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More than once I have seen people try to support their chosen conspiracy theory based on the interpretations of the writings or art history of said ancient by select minorities.

I encourage people who use these sources to study the sources themselves as opposed to just taking the word of those who also support your theories. If one chose to do that I believe you would better enrich both your understanding of history, and respect ancient cultures for what they were and what they did as opposed to a mythical portrayal of their knowledge or accomplishments.

I would also ask you to investigate the "so called experts" who have translated these texts and drawings for conspiracy sites. Investigate their training and credentials. I studied ancient cultures and art history for four years (and I continue to 15 years later) but I don't claim to be an expert. I am amused how many "experts" are out there and how often they seem to have no credentials whatsoever.

If aliens influenced ancient egyptian knowledge, I doubt they would have believed that "disease and death were not natural and inevitable, but caused by some malign influence which could use any agency, natural or invisible, and very often belonged to the invisible world..

If ancient cultures could predict the future, I would think that they would have been able to avoid (or at least foretold of) their own cultural demise.

If the atlantis of legend existed, how could such purported accurate records be kept of it's history, yet all it's technological wonders be lost? Or how could they just reappear now?

My point is, research isn't about just reading people who you already believe or just investigating information that already supports your predisposed beliefs, it's also investigating opposing ideas and most importantly researching the validity of your sources and the trail of breadcrumbs that brings them to thier final conclusions.

funny how thats something you NEVER do when people give you their resources to back up what their saying.anytime someone gives you the name of a book or ANY source where they got their information and how it documents everything they are talking about,you never bother to check it out and research it.You just go off and insult people and when people insult you back,you go and whine and act like an innocent victem.

you may have no problem getting Deano to take your bait but I dont play your childish game and take your bait anymore.

Originally posted by Mr Parker
funny how thats something you NEVER do when people give you their resources to back up what their saying.

Do you ever pay attention? There has been multiple times where I have researched and discredited Dean's and others' sources. Just because I don'e do it everytime does not lessen the point.

Originally posted by Mr Parker
anytime someone gives you the name of a book or ANY source where they got their information and how it documents everything they are talking about,you never bother to check it out and research it.

Rash generalization or inability to read any of my posts...we'll let the viewers decide.

Originally posted by Mr Parker
You just go off and insult people and when people insult you back,you go and whine and act like an innocent victem.

You do realize that that's all you do don't you? You have not contributed to any thread that you've participated in other than a cheerleader or troll. To make matters worse, when you insult someone you can't even be funny.

Originally posted by Mr Parker
you may have no problem getting Deano to take your bait but I dont play your childish game and take your bait anymore.

Uhhmmm...you do realized that I wasn't even trying to get your attention, and yet you jumped right into this thread and attacked me without even acknowledging anything about the thread's topic don't you? That's trolling? Am I going to have to report you? And aren't you supposed to be ignoring me?

Very Well Kharma.

If you are to take that stand, than I am also supposed to believe that you are willing to take the word on the MANY scientists who show evidence that such a Continent existed as well. About Atlantis that is.

Including many of the greats, like Plato, ect.

Also...I am supposed to believe that you are willing to accept that there is a major possibility that Atlantis existed, because you of all people wouldn't be so biased as to take one side of the issue permanently? Right? Without having looked into the issue for yourself? And instead of ONLY going on the word of the ones who believe it not to be true?

Also...if you look at Egyptian history, and if you look up the term Aha-Men-Ptah, you will see that they spoke very much about this place and called it their "First Heart of God", and also that there are many references to this place both within their own city of Egypt and in other places of the World as well.

There might be different legends around the World which speak about the same place but use a different name to describe it, but either way the legends still exist.

Originally posted by NuclearWinter
Including many of the greats, like Plato, ect.



Have you read Plato?


Originally posted by NuclearWinter
Also...I am supposed to believe that you are willing to accept that there is a major possibility that Atlantis existed, because you of all people wouldn't be so biased as to take one side of the issue permanently? Right? Without having looked into the issue for yourself? And instead of ONLY going on the word of the ones who believe it not to be true?

When I was a child I believed in the lost continent of atlantis. As I matured and educated myself, I came to the realization that an entire contintinent does not dissappear without a sign. I also realized that there may have been a small island that had a city on it that was a wealthy port and that it may have suffered a catastrpohe, and that that is most likely what the fable of atlantis grew from.

Originally posted by NuclearWinter
Also...if you look at Egyptian history, and if you look up the term Aha-Men-Ptah, you will see that they spoke very much about this place and called it their "First Heart of God", and also that there are many references to this place both within their own city of Egypt and in other places of the World as well.


Type "Aha-Men-Ptah" into google and you get 84 results. Of those 84, 4 are in English. Of those 4 in english:

-2 are from www.howtosurvive2012.com

-1 is from www.forumgarden.com on a forum, in a thread entitled," WW3 - New World Order - Pole Shift - Age of Peace (2006-2012)" (which I suspect you are involved in.

- 1 is from www.freedomsphoenix.com

Is this the balance of the base of your research?

Please find me other sources regarding this subject to investigate and I will gladly do so.

I bet you a million dollars I can find other results besides that.

Originally posted by NuclearWinter
I bet you a million dollars I can find other results besides that.

