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My favourite Spider-Man villain when I was a kid!


Here are some quotes from the Kinpin.

"This is no game, I assure you."

"I have waited for this for some time!"

"There is no profit to be made in the destruction of the planet."

"Peter Parker. It is so good to see you looking so ... healthy."

"This is only a temporary set-back."

"Where is the other one?" DD: "Right here, Kingpin! And the name's...DareDevil!"


In the animated series, he was voiced by a black actor, which is funny, because Kingpin would be later on potrayed by another black actor in the Daredevil movie, Michael Clarke Duncan.

I really hope MCD gets to play Kingpin in a future Spidey movie. I'd love to see Tobey Maguire looking up at him.

Great thread Digi. Fatboy got hops. I seriously had no idea he was that strong.

Ash, if those quotes are supposed to link to something, they aren't working. Regardless, thanks for posting them.

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And this made me smile...
Originally posted by TricksterPriest
I seriously had no idea he was that strong.
...very few actually realize how much of a beast he was. I wish I had that other Cap scan to put it all in perspective. Unbelievable or not, KP is well beyond peak human, probably even pushing 10-tons, since he consistently punked Classic Spidey.

Currently, Kingpin doesn't fight as much, is written less fat, and not as physically powerful. So this is mainly "Classic" Kingpin, since current seems a lot more depowered by comparison.

He drops out of the "fighting scene" in the 90's (all of the feats here are from earlier) and Marvel decided to make him the schemer type, rather than a guy who actually gets his hands dirty. So anymore, the KP >> Cap assessment probably isn't true. But up until maybe the early 90's, it definitely was.

Originally posted by DigiMark007


Ash, if those quotes are supposed to link to something, they aren't working. Regardless, thanks for posting them.

They arn't?

Odd. They work for me.

Dammit. Wasnt there already a Knigpin Respect thread? I know there was but the search function is trash. Arrrggg. Ill try to see what i can dig up.

Heres the resp of the Cap fight Digi..

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Cap is lucky Falcon saves his ass.

Originally posted by jrodslam
Heres the resp of the Cap fight Digi..

http://img404.imageshack.us/img404/8701/kpvc02js5.th.jpghttp://img263.imageshack.us/img263/9385/kpvc03tg6.th.jpg

Cap is lucky Falcon saves his ass.

kingpin is lex x10

Combat wise? Yep. Intelligence and planning? Debatable. But I'd give Lex the nod over Kingpin personally, in that department.

Originally posted by DigiMark007
...very few actually realize how much of a beast he was. I wish I had that other Cap scan to put it all in perspective. Unbelievable or not, KP is well beyond peak human, probably even pushing 10-tons, since he consistently punked Classic Spidey.

I remember him doing things well above even 10 tons in the Spiderman animated series from the nineties.

Fisk is kinda cool I guess,

Here is Kingpin training in Japan. He beats 8 black and red belts in 17 seconds. He stated it was to easy and that next time the numbers should be doubles and more weapons should be added. Note that some already had weapons.

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Matt struggles to move a vault door with 2 hands while Kingpin easily does it with 1.

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Kingpin beats DD.

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Fisk squeezes a guys head and kills him.

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Ah, Silver Age Kingpin...guy who was above Spider-Man in strength and could take down Cap. Those were the times...

I fear I don't own Born Again but the Kingpin utterly owns Daredevil in that if anyone has it

Ultimate Kingpin quickly owns Shang Chi

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Originally posted by DarkCrawler
Ah, Silver Age Kingpin...guy who was above Spider-Man in strength and could take down Cap. Those were the times...

Indeed. Reading through all my old Spidey comics, I gained an incredible amount of respect for him.

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Originally posted by jrodslam
Dammit. Wasnt there already a Knigpin Respect thread? I know there was but the search function is trash. Arrrggg. Ill try to see what i can dig up.

Maybe, but mine's better.



Anyway, thanks for all the additions jrod.

Here Kingpin shows his asility and jumps from a chopper to the Statue of Liberty. Notice how when KP comes through the opening, he bent/broke the metal that was inbetween the spaces to fit. It was intact when he first got to it.

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Stalemates Batman.

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Holy crap....totally sweet stuff!

Though I suppose stalemating Batman is actually a poor showing for him ( to all Batman fans).

Kingpin fighting.

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And another Kingpin fight.

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Kingpin vs. The Red Skull

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Wow. Kingpin is the human answer to Thanos.

Originally posted by DigiMark007
Holy crap....totally sweet stuff!

Though I suppose stalemating Batman is actually a poor showing for him ( to all Batman fans).

I like how Kingpin got away there at the end. Makes me want to see more Batman and Kingpin!

