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Wow...

Prisoners these days are living better then most people who aren't in prison...

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austria

feckin weak

my goal now in life is to commit a crime near that place

I love all that.

"Prisoners have it easy.".

Yes, I'm sure it makes it that much easier being confined for many years, away from freedom, friends and family.

Besides, that's hardly the standard of prisons is it?

-AC

Nice.

Its still a prison.

Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
I love all that.

"Prisoners have it easy.".

Yes, I'm sure it makes it that much easier being confined for many years, away from freedom, friends and family.

Besides, that's hardly the standard of prisons is it?

-AC

Some should have thought about that when they shot Ol' Johnny Boy in the face. And Johnny Boy won't be seen by friends and family ever again... but Big Road Dog will...

Awesome. Who says prisons have to look bad. I think its a great idea.

they need a go-kart track

Originally posted by AngryManatee
they need a go-kart track

No.

They need real cars.

The Government demands it

I'm not an expert, but I'm assuming the ammenities are not that much different than other low-secuirity prisons. Just because people see modern design they magically think its something special.

Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
I love all that.

"Prisoners have it easy.".

Yes, I'm sure it makes it that much easier being confined for many years, away from freedom, friends and family.

Besides, that's hardly the standard of prisons is it?

-AC

its not so much "having it easy" thats the problem...look at te things that prisoners are supplied with that costs me and you money...the main examples being snooker and pool tables...gym facilities...some even get playstations at a subsidised cost

surely they need some kind on incentive not to go back to prison...and i dont think facilities like that help.

Treating prisoners like people does no one harm if the aim is rehabilitation. It's likely prisons such as the one highlighted will be less violent inside and who knows perhaps the burden of repair cost where purposeful damage has been caused will be reduced. I think your average prisoner will think twice about rubbing his faeces around his "cell" if it looks like a less like a cell. As AC said they are still "prisoners" with "freedom" denied. I thought that was the punishment, not being dehumanised.

-FO!!

Originally posted by Flame On!!
Treating prisoners like people does no one harm if the aim is rehabilitation. It's likely prisons such as the one highlighted will be less violent inside and who knows perhaps the burden of repair cost where purposeful damage has been caused will be reduced. I think your average prisoner will think twice about rubbing his faeces around his "cell" if it looks like a less like a cell. As AC said they are still "prisoners" with "freedom" denied. I thought that was the punishment, not being dehumanised.

-FO!!

Originally posted by Flame On!!
Treating prisoners like people does no one harm if the aim is rehabilitation. It's likely prisons such as the one highlighted will be less violent inside and who knows perhaps the burden of repair cost where purposeful damage has been caused will be reduced. I think your average prisoner will think twice about rubbing his faeces around his "cell" if it looks like a less like a cell. As AC said they are still "prisoners" with "freedom" denied. I thought that was the punishment, not being dehumanised.

-FO!!

i hardly think that not giving them luxuries is dehumanising them though is it? perhaps it stops the boredom and thus the prepensity for violence in the prison but then if some thought were put into other methods that rehabilitation wise, were more constructive. then that too would stop the outbursts that many prisons saw in the 80's.

the detention part is more for society than it is the punishment for the prisoner...hence the uproar that many offenders are now being "punished" in the community...ala with electronic tags and community service orders.

the best programme i've seen employed in prisons was the drug programmes to get many offenders off heroin...the irony was that some prisoners were due for release before they finished the programme and begged to be kept in prison otherwise they would go back to drug abuse and the offending to fund it...despite that they were released...

to bad prisoners still have to worry about the gang hierarcy which rules prison life. Sure that prison is up to date and looks fairly pretty, but the bottom feading criminals that will fill it's walls will still make it undesirable to be in prison. Which it should be. It doesnt matter how comforting your prison cell is, it is still prison. The thing that makes prison prison is not brick cells, but the fact that you have your freedom stripped away

Originally posted by jaden101
the detention part is more for society than it is the punishment for the prisoner...hence the uproar that many offenders are now being "punished" in the community...ala with electronic tags and community service orders.


