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This is....different...so bear with me.

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We'll use an example:

Marvel owns Spider-Man. They produce his comic books, movies, merchandise, novels, cartoon shows, etc.

All of this "happens". By that I mean, nothing is fake. Confused? Good. Keep reading.

Spider-Man's comics are "canon material" (most, at least). By contrast, the movies and cartoons aren't. But. The movie is still actually happening though, and Marvel confirms that "this is the official Spider-Man movie, and it is indeed Spider-Man ". Of course they'd say that, because it's true.

I have no problem with them declaring canon and non-canon. But here's the thing: All of these different Spidey formats are happening, but Marvel has the right to declare canon and non-canon simply because it owns the rights to Spider-Man.

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Now, I own my life. No one else can make a rightful claim to it. So what's stopping me from declaring segments of my life "canon" and "non-canon"??

I'm not saying that specific parts of my life didn't happen. It all happened, and in a traditional factual sense, it's all real. But I'm talking about ME. I'm talking about my personal lifestyle idiom. What if, say, there's a circumstance I can't control, and it creates a situation in my life that is inherently "un-Digi-like"?? Can I not say, with 100% validity, "This isn't valid as it pertains to my personal canon."? I think I can. It still happened, but shouldn't be taken into consideration when discussing DigiMark the person.

Let's use an example many of you will be familiar with:
A few weeks ago I made an "Idiot's Guide to the Forums" in response to some trolls. It was out of character for me, as it was an overt, and sometimes insulting, response to trolls and socks. Days later, I was sorry I made it. It was also, coincidentally, made the day after my girlfriend had broken up with me for no apparent reason (to me, at least). I was noticably upset. I was out of character (it's hard to make me upset). Thus the thread.

The thread, then, is "non-canon". Did it happen? Sure. But it was an indirect result of forces beyond my control. I was forced out of my personal idiom by outside influences. Non-canon.

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Now, not everything in my life that's bad needs to be non-canon. The tourney final. Complete canon. I was intelligent, respectful, diligent, humorous. And we lost. Nothing I could do, and it was a good match against quality opponents. That's canon material, and I happily identify myself with it, even though I wish it was a different outcome.

So it comes down to me being honest with myself.

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Some of you mgiht be saying "You can't just do that." Well....um...I just did. So there.



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Conclusion:

A handy way to relieve that nagging feeling you have about things not turning out how you'd like. Don't fret. It's just a non-canon segment of your life.

what's funny is that it makes sense!

I love this. there is a certain logic to this idea. nice one digi.

So...

This is just an excuse for those moments when you come on the forum drunk, but don't want to admit it, right? haermm

Originally posted by SpunkySmurph
So...

This is just an excuse for those moments when you come on the forum drunk, but don't want to admit it, right? haermm Exactly what i was thinkin halfway thru readn...

I am so confused. note to self: no reading things like this when sick, nothing makes sense.

Digi, was this your big announcement? Your post makes sense to me which is why I'm calling a help line to sort through my problems.

ah dualism

So essentially by that logic....


High school for me is no longer canon! YES!!! Finally!!

So Digi, that time we made out by the pool table wasn't canon? Well it'll always be canon to me!

Originally posted by Swanky-Tuna
So Digi, that time we made out by the pool table wasn't canon? Well it'll always be canon to me!

Originally posted by Swanky-Tuna
So Digi, that time we made out by the pool table wasn't canon? Well it'll always be canon to me!

haermm

Should be in the philosophy forum.

Would also be the best thread in 5 months there.

You know theoretically we already do this Digi everytime we lie about an event and or completely leave it out. Essentially we are retconing out of existence as something we do not want t obe known. Thus when you lie about a certain event in your life you essentially make it non-cannon.

Thats awsome! (although I get the feeling this will just be used for cop outs later on)

Originally posted by Bardock42
Should be in the philosophy forum.

Would also be the best thread in 5 months there.