Wow, that's real mature. And how would you collect that million dollars? Grow up.

Seriously, you missed my point altogether. Google is a search engine that has millions of resource material, and that is what turned up.

It took me a few seconds and here are the results I pulled up for Aha-Men-Ptah (Atlantis).

http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/egipto/esp_egipto_colonia.htm - This one is in another language so it may not do you much good. lol.

http://www.howtosurvive2012.com/htm/laby_04.htm - Heres a good one. This guy is a scientist in Math.

There are more...but already I have proven you wrong.

Here is another that came up. An article on Excavations for Atlantis (Aha-Men-Ptah)

http://freedomsphoenix.com/Feature-Article.htm?InfoNo=005569

Originally posted by NuclearWinter
It took me a few seconds and here are the results I pulled up for Aha-Men-Ptah (Atlantis).

http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/egipto/esp_egipto_colonia.htm - This one is in another language so it may not do you much good. lol.

http://www.howtosurvive2012.com/htm/laby_04.htm - Heres a good one. This guy is a scientist in Math.

There are more...but already I have proven you wrong.

You just proved my point by posting a link that wasn't in english and posting another link that I referenced. Excellent work there Sherlock!

Alright I could find more indeed but I'm done playing games with you I have work to do. =)

Proving your point? I wiped your point clear off the map? Whatcha talkin bout?

Your point was that I couldn't find any other sources. And I found 3. One that you listed, ok, but I found more.

Point taken. Point broken.

Originally posted by NuclearWinter
Alright I could find more indeed but I'm done playing games with you I have work to do. =)

Bow out gracefully, that's it. But you first have to provide A source before you provide MORE.

The smilie face ads to your credibility too.

Look instead of having a little "schoolyard brawl" with you, I'm going to make one thing VERY clear to you Kharma.

The Ancient Atlanteans had 2,000 years to prepare for their Pole-Shift.

We have less than 6.

You do the math. Debates aren't going to help us at this point. It's literally do or die time now.

Originally posted by NuclearWinter
Proving your point? I wiped your point clear off the map? Whatcha talkin bout?

Your point was that I couldn't find any other sources. And I found 3. One that you listed, ok, but I found more.

Point taken. Point broken.

You posted from the limited number of options I gave you.. are you really that thick? I am embarrassed for having thought that you actually had something going on upstairs.

And I'll ask you something else. Say you're right, and it doesn't happen. Fine and dandy. Let's all celebrate over some wine and strippers. lol. A little hobby of mine. While I'm still single anyways.

Now let's say it does happen......

What then? What's your reasoning behind that possibility? Do you even have one? What the **** you plan to do? Sit and watch or spread the word?

Originally posted by NuclearWinter
Look instead of having a little "schoolyard brawl" with you, I'm going to make one thing VERY clear to you Kharma.

This is not a brawl, except for the fact that you are being angry and frustrated that your sources are proven to be absolutly lame.

That is what has been made clear.

Again your opinion doesn't mean JACK in this case Kharma.

Is your opinion going to save us from the Pole-Shift? lol.

I can see it now, (2009-2012 rolls around), and the Pole-Shift takes place.

Everybody is screaming and running around wildly.

Kharma Dog: Don't worry everybody, I have an opinion on the matter.

Originally posted by NuclearWinter
And I'll ask you something else. Say you're right, and it doesn't happen. Fine and dandy. Let's all celebrate over some wine and strippers. lol. A little hobby of mine. While I'm still single anyways.

Now let's say it does happen......

What then? What's your reasoning behind that possibility? Do you even have one? What the **** you plan to do? Sit and watch or spread the word?

What kind of dumbass logic is that?

By that logic I should be prepared for a jetliner crashing into my drivway? There's a mathematical possibility of that happening. In fact, it's a greater possibility than the theories that you've put forth.

Are you fricken' serious?!

Look Kharma all I'm saying is that I would love for you to be right, and that the Pole-Shift is not going to happen.

But if you don't at least consider the possibility that it IS going to happen, than you have already let down your peers by taking one position and not the other. And not weighing them both out or preparing for the worst. And also by bringing certain folks down with you and your ignorance.

You willing to accept that responsibility?

You claim you are a smart guy. And indeed you probably are. So use that for trying to figure out if it IS going to happen. Any monkey can get on a podium and look at a description of a Pole-Shift and shake it's head no.

But how many of those monkeys can go out and prove the possibility of it?

Not that you're a monkey. By any means. But that you have an ability to weigh out the other side as well do you not?

Originally posted by NuclearWinter
Look Kharma all I'm saying is that I would love for you to be right, and that the Pole-Shift is not going to happen.

That is not what you're saying at all.

Originally posted by NuclearWinter
But if you don't at least consider the possibility that it IS going to happen, than you have already let down your peers by taking one position and not the other.

Considered, and disregarded.

Originally posted by NuclearWinter
And not weighing them both out or preparing for the worst. And also by bringing certain folks down with you and your ignorance.

My ignorance? Holy crap. People are going to read this and laugh at you...and that is sad.

Originally posted by NuclearWinter
You willing to accept that responsibility?

Wow, when you put it that way...no. Stop with the dramatics and bullcrap.

Well in the end Kharma, only one of us is going to be accurate. I suppose.

