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danger (sentient danger room AI)/guardian (heather)

vs

madison jefferies/superskrull

Originally posted by leonidas
danger (sentient danger room AI)/guardian (heather)

vs

madison jefferies/superskrull

Why didn't you put MJ/SS against the Mongoo... DL/whoever the other guy is...


Anyway... I'll say MJ/SS ftw.

How does one go about making a tourney?
What are the rules?
why did the last one get cancelled?

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
why did the last one get cancelled? Because someone single handidly tore it down... someone who likes Apocalypse...

Kitten

I want an unbiased, random environment and prep time. glare

Originally posted by SpunkySmurph
I want an unbiased, random environment and prep time. glare

I have a really cool Idea for a tourney, but i dont' know how the hell one starts, who picks teams or any of that stuff. I just wanna see someone do the tourney.

Doesn't Jeffries just transmute them?

Originally posted by Martian_mind
Doesn't Jeffries just transmute them? And then Super-Skull melts them...

Super Skrull wins seeing as he was over the caps and all.

Originally posted by Validus
Super Skrull wins seeing as he was over the caps and all. Nah...
It's just that Danger sucks balls...

It's so tempting to leak our tourney strategy...but I won't squeal...you'll get nothing out of me...nothing I tell you.

Anyway if we go by DL/TP's tourney rules then Danger/Guardian ftw.

Is this tournament style, where MJ cant transmute them or not? Also does he get Box or not? If he is in Box, he cannot transmute things other than his armor (its a limitation of his). If not, one attack and he would go down

If he does not get Box its going to be based on who attacks who first. Guardian could attack with a her "teleportation" move first (stopping her suit, and letting the Earth rotate under her, she has done this in close quarters and none of the others would be able to track her while she does it since she goes so fast) then go with a sonic based attack, a gravity attack, can create an invisible electromagnetic wall for them to run into, can actually shut down their brains (http://i47.photobucket.com/albums/f188/A_Flight5/alpha_flight_93_Mac.jpg ), her options are really versatile (she is basically Magneto lite with a few extra tricks). Or she can just choose all her options and do them at once:
http://i46.photobucket.com/albums/f130/A_Flight7/AlphaFlight120-18.jpg
http://i46.photobucket.com/albums/f130/A_Flight7/AlphaFlight120-19.jpg
Electromagnetic projectors, Down beam pulse, Flare, Ultrasound beam, Graviton beam, Concussion wave, and a Dispersal beam all into one lethal attack

Box has been taken down by a lightning strike in the past. If he gets the power to transmute them, Guardian knows him intimately and would do the teleportation move so he cant get a fix on her then strike him:
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v118/Nidaime-Sama/Alpha_Flight_v1_090_03.jpg

Also for Danger, she knows how to take down anyone who has ever used the Danger Room (since she herself is the danger room). Meaning telekinetics, meaning that if she gets basic knowledge of him then she should be able to protect herself from MJ. Besides, being that she was the danger room, she should be able to create holographic images and confuse the two.

and EC, I didnt think leaking our strategy would have good either, so I took this crazy route

Man NO ONE would have been prepared for it

Originally posted by Blair Wind
Man NO ONE would have been prepared for it

It was so brilliant and ingenious that I think they would have disqualified us on the first round, just out of spite.

Originally posted by ExodusCloak
It's so tempting to leak our tourney strategy...but I won't squeal...you'll get nothing out of me...nothing I tell you.

Anyway if we go by DL/TP's tourney rules then Danger/Guardian ftw. Who cares?
The tourney is done.
Originally posted by Blair Wind
Is this tournament style, where MJ cant transmute them or not? Also does he get Box or not? If he is in Box, he cannot transmute things other than his armor (its a limitation of his). If not, one attack and he would go down

If he does not get Box its going to be based on who attacks who first. Guardian could attack with a her "teleportation" move first (stopping her suit, and letting the Earth rotate under her, she has done this in close quarters and none of the others would be able to track her while she does it since she goes so fast) then go with a sonic based attack, a gravity attack, can create an invisible electromagnetic wall for them to run into, can actually shut down their brains (http://i47.photobucket.com/albums/f188/A_Flight5/alpha_flight_93_Mac.jpg ), her options are really versatile (she is basically Magneto lite with a few extra tricks). Or she can just choose all her options and do them at once:
http://i46.photobucket.com/albums/f130/A_Flight7/AlphaFlight120-18.jpg
http://i46.photobucket.com/albums/f130/A_Flight7/AlphaFlight120-19.jpg
Electromagnetic projectors, Down beam pulse, Flare, Ultrasound beam, Graviton beam, Concussion wave, and a Dispersal beam all into one lethal attack