"human answer to Thanos." Excellent description Ash.

Even though this is a pretty old thread I thought I'd contribute something that had been mentioned but not posted. In Daredevil: Born Again, Matt Murdock goes to exact revenge on Fisk for effectively taking his life away. Despite the fact that Murdock was evidently not in his right mind at the time of the fight, it is still a good showing for the Kingpin. He withstands some vicious blows from Matt, and then takes him out.

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Anyone have a guess as to how much KingPin's empire was worth financially at it's best? I'd probably say low billions or high millions.

Originally posted by Etrigan

http://img518.imageshack.us/img518/9671/mattownedsq1.jpg

Ouch! Its like I could feel those last panels.

Punisher Vol.2 18

Punisher takes on the Kingpin, notice punisher pulls a knife at the start of the fight but Kingpin still takes him down rather easily.

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Lol ive got that issue, i was hoping that would never surface. NOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!

wait one...so Kingpin DOES have superhuman strength? up to now it was implied he only had peak human strenght

so Kingpin is a mutant then? what are his other powers ? (aside superstrength)

Originally posted by SoulDevourer
wait one...so Kingpin DOES have superhuman strength? up to now it was implied he only had peak human strenght

so Kingpin is a mutant then? what are his other powers ? (aside superstrength)

With KP it's about eras. Technically, all of his feats are in continuity, but he's currently written FAR below the power levels that he used to have. There's no clear distinction between current KP and "classic" KP, but it happened some time in the late 80's or early 90's, when writers stopped writing him as a brawler and made him more of a schemer.

So currently, no, he's nowhere near superhuman. Peak human, perhaps. But he's just a buff crime boss. Classic Kingpin, however, was indeed both peak human and beyond. Physically overpowering Spider-Man in any era is at least a Class 10 feat.

Detractors like to say that Spidey didn't have defined strength levels in his early years, but he had feats that could be considered not just Cl. 10 but Class 50+ as early as ASM #33, well before KP's first appearance, so that excuse is a poor one, and also doesn't account for Fisk handing Cap, DD, Punisher, etc. etc. their asses as well, and things like bending steel.

So he's not a mutant. He's just a freakishly powerful human. Doesn't make sense? Welcome to comics. But that's only for classic KP. Current KP would get whupped by any high or mid street-leveler, most likely.

Originally posted by Digi


So he's not a mutant. He's just a freakishly powerful human. Doesn't make sense?

Yeah it does, hes an extraordinary human, ts kinda how Emma explained how Reed could do what he does and still not be a mutant.

Its kinda like how some humans have photographic memory or are savantes, except KP has strength.

If I had a scanner that worked I'd scan his new handbook bio. It says he has peak human strength. It also says that the reason he was able to hang with Spiderman was because Spidey always held back when taking on non superpowred beings for fear of taking a human life and the fact that Kingpin used his skills and agility also.

Originally posted by snoopdogg
If I had a scanner that worked I'd scan his new handbook bio. It says he has peak human strength. It also says that the reason he was able to hang with Spiderman was because Spidey always held back when taking on non superpowred beings for fear of taking a human life and the fact that Kingpin used his skills and agility also.

Ok but apparently Spiderman did ask KP if he was a mutant.

Originally posted by snoopdogg
If I had a scanner that worked I'd scan his new handbook bio. It says he has peak human strength. It also says that the reason he was able to hang with Spiderman was because Spidey always held back when taking on non superpowred beings for fear of taking a human life and the fact that Kingpin used his skills and agility also.

Could you take a photo?

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Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
Could you take a photo? I'll try. But I don't guarantee good quality because of the flash.

Originally posted by snoopdogg
If I had a scanner that worked I'd scan his new handbook bio. It says he has peak human strength. It also says that the reason he was able to hang with Spiderman was because Spidey always held back when taking on non superpowred beings for fear of taking a human life and the fact that Kingpin used his skills and agility also.

Which would be a retcon. Peak humans can't break steel bars, or do any number of things that classic KP did. Like I said, two different versions of him. Cureent and Classic. Acting like they are both the same is just Marvel sweeping the changes under the rug. Current is peak human. Classic was superhuman.

srug

Also, saying that classic KP was peak human strength originally but used his agility to match Spidey is retarded. Spidey's agility was his main asset, and we're meant to believe that he was physically overpowered because KP was quicker than him? That's the worst justification for a power-down I've ever heard. He was faster than someone with precognition, but not stronger even though he was clearly shown to be stronger than multiple peak humans and some superhumans. What a joke.

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Thank you!

