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I saw a rare piece of outstanding journalism last night with a documentary on the UK's Channel 4 that demolished the official story of global warming with scientists who exposed the lies peddled by the scientific establishment and the intimidation of those who refuse to support the official line.

As I said in my newsletter two weeks ago, global warming is caused by changes going on with the SUN. The claims about carbon dioxide are part of a gigantic fraud to impose more taxaxtion and control.

VIDEO OF THE UK CHANNEL 4 DEMOLITION OF THE CARBON DIOXIDE-CAUSES-GLOBAL WARMING HOAX.

AN ABSOLUTELY MUST WATCH

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=9005566792811497638&q=global%2Bwarming%2Bswindle
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Green Groups Grumble Over Film Questioning Global Warming

Well, think of all the money they would lose when people realise that carbon-caused warming is a con)

http://www.crosswalk.com/news/11531333/
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Guardian Environment Correspondent Condemns The Great Global Warming Swindle Documentary But Then Says He Never Watched It!

{'For a man in his position not to have watched a demolition of the carbon-dioxide-causes-global-warming lie that he perpetuates every day is a disgrace and shows that he and his like are not to be taken seriously. Here is a man far more interested in justifying his own existence than researching the truth.' }

http://commentisfree.guardian.co.uk/david_adam/2007/03/envirocon.html

Meanwhile in Cuckoo Land ...

'The Conservatives are planning a series of new environmental taxes on flights aimed at combating climate change. The party will publish a consultation document on Sunday asking people for their views on various proposals. The proposals include levying VAT or fuel duty on domestic flights and a green air miles scheme.'

Pinch me I'm dreaming ... 'ouch!' ... no I'm not.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/6438685.stm

Originally posted by Deano
I saw a rare piece of outstanding journalism last night with a documentary on the UK's Channel 4 that demolished the official story of global warming with scientists who exposed the lies peddled by the scientific establishment and the intimidation of those who refuse to support the official line.

As I said in my newsletter two weeks ago, global warming is caused by changes going on with the SUN. The claims about carbon dioxide are part of a gigantic fraud to impose more taxaxtion and control.

VIDEO OF THE UK CHANNEL 4 DEMOLITION OF THE CARBON DIOXIDE-CAUSES-GLOBAL WARMING HOAX.

AN ABSOLUTELY MUST WATCH

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=9005566792811497638&q=global%2Bwarming%2Bswindle
...................
Green Groups Grumble Over Film Questioning Global Warming

Well, think of all the money they would lose when people realise that carbon-caused warming is a con)

http://www.crosswalk.com/news/11531333/
...........

Guardian Environment Correspondent Condemns The Great Global Warming Swindle Documentary But Then Says He Never Watched It!

{'For a man in his position not to have watched a demolition of the carbon-dioxide-causes-global-warming lie that he perpetuates every day is a disgrace and shows that he and his like are not to be taken seriously. Here is a man far more interested in justifying his own existence than researching the truth.' }

http://commentisfree.guardian.co.uk/david_adam/2007/03/envirocon.html

Meanwhile in Cuckoo Land ...

'The Conservatives are planning a series of new environmental taxes on flights aimed at combating climate change. The party will publish a consultation document on Sunday asking people for their views on various proposals. The proposals include levying VAT or fuel duty on domestic flights and a green air miles scheme.'

Pinch me I'm dreaming ... 'ouch!' ... no I'm not.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/6438685.stm I saw that too. Great show.

But shouldn't it be in the GDF?

Anyway, loved the show.

Q: What's the cause of Global Warming?
A: The sun.



Oh, did you see the conspiracy documentaries on BBC2 after Top Gear on Sundays?

Yeah, I saw the same thing. Really threw me for a loop. I'm pretty hardcore environmentalist....but now I have quite a bit to consider.

Originally posted by DigiMark007
Yeah, I saw the same thing. Really threw me for a loop. I'm pretty hardcore environmentalist....but now I have quite a bit to consider. I'm also an environmental socialist. Not one of those crack pots you see on American TV, one who is concerned about the poor and the environment. I always thought Global Warming was propoganda and not what people say it is...and now I have proof.

Haven't seen it myself but I really don't care what "experts" have to say about this sort of stuff. Pollution PERIOD is a problem. There's still air pollution, pollution in water, and so on that is killing people (doesn't have many stats on killing many besides Native Americans in their reservations though).

