Debating in the Comic Versus

Vinny Valentine

Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
Comic Versus: people get pissed over fictional characters.

Religion: people get pissed over whether characters are fictional or not even when such a topic is not being addressed.

I don't care about the topics.

Its the fact people make redundant threads that last usually like 15 posts.

"lolz dudz whu winas? Batman or that guy from that show in that comic book no one knos about"

Its so stupid, hence why I stay away from it.

All it is, is a forum to Spam Threads.

Alpha Centauri

Originally posted by Vinny Valentine
All it is, is a forum to Spam Threads.

And the OTF isn't?

I swear you, Ken and someone else literally spent a night posting random threads to each other.

-AC

Symmetric Chaos

Originally posted by Vinny Valentine
I don't care about the topics.

Its the fact people make redundant threads that last usually like 15 posts.

"lolz dudz whu winas? Batman or that guy from that show in that comic book no one knos about"

Its so stupid, hence why I stay away from it.

Good for you.

Originally posted by Vinny Valentine
All it is, is a forum to Spam Threads.

Thats what the OTF is mostly used for.

Skeets

Meh ,I was a regular there and still go from time to time.
There's a few good people in there mixed in with a bunch of idiots.

Vinny Valentine

Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
And the OTF isn't?

I swear you, Ken and someone else literally spent a night posting random threads to each other.

-AC

I've also made alot of threads, that have taken over an hour to make, or sometimes even longer. So has many, many others in the OTF.

By the way, we did that like two nights ago when no one was on but us.

InnerRise

Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
Comic Versus: people get pissed over fictional characters.
Only different with the Off Topic Forum is that people get pissed over real people. Which isn't much of an improvement.

anata wa wakarimasu ka.....

Alpha Centauri

Originally posted by Vinny Valentine
I've also made alot of threads, that have taken over an hour to make, or sometimes even longer. So has many, many others in the OTF.

You assume different of the Comic Book Vs Forum, why?

I happen to know you're factually incorrect. The decent members there actually took time to craft threads. There are far more forums to complain about than the CB Vs.

-AC

Lana

Well, proportionally the CB Vs forum spawns more trouble than any other forum on KMC.

Alpha Centauri

Originally posted by Lana
Well, proportionally the CB Vs forum spawns more trouble than any other forum on KMC.

We're not discussing what spawns more trouble, are we? He appears to be saying it's pointless or without any redeemable quality.

He's incorrect. He's saying the OTF is better because HE thinks about threads he makes, so do people in there.

-AC

Vinny Valentine

Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
You assume different of the Comic Book Vs Forum, why?

I happen to know you're factually incorrect. The decent members there actually took time to craft threads. There are far more forums to complain about than the CB Vs.

-AC

There are decent members in every forum, this is true. But it seems that the majority, and by majority I mean 80-90% are just threads that hit very low posts, because the make no sense what so ever. And Of course, people do this in the OTF, but its the the majority of the OTF.

~Pielover~

Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
You assume different of the Comic Book Vs Forum, why?

I happen to know you're factually incorrect. The decent members there actually took time to craft threads. There are far more forums to complain about than the CB Vs.

-AC 93% of the threads there consist of "Silver Surfer vs. Robin: Who wins?" as the entire original post, in which the thread creator never posts in the thread ever again.

Alpha Centauri

Originally posted by Vinny Valentine
There are decent members in every forum, this is true. But it seems that the majority, and by majority I mean 80-90% are just threads that hit very low posts, because the make no sense what so ever. And Of course, people do this in the OTF, but its the the majority of the OTF.

That's because it admittedly isn't as tightly organised as it once was when people like myself, VVD, Never and Mr. Sandman frequented it. Now it's anything goes, but a lot of people there know their shit.

If anything, have a go at the Video Games Vs Forum.

Originally posted by ~Pielover~
93% of the threads there consist of "Silver Surfer vs. Robin: Who wins?" as the entire original post, in which the thread creator never posts in the thread ever again.

This doesn't negate my point.

-AC

Black Dalek

Originally posted by Vinny Valentine
At least the put effort into it.

What effort? All they do is copy and paste.

Lana

Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
We're not discussing what spawns more trouble, are we? He appears to be saying it's pointless or without any redeemable quality.

He's incorrect. He's saying the OTF is better because HE thinks about threads he makes, so do people in there.

-AC

It was more a counter to you saying there are far more forums to complain about than CB Vs.

Vinny Valentine

Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
We're not discussing what spawns more trouble, are we? He appears to be saying it's pointless or without any redeemable quality.

He's incorrect. He's saying the OTF is better because HE thinks about threads he makes, so do people in there.

-AC

No, you said the OTF was bad, and I said it wasn't AS bad.

I just think, the CBVs is a really bad forum. Just because of what people do there. How they open threads, and alot on how they post.

Its all opinion, and I was stating mine.

Alpha Centauri

Originally posted by Lana
It was more a counter to you saying there are far more forums to complain about than CB Vs.

Well, there are. If it's from a non-moderator, non-having to deal with it stance.

I think the roleplaying forums are quite pathetic, so I don't go there, but it doesn't mean people don't put effort in and therefore, give the forum a point to exist.

So it wasn't actually a counter.

Originally posted by Vinny Valentine
I just think, the CBVs is a really bad forum. Just because of what people do there. How they open threads, and alot on how they post.

Its all opinion, and I was stating mine.

Your opinion is clearly biased, because if those were the criteria for how you deem a forum to be bad, then the OTF actually has more than enough to contend on all fronts.

-AC

Vinny Valentine

Originally posted by Alpha Centauri

Your opinion is clearly biased, because if those were the criteria for how you deem a forum to be bad, then the OTF actually has more than enough to contend on all fronts.

-AC

Look at the Comic Book Forum Vrs. Its constant Bickering (Okay, that happens here too). If you look down the threads, almost none are past 30 posts at all. And also, as KoK stated, Most people make a thread, just for the hell of it and then never go back in it.

And that I'm pretty sure, makes a bad forum.

Alpha Centauri

Originally posted by Vinny Valentine
Yet, the roleplaying forums are a big hit, and most threads there actually are a good success.

....Unlike the CBvs Forum.

Yet, judging by your criteria, when applied to the roleplaying forums, it's the same situation.

