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Does anyone else reckon Endangered Species looks good? I know theme is a bit cliche but the art and previews look pretty good, especially Finch's cover for X-men issue #200. I also love the fact that the main character for the storyline is one of my favourite characters, Beast

http://forum.newsarama.com/showthread.php?t=105460

i'd venture a guess that the "familiar face" early astonishing x-men is kavita rao, given she wanted to create a cure to mutancy, and someone else did it for her. wonder who the big player we haven't seen in a while is, though.

I for one cant wait! Im glad Hank is kinda the focus point, specially after being turned into a savage beast on Astonishing Xmen. I hope Magneto shows up at some level.

Originally posted by Darth Vicious
I for one cant wait! Im glad Hank is kinda the focus point, specially after being turned into a savage beast on Astonishing Xmen. I hope Magneto shows up at some level.

For some reason that interview gives off Dark Beast type experiment vibes.

Originally posted by ExodusCloak
For some reason that interview gives off Dark Beast type experiment vibes.

Maybe but Beast is equally brilliant as well, maybe the 2 Beasts will work together on finding a cure.

Originally posted by Darth Vicious
Maybe but Beast is equally brilliant as well, maybe the 2 Beasts will work together on finding a cure.

I meant Beasts morality might shift, but yeah who knows that could happen.

Hopefully they'll go extinct soon

Seriously, Grant Morrison ruined the Xmen for me

By turning mutants into the majority of the world, I donno, it just irks me

I've said it before, I'll say again. Someone needs to kill the Scarlet *****. Seriously, I don't care who does it. Hulk in WWH, Hawkeye, Blob, Stark, DP, JUST KILL THE ***** ALREADY! Even if the Xmen sucked, this kills off so many potential story ideas. Hank better come up with something.

Originally posted by Grimm22
Hopefully they'll go extinct soon

Seriously, Grant Morrison ruined the Xmen for me

By turning mutants into the majority of the world, I donno, it just irks me

I hope Beast throws down with Deadpool.



I don't know why,i just wanna see that fight.

I can't wait to read a reasonably big storyline which revolves round a character that never, ever gets any spotlight but deserves to

Originally posted by willRules
I can't wait to read a reasonably big storyline which revolves round a character that never, ever gets any spotlight but deserves to

Since when does Cable deserve spotlight?

FYI, 16 million people is NOT a majority of the world.

Originally posted by Grimm22
Since when does Cable deserve spotlight?







I meant Beast

Originally posted by willRules






I meant Beast

I guess

As long as they don't do some weird crappy storyline like Morrision did with him on his run

You know when he became like super beast or some bullcrap like that and pwned the Phoenix and all that crap...

Jeese I just realized how much Grant Morrison *ucked up the xmen

Originally posted by Validus
FYI, 16 million people is NOT a majority of the world.

Whatever, the point still remains

i got my fill of a world entirely mutated in earth x, though the idea that mutants were more and more numbering up to the humans wasn't a bad one. could've done without sublime and the majority of the other nonsense, though.

never had a problem with the 16 million thing.

Don't have problem with the 200 hundred thing.

Originally posted by Black Adam
never had a problem with the 16 million thing.

Don't have problem with the 200 hundred thing.

I don't know if it was the concept itself, but rather the way Grant Morrison used it

I dunno, I personally don't like Grant Morrison's work most of the time

The only book of his I really enjoy is All Star Superman

Other than that he tries to make everything to artsy and whatnot and ruins it

Originally posted by Grimm22
I guess

As long as they don't do some weird crappy storyline like Morrision did with him on his run

You know when he became like super beast or some bullcrap like that and pwned the Phoenix and all that crap...

Jeese I just realized how much Grant Morrison *ucked up the xmen

Meh, at least in the for tomorrow storyline the art was good. During the whole period the x-men wore leather jackets I didn't see one good artist on their titles. Wolverine did, it had the guy who drew the Logan files which was great, but X-men art at that time =

Anybody read the article on the X-men on Wizard # 187. It has "The 10 reasons why X-men # 200 will change everything" and # 10 is "The Marauders get a familiar face as their new leader!", "The most jaw-dropping moment in the whole issue"

Me for one cant wait, Its about time the X-men get the spotlight again and I listed reason # 10 because the first person that came to mind was Gambit, Magneto 2nd.

Originally posted by Darth Vicious
Anybody read the article on the X-men on Wizard # 187. It has "The 10 reasons why X-men # 200 will change everything" and # 10 is "The Marauders get a familiar face as their new leader!", "The most jaw-dropping moment in the whole issue"

Me for one cant wait, Its about time the X-men get the spotlight again and I listed reason # 10 because the first person that came to mind was Gambit, Magneto 2nd.

