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Fight on. They are both RoTS.

They enter the same place where Revan and Malak fought. Malak gets no Star Forge enhanced powers though.

I'd actually put Obi-Wan JUST beneath Malak in terms of skill. Adding Fisto is over kill.

Support of Star Forge is not even necessary because Malak was naturally strong in the Force and his Force Mastery is leagues above that of Obi-Wan and Kit Fisto. Malak is also young and physically stronger then these two people.

Malak was indeed a master swordsman and he used Juyo in combat, since he was an aggressive fighter.

Malak can defeat both Obi-Wan and Kit Fisto with his Force Mastery easily. But if it comes down to pure saber dueling, Obi-Wan can hold on his own but Kit Fisto will be in trouble.

I think that Malak can win.

why would kit be in trouble if both of them send an endless barrage of lightsaber strikes? malak will have to keep blocking.

Malak however may unleash a force attack during a saber lock but doing so lowers his guard

Originally posted by Kadesh
why would kit be in trouble if both of them send an endless barrage of lightsaber strikes? malak will have to keep blocking.

Malak however may unleash a force attack during a saber lock but doing so lowers his guard
Malak's armor was strong enough to counter Saber strikes to some extent. Malak showed this during his fight on leviathan when he countered a Light Saber thrown at him by Bastilla through his armor.

Now of-course his armor would possibly have weak points but we are not sure of this. And Malak was capable enough to unleash Force attacks on Revan on Leviathan. And Revan is more powerful then Obi-Wan and Kit Fisto. I don't see these two winning.

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
Malak's armor was strong enough to counter Saber strikes to some extent. Malak showed this during his fight on leviathan when he countered a Light Saber thrown at him by Bastilla through his armor.
Where was it canonically stated that malaks armour can counter saber strikes? One thing for sure, if his armour can really block out strikes it should be made of either of these materials
1)orbalisks
2)mandalorian iron
3)darth vaders chest armour
4)cortosis
5)enhanced with sith alchemy

Now let me explain. Firstly we do know he is not wearing orbalisks because it is painfully obvious. Secondly it is impossible to make mandalorian iron into armour(you encounter mandalorian armour in DLOTS). Why because if it could be casted into armour, by the time of kotor, the mandalorians should have been able to wear it correct? Yet still lightsabers cut through the soldiers indicating that their armour is not made of mandolorian armour which can deflect lightsabers

Thirdly vaders chest armour does deflect saber strikes, note thats only his chest armour according to what we saw in TESB and during the kotor time, i doubt that the material from vaders armour was even invented yet and by the way it restricts movements

Lastly cortosis cannot be made into armour, not until the PT era that is according to what has been said in the cut scenes of the game "star wars obi wan" And i highly doubt malak knows sith alchemy to enhance his armour

Originally posted by Kadesh
Where was it canonically stated that malaks armour can counter saber strikes?
Canonically this is not stated but Malak's armor successfully deflected a Light Saber Throw attack from Bastilla. This happened when Malak was about to strike Revan. I made my point based on this action.

Originally posted by Kadesh
One thing for sure, if his armour can really block out strikes it should be made of either of these materials
1)orbalisks
2)mandalorian iron
3)darth vaders chest armour
4)cortosis
5)enhanced with sith alchemy
I am not sure that what his body armor is made of actually.

Originally posted by Kadesh
Now let me explain. Firstly we do know he is not wearing orbalisks because it is painfully obvious. Secondly it is impossible to make mandalorian iron into armour (you encounter mandalorian armour in DLOTS). Why because if it could be casted into armour, by the time of kotor, the mandalorians should have been able to wear it correct? Yet still lightsabers cut through the soldiers indicating that their armour is not made of mandolorian armour which can deflect lightsabers
Was Mandalorian Armor never made during OLD Republic era?

I remember that armor of Cassus Fett was available for sale in Dantooine perhaps. That was a Mandalorian armor. So there is a high possibility that Mandalorian armor were created during OLD Republic era.

Originally posted by Kadesh
Thirdly vaders chest armour does deflect saber strikes, note thats only his chest armour according to what we saw in TESB and during the kotor time, i doubt that the material from vaders armour was even invented yet and by the way it restricts movements
Malak's armor also demonstrated such level of durability. Now whether his armor might have some weak points or not is questionable.

Originally posted by Kadesh
Lastly cortosis cannot be made into armour, not until the PT era that is according to what has been said in the cut scenes of the game "star wars obi wan" And i highly doubt malak knows sith alchemy to enhance his armour
We can't assume that Malak and Revan did not knew about Sith Alchemy. There is a high possibility that they studied or practised such arts. I will try to determine this in few days.