You think CB Vs Forum is shit because of how people post and why, correct? Precisely the reason I dislike the roleplaying forums. Swings and roundabouts.

-AC

Lana

Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
Well, there are. If it's from a non-moderator, non-having to deal with it stance.

I think the roleplaying forums are quite pathetic, so I don't go there, but it doesn't mean people don't put effort in and therefore, give the forum a point to exist.

So it wasn't actually a counter.

Your opinion is clearly biased, because if those were the criteria for how you deem a forum to be bad, then the OTF actually has more than enough to contend on all fronts.

-AC

Not only the mods have to deal with the fallout from people acting like morons, you should know this.

And I'm also not a fan of certain aspects of the roleplaying forums, and in particular think the Unhosted section should be bombed off the face of the earth, but on the other hand? It's purpose is similar - to keep the shit that other people don't want to deal with out of the way and in one section.

Vinny Valentine

Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
Yet, judging by your criteria, when applied to the roleplaying forums, it's the same situation.

You think CB Vs Forum is shit because of how people post and why, correct? Precisely the reason I dislike the roleplaying forums. Swings and roundabouts.

-AC

...Yet, its not people making a thread and abandoning it. Also, roleplaying takes a fair amount of though.. Actually it can take ALOT if you get a good one going.

EDIT: Talking about Hosted, By the way.

Alpha Centauri

Originally posted by Vinny Valentine
Look at the Comic Book Forum Vrs. Its constant Bickering (Okay, that happens here too).

So then why raise the point?

Originally posted by Vinny Valentine
If you look down the threads, almost none are past 30 posts at all. And also, as KoK stated, Most people make a thread, just for the hell of it and then never go back in it.

I've had more experience in those forums than you, I need no research on it, nor am I defending the fact that it can be shit, and usually is. I'm putting across the point that your opinion is biased toward the OTF just because you keep up a wish of moderating the place.

The same happens here, with regards to threads. It just so happens that this forum is more active, so the less active threads get pushed away. That forum is more on topic than...well, the OFF TOPIC forum, so it will obviously be slower considering not anybody can post any random bs.

Originally posted by Vinny Valentine
And that I'm pretty sure, makes a bad forum.

The same applies to the OTF.

-AC

DarkC

I dunno which is worse, Comics VS or Conspiracy. Probably conspiracy.

Alpha Centauri

Originally posted by Lana
Not only the mods have to deal with the fallout from people acting like morons, you should know this.

I go in there, I see names that rarely venture out of that place.

I come in here, I see idiots from all over KMC.

Originally posted by Lana
And I'm also not a fan of certain aspects of the roleplaying forums, and in particular think the Unhosted section should be bombed off the face of the earth, but on the other hand? It's purpose is similar - to keep the shit that other people don't want to deal with out of the way and in one section.

So then what's your point?

Originally posted by Vinny Valentine
...Yet, its not people making a thread and abandoning it. Also, roleplaying takes a fair amount of though.. Actually it can take ALOT if you get a good one going.

EDIT: Talking about Hosted, By the way.

Roleplaying takes thought by those who wish to put thought in. You're not thoughtful by default BECAUSE you roleplay.

You've never been in the CB Vs Forum like I have, because once a good thread got going, it really did get going.

-AC

Lana

Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
I go in there, I see names that rarely venture out of that place.

I come in here, I see idiots from all over KMC.

Errr, what kind of point is that meant to be?

Alpha Centauri

Originally posted by Lana
Errr, what kind of point is that meant to be?

The one that sort of puts your one away regarding people from a shit forum filtering into others. Considering how you implied we all have to deal with shit members, which is true.

You don't have to deal with shit members of the CB Vs Forum half as much as the ones here, because you frequent this forum a lot more, and members from here, as it's less of a specialist forum, frequent and bleed into other parts.

For the most part, people just sign up to go in the comics area and never come out.

-AC

Vinny Valentine

Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
So then why raise the point?

I've had more experience in those forums than you, I need no research on it, nor am I defending the fact that it can be shit, and usually is. I'm putting across the point that your opinion is biased toward the OTF just because you keep up a wish of moderating the place.

The same happens here, with regards to threads. It just so happens that this forum is more active, so the less active threads get pushed away. That forum is more on topic than...well, the OFF TOPIC forum, so it will obviously be slower considering not anybody can post any random bs.

The same applies to the OTF.

-AC

Why do you keep pulling me into defending the OTF whole heartily. I've already said that yes, it is a shitty forum. Also, I don't want to Mod The OTF. I don't have the time, nor patience to do so. Also, I've been banned before, and had a few warnings; automatic No Mod ship right there. Like I was saying, I just find the CBvs a bad forum, and then you brought the OTF into this. Not me.

Alpha Centauri

Originally posted by Vinny Valentine
Why do you keep pulling me into defending the OTF whole heartily. I've already said that yes, it is a shitty forum. Also, I don't want to Mod The OTF. I don't have the time, nor patience to do so. Also, I've been banned before, and had a few warnings; automatic No Mod ship right there. Like I was saying, I just find the CBvs a bad forum, and then you brought the OTF into this. Not me.

So you find it a bad forum, fine. Maybe leave the matter-of-factly claims out of it next time.

-AC

Lana

Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
The one that sort of puts your one away regarding people from a shit forum filtering into others. Considering how you implied we all have to deal with shit members, which is true.

You don't have to deal with shit members of the CB Vs Forum half as much as the ones here, because you frequent this forum a lot more, and members from here, as it's less of a specialist forum, frequent and bleed into other parts.

For the most part, people just sign up to go in the comics area and never come out.

-AC

Where on earth did you get ANYTHING like that from my posts? That's not even remotely what I said OR meant.

When I say "keeps all the shit in one area away from the rest", I meant content, not people. I doubt everyone who posts in the CB forums has an interest in Vs stuff and are probably glad it's all in one place and not spread over all the CB forums.

Alpha Centauri

Originally posted by Lana
Where on earth did you get ANYTHING like that from my posts? That's not even remotely what I said OR meant.

When I say "keeps all the shit in one area away from the rest", I meant content, not people. I doubt everyone who posts in the CB forums has interest in Vs stuff and are probably glad it's all in one place and not spread over all the CB forums.