Good

Send that loser to live in the sewers where he belongs

Those are the Morlocks u talking about. The Marauders are the ones that murdered them all thanks to Gambit.

Originally posted by Darth Vicious
Those are the Morlocks u talking about. The Marauders are the ones that murdered them all thanks to Gambit.

Oh yeah

Whatever, I just hope that Gambit dies

We all do

Decimation & House of M, what do they both have in common? Mutants. What do they also both have in common? They sucked.

Nobdoy cares about mutants anymore, that's why X-Books are on the decline and Avenger books are on their way up .

I won't be buying this, downloading maybe, not buying.

Pretty much

People just got tired of the whole, "Oh he got his powers just by being born with them." thing

Nowdays, Genitic Inheritince is in (AKA JSA)

Well that's what Endangered species storyline is all about. Nobody cares about Mutants anymore so they are all dying off quite quickly.......

........Which is good and bad I suppose..........

Originally posted by willRules
Well that's what Endangered species storyline is all about. Nobody cares about Mutants anymore so they are all dying off quite quickly.......

........Which is good and bad I suppose..........

So, It's ok that they suck, because they know that they suck and are dieing off because of it?

Sounds about right to me, I'm glad

Look on the bright side the main character is Beast!!!

Beast!!!














BEAST!!!11!!!!!1!!!!

Originally posted by willRules
Look on the bright side the main character is Beast!!!

Beast!!!














BEAST!!!11!!!!!1!!!!

X-Man Beast sucks, He should be a full-time Avenger.

Who's writing this skeet-fest?

Originally posted by CasanoVa
X-Man Beast sucks, He should be a full-time Avenger.

Who's writing this skeet-fest?


No, no, no, no, no, no, no.................NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO


cry BEAST doesn't suck, he rocks as an X-man and an Avenger, probably his most impressive feats are with the X-men

Oh and It'll probably tell you on the link who is writing this "skeet fest"

Originally posted by CasanoVa
Decimation & House of M, what do they both have in common? Mutants. What do they also both have in common? They sucked.

Nobdoy cares about mutants anymore, that's why X-Books are on the decline and Avenger books are on their way up .

I won't be buying this, downloading maybe, not buying. Astonishing X-Men has consistently received critical favour and has consistently been a best seller. Peter David's current X-Factor stuff is good. I haven't been keeping up with Mike Carey's adjectiveless but I've heard good things, despite the meh Bachalo art.

I haven't been particularly impressed with New Avengers overall, nor has Mighty Avengers succeeded in piquing my interest greatly.

So while House of M sucked I'd look to the writer rather than the characters that were written.
Originally posted by Grimm22
Pretty much

People just got tired of the whole, "Oh he got his powers just by being born with them." thing

Nowdays, Genitic Inheritince is in (AKA JSA) People got tired from people gaining their powers through genetics.

Nowadays, getting powers through genetics is in?

I believe Joe Quesada felt some writers were taking the easy way out by creating characters and just making them mutants to explain their powers. While I think that HoM wasnt that good, the end was excellent in that it removed 95% or so of the mutant population and now the X-men/mutants are back to square one. I agree with X, Astonishing X-men has been one of the best and consistent X-men titles in a while and Uncanny X-men and X-men while not at the same level are very good on their own. X-factor has been very consistent as well.

Cause you say,say,say say that you love me.

Originally posted by xmarksthespot
People got tired from people gaining their powers through genetics.

Nowadays, getting powers through genetics is in?

Anyway. Grant hurt the shit out of X-Whatever, but he hasn't totally murdered it for me. . .

I can only hope that Beast gets to show offhow badass he is for a change.

Originally posted by Mobra
I can only hope that Beast gets to show offhow badass he is for a change.


I agree

Originally posted by xmarksthespot
Astonishing X-Men has consistently received critical favour and has consistently been a best seller. Peter David's current X-Factor stuff is good. I haven't been keeping up with Mike Carey's adjectiveless but I've heard good things, despite the meh Bachalo art.

I haven't been particularly impressed with New Avengers overall, nor has Mighty Avengers succeeded in piquing my interest greatly.

So while House of M sucked I'd look to the writer rather than the characters that were written.
People got tired from people gaining their powers through genetics.

Nowadays, getting powers through genetics is in?

I pick up Astonishing and X-factor, BUT in the nineties they were Marvel's largest earners.. that's where they got their money from a huge amount of the time. That's why Heroes Reborn happened and left the world with only mutants, and it sucked.

Now Avenger books seem to be all the rage, Mighty Avengers, New Avengers, Avengers: The Initiative, Avengers Classic etc. and the last and next big events are focusing on something other than mutants for once.