At least

this makes sense more than it should

Reminds me of the infamous jplaya can(n)on

Originally posted by DigiMark007
This is....different...so bear with me.

...

We'll use an example:

Marvel owns Spider-Man. They produce his comic books, movies, merchandise, novels, cartoon shows, etc.

All of this "happens". By that I mean, nothing is fake. Confused? Good. Keep reading.

Spider-Man's comics are "canon material" (most, at least). By contrast, the movies and cartoons aren't. But. The movie is still actually happening though, and Marvel confirms that "this is the official Spider-Man movie, and it is indeed Spider-Man ". Of course they'd say that, because it's true.

I have no problem with them declaring canon and non-canon. But here's the thing: All of these different Spidey formats are happening, but Marvel has the right to declare canon and non-canon simply because it owns the rights to Spider-Man.

....

Now, I own my life. No one else can make a rightful claim to it. So what's stopping me from declaring segments of my life "canon" and "non-canon"??

I'm not saying that specific parts of my life didn't happen. It all happened, and in a traditional factual sense, it's all real. But I'm talking about ME. I'm talking about my personal lifestyle idiom. What if, say, there's a circumstance I can't control, and it creates a situation in my life that is inherently "un-Digi-like"?? Can I not say, with 100% validity, "This isn't valid as it pertains to my personal canon."? I think I can. It still happened, but shouldn't be taken into consideration when discussing DigiMark the person.

Let's use an example many of you will be familiar with:
A few weeks ago I made an "Idiot's Guide to the Forums" in response to some trolls. It was out of character for me, as it was an overt, and sometimes insulting, response to trolls and socks. Days later, I was sorry I made it. It was also, coincidentally, made the day after my girlfriend had broken up with me for no apparent reason (to me, at least). I was noticably upset. I was out of character (it's hard to make me upset). Thus the thread.

The thread, then, is "non-canon". Did it happen? Sure. But it was an indirect result of forces beyond my control. I was forced out of my personal idiom by outside influences. Non-canon.

...

Now, not everything in my life that's bad needs to be non-canon. The tourney final. Complete canon. I was intelligent, respectful, diligent, humorous. And we lost. Nothing I could do, and it was a good match against quality opponents. That's canon material, and I happily identify myself with it, even though I wish it was a different outcome.

So it comes down to me being honest with myself.

...

Some of you mgiht be saying "You can't just do that." Well....um...I just did. So there.



....

Conclusion:

A handy way to relieve that nagging feeling you have about things not turning out how you'd like. Don't fret. It's just a non-canon segment of your life.



Bah. PIS!

Originally posted by DigiMark007
A handy way to relieve that nagging feeling you have about things not turning out how you'd like. Don't fret. It's just a non-canon segment of your life.

Um ... no.



Everything that happens in your life is an experience that adds to the ... essence ... of your self, the only way for them to be left out as "non-canon" would be to have said events completely erased from existence through some kind of time travel or mass memory wipe of everyone involved in those moments.

If I go out and kill a guy with my car today it's still canon ... even if I've never done it before.

If you remember it then it's canon. If other people remember it, it's canon.

Nice attempt to avoid responsibility for your life though ... Spider-Man would be ashamed of you.

For a second when I read the title, I thought you meant you had an actual Cannon!

Now though after reading it, I have realised that most of my life so far has been "Non Canon"...

Originally posted by Scoobless
Um ... no.



Everything that happens in your life is an experience that adds to the ... essence ... of your self, the only way for them to be left out as "non-canon" would be to have said events completely erased from existence through some kind of time travel or mass memory wipe of everyone involved in those moments.

If I go out and kill a guy with my car today it's still canon ... even if I've never done it before.

If you remember it then it's canon. If other people remember it, it's canon.

Nice attempt to avoid responsibility for your life though ... Spider-Man would be ashamed of you.





