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Insane Genis has become bored with fighting everyone in marvel. And he's tired of arguing with Rick....

Amidst an argument he's having with Rick he finds a tear in the fabric of reality. He decides to go through it, only to find himself on apocalipse. He wants to have some fun so he starts slaughtering parademons.

When there are no parademons left... darkseid comes to fight Genis





Who wins?

Such spite, poor genis dies.

Genis is cool. I give him mad props as a character. But he is soooooooooo screwed here it's not even funny..........

How so? He stood up to King Thor pretty well...

Originally posted by Rick/Genis
Insane Genis has become bored with fighting everyone in marvel. And he's tired of arguing with Rick....

Amidst an argument he's having with Rick he finds a tear in the fabric of reality. He decides to go through it, only to find himself on apocalipse. He wants to have some fun so he starts slaughtering parademons.

When there are no parademons left... darkseid comes to fight Genis





Who wins?

Didn't IG defeat an M Body of Eternity?

Originally posted by TricksterPriest
Genis is cool. I give him mad props as a character. But he is soooooooooo screwed here it's not even funny..........
how is he screwed?

How is he screwed, he owned King Thor, this isn't that much of a stretch.

Originally posted by King Kandy
How is he screwed, he owned King Thor No he didn't.


Genis stalemated KT at best:

http://img135.imageshack.us/my.php?image=captainmarveliv07p169pz.jpg
http://img148.imageshack.us/my.php?image=captainmarveliv07p174tu.jpg
http://img148.imageshack.us/my.php?image=captainmarveliv07p185wz.jpg
http://img148.imageshack.us/my.php?image=captainmarveliv07p194lu.jpg
http://img135.imageshack.us/my.php?image=captainmarveliv07p207lr.jpg
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http://img148.imageshack.us/my.php?image=captainmarveliv07p226fg.jpg

Genis shows King Thor the Past and the Future in one seamless flow,

with his Cosmic Awareness:



First Genis shows Thor the Past

http://img120.imageshack.us/img120/6716/g4kx4.th.jpg

http://img124.imageshack.us/img124/6081/g5cv2.th.jpg

http://img124.imageshack.us/img124/8451/g6ka1.th.jpg


Then Genis shows Thor the Future, had he made the wrong decision.

http://img296.imageshack.us/img296/4365/g7yz1.th.jpg

http://img267.imageshack.us/img267/9484/g8zr1.th.jpg


Even Rick thinks it's really happening but Genis is calmly standing in the middle,

http://img267.imageshack.us/img267/4794/g9sx2.th.jpg

http://img296.imageshack.us/img296/8382/g11jl5.th.jpg


Finally Thor lets go of Genis' Hand

http://img296.imageshack.us/img296/378/g12qt5.th.jpg


Thor saw the Past and the Future based on his decision,

he now Changes his decision and prevents that Future:

http://img339.imageshack.us/img339/976/g10om7.th.jpg


Genis' Cosmic Awareness rules, it spans the Omniverse.

King Thor is a puppy next to Genis yall.

King Thor himself realized this after this move,

that's nothing for Genis to accomplish.

Genis for the majority.

After Genis shows KT everything, King Thor at first wants to do battle,

Genis lets him now, Sturm and Drang were already a force to be reckoned with, were weaker than Odin, but,

http://img442.imageshack.us/img442/5684/cmim3.th.jpg
"Sturm and Drang have had Eons to Increase their Power"


if he fights them this happens:

http://img267.imageshack.us/img267/4794/g9sx2.th.jpg

http://img126.imageshack.us/img126/4721/cm1qa3.th.jpg

The Destruction of Asgard and Earth.




This would indicate that Sturm and Drang are pretty tough,

to be able to take on King Thor AND all of Asgard at the same time.



Well Genis literally blows Drang's brains out with One shot:

http://img117.imageshack.us/img117/8828/cm2dd8.th.jpg

I guess everyone has a different definition of ownage...

Originally posted by Validus
I guess everyone has a different definition of ownage...


I'll get webster's

Genis can definitely win this imo, but he didn't stalemate King Thor.
That's a gross exaggeration.