If December 21, 2012 has rolled around, and there has been absolutely NO Pole-Shift of any kind. And the scientific community hasn't come to at least a unified conception of it by then, than you will be the "winner" of your self-created battle.

If it does happen. Thank God I tried to alert as many people as I could.

At least I'll be able to say that much.

i dont think atlantis was a continent at all, but headquarters for a certain group of people(probably aliens) on a lost continent called appalachia,

and i think there was some kind of catastrophe all those years ago as most cultures around the world tell of a time where there were great earth changes.



http://www.taroscopes.com/highwindowsarticles/shiva-holyspirit-ageofaquarius.html

Originally posted by Deano
i dont think atlantis was a continent at all, but headquarters for a certain group of people(probably aliens) on a lost continent called appalachia

And that is why we laugh and mock you.

lol. Deano...come on man. Even I find that pretty funny. Don't make me laugh along with Kharmadog, please. lol. But I'm finding it hard to restrain myself.

You are lucky I wasn't drinking something Brother! lol. It would have been all over the place.

Don't worry Deano. I still respect your Open Mind. You have that going for you, and it will take you way farther than a person who goes only off of what other people have said.

KharmaDog admitted that he himself USED to have an open mind when it came to Atlantis. But that he has now reverted to mainstream science on the subject.

You do not conform for the sake of conforming. And I respect that. You got alot of potential. Keep up the good work.

Originally posted by NuclearWinter
KharmaDog admitted that he himself USED to have an open mind when it came to Atlantis. But that he has now reverted to mainstream science on the subject.

Wow! That was so twisted that I have to laugh. Post my exact quote. I now understand your RESEARCH much better.

This is a childish and pathetic way to seem enlightened.

Because you are a coward, I will post it for you:

What you said I said: "KharmaDog admitted that he himself USED to have an open mind when it came to Atlantis. But that he has now reverted to mainstream science on the subject.

And what I actually said.

Originally posted by KharmaDog
When I was a child I believed in the lost continent of atlantis. As I matured and educated myself, I came to the realization that an entire contintinent does not dissappear without a sign. I also realized that there may have been a small island that had a city on it that was a wealthy port and that it may have suffered a catastrpohe, and that that is most likely what the fable of atlantis grew from.

Funny that conspiracists have to always resorts to shoddy sources, childish behaviour, twisting the words of other, twisting facts, and ignoring people and facts that logically counteract their ideas to prove their points.

You have shhown yourself to be worthy of no respect...good job!

Because I don't jump when you bark?

That makes me a coward?

Please dude. Your sick. lol. For real.

I'll reference you some help if you need it.

Let's see, people who believe they are God......

I'm just gonna take a stab in the dark here Kharma...but are you a HUGE fan of The Sims games?

Originally posted by NuclearWinter
Because I don't jump when you bark?
That makes me a coward?

No, because you have to rely on twisting words to try and save face.

Originally posted by NuclearWinter
I'm just gonna take a stab in the dark here Kharma...but are you a HUGE fan of The Sims games?

Wow, that is not even close to funny. Parker will laugh, but that will make it all the more unfunny.

Nobody is twisting your words Kharma.

I read your quote at least 4-5 times, and I still see what it looks like.

That when you were young, you had a broad and open mind. And as you got older, you conformed to society. Either out of fear, or something similar. But not based on logic at all. Because logic wasn't necessary when you were young. You were able to grasp a bigger concept.

So what happened to that ability?

Originally posted by NuclearWinter
Nobody is twisting your words Kharma.

Instead of debating you have to play games. That really strengthens your case


Originally posted by NuclearWinter
I read your quote at least 4-5 times, and I still see what it looks like.

Looks like? But what did I say. Do you know how stupid you look grasping at this straw. It's funny how when you are not posting the words of others you really do make yourself look stupid.

Originally posted by NuclearWinter
That when you were young, you had a broad and open mind. And as you got older, you conformed to society. Either out of fear, or something similar. But not based on logic at all. Because logic wasn't necessary when you were young. You were able to grasp a bigger concept.

Now it all makes sense. As the general population ages and matures, their ability to take in information, process it and come to a logical conlusion increases. You however, suffer from a reverse the process. Apparently you regress into a state of blind acceptance and suffer an inability to think.

You confuse having an open mind with being an functioning moron.

The concept of logic not being aplicable to youth is also moronic.

Originally posted by NuclearWinter
So what happened to that ability?

Apparently it was lost at the same time as my ability to suffer fools.

Originally posted by NuclearWinter
lol. Deano...come on man. Even I find that pretty funny. Don't make me laugh along with Kharmadog, please. lol. But I'm finding it hard to restrain myself.

You are lucky I wasn't drinking something Brother! lol. It would have been all over the place.

whats funny? my opinion is just as worthy as yours. your only going on what other people have said anyway.

and kharma, whats funny also?

Originally posted by KharmaDog
Because you are a coward, I will post it for you:


Funny that conspiracists have to always resorts to shoddy sources, childish behaviour, twisting the words of other, twisting facts, and ignoring people and facts that logically counteract their ideas to prove their points.

You have shhown yourself to be worthy of no respect...good job!

funny that you make this post because this post describes YOU to a tee.gotcha.