What he said

Scoob does have a good point, his example kinda reminds me of the Marvel :The End arc, whether its cannon or not. We know the event happned in the 616 Universe, but its still debateable if its cannon or not becuase no body in the MU remebers the inncodent.
Good thread Digi, it gave me a brain warm up before class.

Haha...debate. How fun.

No, it's not just an excuse to get out of stuff. I used a couple examples to make that point.

But if you're honest with yourself, it makes perfect sense, and doesn't negate responsibility. If you're using it as such, it's merely a scapegoat for personal flaws within yourself....and makes the distinction of canon or non-canon completely arbitrary and useless.

Let's say there's a huge misunderstanding that leads to either an undesired situation or argument. The fault lies nowhere, it was simply a misunderstanding. Thus, non-canon, quite clearly in fact. Or if you date a girl and realize it's not anything like a relationship you'd want, but it takes you 3 months to realize this.

It still happened. But I'm differentiating between a factual history, and a coneptual history of You. It's still part of the factual history (like the Spider-Man movie, for instance), but removed from the idea that it pertains to your intrinsic, personal self in ways that are justifiable and valid.

P.S. No, this wasn't the announcement.

"CANON OF DIGI"
pray

the conceptualized "self" is much more than memory of experience, or, in a way, much less. Memory at best is prone to error, and self concept seems to be especially vulnerable to error. The quickest way to show this is to consider driving. Something like 75-80% of the people think they are an above average driver. By definition, only 50% of the people can be above average.

Our brains require, above anything, consistency. Thus, once we have a concept of ourself, we do whatever possible to maintain it no matter what actions we take. That may sound confusing, but think of it this way. If you consider yourself a generous person, you will explain the fact that you held the door open for someone as coming from your kind personality whereas you will explain the fact that you neglected to give change to a bum with things like "he should get a job" or "i didn't have any change on me", the first instance being an internal cause, the second being external. Its not to say that in either case your interpretation is wrong (you might indeed be kind or not have change) it is just that the internal or externalization of cause is something that happens automatically and can be shown to produce serious errors in judgment.

So generally, your brain is already "canonizing" the events of your life. Thats a really weird analogy...

Originally posted by WrathfulDwarf
"CANON OF DIGI"
pray

lol



Originally posted by inamilist
the conceptualized "self" is much more than memory of experience, or, in a way, much less. Memory at best is prone to error, and self concept seems to be especially vulnerable to error. The quickest way to show this is to consider driving. Something like 75-80% of the people think they are an above average driver. By definition, only 50% of the people can be above average.

Our brains require, above anything, consistency. Thus, once we have a concept of ourself, we do whatever possible to maintain it no matter what actions we take. That may sound confusing, but think of it this way. If you consider yourself a generous person, you will explain the fact that you held the door open for someone as coming from your kind personality whereas you will explain the fact that you neglected to give change to a bum with things like "he should get a job" or "i didn't have any change on me", the first instance being an internal cause, the second being external. Its not to say that in either case your interpretation is wrong (you might indeed be kind or not have change) it is just that the internal or externalization of cause is something that happens automatically and can be shown to produce serious errors in judgment.

So generally, your brain is already "canonizing" the events of your life. Thats a really weird analogy...

Interesting stuff.

But this is all largely irrelevant. There will always be someone on internet forums to say "Well, this is why your idea is a logical fallacy...." or use logic and statistics to try to defeat you.

To the Nay-Sayers, I say "Nay!". Saying nay to nay (probably a logical fallacy in and of itself).

I have done it. So

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There's also another topic to consider here:

"The Retcon"

Let's say you switch religion, and suddenly many of the choices you made as your former religion no longer coincide with your worldview. It may have formerly "canon" material. Retcon it out and say, "Ha. I didn't know enough. So we'll chalk it up to ignorance and stuff starting now counts."

It's not disregarding responsibility for your former actions. It's just that discussions of the "you" back then has no pertinence to the new "you"....like Pre-Crisis feats, for instance.

