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Everyone's at Full Power.


Also,

include your own Top 5 (in order) in the DC hierarchy.


I'm learning mostly so I'll just observe, (for now)


This should be interesting.

Originally posted by Mr Master
Everyone's at Full Power.


Also,

include your own Top 5 (in order) in the DC hierarchy.


I'm learning mostly so I'll just observe, (for now)


This should be interesting.

living tribunal,pretcon beyonder,pretcon molecule man,mad jim jaspers,eternity.
dc top 5
Lucifer/Michael
spectre
the word
the source
Mr myx

Originally posted by lordboo
dc top 5
Lucifer/Michael
spectre
the word
the source
Mr myx

I have Marvel down packed,

just DC will be fine,

thanx.

Spectre (if tapped into the logoz) = Source = The world > Lucifer > Michael >> Mxyztplk

Originally posted by Thanos_THOTU
Spectre (if tapped into the logoz) = Source = The world > Lucifer > Michael >> Mxyztplk I'd place Mxy above Lucifer.

Lucifer created 1 Multiverse, by initially using Michael's power.


Mxy destroyed no less than 2 Multiverses, and recreated them in a snap.

Originally posted by Mr Master
Everyone's at Full Power.


Also,

include your own Top 5 (in order) in the DC hierarchy.


I'm learning mostly so I'll just observe, (for now)


This should be interesting.

1. Word
2. Spectre

I don't like Mxy
Good thread, Mr. M

Originally posted by Thanos_THOTU
Spectre (if tapped into the logoz) = Source = The world > Lucifer > Michael >> Mxyztplk


Originally posted by Galan007
I'd place Mxy above Lucifer.

Lucifer created 1 Multiverse, by initially using Michael's power.


Mxy destroyed no less than 2 Multiverses, and recreated them in a snap.

So,

1. the Spectre (Logoz Tapped) = the Source = the Word

2. Mxy

3. Lucifer

4. Michael



Is that right fellas?

Originally posted by Mr Master
So,

1. the Spectre (Logoz Tapped) = the Source = the Word

2. Mxy

3. Lucifer

4. Michael



Is that right fellas?
Yeah. The source is like the DC equivilant of HOTU, hierarchy wise.

Originally posted by King Kandy
Yeah. The source is like the DC equivilant of HOTU, hierarchy wise.

Holy!

So there's 3 cats out there running around with the Presence's power?

Originally posted by King Kandy
Yeah. The source is like the DC equivilant of HOTU, hierarchy wise.

Since when?

Originally posted by Mr Master
Holy!

So there's 3 cats out there running around with the Presence's power?
It's like HOTU and TOAA.

HOTU is in the respect of power equal to TOAA.

But TOAA will ALWAYS be above HOTU.

It's the same with the source and the presence.

God

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Superman Prime

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Source

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Lucifer/Michael/Mxy/Spectre

Originally posted by masterbruce
God

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Superman Prime

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Source

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Lucifer/Michael/Mxy/Spectre

Originally posted by masterbruce
God

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Superman Prime

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Source

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Lucifer/Michael/Mxy/Spectre
shock

Originally posted by masterbruce
Superman Prime

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God

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Source

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Lucifer/Michael/Mxy/Spectre

Fixed.

Originally posted by masterbruce
Superman Prime























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Lucifer/Michael/Mxy/Spectre
Fixed

Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
Fixed.
lol, u bastard

Originally posted by King Kandy
It's like HOTU and TOAA.

HOTU is in the respect of power equal to TOAA.

But TOAA will ALWAYS be above HOTU.

It's the same with the source and the presence.

Are these three equal?

the Spectre (Logoz Tapped) = the Source = the Word

Originally posted by Mr Master
Are these three equal?

the Spectre (Logoz Tapped) = the Source = the Word
I can't answer that. I don't know anything about the Word.

The Spectre at FULL POWER is equal to the source.

Originally posted by Mr Master
So,

1. the Spectre (Logoz Tapped) = the Source = the Word

2. Mxy

3. Lucifer

4. Michael



Is that right fellas? Michael would be at #1 as well.

He is God's power personified.