Originally posted by Mr Parker
funny that you make this post because this post describes YOU to a tee.gotcha.

With all the points and issues raised here, that's what you post? You are both a troll and an idiot. A bigger of which I know not what.

Originally posted by KharmaDog
Have you read Plato?

Type "Aha-Men-Ptah" into google and you get 84 results. Of those 84, 4 are in English. Of those 4 in english:

-2 are from www.howtosurvive2012.com

-1 is from www.forumgarden.com on a forum, in a thread entitled," WW3 - New World Order - Pole Shift - Age of Peace (2006-2012)" (which I suspect you are involved in.

- 1 is from www.freedomsphoenix.com

Is this the balance of the base of your research?

Please find me other sources regarding this subject to investigate and I will gladly do so.

Bravo!

Bravo?

Far from it.

Aha-Men-Ptah was the name the Ancient Egyptians used for Atlantis.

This is known fact. Proven by people WHO CAN READ HEIROGLYPHS.

Maurice Cotterell for example.

You cannot disprove their claims because you can not read Heiroglyphs. And neither can Kharma.

In fact, Kharma doesn't even know what Maurice Cotterell's profession is. He called him strictly a "Mathematician". This is false. He is a Scientist and an Engineer.

http://www.mauricecotterell.com/

Learn more about him. All you can do is try and disprove him as a credible person. Good luck with that because he has shown himself to be nothing but. And he isn't pushing an agenda. He's simply reporting his findings based on his own knowledge.

sigh... through the chaos shines a light and this light has to be me to stay on topic, now as it is true most conspiracy sights have little to no experts no doctrine holding professors unless this professor is... crazy, Atlantis is an incredible exaggeration, it was the center of an island, they had a base government and technology, no flying crafts no dooms day devices, they were Greek islanders, big deal, now deal with it, a volcano erupts and swallows the center of the island where it was, now to think the Greeks would have known of something in the pacific or Atlantic that was big enough to be a continent is way to far fetched Greek was Mediterranean sea area, the farthest they got was border of Persia, Africa and some of Italy, the island that atlantis which was constantly called a city looks like a crescent these days, and the center is filled with ash.

the pole-shift would have been showing signs for decades if it were to end the world in 2012, the thought you think that it will happen in 6 years makes me laugh to myself and cry to your ignorance, evolution taking place in humans has a higher chance of everything going to hell in only 6 years is ludicrous, we would have noticed a change like that already, and I'm not going to listen to some crazy Aztec writings that the world will end in 2012 when they've been wrong before and believed in 99 drunken rabbits, especially when the end of the world was 1999, especially an idea as insane as that taking place in a matter of months even, if it happens in our lifetime i will personally make out a check of 1 billion dollars to any organization group or charity that you hand pick.

research now is something we do to find the truth, it is as bias as religion which makes it flawed, to study something you must have eyes from all sides to avoid biases from anything such as your own mind, because truth is only found when you reveal every lie.

now to shed some light as to why Egyptians share stories of atlantis... the Greeks knew of Egypt and they even knew of the exodus of the Hebrews, the Egyptians have glyphs of the parting of the waters and the crushing of their men and the Greeks have carvings depicting it, also by calling someone a mathematician is very vague it can range from physics to engineering, so by calling an engineer a mathematician it is quite logical from a vague view on someone, it is the south American cultures that brought around the idea of 2012 ending of the world, with all bull shit theories they require people from everywhere to exaggerate and send out propaganda, Y2K was supposed to wipe out all computers and that didn't happen now did it?

science says evolution doesn't just happen it takes oh look BILLIONS of years, now if evolution is the same principle that can be placed on many other things, such as plate tectonics which took BILLIONS of years to complete itself into what we know the earth as today, then a spin of the poles is likely NOT to happen, also the plates aren't that perfectly aligned to just slice in half due to a force as weak as magnetism and gravity.

Also... to prove something in relation to greek or Latin from pictures, oh excuse me "holy writings" is quite easily spread out, also the idea of an island continent has already been thought of from the higher ups.... we call it Pangaea or Australia for more modern times, and a site that miss spells CIVILIZATIONS cannot be credible as an official site about...anything at all worth knowing nor can it be used to verify anything in any kind of rebuttal.

Originally posted by NuclearWinter
Aha-Men-Ptah was the name the Ancient Egyptians used for Atlantis.

This is known fact. Proven by people WHO CAN READ HEIROGLYPHS.

Funny Once again google "Aha-Men-Ptah" and the only references you will find in english are to conspiracy sites. And only 4 references in english at that!

So basically what you are saying is that this is a known fact but it cannot be referenced by a single know historian other than those found on :

www.howtosurvive2012.com

or

www.forumgarden.com

I, as well as others, find that ridiculous to believe.

Originally posted by NuclearWinter
You cannot disprove their claims because you can not read Heiroglyphs. And neither can Kharma.

By your logic, than that is something that you cannot prove because you cannot read Heiroglyphs. That is silly. I studied Art History From a professor of art history who could read Heiroglyphics, and this never came up. Nor has it appeared in any books about ancient egypt by all the historians previous to your one example of a man who is not a historian at all.

Originally posted by NuclearWinter
In fact, Kharma doesn't even know what Maurice Cotterell's profession is. He called him strictly a "Mathematician". This is false. He is a Scientist and an Engineer.