If you're not honest with yourself, this just becomes a scapegoat for doing wrong. But it shouldn't be.

...

Once again, I have astounded myself with my creativity. And humility, if I may be so bold.

Originally posted by DigiMark007
This is....different...so bear with me.

...

We'll use an example:

Marvel owns Spider-Man. They produce his comic books, movies, merchandise, novels, cartoon shows, etc.

All of this "happens". By that I mean, nothing is fake. Confused? Good. Keep reading.

Spider-Man's comics are "canon material" (most, at least). By contrast, the movies and cartoons aren't. But. The movie is still actually happening though, and Marvel confirms that "this is the official Spider-Man movie, and it is indeed Spider-Man ". Of course they'd say that, because it's true.

I have no problem with them declaring canon and non-canon. But here's the thing: All of these different Spidey formats are happening, but Marvel has the right to declare canon and non-canon simply because it owns the rights to Spider-Man.

....

Now, I own my life. No one else can make a rightful claim to it. So what's stopping me from declaring segments of my life "canon" and "non-canon"??

I'm not saying that specific parts of my life didn't happen. It all happened, and in a traditional factual sense, it's all real. But I'm talking about ME. I'm talking about my personal lifestyle idiom. What if, say, there's a circumstance I can't control, and it creates a situation in my life that is inherently "un-Digi-like"?? Can I not say, with 100% validity, "This isn't valid as it pertains to my personal canon."? I think I can. It still happened, but shouldn't be taken into consideration when discussing DigiMark the person.

Let's use an example many of you will be familiar with:
A few weeks ago I made an "Idiot's Guide to the Forums" in response to some trolls. It was out of character for me, as it was an overt, and sometimes insulting, response to trolls and socks. Days later, I was sorry I made it. It was also, coincidentally, made the day after my girlfriend had broken up with me for no apparent reason (to me, at least). I was noticably upset. I was out of character (it's hard to make me upset). Thus the thread.

The thread, then, is "non-canon". Did it happen? Sure. But it was an indirect result of forces beyond my control. I was forced out of my personal idiom by outside influences. Non-canon.

...

Now, not everything in my life that's bad needs to be non-canon. The tourney final. Complete canon. I was intelligent, respectful, diligent, humorous. And we lost. Nothing I could do, and it was a good match against quality opponents. That's canon material, and I happily identify myself with it, even though I wish it was a different outcome.

So it comes down to me being honest with myself.

...

Some of you mgiht be saying "You can't just do that." Well....um...I just did. So there.



....

Conclusion:

A handy way to relieve that nagging feeling you have about things not turning out how you'd like. Don't fret. It's just a non-canon segment of your life.


Your last three sentences were delightfully clear. Everything leading up to them made my head hurt.

Originally posted by DigiMark007
But this is all largely irrelevant. There will always be someone on internet forums to say "Well, this is why your idea is a logical fallacy...." or use logic and statistics to try to defeat you.

To the Nay-Sayers, I say "Nay!". Saying nay to nay (probably a logical fallacy in and of itself).

I have done it. So

...

There's also another topic to consider here:

"The Retcon"

Let's say you switch religion, and suddenly many of the choices you made as your former religion no longer coincide with your worldview. It may have formerly "canon" material. Retcon it out and say, "Ha. I didn't know enough. So we'll chalk it up to ignorance and stuff starting now counts."

It's not disregarding responsibility for your former actions. It's just that discussions of the "you" back then has no pertinence to the new "you"....like Pre-Crisis feats, for instance.

If you're not honest with yourself, this just becomes a scapegoat for doing wrong. But it shouldn't be.

...

Once again, I have astounded myself with my creativity. And humility, if I may be so bold.









hahaha

you generally just described cognitive dissonance theory

good stuff d00d

Originally posted by inamilist
hahaha

you generally just described cognitive dissonance theory

good stuff d00d

Sweet. I am cognitively dissonant.