You answered the first question with the following explanation.

Secondly, then if content is your concern, I fail to see how either is worse. There are OTF-esque threads and comic book threads that idiots incorrectly post elsewhere than the places they are meant to be. Furthermore, you made a point saying "We all have to deal with the morons.". If content is a concern of yours, then you're wrong.

Vinny doesn't have to deal with the shit content of the Vs Forums if he doesn't go there.

I fail to see how one forum is worse than another, surely it's a people problem if content spreading is a concern.

-AC

Lana

Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
You answered the first question with the following explanation.

Secondly, then if content is your concern, I fail to see how either is worse. There are OTF-esque threads and comic book threads that idiots incorrectly post elsewhere than the places they are meant to be. Furthermore, you made a point saying "We all have to deal with the morons.". If content is a concern of yours, then you're wrong.

Vinny doesn't have to deal with the shit content of the Vs Forums if he doesn't go there.

I fail to see how one forum is worse than another, surely it's a people problem if content spreading is a concern.

-AC

Yeah, point? Where do you see me defending the OTF at all? Note: I'm not. I haven't at any point.

And that's not what I said, actually. What I said is that the mods are not the only people who have to deal with people being morons. That does not necessarily mean everyone.

Frankly, I think the OTF and CB Vs both tend to be pretty crap. The OTF because it's so bland and boring, and CB Vs because of how hostile it gets. Though that's also a trend (hostility) seen an any place where debates take place, it's not exclusive to that particular forum, but it is the largest forum here that revolves around debating.

Alpha Centauri

Originally posted by Lana
Yeah, point? Where do you see me defending the OTF at all? Note: I'm not. I haven't at any point.

So this is "I'm gonna say something for the sake of it"?

Originally posted by Lana
And that's not what I said, actually. What I said is that the mods are not the only people who have to deal with people being morons. That does not necessarily mean everyone.

Then explaining yourself may be an appropriate solution. I'm not a mind reader. Who does it mean? Not just the mods, and not everyone, so who are you talking about?

All of us have to deal with morons somehow.

Originally posted by Lana
Frankly, I think the OTF and CB Vs both tend to be pretty crap. The OTF because it's so bland and boring, and CB Vs because of how hostile it gets.

So then we're back to square one. You think they're both crappy forums, we both agree, but I was debating Vinny seemingly giving OTF the edge based on nothing but personal bias, and you chimed in with a point that was more or less irrelevant.

-AC

Baby Bear

who is up here talkin about comics?

Freakin Geeks.

Vinny Valentine

Originally posted by Alpha Centauri

So then we're back to square one. You think they're both crappy forums, we both agree, but I was debating Vinny seemingly giving OTF the edge based on nothing but personal bias, and you chimed in with a point that was more or less irrelevant.

-AC

I Said they both sucked ermm

I just meant, the OTF comes up with more interesting things usually. I browse both forums, and all it ever is, is bickering over if Superman could beat Ratman in a fight.

Alpha Centauri

Originally posted by Vinny Valentine
I Said they both sucked ermm

I just meant, the OTF comes up with more interesting things usually. I browse both forums, and all it ever is, is bickering over if Superman could beat Ratman in a fight.

And all it ever seems to be in here, is some kind of generic club or some other bs.

"Interesting" is relative. Batman Vs Superman is interesting to some, and at least that premise holds more credibility than "So and So's Bar.".

Discussing the potential outcome between two comic book characters fighting is a lot less silly than "Let's create a thread where we pretend we're in a bar, but still type like we do in any other thread.", or worse, ones involving sex.

-AC

Vinny Valentine

Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
And all it ever seems to be in here, is some kind of generic club or some other bs.

"Interesting" is relative. Batman Vs Superman is interesting to some, and at least that premise holds more credibility than "So and So's Bar.".

Discussing the potential outcome between two comic book characters fighting is a lot less silly than "Let's create a thread where we pretend we're in a bar, but still type like we do in any other thread.", or worse, ones involving sex.

-AC

Social thread: They are in almost every forum that has people under 17. And alot of people meet here and become good friends off the forum. Also, there ARE ideas the get alot of people active, and moving around the forum, or having fun. The OTF has been very, Very Dry lately, but like I said, I just don't think it's as bad as a Vrs forum. Of course thats opinion, but the OTF did and still have good threads that come up. With The comic Book Vrs, they will eventually run out of any normal character to us, and have to relate to ones people have never heard about.

Alpha Centauri

Originally posted by Vinny Valentine
Social thread: They are in almost every forum that has people under 17. And alot of people meet here and become good friends off the forum. Also, there ARE ideas the get alot of people active, and moving around the forum, or having fun. The OTF has been very, Very Dry lately, but like I said, I just don't think it's as bad as a Vrs forum. Of course thats opinion, but the OTF did and still have good threads that come up. With The comic Book Vrs, they will eventually run out of any normal character to us, and have to relate to ones people have never heard about.

One social thread is fine. Many under the guise of different names is stupid.

You base your opinion of the OTF having good threads on what? Nothing but "Cos I believe they are.". Good threads in the sense of enjoyment, but they are much less credible than a thread with a point, regardless of how many hits it gets.

A thread intended to discuss Superman Vs The Hulk has a point, there's a debate to be had. So and So's Sex Shop, So and So's Bar, So and So's Coffee Shop, aka all the same thread, different names.

There will always be new members, new comics, new stories, new characters and powers. So there will always be things that change the dynamic and relevance of that forum.

Here it will just remain a pile of same threads/different names.

-AC

Vinny Valentine

Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
One social thread is fine. Many under the guise of different names is stupid.

You base your opinion of the OTF having good threads on what? Nothing but "Cos I believe they are.". Good threads in the sense of enjoyment, but they are much less credible than a thread with a point, regardless of how many hits it gets.

A thread intended to discuss Superman Vs The Hulk has a point, there's a debate to be had. So and So's Sex Shop, So and So's Bar, So and So's Coffee Shop, aka all the same thread, different names.

There will always be new members, new comics, new stories, new characters and powers. So there will always be things that change the dynamic and relevance of that forum.

Here it will just remain a pile of same threads/different names.