I agree in the U.K. overcrowding is a joke and many prisoners should be punished in other ways. Prison is about the removal of liberty. That's what prisoner and prisoner means.

Word History: The word prison can be traced back to the Latin word prnsi, "the action or power of making an arrest." This in turn is derived from the verb prehendere or prndere, which meant "to take hold of, take into custody, arrest." Prnsi then surfaces in the Old French of the 12th century with the form prison and the senses "capture" and "place of imprisonment." This new sense could have already been developed in Latin and not been recorded, but we have to wait until the 12th century to see it, the sense "captivity" being added in the same century. From Old French as well as the Medieval Latin word priso, "prison," derived from Old French, came our Middle English word prisoun, first recorded in a work written before 1121 in the sense "imprisonment." The sense "place of imprisonment" is recorded shortly afterward in a text copied down before 1225 but perhaps actually written in the Old English period before the Norman Conquest.

http://www.thefreedictionary.com/prison

Discussion over.

-FO!!

Originally posted by ragesRemorse
to bad prisoners still have to worry about the gang hierarcy which rules prison life. Sure that prison is up to date and looks fairly pretty, but the bottom feading criminals that will fill it's walls will still make it undesirable to be in prison. Which it should be. It doesnt matter how comforting your prison cell is, it is still prison. The thing that makes prison prison is not brick cells, but the fact that you have your freedom stripped away

He's playing freaking table tennis! Who gives a damn about gang hierachy when there is table tennis? You gotta get ready for the tournament!

Originally posted by Alliance
Just because people see modern design they magically think its something special.

it is still a prison.

Originally posted by jaden101
i hardly think that not giving them luxuries is dehumanising them though is it? perhaps it stops the boredom and thus the prepensity for violence in the prison but then if some thought were put into other methods that rehabilitation wise, were more constructive. then that too would stop the outbursts that many prisons saw in the 80's.

the detention part is more for society than it is the punishment for the prisoner...hence the uproar that many offenders are now being "punished" in the community...ala with electronic tags and community service orders.

the best programme i've seen employed in prisons was the drug programmes to get many offenders off heroin...the irony was that some prisoners were due for release before they finished the programme and begged to be kept in prison otherwise they would go back to drug abuse and the offending to fund it...despite that they were released...

I agree.

Not giving them luxuries is not dehumanising them. Most of those guys in there probably never lived like that a day of their life. That would probably be the best they will ever too. I read an article a while back that some people are so use to being in jail that they actually commit crimes to go back because they can't handle the life on the outside. Like I said before, these guys look like they live better the most people who actually bust their ass to make a living.

Originally posted by JaehSkywalker
it is still a prison.

Nobody (At Least I'm Not) is saying it isn't.

But you have to think about someone who tortures kids manipulating prison officials into thinking he's a changed man and gets moved to the new building where he can play Playstation 2, Xbox, Watch TV, Go Swimming Have and Tennis Tournaments. Then he gets out and get caught 2 years later doing the same thing he got put in for...

I'm not saying all those guys are that bad but people can be very manipulative.

Prison should be about realizing what 'you' did wrong and being rehabilitated , it shouldn't be luxuriously comfortable... Things like table tennis, in-room televisions and video games are little more than rewards for those not deserving rewards.

The money spent on the fancy tables, beds, televisions, game counsels etc. should have been spent on (more) education, counseling and skill proficiencies.

Now I kind of want to get arrested...

Originally posted by Naz
Now I kind of want to get arrested...

I don't think the fancy amenities rule out that you won't/couldn't be anally raped; might want to reconsider.

Originally posted by Ana P


But you have to think about someone who tortures kids manipulating prison officials into thinking he's a changed man and gets moved to the new building where he can play Playstation 2, Xbox, Watch TV, Go Swimming Have and Tennis Tournaments. Then he gets out and get caught 2 years later doing the same thing he got put in for...

I'm not saying all those guys are that bad but people can be very manipulative.

So which bit is the bad bit? The playing Xbox, or the doing it again?

Or did you just tack two arguments together?