Of course he didn't stalemate Thor. He pwnZor'd Thor!!11!111

Originally posted by King Kandy
How is he screwed, he owned King Thor, this isn't that much of a stretch.


Against Darkseid? Are you nuts? Darkseid>>>>>>>>>>>>>>King Thor. He's the most powerful skyfather in comics, he may even be on another level above skyfathers. Genis is not beating Darkseid.

LOL at this shit.

I love how all this hyperbole boosts Darkseid, but it doesn't translate into comics at all.

Even before his superman thrashings.

Most powerful skyfather in comics?!

Not by a longshot.

Name another skyfather who kills pantheons of gods, is so powerful that 5 skyfathers had to combine to stop him, who's so powerful the whole universe collapses without him, etc, etc, etc. All on-panel.

Role DOES NOT EQUAL POWER.

And the killing of the pantheons of gods, happened in the GDS, which was retconned and actually didn't happen.

And the five skyfathers< Superman.

GDS wasn't retconned. The Levitz Legion is still running wild!

.............Fool.

Darkseid's power is such a presence in the universe that time itself collapses without its presence:



http://img463.imageshack.us/my.php?image=legion29022fc.jpg

http://img494.imageshack.us/my.php?image=legion29032ls.jpg

http://img394.imageshack.us/my.php?image=legion29105ko.jpg

http://img367.imageshack.us/my.php?image=legion29134ft.jpg

To take away confusion as to whether or not this is a feat denoting power, Darkseid's power level is stated as the reason for why this occured. Next page is also included for the plan:



http://img394.imageshack.us/my.php?image=legion29079yu.jpg

http://img394.imageshack.us/my.php?image=legion29087ta.jpg


There will be more.

Those links aren't working for me.

fixed.

Originally posted by TricksterPriest
Against Darkseid? Are you nuts? Darkseid>>>>>>>>>>>>>>King Thor. He's the most powerful skyfather in comics, he may even be on another level above skyfathers. Genis is not beating Darkseid.

buahahaha you are the most idiot fanboy of this board!!!

Genis erased an entire Multiverse with the help of Entropy.

Originally posted by Mr Master
Genis erased an entire Multiverse with the help of Entropy. Your under the assumption that Genis had to have erased a big portion of the Multiverse, when the fact is...... We don't know how much he helped erase.

It could have been a lot, it could have been a little... Who knows? srug



However,

I do think Genis takes this, but not because of that "feat".

It Depends. If Genis Goes to Apok Under his own power, He would be a speck. You all realize that Most any of the New Gods can destroy the Universe or universes as thier universe is actually a super set over the DCU. This would explain why when DS and Highfather fought, they shook the cosmos. True form DS, which is what Genis would be facing, would erase him with ease.

Originally posted by Mr Master
Genis erased an entire Multiverse with the help of Entropy.

People who are saying Darkseid 10/10 are over lookin Genis imo.

as Digi pointed out, he hasn't done much at all. his two biggest feats (king thor and the entropy incident) are effectively worthless, as the king thor thing is hardly a feat at all, and the entropy incident involved...well, entropy.

Originally posted by manorastroman
as Digi pointed out, he hasn't done much at all. his two biggest feats (king thor and the entropy incident) are effectively worthless, as the king thor thing is hardly a feat at all, and the entropy incident involved...well, entropy.
Insane Genis is the same as Genis..the only diffrence is their mental state of mind..its not Captain Marvel had a "upgrade" in power to become Insane.

Originally posted by Priest
People who are saying Darkseid 10/10 are over lookin Genis imo. Cosmic Awareness would be his biggest advantage IMO.

Originally posted by Galan007
Your under the assumption that Genis had to have erased a big portion of the Multiverse, when the fact is...... We don't know how much he helped erase.

That's the assumption I got from the On Panel events.

Originally posted by Galan007
It could have been a lot, it could have been a little... Who knows?

(IMO) according to what I read and saw,

Genis destroyed Half the Multiverse,

and that's me giving Entropy the benefit of the doubt.