-AC

Yet, the OTF isn't Just Social Threads. Pretty much every poster who posts ALOT in the OTF has one, and everyone else just huddles around them. People will constantly come up with new ideas to entertain people. Of course the Comic book Vrs will go on, I just PERSONALLY find that its a place for people to post a thread, and never go back to it. Even though, the main ones, AKA HulkvSuperman, SupermanvBatman do have good arguments and such.

Alpha Centauri

Originally posted by Vinny Valentine
Yet, the OTF isn't Just Social Threads. Pretty much every poster who posts ALOT in the OTF has one, and everyone else just huddles around them. People will constantly come up with new ideas to entertain people. Of course the Comic book Vrs will go on, I just PERSONALLY find that its a place for people to post a thread, and never go back to it. Even though, the main ones, AKA HulkvSuperman, SupermanvBatman do have good arguments and such.

READ what I'm saying. READ it.

The very fact that almost every poster has the same thread under a different name proves my point. The threads in the Vs Forum, regardless of success, have more point by default. There's a goal to be achieved that, unless it's a duplicate thread, hasn't been achieved before, nor asked. Here, it's not the same.

One social thread would technically be enough. You couldn't have one thread for Vs discussion.

What you PERSONALLY find it to be isn't relevant, what it actually IS in comparison is what counts.

-AC

Vinny Valentine

Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
READ what I'm saying. READ it.

The very fact that almost every poster has the same thread under a different name proves my point. The threads in the Vs Forum, regardless of success, have more point by default. There's a goal to be achieved that, unless it's a duplicate thread, hasn't been achieved before, nor asked. Here, it's not the same.

One social thread would technically be enough. You couldn't have one thread for Vs discussion.

What you PERSONALLY find it to be isn't relevant, what it actually IS in comparison is what counts.

-AC

Yet, you personally find they have more point. Like, a thread in the Comic Book forum about Screech vs Troll Man 41, it may be very stupid and make no sense, yet a thread in the OTF that could possibly (Making one up on the spot) Have to do with bringing KMC members to a convention, or getting them more active to do something on other parts of the forum or such. It's all about how much thought is put into a thread. And Yes, One Social thread wouldn't suffice. The OTF has the most traffic on the site, and if you have all these people posting in one thread, you wouldn't be able to communicate at all.

Alpha Centauri

Originally posted by Vinny Valentine
Yet, you personally find they have more point. Like, a thread in the Comic Book forum about Screech vs Troll Man 41, it may be very stupid and make no sense, yet a thread in the OTF that could possibly (Making one up on the spot) Have to do with bringing KMC members to a convention, or getting them more active to do something on other parts of the forum or such. It's all about how much thought is put into a thread. And Yes, One Social thread wouldn't suffice. The OTF has the most traffic on the site, and if you have all these people posting in one thread, you wouldn't be able to communicate at all.

No, you're getting really baffled.

The goal to be achieved by a social thread is to be social. It has been achieved when the first one was created, the rest serve no purpose other than to repeat and clog. Vs Threads keep going and, regardless of success, have more point because they haven't been done before. Social threads have, so doing another one, just to do the same thing with the same people, has much less of a point, if it even has one at all. Please stop the bias, it's getting a bit silly.

I love the way you just made up a thread that doesn't exist. It's invalid as a result.

Of course you'd be able to communicate, but either way, multiple social threads are mere repetition. Many different Vs Threads are not, success doesn't change that.

-AC

Vinny Valentine

Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
No, you're getting really baffled.

The goal to be achieved by a social thread is to be social. It has been achieved when the first one was created, the rest serve no purpose other than to repeat and clog. Vs Threads keep going and, regardless of success, have more point because they haven't been done before. Social threads have, so doing another one, just to do the same thing with the same people, has much less of a point, if it even has one at all. Please stop the bias, it's getting a bit silly.

I love the way you just made up a thread that doesn't exist. It's invalid as a result.

Of course you'd be able to communicate, but either way, multiple social threads are mere repetition. Many different Vs Threads are not, success doesn't change that.

-AC

You're fixated on Social threads which yes, on the first page there is about 6 active ones. Yet, a good amount of people post in each one, and its pretty much a place for OTF's cliques. Anyway, Thats not the point. If you spent more time in the OTF, you'd know that its NOT just social threads, and that some really good ideas do come out of it. If someone can think up a thread, that has a point and is actually quite interesting and fairly complex(For an OTF Thread), it already has more on 80% of the SBvs forums, if not more.

Puzzle

Here's my views...if you don't like a particular forum...get the **** out and quit your whining about it.

That's my entire argument.

Alpha Centauri

Originally posted by Vinny Valentine
You're fixated on Social threads which yes, on the first page there is about 6 active ones. Yet, a good amount of people post in each one, and its pretty much a place for OTF's cliques. Anyway, Thats not the point. If you spent more time in the OTF, you'd know that its NOT just social threads, and that some really good ideas do come out of it. If someone can think up a thread, that has a point and is actually quite interesting and fairly complex(For an OTF Thread), it already has more on 80% of the SBvs forums, if not more.

I'm not sure if I'll have to start drawing paint sketches for you, but I'll give it a go with text again.

The very fact that there are 6 threads doing what one could do, and in absolutely no different ways, is what proves my point. There are not 5 Batman Vs Superman threads, unless they are duplicates that have been quickly closed, because one is needed, there's a point inherent to that thread and therefore, another isn't needed.

"Really good ideas" is subjective. I've never really seen anything that great here, with regards to ideas.

The point isn't success of threads, that's what you're failing to understand and grasp. The 6 social threads are more successful, but 5 of them are essentially pointless, because they are doing what one thread could do.

You wouldn't have 6 Spider-Man Vs Batman threads, you'd have one. Ergo, the threads there have more point than ones here that are completely the same and duplicated time and time again, because they are different threads to each other.

Originally posted by Puzzle
Here's my views...if you don't like a particular forum...get the **** out and quit your whining about it.

That's my entire argument.

That's not what's being discussed.

-AC

Seraphim XIII

The OTF and the Comics VS are practically the same animal. The only thing I was referring to as a negative was the fact that they think they're great debaters. Don't hold this as arrogant, but I've already torn apart five guys in a mere hour that are supposed to be the top debaters within that forum.

You cannot call the Comics VS bad because they argue about comical characters and take them to heart.