Originally posted by Ana P
Some should have thought about that when they shot Ol' Johnny Boy in the face. And Johnny Boy won't be seen by friends and family ever again... but Big Road Dog will...

Then that implies a flaw in the prison SYSTEM. It has nothing to do with the actual buildings.

If they're stuck in the place forever, why does it matter what they do in there?

-AC

Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
Then that implies a flaw in the prison SYSTEM. It has nothing to do with the actual buildings.

If they're stuck in the place forever, why does it matter what they do in there?

-AC

Exactly.

-FO!!

Originally posted by Victor Von Doom
So which bit is the bad bit? The playing Xbox, or the doing it again?

Or did you just tack two arguments together?

Kinda missed the point...

Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
Then that implies a flaw in the prison SYSTEM. It has nothing to do with the actual buildings.

If they're stuck in the place forever, why does it matter what they do in there?

-AC

I didn't say there was anything wrong with the buildings.

If anything I'm implying that there is something wrong with the system.

Originally posted by chithappens
He's playing freaking table tennis! Who gives a damn about gang hierachy when there is table tennis? You gotta get ready for the tournament!

I bet you give a damn about what gang claims that table as THIER table.

That has got to be the WORST prison ever made.

All the inmate has to do is break a window and he escapes...

...then again, who would want to escape sucha a nice looking building?

Not only that...but when you think about it...the State is been an ass-hole here...hard working people who get up early in the morning to work for 12hrs a day..to put food on the table and have to live in a shitty apartment complex...because they can't afford a nice looking building get the short end of the stick . Whereas these miserable criminal scumbags get to live there?

Damn! Something is wrong here with the state. How about building that kind of architeture for the proletariats whom supplying capital for society and not for the vice?

But not all is at it may seem....I'm willing to give the benefit of the doubt that this kind of prison is for those rich folks who broke the law and their lawyers made a bargain with the judge. Rich folks can afford justice.

Making a prison like that is absolutely unnecessary. It's supposed to be a place to suffer for your crimes and take time to think about how to avoid the same bad decisions, not live it up like movie star.

Originally posted by Ana P
Kinda missed the point...





Maybe because there wasn't one.

Unless you'd like to enlighten us?

Originally posted by King Nothing
Making a prison like that is absolutely unnecessary. It's supposed to be a place to suffer for your crimes and take time to think about how to avoid the same bad decisions, not live it up like movie star.

Its still prison. No matter the surroundings, the peeople populating the comforting surroundings are still prisoners. They will make life undesirable. Criminals dont know how to function in society in a civilized manner. every prisons society is that of a criminal gang hierarcy. No prison is is a desirable place to be. It is like going through the ghetto of a city. It doesnt matter what city you are visiting, every ghetto looks the same. Poverty stricken people whom leach off of the government for their living needs and have no respect for their surroundings dont know how to maintain a flourishing community. all they know is trash littered streets, with drug infested neighbors who turn to crime as their lifestyle.

If you give a poor community wealth, they will turn the wealth into trash. The same thing goes for prisoners. You have to realize self respect, and you have to earn the better things in life to appreciate them. Just because the better things in life are given to you doesnt mean you know how to appreciate them. I would be more concerned about where the money to fund this prison came from. I could care less about the actuall furnishings. why would you? The prisoners will not know how to appreciate these things

However, if this new prison facility is able to help a few prisoners rehabilitate themselves and become functional citizens of society, isnt that worth it?

Originally posted by Victor Von Doom
Maybe because there wasn't one.

Unless you'd like to enlighten us?

Who is "us"

You're the only one asking.

I'm just saying people will abush the system. They might protend they've changed only to live luxurious during there stay in prison only to go out and do the same thing they got put in for.

Some people do that. Some people can't handle life outside of a prison and do things to get themselves back in. And this isn't helping that.

Why is it any different from a normal low security prison?

Originally posted by Ana P
Who is "us"

You're the only one asking.

I'm just saying people will abush the system. They might protend they've changed only to live luxurious during there stay in prison only to go out and do the same thing they got put in for.