I welcome anyone to "google the man's name. A scientist maybe, an engineer and mathemitician admittedly. A historian, not even friken close.

Originally posted by NuclearWinter
Learn more about him. All you can do is try and disprove him as a credible person. Good luck with that because he has shown himself to be nothing but.

There is a reason why few support his theories, because they are tripe.

Originally posted by NuclearWinter
And he isn't pushing an agenda. He's simply reporting his findings based on his own knowledge.

Not pushing an agenda? Who makes the money made from the books that he publishes?

Originally posted by KharmaDog
More than once I have seen people try to support their chosen conspiracy theory based on the interpretations of the writings or art history of said ancient by select minorities.

I encourage people who use these sources to study the sources themselves as opposed to just taking the word of those who also support your theories. If one chose to do that I believe you would better enrich both your understanding of history, and respect ancient cultures for what they were and what they did as opposed to a mythical portrayal of their knowledge or accomplishments.

I would also ask you to investigate the "so called experts" who have translated these texts and drawings for conspiracy sites. Investigate their training and credentials. I studied ancient cultures and art history for four years (and I continue to 15 years later) but I don't claim to be an expert. I am amused how many "experts" are out there and how often they seem to have no credentials whatsoever.

If aliens influenced ancient egyptian knowledge, I doubt they would have believed that "disease and death were not natural and inevitable, but caused by some malign influence which could use any agency, natural or invisible, and very often belonged to the invisible world..

If ancient cultures could predict the future, I would think that they would have been able to avoid (or at least foretold of) their own cultural demise.

If the atlantis of legend existed, how could such purported accurate records be kept of it's history, yet all it's technological wonders be lost? Or how could they just reappear now?

My point is, research isn't about just reading people who you already believe or just investigating information that already supports your predisposed beliefs, it's also investigating opposing ideas and most importantly researching the validity of your sources and the trail of breadcrumbs that brings them to thier final conclusions. When I look at websites like www.tvneslies.org and www.whatreallyhappened.com I study their "facts" and I see that tvnewslies are biased and although they have facts, they also have propoganda. whatreallyhappened however is more reliable and less biased, and I use that when I investigate and stuff. But not like deano uses infowars.com

Originally posted by KharmaDog
Funny Once again google "Aha-Men-Ptah" and the only references you will find in english are to conspiracy sites. And only 4 references in english at that!

I have also tried with a series of search engines. Here are my results.

Ask
http://uk.ask.com/web?q=Aha-Men-Ptah&qsrc=0&o=312&l=dir&dm=all

Yahoo
http://uk.search.yahoo.com/search?p=Aha-Men-Ptah&fr=yfp-t-501&ei=UTF-8&meta=vc%3D

Windows Live Search
http://search.live.com/results.aspx?q=Aha-Men-Ptah&mkt=en-gb&FORM=LVCP&go.x=12&go.y=9

Now, common results
www.howtosurvive2012.com
www.tesco.com/books/fiction
www.amazon.co.uk
www.electrobel.be/muzik/5731/aha_men_ptah
www.killermovies.com/forums/415480_54-world-war-3-new-world-order
www.bibliotecapleyades.net/

All these sites kept comming up, I'm sorry but they are a musicians band, book retailers, conspiracy sites or our very own KMC.

Originally posted by Grand_Moff_Gav
I have also tried with a series of search engines. Here are my results.

Ask
http://uk.ask.com/web?q=Aha-Men-Ptah&qsrc=0&o=312&l=dir&dm=all

Yahoo
http://uk.search.yahoo.com/search?p=Aha-Men-Ptah&fr=yfp-t-501&ei=UTF-8&meta=vc%3D

Windows Live Search
http://search.live.com/results.aspx?q=Aha-Men-Ptah&mkt=en-gb&FORM=LVCP&go.x=12&go.y=9

Now, common results
www.howtosurvive2012.com
www.tesco.com/books/fiction
www.amazon.co.uk
www.electrobel.be/muzik/5731/aha_men_ptah
www.killermovies.com/forums/415480_54-world-war-3-new-world-order
www.bibliotecapleyades.net/

All these sites kept comming up, I'm sorry but they are a musicians band, book retailers, conspiracy sites or our very own KMC.

Well, we could argue all day about a name. But no name is as important as what it represents.

Exactly! So, now we have broken down your barrier...open up, tell us about the real NuclearWinter

How about I stay on my path, and you stay on yours? And we'll both continue to grow.

Originally posted by NuclearWinter
How about I stay on my path, and you stay on yours? And we'll both continue to grow.

Ahh so you have something to hide...interesting that...what are you hiding from us? Seeing as I don't know your name may I call you Nuke? A sort of nickname.

Originally posted by Grand_Moff_Gav
Ahh so you have something to hide...interesting that...what are you hiding from us? Seeing as I don't know your name may I call you Nuke? A sort of nickname.
Have at it dawg.

So, Nuke, what you hiding?

Originally posted by Grand_Moff_Gav
So, Nuke, what you hiding? Nothing. He sacraficed his personality when joining these forums, just like the rest of us. ermm

Originally posted by NuclearWinter
Well, we could argue all day about a name. But no name is as important as what it represents.

