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Here's the deal...

It's easy to understand why someone like Batman or Captain America would incorporate leaping and kicking into their fighting styles: beings such as these are bound by gravity. Thus, they have to make the most of momentum and large muscle groups for their most powerful h2h strikes.

But then you have someone like, say, Wonder Woman: someone who can fly. Yet, she often incorporates the same kind of martial art moves as gravity-bound combatants. Why? Where are the martial art moves that would be unique to a gravity-free fighter?

The bigger question: Given a being who is not bound by gravity, what would be a "realistic" fighting style for him/her? What basic principles and moves would such a fighting style entail?

Jet Li's characters aren't bound by gravity.

Because it's a ****ing comic book.

Probably DBZ style , alot of punches and double hammer blows

Actually I found DBZ styles to be quite bound. You often see them exchanging normally like the bound by gravity.

I would say that for being that can fly really trying to be fancy is almost stupid.

Basically all you would to be able to do is fly at each other and throw haymakers and jabs in front of you. Kicking would be useless unless your trying counter simple blows or catch someone of guard. Basically fly at them as hard as you can and use a punch backed up by that momentum.

On the smae note on defense should be even simplier. Basically if someone is trying to get into a martial arts match in reality all you have to is fly over there and double hammer. Or just fly to the sides to avoid punches.

Grappling and throws would also be key to help get people confused or turned.

So yeah aireal flight should basically be all about haymakers, quicks jabsgrappling, and trying to manuever around your oppenent

Originally posted by Newjak
Actually I found DBZ styles to be quite bound. You often see them exchanging normally like the bound by gravity.

I would say that for being that can fly really trying to be fancy is almost stupid.

Basically all you would to be able to do is fly at each other and throw haymakers and jabs in front of you. Kicking would be useless unless your trying counter simple blows or catch someone of guard. Basically fly at them as hard as you can and use a punch backed up by that momentum.

On the smae note on defense should be even simplier. Basically if someone is trying to get into a martial arts match in reality all you have to is fly over there and double hammer. Or just fly to the sides to avoid punches.

Grappling and throws would also be key to help get people confused or turned.

So yeah aireal flight should basically be all about haymakers, quicks jabsgrappling, and trying to manuever around your oppenent

So Matrix Revolutions then ?

Originally posted by grey fox
So Matrix Revolutions then ? Yeah for me that would be the best way to fight in arieal combat.

Just think about if someone was trying to kick me in say the head. I would fly backwards grab their ankle and throw them into the ground.

Originally posted by Newjak

Basically all you would to be able to do is fly at each other and throw haymakers and jabs in front of you. Kicking would be useless unless your trying counter simple blows or catch someone of guard. Basically fly at them as hard as you can and use a punch backed up by that momentum.
Depends on the relative speed of the combatants, look are Goku Vs. Raddich after Goku had finished training. Or JLU Superman Vs. Darkseid speed advantage. speedblitz ftw!!!!

Originally posted by Mindship
Here's the deal...

It's easy to understand why someone like Batman or Captain America would incorporate leaping and kicking into their fighting styles: beings such as these are bound by gravity. Thus, they have to make the most of momentum and large muscle groups for their most powerful h2h strikes.

But then you have someone like, say, Wonder Woman: someone who can fly. Yet, she often incorporates the same kind of martial art moves as gravity-bound combatants. Why? Where are the martial art moves that would be unique to a gravity-free fighter?

The bigger question: Given a being who is not bound by gravity, what would be a "realistic" fighting style for him/her? What basic principles and moves would such a fighting style entail?

Because they look good, mate ! Good point though !

Goku is a martial arts Master.

http://www.asia.msu.edu/Study%20Units/graphic%20for%20study%20units/original%20image/q-pikachu-dt2_upd.jpg

Originally posted by The Libertine
Goku is a martial arts Master.

http://www.asia.msu.edu/Study%20Units/graphic%20for%20study%20units/original%20image/q-pikachu-dt2_upd.jpg

Thats a picture of PIKACHU ?

He shoots lightning out of his arse ?

For a humanoid the only advatage that can really be gained in combat from losing the restriction of gravity is dodging and possibly greater momentum for strikes.

Sure you could fight in any position but why bother?