Some people do that. Some people can't handle life outside of a prison and do things to get themselves back in. And this isn't helping that.

You're talking crap.

You claimed 'child torturers' will pretend they've changed, move there, play Xbox, then go out and do it again.

That's not going to happen, is it? What does any of this have to do with a 'luxurious' prison?

It's clearly just a hysterical thought you vomited up because you don't like the idea of this building.

Originally posted by WrathfulDwarf
That has got to be the WORST prison ever made.

All the inmate has to do is break a window and he escapes...

...then again, who would want to escape sucha a nice looking building?

Not only that...but when you think about it...the State is been an ass-hole here...hard working people who get up early in the morning to work for 12hrs a day..to put food on the table and have to live in a shitty apartment complex...because they can't afford a nice looking building get the short end of the stick . Whereas these miserable criminal scumbags get to live there?

Damn! Something is wrong here with the state. How about building that kind of architeture for the proletariats whom supplying capital for society and not for the vice?

But not all is at it may seem....I'm willing to give the benefit of the doubt that this kind of prison is for those rich folks who broke the law and their lawyers made a bargain with the judge. Rich folks can afford justice.

How about we keep in mind that it's still a prison? Would that be ok? I'd live in a shitty apartment with all the freedoms of...well...freedom, than in a really nice prison for multiple years, possibly for good.

Would you choose that prison over a shitty apartment? No, don't act like you would.

-AC

They sure as hell better watch their asses now, with the fab five decorating.

That place looks AWESOME.

No need to work
Own little hotel looking room.
3 meals a day prepared for you.
recreational games and a gym.

Freedom is overrated, most people don't even leave the town they are born in.

Originally posted by Robtard
Prison should be about realizing what 'you' did wrong and being rehabilitated , it shouldn't be luxuriously comfortable... Things like table tennis, in-room televisions and video games are little more than rewards for those not deserving rewards.

The money spent on the fancy tables, beds, televisions, game counsels etc. should have been spent on (more) education, counseling and skill proficiencies.

exactly.

Originally posted by Victor Von Doom
You're talking crap.

You claimed 'child torturers' will pretend they've changed, move there, play Xbox, then go out and do it again.

That's not going to happen, is it? What does any of this have to do with a 'luxurious' prison?

It's clearly just a hysterical thought you vomited up because you don't like the idea of this building.

I was using that as an example.

There are some people who can't (or don't want to) get accustomed to life outside of prison because they are so use to that type of life on the inside. This prison having all of these great things isn't helping the fact the some people actually enjoy themselves while locked up. This is usually a result of from being in and out of jail for years.

You can think whatever you want and I couldn't care any less. But I think you're taking this a little too personal. If you're looking for a fight I'm not the one to come to because you're just going to be talking to a brick wall if you continue. I have no interest in getting into E-Fights with people over the Internet. Especially not over some prison discussion.

if all you people want out of life is ping-pong and television, i urge you to commit a crime in the vicinity of this prison. us well-rounded human beings realize that IT'S STILL A PRISON.

Nobody is saying it isn't.

don't be obtuse.

Originally posted by Ana P
I was using that as an example.

There are some people who can't (or don't want to) get accustomed to life outside of prison because they are so use to that type of life on the inside. This prison having all of these great things isn't helping the fact the some people actually enjoy themselves while locked up. This is usually a result of from being in and out of jail for years.

Wait, think about what you're saying, you fool.

If you love it in there, where is the logic in carrying out a crime that you know will let you out? Where is the logic in being on good behaviour, having good reviews and having good reports if you wish to stay? Besides that, WHY is it a problem is criminals want to stay in prison? Surely that's the point.

You're suggesting that nice prisons make criminals want to be kept there more. Well...would it be just me who thinks this isn't a problem? I don't care what prisoners do while they're in prison, as long as they are there deservingly.

Nobody's saying prisons should be nice, but surely how well a prison functions should be more of a concern than what it looks like.

The fact is, we don't live in the dark ages anymore. As everything around us gets better, so will prisons. Prisons haven't been torturous on the inside for a long time, you watch too many movies. "Prisoners have it all these days.", yeah? How would you know that? Been to one recently? If so, why complain? It's to your benefit. If not, zip the lip.