I've seen pointless threads, ridiculous debates about supposed "Love Triangles" online and people generally acting ridiculous.

The only difference? The OTF has better spelling.

guy222

Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
So what is the point of this?

I back ya, Chaos. They might be jealous big grin

Heated discussions happen. Best to respect and go forward

Seraphim XIII

Oh well, I've resigned at the Comic VS. Too much easy debating. I'll stick to the GDF.

Vinny Valentine

Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
I'm not sure if I'll have to start drawing paint sketches for you, but I'll give it a go with text again.

The very fact that there are 6 threads doing what one could do, and in absolutely no different ways, is what proves my point. There are not 5 Batman Vs Superman threads, unless they are duplicates that have been quickly closed, because one is needed, there's a point inherent to that thread and therefore, another isn't needed.

"Really good ideas" is subjective. I've never really seen anything that great here, with regards to ideas.

The point isn't success of threads, that's what you're failing to understand and grasp. The 6 social threads are more successful, but 5 of them are essentially pointless, because they are doing what one thread could do.

You wouldn't have 6 Spider-Man Vs Batman threads, you'd have one. Ergo, the threads there have more point than ones here that are completely the same and duplicated time and time again, because they are different threads to each other.

That's not what's being discussed.

-AC

You're failing to grasp the fact that they aren't all the same thread, just because they are social threads. Each one is for a different Clique. For Example, K.Diddys Palace and such, My Thread, and Sanctuary's. Three different social threads. K.diddys is about him coming and talking with his older, ******* friends usually. Mine, is about coming on and talking about things that usually relate to sex(So I keep it out of EVER thread) and Sanctuary's is an ALL girl thread. If you merged all them together, no one would post in it, because people don't come to KMC to be forced to be in a thread with someone else.

Also, You aren't in the OTF 85% of your KMC Time; I am. There HAVE been alot of good threads, that went on for awhile and were very successful. For example: The KMC Cards. Spent Hours Photoshoping each member a card, then another hour making up the rules on how to play the game on KMC. After getting them out, and the rule son how to get the cards, I actually had two groups of people start playing each other with the cards, and many others just playing with them in threads. Hell, they're still played with today and it was made last year. Is that not a Successful thread? There are alot more too that have been very successful, that took people along time to put together, you just haven't been here to see them because from what it seems, you don't stalk the OTF alot.

Skeets

Originally posted by Seraphim XIII
Oh well, I've resigned at the Comic VS. Too much easy debating. I'll stick to the GDF.
If you're debating with Capt it up,of course.

Seraphim XIII

Just because I'm a bastard, I thought I'd show everyone how hard I just owned the raging and numerous Wolverine fans.

http://www.killermovies.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=10185&from=thread&pagenumber=856#post8520340

Lookit how my argument is excused by Jinzin because he can't say shit. God, I f*cking rock.

Alpha Centauri

Originally posted by Vinny Valentine
You're failing to grasp the fact that they aren't all the same thread, just because they are social threads. Each one is for a different Clique. For Example, K.Diddys Palace and such, My Thread, and Sanctuary's. Three different social threads. K.diddys is about him coming and talking with his older, ******* friends usually. Mine, is about coming on and talking about things that usually relate to sex(So I keep it out of EVER thread) and Sanctuary's is an ALL girl thread. If you merged all them together, no one would post in it, because people don't come to KMC to be forced to be in a thread with someone else.

Also, You aren't in the OTF 85% of your KMC Time; I am. There HAVE been alot of good threads, that went on for awhile and were very successful. For example: The KMC Cards. Spent Hours Photoshoping each member a card, then another hour making up the rules on how to play the game on KMC. After getting them out, and the rule son how to get the cards, I actually had two groups of people start playing each other with the cards, and many others just playing with them in threads. Hell, they're still played with today and it was made last year. Is that not a Successful thread? There are alot more too that have been very successful, that took people along time to put together, you just haven't been here to see them because from what it seems, you don't stalk the OTF alot.

Are you trying to misunderstand me? It doesn't matter if it's a different clique or not. It's the same kind of thread; Social. It doesn't matter about who's involved or what they're called, because the content, regardless of subject, is the same.

Like I said, good threads is subjective, don't act as if it's a fact just because you like them. Just because someone saw fit to spend hours photoshopping cards (Hmm how long did that last? Exactly), doesn't mean it makes it good. It's not a successful THREAD, it just means it's an idea that a couple of people return to. You're clutching at straws to justify your BS argument.

Stop saying "From what it seems.", because you're obviously not a perceptive guy.

-AC

Syren

I'm reserving judgement on the CB vs forum because I never visit the place, but if it is a clone of the OTF as many people seem to be suggesting then I would think it's no longer serving its purpose. The OTF may be filled with crappy, repetitive and moronic threads but that's what it's for so it is serving its purpose.

Just sayin' stick out tongue

jinzin

Originally posted by Seraphim XIII
Just because I'm a bastard, I thought I'd show everyone how hard I just owned the raging and numerous Wolverine fans.

http://www.killermovies.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=10185&from=thread&pagenumber=856#post8520340

Lookit how my argument is excused by Jinzin because he can't say shit. God, I f*cking rock.

is that what you think you're doing? because I just dismantled your argument like it was childsplay. no expression

Vinny Valentine

Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
Are you trying to misunderstand me? It doesn't matter if it's a different clique or not. It's the same kind of thread; Social. It doesn't matter about who's involved or what they're called, because the content, regardless of subject, is the same.

Like I said, good threads is subjective, don't act as if it's a fact just because you like them. Just because someone saw fit to spend hours photoshopping cards (Hmm how long did that last? Exactly), doesn't mean it makes it good. It's not a successful THREAD, it just means it's an idea that a couple of people return to. You're clutching at straws to justify your BS argument.

Stop saying "From what it seems.", because you're obviously not a perceptive guy.

-AC

AC, you're running out of things to go on here laughing out loud

Syren

Quit flapping your ego laughing out loud

ThePittman

Originally posted by Seraphim XIII
Wow, I saw the debater that everyone thought was the best debater in those forums ...

Wow. Just ... Wow. Spending a WEEK debating in there has dropped my IQ significantly.