DC Hierarchy top 5:

1. The Presence/Great Evil Beast
2. Elaine Belloc/Ultimator
3. Lucifer/Mazikeen with Lucifer's power
4. Michael
5. Spectre merged with the Source and the Logoz

Originally posted by Endless Mike
DC Hierarchy top 5:

1. The Presence/Great Evil Beast
2. Elaine Belloc/Ultimator
3. Lucifer/Mazikeen with Lucifer's power
4. Michael
5. Spectre merged with the Source and the Logoz
That's more then five...

1. The Presence/TOAA/the Source/LON
2.HOTU/ALE
3. Lucifer/Michael
3. the bro's
4. Spectre/TLT
5. Mr Mxyztplk
6.IG
7.eternity
9.beyonder
10.CC/WLG

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what is the the word and the logoz?

Ok I'm going to do my best to put this in some kinda order

The Presence
The GEB
The Source=Micheal (The Arc Angel)
Elaine
The Spectre at full Power (no source merge)
The Word-Phantom Stranger
Krona (As seen in JLAvengers)
The Ultimator
The Anti life
Mr. Mxy
Lucifer/Michael ( of Vertigo)
Batmite
Classic ION/Parallax
Kismet
Dominus

I probably missed some,BUt I did a DC List a while Ago. But I will have to research to see if it's as close to accurate as I can get it.

Also, here is a list of DC power Items that are the most powerful

The Godwave ( as used by Cronos to touch the presence)
The Antilife Equation
The Worlogog
The Mobius Chair
The Oan Battery
The GrandMother Box
The WishMachine
The Mystic Starheart




Most powerful Items in the DCU

TGEB/The Presence
The Source/The Voice
The Word(the Logos)
Lucifer/Michael
Full Powered Spectre
The Endless

I got a question. What is The Word and how is it different than The Voice?

And why is some freaky little eimp stronger than Lucifer and Michael...?

Oh and does Spectre with Logos or whatever > Spectre with the Source?

After all, didn't he absorb the Source to fight GEB?

lol..DC's heirarchy is much more confusing than Marvel's

Originally posted by Nikkolas
I got a question. What is The Word and how is it different than The Voice?

And why is some freaky little eimp stronger than Lucifer and Michael...?

The Word is God in the flesh, he is the first being created. The Voice is the disembodied voice of The Source/The Presence. Some in the comic book industry view The Source as the real God while others view The Presence.. I'm reading up on some of the history of the New Gods and Old Gods.

The Voice = the Source = Spectre (taped into the logoz)

Originally posted by hush
1. The Presence/TOAA/the Source/LON

LoN has done nothing but created four universes, the source is only a aspect of God.

1. Presence - TOAA
2. the Source






32. Lord of Nightmares

The hell is Logos?

I heard it was a retcon as Logos was an angel on par with Spectre originally..or something of that sort.

Here you go mr master. This list is pretty accurate i read through most of it and it seems good.

http://www.comixtreme.com/forums/showthread.php?t=17314

Has the hierarchy changed in anyone's opinion?

Originally posted by Wei Phoenix
Has the hierarchy changed in anyone's opinion? Is this based on pure power alone?

Originally posted by Wei Phoenix
Has the hierarchy changed in anyone's opinion?

Probably, if you include Mandrakk and Cosmic armor Superman.

Originally posted by Prep-Man
Probably, if you include Mandrakk and Cosmic armor Superman. I don't think either of those two characters proved anything anywhere close any of these characters included here.

Sorry, I meant Primal Monitor, but Mandrakk and CA Superman should be in top 10 at least.

Originally posted by Prep-Man
Sorry, I meant Primal Monitor, but Mandrakk and CA Superman should be in top 10 at least. I really don't see Lucifer and Michael's actions being in continuity to the overall dcu. If I did an overall power list with the great dc/ vertigo beings I'd have to hink about it.

Originally posted by quanchi112
I really don't see Lucifer and Michael's actions being in continuity to the overall dcu. If I did an overall power list with the great dc/ vertigo beings I'd have to hink about it.

In the beginning, they do have continuity and I think they are in the realm of the DCU. Vertigo's continuity is a bit funky and out of synch, but they should be included.

Originally posted by Prep-Man
In the beginning, they do have continuity and I think they are in the realm of the DCU. Vertigo's continuity is a bit funky and out of synch, but they should be included. I think their meetings inside the dcu/Spectre comic etc. are. Mike Carey's work didn't affect the dcu though in his own lucifer comic.

