Symbiote Bear Vs. Spiderman

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Board Walker
This is a full grown Grizzly bear, fully bonded with the Venom Symbiote.

Versus

Spiderman

The battle takes place in a 20x20 foot cage, the bear is blood lusted, and Spiderman has no items except for his wits and a mallot.

guy222
Originally posted by Board Walker
This is a full grown Grizzly bear, fully bonded with the Venom Symbiote.

Versus

Spiderman

The battle takes place in a 20x20 foot cage, the bear is blood lusted, and Spiderman has no items except for his wits and a mallot.

Spidey can run. Might not save him

LordFear
WTF MAN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!?????

Hercules
The Bears are taking over! I swear give it another ten years they will rule the world!

Symmetric Chaos
Originally posted by Board Walker
This is a full grown Grizzly bear, fully bonded with the Venom Symbiote.

Versus

Spiderman

The battle takes place in a 20x20 foot cage, the bear is blood lusted, and Spiderman has no items except for his wits and a mallot.

I'm not sure (I think the bear has an edge though) but it still loses to Spunkies UniBear.

Jyppe
Uh, the bear wins. The symbiote is smart enough to control the bear and pwner Spider-man. Especially when Spidey has nowhere to go.

Thanos_THOTU
Has the Symbiote had any other hosts?

Jyppe
Well, the clone used cocroaches, dogs, birds, Wolverine (stick out tongue)

SpunkySmurph
Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
but it still loses to Spunkies UniBear.

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Rick/Genis
What have I created?

Metalmanx
Spider-Man wins.

Peter's intelligence/fighting skills >>>>>>>>>>> Bears (even with Venom symbiote).

DarkCrawler
Venom Symbiote is certainly the smartest symbiote around, but it's still not smarter then Spider-Man. And though Bear would be stronger, it would not be faster or more agile, and Spider-Man is easily strong enough to take it down eventually. Spider-Man for the majority.

Metalmanx
Originally posted by DarkCrawler
Venom Symbiote is certainly the smartest symbiote around, but it's still not smarter then Spider-Man. And though Bear would be stronger, it would not be faster or more agile, and Spider-Man is easily strong enough to take it down eventually. Spider-Man for the majority.

Exactly.

Jyppe
Originally posted by DarkCrawler
Venom Symbiote is certainly the smartest symbiote around, but it's still not smarter then Spider-Man. And though Bear would be stronger, it would not be faster or more agile, and Spider-Man is easily strong enough to take it down eventually. Spider-Man for the majority.

When was the last time Spider-man's punches actually hurt Venom? Pre Scorpion. The symbiote has a healing factor rivalling that of Wolverine's, he is able to take punches from many top tiers. Besides, all the Bear's stats would be increased. Included speed. Bears are already freaking fast, imagine a one with Spider-man like speed.

And what's there to prevent the symbiote from switching hosts, or creating tendrills to catch Spider-man? + Spider-man Spidersense is complitely negated.

Bouboumaster
WTF is this thread!?

Oh, and by the way: Pete can lift how much? 10 tons? How much a bear can lift?

grey fox
Originally posted by Bouboumaster
WTF is this thread!?

Oh, and by the way: Pete can lift how much? 10 tons? How much a bear can lift?

15 tons now and A bear can (possibly) list 3/4 of a ton ,maybe 1/2 a ton. The suit enhances him a certain amount though.

Bouboumaster
Yeah, but anyway, Pete is maybe above the bear, even with the suit.

Does the bear know karate?

DarkCrawler
Originally posted by Jyppe
When was the last time Spider-man's punches actually hurt Venom? Pre Scorpion. The symbiote has a healing factor rivalling that of Wolverine's, he is able to take punches from many top tiers. Besides, all the Bear's stats would be increased. Included speed. Bears are already freaking fast, imagine a one with Spider-man like speed.

And what's there to prevent the symbiote from switching hosts, or creating tendrills to catch Spider-man? + Spider-man Spidersense is complitely negated.

I can't switch hosts in a forum battle...

Not to mention that the symbiote would not be able to communicate with the bear, much less guiding it to defeat Spider-Man...and it stats might be increased but it would still fight like a bear. It would defenitely not be fast enough to be able to do anything to Spider-Man. And just because his Spider-Sense is negated, it doesn't mean that he is incapable of dodging the symbiote. He still has his speed and vastly superior agility.