Originally posted by Doctor S.T.D.
Thats a picture of PIKACHU ?

He shoots lightning out of his arse ?

And your point is?

Originally posted by grey fox
Probably DBZ style , alot of punches and double hammer blows
I would agree most of their combat is in the air, and it happens to be martial art type of fighting.
which is why Goku would kick Superman's arse.

I disagree actual Martial Arts fighting is stupid in areial combat.

Originally posted by Newjak
I disagree actual Martial Arts flying is stupid in areial combat. but Goku pown


http://pennywise.blogia.com/upload/20060405165626-squirtle.jpg

Liu Kang's bicycle kick attack with added punches

Originally posted by The Libertine
but Goku pown


http://pennywise.blogia.com/upload/20060405165626-squirtle.jpg Your image isn't working therefore you loose and yes MA is kind of useless in the air.

Originally posted by Newjak
Your image isn't working therefore you loose and yes MA is kind of useless in the air.

I can see it.

Originally posted by The Libertine
I can see it. I can't therefore it doesn't matter

I think flight combat would be a lot more like jousting. And grappling would be more important but possibly easier to defend against because you could slam them into things.

Originally posted by Swanky-Tuna
I think flight combat would be a lot more like jousting. And grappling would be more important but possibly easier to defend against because you could slam them into things. I agree

Originally posted by Newjak
I can't therefore it doesn't matter

Goku

http://www.bugigangue.com.br/bugigangue/html/galeria/bugifoto/imagens/squirtle.jpg

awesome

pedo

Originally posted by The Libertine
Goku

http://www.bugigangue.com.br/bugigangue/html/galeria/bugifoto/imagens/squirtle.jpg

awesome Hmm I see

Tony Jaa is an animal.

MA isn't useless in the air.... it would just be drastically different.

It would still be extremley useful to know how to break someones arm, for instance, you would just go about it differently. And, where gravity-bound MA's use such techniques as flips,trips, wall-jumps etc. One would think aerial MA would incorporate aerial dives, twists, fake-outs, plummets and rises, etc. You can still dodge, and punches would be different, but it could still be feasible.

Example: (Combatants names are A and B)

-A charges at B. B dodges down, grabs A's leg, and spins/hurls him towards the ground
-A lands expertly on the ground, jumps for added propulsion, spins behind B and rams into his back
-B recovers, flies into a 360 (horizontal axis, essentially a mid-air flip) and ends up above A
-B proppels himself, feet first, downwards into A's Back (a diving kick, if you will), driving A into the ground

B wins.

Obviously much, much more creativity could go into it (i.e. pressure points, kneeing, etc.), and I only spent two minutes writing up that fight scene. But you should get the point.

If anything, it adds more freedom to writing MA.

Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
pedo

pardon?

Originally posted by SpunkySmurph
MA isn't useless in the air.... it would just be drastically different.

It would still be extremley useful to know how to break someones arm, for instance, you would just go about it differently. And, where gravity-bound MA's use such techniques as flips,trips, wall-jumps etc. One would think aerial MA would incorporate aerial dives, twists, fake-outs, plummets and rises, etc. You can still dodge, and punches would be different, but it could still be feasible.

Example: (Combatants names are A and B)

-A charges at B. B dodges down, grabs A's leg, and spins/hurls him towards the ground
-A lands expertly on the ground, jumps for added propulsion, spins behind B and rams into his back
-B recovers, flies into a 360 (horizontal axis, essentially a mid-air flip) and ends up above A
-B proppels himself, feet first, downwards into A's Back (a diving kick, if you will), driving A into the ground

B wins.

Obviously much, much more creativity could go into it (i.e. pressure points, kneeing, etc.), and I only spent two minutes writing up that fight scene. But you should get the point.

If anything, it adds more freedom to writing MA. I agree knowing how to fight is good but honestly in the air half of what you posted didn't make sense.

Instance why is B getting hit in the back from A if A got thrown into the ground?
And why is A standing there waiting for B to come down on him?
You make it sound like it is turn based attacks

And half of what you stated is exactly what I stated they would go for throws and big hits. Honestly normal MA is useless and can't be used especially in the DBZ format. You are not going to be trading punches in a fight in the air. At least not if your smart. If someone tried to even kick me in the face I would fly beneath the kick and throw them into the ground. And fly at them and try and land a haymaker then try any fancy move. It's just more logical.