Global warming debates are like boxing: whoever gets the last lick wins, for the moment

The earth changes, that is a given. But if someone cannot accept that the overpopulation of the earth by about 4 billion people, the pollution resulting from the massive farming, industry and lifestyles of those people and the devastation of the environment and it's ability to cope with the pollution isn't hastening the process then they are a f*cking idiot.

As for global warming being a scam by those in power...George Bush (along with a few other of the world's politicians) says that it's not true, but he's supposed to be one of the illuminati's chubs who should tow the company line, so doesn't this really f*ck up some of your previous theories Deano?

Originally posted by Deano
I saw a rare piece of outstanding journalism last night with a documentary on the UK's Channel 4 that demolished the official story of global warming with scientists who exposed the lies peddled by the scientific establishment and the intimidation of those who refuse to support the official line.

As I said in my newsletter two weeks ago, global warming is caused by changes going on with the SUN. The claims about carbon dioxide are part of a gigantic fraud to impose more taxaxtion and control.

VIDEO OF THE UK CHANNEL 4 DEMOLITION OF THE CARBON DIOXIDE-CAUSES-GLOBAL WARMING HOAX.

AN ABSOLUTELY MUST WATCH

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=9005566792811497638&q=global%2Bwarming%2Bswindle
...................
Green Groups Grumble Over Film Questioning Global Warming

Well, think of all the money they would lose when people realise that carbon-caused warming is a con)

http://www.crosswalk.com/news/11531333/
...........

Guardian Environment Correspondent Condemns The Great Global Warming Swindle Documentary But Then Says He Never Watched It!

{'For a man in his position not to have watched a demolition of the carbon-dioxide-causes-global-warming lie that he perpetuates every day is a disgrace and shows that he and his like are not to be taken seriously. Here is a man far more interested in justifying his own existence than researching the truth.' }

http://commentisfree.guardian.co.uk/david_adam/2007/03/envirocon.html

Meanwhile in Cuckoo Land ...

'The Conservatives are planning a series of new environmental taxes on flights aimed at combating climate change. The party will publish a consultation document on Sunday asking people for their views on various proposals. The proposals include levying VAT or fuel duty on domestic flights and a green air miles scheme.'

Pinch me I'm dreaming ... 'ouch!' ... no I'm not.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/6438685.stm
the google video is not there any more, any other links to it?

Originally posted by Rohangiga
the google video is not there any more, any other links to it? There is one on youtube.

Originally posted by KharmaDog
The earth changes, that is a given. But if someone cannot accept that the overpopulation of the earth by about 4 billion people, the pollution resulting from the massive farming, industry and lifestyles of those people and the devastation of the environment and it's ability to cope with the pollution isn't hastening the process then they are a f*cking idiot.

As for global warming being a scam by those in power...George Bush (along with a few other of the world's politicians) says that it's not true, but he's supposed to be one of the illuminati's chubs who should tow the company line, so doesn't this really f*ck up some of your previous theories Deano? Global Warming is a neo-marxism scandal for those who want to end capitalism. And yes, this population explosion is an environmental problem. George Bush is an environmental problem. The corrupt government are one bad side, the crazy environmentalistare another. Things like these make me glad I'm neutral.

Originally posted by lord xyz
Global Warming is a neo-marxism scandal for those who want to end capitalism.

Or it's a result of:

- companies being to cheap to take the proper precautions such as installing smoke stack filters.

- car companies being to lazy and scared to design cars that don't suck gas like a 3 dollar hooker sucks c*ck.

- or oil companies being so greedy that they block the pursuit of cleaner, healthier alternatives.

Not to mention a thousand other reasons, none of them having to do with neo-marxism, the illuminati, or interdimensional lizard men.

Originally posted by KharmaDog
Or it's a result of:

- companies being to cheap to take the proper precautions such as installing smoke stack filters.

- car companies being to lazy and scared to design cars that don't suck gas like a 3 dollar hooker sucks c*ck.

- or oil companies being so greedy that they block the pursuit of cleaner, healthier alternatives.

Not to mention a thousand other reasons, none of them having to do with neo-marxism, the illuminati, or interdimensional lizard men. No no no. I agree with nvironmental pollution and all that, but all this chaos and propoganda is by those who want to end capitalism. Just ask Patrick Moore, the co-founder of greenpeace. He's probably the best person to go to.

Originally posted by lord xyz
No no no. I agree with nvironmental pollution and all that, but all this chaos and propoganda is by those who want to end capitalism. Just ask Patrick Moore, the co-founder of greenpeace. He's probably the best person to go to.