I don't mind mutants, I used to like them back in the nineties.. but I got a bit fed up of them as of late, especially 'cause of the hole Decimation/House of M thing.

It looks good, at least its better than world war hulk.

If they went from endangered to extinct I'd be happy, otherwise, don't care.

y do u mock wwh, ive read all the planet hulk books andthough the lasttwo were rushed, it was nicely witten comic book....I just despise pessimism for the sake of being pessimistic

Originally posted by xmarksthespot
Astonishing X-Men has consistently received critical favour and has consistently been a best seller. Peter David's current X-Factor stuff is good. I haven't been keeping up with Mike Carey's adjectiveless but I've heard good things, despite the meh Bachalo art.

I haven't been particularly impressed with New Avengers overall, nor has Mighty Avengers succeeded in piquing my interest greatly.

So while House of M sucked I'd look to the writer rather than the characters that were written.
People got tired from people gaining their powers through genetics.

Nowadays, getting powers through genetics is in?

No, people are just sick of characters getting powers magicly through the power of evolution. Of course, the biggest flaw in the whole mutant gene thing is that EVOLUTION DOESN"T WORK THAT WAY!

I mean what conceivable purpose can laser eyes serve?!?

Originally posted by Grimm22
No, people are just sick of characters getting powers magicly through the power of evolution. Of course, the biggest flaw in the whole mutant gene thing is that EVOLUTION DOESN"T WORK THAT WAY!

I mean what conceivable purpose can laser eyes serve?!?

.....Cook your food ?

it's not that evolution gave somebody laser eyes, it's that evolution gave somebody an x-gene, which happened to result in laser eyes.

Originally posted by CasanoVa
Decimation & House of M, what do they both have in common? Mutants. What do they also both have in common? They sucked.

Nobdoy cares about mutants anymore, that's why X-Books are on the decline and Avenger books are on their way up .

I won't be buying this, downloading maybe, not buying.

It's not that no one cares about mutants, its' that people only care about Wolverine and Spider-man.

Spider-man and Wolverine join the Avengers? Cool! Sales boost for the Avengers titles. Now you have to buy all the Avengers titles incase of a cameo!

Wolverine is no longer on any of the x-men rosters? Decline in sales for the X-Men! (Sure he is on the Astonishing... but one issue a year isn't worth talking about.)

Hey I'm just happy Beast is getting some spotlight for this

Originally posted by Grimm22
No, people are just sick of characters getting powers magicly through the power of evolution. Of course, the biggest flaw in the whole mutant gene thing is that EVOLUTION DOESN"T WORK THAT WAY!

I mean what conceivable purpose can laser eyes serve?!?

Survival. If you're in a dark alley, and a bunch of radioactive raccoons are approaching you, wanting to dine on your entrails; you'll thank your lucky stars that you can shoot lasers out of your eyes. Hell, you'll be thankful if you can shoot them out of your arse.




http://kungfukitten.diaryland.com/images/raccoonlite.jpg

fear

You act like this hasn't been happening for the past....40 years.

Mutants aren't anything new, there is nothing really to get sick of for basically as long as mainstream Marvel has been around, mutants have been around.

Originally posted by Grimm22
No, people are just sick of characters getting powers magicly through the power of evolution. Of course, the biggest flaw in the whole mutant gene thing is that EVOLUTION DOESN"T WORK THAT WAY!
It's a comic book. ermmnone

I pretty much dislike all things X except Astonishing but the points you're making are rather petty and mostly unimportant.

I think the X books are suffering from,"2 many titles syndrome". With so many titles the majority of their books seem bland, uninspired, and repeated.

Originally posted by Validus
It's a comic book. ermmnone

I pretty much dislike all things X except Astonishing but the points you're making are rather petty and mostly unimportant.

Yeah, but it still bothers me

*Sob* I can't help it if all my opinions are pointless and make no sense

Originally posted by Validus
It's a comic book. ermmnone

I pretty much dislike all things X except Astonishing but the points you're making are rather petty and mostly unimportant.

That's cause you suck.

X-Factor: Go buy it if you already don't, or pick up the trades, or download it. I don't care, I'm not a hypocrite unlike Dan Slott

But yeah, it rocks.

The rest of them are pretty weak in comparison.

Astonishing X-Men and X-Factor are great. So is New X-Men.

Carey's X-Men arcs are a rinse and repeat, although I do have a personal bias to his X-Men Annual, I'll reserve my judgement till the upcoming X-over.

I'm not that big a fan of X-Men First Class, thing is everyone but me seems to like it.