-AC

Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
Then that implies a flaw in the prison SYSTEM. It has nothing to do with the actual buildings.

If they're stuck in the place forever, why does it matter what they do in there?

-AC

But why should they have more fun then me?

Originally posted by Ana P
But I think you're taking this a little too personal. If you're looking for a fight I'm not the one to come to because you're just going to be talking to a brick wall if you continue. I have no interest in getting into E-Fights with people over the Internet. Especially not over some prison discussion.

No, you posted an opinion on a forum. As such, people will reply.

If you aren't keen on that, get a blog or something.

This is still a prison, which means people in there are leashed of freedoms everyone else enjoys.
Happiness does not equal a pool table or an x-box. Thats just retarded logic.

There is nothing ''fun'' about being institutionalised 24/7 for years on end.

Second, people go to prison for various crimes and reasons. To assume that everyone is a psychopatic killer from hell is very short sighted.
People kill and rob for different reasons, affected by their economic, social and peer envoroment, and it is not simple as ''my tax money is being spent on pool table in prison''

Your tax money is being spent for nuclear weapons and wars, and much more of it.

The problem with this is that we have no context at ALL.

We can see exterior shots of a prison and some inmates relaxing and playing table tennis inside. Fine. These things happen in even the most severe of prisons.

Then we have a load of shots of comfy looking interiors. But what are these? I don't even have any evidence that they are actually inside the prison, but that aside- we have no evidence what degree of prison this is; low-security prisons (some prisons are even open prisons, remember) are often relatively comfortable. But how many of those shots had inmates in? How many are staff areas? Visitor areas? Areas you only get to go to as a reward for good behaviour?

People also forget that luxuries are there to do more than just mollycoddle a prisoner. They are there to give even criminals a 'stake' in society. A prisoner's direct contact with society in a prison is the prison authorities. Many prisoners over tim have refused all engagement; content to just sit out their time until they get out, and then they STAY disengaged.

If they have some kind of stake, then they have something to lose if they don't play ball. And you will be surprised how effective this is- especially whern you remember that the majority of those in prison are not hardcore gang robbers, rapists and murderers. Once they get used to the idea that society has a value for them to be engaged in, that puts them in the right frame of mind for the probation service to subsequently help re-integrate them into society.

Originally posted by Ushgarak
The problem with this is that we have no context at ALL.

We can see exterior shots of a prison and some inmates relaxing and playing table tennis inise. Fine. These things happen in even the most severe of prisons.

Then we have a load of shots of comfy looking interiors. But what are these? I don't even have any evidence that they are actually inside the prison, but that aise- we have no evidence what degree of prison this is; low-security prisonss (some prisons are even open prisons, remember) are often relatively comfortable. But how many of those shots had inmates in? How many are staff areas? Visitor areas? Areas you only get to go to as a reward for good behaviour?

People also forget that luxuries are there to do more than just mollycoddle a prisoner. They are there to give even criminals a 'stake' in society. A prisoner's direct contact with society in a prison is the prison authorities. Many prisoners over tim have refused all engagement; content to just sit out their time until they get out, and then they STAY disengaged.

If they have some kind of stake, then they have something to lose if they don't play ball. And you will be surprised how effective this is- especially whern you remember that the majority of those in prison are not hardcore gang robbers, rapists and murderers. Once they get used to the idea that society has a value for them to be engaged in, that puts them in the right frame of mind for the probation service to subsequently help re-integrate them into society.

To add to that, the sign say State Court Leoben...which makes it quite likely that the first seven pics aren't even of the prison.

Well, that sure as hell puts the shaft on THIS thread, hmm?

We see nonsense pics used in totally inaccurate contexts all the time on the web.

Originally posted by Ushgarak
The problem with this is that we have no context at ALL.

We can see exterior shots of a prison and some inmates relaxing and playing table tennis inside. Fine. These things happen in even the most severe of prisons.