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
Canonically this is not stated but Malak's armor successfully deflected a Light Saber Throw attack from Bastilla. This happened when Malak was about to strike Revan. I made my point based on this action.
Well then we have to wait until it is confirmed that his armour really can block saber strikes. Wookiepedia certeinly does not conform this, neither does the kotor game
Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD

I am not sure that what his body armor is made of actually.
I know but we cant assume that his armour can block saber strikes completely, ill have to watch that scene again, but how can we assume that his armour blocked a saber strike? when the saber hit him he could have minor injuries because but had it completely gone through his body, he would have been cut in half
Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD

Was Mandalorian Armor never made during OLD Republic era?

I remember that armor of Cassus Fett was available for sale in Dantooine perhaps. That was a Mandalorian armor. So there is a high possibility that Mandalorian armor were created during OLD Republic era. i was referring to mandalorian IRON not armour. Lightsabers can cut through mandalorian armour but not mandalorian IRON as what kotor and DLOTS pointed out

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD

Malak's armor also demonstrated such level of durability. Now whether his armor might have some weak points or not is questionable. proof that his armour demonstrated durability? im referring to lightsaber strikes only. His armour could be similar to vaders but 2 things stand in the way to disprove that. 1)The materials for vaders armour did not exist yet 2) Or even if it did exist. malak would be slow because vaders armour restricts his movements

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD

We can't assume that Malak and Revan did not knew about Sith Alchemy. There is a high possibility that they studied or practised such arts. I will try to determine this in few days. revan certeinly practised sith alchemy but weather or not he taught it to malak is unknown which i believe he did, But sith alchemy is only used to enhance metallic objects, if it could be infused into normal objects, why didnt simus, naga,freedon,exar and revan infuse it into their armour?


EDIT, i made a mistake in my 2nd post. There is a difference between Mandalorian armour and mandalorian iron

In an all oat fight, Malak wins, but in a lightsaber fight Kenobi and Fisto win.

Malak could do this if he gets rid of Kenobi w/ the Force like Dooku did and then takes out Fisto one on one,.

Yea i agree, but in lightsaber only he goes down.

team two

Not in all situations.

Going to go with the team here.

Malak's only chance is his Force powers. If he can fight smart and disable Obi-Wan and/or Fisto, I can see him winning. But he has no no] chance of victory in lightsaber combat. He'd never break through Obi-Wan's defense, and Fisto is an outstanding offensive duelist.

I agree.

1. No, you're mistaken. Darth Vader's suit was almost entirely composed of durasteel, and the rest merely consisted of armor weave, and other various components (of which, all that were named haven't been stated to had been 'technological advancements', and are basic materials , which was existent during the days of KotOR, and before even).

"More visible durasteel plates cover his shoulders, upper body and shins." (Darth Vader's armor, Star Wars databank)

As you can see, what would be needed to make a suit of armor similar to Vader's would've certainly been available. The main alloy, durasteel, was around for certain, as you can get heavy durasteel armor, or a durasteel alloy in your play through (and while you can achieve this through gameplay, it'd still be canonical, as they don't have equipment that didn't exist for the timeline), or you can read the KotOR comics, which show some form of the compound.

2. Malak wouldn't necessarily need to be slow. Vader's armor had to be specially constructed for his missing limbs (and this was a problem that slowed him down, as well), and life support. Darth Malak doesn't have this problem, as he's only missing his jaw.

Plus, we've seen durasteel armor in KotOR, anyways.



How did you come under the ridiculous impression that Sith alchemy was only used to "enhance metallic objects"? Obviously you need to hit the books.

" can also reshape inanimate matter, making it sharper or stronger, as the ancient Sith frequently did with their weapons and armor." (Darkside Sourcebook, p. 13).

As you can see, the ancient Sith did use it on their armor. Furthermore, there are several defensive 'upgrades' armor can receive if the wearer is a practitioner of Sith alchemy (i.e. damage reduction, stealth, etc.), so if you couldn't imbue armor with alchemy then that wouldn't be possible at all. So, your assertion about it only having an effect on 'metallic objects' (again, which was completely unfounded) is wrong. If I recall correctly (and I do), both Kaox Krul, and Belia Darzu had alchemical augmentations on their armor. So, you were saying?

Now, I'm not saying that Malak's armor has any of the above properties (durasteel, alchemical enhancements), but it's clear that the few things you'd like to believe, or affirm aren't true.

Nevertheless, the assumption is baseless as no evidence exists to suggest that his armor possessed such properties. Malak dodged Bastila's saber, it didn't strike him.