May I add I didn't even mention the word "Handbook" for the week I've spent debating in that forum. argue

Isnâ€™t it a bit pointless to say how much a â€œgood debaterâ€ you are if you have to say it. wink

Alpha Centauri

Originally posted by Vinny Valentine
AC, you're running out of things to go on here laughing out loud

You keep trying to go back to the Social thread factor, and saying that I'm completely biased, and making it seem like you aren't. Let It go, you don't have enough evidence to prove that the CBvs is better then the OTF. And You Still don't get it, and I don't think you ever will. All Social threads are not the same, and I clearly pointed that out in my previous post.

I'm not running out of things to go on, I've always been making the same point, you're just being either too simple or too ignorant to grasp what I'm saying. Maybe it's because you have some kind of inherant love for this forum, I don't know.

I'm not biased at all, I left that forum because it became shit, and I'm not defending it, I'm simply promoting fairness. It doesn't work like that, Vin. You can't just make claims and have them stand, you have to back them up, but you're young and new to this whole debating things. So I'll accept the fact that you haven't honed your skills yet.

I don't think the CB Vs Forum is BETTER, junior. I simply said its threads have more point by default, for reasons I continually explain and you keep ignoring. It's not a matter of opinion, it's a matter of looking at it from an objective point of view.

If anything, I prefer this place, but it is what it is; KMC's toilet. The CB Vs Forum has a point to its threads, regardless of how successful they are or not. Social threads are the same if the content is the same, it doesn't matter who's involved or what the SPECIFIC content is. If one thread is about people chatting and chilling, and the other is the same, then they are the same thread, because the content is the same.

I understand that, being an OTFer, this may be a little much for you, but it's not that hard a point, and replying with "You don't get it", doesn't work in debates. Try spending time in a few, grasp the rules of conduct, then perhaps try again.

-AC

DarkC

Originally posted by Vinny Valentine
AC, you're running out of things to go on here laughing out loud

You keep trying to go back to the Social thread factor, and saying that I'm completely biased, and making it seem like you aren't.
Vinny, you're biased. You even said it yourself, you spend 85% of your KMC runtime here, made friends, made popularity.

AC isn't, from what I've seen he's spent most of his KMC time debating matters in GDF or other current-events related topics. He's dropped in both CBVs and the OTF periodically but isn't an actual frequenter of either.

Neither do you have 'evidence' to prove OTF is better, it's still an opiniated and not factual subject.

If you look at both from, say, an outsider's extremely pessimistic view, they'll think that OTF is overrun with egotistical snobs and completely random and useless threadmakers and topics. On the other hand, the same person will take a look at CBVs and see a bunch of no-life geeks arguing their brains out about their beloved fictional hero taking on some other.

They're still all fundamentally the same, otherwise they wouldn't be rounded up as a group and collectively labelled 'Social' threads. Some might have different themes/names/hosts, but they're still just of members hanging out and talking randomly.

WrathfulDwarf

Batman Pwned all of their asses. batman

DarkC

Originally posted by WrathfulDwarf
Batman Pwned all of their asses. batman
Warchief Thrall could give Batman a run for his money. no expression

Symmetric Chaos

Originally posted by DarkC
Warchief Thrall could give Batman a run for his money. no expression

Alpha Centauri

Originally posted by WrathfulDwarf
Batman Pwned all of their asses. batman

See, at least someone knows what a fact is.

(Except most Marvel characters).

-AC

WrathfulDwarf

Originally posted by DarkC
Warchief Thrall could give Batman a run for his money. no expression

Batman summons Superman FTW....

...OOooooohhhHHHHH!!!!

Alpha Centauri

Originally posted by WrathfulDwarf
Batman summons Superman....

...OOooooohhhHHHHH!!!!

Oh no he didn't.

-AC

WrathfulDwarf

Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
See, at least someone knows what a fact is.

(Except most Marvel characters).

-AC

Haven't read much from Marvel since the mid 90s. erm

Symmetric Chaos

Originally posted by WrathfulDwarf
Batman summons Superman FTW....

...OOooooohhhHHHHH!!!!

Thrall hits his hammer on the ground and throws it at them.

Alpha Centauri

Originally posted by WrathfulDwarf
Haven't read much from Marvel since the mid 90s. erm

Not missing much, really. Ever since the success of X-Men movies they've been more interested in having a million and one variations of X-Men comics, rather than concentrating on others. The Silver Surfer's solo series was cancelled as a result, as was Thanos', it's sad.

Good news about Captain America being killed, finally, though.

-AC

WrathfulDwarf

Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
Not missing much, really. Ever since the success of X-Men movies they've been more interested in having a million and one variations of X-Men comics, rather than concentrating on others. The Silver Surfer's solo series was cancelled as a result, as was Thanos', it's sad.

Good news about Captain America being killed, finally, though.

-AC

Yeah, I keep updated on what happens in the MU. Just really, not buying their books, I'm still stuck in the 80s with Marvel for quite awhile.

DarkC

Eclipso

Originally posted by WrathfulDwarf
Haven't read much from Marvel since the mid 90s. erm

The current Marvel U blows. And Captain America isn't dead, if you read the other isses.

Alpha Centauri

Originally posted by Eclipso
The current Marvel U blows. And Captain America isn't dead, if you read the other isses.

He was killed, therefore he's dead. He will be back, obviously.

-AC

Eclipso

Nope if you read the avengers, Iron man says they have him in stasis on the RAFT. And I believe it's going to be Red Skull who heals him.

Alpha Centauri

Originally posted by Eclipso
Nope if you read the avengers, Iron man says they have him in stasis on the RAFT. And I believe it's going to be Red Skull who heals him.

Who's discussing The Avengers? I'm talking Civil War.

Personally I hate the man, wish he'd stay dead.

-AC

Eclipso

LOL I hate the wimp too. But I also hate Iron Man. And yes Cap got shot but in the most recent issues of the Avengers they say he's not dead but in stasis, so a kinda living death I would imagine.

Alpha Centauri

I do think it's a bit cheap.

The man goes into Space and fights (Poorly) with Thanos, only to be shot. It suggests that any mugger with a gun could do the same.

-AC

Eclipso

LOL Not to mention when he fought Korvac single handedly. Whats the term you VS guys use for a stupid outragous fight?