Box has been taken down by a lightning strike in the past. If he gets the power to transmute them, Guardian knows him intimately and would do the teleportation move so he cant get a fix on her then strike him:
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v118/Nidaime-Sama/Alpha_Flight_v1_090_03.jpg

Also for Danger, she knows how to take down anyone who has ever used the Danger Room (since she herself is the danger room). Meaning telekinetics, meaning that if she gets basic knowledge of him then she should be able to protect herself from MJ. Besides, being that she was the danger room, she should be able to create holographic images and confuse the two.

and EC, I didnt think leaking our strategy would have good either, so I took this crazy route

Man NO ONE would have been prepared for it Wait... you actually got her in?
Meh, doesn't matter anymore...

So, she does all this while Super-Skrull is just standing around doing nothing?
Weird...

When did this turn into Danger/Guardian vs MJ?

Also, is that why she took down the X-Men?

Ironman could do basically the same things. I dont people realize how versatile Ironman is himself

Besides, MJ is the more immediate threat. The electromagnetic invisible wall/Sonics/Neural Jamming should take care of SS

Beast was smarter (plot device but whatever) and Xavier was an unknown since he never used the danger room (how he would use the others, not in his powers at least)

Originally posted by Blair Wind
Ironman could do basically the same things. I dont people realize how versatile Ironman is himself

Besides, MJ is the more immediate threat. The electromagnetic invisible wall/Sonics/Neural Jamming should take care of SS

Beast was smarter (plot device but whatever) and Xavier was an unknown since he never used the danger room (how he would use the others, not in his powers at least)

How would you say SS and MJ's reflexes compare to one/two(Not sure which version of Guardian they allowed us?) super computer brained being/s?

Sucks we didn't get to draft our final two characters But knowing our luck it would have sparked even more controversy

Originally posted by Blair Wind
Ironman could do basically the same things. I dont people realize how versatile Ironman is himself

agreed.

as far as the match -- danger is such a complete unknown it was impossible for me to say. i was gonna get the books she was in before the matches were set to start. alas . . .

Originally posted by leonidas
agreed.

as far as the match -- danger is such a complete unknown it was impossible for me to say. i was gonna get the books she was in before the matches were set to start. alas . . .

Here you go, it's the "Dangerous" Arc, but you'll probably want to read the "Gifted" arc to understand what the heck is going on:

http://www.killermovies.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=419639

Originally posted by ExodusCloak
How would you say SS and MJ's reflexes compare to one/two(Not sure which version of Guardian they allowed us?) super computer brained being/s?

Sucks we didn't get to draft are final two characters But knowing our luck it would have sparked even more controversy I don't know about MJ, but SS... pretty damn good actually...
http://img471.imageshack.us/img471/9987/img013lb1.th.jpg

Who, Silver Surfer?


Also, is Guardian immune to being hypnotized?

Originally posted by bigbran
Also, is Guardian immune to being hypnotized?

Sometimes, the one time it did work was with Mesmero and he directly commented he was losing control of her for some unknown reason mostly due to her will.

Originally posted by bigbran
I don't know about MJ, but SS... pretty damn good actually...
http://img471.imageshack.us/img471/9987/img013lb1.th.jpg

Who, Silver Surfer?


Also, is Guardian immune to being hypnotized?

Nice, but as a super computer Danger can process multiple actions and similtaneously prepare for multiple attacks. If you look at the scan she's preped Psi-Blockers/Shadowcats Phasing and Emma's TP etc.

http://img167.imageshack.us/img167/8376/untitledscanned09oo2.jpg

I suppose I should add the page before that:

http://img167.imageshack.us/img167/1262/untitledscanned08uw0.jpg

Not entirely sure which Guardian we got. In any case, you'll probably have to ask Mungi or BW.

Originally posted by King_Mungi
Sometimes, the one time it did work was with Mesmero and he directly commented he was losing control of her for some unknown reason mostly due to her will.

Would this be Guardian Pre-Upgrade or Post-Upgrade?