Then we have a load of shots of comfy looking interiors. But what are these? I don't even have any evidence that they are actually inside the prison, but that aside- we have no evidence what degree of prison this is; low-security prisons (some prisons are even open prisons, remember) are often relatively comfortable. But how many of those shots had inmates in? How many are staff areas? Visitor areas? Areas you only get to go to as a reward for good behaviour?

People also forget that luxuries are there to do more than just mollycoddle a prisoner. They are there to give even criminals a 'stake' in society. A prisoner's direct contact with society in a prison is the prison authorities. Many prisoners over tim have refused all engagement; content to just sit out their time until they get out, and then they STAY disengaged.

If they have some kind of stake, then they have something to lose if they don't play ball. And you will be surprised how effective this is- especially whern you remember that the majority of those in prison are not hardcore gang robbers, rapists and murderers. Once they get used to the idea that society has a value for them to be engaged in, that puts them in the right frame of mind for the probation service to subsequently help re-integrate them into society.

pray

I wanna go to Prison so I can get raped droolio

Originally posted by lil bitchiness
This is still a prison, which means people in there are leashed of freedoms everyone else enjoys.
Happiness does not equal a pool table or an x-box. Thats just retarded logic.

There is nothing ''fun'' about being institutionalised 24/7 for years on end.

Second, people go to prison for various crimes and reasons. To assume that everyone is a psychopatic killer from hell is very short sighted.
People kill and rob for different reasons, affected by their economic, social and peer envoroment, and it is not simple as ''my tax money is being spent on pool table in prison''

Your tax money is being spent for nuclear weapons and wars, and much more of it.

I agree but let's be honest; few people are sociopaths who do not enjoy random tidbits of videogame action.

You are talking more about happiness which is different from fun. Will that stuff make them happy? No. All people in a jail don't have equal crimes, aren't of the same IQ, and so on.

It's not a universal thing, but I certainly think this jail is over the top since I, while having my "freedom", am not at the point where I can attain most of the things, from a financial standpoint, that I see in those pictures.

Originally posted by Ushgarak

If they have some kind of stake, then they have something to lose if they don't play ball. And you will be surprised how effective this is- especially whern you remember that the majority of those in prison are not hardcore gang robbers, rapists and murderers. Once they get used to the idea that society has a value for them to be engaged in, that puts them in the right frame of mind for the probation service to subsequently help re-integrate them into society.

Ohhh, the incentive argument. I agree with this the most of any other argument when it comes to jails, but it has a few flaws since it can also just make people more violent and like children since they don't get their way. Certainly the best way to look at this I believe though.

Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
How about we keep in mind that it's still a prison? Would that be ok? I'd live in a shitty apartment with all the freedoms of...well...freedom, than in a really nice prison for multiple years, possibly for good.

Would you choose that prison over a shitty apartment? No, don't act like you would.

-AC

I would choose the structure and look of the building. Which was the point of my post. The state gives prisoners this kind of buildings for them, when instead it should be given to the people who pay taxes and provide the commonwealth for the state.

Originally posted by BackFire
But why should they have more fun then me?

Next to Ush post this one is really good.

Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
Wait, think about what you're saying, you fool.

If you love it in there, where is the logic in carrying out a crime that you know will let you out? Where is the logic in being on good behaviour, having good reviews and having good reports if you wish to stay? Besides that, WHY is it a problem is criminals want to stay in prison? Surely that's the point.

Don't ask me, I'm not the career criminal.

But the problem is that people don't want to get out there and work. So they look for the easy way out of things.



Well so people want "Justice"

Not the guy who killed their loved one livin' it up in prison. Even if it is still a prison some people don't like the fact that people are actually enjoying things that some people on the outside get to enjoy on a daily basis.



Both should be taken into consideration.



What the hell are you talking about?

I never said prisons had to be torturous.



A lot of them do.

Originally posted by Victor Von Doom
No, you posted an opinion on a forum. As such, people will reply.

If you aren't keen on that, get a blog or something.

I don't post here to be insulted because of my opinion.

You're basically saying you can't have a civilized conversation with attacking someone in some form or fashion.

