Lucifer - Satan?

Matthew 13:38-39; I Peter 5:8; Revelation 9:11; 12:9-10 states following:

God had created Lucifer a perfect spirit being, but He also gave him free moral agency, that is, the ability to choose to follow good or evil. Lucifer chose to become Satan the Devil, the Adversary, by allowing sin to mold his character. His rebellion against God sealed and hardened his evil nature, and now he opposes all that is good, right and godly.

14:12
How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning! how art thou cut down to the ground, which didst weaken the nations!

14:13
For thou hast said in thine heart, I will ascend into heaven, I will exalt my throne above the stars of God: I will sit also upon the mount of the congregation, in the sides of the north:

14:14
I will ascend above the heights of the clouds; I will be like the most High.

14:15
Yet thou shalt be brought down to hell, to the sides of the pit.

Ezekiel:28
"heart was lifted up because of thy beauty, thou hast corrupted thy wisdom by reason of thy brightness.
therefore will I bring forth a fire from the midst of thee, it shall devour thee, and I will bring thee to ashes upon the earth in the sight of all them that behold thee. All they that know thee among the people shall be astonished at thee: thou shalt be a terror, and never shalt thou be any more."

I got to think. Is this a sign that Lucifer is Satan, or is my source of information false?

It is the commonly held belief by most Biblical religions.

You can't blame him for lack of ambition:

Better to reign in Hell, then serve in Heav'n.

Paradise Lost: Book I. (1667)
John Milton

http://darkwing.uoregon.edu/~rbear/lost/pl1.html

The second quote refers to a babylonian king. This has been PROVEN a mistranslation. I have no clue about the other two.

Originally posted by King Kandy
I have no clue

You should get that put on a tee shirt.

Originally posted by Kaldorei
[b]I got to think. Is this a sign that Lucifer is Satan, or is my source of information false? [/B]

Lucifer is older than the bible. Its interpretation in the bible is a consequence of many changes and much of its original meaning was lost. Other scriptures(like the gnostics) also have a different view of Lucifer.

Some things to consider to understand what Lucifer originally was is ;Lucifer means 'lightbearer' or 'lightbringer' which in greek translates as phosphorous that is th greek name of Venus. So Venus is associated to Lucifer. In the greek mythology 'lightbringer' is also associated Prometeus which was the titan who brought the fire from Olympus to humanity. Prometeus is the bringer of the light.

The words messiah and christos mean 'the anointed' is used to describe someone who brings enlightment to humanity.

Originally posted by Atlantis001
Some things to consider to understand what Lucifer originally was is ;Lucifer means 'lightbearer' or 'lightbringer' which in greek translates as phosphorous that is th greek name of Venus. So Venus is associated to Lucifer. In the greek mythology 'lightbringer' is also associated Prometeus which was the titan who brought the fire from Olympus to humanity. Prometeus is the bringer of the light.

The words messiah and christos mean 'the anointed' is used to describe someone who brings enlightment to humanity.

Originally posted by Phoenix*Rising
Jesus and lucifer seem to be one then. They cannot be brothers since there is only ONE 'bright and morning star."

And that would be the planet Venus.

Yes

Originally posted by Phoenix*Rising
Jesus and lucifer seem to be one then. They cannot be brothers since there is only ONE 'bright and morning star."

That is what it looks like and the morning star is also mentioned in the birth of Jesus.

It is know that Venus the morning star refers to lightbringer, and that it appeared in Jesus birth. This lead me to think that the morning star appearing in Jesus birth was pointing to the birth of the one who will bring the light. As we know christ also points to someone who brings the light, and the word christ is atributted to Jesus.

Anyway my opinion is only that Lucifer has a different meaning. I don´t think it relates to devil or evil I think the original meaning was lost with time.

Originally posted by Kaldorei
[b]Matthew 13:38-39; I Peter 5:8; Revelation 9:11; 12:9-10 states following:

I got to think. Is this a sign that Lucifer is Satan, or is my source of information false? [/B]

well Lucifer was his angelic name if im correct, and seeing as he was no longer legit after he fell, he might have been given another name, or thats the only answer i can give at least.

Lucifer is not a word used in the Bible. The being referred to as Lucifer in some errant English translations is indeed Satan. Time to close the thread.

Originally posted by Tengu
well Lucifer was his angelic name if im correct, and seeing as he was no longer legit after he fell, he might have been given another name, or thats the only answer i can give at least.

Originally posted by Nellinator
Lucifer is not a word used in the Bible. The being referred to as Lucifer in some errant English translations is indeed Satan. Time to close the thread.

There is indirect references which points to a relation between Lucifer and Satan. Satan is identified with a serpent in the Genesis for example, and the serpent is used as a symbol of life in the ancient religions. Venus is also a symbol of Life.

Anyway I think there is a easier way to answer those questions. In the ancient judaic cults there was two interpretations of what today is know as the devil. Satan and Lucifer are what is know as demiurge.

In one interpretation this demiurge is related with the creation of the material world. In other interpretations because the material world form some type of opposition with the divine world, some people started to associate them with evil and good respectively. Since the demiurge represented the material world those people associated evil to him.

There is reference to those interpretations in the Nag Hammadi.

if there is a devil then he has good in him, every being has the capacity for good and evil, and an example of my man's goodness (the devil) is that he lets you exist, my saying is "hell is still existence"

Originally posted by Phoenix*Rising
It is false.

Can you expound that statement? 😕

>_<

Lucifer becoming Satan isn't Canon as it is only filler and does not appear in the original Manga. 😐

lol, are you talking about manga as in a japanese 😱 thats awesome! 😆

Ok, so Beelzebub is...? I just started reading Paradise Lost for class today. Damn Milton and his 20 lines sentences!