Uncanny X-Men is just a waste of paper. Brubakers Shiar arc is utter garbage. Drawn out, no team dynamic at all and Vulcan was getting on my nerves till recently. Only good thing is Gladiator had a few moments to shine. eg. Punking a Phoenix Host, and Two Phoenix-lites.

Wolverine Origins is utter crap. Not going to comment on his on going series because I don't want to be chased by an angry mob with pitch forks.

Mutants just keep on dying:

http://forum.newsarama.com/showthread.php?p=3687281#post3687281

Originally posted by ExodusCloak
Astonishing X-Men and X-Factor are great. So is New X-Men.

Carey's X-Men arcs are a rinse and repeat, although I do have a personal bias to his X-Men Annual, I'll reserve my judgement till the upcoming X-over.

I'm not that big a fan of X-Men First Class, thing is everyone but me seems to like it.

Uncanny X-Men is just a waste of paper. Brubakers Shiar arc is utter garbage. Drawn out, no team dynamic at all and Vulcan was getting on my nerves till recently. Only good thing is Gladiator had a few moments to shine. eg. Punking a Phoenix Host, and Two Phoenix-lites.

Wolverine Origins is utter crap. Not going to comment on his on going series because I don't want to be chased by an angry mob with pitch forks.
Agree with all Originally posted by ExodusCloak
Mutants just keep on dying:

http://forum.newsarama.com/showthread.php?p=3687281#post3687281
Damn Cal...always liked him too bad. Is that bum version Magneto or is Masque a man now?

Originally posted by ExodusCloak
I'm not that big a fan of X-Men First Class, thing is everyone but me seems to like it.

i don't like it either...

Originally posted by manorastroman
it's not that evolution gave somebody laser eyes, it's that evolution gave somebody an x-gene, which happened to result in laser eyes.

Exactly. It's nothing more than the colour of your eye really.

I think it's about time the X-Men starts worrying about something else than their political agenda. The mutant race is dying, and once again it's Beast's time to shine. There's no Moira McTaggert to help him out this time though :/

Won't be the same art as in x-men will it?

Originally posted by ExodusCloak
Astonishing X-Men and X-Factor are great. So is New X-Men.

Carey's X-Men arcs are a rinse and repeat, although I do have a personal bias to his X-Men Annual, I'll reserve my judgement till the upcoming X-over.

I'm not that big a fan of X-Men First Class, thing is everyone but me seems to like it.

Uncanny X-Men is just a waste of paper. Brubakers Shiar arc is utter garbage. Drawn out, no team dynamic at all and Vulcan was getting on my nerves till recently. Only good thing is Gladiator had a few moments to shine. eg. Punking a Phoenix Host, and Two Phoenix-lites.

Wolverine Origins is utter crap. Not going to comment on his on going series because I don't want to be chased by an angry mob with pitch forks. agreed. Uncanny took 12 issue to tell what could have been told in 4.

Originally posted by ExodusCloak
Astonishing X-Men and X-Factor are great. So is New X-Men.

Carey's X-Men arcs are a rinse and repeat, although I do have a personal bias to his X-Men Annual, I'll reserve my judgement till the upcoming X-over.

I'm not that big a fan of X-Men First Class, thing is everyone but me seems to like it.

Uncanny X-Men is just a waste of paper. Brubakers Shiar arc is utter garbage. Drawn out, no team dynamic at all and Vulcan was getting on my nerves till recently. Only good thing is Gladiator had a few moments to shine. eg. Punking a Phoenix Host, and Two Phoenix-lites.

Wolverine Origins is utter crap. Not going to comment on his on going series because I don't want to be chased by an angry mob with pitch forks.

Good post.

I agree with most of what you're sayign, but I'm personally not too fond of the art in X-men.

Haven't read first class yet, what's so good/bad about it?

Originally posted by llagrok
Good post.

I agree with most of what you're sayign, but I'm personally not too fond of the art in X-men.

Haven't read first class yet, what's so good/bad about it? Its not that bad. Its basically a retelling of some of the X-mens earliest battles.

Originally posted by Big Sexy
Its not that bad. Its basically a retelling of some of the X-mens earliest battles.

Have we seen all the battles? Or are there some new ones as well?

Does anyone think we'll see Quicksilver in endangered species?

Originally posted by llagrok
Have we seen all the battles? Or are there some new ones as well?

Does anyone think we'll see Quicksilver in endangered species? I wouldnt want to, with QS mutant will only turn into inhuman or some shit and retcons hapn n shit with him time traveling n shit

Pietro needs to be killed off

Seriously, his character has been so butchered at this point its just getting kind of sad

Originally posted by Grimm22
Pietro needs to be killed off

Seriously, his character has been so butchered at this point its just getting kind of sad

What a funny thing to say.