Originally posted by quanchi112
I think their meetings inside the dcu/Spectre comic etc. are. Mike Carey's work didn't affect the dcu though in his own lucifer comic. Correct. Only the few Vertigo titles that were launched under DC's imprint and LATER labeled as Vertigo affected the DCU.

Sandman has its footprint all over DC in different areas.

However, even though it 'spun out of the pages of Sandman", Lucifer never did.

Originally posted by quanchi112
I think their meetings inside the dcu/Spectre comic etc. are. Mike Carey's work didn't affect the dcu though in his own lucifer comic.

No, but he was stll in the DCU.

Originally posted by Juntai
Correct. Only the few Vertigo titles that were launched under DC's imprint and LATER labeled as Vertigo affected the DCU.

Sandman has its footprint all over DC in different areas.

However, even though it 'spun out of the pages of Sandman", Lucifer never did. Agreed. I even put up dido's own response and I argued to no end on herochat. They falsely said it happened in the dcu. I laughed at their stubborness. It's still weird to see you reply to me. LOL.

Originally posted by Prep-Man
No, but he was stll in the DCU. Yes, but his actions in his own comic did not.

I'm not worried about the actions, I'm just saying Lucifer and some of the Vertgoverse is still apart of the main DCU.

Originally posted by Prep-Man
I'm not worried about the actions, I'm just saying Lucifer and some of the Vertgoverse is still apart of the main DCU. Yes, some are.

Mainly the early stuff like Sandman, Lucifer, Constantine, Animal Man, Michael, Swamp Thing, etc...

Originally posted by Prep-Man
Mainly the early stuff like Sandman, Lucifer, Constantine, Animal Man, Michael, Swamp Thing, etc... Lucifer's series isn't in continuity.

i'm not talking continuity. Continuity is ****ed up with the main dcu and marvel universe as it is. I'm saying that they are apart of the DCU. Same with Wildstorm and Milstone, etc...

Originally posted by Prep-Man
i'm not talking continuity. Continuity is ****ed up with the main dcu and marvel universe as it is. I'm saying that they are apart of the DCU. Same with Wildstorm and Milstone, etc... I don't count it if it isn't in continuity. It's its own standalone story.

Lucifer still counts, if we're talking about counting DCU heirarchy.

Originally posted by Prep-Man
Mainly the early stuff like Sandman, Lucifer, Constantine, Animal Man, Michael, Swamp Thing, etc... These stories existed before the Vertigo imprint, so some writers take liberties with adding them into the DCU. For example, Kevin Smith's bit in the Green Arrow run that was a nod to Sandman.

Lucifer from Sandman is part of DC.
Lucifer from Lucifer, is not.
Even though under Vertigo, it's technically the same guy.

Originally posted by Juntai
These stories existed before the Vertigo imprint, so some writers take liberties with adding them into the DCU. For example, Kevin Smith's bit in the Green Arrow run that was a nod to Sandman.

Lucifer from Sandman is part of DC.
Lucifer from Lucifer, is not.
Even though under Vertigo, it's technically the same guy.

Didn't we see the likes of the Source, Constantine (Cameo) in his series? Those are apart of the DCU.

guys like:

mandrakk
primal monitor
synnar
CA supes

certainly changed the hierarchy a bit.

the link a page or so back had doomsday rex in the same class as sundipped superman.

Originally posted by Prep-Man
Didn't we see the likes of the Source, Constantine (Cameo) in his series? Those are apart of the DCU. You're confusing yourself bro.

And, I gotta run to work.


Peace out.

I don;t take too much into Continuity of the DCU. I mean look at Synnar? And then Primal Monitor? Which is the right origin for the DCU?

Originally posted by Juntai
You're confusing yourself bro.

And, I gotta run to work.


Peace out.

Come back, then. Because I thought both of those characters were in Lucifer's main series.

Originally posted by Prep-Man
Come back, then. Because I thought both of those characters were in Lucifer's main series. He'll be back he works for me what he doesn't know is that I'm firing his ass

Originally posted by Galan007
guys like:

mandrakk
primal monitor
synnar
CA supes

certainly changed the hierarchy a bit.

Agreed

Still waiting for Starlin to connect the dots with Synnar

Originally posted by iceman24567
He'll be back he works for me what he doesn't know is that I'm firing his ass

Originally posted by guy222
Agreed

Still waiting for Starlin to connect the dots with Synnar What in the world is Starlin doing?