Originally posted by Gideon
Malak's only chance is his Force powers. If he can fight smart and disable Obi-Wan and/or Fisto, I can see him winning. But he has no no] chance of victory in lightsaber combat. He'd never break through Obi-Wan's defense, and Fisto is an outstanding offensive duelist.
Oh, I agree 100% In a saber duel Kenobi alone has at least a 50-50 chance of beating him. But with the Force the duo could go down.

About Malak alchemically toughening his amour; its true. There was an official article which is considered complimentary material to the darkside source book that explains some of Malak's abilities.

Originally posted by Allankles
Nevertheless, the assumption is baseless as no evidence exists to suggest that his armor possessed such properties. Malak dodged Bastila's saber, it didn't strike him.
Your level of ignorance is amazing. Malak did tried to dodge that attack but Bastilla's Light Saber still hit Malak and he made a "grunts" like sound as a sign. His armor proved to be very durable and was not penetrated and the Light Saber got deflected back. Malak managed to dodge the attack to some extent but still got hit and his armor played its part in saving him from harm.

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
Your level of ignorance is amazing. Malak did tried to dodge that attack but Bastilla's Light Saber still hit Malak and he made a "grunts" like sound as a sign. His armor proved to be very durable and was not penetrated and the Light Saber got deflected back. Malak managed to dodge the attack to some extent but still got hit and his armor played its part in saving him from harm. If his armour really can deflect lightsabers why would he even need to dodge it in the first place.
He made a grunt because he could have been wounded minorly and bastila called back the lightsaber to her, it didnt bounce of him as you were saying.

Now, please provide a source which proves that malaks suit is saber-proof and if you cant, stop assuming that his armor really can deflect lightsabers

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
Your level of ignorance is amazing. Malak did tried to dodge that attack but Bastilla's Light Saber still hit Malak and he made a "grunts" like sound as a sign. His armor proved to be very durable and was not penetrated and the Light Saber got deflected back. Malak managed to dodge the attack to some extent but still got hit and his armor played its part in saving him from harm.

"Your level of ignorance is amazing". Right. Given how stupid you are, why are you hashing this out to somebody else?

Originally posted by Gideon
"Your level of ignorance is amazing". Right. Given how stupid you are, why are you hashing this out to somebody else?
You know better than me about that scene so why don't you explain it here?

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
You know better than me about that scene so why don't you explain it here?

Scientists have been searching for years to discover how human intelligence can decline in vast amounts; I believe, with this post above me, we've found the perfect subject. Why don't you submit yourself to the local laboratory, LeGenD? Perhaps you can do something important with your life instead of logging on here every day, getting your proverbial ass stomped, and coming back for more with utterly stupid rebuttles?

As for your damn question, who in the hell said I knew the scene better? I don't even like those games (thanks to idiots like you: "Revan is teh powahful!" or "Revan is teh God, let me gasp in orgasm every time his name is spoken!".

I simply told you that you have no room to talk about someone else's "ignorance", because you are unfathomably inept. Allankles, in my opinion, is an anti-Revan activist as bad as they come (and his reasoning is easily refuted), but he is a hell of a lot more gifted in intelligence and debating than you will ever have.

Period.

Long story short: You can't debate. You are the complete incarnation of "absence of logic". You aren't skilled. You only think you are. Your rebuttles don't make sense. You can't comprehend what I say. You CANNOT argue to save your life.

Originally posted by Gideon
Scientists have been searching for years to discover how human intelligence can decline in vast amounts; I believe, with this post above me, we've found the perfect subject. Why don't you submit yourself to the local laboratory, LeGenD? Perhaps you can do something important with your life instead of logging on here every day, getting your proverbial ass stomped, and coming back for more with utterly stupid rebuttles?

As for your damn question, who in the hell said I knew the scene better? I don't even like those games (thanks to idiots like you: "Revan is teh powahful!" or "Revan is teh God, let me gasp in orgasm every time his name is spoken!".

I simply told you that you have no room to talk about someone else's "ignorance", because you are unfathomably inept. Allankles, in my opinion, is an anti-Revan activist as bad as they come (and his reasoning is easily refuted), but he is a hell of a lot more gifted in intelligence and debating than you will ever have.

Period.

Long story short: You can't debate. You are the complete incarnation of "absence of logic". You aren't skilled. You only think you are. Your rebuttles don't make sense. You can't comprehend what I say. You CANNOT argue to save your life.

Now I know why I don't post here much anymore, because of assholes like you.

Calling someone stupid in general just because he hasn't read, watched or played as much Star Wars (ZoMG, the skillz) is pretty lame, and IMO, even more idiotic.