Son of M - Best thing to come out of House of M
X Factor - Easily the best X title (consistenly) out at the moment
Silent War - Awesome mini straight off the bat of Son of M

Pietro is easily far better as a villain than as a hero, his character has been far from butchered; reading Silent War and X Factor, this is very apparent, they are doing nothing but building upon his character.

Originally posted by CasanoVa
What a funny thing to say.

Son of M - Best thing to come out of House of M
X Factor - Easily the best X title (consistenly) out at the moment
Silent War - Awesome mini straight off the bat of Son of M

Pietro is easily far better as a villain than as a hero, his character has been far from butchered; reading Silent War and X Factor, this is very apparent, they are doing nothing but building upon his character.

I guess

As long as I have Ult. Quicksilver i'm fine then

Originally posted by Grimm22
I guess

As long as I have Ult. Quicksilver i'm fine then That i can agree on. I like QS far more when he was an Avenger or at least whooped ass with random heroes, thats when he made people look stupid.

xavier may be killed off,that would have a big impact.

Originally posted by lordboo
xavier may be killed off,that would have a big impact. I doubt it. He just got his telepathy back for the upteenth time.

Originally posted by Big Sexy
I doubt it. He just got his telepathy back for the upteenth time. So did Cable and it could be him.
Dont Forget it could be Rogue as well, we only see her cloak not her "Rogue"...

Just read x-men 99. Rogue can't catch a break. Her touch now causes instant death.

Originally posted by Big Sexy
Just read x-men 99. Rogue can't catch a break. Her touch now causes instant death.

lol


BUMP

Eh...what the heck is going on with Xavier and Emma? Is that a telepathic slapping contest? Or not..

http://comics.ign.com/articles/792/792138p1.html

And X-Men #200 preview. Someone in this issue is gonna die. The funeral is carried onto Endangered Species.:

http://comics.ign.com/articles/792/792131p1.html

Who do you guys reckon will bite the dust?

Originally posted by ExodusCloak
Eh...what the heck is going on with Xavier and Emma? Is that a telepathic slapping contest? Or not..

http://comics.ign.com/articles/792/792138p1.html

And X-Men #200 preview. Someone in this issue is gonna die. The funeral is carried onto Endangered Species.:

http://comics.ign.com/articles/792/792131p1.html

Jeese even at a funeral Emma still dresses like a **** bored

That's a bad thing?

Originally posted by willRules
Who do you guys reckon will bite the dust?

Whoever it is they appear to have a lot of family.

Cannonball? Is Husk dead yet?

ive said it a million times but those pooor xmen just cant catch a break....on a side note tho i really enjoyed brubaker's shiar arc... cuz for a minute there i really thought it was gonna be classic xmen bullshit(claremont era) where everything would wrap up nice and neatly and everyone would get what they want...and end of story..

i was really steeling myself for the inevitable thinking.. gee this is the part where someone delivers an emotionally appealing speech to vulcan, how killing and revenge is wrong and how killing would make you no better than the bad guys and killing wont bring your loved ones back and then boom....he comes to his senses and abandons his murderous crusade, and they all go back to the xmen mansion and grant him probationary membership like they have done with an assload of ppl who have tried to kill them over the years,...what was that? you want me to name a few...well ok....umm magneto, juggernaut, mystique, sabertooth, polaris, rogue, lady ,masterind, emma frost.

but then to my surprise vulcan owned everybody, killed d'ken and now he rules an empire and the x-fools have egg on there faces...its truly a beautiful day in the neighborhoodcrycry

http://marvel.com/catalog/?date=2007-08

Read the Solicits for X-Men #202 and New X-Men #41...Beast digging up corpses?

Originally posted by willRules
Cannonball? Is Husk dead yet? F*CK NO!!!! cannonball better not die

Well I just named a couple of characters who come from big families

I just read a preview of Endangered Species, and it shows Wolverine kneeling in front of a gravestone with the name Monroe on it. I assume they mean Storm

So we need to wait and see, but that would be a shocker.

Wow. I doubt she will bite the dust though, it might just be a promo image. I saw one like that with Bishop's name on and one which had Summers written on it and I doubt they will die. I'd like her to but I doubt she will

Well the issue came out today. Somebody let the spoilers out.

apparently there's a funeral and a lot of chit-chat amongst the gathered mutants.

Originally posted by ExodusCloak
http://marvel.com/catalog/?date=2007-08

Read the Solicits for X-Men #202 and New X-Men #41...Beast digging up corpses?