Originally posted by ExodusCloak
Here you go, it's the "Dangerous" Arc, but you'll probably want to read the "Gifted" arc to understand what the heck is going on:

http://www.killermovies.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=419639

cool.

thanks.

ps--you're now officially back in my 'good book'.

i always thought danger was a bit overrated... spontaneity proved to be her undoing most of the time, and that's something organic beings (like skrull and jeffries) imo would easily be capable of...

Originally posted by ExodusCloak

Would this be Guardian Pre-Upgrade or Post-Upgrade?

Neither, James Hudson was banned as he was over the caps in many areas. They got Heather Hudson, and she was the one who's will was fighting against Mesmero and a few others trained and failed.

Originally posted by ExodusCloak
Nice, but as a super computer Danger can process multiple actions and similtaneously prepare for multiple attacks. If you look at the scan she's preped Psi-Blockers/Shadowcats Phasing and Emma's TP etc.

http://img167.imageshack.us/img167/8376/untitledscanned09oo2.jpg
You think that's because she is basically the Danger Room?

How is she going to prepare like that for Super-Skrull?

Also, that was just to show his reflexes, since you asked about it.
Here is another good showing of his reflexes:
http://img81.imageshack.us/img81/5046/img022vt7.th.jpg

Notice what hand he hit him with also?

Super Skrull FTW!

Originally posted by pr1983
i always thought danger was a bit overrated... spontaneity proved to be her undoing most of the time, and that's something organic beings (like skrull and jeffries) imo would easily be capable of...

Well Danger was never our first choice, she was our third, but consider an individual with her powerset fighting under DL/TP tourney rules.(One rule in particular works in our favour, if I make it too obvious it'll give the entire strategy away.)

I know it's a bio but it'd clarify a few things about her powerset.
http://img141.imageshack.us/my.php?image=05streetsamuraidcp14ba0.jpg


Originally posted by bigbran
You think that's because she is basically the Danger Room?

How is she going to prepare like that for Super-Skrull?

Also, that was just to show his reflexes, since you asked about it.
Here is another good showing of his reflexes:
http://img81.imageshack.us/img81/5046/img022vt7.th.jpg

Notice what hand he hit him with also?

Well the scan was just to show how fast she can process and carry out actions:

Here's the page before that one:

http://img141.imageshack.us/my.php?image=05streetsamuraidcp14ba0.jpg

The Danger Room has been shown on multiple occasions to alter the gravity in the room and replicate the powers of an array of evil mutants Magneto and his Acolytes, The Hellfire Club, The Brotherhood of Evil mutants, Sinister, The maruaders, the Shiar Imperial Guard and even the X-Men themselves. Heck even the Hulk has been replicated.(Note*- The powers aren't being duplicated/copied, they're being replicated via tech) That's probably enough variety and fire power to take down Super Skrull. . The best part being she has the knowledge on how to use these replicated powers to their fullest extent.

The SS feats are good. Well the second scan is better then the first one IMO, but you're talking about the processing speed of a being who has above average/super reflexes to a super computer capable of computing and carrying multiple actions similtaneously.

Originally posted by ExodusCloak
Well Danger was never our first choice, she was our third, but consider an individual with her powerset fighting under DL/TP tourney rules.(One rule in particular works in our favour, if I make it too obvious it'll give the entire strategy away.)

I know it's a bio but it'd clarify a few things about her powerset.
http://img141.imageshack.us/my.php?image=05streetsamuraidcp14ba0.jpg




Well the scan was just to show how fast she can process and carry out actions:

Here's the page before that one:

http://img141.imageshack.us/my.php?image=05streetsamuraidcp14ba0.jpg

Considering she can deal with Colossus I'd say she The Things strength factor is nullified.

The Danger Room has been shown on multiple occasions to alter the gravity in the room and replicate the powers of an array of evil mutants Magneto and his Acolytes, The Hellfire Club, The Brotherhood of Evil mutants, Sinister, The maruaders, the Shiar Imperial Guard and even the X-Men themselves. Heck even the Hulk has been replicated. That's probably enough variety and fire power to take down Super Skrull. . The best part being she has the knowledge on how to use these replicated powers to their fullest extent.

The feats are good and well. Well the second scan is better then the first one IMO, but you're talking about the processing speed of a being who has above average super reflexes to a super computer capable of computing and carrying multiple actions similtaneously.

Nice vB code editing...