I don't think people want to "end" capitalism, but there is a lot of bullshit getting spewed from these big boy companies who could prevent pollution easily but it just cost a little more. They won't be at a deficit but the top guns don't want to let a few million out of their pockets as if it would really hurt them any.

Example: Risk assessments are just mathematical jargon that in PR terms can be paraphrased as the following: "Hmmm, how many people am I willing to harm before I stop this?"

Originally posted by chithappens
I don't think people want to "end" capitalism, but there is a lot of bullshit getting spewed from these big boy companies who could prevent pollution easily but it just cost a little more. They won't be at a deficit but the top guns don't want to let a few million out of their pockets as if it would really hurt them any.

Example: Risk assessments are just mathematical jargon that in PR terms can be paraphrased as the following: "Hmmm, how many people am I willing to harm before I stop this?" I think there are more deaths from water than industrial pollution.

Originally posted by lord xyz
I think there are more deaths from water than industrial pollution.

And what point are you trying to make?

Originally posted by KharmaDog
And what point are you trying to make? That environmental protection isn't that big of a deal as it seems. Yes, I agree that we should look after it, but not to the point where we lose a million pounds to save a flower. Tony Blair for one was very eager to spread the use of wind power, but once he got in power, he saw that it was more beneficial to stick with coal and oil.

Originally posted by lord xyz
but not to the point where we lose a million pounds to save a flower.

Try to think big picture here.

Originally posted by lord xyz
Tony Blair for one was very eager to spread the use of wind power, but once he got in power, he saw that it was more beneficial to stick with coal and oil.

O.K., this should read, Tony Blair for one was very eager to spread the use of wind power, but once he got in power, he saw that it was more financially beneficial to stick with coal and oil.

Originally posted by KharmaDog
Try to think big picture here.



O.K., this should read, Tony Blair for one was very eager to spread the use of wind power, but once he got in power, he saw that it was more financially beneficial to stick with coal and oil. The big picture is what? We wasted all that money for something people won't even notice?

Yes, Tony loves money, but he realised that saving the environment wasn't as important as he thought. Or he just used the environment as an excuse to get into power. I mean what do I know?

Originally posted by lord xyz
The big picture is what? We wasted all that money for something people won't even notice?

So we should cut down all the forests to make more houses? We should burn fossil fuels as much as possible?


Originally posted by lord xyz
Yes, Tony loves money, but he realised that saving the environment wasn't as important as he thought. Or he just used the environment as an excuse to get into power.

Do you honestly believe that the environment is unimportant? or that trying to preserve or save the environment or wildlife is foolish?

It's times like this I wish I had some magic fairy dust to make people actually "read" what they say.

Im so glad that the global warming farce has finally started to become realized by the general public. I have been telling people this for the last five years, but have been viewed as "one of those" Now they are "one of those" i feel so damn good. It's even more mind boggeling however, how some people when faced with facts still believe that the planet has a tempeture that we caused

Originally posted by KharmaDog
So we should cut down all the forests to make more houses? We should burn fossil fuels as much as possible?




Do you honestly believe that the environment is unimportant? or that trying to preserve or save the environment or wildlife is foolish? Okay, forests and fossil fuels are natural and don't go away as fast as you might think. We've been cutting down trees since before gold was discovered. There are more today than there were in 1920. When a tree is cut down, another is planted in it's place. Do you really think industries are going to wipe out trees off the Earth?

No, I'm just saying it's not as bad as people may think.

we have it in our power to stop this stuff. but the people in power dont want it so

Originally posted by lord xyz
Okay, forests and fossil fuels are natural and don't go away as fast as you might think.

I tend to believe that they don't grow back as fast as you think.

Originally posted by lord xyz
We've been cutting down trees since before gold was discovered.

Hence the reason why we're in such a f*ckin' mess right now.

Originally posted by lord xyz
There are more today than there were in 1920.

Please tell me where you got that stat from. Have you seen the amazon lately? It's not in good shape. In canada we have massive areas that have been clearcutted and they ain't growing back in a few years, maybe in a few hundred.


Originally posted by lord xyz
When a tree is cut down, another is planted in it's place.

O.k. Now you're buying into some one's propaganda. I suggest you talk to the university kids who do the majority of the tree planting and they will tell you that more than 80 percent of the trees that are planted incorrectly and of those that are planted correctly not even close to 1/2 are gong to make it their first year.