After all Genis claimed it was HE who crushed Eternity,

while Entropy just helped "Bound" Eternity:

http://img340.imageshack.us/img340/6278/g2zm0.th.jpg
"right before I (Genis) crushed him ... like this"


Regradless of whether Eternity accepted his fate or not is inconsequential,

they still destroyed the 616 Multiverse, the ultimate Multiverse in Marvel.

Originally posted by Galan007
However,

I do think Genis takes this, but not because of that "feat".

meh, I never had an opinion.

I don't know enough about Darkseid,

I just lay out what I know.

Originally posted by Priest
Insane Genis is the same as Genis..the only diffrence is their mental state of mind..its not Captain Marvel had a "upgrade" in power to become Insane.

I alot of people don't realize that,

nice input Priest.


Like Genis showing off with,

Omniversal Awareness.

http://img118.imageshack.us/img118/7425/geniscb3.th.jpg

Originally posted by Mr Master
meh, I never had an opinion.

I don't know enough about Darkseid,

I just lay out what I know. Cool.

Well if this battle gave DS the home-field advantage, he might be able to defeat Genis, because this would enable DS to use his "true" form.


But assuming this is went to a neutral battlefield, Genis should take this, (with Cosmic Awareness being the deciding factor IMO)

Originally posted by Mr Master
I alot of people don't realize that,

nice input Priest.


Like Genis showing off with,

Omniversal Awareness.

http://img118.imageshack.us/img118/7425/geniscb3.th.jpg
Genis is the man.

Originally posted by Priest

Genis is the man.
Too bad that he is dead.haermm

i'm not sure what his cosmic awareness is supposed to detect that would help him against darkseid.

Originally posted by Galan007
Cool.

Well if this battle gave DS the home-field advantage, he might be able to defeat Genis, because this would enable DS to use his "true" form.


But assuming this is went to a neutral battlefield, Genis should take this, (with Cosmic Awareness being the deciding factor IMO)

Let me put it this way. Genis is currently ranked mid tier Herald on the tier listing.

Darkseid's not on the list. He's too high for it. And DS is ludicrously more powerful than Genis. Plus, how the hell is Genis beating the OE?

Originally posted by Estacado
Too bad that he is dead.haermm
if he wants he can always revive himself.

Originally posted by Priest
if he wants he can always revive himself.
Except not.

Originally posted by TricksterPriest
Plus, how the hell is Genis beating the OE?
They didn't work on Galactus, they won't work on Genis.

Originally posted by King Kandy
They didn't work on Galactus. That pile of shit = Non-canon.

Even if it was canon, why would the OE not working on Galactus mean anything in relation to Genis?

"Wonder Woman can't beat Superman so she clearly doesn't stand a chance against Nightwing!"

Originally posted by Mr Master
That's the assumption I got from the On Panel events.



(IMO) according to what I read and saw,

Genis destroyed Half the Multiverse,

and that's me giving Entropy the benefit of the doubt.



After all Genis claimed it was HE who crushed Eternity,

while Entropy just helped "Bound" Eternity:

http://img340.imageshack.us/img340/6278/g2zm0.th.jpg
"right before I (Genis) crushed him ... like this"


Regradless of whether Eternity accepted his fate or not is inconsequential,

they still destroyed the 616 Multiverse, the ultimate Multiverse in Marvel. You get multiverse from the front pages of the book... right?
But nowhere on-panel in the entire book?

I was always under the impression that the OE didn't work on Galactus since Galactus existed before the Big Bang, and thus couldn't be erased from time/existence by the OE, which was bound by the limitations of the current universe.

Originally posted by Endless Mike
I was always under the impression that the OE didn't work on Galactus since Galactus existed before the Big Bang, and thus couldn't be erased from time/existence by the OE, which was bound by the limitations of the current universe. Well that and heat vision.

Originally posted by WorldWarHulk
You get multiverse from the front pages of the book... right?

But nowhere on-panel in the entire book?

On Panel verification:


http://img185.imageshack.us/img185/791/g4kb1.th.jpg
"I (Genis) could have let you faced Oblivion with the rest of the Microverse"


The Microverse is within a Universe completely separated from the 616 Universe.

