundy...

Superboy Prime , while a little bit of a whiner is still a VERY awesome character.

His brawl with the Titans ect was just frigging bad-ass. But the quintessential thing for me was when the flashes had to literally DRAG him kicking and screaming into the speedforce.

And the little shit comes back, with even more power. WITH A SET OF ARMOR MIMICING THE ANTI-MONITOR NO LESS. He was emo and a bit of a *****, but he was badass. There's no denying it. The high mark was Earth 2 Superman dying, and of course, Joker killing Alexander.

Originally posted by TricksterPriest
And the little shit comes back, with even more power. WITH A SET OF ARMOR MIMICING THE ANTI-MONITOR NO LESS. He was emo and a bit of a *****, but he was badass. There's no denying it. The high mark was Earth 2 Superman dying, and of course, Joker killing Alexander.

...and a f*cking awesome piece of cover art.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/6/67/Superboyic6.PNG

Ouuuu. Nice. Now that pic makes him look much more badass.

Originally posted by grey fox
Superboy Prime , while a little bit of a whiner is still a VERY awesome character.

His brawl with the Titans ect was just frigging bad-ass. But the quintessential thing for me was when the flashes had to literally DRAG him kicking and screaming into the speedforce.

yeah, i loved that too... shame wally didn't come back though... at least, not properly...

I like how Jonn bitchslapped SPB the second time around.

Civil War would have been better if Iron Man illed Cap. it would have shaken the whole foundation of Marvel. Everyone would have stopped and would have been like
WOW. And the whole course would just change. Cap was the glue of that rag tag team of his. THe ending of civil war just....wasn't good. And yes i finally read it

I'll get it Tomorrow............What runs around a farm,but never walks?

Originally posted by Redatom65
Civil War would have been better if Iron Man illed Cap. it would have shaken the whole foundation of Marvel. Everyone would have stopped and would have been like
WOW. And the whole course would just change. Cap was the glue of that rag tag team of his. THe ending of civil war just....wasn't good. And yes i finally read it You are right. DC has the balls to kill Kal-L. He's the original version of Supes.

I agree Snoop, and I say that was one of the gutsiest moves ever done on part of DC. Kill the guy who made their company.
That takes big cajones.

Annihilation was better than both.

I'd have to put Annihilation above Civil War as well.
But Crisis still tops it in sheer scope, imo.

I agree. IC is top series. Hell i even think Identity Crisis was better than Civil War. But thats just me.

Originally posted by jrodslam
I agree. IC is top series. Hell i even think Identity Crisis was better than Civil War. But thats just me. Yea Identity Crisis was indeed a great series. I can't believe that's has not been brought up yet.

Agreed

Didn't like the art, but it was a top notch series...

Originally posted by snoopdogg
Yea Identity Crisis was indeed a great series. I can't believe that's has not been brought up yet. I couldn't get into Identity crisis. The end pissed me off.

I perfer IC over Civil War, but ummm..isn't Earth 2 Superman going to be revivied shortly as revealed in JSA #1?

but still, cap being killed would have been ballsy, radical, and nothing short than a perfect ending. Everyone would have stopped and said "what have we done?" Captain America needed to die

Originally posted by Redatom65
but still, cap being killed would have been ballsy, radical, and nothing short than a perfect ending. Everyone would have stopped and said "what have we done?" Captain America needed to die only to return a few months later.

Originally posted by Big Sexy
only to return a few months later.

Or just to reveal weeks later that he had conspired with Tony just to make a point.

then it all be retconned

IC started off as one of the greatest things ever. Then, it ended like shit.

IC is on the same level as HOM. Horrible.

Civil War has been great the entire time. CW gets a 8.5 and IC gets a 5.0

Wow......... LP, this is the first time I'm gonna say this. you're full of shit.

Originally posted by TricksterPriest
Wow......... LP, this is the first time I'm gonna say this. you're full of shit.

Ouch.

I respect LP's opinion, but IC on the same level as HoM? No friggin way.

HOM was total crap. IC and CW were alot better than that imo.

when I red HoM I had a perfectly wonderful evening. And that evening wasn't it

Originally posted by long pig
IC started off as one of the greatest things ever. Then, it ended like shit.

IC is on the same level as HOM. Horrible.

Civil War has been great the entire time. CW gets a 8.5 and IC gets a 5.0 Whatt?

Am I the only one who liked the ending (minus Superman taking down Superboy)?

Well we're all in luck, Annihilation is coming back this summer

*raises hand* I actually liked the ending, AND Superman beating Superboy.

You D.C fanboys all know, in your heart of hearts, that IC sucked ass. Sucked the hair right off an ass.

Convoluted crap that spend way too much time self referencing to realize it was crap. They should have known that it would be crap for the simple reason that it'd be compared to COIE, and yet have NO chance at topping it

HOM sucked worse, but IC was close behind.

Horrible.

*raises-hand*

Mr. pig? What if your a$s hair was already licked off? Like smurfs? And those of us that didn't like the ending

Conidering he said sucked off,the licked off comment is irelevant.Geez man......

Originally posted by TricksterPriest
Wow......... LP, this is the first time I'm gonna say this. you're full of shit.

Have to agree.

Originally posted by long pig
IC started off as one of the greatest things ever. Then, it ended like shit.

IC is on the same level as HOM. Horrible.

Civil War has been great the entire time. CW gets a 8.5 and IC gets a 5.0

I liked Infinite Crisis, but I preferred Civil War. I agree with your rating of Civil War but I'd say Infinite Crisis should be a 7

Civil War failed because Mark Millar was too ignorant to stick true to the characters

I mean Cap was to stupid to realize that people WANTED people who can blow up buildings to be kept under control?

Iron Man was to ignorant to accept that guys like Daredevil and Spider-Man aren't going to be blowing up schools?

Reed was to caught up in his work to realize that he actually stopped a hero registration more than 20 years ago?

And that Reed, Tony and Hank are to biased to comprehend that building an evil cyborg clone of Thor would be a BAD thing?!?

Hell the character that didn't fall into Civil War's pit of CIS was the Thing as he seemed to realize; Hey, heroes don't fight each other and ignore the fact that they are destroying cities and causing civilian deaths in the process just because neither side will even listen to common sense

I'd like to say you're being biased and trying to make your obvious fav look good.....,but you're right. Ben was probably the best portrayed in the whole thing. I loved how he came back and tried to stop the fighting.

Annihilation is right behind IC to me. Like someone said before, the scope of IC puts it over the top in my view but Annihilation gets props for making me care about a bunch of C and D list characters I've only heard about in online bios. I'm actually really looking forward to that Nova ongoing.

House of M doesn't even deserve a mention here.

Originally posted by Grimm22
And that Reed, Tony and Hank are to biased to comprehend that building an evil cyborg clone of Thor would be a BAD thing?!?