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Can the big flaming canary burn up Frankie before he shoves it in some pocket universe bird cage?

Originally posted by Nikkolas
Can the big flaming canary burn up Frankie before he shoves it in some pocket universe bird cage?

PF for the win.

Wow...PF vs. FP...And I JUST noticed that.

Eh. I'm tired, anyway.

PF

Originally posted by Nikkolas
Wow...PF vs. FP...And I JUST noticed that.

Eh. I'm tired, anyway.
FR isn't it?
and I'm drunk

Phoenix Force ... Dude you're setting up an infinite amount of Phoenixes against a five year old child ...
One Phoenix alone would be far more than enough.

OH yeah....

Uh...

Don't do drugs, kids.




I didn't see those "infinite amounds of Phoenixes" when the X-Men fought the pure PF and forced it into a portal.



Emma was a Phoenix....

Don't think she'll ge tthe job done.

I don't even knwo how Jean would beat ol' Franky.

PF is a high level cosmic entity.

FR is at an undetermined Celestial level.

Edge to PF

Pft.

FR is an omega-level mutant just like Jean and Rachel.. And BOTH Jean and Rachel managed to become one with Phoenix...not just avatars.

While a kid and without realizing it, he can make a pocket universe from nothing.

I wan tto see ANY Celestial do that...

The Celestials are elitists and dollars to donuts that if they actually did say Franklin is only Celestial-level (I never saw that scan...only heard it) it could be that elitism weighing down their judgment...

Originally posted by Nikkolas
Pft.

FR is an omega-level mutant just like the Phoenix Avatars.

While a kid and without realizing it, he can make a pocket universe from nothing.

I wan tto see ANY Celestial do that...

The Celestials are elitists and dollars to donuts that if they actually did say Franklin is only Celestial-level (I never saw that scan...only heard it) it could be that elitism weighing down their judgment...
Originally posted by Ethereal
Ashema The Listener.
"Sacrificing its own consciousness to preserve a universe, The Celestial Ashema holds a universe within."

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Originally posted by Nikkolas
Can the big flaming canary burn up Frankie before he shoves it in some pocket universe bird cage?

Good morning. PF is immortal. Frankie Richards is held in esteem by the ommipotent Celestials. Ashema the Listener adores him

Originally posted by guy222
Good morning. PF is immortal. Frankie Richards is held in esteem by the ommipotent Celestials. Ashema the Listener adores him
Thor is immortal as well, that doesnt mean he is unbeatable, and even a Celestial could
kill him.
They gave him immortality, so they can take it away.

Originally posted by Thanos_THOTU
Thor is immortal as well, that doesnt mean he is unbeatable, and even a Celestial could
kill him.
They gave him immortality, so they can take it away.

Thor isn't immortal like Herc Celestials hurt Thor. Fact. Celestials, as all of us know can never 'die'. Franklin=Celestial. This is a good debate, I won't be apart of. Can the PF stop a Celestial? Well

- Franklin can warp reality

- Phoenix Force cannot warp reality
(it can do many things energy blasts etc. but it cannot "change the rules" which is what REAL warping's about)

=> FR is like mxy. he wins easily. changes Phoenix into a parrot (a real one with feathers etc.)

Like GS used to says: PF wins easy

PF with utter ease.

One, it can simply turn off Franklin's mutation. Two, it controls all psionic energy that has been, is, and will be. Three, it grants total telekinetic control over all matter at a subatomic level...which means yes, it has matter manipulation abilities. Four, it's shown the power to amputate entire timelines and retcon/erase them from existence, as well as holding the prime 616 multiverse in it's hand and altering events therein. Five, at it's very basest it's capable of destroying entire galaxies at a time.

Franklin is sorely outclassed.

Celestials can't die?

Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
Celestials can't die?

Yes they can.

If FR is indeed a Celestial then he wins

Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
Celestials can't die? Originally posted by id369
Yes they can.

a celestial has only been killed on panel by thanos who did have the hotu

Well that is what was confusing because that happened yet Guy said they can't die.

Tiamut himself admitted that Celestials can't be killed.

How did Thanos kill one then?

Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
How did Thanos kill one then? he used the heart of the universe

Celestials can only be contained

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also adam warlock with the ig wiped somw of them out

Originally posted by Nihilist
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also adam warlock with the ig wiped somw of them out
I don't think that Celestial is dead. His body is destroyed, but it doesn't matter. They regenerate instantly.