Alpha Centauri

Originally posted by Eclipso
LOL Not to mention when he fought Korvac single handedly. Whats the term you VS guys use for a stupid outragous fight?

I'm not a Vs guy, haven't been in there since the threads started getting stupid with "Rogue Vs The Hulk." and were treated with legitimate respect.

-AC

jinzin

Originally posted by ThePittman
argue

Isnâ€™t it a bit pointless to say how much a â€œgood debaterâ€ you are if you have to say it. wink

exactly.

Alpha Centauri

People confuse "good debating" with making long posts with lots of points, regardless of whether or not the points are accurate, sensible, or mean anything.

-AC

jinzin

Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
See, at least someone knows what a fact is.

(Except most Marvel characters).

-AC

and godzilla....

and guyver....

Alpha Centauri

Originally posted by jinzin
and godzilla....

and guyver....

And in one fell swoop, Jinzin proves two points in one.

1) How stupid the comics forum gets with its Vs participants.

and 2) ...Actually just the first one.

Godzilla Vs Batman. The thing is, I wouldn't put it passed someone to actually create that. I sensed the decline when it reached Rogue Vs The Hulk and Gambit Vs Dr. Doom.

-AC

jinzin

Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
And in one fell swoop, Jinzin proves two points in one.

1) How stupid the comics forum gets with its Vs participants.

and 2) ...Actually just the first one.

Godzilla Vs Batman. The thing is, I wouldn't put it passed someone to actually create that. I sensed the decline when it reached Rogue Vs The Hulk and Gambit Vs Dr. Doom.

-AC

that was a good bit of unnecessary... I was just being humorous.

Alpha Centauri

I know, just making a point.

You were being humourous, but some actually would do that.

-AC

jinzin

Your point called for an insult that wasn't earned on my part? confused

Puzzle

Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
I do think it's a bit cheap.

The man goes into Space and fights (Poorly) with Thanos, only to be shot. It suggests that any mugger with a gun could do the same.

-AC

Yeah, the guy serves in WW2, then he fights in modern times against a plethora of villains with superpowers...and some unnamed guy with a gun takes the final blow. no expression

Alpha Centauri

Not that I care, I hope he stays dead.

Originally posted by jinzin
Your point called for an insult that wasn't earned on my part? confused

I didn't insult you, you did prove how stupid the forum can be. I didn't say you were actually stupid.

-AC

Redatom65

lol pal, everyone thinks capt it up is a terrible fanboy.

Eclipso

Originally posted by Puzzle
Yeah, the guy serves in WW2, then he fights in modern times against a plethora of villains with superpowers...and some unnamed guy with a gun takes the final blow. no expression

Um, he's not dead.

DarkC

Originally posted by Eclipso
Um, he's not dead.
C. America got killed by a sniper's bullet very recently.

Seraphim XIII

Originally posted by jinzin
is that what you think you're doing? because I just dismantled your argument like it was childsplay. no expression

I think you need to go back to that thread and go look at the second serving of ownage I just handed to you. The next rebuttal I have to your next reply will be even better because I won't be over tired.

Seraphim XIII

Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
People confuse "good debating" with making long posts with lots of points, regardless of whether or not the points are accurate, sensible, or mean anything.

-AC

That is quite true.

Quite true.

Puzzle

Originally posted by Eclipso
Um, he's not dead.

Umm...yes he is. According to everyone but you he is considered dead.

ThePittman

suicide1wa

Tha C-Master

Originally posted by Vinny Valentine
The OTF may be bad, but the Comic book forums are REALLY bad erm

But yes, it does hold that purpose. So why make threads there? Do you hate it because your threads are not successful there? This one is probably as bad/worse. They all have flamewars and arguments.

But I hope Seraphim was joking with his initial post about the person in question. I do agree that the forum has too many bashers and people who can't actually argue though, and I'm not going to name anyone.

Cindy Bear

Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
1) How stupid the comics forum gets with its Vs participants.

and 2) ...Actually just the first one.

-AC

It is really a very silly place.

- Cindy

Bloigen

Originally posted by Eclipso
Um, he's not dead.

http://www.cnn.com/2007/SHOWBIZ/books/03/07/captain.america/index.html

Cindy Bear

Originally posted by Seraphim XIII
Wow, I saw the debater that everyone thought was the best debater in those forums ...

Wow. Just ... Wow. Spending a WEEK debating in there has dropped my IQ significantly.

May I add I didn't even mention the word "Handbook" for the week I've spent debating in that forum.

Lol, Mr Master and Co are all very stupid. Comics are down to the writer you can't debate what will happen in them.

- Cindy

Cindy Bear

Seraphim XIII

Originally posted by Cindy Bear
Lol, Mr Master and Co are all very stupid. Comics are down to the writer you can't debate what will happen in them.

- Cindy

...?

Bloigen

Originally posted by Seraphim XIII
...?

Just a sock doing his rounds.

Cindy Bear

Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
That's precisely the problem.

Idiots get too far into real world physics that it actually becomes pathetic. Or they say "So and so could beat The Hulk if they just dodged all his moves and then did loads of stuff to kill him.".

You could say that about anything. Doesn't mean it'll ever happen.

-AC

Exactly, real world science and comics do not mix.

- Cindy

Cindy Bear

Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
I'm not a Vs guy, haven't been in there since the threads started getting stupid with "Rogue Vs The Hulk." and were treated with legitimate respect.

-AC

I think that threads been done about ten times.

- Cindy

Seraphim XIII

Originally posted by Cindy Bear
I think that threads been done about ten times.

- Cindy

Why are you copying AC?

Eclipso

Originally posted by Puzzle
Umm...yes he is. According to everyone but you he is considered dead.

Read Mighty Avengers and The Initative. Iron Man even says he's not dead.

Cindy Bear

Originally posted by Seraphim XIII
Why are you copying AC?

What do you mean?

- Cindy

Seraphim XIII

Originally posted by Cindy Bear

- Cindy

Puzzle

Originally posted by Eclipso
Read Mighty Avengers and The Initative. Iron Man even says he's not dead.

Latest issue says he is dead...

"While entering a Federal Courthouse, Steve Rogers is shot through the back by a sniper. In the ensuing crowd chaos, he is shot three times in the stomach and chest with a handgun, and later dies of his injuries in a hospital."