We are not arguing a name. You stated:


But as a known fact, you think you'd be able to find it somewhere on the world wide web without referencing the aforementioned (and bogus) sites.

If it is an apparant fact, then why does either no one know about this or document this "fact". May I suggest because it is not a fact at all?

Originally posted by KharmaDog
May I suggest because it is not a fact at all?

You may suggest whatever you want. That doesn't make it true.

I'll go and do a search on the key words "Kharmadog's opinion" and see what I can dig up.

Most likely I will find 0 matches. lol. And so therefore Aha-Men-Ptah will be the winner.

Originally posted by KharmaDog
Now if you'll excuse me, I have to go finish listening to my Prince cd.
Have at it dawg. Don't let me stop you.

Originally posted by NuclearWinter
I'll go and do a search on the key words "Kharmadog's opinion" and see what I can dig up.

Most likely I will find 0 matches. lol. And so therefore Aha-Men-Ptah will be the winner.

If you are trying to make a point, you failed. It is not my opinon that the subject of your research is fraudulaunt. It's the stunning lack of evidence other than 4 conspiracy pages on the entire internet that make it seem so.

Originally posted by NuclearWinter
Have at it dawg. Don't let me stop you.

A second attempt at humor, and a second swing and a miss.

Interesting how you are trying to divert whatever attention you can against the main thrust of the argument. There is no evidence to what you claim as fact other than the writings of a mathematician/engineer whose works are ignored by the, seemingly entire, historical, anthropological and art historical communities.

Well again, I'll take 4 over 0 Kharma. Just my opinion though.

Originally posted by NuclearWinter
Well again, I'll take 4 over 0 Kharma. Just my opinion though.

First, you are equating the validitidy of your belief system against the frequecy of home many search results "Kharmadog's opinion" results in?

That says it all right there folks.


Secondly, if you type Kharmadog's opinion on google you get at least one result.

Originally posted by KharmaDog
First, you are equating the validitidy of your belief system against the frequecy of home many search results "Kharmadog's opinion" results in?

That says it all right there folks.


Secondly, if you type Kharmadog's opinion on google you get at least one result.


Now Kharma, what did we talked about before? Didn't we talked about playing nice with others? Are you being rude to these people? Apologize now, or i'm un-inviting you to my slumber party!!

Originally posted by KharmaDog
First, you are equating the validitidy of your belief system against the frequecy of home many search results "Kharmadog's opinion" results in?

That says it all right there folks.


Secondly, if you type Kharmadog's opinion on google you get at least one result.

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=Kharmadog%27s+opinion&btnG=Google+Search

Indeed!

Originally posted by J-Beowulf
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=Kharmadog%27s+opinion&btnG=Google+Search

Indeed!

There you go.

Originally posted by NuclearWinter
Well again, I'll take 4 over 0 Kharma. Just my opinion though.

In fact, if you click on the link that J-Beowulf provided you have 25 references to my opinon.

So if you thought you won at

Aha-Men-Ptah: 4 KharmaDog: 0

and that it was closer whn we showed that it was actually:

Aha-Men-Ptah: 4 KharmaDog: 1

I guess you now have to side with me now that it's:

KharmaDog: 25 Aha-Men-Ptah: 4

Originally posted by KharmaDog
There you go.



In fact, if you click on the link that J-Beowulf provided you have 25 references to my opinon.

So if you thought you won at

Aha-Men-Ptah: 4 KharmaDog: 0

and that it was closer whn we showed that it was actually:

Aha-Men-Ptah: 4 KharmaDog: 1

I guess you now have to side with me now that it's:

KharmaDog: 25 Aha-Men-Ptah: 4

lol. Alright KharmaDog I feel sorry for you so I'm going to let your supposed 25 result claim stand on it's own for now. After all, Kharmadog's opinion is something that many kids will be studying about in school for years to come.

However, just so you know, when I click on the link that J-Beo provided it still tells me that I get 0 results for your opinion.

But I can only cut a man down so far before I have to make sure he learned something from it and try and bring him back up. Unlike some people out there who do it for the pleasure.

Originally posted by NuclearWinter
However, just so you know, when I click on the link that J-Beo provided it still tells me that I get 0 results for your opinion.

I am willing to bet that others will disagree.

Well it's nice to know that you're a risk taker.

Originally posted by NuclearWinter
However, just so you know, when I click on the link that J-Beo provided it still tells me that I get 0 results for your opinion.

here is the link that J-Beo provided:

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=Kharmadog%27s+opinion&btnG=Google+Search

And when you click that link you get this.

http://www.boardtracker.com/cgi-bin/display_member.pl?board=318&member=22894

Not that it's important, it just shows tht you're wrong.

Originally posted by KharmaDog
here is the link that J-Beo provided:

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=Kharmadog%27s+opinion&btnG=Google+Search

And when you click that link you get this.

http://www.boardtracker.com/cgi-bin/display_member.pl?board=318&member=22894

Not that it's important, it just shows tht you're wrong.

No actually that's not what I get. This is what I get:


Your search - Kharmadog's opinion - did not match any documents.

Suggestions:
Make sure all words are spelled correctly.
Try different keywords.
Try more general keywords.
Try fewer keywords.