Not to mention that the trees that they are replacing with 6 inch planters are being planted in clear cuts that are not the proper environment for such trees. Smaller trees grow with larger ones around them which offer protection, not in clear cuts.

Originally posted by lord xyz
Do you really think industries are going to wipe out trees off the Earth?

I suggest you read more about the logging (or other ) industries and their effect on Canada's northwest coast. Industry is not interested in longterm future, but short term gain.

Where are you from by the way, and do you spend much time in the outdoors?

Originally posted by Deano
I saw a rare piece of outstanding journalism last night with a documentary on the UK's Channel 4 that demolished the official story of global warming with scientists who exposed the lies peddled by the scientific establishment and the intimidation of those who refuse to support the official line.

As I said in my newsletter two weeks ago, global warming is caused by changes going on with the SUN. The claims about carbon dioxide are part of a gigantic fraud to impose more taxaxtion and control.

VIDEO OF THE UK CHANNEL 4 DEMOLITION OF THE CARBON DIOXIDE-CAUSES-GLOBAL WARMING HOAX.

AN ABSOLUTELY MUST WATCH

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=9005566792811497638&q=global%2Bwarming%2Bswindle
...................
Green Groups Grumble Over Film Questioning Global Warming

Well, think of all the money they would lose when people realise that carbon-caused warming is a con)

http://www.crosswalk.com/news/11531333/
...........

Guardian Environment Correspondent Condemns The Great Global Warming Swindle Documentary But Then Says He Never Watched It!

{'For a man in his position not to have watched a demolition of the carbon-dioxide-causes-global-warming lie that he perpetuates every day is a disgrace and shows that he and his like are not to be taken seriously. Here is a man far more interested in justifying his own existence than researching the truth.' }

http://commentisfree.guardian.co.uk/david_adam/2007/03/envirocon.html

Meanwhile in Cuckoo Land ...

'The Conservatives are planning a series of new environmental taxes on flights aimed at combating climate change. The party will publish a consultation document on Sunday asking people for their views on various proposals. The proposals include levying VAT or fuel duty on domestic flights and a green air miles scheme.'

Pinch me I'm dreaming ... 'ouch!' ... no I'm not.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/6438685.stm
Very interesting vids. I never bought into Global Warming so it is nice to see that there are scientists and people in the media with similar viewpoints. That said I still would like to see less pollution in out air, water and soil.

Originally posted by KharmaDog
I tend to believe that they don't grow back as fast as you think. But there are so many trees, by the time we're at the last tree, more than half of the others will have grown back.

Originally posted by KharmaDog
Hence the reason why we're in such a f*ckin' mess right now. I don't think so.

Originally posted by KharmaDog
Please tell me where you got that stat from. http://www.hpva.org/products/facts.asp

Originally posted by KharmaDog
Have you seen the amazon lately? It's not in good shape. In canada we have massive areas that have been clearcutted and they ain't growing back in a few years, maybe in a few hundred. Yeah, that's from poor people using the trees to house their families and friends. Otherwise, they would starve.

Originally posted by KharmaDog
O.k. Now you're buying into some one's propaganda. I suggest you talk to the university kids who do the majority of the tree planting and they will tell you that more than 80 percent of the trees that are planted incorrectly and of those that are planted correctly not even close to 1/2 are gong to make it their first year.

Not to mention that the trees that they are replacing with 6 inch planters are being planted in clear cuts that are not the proper environment for such trees. Smaller trees grow with larger ones around them which offer protection, not in clear cuts. Propoganda? Well, that's debatable, but you must have heard this from someone else, because I've heard it many times.

Originally posted by KharmaDog
I suggest you read more about the logging (or other ) industries and their effect on Canada's northwest coast. Industry is not interested in longterm future, but short term gain.

Where are you from by the way, and do you spend much time in the outdoors? Trees might be lost in Canada, but that's not the end of the world.

More info about logging: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Logging

Incase you think it's so horrible for the environment.

Originally posted by lord xyz
But there are so many trees, by the time we're at the last tree, more than half of the others will have grown back.

As much as I like you, I refuse to debate agains such insane logic as this.

http://www.hpva.org/products/facts.asp

You actually think that a website who's mission statement is"
to promote and support the use of high quality, environmentally sound, decorative wood products manufactured in North America," is not at all biased?

Originally posted by lord xyz
Yeah, that's from poor people using the trees to house their families and friends.