Cindy Bear

Originally posted by Seraphim XIII

Oh, you mean signing my posts as though they are works of art despite having my name dispayed by my post? It's actually quite a common practice around the Intrawebbe. Some people even have catchphrases although that is to much even for my bear sized ego.

- Cindy

Eclipso

Originally posted by Puzzle
Latest issue says he is dead...

"While entering a Federal Courthouse, Steve Rogers is shot through the back by a sniper. In the ensuing crowd chaos, he is shot three times in the stomach and chest with a handgun, and later dies of his injuries in a hospital."

Read the other 2 issues I suggested, it's a ploy by Iron Man, he wants the world to think Cap is dead.

Seraphim XIII

Originally posted by Cindy Bear
Oh, you mean signing my posts as though they are works of art despite having my name dispayed by my post? It's actually quite a common practice around the Intrawebbe. Some people even have catchphrases although that is to much even for my bear sized ego.

- Cindy

Dude, you copied AC.

Cindy Bear

Originally posted by Seraphim XIII
Dude, you copied AC.
Trust me "dude", you'll find it very common on other forums. As you will also find catphrases. That's cool, you're new to the web.

- Cindy

Seraphim XIII

Originally posted by Eclipso
Read the other 2 issues I suggested, it's a ploy by Iron Man, he wants the world to think Cap is dead.

Actually, Crossbones shot Captain America four times and his last shot fatally puncured him in the abdomen.

Captain America is dying but he is being hidden and they're trying to save his life.

Seraphim XIII

Originally posted by Cindy Bear
Trust me "dude", you'll find it very common on other forums. As you will also find catphrases. That's cool, you're new to the web.

- Cindy

Dude.

You copied AC.

Eclipso

Originally posted by Seraphim XIII
Actually, Crossbones shot Captain America four times and his last shot fatally puncured him in the abdomen.

Captain America is dying but he is being hidden and they're trying to save his life.

Yes but Iron Man is keep it under raps so the world THINKS he's dead.

Cindy Bear

Originally posted by Seraphim XIII
Dude.

You copied AC.

"Dude", Cindy is a girls name! Many on the web sign posts, check out some other forums youngster wink

- Cindy

Seraphim XIII

Originally posted by Cindy Bear
"Dude", Cindy is a girls name! Many on the web sign posts, check out some other forums youngster wink

- Cindy

I can almost guarantee you're younger than I am.

All the kids are too scared to show their names. wink

And, you ripped off AC's trademark.

Seraphim XIII

Originally posted by Eclipso
Yes but Iron Man is keep it under raps so the world THINKS he's dead.

Yes, he does. no expression

DarkC

Originally posted by Cindy Bear
"Dude", Cindy is a girls name! Many on the web sign posts, check out some other forums youngster wink

- Cindy
Yes, but the fact remains that AC was basically the only one on KMC before you came on who signed each and every one of his posts with his initials. To those who know him, it'd appear that you're mimicking him.

ThePittman

Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
That's precisely the problem.

Idiots get too far into real world physics that it actually becomes pathetic. Or they say "So and so could beat The Hulk if they just dodged all his moves and then did loads of stuff to kill him.".

You could say that about anything. Doesn't mean it'll ever happen.

-AC However if you do not a base to compare from then you can not say one will beat the other, now granted that comics break the laws of physics all the time but they are also based in them as well.

Eclipso

Originally posted by Seraphim XIII
Yes, he does. no expression

I know, I think he was behind Cap surrender, he used mind control during the war. But Cap isn't dead.

~Pielover~

Who cares about the Comics vs. forum. It's basically the OTF without the occaisional decent discussion.

Scythe

Goat will cry for this...

Alpha Centauri

Originally posted by ~Pielover~
Who cares about the Comics vs. forum. It's basically the OTF without the occaisional decent discussion.

Nah, it's not. This is.

Originally posted by ThePittman
However if you do not a base to compare from then you can not say one will beat the other, now granted that comics break the laws of physics all the time but they are also based in them as well.

Yes, but when it gets to the point of stretching ideas of how Rogue could beat Hulk to the point that they're thinner than Calista Flockheart, it's time to stop.

When you are using extreme, real life physics to tell me why Storm could beat Dr. Doom or The Hulk, it's time to stop. The answer should be, to any logical comics reader; "She just couldn't.". End of story.

That's like saying "But Iraq could beat the U.S in a war if they killed all their soldiers and conquered the country.". Yes, it'd work, but it just wouldn't ever happen.

-AC

Newjak

I will say this on the matter of the Comic Books VS Forum. There is a reason why it is its own forum. It is its own forum because it gets a lot of attention. Why because a lot of people are interested in the topics at hand. If this wasn't the case then it would not be its own forum.

As for it being worthless and pathetic. I think that is a point of view. Most of the people I hear saying this are people that do not post in it a lot of the time. The reason is because they do not find it interesting. Therefore to them it is a waste but for those people who post in it most of the time, they do not see it as a waste of time.

I honestly do not see a problem with a bunch of people getting together to debate and chat over topics that interest them. That is what is also done in the OTF. It is also what is done in the Video Game Forums, Movie Forums, RPG Forums, and every other forum that graces KMC.

Now as for the the trouble and reports that comes from the Comic Vs forums yes there is some. The fact of the matter is that most people on that forum that first join are either A) recently introduced to comics therefore are going on much limited information or B) are really young people. Now of course these characteristics can lead to many troubles.

What you do not see though is that many of these trouble makers eventually become very good productive members on the forums. This coming from the maturing of age and the gathering of more knowledge. Many of the members myself included will eventually go on to branch out into KMC becoming much better members.

I can use myself as a perfect example. I found KMC through the looking up of a particular comic book character. I was quite naive on some points but eventually though I would branch. I am now currently invloved in Three RPGs. I have made many friends on this site including Moderaters. On the comic book forums I like to think I have become a decent role-model for newer posters.

I am just one example there are far better debaters on that forum then me, far friendlier people I think, and even far better supporters of KMC then myself.

I like to think that the Comic Books VS forum is a pretty good forum. Some would agree some would disagree that is their opinion to have but the fact is that it wouldn't exist if it was all bad.

Thank You for your time
-Newjak