Originally posted by NuclearWinter
No actually that's not what I get. This is what I get:


Your search - Kharmadog's opinion - did not match any documents.

Suggestions:
Make sure all words are spelled correctly.
Try different keywords.
Try more general keywords.
Try fewer keywords.

I don't know what to tell you? There is clearly one result on Google search which then leads into 25 results.

So, you're basically wrong.

why is this being argued? idiots

Originally posted by Deano
why is this being argued? idiots

LMAO!! Hellz Yeah!!!! I think they're scared of nuclear so they decided to take another approach.

Originally posted by KharmaDog
First, you are equating the validitidy of your belief system against the frequecy of home many search results "Kharmadog's opinion" results in?

That says it all right there folks.


Secondly, if you type Kharmadog's opinion on google you get at least one result. Google Whack!

Originally posted by Deano
why is this being argued? idiots

Once again, you show that unless someone puts forth a thought for you to copy and paste, you have a limited ability to think on your own.

What is being discussed is Nuclear's resources and now his apparent inability to accept truth.

He made a claim and stated that it was a well known fact. I put forth evidence that it was not well known at all. Then he decided to try and insult his way out of looking foolish and ended up digging a deeper hole. Much like you do.

Originally posted by KharmaDog
Once again, you show that unless someone puts forth a thought for you to copy and paste, you have a limited ability to think on your own.

What is being discussed is Nuclear's resources and now his apparent inability to accept truth.

He made a claim and stated that it was a well known fact. I put forth evidence that it was not well known at all. Then he decided to try and insult his way out of looking foolish and ended up digging a deeper hole. Much like you do. I enjoy you humiliating Deano and co. so very much.

I was once in a very very very heated argument about how St. Paul was able to fund his trips across the east spreading the "good news" as the apostles put it.

The man I was debating with was very strongly behind the idea that Paul funded his own journeys by working as a carpenter, I was telling him that the evidence was clear that all the apostles were backed up by rich women. (this is pre-da vinci code) He refused to accept this, he had no evidence to support the idea that Paul was self-funded and when I asked him his backing he stated:

Originally posted by Grand_Moff_Gav
I was once in a very very very heated argument about how St. Paul was able to fund his trips across the east spreading the "good news" as the apostles put it.

The man I was debating with was very strongly behind the idea that Paul funded his own journeys by working as a carpenter, I was telling him that the evidence was clear that all the apostles were backed up by rich women. (this is pre-da vinci code) He refused to accept this, he had no evidence to support the idea that Paul was self-funded and when I asked him his backing he stated: We should revive the idiotic debating tactics thread and add "Using "common sense" to strengthen your ridiculous claim."

Haha, i think you should, I don't know where it is.

Originally posted by Grand_Moff_Gav
Haha, i think you should, I don't know where it is. I said we. ermm

Ok, then as a team.

You get the link to the thread, I post the so called tactic. The we laugh about it.

Originally posted by Grand_Moff_Gav
Ok, then as a team.

You get the link to the thread, I post the so called tactic. The we laugh about it.

Having myself done a little research about Aha men ptah and Ath ka ptah, i found something quite interesting and peculiar. There is a masonic lodge called the grand lodge of ath ka ptah. Google it and you will find it. Anyway, looks like the masons have something to do with it.

This thread provided me with some quality entertainment, Kharmadog owned Nuclearwinter but he kept coming back for more and failing every time haha damn this was great thank you.

Originally posted by Grand_Moff_Gav
Ok, then as a team.

You get the link to the thread, I post the so called tactic. The we laugh about it. I've done it now.

this thread was a good read.........

here's what I got out of it....

- Kharmadog suggested that before anybody believe anything they read on a website or any sort of biased medium, they themselves should check the credentials of those individuals making claims. He was then met with "well check out what this guys says, he's a scientist in math". Hmmm....#1....mathamatics is not a field of science, therefore, the entire claim of this man's credentials is absolute nonsense as the field of science he is supposed to be accredited in does not exist. #2......NuclearWinter, who posted this, never researched the false credentials given...the very topic this thread is about. He read something on someone's website that said he was accredited, never once finding a copy of this man's diploma or doctorite or affirming this accreditation through public records. Basicly, this guy's an expert.....see it says on his own page that he's an expert........now listen to what he says about the aliens who lived on atlantis who transversed the globe on unicorns.

- NuclearWinter also gives Plato as one of his sources. A person that in his own story says this story took place more than 9,000 years before he was even born, negating any first hand knowledge or research on the subject. Basicly, a report as reputable as any story I can make up about events happening in 7,000 B.C. Actually less reputable as Plato was never accreditted in anything......he never even attended a government acreddited university, making it impossible for him to have graduated with an accreditted degree or doctorite in any field, which I have done.

- a term was brought up by NuclearWinter that Kharmadog was not farmiliar with "Aha-Men-Ptah". In the interest of knowledge, Kharmadog then went about a search for this term via Google to find out about it. The only references returned were in other languages or on 4 English pages devoted to conspiracy, pole shift, alien anal probe type websites. When Kharmadog mentioned this, NuclearWinter responded that was not true.....then went on to give links to one of the non-English speaking websites and two of the conspiracy, pole shift, alien anal probe websites previously mentioned by Kharmadog. Never once giving a link to a reputable scientific agency or accreditted expert's research published in a reputable scientific medium.

that in mind, I have 2 questions for NuclearWinter.