I'll cognitively dissofy you!!!

Originally posted by inamilist

you generally just described cognitive dissonance theory


Originally posted by SpunkySmurph
So...

This is just an excuse for those moments when you come on the forum drunk, but don't want to admit it, right? haermm

Ah,so my tourney match was non-canon,i can live with that.

Originally posted by SpunkySmurph


What a scholarly bunch of fellows we must be

Umm I know your a mod Digi so your word is law and I know most are frightened of asking this question, but is this really comic related, isn't this more appropriate in another forum? I mean if everyone who read this thread just replaced the word retcon or cannon with forgetting or excuses or something to that effect, this wouldn't even be a comic book thread

No offence, it's an interesting discussion

Originally posted by willRules
Umm I know your a mod Digi so your word is law and I know most are frightened of asking this question, but is this really comic related, isn't this more appropriate in another forum? I mean if everyone who read this thread just replaced the word retcon or cannon with forgetting or excuses or something to that effect, this wouldn't even be a comic book thread

No offence, it's an interesting discussion
Nice knowing u Willbanned
*winks at Digi*

My history with closing threads involves me allowing many threads that are interesting discussions, even if they aren't quite comics. The same goes for the vs. forum, where I've allowed non-comic people on occasion if there's real discussion or it's an earnest attempt at a fair battle.

So I'd like to think I'm being honest with myself when I say that if someone else made this thread, I would allow it.

Originally posted by DigiMark007
My history with closing threads involves me allowing many threads that are interesting discussions, even if they aren't quite comics. The same goes for the vs. forum, where I've allowed non-comic people on occasion if there's real discussion or it's an earnest attempt at a fair battle.

So I'd like to think I'm being honest with myself when I say that if someone else made this thread, I would allow it.



Can I get thread closing abilities without all that other mod stuff?

Originally posted by Scoobless
Can I get thread closing abilities without all that other mod stuff?



You mean like... responsiblity... and stuff?

So what's real life PIS?

Me in Batdudes Tourney... That was definatly non-canon.

digi, go apologize to ryan north, you dirty plagarist.

next thing you know, you'll be buying diamonds and chocolate for a girl named samantha you haven't met yet.

Originally posted by Scoobless
Can I get thread closing abilities without all that other mod stuff?



I've tried that before. Maybe it's just cause I'm... well... you know, but it didn't work out how I planned.

Originally posted by DigiMark007
My history with closing threads involves me allowing many threads that are interesting discussions, even if they aren't quite comics. The same goes for the vs. forum, where I've allowed non-comic people on occasion if there's real discussion or it's an earnest attempt at a fair battle.

So I'd like to think I'm being honest with myself when I say that if someone else made this thread, I would allow it.



Fair enough

Originally posted by Disappear
digi, go apologize to ryan north, you dirty plagarist.

next thing you know, you'll be buying diamonds and chocolate for a girl named samantha you haven't met yet.



I never said the idea was original. Just good.

Anyway, that dude's a genius. And I've bought a bunch of his sh*t, and he whores out his comic to others all the time anyway. So I feel at least mostly justified.

i used solipsism to justify not doing an assignment in my psych class, once. it was basically an argument that i shouldn't have to because i'm just imagining my teacher giving it to me, anyway. and she couldn't prove that she actually existed, but i still didn't get credit.

ahh, the eternal usefulness of qwantz.

Originally posted by Disappear
i used solipsism to justify not doing an assignment in my psych class, once. it was basically an argument that i shouldn't have to because i'm just imagining my teacher giving it to me, anyway. and she couldn't prove that she actually existed, but i still didn't get credit.

ahh, the eternal usefulness of qwantz.

lol

backwards philosophy wont find much of a hold in a science class

Originally posted by Disappear
ahh, the eternal usefulness of qwantz.

Indeed.

And I wasn't trying to plagiarize here. It's just genuinely a great idea if implemented properly.

duh.