Originally posted by lil bitchiness
This is still a prison, which means people in there are leashed of freedoms everyone else enjoys.

This prison (and others) thinks otherwise



I didn't say they all were happy.



Yeah, lets avoid the fact that they have a crap load of things to keep them busy.



For the hundred thousand time I'm not saying everyone in prison is a psychopathic killer.



WTF

I never said anything about Tax Money



This is irrelevant.

Originally posted by Ushgarak
The problem with this is that we have no context at ALL.

We can see exterior shots of a prison and some inmates relaxing and playing table tennis inside. Fine. These things happen in even the most severe of prisons.

Then we have a load of shots of comfy looking interiors. But what are these? I don't even have any evidence that they are actually inside the prison,

Video of The Prison Being Built

http://www.big.at/NR/rdonlyres/1B87B6D9-E39C-47AC-82A7-246AE5B0794C/0/IntroStatementsKunstBau.wmv

but that aside- we have no evidence what degree of prison this is; low-security prisons (some prisons are even open prisons, remember) are often relatively comfortable. But how many of those shots had inmates in? How many are staff areas? Visitor areas? Areas you only get to go to as a reward for good behaviour?

I don't have a map of the building so I couldn't tell you.



I think there is a limit.

There's some and theres too much. This is a little too much imo.



It's not that easy for some people to change. A lot of people get out and start back doing crimes. Them being in there doesn't mean life is going to be all good when they get out. That's not always the case.

Originally posted by WrathfulDwarf
I would choose the structure and look of the building. Which was the point of my post. The state gives prisoners this kind of buildings for them, when instead it should be given to the people who pay taxes and provide the commonwealth for the state.

Why should it? You mean as opposed to prisoners having it, I assume.

Originally posted by Ana P
But the problem is that people don't want to get out there and work. So they look for the easy way out of things.

That's just something you made up, though.

Originally posted by Ana P
Well so people want "Justice"

Not the guy who killed their loved one livin' it up in prison. Even if it is still a prison some people don't like the fact that people are actually enjoying things that some people on the outside get to enjoy on a daily basis.

Tough luck. Justice is the person being locked away and never getting out, once that is achieved, what they get up to should be none of your business. The aim is to deprive them of their freedom and take them out of society.

What "some people" don't like is of no concern to me. "Some people" would like every prison to be like Auschwitz, but they won't get what they want.

Originally posted by Ana P
Both should be taken into consideration.

No. One should, the other WILL be. If there is a choice, it should be the prison's functionality that is of the utmost importance. Not what they do in there.

Originally posted by Ana P
What the hell are you talking about?

I never said prisons had to be torturous.

My point was that prisons will get better as does everything else. That's just the way of the world.

Originally posted by Ana P
A lot of them do.

I will repeat: How would you know that? Been to one recently? If so, why complain? It's to your benefit. If not, zip the lip.

Your replies to me and to others prove nothing more than you not having a clue what you're on about.

-AC

as long as people are bringing up taxes (i'm sure i remember SOMEONE bringing up taxes), the cost of a shitty wall mount tv and a playstation one, even per cell, is bleeding miniscule in the scheme of things.

Originally posted by Ana P
A lot of them do.
''a lot of them do'' is a statement which is supported by what exactly? Do you have statistics? Did you count them yourself?
Originally posted by Ana P
For the hundred thousand time I'm not saying everyone in prison is a psychopathic killer.
No, but you are very clearly implying it.
Originally posted by Ana P
I never said anything about Tax Money
Other people in the thread were. That reply was for them.
Originally posted by Ana P
It's not that easy for some people to change. A lot of people get out and start back doing crimes. Them being in there doesn't mean life is going to be all good when they get out. That's not always the case.
So your logic is telling you, that by treating criminals like animals, they will stop doing crime.
People offend for different reasons, and due to different surroundings and situations. Its not exactly straight forward, is it?

Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
That's just something you made up, though.

No it's not.

People commit crimes for many reasons. People rob banks because they want money. They don't want to live poor. Some people rob stores because they need to feed their families. Some people go to a life of crime because they can't get a job like everybody else.