If Genis destroyed the Microverse when they destroyed Eternity,

then it was ALL of Eternity (the Multiverse), not just one of his Aspects (Single Universes).

Originally posted by Mr Master
On Panel verification:


http://img185.imageshack.us/img185/791/g4kb1.th.jpg
"I (Genis) could have let you faced Oblivion with the rest of the Microverse"


The Microverse is within a Universe completely separated from the 616 Universe.

If Genis destroyed the Microverse when they destroyed Eternity,

then it was ALL of Eternity (the Multiverse), not just one of his Aspects (Single Universes). Seems weird how he would just mention Microverse, and not multiverse, or universe...

But meh, don't feel like argueing for pages.

Originally posted by WorldWarHulk
But meh, don't feel like argueing for pages.
But it's always so entertaining to watch...

Originally posted by WorldWarHulk
Seems weird how he would just mention Microverse,

and not multiverse,

Backside Front Page:


"ENTROPY is the Son of,

Eternity, the Cosmic Being whose Essence Encompasses the ENTIRETY of the MULTIVERSE ...

Entropy has enlisted Captain Marvel in a Quest to Destroy His Father,

... Eternity and End All Creation"

http://img294.imageshack.us/img294/1967/cm1ls8.th.jpg


Originally posted by WorldWarHulk
or universe...

Epiphany:


"Can't you see he's blaiming himself for failing to kill you and save the Universe?"


Captain Marvel:


"think of all the times you saved the Universe"

"Truth is. the Universe was living on borrowed time"

"the truth is, the Universe did END with a whimper,

Eternity didn't want to keep going"

http://img407.imageshack.us/img407/3217/cm2cj1.th.jpg


Originally posted by WorldWarHulk
But meh, don't feel like argueing for pages.

There's nothing to argue.

Genis and Entorpy destroyed and recreated All of Eternity, the Multiverse.

This is the nail in the coffin:
Originally posted by Mr Master
On Panel verification:


http://img185.imageshack.us/img185/791/g4kb1.th.jpg
"I (Genis) could have let you faced Oblivion with the rest of the Microverse"


The Microverse is within a Universe completely separated from the 616 Universe.

If Genis destroyed the Microverse when they destroyed Eternity,

then it was ALL of Eternity (the Multiverse), not just one of his Aspects (Single Universes).

swank

Man, some people really need the last word.

Originally posted by Mr Master
On Panel verification:


http://img185.imageshack.us/img185/791/g4kb1.th.jpg
"I (Genis) could have let you faced Oblivion with the rest of the Microverse"


The Microverse is within a Universe completely separated from the 616 Universe.

If Genis destroyed the Microverse when they destroyed Eternity,

then it was ALL of Eternity (the Multiverse), not just one of his Aspects (Single Universes). Kind of ambiguous, however as far as that panel is concerned, as the microverse seems to be just a different dimension offshoot of the actual universe.
Similarly, Darkseid, his planet, and New Genesis, all exist in a whole different dimension, but when the "universe" is in danger, so is theirs.
Ambiguous depictions like this would open a whole new can of worms regarding multiversal conquerors and feats, in both companies, imo.

Originally posted by Validus
Man, some people really need the last word.

Originally posted by Mr Master
Backside Front Page:


"ENTROPY is the Son of,

Eternity, the Cosmic Being whose Essence Encompasses the ENTIRETY of the MULTIVERSE ...

Entropy has enlisted Captain Marvel in a Quest to Destroy His Father,

... Eternity and End All Creation"

http://img294.imageshack.us/img294/1967/cm1ls8.th.jpg And that is what I was talking about, when I first responded to your post.

How can you possibly use this piece of evidence to support your whole debate?
Yes, yes, you showed another scan, but now a page talking about something (not even really relevent to the story either), goes against the long history of Eternity?
I don't get it...

I'm not going to answer the next part, because...
What's the point?
I know you're not going to concede, and I'm not following the evidence put up, so, f*ck it.
If every sentence has to be turned into a 30 page debate, then I'm not even going to start.