Originally posted by Starscream M
God

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Superman Prime

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Source

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Lucifer/Michael/Mxy/Spectre


for **** sake get superman prime outta this thread gereesh.

Originally posted by Prep-Man
Didn't we see the likes of the Source, Constantine (Cameo) in his series? Those are apart of the DCU. Constantine hasn't been in the prime DCU for a very long time, however much like Sandman, his early stories were originally written as part of DC before the Vertigo imprint was created. Same with Swamp Thing.


The only parts of Luficer's story that exist in the DCU are the ones that appeared in Sandman, and the ones that appeared in DCU books like The Spectre where we see the two angels that took over for Lucifer after he gave up ruling Hell , and him meeting Lucifer on the beach, both of which happened much before the Lucifer solo book. . . The Lucifer Vertigo book has been entirely ignored. It's completely self-contained. Even Constantine, another Vertigo book, doesn't acknowledge it as far as I've seen. Lucifer's solo book references DCU things offhandedly a couple times, and gives nods to Gaiman's work left and right, but there isn't a single other title out there that has referenced Luficer, it's pretty much a completely self contained homage to Gaiman.

By tiers:

1. Primal Monitor/Presence/GEB
2. Source/Word/Voice/Wally/Synnar/God Swamp Thing/Carnivore
3. Michael/Lucifer/Nekron(?)
4. COiE Anti-Monitor/Mandrakk(depowered)/CA Supes(?)
5. Mxy/Radiant(?)/Spectre(w/ host)


? -- not sure

Originally posted by Juntai
Constantine hasn't been in the prime DCU for a very long time, however much like Sandman, his early stories were originally written as part of DC before the Vertigo imprint was created. Same with Swamp Thing.


The only parts of Luficer's story that exist in the DCU are the ones that appeared in Sandman, and the ones that appeared in DCU books like The Spectre where we see the two angels that took over for Lucifer after he gave up ruling Hell , and him meeting Lucifer on the beach, both of which happened much before the Lucifer solo book. . . The Lucifer Vertigo book has been entirely ignored. It's completely self-contained. Even Constantine, another Vertigo book, doesn't acknowledge it as far as I've seen. Lucifer's solo book references DCU things offhandedly a couple times, and gives nods to Gaiman's work left and right, but there isn't a single other title out there that has referenced Luficer, it's pretty much a completely self contained homage to Gaiman. good points.

on a sidenote, the only 'happenings' specific to DC that i can remember from lucifer's series were in issue #12. this is the issue which referenced both the source and the aleph.

Originally posted by occultdestroyer
By tiers:

1. Primal Monitor/Presence/GEB
2. Source/Word/Voice/Wally/Synnar/God Swamp Thing/Carnivore
3. Michael/Lucifer/Nekron(?)
4. COiE Anti-Monitor/Mandrakk(depowered)/CA Supes(?)
5. Mxy/Radiant(?)/Spectre(w/ host)


? -- not sure mandrakk/CA supes = 1.5 imo.

slightly below the 'true' supreme being(s) of DC, but WELL above everything else.

Originally posted by Galan007
good points.

on a sidenote, the only 'happenings' specific to DC that i can remember from lucifer's series were in issue #12. this is the issue which referenced both the source and the aleph.

mandrakk/CA supes = 1.5 imo.

slightly below the 'true' supreme being(s) of DC, but WELL above everything else. Even though they referenced the source that doesn't mean it happened in the dcu.

Originally posted by Juntai
Constantine hasn't been in the prime DCU for a very long time, however much like Sandman, his early stories were originally written as part of DC before the Vertigo imprint was created. Same with Swamp Thing.


The only parts of Luficer's story that exist in the DCU are the ones that appeared in Sandman, and the ones that appeared in DCU books like The Spectre where we see the two angels that took over for Lucifer after he gave up ruling Hell , and him meeting Lucifer on the beach, both of which happened much before the Lucifer solo book. . . The Lucifer Vertigo book has been entirely ignored. It's completely self-contained. Even Constantine, another Vertigo book, doesn't acknowledge it as far as I've seen. Lucifer's solo book references DCU things offhandedly a couple times, and gives nods to Gaiman's work left and right, but there isn't a single other title out there that has referenced Luficer, it's pretty much a completely self contained homage to Gaiman.