Did I just make that up? No.

That's fact.



The keyword here is freedom.

And these guys look like they have a lot of it.



It doesn't matter if it's no concern to you. It's what they want rather they get it or not.



So basically, you don't care rather the prison is a shit hole or if it's a fun house?



I'm not saying they shouldn't or won't. Prison will get better but there is a right and wrong way of going about it.



No I have not been to one and you don't need to have been to one to know that. Some prisons give more freedom then others.



Well stop talking and go do something else with yourself.

I'm clearly a waste a time.

Originally posted by lil bitchiness
''a lot of them do'' is a statement which is supported by what exactly? Do you have statistics? Did you count them yourself?

No, mind counting them for me?



No, I'm not.

You can think whatever you want. I know I know what I meant.



No, that's not what I'm saying.

Point out where I said they should be treated like animals.

I saying there should be a limit to how prisoners should be presented with these types of things. This prison seems a little over the top in my opinion.

First of all, a vid of it being built makes NO difference to the fact that half the pics you posted are of the courthouse, not the jail, and hencer you were misleadign from the start.

Secondly, giving people a stake is not QUITE the same thing as incentives (i.e. be good and you get a day out); the psychology behind it is a little different.

Thirdly, they DON'T have more fun than you. Just not so. You don't need to have a stake in society to partake in leisure; it is yours to buy by default.

Fourthly, to answer your comments:


"I think there is a limit.

There's some and theres too much. This is a little too much imo."


What... sofas and table tennis tables? Weirdo. To repeat, many of your pics are of the courthouse.

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"It's not that easy for some people to change"


Some, yes. The kind of people who would not be in a low security open prison, for eample.

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"A lot of people get out and start back doing crimes. "


When not handled correctly, almost always. When handled correctly, that proportion dropss dramatically

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"Them being in there doesn't mean life is going to be all good when they get out. That's not always the case."


That's an irrelevant statement.




You are clearly just commenting with no experience at all based on a load of inaccurate pictures and no understanding of the wider nature of the situatiion. Not sensible.

Originally posted by Ana P
No it's not.

People commit crimes for many reasons. People rob banks because they want money. They don't want to live poor. Some people rob stores because they need to feed their families. Some people go to a life of crime because they can't get a job like everybody else.

Did I just make that up? No.

That's fact.

Right, so what are you trying to prove in saying that? They want to stay in prison, so isn't that a good thing?

Originally posted by Ana P
The keyword here is freedom.

And these guys look like they have a lot of it.

They have freedom in prison? Are you genuinely willing to pursue this current line of thinking?

They have luxuries, not freedom.

Originally posted by Ana P
It doesn't matter if it's no concern to you. It's what they want rather they get it or not.

It's not up to them. If they want justice, they should want them to be locked away for good. Nobody is saying they have to be happy with how the conditions are, but they have no say in it.

Originally posted by Ana P
So basically, you don't care rather the prison is a shit hole or if it's a fun house?

Not at all. If a criminal goes there and never comes out, I don't care. If someone is taken away from their family, their freedom and their lifestyle, you honestly believe that a lush prison will be preferred? You're an idiot.

Originally posted by Ana P
I'm not saying they shouldn't or won't. Prison will get better but there is a right and wrong way of going about it.

Why is there? If they're kept there for good, or for their full time, why does it matter? Just because there are luxuries, it doesn't mean the guards or people view them as great folks.

Originally posted by Ana P
No I have not been to one and you don't need to have been to one to know that. Some prisons give more freedom then others.

Prisons do not give freedom, they take it away. The very fact that some are more "luxurious" than others does not change this.

Oh, and you haven't been to one, so you don't know.

-AC

Originally posted by Ana P

I don't post here to be insulted because of my opinion.

You're basically saying you can't have a civilized conversation with attacking someone in some form or fashion.


If you think your opinion cannot be debunked without it in somehow insulting your very being, I despair for you.

Also, you just made the second line up, didn't you? It's not relevant to anything I said.

Closing by request.