Originally posted by Juntai
Kind of ambiguous, however as far as that panel is concerned, as the microverse seems to be just a different dimension offshoot of the actual universe.
Similarly, Darkseid, his planet, and New Genesis, all exist in a whole different dimension, but when the "universe" is in danger, so is theirs.
Ambiguous depictions like this would open a whole new can of worms regarding multiversal conquerors and feats, in both companies, imo. Btw, I'm not arguing the interpretation, just making a note.

Originally posted by Juntai
Kind of ambiguous, however as far as that panel is concerned, as the microverse seems to be just a different dimension offshoot of the actual universe.

Again,

the Microverse is completely Outside the 616 Universe.

The Microverse was Created by the Makers.

The Makers formed an enitre Universe,

by collectiing pocket Dimensions acrosss the Multiverse.

The Makers Remade this Whole Universe in their image.


Originally posted by Juntai
Similarly, Darkseid, his planet, and New Genesis, all exist in a whole different dimension, but when the "universe" is in danger, so is theirs.
Ambiguous depictions like this would open a whole new can of worms regarding multiversal conquerors and feats, in both companies, imo.

This has nothing to do with the Microverse.

Originally posted by TricksterPriest
Against Darkseid? Are you nuts? Darkseid>>>>>>>>>>>>>>King Thor. He's the most powerful skyfather in comics, he may even be on another level above skyfathers. Genis is not beating Darkseid.

Well this is pretty much bull.

Originally posted by WorldWarHulk
How can you possibly use this piece of evidence to support your whole debate?

It wasn't the support of my whole debate, but proceed.

The On Panel evidence speaks for itself.


Originally posted by WorldWarHulk
Yes, yes, you showed another scan, but now a page talking about something (not even really relevent to the story either), goes against the long history of Eternity?

That page is from that issue, what do you mean it's not relevant?


"Eternity's history?"

What goes against it?


Originally posted by WorldWarHulk
I don't get it...

I'm not going to answer the next part, because...
What's the point?
I know you're not going to concede,

Why should I concede to your proofless opinion?


Originally posted by WorldWarHulk
and I'm not following the evidence put up, so, f*ck it.

As you wish.


Originally posted by WorldWarHulk
If every sentence has to be turned into a 30 page debate, then I'm not even going to start.

I only remember replying once to you right now with On Panel evidence.

You're the one that keeps responding.

Originally posted by Mr Master
You're the one that keeps responding.
Nevermind then...

Originally posted by Juntai
Kind of ambiguous, however as far as that panel is concerned, as the microverse seems to be just a different dimension offshoot of the actual universe.

Originally posted by Juntai
Btw, I'm not arguing the interpretation, just making a note.

I'm sure you already heard me out Jun,

but let me add this for the record with On Panel evidence.



The MAKERS in ACTION


The MAKERS took a UNIVERSE and RE-CREATED it,

the Micro-verse (which they ALSO Created) is PART of this Universe.




"They have taken the FABRIC of the COSMOS, and WOVEN it ANEW"
http://img486.imageshack.us/img486/6002/m2sr6.th.jpg

http://img365.imageshack.us/img365/9350/m3qd4.th.jpg






The MAKERS brought SOULS from all the UNIVERSES of the MUTLI-VERSE

into this UNIVERSE they RE-CREATED,

to give it meaning.

http://img365.imageshack.us/img365/6442/m4wt8.th.jpg






More proof they RESHAPED a UNIVERSE, in their OWN Image,

and a section of that Universe was the ONE and ONLY MICRO-VERSE,

which the Makers created:

http://img167.imageshack.us/img167/2251/ma6yt6.th.jpg
"The Makers --- to have Reshaped this Universe"






"They looked on Life, & Consciousness and gave this Universe the gifts ..."
http://img395.imageshack.us/img395/7746/m5oi5.th.jpg





"They REAMDE the STARS, the PLANETS, the GALAXIES"
http://img209.imageshack.us/img209/8326/m6yk4.th.jpg

Darkseid.

Originally posted by WorldWarHulk
Darkseid.

I haven't decided yet.

I have a question though.


Can Darkseid perceive and assimilate the Past, Present and Future,

simultaneously across the entire DC Reality? (ALL of DC)

Originally posted by Mr Master
I haven't decided yet.