And Spider-Man hurting Venom? About every time they fight...he even makes Venom bleed on some cases. Naturally Venom is more durable and stronger and all but there is no question that Spider-Man can't HURT him.
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Jyppe
You can't? Where did you get a symbiote from? wink

Who says the symbiote can't/isn't allowed to switch hosts?



Why not? The thread startter says that they're fully bonded. The symbiote could easily control the Bear's actions if it needed to. The bear's mind is very simple, driven by instincts and such, I don't see a problem here.



And why the hell not? Even if the bear wouldn't be intelligent, it would defend itself from Spider-man's attacks. Why wouldn't the Bear react at accelerated speeds, why wouldn't it attack faster? Do you think a Bear would hold back? Especially a blood lusted one?

Venom's normally fast enough to tag even a Spider-man with a working spider sense. (See his fight with Reilly)




The symbiote is as fast as he is, Venombear only needs one hit in and Spider-man is done for (Unlike Brock Venom, this Venom wouldn't be punching. He'd slash Spidey to pieces.)



Not current Venom & I'm going to call PIS on that. The symbiote doesn't even bleed red blood. Besides, did it even bother him? Nope.



Uh, what am I supposed to see in here? Venom screaming in pain? All I see is Spider-man getting stunned from Venom's attack.



Ancient 11 tonner Venom. Besides, he was weakened by the amount of webbing he used on the bell cocoon.



Uh, what am I supposed to see here again?



Bit his own tongue? He wasn't looking for a fight with Spider-man anyways.
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Now, how about I show the issues where Spider-man's attacks have done NADA to Venom, how about that?

Originally posted by Priest
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This is exactly why people should read the issues before making hasty decissions. That WOULD BE impressive, but the scan after the last one (Somehow someone FORGOT to scan roll eyes (sarcastic) )shows that Venom isn't harmed at all by those hits and all he wanted from Spider-man was the information about the other symbiote. Besides, Eddie has his cancer at this point which makes him very weak.

DarkCrawler
Originally posted by Jyppe
You can't? Where did you get a symbiote from? wink

Who says the symbiote can't/isn't allowed to switch hosts?



Err...the whole fight is to determine if a symbiote with bear would win over Spider-Man...that would make the whole thing kind of moot. huh

Originally posted by Jyppe
Why not? The thread startter says that they're fully bonded. The symbiote could easily control the Bear's actions if it needed to. The bear's mind is very simple, driven by instincts and such, I don't see a problem here.


Fully bonded doesn't mean that it will just suddenly take over it's mind. It never takes over the minds of it's hosts. And like said, symbiote is pretty smart but it is far from being as smart as Spider-Man.

Originally posted by Jyppe
And why the hell not? Even if the bear wouldn't be intelligent, it would defend itself from Spider-man's attacks. Why wouldn't the Bear react at accelerated speeds, why wouldn't it attack faster? Do you think a Bear would hold back? Especially a blood lusted one?

...yeah...it would still fight like a bear. Stupidly. Spider-Man has over 20 years of experience, do you really think that Bear could tag him? Do you think it has anywhere near the skill to do it?

Originally posted by Jyppe
Venom's normally fast enough to tag even a Spider-man with a working spider sense. (See his fight with Reilly)

So? That's EDDIE BROCK Venom. Human and symbiote mind working in unison against the guy they hate the most. No other Venom comes even close at their performance against him. A freaking bear and a symbiote wouldn't really be comparable to them.

It would not be faster then Spider-Man, not as agile in thousand years,

Originally posted by Jyppe
The symbiote is as fast as he is, Venombear only needs one hit in and Spider-man is done for (Unlike Brock Venom, this Venom wouldn't be punching. He'd slash Spidey to pieces.)

Yeah...you haven't obviously read enough Spider-Man comics if you think that one hit would take him down. Or that someone with not-so-intelligent mind could even tag him.

Not current Venom & I'm going to call PIS on that. The symbiote doesn't even bleed red blood. Besides, did it even bother him? Nope.


Originally posted by Jyppe

Uh, what am I supposed to see in here? Venom screaming in pain? All I see is Spider-man getting stunned from Venom's attack.



Ancient 11 tonner Venom. Besides, he was weakened by the amount of webbing he used on the bell cocoon.



Uh, what am I supposed to see here again?



Bit his own tongue? He wasn't looking for a fight with Spider-man anyways.
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In all those scans he was looking for a fight with Spider-Man, it's Eddie Brock Venom in all those scans and Spider-Man was able to damage him in all those scans. Don't know what you mean.