Originally posted by xJLxKing
I don't think that Celestial is dead. His body is destroyed, but it doesn't matter. They regenerate instantly. still died when he was absorbed

Originally posted by Nihilist
still died when he was absorbed
They can't die. They can be "contained"

Originally posted by SoulDevourer
FR is like mxy. You have GOT to be kidding. facepalm

can somebody post up a panel where it says they can't be killed only contained and they regenerate immediatly?

Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
can somebody post up a panel where it says they can't be killed only contained and they regenerate immediatly?
I dont have the Panel, but... I do have this
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Celestials

Originally posted by xJLxKing
They can't die. They can be "contained" why is there a severed celestial head floating around in space in "nova"

This has bin retconed. But I will post it anyway.

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Yeah something about they can only will them selves to die. I'm gonna go with PF on this.

Originally posted by Nihilist
why is there a severed celestial head floating around in space in "nova"
The celestials are pure energy. They have armor which contains it. It mostly likely that its their armor and not themselfes.

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Silenced in the word...Been reading so many books today

And so we get our answer. thz guy222

Ur welcome buddy

Originally posted by Galan007
You have GOT to be kidding. facepalm slightly

btw what's the difference between reality warping & reality warping ?

Originally posted by SoulDevourer
btw what's the difference between reality warping & reality warping ? Scale.

Franky has never came close to warping reality on the scale Mxy has.

Originally posted by Galan007
Scale.

Franky has never came close to warping reality on the scale Mxy has.
Didn't Mxy lose to SMP?

Originally posted by xJLxKing
Didn't Mxy lose to SMP? That was far from a loss.

Originally posted by Galan007
That was far from a loss.
explain?

Originally posted by xJLxKing
explain? Don't feel like going into that. However, there were several 'extenuating circumstances'.

Explain or concede.




















dur

durfist

Franklin is not a celestial. He has celestial-level power.

There's a difference.

Celestials can't die as far as we know. It took the power of TOAA to destroy Ziran and even Galactus was stunned by that.

Knowhere is unexplainable at the moment and someone brought up the one guarding the Heroes Reborn Universe? That's Ashema the Listener and she's only sleeping.

PF ftw.

Originally posted by Enyalus
Franklin is not a celestial. He has celestial-level power.

There's a difference. Your read that from Wiki . Any ways their power is same like his, so if they can regenerate, so can he. If they can't die, so can't he. It all power

Originally posted by xJLxKing
Your read that from Wiki . Any ways their power is same like his, so if they can regenerate, so can he. If they can't die, so can't he. It all power

No, I didn't. And no, it isn't. Franklin is a human mutant with Celestial-level abilities. Just like Hulk in certain incarnations supposedly has Celestial-level strength.

Franklin is not made from Hyperspace energies. He doesn't even draw his power from there. And he's not thousands of feet tall. He's not a Celestial.

Originally posted by Enyalus
No, I didn't. And no, it isn't. Franklin is a human mutant with Celestial-level abilities. Just like Hulk in certain incarnations supposedly has Celestial-level strength.

Franklin is not made from Hyperspace energies. He doesn't even draw his power from there. And he's not thousands of feet tall. He's not a Celestial.
Celestials, and Franklin have the same source of power. They have the same abilities. They have the same power. They just aren't the same specie. One is a Human Mutant, while another is a Celestial. Remember Hulk had celestial-level strength, but he didn't have their abilities like Franklin has.

They do not have the same source of power. Hyperspace and psionic abilities are two entirely different things. Franklin isn't a Celestial. He's a human mutant. He can be killed. Just like any other human mutant (besides perhaps Mr. Immortal, etc.)

Franklin doesn't derive his power from Hyperspace like his kid does.

The Celestials wanted to recruit Frankin which sorta puts away the theory that Celestials are the collective conciousness of entire planets.

true true

Phoenix Force has control over life and death its self.
That being said, it works either way in battle, if it dies it comes back.
And it can just banish franklin to death, simply.

"The Phoenix Force is an immortal, indestructible, and mutable manifestation of the prime universal force of life, derived from the psyches of all living beings. In its natural state, this life-cycle is enough to sustain the Force. However, in order to manifest itself on the physical plane, the Force must tap into the near limitless source of energy provided by life-force reserved for future generations, thus denying them existence. "

From latest GotG it seems like Celestial in Knowhere isn't dead, because he reassembled himself to talk to Warlock.
Also, PF still can be killed, as shown in Excalibur. Too bad it is pretty much the end of the universal life.
Franklin loses, IMO. I vaguelly recall an cross-annual storyline where he manifested his future self, which was matched with PF Rachel. And we know she didn't use ALL the PF...

FR > PF

Franklin turns himself into Superman.

Originally posted by shokosugi
FR <<< PF
Fixed