Holy sh*t dude? Are you serious? It's because of clear cut logging for lumber, increasing farm land and strip mining. (but mostly the lumber for export) Poor people can't afford major heavy machinery to cut down 100 foot tall trees.

Originally posted by lord xyz
Propoganda? Well, that's debatable, but you must have heard this from someone else, because I've heard it many times.

I've heard it from both people who planted trees through University and my brother-in-law who works for the ministry of the envirnoment in Alberta.

Originally posted by lord xyz
Trees might be lost in Canada, but that's not the end of the world.

First I'll say that that is a ridiculously ignorant comment. Second, Trees are being cut down at an alarming rate world wide. Great Britain used to be a forrested island over 1000 years ago...why have all those trees not grown back?

Originally posted by lord xyz
Incase you think it's so horrible for the environment.

Logging and proper forrestry practises are not bad for the environment. Industrial clearcutting and forrest, slash and burn clearing and forrest mismanagement is bad for the environment.

Originally posted by KharmaDog
As much as I like you, I refuse to debate agains such insane logic as this.

http://www.hpva.org/products/facts.asp

You actually think that a website who's mission statement is"
to promote and support the use of high quality, environmentally sound, decorative wood products manufactured in North America," is not at all biased? Unlike anti-capitalists, right?

Originally posted by KharmaDog
Holy sh*t dude? Are you serious? It's because of clear cut logging for lumber, increasing farm land and strip mining. (but mostly the lumber for export) Poor people can't afford major heavy machinery to cut down 100 foot tall trees. Don't yell at me, those are the words of Patrick Moore.

Originally posted by KharmaDog
I've heard it from both people who planted trees through University and my brother-in-law who works for the ministry of the envirnoment in Alberta. Good for you.

Originally posted by KharmaDog
First I'll say that that is a ridiculously ignorant comment. Second, Trees are being cut down at an alarming rate world wide. Great Britain used to be a forrested island over 1000 years ago...why have all those trees not grown back? That was before they were re-grown because back then, people weren't as smart as they are now.

Originally posted by KharmaDog
Logging and proper forrestry practises are not bad for the environment. Industrial clearcutting and forrest, slash and burn clearing and forrest mismanagement is bad for the environment. Yes, and I keep telling you that these companies are doing the former, not the latter, as far as I know.

Interesting discussion between xyz and Kharma. Siding with xyz for the most part. He's not being anti-environmentalist....simply not extreme environmentalist either.

Global warming is bullocks. But that doesn't mean we can ignore all environmental concerns just because global warming has taken center stage in the media recently. Just that it requires a healthy bit of temperance in these things. Both extremes are usually wrong....in anything.

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Anyway, I try to tell people about global warming. They don't listen, don't care, or (usually) simply don't believe me ("What about Al Gore...?". Then I try to get them to watch the movie. Too lazy. Apathy is frustrating.

Originally posted by DigiMark007
Interesting discussion between xyz and Kharma. Siding with xyz for the most part. He's not being anti-environmentalist....simply not extreme environmentalist either.

Global warming is bullocks. But that doesn't mean we can ignore all environmental concerns just because global warming has taken center stage in the media recently. Just that it requires a healthy bit of temperance in these things. Both extremes are usually wrong....in anything.

...

Anyway, I try to tell people about global warming. They don't listen, don't care, or (usually) simply don't believe me ("What about Al Gore...?". Then I try to get them to watch the movie. Too lazy. Apathy is frustrating. Yes, there is a book by Bjorn Lomborg called "The Skeptical Environmentalist". http://www.lomborg.com/ Lomborg also appeared on the Penn and Teller: Bullshit episode about environmental hysteria, he said some good points, and I would probably read his book if I had the time and effort.

Global Warming - the most efficient PRS so far?

PROBLEM: Global warming caused by humans.

REACTION: Melting polar ice! How terrible! This can't go on. Something must be done. What are THEY going to do about it?!

SOLUTION:

One tax to rule them all
One tax to find them
One tax to bring them all
And in the darkness bind them

thats what the controllers want?

Originally posted by Deano
Global Warming - the most efficient PRS so far?

PROBLEM: Global warming caused by humans.

REACTION: Melting polar ice! How terrible! This can't go on. Something must be done. What are THEY going to do about it?!

SOLUTION:

One tax to rule them all
One tax to find them
One tax to bring them all
And in the darkness bind them

thats what the controllers want? Hey, don't lose it here.