1. You have apparently arrived at the conclusion that there is going to be a pole shift in the year 2012. Please give me the names of the reputable scientifc papers published in reputable scientific journals or links to the equivelants appearing in other accreditted scientific mediums. Can you please do this for me? Keep in mind....only accreditted scientific mediums, nothing that deals with conspiracy, paranormal, aliens or strictly pole shift. Surely something this huge would have atleast one or two papers published by Geological Society of America, Journal of Metamorphic Geology, etc. Hell....I'd even take something published by National Geographic magazine.

2. What are you going to do 5 years from now when nothing happens? you are a new poster here, how long do you plan on sticking around? I've been here over four years so any event I predicted (when I first began posting here) to occur in 5 years would be near fruition. I'll still be here in a year so people could laugh at me and eat a big plate of crow. Will you still be posting here in 2012 when nothing happens and you have to admit that all of the psychics and interdimensional mediums (I think that's what the chick on zetatalk.com said she is) were all bat-shit crazy attention seeking whores? Are you going to come into this forum and post, "okay guys.....you were right. There never was anything to it, I got caught up in believing internet conspiracy sites when I should have been reading accreditted scientific journals to get my scientific information."?

Well, he hasn't admitted he was wrong about Japan being destroyed in 06. He left for a while and hoped no one would remember.

Originally posted by lord xyz
Well, he hasn't admitted he was wrong about Japan being destroyed in 06. He left for a while and hoped no one would remember.

Please provide a link..I'm grudgingly curious.

I also await Nuclear's response to Evil Dead's post with great anticipation...and Parker's two sense with great dread.

I think Kharma's point is that if you are told not to believe the news media, and that everyone's lying, why do you so suductively believe conspiracy theories? It's ironic.
Originally posted by KharmaDog
Please provide a link..I'm grudgingly curious.

I also await Nuclear's response to Evil Dead's post with great anticipation...and Parker's two sense with great dread.
http://www.killermovies.com/forums/showthread.php?threadid=415480&pagenumber=77#post9414426

A few anecdotes that strengthen Kharma's points:

- James Randi, the world's foremost expert on Nostradamus, has shown extensive evidence that his writings were intended to discuss things in his own time and area of the world, not predictions about the end of the world and current political events. Apologists for ND attempts to skew his words and prophecies to continue to milk money out of the credulous public.

- The media is quick to jump on any bandwagon if it is a negative. Case in point: global warming and/or second-hand smoke laws.

First, global warming. We hear about the impending disaster, without realizing that there is a counter-argument and that everything might be fine. Now, I believe that there are environmental concerns linked to global warming, but the dissenters are stifled because the "crisis" sells better, and belief in an impending crisis has turned into a multi-billion dollar industry, from oil companies to political lobbyists and many in betweem. We are led to believe that the scientific debate is over when they never allowed it to begin in the first place. I saw an enlightening BBC documentary that exposes many of the tactics used by environmental groups to strong-arm the media and politicians into their agenda, and also how scienctific debate has been completely squelched by accusations of legitimate scientists being "in the pocket of the oil companies" if they disagree on scientific grounds. Sad.

As for second-hand smoke, I again realize I tread on sensitive ground because we've been led to believe in the horros of secondhand smoke. Smoking is bad for you. Very bad. Secondhand smoke can have affects as well. But it isn't nearly as harmful as is popularly believed, and to expose the truth would be a blow to the anti-tobacco lobbyists who are on the verge of criminalizing smoking in many places (see also: California). I'm speaking primarily to Sidney Zion's article in a recent issue of Skeptic magazine where he systematically shows how each prominent study in the last 30 years was either funded by anti-tobacco groups in order to push an agenda, or the results are selectively interpreted to make the correlation between secondhand smoke intake and health risks seem more alarming than they actually are. The ones that showed otherwise were accused of being biased, usually because tobacco companies were the only ones willing to publish them (even though they weren't funded by tobacco companies and were independently run).

Ever heard the phrase "a bartender smokes half a pack a night in secondhand smoke"? Probably a few of you have. But it's more like 6 cigarettes a year for an average bartending worker, because the chemical composition of secondhand smoke is far different than normal intake, and less dangerous. I'm guessing no one's ever heard that estimate, which is backed by an actual measure of carcinogenic intake, not heresay...and it's because studies that produce such findings never see the light of day.

....

These aren't conspiracies. They're documented tragedies that stifle true inquiry. And is case in point why we need to be skeptical of historical documents that are used to fuel a conspiracy as well as the media's coverage of controversial topics.

Kharma's destruction of NuclearWinter made me happy.

Originally posted by Captain REX
Kharma's destruction of NuclearWinter made me happy.

If I have made only one person happy...then I feel that I have done some good.



























And it sure as sh*t made me laugh abit too

Originally posted by Captain REX
Kharma's destruction of NuclearWinter made me happy. I think I deserve more credit than Kharma to be honest, as it was my responce to his stupid Age of peace thread that made him leave.

Originally posted by lord xyz
I think I deserve more credit than Kharma to be honest

But you'd be wrong.

Neg.