I agree, but that's why I said it happens in the realm of the DCU. I'd say Lucifer is apart of the DC Multiverse or Omniverse. However you want to look at it.

Also, the same way Madame Xanadu is self contained, BUT features the Phantom Stranger.

Originally posted by Prep-Man
I agree, but that's why I said it happens in the realm of the DCU. I'd say Lucifer is apart of the DC Multiverse or Omniverse. However you want to look at it. But his actions and the events contained in his own series are not.

Originally posted by iceman24567
What in the world is Starlin doing?

What he usually does. Keeps you waiting until the end and then throws egg on your face.

Originally posted by quanchi112
But his actions and the events contained in his own series are not.

I know that, but his character is still apart of DCU. Sandman and all.

Originally posted by Prep-Man
I know that, but his character is still apart of DCU. Sandman and all. Yes, his actions in the dcu are. None of his feats for his solo series can be referenced for the dcu Lucifer.

debating something else entirely.

Originally posted by Prep-Man
debating something else entirely. You can't use any feats from his story. i can live with that.

that's not what i'm saying for the billionth time.

Originally posted by Prep-Man
that's not what i'm saying for the billionth time. I already agreed lucifer from dcu is canon to the dcu. The whole vertigo lucifer is off limits.

i never said Vertigo Lucifer was cannon in the DCU to begin with. I don't think.

Originally posted by Prep-Man
i never said Vertigo Lucifer was cannon in the DCU to begin with. I don't think. It seems like you are still trying to say it is.

seems, but it's not.

Originally posted by Prep-Man
seems, but it's not. Ok, we agree his vertigo feats don't count.

sure, but that's not what i'm saying.

Originally posted by Prep-Man
sure, but that's not what i'm saying. I already explained everything. What are you disagreeing with?

I'm not disagreeing with you on anything, if you were paying attention.

Originally posted by Prep-Man
I'm not disagreeing with you on anything, if you were paying attention. You sure sounded like you were. Next time say I agree with you quan. They called me the voice of reason on herochat.

sounded, but it wasn't.

Originally posted by Prep-Man
sounded, but it wasn't. OK.

Good.

Originally posted by Prep-Man
Good. So when Lucifer is in a thread I guess the threadstarter should say dc or vertigo Lucifer. Don't you agree?

i've never seen it that way.

Originally posted by Prep-Man
i've never seen it that way. How do we know then what feats we can use if we don't do so?

it's up to the thread starter.

Originally posted by Prep-Man
it's up to the thread starter. That's why I said it should be explained in the opening post.

don't preach to me. PM the thread starter.

Originally posted by Prep-Man
don't preach to me. PM the thread starter. I was talking in general.

then you should PM the thread starter, in general.

Originally posted by Prep-Man
then you should PM the thread starter, in general. Well, until we know we can't just assume all dcu and vertigo feats count.

yeah, that's why you have to PM them, just to make extra sure.

Originally posted by Prep-Man
yeah, that's why you have to PM them, just to make extra sure. It doesn't bother me that much. I assume it's vertigo Lucifer.

It should be DCU Lucifer. Presence created Lucy and Michael.

Originally posted by Prep-Man
It should be DCU Lucifer. Presence created Lucy and Michael. No, the bulk of his feats, etc. are in his vertigo series. The vertigo presence created him.

yeah, but still use him. it's more interesting.

Originally posted by Prep-Man
yeah, but still use him. it's more interesting. What has Lucifer done that's really impressive in the dcu?

iirc he (and Michael) took a multiverse-bustin blast @ point blank with no prob

i'm talking more about the direction of the book and his character. a lot can be explored, but probably never will, for reasons at the end of his series.

Originally posted by SoulDevourer
iirc he (and Michael) took a multiverse-bustin blast @ point blank with no prob This is the same sort of argument that failed often times with Prime. Some believe he tanked a universal destroying blast and anything less cannot beat him. We later saw superboy scar him for life with a heatvision blast. It's inconsistent writing and we saw Michael defeated by far less than multiversal blasts.

In Lucifer's example it was a controlled detonation in which he knew he would survive. We also saw far less badly damage him.Originally posted by Prep-Man
i'm talking more about the direction of the book and his character. a lot can be explored, but probably never will, for reasons at the end of his series. I agree, but I liked the finality of it all.