And why wouldn't he bleed red blood? Forgive me but there is still a human inside there...

Originally posted by Jyppe

Now, how about I show the issues where Spider-man's attacks have done NADA to Venom, how about that?
Go ahead. They have always battled for pages, sometimes even for issues, if you honestly think that Spider-Man hasn't never been able to hurt Venom you haven't been looking at their battles close enough.

Is Venom Spider-Man's better in most stats? Yeah. Does that mean that Spider-Man isn't able to battle him or hurt him? Hell no.

Spider-Man, especially after all his upgrades and such would be faster and WAY more agile then the bear. He does have enough strength to hurt the bear. The bear, even with the symbiote comes NOWHERE close to the skills or experience of Spider-Man. I see no reason why Spider-Man wouldn't be able to win with ease.

Jyppe
Ok, I'll give you that, I kinda though they worked as a one.



Fully bonded means that they are indeed one, and work as a one. What the hell else is it supposed to mean other than that? What are smarts going to do in this fight?

We've seen the original Venom symbiote to bond with sentient creatures so far, but the Clone did use animals as host and those animals did exactly what the symbiote wanted. Nothing else.



So, you're saying that everytime Spider-man punches/attacks the symbiote bear, the bear wont have time to react? BS. Eddie Brock, a weightlifter, was first amped to Spider-man's stats, then his strenght and other stats grew. He has feats to put him around 25 - 50 tons. Imagine a bear, strenght, speed, durability, & sense vise better being is given the same symbiote and is also fully bonded with it.. Sounds like bad news, eh?

Spider-man isn't unhitable, especially when his spider-sense is negated and he's matched by an opponent who is at least fast as he is, he aint going to dodge all the attacks.




Actually, the symbiote takes care of the reflexes & such. As Eddie's mind still works at human speed. This explains why he has been stopping bullets after they've been fired etc.

The thread startter says "fully bonded" - That's what Brock-Venom was..



So, Spider-man has superman esque durability now? Apparently you've been reading too many Spider-man comics roll eyes (sarcastic)

Why wouldn't one slash take him down? Especially when those claws of his can be quite sharp. Seriously, if you meet a bear, he swipes/lunges at you. What are the chances of you dodging his attack?

Intelligence wont pay that much IMO, The Bearnom has the ability take plenty of damage from Spider-man, but Spider-man can't take that much from him.

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Yeah, okay. He was looking for a fight in those scans, but Venom is also a big victim of CIS. He always plays with Spider-man, and doesn't just instantly try to kill him.

I don't see any damage done to him when Spider-man throws him into the tree. Do you? I don't see any damage done to him when Spider-man punches him and sends him flying. Except for some teeth, but that Venom was quite jaw heavy art wise in the comic too.

You do know that the symbiote has evolved. At first it was just a notch above Spider-man, but nowdays is much more.



This is apparently the single case when someone drew blood from Venom by simply punching him, correct me if I'm wrong. Many, a lot stronger, beings have tried, & failed.

Besides, it looks like he's bleeding from his gums.



Ok, let's say he can hurt Venom. But can he deal damage? I don't think so. Venom has a healing factor rivalling that of Wolverine's. Spider-man isn't Koing him either.



Uh, what would hurting him matter in this fight? Spider-man isn't able to deal permanent damage, and is struck by tireness A LOLT SOONER than Venom. This Venom isn't holding back, jobbing or neither is affected by CIS.



Uh, the symbiote has mutated/changed too. It could enhance a mere human to Spider-man's levels easily, now it enhances already faster animal. How the hell do you think Spider-man will be pulling a victory over a bear with fully bonded symbiote (Eddie-esque)? I guess The symbiote doesn't enhance durability, nor add protection or healing factor at all roll eyes (sarcastic)

The Bear is easily fast enough to hit him. Maybe not evertime, but nonetheless, he'll be hit eventually.

Who do you think is faster Wolverine or classic Spider-man? How come people here are saying Wolverine is able to hit current Spider-man with a working spider-sense, but then you're assuming that Spider-man without his spider sense will be dodging every attack from Bearnom?

grey fox
Bearnom

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Jyppe
Btw, Darkcrawler. I'm still looking foward to your Spider-man respect thread, and I wish I could help, but I don't own any spider-man comics in digital format.

No hard feelings about anything, governing this silly debate smile

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