For instance

A is fighting B. A and B both fly at each other. One is not gonna wait for the other to get mor emomentun behind their punch because that makes it harder to counter.

A and B crash into eachother or maybe at the last second the avoid eachother afraid one is not going to get over him.

A then tries to punch B B flies away from the punch so that it looses its momentum.

At the last second B grabs unto that punch and throws him over his shoulder into the ground.

B then flies down at A and punches him ith a full momentum punch that A can not get awya from A is then KOed.

A thus looses because he decided to throw a normal standing punch.

Honestly normal wrestling is much more siutable to airial combat then MA.

Originally posted by Newjak
Your image isn't working therefore you loose and yes MA is kind of useless in the air. True. Supes is a testament to this. Why Kung Fu when I fly and punch hard enough to shake dimensions?

I love it how probable bullied Geeks replying on a comic book forum are apparent experts in Martial Arts.

Hiyahhhhhhhh

http://www.hellers.ws/ma/images/89-07-camp-parade_500.jpg

KMC Goku practises Tai Chi!

Originally posted by Doctor S.T.D.
I love it how probable bullied Geeks replying on a comic book forum are apparent experts in Martial Arts. You know not all Geeks are those weak little people that get picked on.

I would think, first of all, that a gravity-free fighter would consider his/her opponent from all 3 dimensions, maybe like seeing him/her inside a sphere. This would be especially advantagous against a grounded opponent.

Secondly, if an attack vector could come from any point on that sphere (now assume 2 flying fighters), than it would be more important than ever to be able to strike and defend with whatever part of your body is closest.

Originally posted by Newjak
You know not all Geeks are those weak little people that get picked on.

Keep telling yourself that.

Originally posted by Mindship
I would think, first of all, that a gravity-free fighter would consider his/her opponent from all 3 dimensions, maybe like seeing him/her inside a sphere. This would be especially advantagous against a grounded opponent.

Secondly, if an attack vector could come from any point on that sphere (now assume 2 flying fighters), than it would be more important than ever to be able to strike and defend with whatever part of your body is closest. Not when you can just fly away from the point of attack. That is why defense is so important in grounded combat becasue you are limited to your ability to be mobile while flgiht if someone is coming from one direction it is easier to simply fly away from the punch especially a standing punch without any momentum behind it.

Originally posted by Doctor S.T.D.
Keep telling yourself that. I will keep telling my poor bullied self that

Originally posted by Doctor S.T.D.
Keep telling yourself that.

Its easy for me seeing as how no one has picked on me since I tried to bash another guy's head in.

Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
Its easy for me seeing as how no one has picked on me since I tried to bash another guy's head in.

Care !

IMO people who find the need to reminisce stories of 'head bashing' deserve to be bullied, to a certain extent.

Originally posted by Newjak
I agree knowing how to fight is good but honestly in the air half of what you posted didn't make sense.

Instance why is B getting hit in the back from A if A got thrown into the ground?
And why is A standing there waiting for B to come down on him?
You make it sound like it is turn based attacks

And half of what you stated is exactly what I stated they would go for throws and big hits. Honestly normal MA is useless and can't be used especially in the DBZ format. You are not going to be trading punches in a fight in the air. At least not if your smart. If someone tried to even kick me in the face I would fly beneath the kick and throw them into the ground. And fly at them and try and land a haymaker then try any fancy move. It's just more logical.


For instance

A is fighting B. A and B both fly at each other. One is not gonna wait for the other to get mor emomentun behind their punch because that makes it harder to counter.

A and B crash into eachother or maybe at the last second the avoid eachother afraid one is not going to get over him.

A then tries to punch B B flies away from the punch so that it looses its momentum.

At the last second B grabs unto that punch and throws him over his shoulder into the ground.

B then flies down at A and punches him ith a full momentum punch that A can not get awya from A is then KOed.

A thus looses because he decided to throw a normal standing punch.

Honestly normal wrestling is much more siutable to airial combat then MA.

Well, turn based attacks is much easier to write up for a quick fight scenario. Obviously, in a comic or real fight, it would be much more complicated.