Originally posted by Digi
Which would be a retcon. Peak humans can't break steel bars, or do any number of things that classic KP did EXACLY! besides even if a human did have this kinda strenght their bones would break first (unless classic KP has bones made of different substance but was still suppose to be only human? lol)


btw Captain America is also suppose to have peak human strength and yet classic KP beats the shit outa him. which means classic KP had to be a mutant & superstrenght was one of his powers

Originally posted by SoulDevourer
EXACLY! besides even if a human did have this kinda strenght their bones would break first (unless classic KP has bones made of different substance but was still suppose to be only human? lol)


btw Captain America is also suppose to have peak human strength and yet classic KP beats the shit outa him. which means classic KP had to be a mutant & superstrenght was one of his powers

Man, these are COMICS.

Captain America had dozens of feats of superhuman strength, yet it was officially stated that he couldn't lift more than 800 pounds (Marvel peak human's max limit).

Pre-Turbo Sabretooth officially could lift no more than 900 pounds (slight superhuman strength). And you know what? He KO'd Rogue with Miss Marvel's powers with a few blows.

Jigsaw w/o exoskeleton effortlessly broke Spider-Man's arm like a toothpick.

Black Panther pushed a huge boulder off the cliff.

Daredevil held his entire body weight with just two fingers.


Kingpin's not the only human in comics who has insane feats.

Yeah, out-strengthing Cap doesn't mean he's a mutant or some such. It means he was stronger than Cap during his "classic" era. It doesn't really need a further explanation than that.

Also, lulz at the bio. So a literal grapple where he was overpowering Spider-Man was due to his skill and "unusual quickness." Like I said, awful excuse for a retcon. They should just leave it be, because they dig themselves a hole with explanations like that which don't hold up to any kind of scrutinty.

Originally posted by SoulDevourer
EXACLY! besides even if a human did have this kinda strenght their bones would break first (unless classic KP has bones made of different substance but was still suppose to be only human? lol)


btw Captain America is also suppose to have peak human strength and yet classic KP beats the shit outa him. which means classic KP had to be a mutant & superstrenght was one of his powers

And that is exactly why personally I've never liked classic KP. At least Cap has the SSS to offer some justification as to how he can pull off the crazy stuff he does. What's clasic KP's justification?

"My body is mostly muscle."

Still, very good thread.

Anyone have the scans where he's in prison and he kills those 4 guys in the shower?

Originally posted by Digi
With KP it's about eras. Technically, all of his feats are in continuity, but he's currently written FAR below the power levels that he used to have. There's no clear distinction between current KP and "classic" KP, but it happened some time in the late 80's or early 90's, when writers stopped writing him as a brawler and made him more of a schemer. Has anybody beaten his @ss since then?

Will Power
Kingpin resist Purple Man attempt to control him
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Spider Woman V1 46

Strength

Spider Woman surprised by The Kingpins physical strength as moves a beam that must weigh a ton just as easy as she does.

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He leaves quite an impression on her.

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Training
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Strength

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Originally posted by noumenon
Anyone have a guess as to how much KingPin's empire was worth financially at it's best? I'd probably say low billions or high millions. high billions.

Peak kingpin had a stake in every criminal enterprise in the world and controlled several goverments including that of the US from the shadows.

Peak Kingpin was the most influential non superpowered human in the world.

he was worth billions at standard level. he made a % of every single dollar made in crime on the east cost, not to mention the money he made in his many legal ventures. he also had senators, judges, generals, etc in the palm of his hand

Digi,

Any chance you can restore the Classic fight you said Wilson would "roll" in? Pretty sure that's the fight from the storyline "Mission: Crush the Kingpin!" which I read years ago. A great showing of Kingpin's physical strength and ability to dominate even Spider-man, as you said, but all your links are now x-ed out vacancies.

If you can restore that to working order, great, if not, I understand.

Thank you for your time.

Originally posted by I-Drop
Has anybody beaten his @ss since then?
Spider-Man and Daredevil both nearly beat him to death, Echo shot him in the head, blinding him until he had brain surgery, his own lieutenants, lead by Sammy Silke and Richard Fisk stabbed him into a coma, Bullseye shot him point black in the knee with a shotgun, Lady Bullseye gave him a severe beating and cut and impaled him several times with a katana.

Wow. For the love of god, could you pretty please post some scans of DD almost beating him to death?

Originally posted by Drawingblood88
Wow. For the love of god, could you pretty please post some scans of DD almost beating him to death?

This is a respect thread...

Originally posted by Drawingblood88
Wow. For the love of god, could you pretty please post some scans of DD almost beating him to death?

That, my friend, would belong on the Daredevil respect thread.

All the scans have been swallowed up by imageshack. Reposting the scans again. Thanks to
Originally posted by Bad Ash231
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