Am I the only one concerned with the fact that Beast is digging up graves?!? shock

Originally posted by Grimm22
Am I the only one concerned with the fact that Beast is digging up graves?!? shock

I'm sure he has a good reason.

Hopefully it involves a corpse, KittyPride and 3 kilos of Jell-o.

three kilos of jello would be a ridiculously small amount for anything they might be trying to accomplish.

Originally posted by Disappear
three kilos of jello would be a ridiculously small amount for anything they might be trying to accomplish.

ermm Then maybe you don't want to be in my head.

post-mortem implants? you're a sick little man...

Originally posted by Grimm22
Am I the only one concerned with the fact that Beast is digging up graves?!? shock
Im sure he is checking for traces of the x-gene in mutants who died prior to House of M to check how bad was Wanda's spell.

Originally posted by Grimm22
Am I the only one concerned with the fact that Beast is digging up graves?!? shock

Finally, a member of the X-Men I can relate to!~

Originally posted by willRules
Wow. I doubt she will bite the dust though, it might just be a promo image. I saw one like that with Bishop's name on and one which had Summers written on it and I doubt they will die. I'd like her to but I doubt she will

I think that scene is supposed to take place in the distant future, because it looks like there are also graves of all the other X-Men.

Originally posted by The Unknown
I think that scene is supposed to take place in the distant future, because it looks like there are also graves of all the other X-Men.
ya ecpt wolverine he was not there at the time.

Wait, did the one shot come out this week?

If so, anybody have scans

Originally posted by The Unknown
I think that scene is supposed to take place in the distant future, because it looks like there are also graves of all the other X-Men.
It seem like a it was a scene from "Days of Future Past"

Just read the one-shot -- basically just a set-up issue where not much happened. But the writing and art were okay.

Originally posted by xmarksthespot
Just read the one-shot -- basically just a set-up issue where not much happened. But the writing and art were okay.

I agree. It had a nice ending though with Logan and Cyke moaning that it's game over for Mutant-kind but the pathetic fallacy of the stormy weather turning into sunshine brings it nicely into introducing "Messiah Complex."

Personally I'd like to know who Mutant-kind's "Messiah" is. At the moment my money's on either Beast or Mr Sinister

Originally posted by willRules
Personally I'd like to know who Mutant-kind's "Messiah" is. At the moment my money's on either Beast or Mr Sinister

Or Cable none180

Possibly although I heard the main characters in Messiah complex were Beast, Sinister, Gambit and his Marauders, Xavier(?) and Mystique.

Wikipedia:

Cyclops will play a crucial role in the upcoming X-Men: Messiah Complex crossover. It is suspected amoung fans that he is the Messiah for the Mutant Race.

^ The lesson to be learned is don't believe everything wikipedia says.

It may be true

Gambit better not EVER come back to the xmen ever again after this

Seriously how many times has he betrayed them? More than a dozen times now?

Originally posted by Grimm22
Gambit better not EVER come back to the xmen ever again after this

Seriously how many times has he betrayed them? More than a dozen times now?

I can't think of one time he has betrayed them.

He joined Apocalypse to keep an eye on him

Originally posted by llagrok
I can't think of one time he has betrayed them.

He joined Apocalypse to keep an eye on him

Mutant Massacre

Originally posted by Grimm22
Mutant Massacre

Yes?

That wasn't his fault, he had no idea what he was starting. He tried to save Marrow didn't he?

Didn't he lie about mystique being on the team for a little while as well? Then again even cyclops and prof x have betrayed the team before

Well, I'm glad to see Sinister doing something that DOESN'T involve killing Apocalypse....

Originally posted by Evil_Ash
Well, I'm glad to see Sinister doing something that DOESN'T involve killing Apocalypse....

Yeah.. That's really getting old, because come on, anybody can kill Apocalypse nowadays .

Originally posted by CasanoVa
Yeah.. That's really getting old, because come on, anybody can kill Apocalypse nowadays .

Not to mention that basically any mutant that has a history with Apocalypse has wanted to kill him...

Originally posted by Evil_Ash
Not to mention that basically any mutant that has a history with Apocalypse has wanted to kill him...

Yeah, Apocalypse is pretty boring for me now, I don't find him a credible threat at all .

But I'm glad to see that X-Factor (undoubtedly for me the best X title) will be involved in this, Madrox owns.

Originally posted by CasanoVa
Yeah, Apocalypse is pretty boring for me now, I don't find him a credible threat at all .

Apocalypse needs to retconned. Like Annihilus.

With him being taken away by the Celestials, something like that is possibly going to happen...

Originally posted by CasanoVa
Yeah, Apocalypse is pretty boring for me now, I don't find him a credible threat at all .