And one COULD attempt to trick the other with a dodge-then attack. Like bull-fighting, only you're just as strong as the bull.

But the way you're talking about it can be applied exactly to land-based combat as well. Someone punching, someone dodging, etc. Jumpinng/running and punching/kicking having more force then just standing there. But, as we see, it hardly ever works as simply as that.

Another fight scenerio:

-A and B charge at eachother. B is the stronger, and thus A dodges, via a mid-air spin, instead of matching direct force.
-B is tricked and doesn't know where A went. A flies up from underneath, and propels her knee into his face, while using her hand to bring his head down.
-While B is momentarily stunned, A graps his hand, and spins in mid-air, thus gaining speed to chuck him into the ground.
-B is sent crashing into the ground, but, moments before impact, regains his bearings and, instead of crashing, lands softly on the ground.
-He flips backwards, kicks off of a wall, and gains speed charging towards A
-He intercepts her dodge this time, and crashes into her stomach. She is dazed, and he has lost his momentum.
-B flies towards A and enters a spin, thus reaching her with a roundhouse kick to the face.
-A begins to lose conciousness. B picks her up and drives her into the ground

B wins again

MA is perfectly applicable for mid-air combat. It just adds another dimension of possible movement, really.

Originally posted by Doctor S.T.D.
I love it how probable bullied Geeks replying on a comic book forum are apparent experts in Martial Arts.

Not an Expert , just simply giving an opinion.

Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
Its easy for me seeing as how no one has picked on me since I tried to bash another guy's head in.

So you're a bit mental?

Originally posted by juggernaut66666
Tony Jaa is an animal.

Jaa may be an animal but Collin Chou is F*CKING INSANE !

Forget Seraph , you haven't seen kickass till you see him take out 15 guys with just a bayonet !

It's in this film
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0111835/#comment

Originally posted by The Libertine
So you're a bit mental?

Nah probably just snapped, happens all the time. Hell, it happened to me the odd time.

Originally posted by Newjak
Not when you can just fly away from the point of attack.
Definitely an option. How would (eg) akido evolve if fought "on the fly?"

Originally posted by grey fox
Jaa may be an animal but Collin Chou is F*CKING INSANE !

Forget Seraph , you haven't seen kickass till you see him take out 15 guys with just a bayonet !

It's in this film
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0111835/#comment In the final scene on the Protector, Jaa beat over 50 guys at once.
Another thing you'll notice about Jaa movies, is that his fight sequences are simply giant cuts, rather than cut and pasted and sped up and slowed down footage. No wires, no graphics, nothing. Pure athleticism.

Originally posted by Juntai
In the final scene on the Protector, Jaa beat over 50 guys at once.
Another thing you'll notice about Jaa movies, is that his fight sequences are simply giant cuts, rather than cut and pasted and sped up and slowed down footage. No wires, no graphics, nothing. Pure athleticism.

His lack of CG is very impressive i'll give you that , any man willing to jump through a ring of Barbed Wire has some SERIOUS cajones.

Originally posted by grey fox
His lack of CG is very impressive i'll give you that , any man willing to jump through a ring of Barbed Wire has some SERIOUS cajones. imo, Jaa is the new thing.
He just needs a budget that's worth half his skill.

Originally posted by The Libertine
So you're a bit mental?

A bit

Also I would like to point out in this you would more likely want to learn more about how dog fights are fought more than actual MA since in flight cmbat the person who manuevers better is often the winner.

Originally posted by Newjak
Also I would like to point out in this you would more likely want to learn more about how dog fights are fought more than actual MA since in flight cmbat the person who manuevers better is often the winner.

True in fact speed also lends itself to the force of each combatant's punches (putting thier whole body into a single high speed thrust)

Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
True in fact speed also lends itself to the force of each combatant's punches (putting thier whole body into a single high speed thrust) Yeah hence why it is better to lend high momentum Haymakers then simple MA moves. The force you generate is alot harder.

Well, it depends on your definition of "MA moves"

Obviously, aerial MA would revolve around moves that have evolved from Haymakers, etc.

Really, it would be completley different then what we know today.

One would think aerial MA would incorporate more travel-movement and would move at a faster speed then land-based MA.