Now:

We had other choices as well, but I won't say what they were, mostly for our own pride. I don't think anybody got exactly what they wanted. But... what we have is still enough to win this match. doped

She can process and carry out actions against people who's capabilities she knows inside and out... that doesn't work with either of our picks. Notice when she's processing multiple actions, all she's doing is basically pulling up files and automatically engaging contingency plans to deal with these people that she's programmed to defeat.

Different scenario here.

Also, Madison Jeffries served as the Danger Room for Alpha Flight, and had to simultaneously fight each member accordingly. Does this mean his mind is a super computer capable of insta-reactions too?

Considering that Colossus > Thing is EASILY debateable, and that SS > Thing, the point is null.

But she doesn't have knowledge on which powers to use for which people... and I doubt she's exhibited each possible powers of each of the aforementioned people to their absolute fullest. So far, all you've offered is speculation.

Already addressed that... also, do we get the prep time? And what is the environment?

Originally posted by ExodusCloak
Well the scan was just to show how fast she can process and carry out actions:

Here's the page before that one:

http://img141.imageshack.us/my.php?image=05streetsamuraidcp14ba0.jpg

Considering she can deal with Colossus I'd say she The Things strength factor is nullified.

The Danger Room has been shown on multiple occasions to alter the gravity in the room and replicate the powers of an array of evil mutants Magneto and his Acolytes, The Hellfire Club, The Brotherhood of Evil mutants, Sinister, The maruaders, the Shiar Imperial Guard and even the X-Men themselves. That's probably enough variety and fire power to take down Super Skrull. .

The feats and good and well. Well the second scan is better then the first one IMO, but you're talking about the processing speed of a being who has above average reflexes to a super computer capable of computing multiple actions in a very short time span. OK, good. But you made it seem like she is going to have a bunch of backups for Supe-Skrull's powers, like she did Emma...

Umm... it's not just Thing's strength she would be fighting though. IW's shields, Human Torch, Reed's elastic abilities...

But has Danger herself ever shown this?

How fast do you think a Silver Surfer can process information?
http://img206.imageshack.us/img206/6867/silversurfer198902508ik2.th.jpg

Originally posted by SpunkySmurph
Nice vB code editting...

Now:

We had other choices as well, but I won't say what they were, mostly for our own pride. I don't think anybody got exactly what they wanted. But... what we have is still enough to win this match. doped

She can process and carry out actions against people who's capabilities she knows inside and out... that doesn't work with either of our picks. Notice when she's processing multiple actions, all she's doing is basically pulling up files and automatically engaging contingency plans to deal with these people that she's programmed to defeat.

Different scenario here.

Also, Madison Jeffries served as the Danger Room for Alpha Flight, and had to simultaneously fight each member accordingly. Does this mean his mind is a sumper computer capable of insta-reactions too?

But she doesn't have knowledge on which powers to use for which people... and I doubt she's exhibited each possible powers of each of the aformentioned people to their absolute fullest. So far, all you've offered is speculation.

Already addressed that... also, do we get the prep time? And what is the environment?

If you look at the scan she similtaneously carried out 7 actions in the same time frame.


If there's doubt about the Danger Room gaving Computer Speed thought processing then this should clarify the "speculation":

http://img141.imageshack.us/my.php?image=05streetsamuraidcp14ba0.jpg

Danger also exhibited the ability to read thoughts:

http://img167.imageshack.us/img167/6350/untitledscanned06ap9.jpg

So knowing the powersets of her opponents should be to hard.

And again, she still has a multiple array of powers from X-baddies and X-Men that she could replicate.

Originally posted by bigbran
OK, good. But you made it seem like she is going to have a bunch of backups for Supe-Skrull's powers, like she did Emma...

Umm... it's not just Thing's strength she would be fighting though. IW's shields, Human Torch, Reed's elastic abilities...

But has Danger herself ever shown this?

How fast do you think a Silver Surfer can process information?
http://img206.imageshack.us/img206/6867/silversurfer198902508ik2.th.jpg

I forgot to add on to that. Jeans TK, Sunfires Fire, And can't really think about any X-Man with Reeds powers but a tractor beam should do the trick there.

http://img167.imageshack.us/img167/7240/untitledscanned07eg2.jpg

Danger is the Danger Room. All Danger Room feats are hers. Her body is comprised of the same Shiar tech as the Danger Room itself.