But I'm glad to see that X-Factor (undoubtedly for me the best X title) will be involved in this, Madrox owns.

X-Factor is great, but I wouldn't call it the BEST X-book

Hell the only BAD X-books nowadays are Ult.X-men, Uncanny X-Men and Excalibur (Is Exiles an X-Book?)

Oh and the Wolverine books too

Originally posted by Grimm22
X-Factor is great, but I wouldn't call it the BEST X-book

Hell the only BAD X-books nowadays are Ult.X-men, Uncanny X-Men and Excalibur (Is Exiles an X-Book?)

Oh and the Wolverine books too

X Factor is easily the best for me, Astonishing probably is better (but the lateness makes me enjoy it far less than I would).

Uncanny's not too bad , hopefully it'll pick up now its not focused on Vulcan.

Originally posted by willRules
I agree. It had a nice ending though with Logan and Cyke moaning that it's game over for Mutant-kind but the pathetic fallacy of the stormy weather turning into sunshine brings it nicely into introducing "Messiah Complex."

Personally I'd like to know who Mutant-kind's "Messiah" is. At the moment my money's on either Beast or Mr Sinister

Beast seems the likely choice if he finds a "cure" or a way to reverse Wanda's spell. Then again Mr. Sinister can also do so.

Originally posted by Darth Vicious
Beast seems the likely choice if he finds a "cure" or a way to reverse Wanda's spell. Then again Mr. Sinister can also do so. Watch Logan turn out to be the Messiah!

i still don't know if i liked this issue or not... seemed to be stretching out something that could have been done in a few pages...

btw, does anyone know what the hell was up with that shot of cyke firing into the sky?

Originally posted by pr1983
the hell was up with that shot of cyke firing into the sky?


Stress? Frustration from one of the possible saviours for the mutant race

Originally posted by willRules
Stress? Frustration from one of the possible saviours for the mutant race

lol, i know that, i meant the effect, like his blast was hitting something...

well from what i know of cyke's blast it dissipates before it leaves the atmosphere, so nothing more than it just ionised the atmospehere to make it rain.

Originally posted by manjaro
well from what i know of cyke's blast it dissipates before it leaves the atmosphere, so nothing more than it just ionised the atmospehere to make it rain.

i guess thats possible...

Originally posted by manjaro
well from what i know of cyke's blast it dissipates before it leaves the atmosphere, so nothing more than it just ionised the atmospehere to make it rain.

That's how I saw it as well.


Overall I was surprised by this issue, I thought I wouldn't like it for it's lack of action but it was entertaining to see some good character developments especially from Xavier, Bishop and Wolverine. I'm also loving the fact that beast will be receiving lotsa limelight for a change

well i was surprised to see who beast was talknig to at the end of the first part of this arch..alot of people i would not have guessed

I do think 17 parts is a little too much for a story arch..but hey it was nice to see gambit*

I have too say i'm not impressed with this entire idea of mutants being called an "endangered species".

Mainly because, to me, mutants are not a species. They are just humans with powers. Thats all.

It kind of pisses me off how the xmen have the nerve to call themselves a different species when the only difference between humans and mutants is the x-gene.

Originally posted by Grimm22
I have too say i'm not impressed with this entire idea of mutants being called an "endangered species".

Mainly because, to me, mutants are not a species. They are just humans with powers. Thats all.

It kind of pisses me off how the xmen have the nerve to call themselves a different species when the only difference between humans and mutants is the x-gene.

Biologically they're not a different species since (on the whole) they can produce viable progeny when paired with humans.

Big words ftw smartass

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Originally posted by Grimm22
I have too say i'm not impressed with this entire idea of mutants being called an "endangered species".

Mainly because, to me, mutants are not a species. They are just humans with powers. Thats all.

It kind of pisses me off how the xmen have the nerve to call themselves a different species when the only difference between humans and mutants is the x-gene.

Anyway all human beings can become mutants because all humans have the ability to develop super powers through discipline. This seems to imply that all humans can develop or have a dormant x-gene.

Originally posted by Alfheim
Anyway all human beings can become mutants because all humans have the ability to develop super powers through discipline. This seems to imply that all humans can develop or have a dormant x-gene.

All human beings can become mutants? Im sorry but thats the stupidest thing Ive ever heard. A Marvel mutant is someone who is born with the X-factor, the x-gene. The x-gene is not present in normal humans no matter how much they wanted or how much discipline they have.

Originally posted by Darth Vicious
All human beings can become mutants? Im sorry but thats the stupidest thing Ive ever heard. A Marvel mutant is someone who is born with the X-factor, the x-gene. The x-gene is not present in normal humans no matter how much they wanted or how much discipline they have.