Zephiel, your words cut me. To know that people like me are the reason that you don't post here, deeply upsets me. Let me recant my ways, my friend, if only to regain your favor!



I call him "stupid" simply because the points he makes are generally unsupported, easily refuted, and he simply makes no sense. Add to the fact that he doesn't clearly read , he needs to be humbled and to understand that if he has an opinion - that's great! - but his opinion is nothing in the face of a greater/better argument or facts. He has come up with more BS than almost anyone I've ever come across on these boards, and each time he makes an argument, it gets refuted by somebody like Advent or Acstyles who are uphold logic and sense around here. And yet he comes back for more, rambling about how his opinion is still valid and whatnot. But that doesn't change the fact that he is wrong.

Of course, while I was typing this, I realized that LeGenD shares your notorious "Revan and KotoR own everyone!" stance that you've been called out on many times before. Perhaps that is why you so passionately defend him?

Edit: And then I also come to the realization that your opinion really doesn't mean much around here. Especially when I am known for not reading Star Wars comics or being a true fan of any Star Wars game. So, really. I couldn't care less if he doesn't watch it or read it as much as I do, considering how 99% of the people here have done so more than I. It's just his arguments in general.

Originally posted by zephiel7
Now I know why I don't post here much anymore, because of assholes like you.

Calling someone stupid in general just because he hasn't read, watched or played as much Star Wars (ZoMG, the skillz) is pretty lame, and IMO, even more idiotic.

Pipe down with your liberal propoganda.

Originally posted by Darth Sexy
Pipe down with your liberal propoganda.

Lmao.

However, Zephiel is right (there is a first time for everything, apparently) in one respect. Perhaps I was a bit too harsh on him. Even if I think that LeGenD himself is dumb, it should have never came to that. Instead, I'll say that his "arguments" are inept. So, I've sent an apology to him. I can only hope he'll forgive me.

And, then, perhaps, I can mend myself in Zephiel's eyes. For his opinion is what truly matters.

If this is sarcasm Gideon, it just adds to my prior opinion. I honestly couldn't care less whether or not you change your attitude, as I hardly know you.




Hardly. Your posts stated that he was an “idiot” and ridiculed him on the knowledge (moreso, the lack of) he has in Star Wars. If you were truly pointing out flaws in his debating technique, maybe you should have indicated that and how he could improve, instead of hopelessly flaming him. Otherwise ignore him. I’m not here to teach you what your parents should have, Gideon. If you want to be an *******, go ahead, good luck in where that takes you. He made an observation, that Malak could take a direct hit from Bastila’s lightsaber. How exactly is that indicative of idiocy?

Btw, my reading comprehension is fine, Kthx bye.



I have given reasons why I stated that Revan could beat the people who I thought he could, and I’ve never stated that he could take down NJO Luke or DE Sidious. In fact, in one thread I was arguing how Bane could take down Revan. I was defending Legend because you were being an *******, not because he likes KOTOR. Nice try.

How very 'Old West', how you maturely and with such nobility declare how cruel I've been. I suppose there's a new Sherriff in town, eh? Well, officer, I've already sent an apology to LeGenD in regards to my cold, harsh remarks against him - but the collective understanding of this entire forum is that his arguments are indeed sub-par in comparison to everybody else.

Now, take off your hat and badge, because no one really gives a damn.

Originally posted by Gideon
How very 'Old West', how you maturely and with such nobility declare how cruel I've been. I suppose there's a new Sherriff in town, eh? Well, officer, I've already sent an apology to LeGenD in regards to my cold, harsh remarks against him - but the collective understanding of this entire forum is that his arguments are indeed sub-par in comparison to everybody else.

Now, take off your hat and badge, because no one really gives a damn.

I wasn't trying to come across as being self-righteous Gideon, as my behavior on a forum isn't what makes people change from bad to good. I was bemused at how people were insulting each other on how well either side can debate Star Wars. I look back at whenever I did that, and want to promptly hit myself upside the head. If it was something like evolution versus intelligent design then I could possibly understand.

Star Wars debating is a diversion. Insulting someone on it is like insulting someone on how bad of a gamer they are.

I don't see the problem with Escape's posts. You claim he's insulting Legend's lack of star wars knowledge, whereas I see him insulting Legend's debating skill based on his lack of star wars knowledge. I always say if you don't know something, shut the **** up and sit back down.

Originally posted by Gideon
but the collective understanding of this entire forum is that his arguments are indeed sub-par in comparison to everybody else.



Even me!?!?!?!

No..... Not you.......