The scan involving the fight with Silver Surfer is equavilent to the argument of Thor has Over Light Speed Reflexes because he had a fight with Gladiator. The Silver Surfer travels at speeds beyond that of light. You couldn't possibly be suggesting that Super Skrulls = that of Silver Surfer. In that case the argument that just because Super Skrull fought Silver Surfer means that he has Super Reflexes can't be used. Hasn't the Hulk fought Silver Surfer?

Originally posted by ExodusCloak
If you look at the scan she similtaneously carried out 7 actions in the same time frame.


If there's doubt about the Danger Room gaving Computer Speed thought processing then this should clarify the "speculation":

http://img141.imageshack.us/my.php?image=05streetsamuraidcp14ba0.jpg

Danger also exhibited the ability to read thoughts:

http://img167.imageshack.us/img167/6350/untitledscanned06ap9.jpg

So knowing the powersets of her opponents should be to hard.

And again, she still has a multiple array of powers from X-baddies and X-Men that she could replicate.


She carried out 7 pre-programmed actions at the same time. Not hard. It's like looking off a list a pressing whatever button it says. Again, different scenario.

It says it can carry out multipile actions at once... but that doesn't mean she knows automatically which actions to take and how to deal with any scenario.

More powerful telepaths have failed to read Madison Jeffries mind, and I won't address reading SS's mind until my other question is answered.

Just look at my former post for the response to her "replicating powers"...

Originally posted by ExodusCloak
I forgot to add on to that. Jeans TK, Sunfires Fire, And can't really think about any X-Man with Reeds powers but a tractor beam should do the trick there.

http://img167.imageshack.us/img167/7240/untitledscanned07eg2.jpg

Danger is the Danger Room. All Danger Room feats are hers. Her body is comprised of the same Shiar tech as the Danger Room itself.

The scan involving the fight with Silver Surfer is equavilent to the argument of Thor has Over Light Speed Reflexes because he had a fight with Gladiator. The Silver Surfer travels at speeds beyond that of light. You couldn't possibly be suggesting that Super Skrulls = that of Silver Surfer. In that case the argument that just because Super Skrull fought Silver Surfer means that he has Super Reflexes can't be used. Hasn't the Hulk fought Silver Surfer? Is that supposed to beat Super-Skrull?

So basically what you're saying is... that Danger can mimic Magneto's powers?

I just showed him reacting to Surfer is all. It was a reaction, it wasn't him traveling at the speed of light. You asked how good his reactions were, and I showed you.
Hell, here is another one:
http://img412.imageshack.us/img412/369/silversurferv3105p17rs4.th.jpg

Umm... when Hulk fought Surfer, Surfer basically let him pound on him to no effect, and when Surfer used his speed... Hulk was nothing... not the same...

Originally posted by SpunkySmurph
She carried out 7 pre-programmed actions at the same time. Not hard. It's like looking off a list a pressing whatever button it says. Again, different scenario.

It says it can carry out multipile actions at once... but that doesn't mean she knows automatically which actions to take and how to deal with any scenario.

More powerful telepaths have failed to read Madison Jeffries mind, and I won't address reading SS's mind until my other question is answered.

Just look at my former post for the response to her "replicating powers"...

The DR generates images at 300 gigabytes per second. If that's not fast then I don't know what is.

I didn't create the thread so I'm not sure about the prep thing or the enviroment. I've been debating without it.

Since there's no mention of prep has MJ ever cloaked his thoughts when he wasn't using any tech?

Well if she can read SS's mind then she will now which powers to use. The DR is good enough to replicate Magnetos shield which is capabel of blocking multiple attacks from a group of the X-Men. Maybe fullest was an exaggeration but that's more then enough. Then there's always BW's strategy of creating multiple hard light constructs to confuse SS and Madison.

And we're forgetting Guardian in this whole thing as well.
Originally posted by bigbran
Is that supposed to beat Super-Skrull?

So basically what you're saying is... that Danger can mimic Magneto's powers?

I just showed him reacting to Surfer is all. It was a reaction, it wasn't him traveling at the speed of light. You asked how good his reactions were, and I showed you.
Hell, here is another one:
http://img412.imageshack.us/img412/369/silversurferv3105p17rs4.th.jpg

Umm... when Hulk fought Surfer, Surfer basically let him pound on him to no effect, and when Surfer used his speed... Hulk was nothing... not the same...