The x-gene enables you to have superhuman powers. All human beings have the ability to develop psionic powers eg Dr Strange, all the numerous people that have learnt magic, all the tibetan monks in the marvel universe have psionic powers.

If you can learn to have powers through discipline and the x-gene gives you powers, I guess all human beings have a dormant one or can develop it.

Originally posted by Alfheim
The x-gene enables you to have superhuman powers. All human beings have the ability to develop psionic powers eg Dr Strange, all the numerous people that have learnt magic, all the tibetan monks in the marvel universe have psionic powers.

If you can learn to have powers through discipline and the x-gene gives you powers, I guess all human beings have a dormant one or can develop it.

All people with an active Xgene have powers, not all people with powers have an active Xgene.

Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
All people with an active Xgene have powers, not all people with powers have an active Xgene.

Are you sure? As far as I know when somebody gains powers they have an x-gene eg Spiderman is a mutant but not a born one. Thats why he developed powers when he got bit by the Spider.

Originally posted by Alfheim
Are you sure? As far as I know when somebody gains powers they have an x-gene eg Spiderman is a mutant but not a born one. Thats why he developed powers when he got bit by the Spider.

Spiderman is considered a mutate rather than a mutant.

Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
Spiderman is considered a mutate rather than a mutant.

I prefer the term "Altered human" 313

Spider-Man doesn't have the X-gene.

Originally posted by Hercules
I prefer the term "Altered human" 313

You got that from the MSH role playing game.

Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
Spiderman is considered a mutate rather than a mutant.

I was under the impresion the reason why normal humans gain powers from radiation was because they have a dormant x gene regardless of whatever you call them.

Originally posted by Alfheim
You got that from the MSH role playing game.

Yes I did!

Originally posted by Hercules
Yes I did!

Got yah! I swear it says in the game altered humans are mutants. for example in the Ultimate Powers booklet it calls altered humans induced mutants.

Originally posted by xmarksthespot
Spider-Man doesn't have the X-gene.

Characters like Spiderman have been called mutants

Originally posted by Alfheim
The x-gene enables you to have superhuman powers. All human beings have the ability to develop psionic powers eg Dr Strange, all the numerous people that have learnt magic, all the tibetan monks in the marvel universe have psionic powers.

If you can learn to have powers through discipline and the x-gene gives you powers, I guess all human beings have a dormant one or can develop it.
Dr. Strange doesnt have an x-gene, his powers are magic based. Magic can be learned, it doesnt change ur genetics.



Originally posted by Alfheim
Are you sure? As far as I know when somebody gains powers they have an x-gene eg Spiderman is a mutant but not a born one. Thats why he developed powers when he got bit by the Spider.

The spider altered his genes, same as the toxic waste did to DD. Like it was said, theyre just "altered humans".

A Marvel mutant is someone who is born with the x-gene and gains his/her powers because of it and not because of outside sources such as, toxic waste, magic spiders, serums etc.

Originally posted by Alfheim
Characters like Spiderman have been called mutants

And I've been called a kung fu lizard monster. Doesn't make it true

Anyone pick up UXM 488 yet? I heard Doom admitted that Biology wasn't his forte? High Evolutionary was apparently the most useful out of the bad guys.

Originally posted by xmarksthespot
Spider-Man doesn't have the X-gene.

Fairly sure they've made spideys powers mystic in origion thgese days.

Originally posted by ExodusCloak
Anyone pick up UXM 488 yet? I heard Doom admitted that Biology wasn't his forte? High Evolutionary was apparently the most useful out of the bad guys.
Is out already??

Originally posted by Alfheim
Got yah! I swear it says in the game altered humans are mutants. for example in the Ultimate Powers booklet it calls altered humans induced mutants.



Characters like Spiderman have been called mutants

Yeah induced mutants as in the mutation isn't natural.

Really Hulk is a mutant becuase the radiation mutated his body, in fact the FF are mutated as are a lot of Superhumans.

But in Marvel to show the difference between those born with the X gene and those mutated by other means they say Mutants and Mutates.

Originally posted by ExodusCloak
Anyone pick up UXM 488 yet? I heard Doom admitted that Biology wasn't his forte? High Evolutionary was apparently the most useful out of the bad guys.

Doom admitted he wasn't the best at something?!?

Who the f*ck is writing this?!?

Originally posted by Grimm22
Doom admitted he wasn't the best at something?!?

Who the f*ck is writing this?!? I think Mike Carey. It's pretty off for Doom to admit it... humility isn't exactly his middle name... but is it really his forte anyway? When I think Doom, I generally think robotics and engineering.