I have a question though.


Can Darkseid perceive and assimilate the Past, Present and Future,

simultaneously across the entire DC Reality? (ALL of DC) He has control over time... to what degree, I don't know.

You might want to ask retar... nvr though.

Originally posted by WorldWarHulk
He has control over time... to what degree, I don't know.

You might want to ask retar... nvr though.

i know DS has reality warping powers, but i never knew he can manipulate time.

Time is part of reality

Originally posted by Endless Mike
Time is part of reality
actually its not, if u wanna consider the infinity gems, i.e reality gem/time gem.
at any case has Darkseid ever manipulated time?

Originally posted by WorldWarHulk
He has control over time... to what degree, I don't know.

I just wanted to know, cause as you know

Genis' Awareness spans the Omniverse.

And he's extremely powerful too.

It's very difficult to battle someone who's a heavy hitter,

and can see your moves Years before you even think of making em.

Originally posted by WorldWarHulk
You might want to ask retar... nvr though.

That wouldn't help.

Photon had a power boost. Why do you use his feats to gauge insane Genis's Cosmic Awareness?

Originally posted by Mr Master
I just wanted to know, cause as you know

Genis' Awareness spans the Omniverse.

And he's extremely powerful too.

It's very difficult to battle someone who's a heavy hitter,

and can see your moves Years before you even think of making em. Don't know if that's entirely true though.
For insane Genis.

You don't get hit as many times as he has, only to find out you can see your moves before they happen.


Originally posted by Mr Master
That wouldn't help. Didn't think so...

Is it possible Rick will Psi-Fry Genis mid match?

Originally posted by King Kandy
Is it possible Rick will Psi-Fry Genis mid match? Not if he's fighting an evil murderous bastard who endangers their connection.

Originally posted by King Kandy
Photon had a power boost. Why do you use his feats to gauge insane Genis's Cosmic Awareness?

The resurrection of other life-forms including Humans,

The ability to blink the Universe in and out of existence like in HOM,
(though he never actually did it, but could have at any time)

Unravelling Space and Time,

these were the boosts he received after his resurrection.


His Cosmic Awareness was always there,

but when it expanded beyond the Universe,

with the help of Epiphany's treachery made him Insane.

I will take Darkseid for the win 8/10

Originally posted by Mr Master
I haven't decided yet.

I have a question though.


Can Darkseid perceive and assimilate the Past, Present and Future,

simultaneously across the entire DC Reality? (ALL of DC)

Yes, he can. DS has full time travel and temporal perception abilities. As evidenced during the rock of ages arc, along with numerous other times in his respect thread. He's nearly omniscient.

Originally posted by TricksterPriest
Yes, he can. DS has full time travel and temporal perception abilities. As evidenced during the rock of ages arc. I don't know if that particular arc is a good way to properly gauge Darkseid's own power.

Because almost everything which transpired during that story was a direct result of the Philosophers Stone (The Worlogog), being "destroyed".
Originally posted by TricksterPriest
He's nearly omniscient.
Omniscient:

1. having complete or unlimited knowledge, awareness, or understanding; perceiving all things.



Darkseid is badass...

But omniscient or even nearly omniscient, he is not.

In the respect thread, when the GDS Darkseid meets his younger self, his younger self immediately knows who he is, and sees the truth of his words by temporal perception.

http://img394.imageshack.us/my.php?image=legion29066pu.jpg

"The chronoscape whispered it's secrets to me as I tumbled to this place."

Maybe not omniscient, but temporal perception is well within his powers.

Originally posted by TricksterPriest
Maybe not omniscient, but temporal perception is well within his powers. Absolutely.

the only two characters in DC that have near omniscient are the spectre and the phantom stranger as they always say nothing is from them

Originally posted by manorastroman
i'm not sure what his cosmic awareness is supposed to detect that would help him against darkseid.

All I can figure is that Genis's cosmic awareness could allow him to see Darkseid's moves, before they happened.


IMO that would be Genis's only real advantage, (if it even worked out as such).

Bump?

Genis, easily.