I'm saying since she is the Danger Room and is made of the same Shiar technology as the Danger Room. And the Danger Room has replicated Magneto's, Icemans, Jeans, Cyclops, Angel, Beast, Hulk, Shiar Imperial Guard, The Hellfire Club, etc She would have a wide variety of options to choose from. That's without prep.

The problem with the Surfer scan is that you have no idea how fast he was flying. You have Surfer do a loop de loop and blast Super Skrull. And then Skrull returns the favour. You've already established that Super Skrull has super reaction speeds. Surfer does a loop de loop and blasts Skrull. Now how fast was Surfer moving?(Obviously not at top speed) How fast did Surfer raise his arm to blast Super Skrull? It's just very unclear when you have Super Skrull take on beings with lesser reaction times like the Fantastic Four.

Originally posted by ExodusCloak

Since there's no mention of prep has MJ ever cloaked his thoughts when he wasn't using any tech?


Yeah, against Cable

Originally posted by King_Mungi
Yeah, against Cable

This? Isn't that tech?

http://i35.photobucket.com/albums/d187/A_Flight/weapon_x_v1_012_19_rougher.jpg
http://i35.photobucket.com/albums/d187/A_Flight/weapon_x_v1_012_23_rougher.jpg

BTW (Add on to previous post) If we go by prep...I'm not sure if these two could do it because they only bring half the equation to the table. The team we drafted for the tourney complimented each others abilities. So in actual fact you would need all 4 characters on the team to actually pull off the tourney win.

Obviously if we go by KMC rules then Madison would just morph both the Guardian Suit and Danger into anything he wants. But then again I'm not sure what will become of Dangers sentinent mind with her being a technomorph of her own and all.

Originally posted by ExodusCloak
This? Isn't that tech?

http://i35.photobucket.com/albums/d187/A_Flight/weapon_x_v1_012_19_rougher.jpg
http://i35.photobucket.com/albums/d187/A_Flight/weapon_x_v1_012_23_rougher.jpg

Nope, as the other times he stopped telepathy was when he was completly merged with the Box armor. Here Jeffries just made a suit, not knowing who was fighting and had no idea what they were capable of. That suit by no way was a tp blocker.

Originally posted by leonidas
agreed.



Man. People complain when they see a compilation of powers or uses that a person can have, and unless they can do "one" thing they are over Mid-Tier. Yet Ironman's (who was used as a cap) suit allows him to do more than just a repulsar blast coughehemJustlikeGuardiancough.

Anyways Guardian/Danger FTW

how is danger gonna handle IW's shields? what about a shield with spikes on the inside that crushes him and jabs him? or a shield that is expanded from within him?

Originally posted by leonidas
how is danger gonna handle IW's shields? what about a shield with spikes on the inside that crushes him and jabs him? or a shield that is expanded from within him?

you mean spikes inside her body? Same way she would deal with Kitty (rerouting circuitry). Shields? She can TP him. Or Guardian can do the neural stopping trick, and his brain goes bye bye.

Or Guardian just uses Sonics. Everyone can hear

Originally posted by Blair Wind
you mean spikes inside her body? Same way she would deal with Kitty (rerouting circuitry). Shields? She can TP him. Or Guardian can do the neural stopping trick, and his brain goes bye bye.

Or Guardian just uses Sonics. Everyone can hear

That's all based on the assumption that Skrull physiology isn't completely different to human physiology ... but it is.

i still have trouble thinking of danger being all right if sue blows him up from the inside.

Originally posted by leonidas


i still have trouble thinking of danger being all right if sue blows him up from the inside.

Thing is in DL's/TP's tourney TK was limited. Bubble in the brain/body tactics etc were banned. So if we're going by DP/TP's rules it shouldn't really matter. Come to think of it the Shiar did have mind armour that blocked the Phoenix's TK and Danger being Shiar tech herself and having access to all of Xavier's/X-Men data could mean something. However since the tactic wasn't viable in the tourney I guess we leave it as that. But if we're going by KMC rules then it's another story.

This seems like the tourny being played out in small pieces. If the interest is this high, why not just redo the tourney and let all the byegones be byegones.

Seems to me that, if Jeffries can get the drop on Danger, he can neutralize her while Superskrull draws Heather's fire. Then, Jeffries merely has to transmute the Guardian suit into a harmless piece of clothing.

Guardians attack can be more omni-directional in terms of the EM spectrum (sonics, walls, gravity effects, ect)